help-development

[frail swan]

when a wither spawns with noai it freezes its spawning animation which happens to be on this frame

[grim ice]

so if im not wrong:

• neural networks whose outputs cannot determine the success of the neural network, but the end result does, needs a Time delayed neural network e.g: for rock paper scissors

[marble copper]

public class SpawnRelocation implements Listener {
@EventHandler
private void onPlayerJoinEvent(PlayerJoinEvent e) {
}

@EventHandler
private void onPlayerChangedWorldEvent(PlayerChangedWorldEvent e) {
}

[crude charm]

I kinda want ai tho so this doesn't work for me

[crude charm]

???????

[marble copper]

It changes my nbt

[crude charm]

use ```

[tender shard]

it shows as normal wither to me

[frail swan]

you could tick the wither yourself

dont use a summon command

[tender shard]

this is a NoAI wither

[frail swan]

it needs the spawning animation

[drowsy helm]

Why use nbt api? Pdc exists now

[crude charm]

Would pdc work for what I want? Changing entity size?

[marble copper]

My tag plugin is depend on nbt api

[tender shard]

no

PDC cannot access vanilla NBT tags

[crude charm]

Ah

[tender shard]

PDC can only access values inside the "BukkitValues" or "PublicBukkitValues" NBT tag

[crude charm]

I see

[drowsy helm]

Not talking about that

[marble copper]

If I use pdc will my tags work and also won't change my crate key nbt on restart?

[drowsy helm]

Nbt shouldnt change on restart

You are setting it wrong

[marble copper]

But my crate key doesn't work after restart

[drowsy helm]

Show your code

We cant tel by guessing

Where are you checking it

[marble copper]

I'm using golden crates

[drowsy helm]

Huh

What are you trying to do

Make a new key?

[crude charm]

What others? I can't find an entity it works for apart phantom? Slime and MagmaCube

[tender shard]

yeah that's all I found too

[crude charm]

Aight ill keep looking, I've known for a long time about slimes and magma cubes as they're slime mobs with diff sizes but phantom is interesting

[drowsy helm]

I think phantoms vary the tiniest bit in size

Hard to tell when they are barreling at you

[crude charm]

Ah I see, I wouldn't know, I've never played survival before nor beat the game

[drowsy helm]

Funny how most plugin devs dont even play the game

[grim ice]

so if im not wrong:

• neural networks whose outputs cannot determine the success of the neural network, but the end result does, needs a Time delayed neural network e.g: for rock paper scissors and tic tac toe

since the input will be the last player's game input, and the output will be the AI's choice, but how would it learn?

i also dont know whats a time delayed neural network i just heard it from someone

[drowsy helm]

I guess it would have to keep track of the opponents last choice and try and find an algorithm

Tic tac toe would be pretty hard I fee

[grim ice]

thats not what i asked for

[drowsy helm]

L

[grim ice]

im saying, how would it train

meaning, how would it know if what the AI did is bad

or good

[drowsy helm]

It wouldnt

Would have to train off of moves made until win or something

[crude charm]

you tell it

[grim ice]

i need it to know that the move it did

resulted in a loss

wait cant i just do smth like dis

if (game lost) {
nn.train(game player's choice, good choice that would result in win)
}

[glacial sphinx]

Can someone tell me how to open a written book in front of the player in 1.12.2 ?

[modern vigil]

Is there a good plugin for generating a template for a minecraft plugin with Kotlin?

An IntelliJ plugin

[glacial sphinx]

idk

[crude charm]

Just dont use Kotlin

[modern vigil]

Why not?

Why can't I use kotlin?

[crude charm]

You can use it if you really want but you'll have;

0 documentation relating to spigot (you'll have to convert all java code)
No way to efficiently make new projects
Every spigot dev will hate u as we all use java
There is no reason to as Java is amazing
No support here

[brave goblet]

u sure?

giant phantoms exist 💀

[brave goblet]

yup those

and some medium sized ones

[tardy delta]

anyone knows how i define a byte array in sql syntax?

[1, 2] doesnt seem to work

[agile anvil]

Have you tried [0x1, 0x2] ?

[shadow zinc]

How can I get the permission node for any command of any plugin?

I was thinking of using the CommandMap but then I realised than not all developers assign a permission to each command

And that doesn't include subcommands (to my knowledge)

[lost matrix]

There is no reliable way

[shadow zinc]

Luckperms does it pretty well, I checked their api and I couldn't find an implementation of it though

[tender shard]

luckperms simply gets all registered permissions, it doesn't map them to any commands/subcommands, does it?

[shadow zinc]

well it worked on my plugins and I didn't register any permissions

so some wizardry is going on

I think Luckperms listens for permission node queries and maps them

but that still raises the question of. 1. How do I implement that or 2. How can I recreate that?

[tender shard]

check out the me.lucko.luckperms.bukkit.inject package inside the bukkit module

especially the PermissibleInjector class

it basically replaces a player's PermissibleBase with the luckperms one

[shadow zinc]

hmm

[tender shard]

do you want to write your own permission plugin, or what do you need this for?

[shadow zinc]

Its really dumb, I want to override the tab completor to exclude all commands that a player doesn't have permission to use

[tender shard]

Then just register your command permissions properly

[shadow zinc]

its not for my plugins

[tender shard]

Ah ok

[shadow zinc]

some developers keep doing that shit and its so annoying

All of this seems like a lot for a simple task (getting a commands permission node)

But I guess the only way to do it is to listen for a query?

Is that why they override the default PermissibleBase?

[compact haven]

0 documentation relating to spigot (you'll have to convert all java code)
No way to efficiently make new projects
Every spigot dev will hate u as we all use java
There is no reason to as Java is amazing
No support here

mfw 1) you don't need kotlin documentation because it's completely interop
2) new projects in Kotlin can just be done with a IDEA template or similar (I just do it myself each time)
3) bullshit, not every spigot dev is blind
4) not really
5) lol ok mate

[frank kettle]

Hello. I been making plugins for years for fun but I've noticed that I've always done them in the same way in the past like 5 years(the management of the Main class, instance, how to create the commands, like people use some super(...) class that I've never touched for example) and with this I've always came across several different ways and how everyone does it different than me.

I believe my way of doing plugins are for smaller/simpler plugins but I'm now doing a project that is huge plugins and I don't want it to be bad managed because of my start.

So I'm here to ask if anyone has some written or video tutorial explaining how to exactly do a well created base for a plugin to work smoothly and with examples for commands.

Thank you for your time. 🙏

[compact haven]

anyone who knows kotlin, or any java dev who can decipher a method call which is incredibly similar to their own language can support here

it's not like kotlin is banned in help-development

[shadow zinc]

🙏

[tardy delta]

you might want to use some framework to handle stuff like commands and avoid the boilerplate code you usually come across

[frank kettle]

I want to learn more about it tho, do you know of any tutorial explaining across it or thread on spigot explaining it?

[tardy delta]

uhh i dont know any specific threads or something but you might just want to google "spigot commandframeworks" or smth

[agile anvil]

Yeah and feel free to have a look at known plugins sources, you'll learn some new ways of programming

[tardy delta]

^^

[frank kettle]

That's where I noticed this different ways but I was looking for something explaining what each part does and what is needed, etc

[tardy delta]

the best way to start writing a solid plugin is by writing code and improving it, writing new code, etc..

[frank kettle]

it's been so many years so I thought there was some good tutorials out there explaining those frameworks

[shadow zinc]

you could always make your own framework, that way you would have a proper understanding of how it works

That takes some time though

[quiet ice]

Kotlin devs recieve support here - however since most people do not know kotlin they may not be as good at finding issues.

[azure hawk]

why is this not sending aniything/playing sound

[crude charm]

Thats what I mean

[frank kettle]

where to start from tho :kek: never done a framework

[tardy delta]

abstract your onCommand method away

[agile anvil]

If you've never played with interface and abstract stuff, have a look at it, there are bunch to do with these!

[flint coyote]

it will only send it to players not running the command (or whatever it is)

[crude charm]

I was originally checking for it with

if (args.lenth == 0)

and only added the try catch not for testing if that fixes it but I'm still getting an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException

public class UpdateGamemode {

//    public GameMode gameMode;
//    public boolean requireClearInventory;
//    public String[] commandArgs;
//    public Player player;
//    public Player target;

    public UpdateGamemode(GameMode gameMode, boolean requireClearInventory, String[] args, Player player, Player target) {

        try {

            if (target == null) {
                player.sendMessage(CC.RED + "That player is not online");
                return;
            }

            if (player.getGameMode() == gameMode) {
                player.sendMessage(CC.RED + "You are already in " + gameMode.toString().toLowerCase() + " mode!");
                return;
            }


            if (requireClearInventory) {
                if (!player.getInventory().isEmpty()) {
                    player.sendMessage(CC.RED + "Your inventory must be clear to enter" + gameMode.toString().toLowerCase() + " mode!");
                    return;
                }

                if (!target.getInventory().isEmpty()) {
                    player.sendMessage(CC.RED + target.getName() + "'s inventory is not empty so they can not be changed into" + gameMode.toString().toLowerCase() + "mode!");
                    return;
                }
            }


            if (args.length == 1) {
                target.setGameMode(gameMode);
                target.sendMessage(CC.GREEN + "Your gamemode has been updated to " + target.getGameMode() + " by " + player.getName());

                Bukkit.broadcast(Survival.STAFF_PREFIX + CC.GREEN + " " + target.getName() +
                        "'s gamemode has been set to " + gameMode.toString().toLowerCase()
                        + " by " + player.getName(), "survival.staff");
                return;
            }


        } catch (ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException e) {
            player.setGameMode(gameMode);

            player.sendMessage(CC.GREEN + "Your gamemode has been set to " + player.getGameMode().toString().toLowerCase());

            Bukkit.broadcast(Survival.STAFF_PREFIX + CC.GREEN + " " + player.getName() +
                    "has set their gamemode to " + gameMode.toString().toLowerCase(), "survival.staff");
        } 
    }

[tardy delta]

} catch (ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException e) {

[crude charm]

?

[tardy delta]

lets just check the args length

[quasi flint]

i just, hate its bytecode

its

ourgh

[crude charm]

?

[agile anvil]

Can you please show where you execute UpdateGamemode method? Btw catching exceptions instead of doing a check is awful

[tardy delta]

not as worse as catching nullpointers

[agile anvil]

noobpointer catching

[crude charm]

I said in my message;

I was originally checking for it with

if (args.lenth == 0)

and only added the try catch not for testing if that fixes it but I'm still getting an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException

I dont see why you're making such a big deal out of something that isn't an issue

[azure hawk]

yeah ik

but my friend doesnt hear the sound

[agile anvil]

Yeah, but I mean I'm sure the exception is thrown before the updategamemode method

[azure hawk]

and if he does it i dont hear it to

and no we dont have some sound settings disabled

[chrome beacon]

Are they close to you

[azure hawk]

no

[chrome beacon]

That's the issue

[agile anvil]

if you UpdateGamemode(args[0],...) and your array is empty, even if you catch the exception in the updategamemode, you'll get the exception

You have to catch the exception before

it's because args[0] is called before the updategamemode

[crude charm]

Here it is the code without the try catch that I only had for debuging;

https://hastebin.com/oqawiyanez.swift

which still give an error

[agile anvil]

I don't need the method, I need the area where you call the method

Well the constructor actually (strange)

[crude charm]

public class GamemodeAdventureCommand implements CommandExecutor {
    @Override
    public boolean onCommand(CommandSender sender, Command command, String s, String[] args) {

        new UpdateGamemode(GameMode.ADVENTURE, true, args, (Player) sender, Bukkit.getPlayerExact(args[0]));
        return true;
    }
}

[tardy delta]

:/

[quasi flint]

wtf

[agile anvil]

You see that args[0] ?

That's the problem

[azure hawk]

I dont see why lol @chrome beacon

[quasi flint]

i smell indexoutofbounds

well

[crude charm]

?

[quasi flint]

u pass a method

smth maybe non existant

which

java doesn’t particularly like

[crude charm]

So I should pass the code through a method and get the values in a constructor?

[agile anvil]

Few advice:

• move your UpdateGamemode constructor directly into the command method
• check the args length before all of that
• check the player exists
• sender is not always a player

[tardy delta]

i see a lot of weird things as _Rolyn stated, thats all

[crude charm]

I appreciate the advice but;

I check if the target exists
I get sender is not always a player but its whatever if it gets sent from console, idc it's for me and me only
I do check args length first if u look at the code
Moving all that code would mean I have duplicate code in 4 classes for the same thing just different gamemodes

[tardy delta]

sqlite is weird bruh

[agile anvil]

You run args[0] before checking the length

[tardy delta]

comparing two equal byte arrays and sometimes it matches and sometimes not

🤔

[agile anvil]

don't lie to me ^^

[eternal night]

throw away objects are not good

[chrome beacon]

You're playing the sound at the your location

[tardy delta]

but i think its finally working

[eternal night]

that thing has no reason to be an object

[chrome beacon]

Your friend is too far away to hear it

[eternal night]

make it a method

[tardy delta]

a constructor shouldnt be handling a command 👀

[agile anvil]

And if it's duplication then fine for not moving it, just use static method instead (cause you're creating objects

[tardy delta]

also why the CC.GREEN instead of ChatColor.GREEN?

[crude charm]

Thats a question I had before that noone answered, thanks ill do that now and pass the vars with a constructor

[quasi flint]

Maybe custom RGB

[eternal night]

no

don't pass the vars with a constructor

[azure hawk]

oh thanks

your right

[eternal night]

pass them all to a method

[crude charm]

Ok

[eternal night]

creating an object just to directly throw it away again makes no sense

[quasi flint]

Why constructor

Why not directly to method

[crude charm]

Forgot, typed without thinking

[quasi flint]

Just

Wasting memory

[tardy delta]

what about brain memory 🧠

[agile anvil]

check the length here, this is were you're calling args[0] before checking length

[quasi flint]

And when u checked there

[agile anvil]

and this is where the error should bring you actually

[quasi flint]

U can just delete the check in the updateGamemoee method

As your check already ran

[tardy delta]

[agile anvil]

I think you had to actually check args == 1 in your updategamemode method.
Cause you'll have /gamemode <arg0: playername> [arg 1 optional: gamemode]

[quasi flint]

Oh yea

Brainfart

[eternal oxide]

Thats annoying and bannable

[quasi flint]

Who tf is making all these reactions

[brave goblet]

there is no rule against it

[eternal oxide]

There is

[brave goblet]

oh?

[quasi flint]

stop it

[brave goblet]

alrighty

am done

[tardy delta]

/ban 728562222162247760 3D emoji spam

[quasi flint]

Ah yes

[brave goblet]

/ban 583252968497872900 no

[quasi flint]

The undercover mod

[brave goblet]

I read through the rules where does it say no emoji spam as reactions? or in general

[tardy delta]

cafebabe doesnt know yet

[quasi flint]

@undone axle wake up

XD

[tardy delta]

not on every fking message lmao

[reef lagoon]

Snitch

[brave goblet]

U say every huh?

🤔

[tardy delta]

love how sqlite saves my uuid

[quasi flint]

Just don't and done

[reef lagoon]

love how java turns characters into the weirdest unicodes ever

[tardy delta]

i fucked up and now i can remove my whole database 💀

its comparing strings with byte arrays pff

that took me two days

[brave goblet]

should i make a bot to make this happen?

[tardy delta]

no

[brave goblet]

all future and previous messages

[tardy delta]

rather make a bot for #verified

[echo basalt]

it's trying to parse the bytes as unicodes

[brave goblet]

ah yes that

[reef lagoon]

I'm aware, and it adds to that so it turns from \u00001 to something else

[tardy delta]

you can do .mode quote and then it shows them like this 💀

[reef lagoon]

the overuse of 💀 is crazy

[ivory sleet]

?kick @brave goblet reaction spam

[undone axle]

Done. That felt good.

[tardy delta]

oof

btw hello conclure 👐

[azure hawk]

finally

[eternal oxide]

Careful mrrioes you were in that too

[golden turret]

you had sex?!?!?!?!?!?!

[tardy delta]

chat is weird today

[open siren]

How do I tag someone? I mean, how do I make it detect if the player has a tag like "test".

[echo basalt]

permission nodes can be a thing

or pdc

[open siren]

some code?

do you have

?

[tardy delta]

?pdc

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/a-guide-to-1-14-persistentdataholder-api.371200/

[tardy delta]

pdc entries would consist of a key value pair so maybe permissions are better

[chrome beacon]

pdc is better

You won't run in to people with * perm or being op

[tardy delta]

both are weird ye

[small current]

how can i cancel creative middle click clone

[agile anvil]

You can't, it's client side stuff

But you can remove the items once he drops it or place it in the inventory

[small current]

can i cancel the nbt copy ?

[agile anvil]

What do you mean ?

[chrome beacon]

You will need to strip the nbt when the item is placed in the inventory

[glossy venture]

you can clear the nbt when it is placed in the inventory

[steep surge]

How can I exceed the 16 characters limit in scoreboard title? I have seen other plugins achieve this, making the limit 32 characters

[sly surge]

What version is your server?

[golden turret]

use 1.19

thank you

[sly surge]

This limit was removed in 1.13

[steep surge]

Too much of a performance hog for a lobby server which needs to have quick responses

And so Im using 1.12

[sly surge]

lmao check #help-server, they just convinced a guy to use 1.19, maybe that will convince you

[golden turret]

then fork spigot and create your own fast version

thank you

[quasi flint]

time for yet another fork

or just

use c++

to make it

better yet

brainfuck

[reef brook]

Your server is exposed to serious security vulnerabilities in this case

[steep surge]

Im completely fine with that since the moment I set it to run in offline mode

[quasi flint]

i dont know if u can call that convincing

i still think he will use 1.8

[quasi flint]

No support for piracy here

😄

[steep surge]

Sure, then why does spigot have the option to support it?

Convincing is pointless. Numbers dont lie. 0.7 seconds vs 4.6 seconds is a goddamn huge difference

[sly surge]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/scoreboard-up-to-16-characters.59663/

[quasi flint]

because it doesnt need to provide an option

[agile anvil]

for what ?

[steep surge]

Load times

[agile anvil]

who cares, your name is even longer to read

update to last version 🙂

[quasi flint]

outdated versions my guy

the circle has completed

[glossy venture]

maybe test 1.13

[reef brook]

Ok but aren't you afraid that a hacker will destroy your server since the server software you are using has not been maintained for years and is exposed to many security vulnerabilities? This is what convinced me

[glossy venture]

it removes the limit

[steep surge]

Tested, didnt work

[glossy venture]

but its still an older version

oh

[quasi flint]

maybe not so drastic as destroying the server

but still

the point stands

[steep surge]

In my nation, the ratio of paid to cracked version of minecraft could easily be 1:1000, that is why I run offline mode

[sly surge]

1.13.2 doesn't have a character limit for scoreboards

[golden turret]

i think it has

65535

or something like this

[glossy venture]

why not just make it flexible

[quasi flint]

lets just stop guys

we got a pirate

[golden turret]

no

[reef brook]

You can put offline mode on 1.19.2 and not be exposed to security vulnerabilities dating back several years

[glossy venture]

put integer of length of string and then add the utf8 bytes in the packet

[steep surge]

You dont

[quasi flint]

offline-mode

[agile anvil]

Let's go onto his ship and steal the gold

[golden turret]

will you fix the problems on his country?

[glossy venture]

how are you still going on abt offline mode lmao

[golden turret]

and how online-mode: true will fix his problems?

[glossy venture]

yeah

who the fuck cares

[steep surge]

Ah yes, unfortunatelly, I have paid for my copy of minecraft. Not just once. Maybe a bit of reading would give you insight of my situation, but apparently that is not what smart people do. I never said I play on cracked copy.

[quasi flint]

why should i

ah i will just leave this as is

tho hackers will prob have fun with cracked mode

[glossy venture]

yeah thats a problem

and any name

but if you are willing to deal with that sure use offline mode idc

[sly surge]

Anyway we answered your question. Either upgrade to 1.13.2 or bypass the limitation via packet or by using scoreboard teams

[steep surge]

So it is literally not possible to exceed in 1.12?

[quasi flint]

hardly

[steep surge]

Featherboard does that

[sly surge]

You can, I just told you how

[quasi flint]

u could try hacky nms

[glossy venture]

pretty sure the limit would originate from the protocol

[quasi flint]

or spigot patches

[glossy venture]

idk why they would make a limit if itwasnt for packet size

[quasi flint]

if it werent for this

[glossy venture]

yeah

so i dont think packets will work

[quasi flint]

i stated my concerns on offline mode enough for the next week 😄

[glossy venture]

lmao

[sly surge]

.

[steep surge]

I do not need to update the imported jar in intellij idea from 1.12 to the latest one, right? If I just go with the long name and update the server it will work, or?

[glossy venture]

with teams yeah

[steep surge]

You should give Slovakia and Czechia a visit then. Youd get a seizure

[glossy venture]

if you limit your clients to 1.13.2+ you could manually send a 1.13.2 protocol packet

[quasi flint]

i live happily in germany

thank you

[glossy venture]

assuming your intent is to keep the server version low for performance but allow newer clients

[tardy delta]

tutorials be like

just looking for ideas for my plugin lol

[glossy venture]

wtf

[quasi flint]

viaversion

[glossy venture]

yeah

i assume hes using that

[steep surge]

Could ViaBackwards/Rewind prevent me from exceeding the limit, actually?

[glossy venture]

1.12 server -> 1.12 protocol -> 1.12 limits

[quasi flint]

same for 1.13

[steep surge]

Yeah, but I got the same error with 1.13, as I mentioned

[glossy venture]

if your server base version is 1.12 no, its just 1.12

[glossy venture]

1.13.2?

[quasi flint]

1.13.2

not 1

[steep surge]

yeah

[quasi flint]

not 0

[steep surge]

.2

[quasi flint]

try newest 1.14

tho performance is terrible till 1.16 there

[glossy venture]

can you send the error

[steep surge]

performance was sent flying out of the window with 1.13

[glossy venture]

true

[quasi flint]

Yea, but got better till 1.19

[glossy venture]

true

[steep surge]

Ill have to replace the jar, moment

[glossy venture]

they tested 2b2t on 1.16 and 1.18 i think

[sly surge]

In my experience, the performance of 1.19 is much better than 1.18, you should try

[glossy venture]

it ran fine

sometimes even 20 tps

[tardy delta]

does anyone know if i can set the output location for maven package to some remote server folder?

[glossy venture]

i recommend using gradle because of the programmablility

[agile anvil]

true

[steep surge]

I mean, Im willing to update my lobby servers, I will just have to live with it, but with minigame servers, I either will sacrifice load times or features

[tardy delta]

no

[glossy venture]

you can just code some quick java to upload the file after build automatically

its nice

[sly surge]

• Do you know how I can repair my car?
• Buy an electric scooter

[tardy delta]

idk how to do that in java lmaoo

[quasi flint]

sacrifice load times it is

[glossy venture]

ok ill edit it to a recommendation

[agile anvil]

I don't understand why all servers keep all version compatibility and 1.8 pvp. It has been now 10 years since we see that. we want something different now

[glossy venture]

yeah

[agile anvil]

No one really tried to exploit the new pvp

Except some servers which did an awesome work

I saw a Skywars like that, it's so pleasing

[quasi flint]

i judt wrote a fabric mod to port Combat Test Snapshot behaviour to 1.19

it was a pain

[steep surge]

java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: The name '§b§lTesting server' is longer than the limit of 16 characters

[reef brook]

What is the best solution found during these 10 years to have a 1.8 pvp in the new versions?

[agile anvil]

Is the Combat Test Snapshot really great? I haven't tested this pvp

[glossy venture]

what version

1.13.2?

[steep surge]

yup

[quasi flint]

i personally love it. tho its abandonned by mojank so i and alexa had to port it

[agile anvil]

ViaVersion 🙂

[glossy venture]

maybe bukkit didnt change it

try nms fuckery

[steep surge]

just to make sure, * after the plugin name means it is in some compatibility mode or something?

[reef brook]

I mean, if my server is in 1.19.2?

[agile anvil]

But I hate this idea of making a 1.8 server possible for every version, we want the 1.19 features not the old school 1.8

[agile anvil]

Everyone should be in 1.19.2 today

[quasi flint]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/oldcombatmechanics-disable-1-9-hit-cooldown.19510/

these things exist

[reef brook]

I know but is it the best solution nowadays?

[quasi flint]

for those who cling to it

prob yes

or just

live with new pvp

or use my fabric mod :>

[sly surge]

Link?

[agile anvil]

That's the point: no one want to feature the new pvp because they think all the players will ignore it

[quasi flint]

curseforge doing curse things

[quasi flint]

i just have the jar for u if u need it

[steep surge]

It is too slow paced for kids

[quasi flint]

well quilt

[quasi flint]

shall i dm it to u?

[agile anvil]

Maybe, but you can add many things to it

Indeed it's really different, but it creates much more meechanics

[sly surge]

Your server is definitely not in 1.13.2, just tested

[sly surge]

Yes please

[steep surge]

I doubt it would be the issue, but I used paper in that instance

[agile anvil]

I'd love to see it too

[sly surge]

https://jd.papermc.io/paper/1.13/org/bukkit/scoreboard/Objective.html#setDisplayName-java.lang.String-
"IllegalArgumentException - if displayName is longer than 128 characters."

[glossy venture]

can you show some code

[quasi flint]

just know

its still wip

the qult mod

[steep surge]

                        for( Objective objective : scb.getObjectives( ) ) {

                            objective.unregister( );

                        }

                        Objective test = scb.registerNewObjective( "§b§lTesting server", "dummy" );
                        test.setDisplaySlot( DisplaySlot.SIDEBAR );
                        Score stest = test.getScore( "magic sauce" );
                        stest.setScore( 1 );```

[quaint mantle]

is there a way to check if a player is looking west

[glossy venture]

thats not the display name

thats the internal id

you need Objective#setDisplayName

[quasi flint]

google. https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/player-direction.175482/

litrally 2 search

[steep surge]

oh so the objective name IS limited to 16?

[glossy venture]

yes

[steep surge]

jesus christ

[glossy venture]

but not the display name

which is what you want to change

[sly surge]

He doesn't belong there

[steep surge]

He left with 1.13

Or maybe with 1.9

didnt like the pvp

[glossy venture]

lmfao

[sly surge]

🤣

[quasi flint]

@sly surge @agile anvil there is a testserver for it. i will dm u both it so u can pvp each other

[glossy venture]

jezus is more of a 1.7 player

[agile anvil]

Amazing

[steep surge]

block hitting it was?

[steep surge]

aaaaaaargh why do I fuck up on things like thissssssssss

[quasi flint]

i personally am proud of how well it turned out. the community of playing this snapshot every day said it was 98% accurate

we even had to unfuck

minecraft code

as it contained bugs

[steep surge]

I wonder what was Notch thinking when he was choosing a language to write minecraft in

together with the protocol

Im gonna ask this one ahead, you guys think 1.5.2 forge will connect to latest bungee/waterfall just fine?

[agile anvil]

Java is good

And the protocol was find on the begginning

It's just that it never changed ^^

[steep surge]

I mean, it is not bad, but the performance is terrible for a game

[eternal night]

my minecraft runs pretty damn well o.O

[steep surge]

Well, its a voxel game afterall

[eternal night]

Well then what is the issue in choosing that language xD

[steep surge]

Drop a few big mods in and see the fps then 😄

[eternal night]

I mean, drop a few performance enhancement mods in and see it go up

[steep surge]

I guess that would work out

I havent even played the latest version tho

[eternal night]

tbf, to some degree I'd argue that choosing another language may have actively slowed down/prevented minecrafts popularity

so many people learn java, the entire modding scene would be a lot smaller

same for plugins on servers etc

[steep surge]

Well, it is true that c++ is less common

[eternal night]

cpp is also just, a lot less friendly

[steep surge]

I have learned javascript as my first language, to me everything is a lot less friendly ngl

Maybe lua would be good

[eternal night]

lua is pain

[steep surge]

I will make my own programming language

Call it English 2.0

maybe that would be easy enough

[eternal night]

I mean java worked our really well

not to mention the huge performance gains in java on the horizon

that will certainly benefit game development in java

[steep surge]

Well, if you look at it realistically, it worked amazingly, but looking at from our current standpoint.. well

The game would probably still perform better if rewritten in a c++ and a java plugin/mod interface would be introduced ngl

Maybe not so much on the server side

[eternal night]

Well, you can see how well even a plain rewrite worked out in bedrock

[steep surge]

Its microsoft...

[eternal night]

the version has enough bugs and issues for days to come

ah yes

microsoft

[tardy delta]

how is the world of a location null :/

got it via Player::getLocation

[steep surge]

I mean, windows occasionally tells me Im running out of memory when sitting on 60% usage..

[eternal night]

how is your self-developed OS doing ?

point being, things are not pretty easy, you have to also obviously respect the business side of things

[eternal night]

can you share the code in question ?

generally speaking, locations can have a null world

but if you grabbed it from a live player object that should not happen

[tardy delta]

uhh well actually, its for a home command, which creates a home object with the players location and the name etc, i later dereference it when saving it to the database

i created that home on the overworld and that world is still loaded :/

[steep surge]

Am I the only one who doesnt see any problem?

You could try to get players world and set the location to his current one

[tardy delta]

when creating a new home it seems to work

[steep surge]

Well, Im clueless

[eternal night]

what do you mean, when creating a new home

[outer river]

hello, i'm trying to save all section created in a config.yml files that contains "name:"(String) and in it "commands:"(StringList) and it send me this error for each "name:" & "commands:"...
Here is my methode:

public void saveConfig() {
            for (String section : getConfig().getConfigurationSection("Rewards").getKeys(false)) {
                String name = getConfig().getString(section + "name");
                if (name != null && getConfig().getStringList("Rewards.name.commands") != null) {
                        List<String> commands = getConfig().getStringList(name + ".commands");
                        rewards.put(name, commands);
                }    
            }        
    }

[tardy delta]

created a new home object and saved it, so the location::getworld::getUID is called

[eternal night]

and that seems to work ?

[tardy delta]

ugh when reloading server world is back null

[eternal night]

that just sounds like you are fucking up loading

[tardy delta]

is that cuz world reloading or smth?

[kind hatch]

Need to add a period to your name getter.
String name = getConfig().getString(section + "*.*name");

[eternal night]

Well, whatever your plugin loading logic does just is trash I guess

[steep surge]

Any ref of an unloaded world will throw an error so it has to be loading

[tardy delta]

i'm still on the world so that doesnt seem to be unloaded :/

[eternal night]

how do you load it from disk/db

if things work when you create it but then don't work once you reload the homes from the DB

your issue would be in said loading logic

[eternal night]

wtf are you doing with name based uuids

[tardy delta]

im saving those as a byte array to the db

[eternal night]

interesting concerning that named uuids are type 3

[tardy delta]

and that factory methods creates back an uuid from those bytes

[eternal night]

and worlds and everything else uses v4 uuids

[tardy delta]

uhh it works lol

[eternal night]

does it ?

[steep surge]

Is it because Im a shit java developer or is his code actually clean af for some reason?

[tardy delta]

not for the homes 😂

lemme show how i save uuids

that might be the reason why it breaks

lemme print out world after loading

[eternal night]

just properly reconstruct the uuid from a byte array

beyond that, by default byte buffer uses big endian

[tardy delta]

uh oh stackoverflow ig

[steep surge]

what does ig stand for, except instagram

[eternal night]

"i guess"

beyond that ```java
final byte[] uuids = ByteBuffer.allocate(16)
.putLong(random4.getMostSignificantBits())
.putLong(random4.getLeastSignificantBits())
.flip()
.array();

for a one liner

[tardy delta]

that would work for both v3 and v4 uuids?

"random4"

[eternal night]

yes

private static UUID fromBytes(byte[] bytes) {
    final ByteBuffer buffer = ByteBuffer.wrap(bytes);
    return new UUID(buffer.getLong(), buffer.getLong());
}

private static byte[] toBytes(UUID uuid) {
    return ByteBuffer.allocate(16)
        .putLong(uuid.getMostSignificantBits())
        .putLong(uuid.getLeastSignificantBits())
        .flip()
        .array();
}

[lost matrix]

Why exactly do you serialize UUIDs like that again? Because all SQL databases i know have a UUID type natively.

[tardy delta]

not sqlite

so im savving it as a blob (byte array)

tried it

[lost matrix]

Does SQLite have a codec?

[tardy delta]

a what :/

[steep surge]

holy shit this one got me

Do ChatColor variables represent a single character or more or tf is that even

[lost matrix]

They represent a ChatColor

[steep surge]

Aaaand when used in a string?

[tardy delta]

the § thing and your color char

[steep surge]

oh right

[crimson scarab]

is it possible to cancel projectile hit event and make the projcetile bounce

[steep surge]

I was hoping to save some precious spaces in my scoreboard

[tardy delta]

ah

[lost matrix]

You shouldnt use them in a String. They are a styling component for text components.

[steep surge]

Well, Im not, but I was thinking perhaps they are a single character when converted to a string

[lost matrix]

I mean if you are on older versions then they represent a single char prepended with §
So a white name would be "§fSomeName

[steep surge]

Unfortunate

Goddamn mojang

[eternal night]

components

[outer river]

okay ,i'll try, thx

[quiet ice]

why the hell flip the bytebuffer?

[ancient plank]

I'm a fan of components in most situations and rarely I get slightly annoyed

[eternal night]

oh

yea you only need the flip if you pass it around

nice catch

[quiet ice]

I mean flipping may make sense if you have different endianess, but at that point you'd also want to flip the mostSig/leastSig bits

[eternal night]

I mean, you usually flip it if you want to read the stuff you threw into it right afterwards

flip is not really flip

[quiet ice]

Ah, just changes the read order? That is lame.

[eternal night]

Flips this buffer. The limit is set to the current position and then the position is set to zero. If the mark is defined then it is discarded.

[quiet ice]

That does not define whether the underlying array is modified or not

Which I assume it would because otherwise you'd be dealing with pretty complex logic there

Does anyone know of an efficent way to perform ant-like property placeholder replacements?
So like replacing the string ${groupId}:${artifactId} becomes my.group:artifact for the Map ["groupId": "my.group", "artifactId": "artifact"]

While yes - I could iterate over each entry in the map and replace it manually I'd rather not do it given that I have no control over the size of it

[eternal night]

final var buffer = ByteBuffer.allocate(2);
buffer.put((byte) 5);
buffer.put((byte) -5);

System.out.println(Arrays.toString(buffer.array()));
System.out.println(Arrays.toString(buffer.flip().array()));

yields

[5, -5]
[5, -5]

so at least the underlying array isn't mutated

adding a

System.out.println(buffer.get() + ", " + buffer.get());

after the flip also yields

5, -5

[quiet ice]

good to note

[steep surge]

Um.. is string "" equal to another string "", I cant really explain this well

[tardy delta]

looks like the whole uuid thing is working

"".equals("") -> true

"" == "" also true afaik

[eternal night]

Yea "" == ""

[steep surge]

then tf am I doing wrong

[opal juniper]

there is equalsIgnoreCase

[tardy delta]

;==;

[quiet ice]

Only if they are interned

[eternal night]

well "" == "" only because of a quirk

[tardy delta]

what does that mean?

[eternal night]

you should never compare strings using ==

[steep surge]

its comparing memory locations isnt it

[tardy delta]

== is

[opal juniper]

objects

[quiet ice]

new String("") == "" will be false

[tardy delta]

ye

[eternal night]

string pool lifestyle

[steep surge]

i mean

[quiet ice]

*Constant pool

[opal juniper]

let’s all use python

[tardy delta]

and "" == "" is true cuz of string pool right

or constant pool idk

[quiet ice]

*Constant pool

[steep surge]

even "l" == "l" wont return true will it

[eternal night]

it would

[opal juniper]

cause it gets them from the pool

[quiet ice]

If both are in the constant pool yes

[steep surge]

Aaaaaah

[quiet ice]

or if both are .intern()'d (which puts them in the constant pool)

[tardy delta]

literal strings are supposed to be in the pool iirc

[eternal night]

interned strings 🙏

[tardy delta]

does ::intern() place them in the pool or smth?

[eternal night]

killing performance one day at a time

[steep surge]

So when set to a variable they wont be equal

[tardy delta]

memory leaks 😎

[quiet ice]

Yes, which is why you should not use it

[eternal night]

doesn't spigot still use intern

[quiet ice]

Hence the name - it's an internal operation for the JRE to use

[eternal night]

yea they do lol

[tardy delta]

well @eternal night thanks for helping it works

[quiet ice]

It does make sense if the string is going to be there for the lifetime of the application

e.g. plugin names

[steep surge]

I havent really given java too much thought, I just noticed sometimes identical strings werent equal so I use .equals() on every occasion

[tardy delta]

Bukkit.getWorld with my weird uuid was returning null

[quiet ice]

You should do it anyways really

[eternal night]

ah no, they dropped the intern too

😭

[quiet ice]

Unless you REALLY know what you are doing

[eternal night]

I have not once ran into a situation where pushing a string into the constant pool is worth it

[steep surge]

Im a javascript user, I just write code and pray to god it works

Well, a cpp user, but cpp supports these comparisons

although it doesnt support changing the comparison behavior

[quiet ice]

However == is going to be only a bit faster (talking in fractions of nanoseconds there most likely) than .equals because .equals's first op is basically if (this == other) return true;

[steep surge]

but javascript is amazing, it allows you to do shit which breaks the whole thing

[eternal night]

sounds like cpp when you say it like that

[steep surge]

until i can var i = 0; i = ""; i = {} I am unstoppable

[steep surge]

thats right, talk about memory in java.... what a pleasure using java becomes to me

[tardy delta]

meanwhile js function test(a, b) {} test(1)

[quiet ice]

Issue is that java has a verifier. Unless you make a seperate frame (which is harder than you think in this circumstance) redifining a variable is not going to fly by it. Although you can just cheat the system and internally just use a different variable

[steep surge]

true shit

[frank kettle]

Anyone knows what's the max characters size for a Sign line?

I'm trying to change the sign line text but if it's too much length it doesn't insert the last word(s).

[steep surge]

rewrite the compiler

[quiet ice]

The verifier is the culprit IMO

[unique shuttle]

"1" + "1" = "11"

[steep surge]

when using javascript i fear 2

[unique shuttle]

xD

[grim ice]

js dumb

why would it automatically cast a string to a number

if it only has numbers

[steep surge]

I meant, it wont return 2 but...

It wont cast a string into a number automatically

but "1" + "1" == 2 looks like something javascript could do

if someone sent me this I probs wouldnt look twice at it lmao

But hey, everything is an object

Some hate it, some love it, I personally love it

[bronze notch]

Is there an alternative for PlayerInteractEvent#getClickedBlock() in 1.14?

[steep surge]

was that dropped?

[eternal night]

not all API methods existed years ago when 1.14 was relevant

[bronze notch]

I know, but I see now that it DID exist, but my IDE can't find it 😛

[bronze notch]

Haha @steep surge

[eternal night]

hope someone finds an exploits and RCE your ass

[steep surge]

The latest version for me is 1.12.2

I believe I havent even downloaded 1.16 yet

[bronze notch]

Oh @eternal night I found the issue, thanks anyway

[eternal night]

sweet 👍

[eternal night]

hope you are not planning on coding plugins 😅

[quiet ice]

For bukkit 1.14 is the oldest bearable version

[steep surge]

I bring fear with my actions.

[eternal night]

sounds more like masochism

[steep surge]

oh

[quiet ice]

Yeah in this case it's not that you annoy other people (which you still do), but rather that you will shoot yourself in the foot

[steep surge]

with 1.8?

I mean

[eternal night]

with 1.8.8 more like, in the foot, head, and chest

[quiet ice]

Yes, it has the worst possible API imo

[steep surge]

Aaaah, developmentwise

True

[quiet ice]

Especially the material API on that version is 🤮

[steep surge]

But Im not a 1.8.8 player

I quit minecraft a while ago, I just decided to make some plugins in my free time

[frank kettle]

Man doesn't even know that stone slabs are out

[steep surge]

lmao

Although I wont act as if I wasnt playing 1.8 when 1.12.2 was out

[quiet ice]

And another issue with 1.8 is that paper isn't the beast that it is on 1.16+, so -believe it or not- you are suffering from sub-optimal performance

[steep surge]

If speaking of servers, Im using 1.12

Basically the last version that performed reasonably for me

yo btw a "" string from my array is not equal to "" string apparently

[quiet ice]

Eh still a version that does not accept Java 17 by default (unless you disable native transport) so not something I'd use

[quiet ice]

What exactly is the array and how exactly do you compare them?

[steep surge]

new String[ ] { "...", "", "..." }

[quiet ice]

please don't say you got your indices messed up...

[steep surge]

then I for loop it as a string and use .equals( "" )

[quiet ice]

I wanted to see actual code, not pseudo-code

[steep surge]

Ah okay

[quiet ice]

as of now I can only guess where the issue is

[outer river]

still doent work (same error)

[steep surge]

        Scoreboard scoreboard = player.getScoreboard( );

        for( Objective objective : scoreboard.getObjectives( ) ) {

            objective.unregister( );

        }

        Objective objective = scoreboard.registerNewObjective( "scoreboard", "dummy" );
        objective.setDisplayName( title );
        objective.setDisplaySlot( DisplaySlot.SIDEBAR );

        Score score;
        Integer i = 16;
        Integer rI = 1;

        for( String line : lines ) {

            if( line.equals( "" ) ) {

                System.out.println( "\n\nhaaa\n\n" );

                for( Integer x = 0; x <= rI; x++ ) {

                    line += "§r";

                }

                rI++;

            }

            score = objective.getScore( line );
            score.setScore( i );

            i--;



        }

    }``` - this is the function I compare the variable in

[quiet ice]

Best guesses are messed up indices or invisible 0-width chars

[steep surge]

brb with the array

[kind hatch]

What does your yml file look like?

[quiet ice]

And how have you determined that line.equals("") is false?

[steep surge]

well, because my haaaa is nowhere to be found

[quiet ice]

ah lol

[kind hatch]

Well, you can't have a parent section with a variable if you have subsections. You would either need to use the name of the parent section itself or add another subsection called name.

[quiet ice]

Yeah then my only guess is that you have a zero-width char (or a special string such as color codes) in the line

[steep surge]

my IDE put spaces in the strings...

[quiet ice]

Wouldn't have happened with eclipse 😎

[steep surge]

Isnt eclipse like 1.8?

[outer river]

oh i see, i'll modif this

[quiet ice]

At least is isn't legacy software

[steep surge]

You make me feel old

[quiet ice]

And well using tools from the stone age is the norm for programming

[steep surge]

I dont even have the latest discord installed

[quiet ice]

There is this xkcd about how most people use stone age tech to create bleeding edge stuff

[agile anvil]

That guy is a RCE test box

[pine forge]

Is there any way to parse markdown into minecraft formatting?

[steep surge]

markdown?

[quiet ice]

There is MineDown, but it isn't true markdown syntax iirc

[pine forge]

Yeah stuff like in discord **bold text**, __underlined__

[steep surge]

Yeah I know

[quiet ice]

Also Minimessage and whatever - they are all Markdown inspired, so most should have similar syntax

[steep surge]

But

[pine forge]

So i wanna convert that markdown to display correctly in minecraft

[quiet ice]

Minedown is probably your safest bet however

[agile anvil]

It's time to train using Regex, nice exercice

[quiet ice]

Unless you want to operate with headers, list and all that stuff

[steep surge]

lmao

[pine forge]

Well how do i use that in code?

[pine forge]

Yeah i guess

[quiet ice]

https://github.com/Phoenix616/MineDown#how-to-use-it

[pine forge]

Or ill check the code of other plugins :kek:

[kind hatch]

Import library and pass string through method?

[pine forge]

you cant use extxernal emojis here?

oof

[agile anvil]

Pretty sure they use Regex

[pine forge]

yeah, thats not a problem

[pine forge]

ah isee

[quiet ice]

It has nice adventure interop - so it is nice to use on paper servers. No idea about the spigot interop

[pine forge]

is this the default option?

So like i dont have to specify open_url

that would make sense

Actually i dont even need to parse image links

[quiet ice]

That is the advanced syntax

[pine forge]

yeah i know

i see

or this rather

but italic is this?

and not one underscore or one star

thats the standard md

[quiet ice]

There is no "standard" markdown

Everyone employs their own flavour of markdown

[agile anvil]

Anyone fan of custom ui GUI?

[quiet ice]

custom ui GUI as in?

[steep surge]

Hey guys I updated discord

they added light mode

[pine forge]

But you see the * or _ for italic in most "flavors"

[agile anvil]

Example:

[pine forge]

ive never seen two ## for italic text

[quiet ice]

Probably was easier to implement. Shouldn't be too hard writing a regex to convert between the two

[steep surge]

there is no way this shit is vanilla

[pine forge]

this is vanilla with a resource pack

[agile anvil]

It is, but few versions after you xD

[pine forge]

Its kinda insane what you can do with resource packs

but just take a look at origin realms

[agile anvil]

No one use the capabilities of resource pack, I want to change that

[steep surge]

oh, that is achieved with data packs isnt it

[agile anvil]

Resource packs, not data packs

[pine forge]

probably also a plugin additionally

[quiet ice]

Eh, I myself don't use it given that usually the Chat is a bit more powerful

[steep surge]

but you are still prompted to download the rp arent you

[kind hatch]

So, I am wanting to create a GUI where you can change the plugin's language files. As it stands, I have the GUI set up dynamically so that it can detect any new languages added or removed. However, I want the ability to order the languages in the GUI. Anyone have an idea how I could do this without adding extra data to the language files themselves?

[agile anvil]

It's really fluent since 1.18 or smth like that

[agile anvil]

What do you mean by chat?

[quiet ice]

I'll show you

[steep surge]

json -> commands i guess

[steep surge]

ayo

hallo mein freund

wie gehts

[agile anvil]

Indeed that's interesting

[quiet ice]

You can also make it interactive with click events and all that stuff

[tardy delta]

gnome 👀

[steep surge]

Thats cool and all but it isnt as clean as guis can be

[quiet ice]

I use it in all my plugins these days

[steep surge]

leave him alone

what a chad

[tardy delta]

im a kde man

[quiet ice]

I use LXDE these days

This is an ancient video

[steep surge]

if it werent for my gpu drivers i would use linux as my daily driver as well

[tardy delta]

actually maybe heard once about that

[quiet ice]

Although I still look back fondly at gnome's stability

Although thankfully all my problems with LXDE have magically vanished after not using my computer for 2 weeks

[steep surge]

you just had to get a bit outdated you see

[tardy delta]

ah is lxde the default fedora desktop env?

[quiet ice]

No, gome is. LXDE is just a spin I wanted to try out

[tardy delta]

hmm

[quiet ice]

But yes, it's fedora

[agile anvil]

I mean look at what you can do

[steep surge]

are you shitting me

[eternal night]

fortunaltely not even that hard 🙏

tho some better support for that, looking at you bedrock, would be nice

[quiet ice]

Discord hates "nonstandard" encoding standards

[steep surge]

where are the old good days when having a custom gui in a goddamn forge mod was impressive

[agile anvil]

oops, well MP4 is standard I guess

[quiet ice]

mp4 is just a container

[agile anvil]

right

[steep surge]

but since we were talking about linux already

do you recommend gnome over xfce?

[quiet ice]

Is another example of text-based UI

[agile anvil]

xfce is very used nowadays

[agile anvil]

I like the idea but unfortunately you miss some chats during this time

[kind hatch]

Yea, that's the issue with chat based UI

[agile anvil]

It could be great to restore all the missed chat during the interaction after closing

[steep surge]

kali

[kind hatch]

You probably could, but you would need to keep record of every message sent and any possible integration with existing chat plugins.

[tardy delta]

loud keyboard lmao

[steep surge]

good microphone

[quiet ice]

Most servers I've played on had a dead chat so I cannot talk too much about it

[agile anvil]

That's right, and that's why I'm staying with chest GUI

[outer river]

@kind hatch EDIT: It works right now, thx a lot!

[steep surge]

you dont know what a dead chat is unless you play csgo with russians

they either shut it for the entire game

or they dont close their mouths

[quiet ice]

Even when two players play at the same time there is 0 interaction

[steep surge]

I used to host a smp for a while and I saw more killed by creeper explosion death messages than you have player interaction

[kind hatch]

Bump

[steep surge]

wdym by order

like alphabetically or

[tardy delta]

hmm my stuff seems to work

[steep surge]

what is that

rp server?

[tardy delta]

uh oh im making some kind of kingdoms server

[steep surge]

oh cool

[tardy delta]

where i will be the only player fr

nothing better to do

[kind hatch]

Any arbitrary order of the languagues themselves. For instance, instead of sorting alphabetically, I could have a custom order. Smth like
English, Spanish, Russian, Dutch
vs
English, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Russian

[steep surge]

heyyy youre still gooooood, Im making a scoreboard for myself and struggle with it

[tardy delta]

just implemented some basic skills where you can gain xp

[quiet ice]

I'd sort over locale.getISO3Language();

I personally use locale.getISO3Language ALL the time even though it might not be the best for performance but whatever

[steep surge]

Sounds good

[tardy delta]

figuring out a way to hide that bossbar after some time tho

but get it back when i gain xp

[steep surge]

dunno havent worked with bossbars yet

I had an idea of a minigame I think will be fun to play so just like 2 days I got into plugin development xd

I consider myself an expert in getting the player object

[quiet ice]

At worst just sort over the file names themselves

[tardy delta]

had so many issues implementing persistent storage lol

gson fucked up so hard and sqlite decided to do that too

[quiet ice]

So something like

TreeSet<File> file = new TreeSet((f1, f2) -> f1.toString().compareTo(f2.toString()));

before parsing them into a kust

[steep surge]

I have created an additional nodejs server to handle all persistent storage and general events over the network

[kind hatch]

Well, I'm sort of using the language codes. locale_en.yml and what not. However, how would this allow for a custom sort?

[steep surge]

Certainly not the best approach but it does its job just fine

[quiet ice]

TreeSets are the most obvious choice there. If it needs to be concurrent go with ConcurrentSkipListSet

[hushed pawn]

How to understand knockback pvp system? And get exact values of kb multipliers

[ancient plank]

math

[agile anvil]

Dive into minecraft server code 🤿

[steep surge]

holy shit he cracked the code

[kind hatch]

I'm not following. Wouldn't this just return the natural ordering?

[quiet ice]

But really I'd need to look at the code you are using

[grim ice]

anyone has an idea to use neural networks in?

[quiet ice]

Yes - but if it needs to be a pre-defined order you can just alter the comparator to use pre-made ordinals

[agile anvil]

Take your favorite game, find a goal, and train your neural network to reach the goal

[hushed pawn]

I tried, i almost started to think it is client side calculations

[steep surge]

Speaking of which, is HashMap a good choice as somewhat of an alternative to java objects for storing data?

[quiet ice]

HashMap is cometimes a good choice, sometimes not

[grim ice]

no

what

lmfao

if clients control kb

then pvp mc servers would die

[quiet ice]

For example for having a Chunk -> Data - like mapping, HashMap is not ideal performance-wise

[agile anvil]

No way, but the client can indeed intract on it cause it's client movement... But vanilla minecraft doesn't

[kind hatch]

It does need to be pre-defined. That's also part of the problem I'm running into. I know I need some sort of data, but I don't want to put it in the language files themselves.

[quiet ice]

I believe that is the case actually

[grim ice]

what are you talking about

no

[hushed pawn]

Can you give me advice what classes might be involved?

[quiet ice]

Have a Map<String, Integer> then

[quiet ice]

The server is trusting the client with a lot of inputs - including knockback

[steep surge]

oh nonono, just for like player objects I have over here. eg <String, Object> and I assign an object with keys like coins etc to player names

[quiet ice]

although for non-player knockback that may be different

[kind hatch]

Fair enough, but where would I get the integer from? Where would be the best place to store it if not in the language files directly?

[quiet ice]

DO. NOT. ASSIGN. ANYTHING. TO. PLAYER. NAMES.

[steep surge]

cant on offline modeeeeeee

[quiet ice]

Use UUIDs

Unless you are in 1.5 world or whatever

[tardy delta]

🫂

[quiet ice]

Yeah, that would need to be predefined in either a file or in code

[hushed pawn]

I did 1.8.9 build tools project and tried to explore whatever i see

[steep surge]

Dont you get null as an UUID from a cracked client?

[quiet ice]

No

[kind hatch]

Every account has an online and an offline UUID.

[steep surge]

so it would a reliable identifier even for players with cracked clients

[quiet ice]

UUID.nameUUIDFromBytes(("OfflinePlayer: " + player.getName()).getBytes(StandardCharsets.UTF_8))

The offlien UUID is generated a bit like that

[eternal oxide]

Offline UUID is calculated from their name

[steep surge]

Oh thats cool, didnt know that

[quiet ice]

Even in vanilla

[kind hatch]

One more thing to add on to this. If I make a predefined list of languages and their sort order, what about cases where I add or remove a language from the plugin?

I think adding is easy, something like taking the total amount of language files and then add 1 so that it's last in the list? But, what about removing language files?

[steep surge]

Either way, HashMap<String, Object> for player data, good approach?

[quiet ice]

Since you will be comparing these integers removing will not make a difference

[tardy delta]

Map<UUID, PlayerData> he said

[quiet ice]

^

[steep surge]

oh right it has its own class

[quiet ice]

Though don't necessarily use PlayerData

[steep surge]

I just have a native java object there

[tardy delta]

i'm doing a Map<UUID, KingdomsPlayer> to store a playerwrapper thing

[quiet ice]

The string -> int map can be much larger than the actual amount of locales there are out there. It will not cause issues until you map multiple locales to the same ordinal

[cold tartan]

Is there a way to remove entity AI, keeping their gravity, without using NMS? If not would replacing the entity with a custom one without any goals be feasible? I'm trying to prevent certain entities from causing lag with their pathfinding

[steep surge]

I wouldnt really like to get into custom classes for players etc, I feel like just putting and removing data from the object is simpler for me

[agile anvil]

So you have a map for each variable ?

[quiet ice]

While that approach may be okay for you, it may become problematic once you want to store it persistently

[steep surge]

The hashmap contains native java objects, there the data is stored

[quiet ice]

What are "native java objects" for you?

[tardy delta]

pojos i guess

[quiet ice]

The java/lang packages or are we talking about JNI?

[steep surge]

Object from java.lang

[quiet ice]

For reference "native" usually means native (machine-code) in java space

[steep surge]

oh

well thats useful to know

[agile anvil]

Would quickly become a problem when storing more than two stuff for each player

[quiet ice]

well really that isn't the issue

[steep surge]

what makes you think that

[agile anvil]

I see too much issues on doing that

You need more memory, your data is harder to store, manipulate

and co

[quiet ice]

Memory is cheap - programmers are not

(plus it is a teeny tiny bit faster since you avoided a GETFIELD/INVOKEVIRTUAL op)

[steep surge]

Im not too concerned about memory, afterall there arent gonna be their house schematics stored and about data manipulation, I mean..

Its quite easy to just playerdata.get( uuid ).get( "group" ) or whatever

it perhaps isnt as clean as it would be with classes but I dont think thats too much of an issue

[quiet ice]

Then let me give you an heart attack: https://github.com/Geolykt/Presence/blob/main/src/main/java/de/geolykt/presence/common/util/RegionatedIntIntToObjectMap.java

[steep surge]

what the actual fuck is that class name

[quiet ice]

The best thing about this class is that I wrote it to save memory

[quiet ice]

It should've been ConcurrentRegionatedIntIntToObjectMap now that I think about it

[agile anvil]

Oh you have a Map in a Map ? I didn't understand that ^^

[agile anvil]

That's lovely

[quiet ice]

JSON moment

[steep surge]

:DDD

[steep surge]

HashMap and Object both have .get() method

[agile anvil]

So what's your structure ?

[steep surge]

Im gonna try my best in explaining then

[agile anvil]

Just show it ^^ like HashMap<....>

[steep surge]

ye ye

[sacred basin]

Hello, I want to know why tab completer doesn't work for capitalized words?

[quiet ice]

It uses like 800k bytes if only a single object is stored in it

[steep surge]

        players.put( uuid, new Object( ) );```

smth like that

[agile anvil]

So if you want to save let's say :

• it's first login
• it's last login

How do you do?

[steep surge]

on login I retrieve data from mysql

[tardy delta]

just finished my whole loading impl

its on gh lol

[steep surge]

oh i see

wait

[quiet ice]

Don't ever touch mysql if you have never touched it before

[steep surge]

I have, dont worry

[quiet ice]

Too many people in this channel have issues with database servers

[steep surge]

its just java Im new to

[steep surge]

        players.get( uuid ).put( "lastSeen", ... );``` You mean like this?

[agile anvil]

Yeah

You do that ?

[quiet ice]

Yes, but now do it persistently

[tardy delta]

looks like you are doing a map<uuid, map<String, object>> or smth

[agile anvil]

I've never seen that before x) Maybe it's my time to have a coffee

[quiet ice]

Loading and saving is a bit more complicated if you have multiple maps

However, you can just strap GSON onto it and call it a day

[tardy delta]

had so many issues with gson

i eventually needed so many typeadapters that i gave up

[steep surge]

When the player is joined, I query all this information and store the object until the player disconnects, then I just release it from memory. When something needed to be saved occurs, I just directly save it to the database (mysql)

[tardy delta]

it didnt know what to do with records, weakreferences, custom objects pff

[steep surge]

and of course update the locally stored variables

[quiet ice]

typical google moment

[steep surge]

well, basically yes

[quiet ice]

Most of the stuff google releases are legacy software

[steep surge]

Actually, would there be any difference if done likewise, geollll?