help-development

[noble lantern]

so its fully on extensive as hell

[echo basalt]

that goofy ahh audio at the back

[modest tartan]

Alright Burchard37 so I've worked on some stuff and now I'm getting a fairly similar error (from the looks of it) https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/udelizafiw.properties

[noble lantern]

oh you can hear that lmfao

i have youtube on auto play

[modest tartan]

My dudes we're back!

lol

[noble lantern]

what are you making private volatile?

[modest tartan]

nothing

I made that hashmap private like you said

I've been looking around

I'll look more but if you want any code lmk

Cuz I'm lost and new to this, still trying

[echo basalt]

https://gist.github.com/IllusionTheDev/b38fb7f00ef5a565f886931b631072c5

I'll reuse it across projects so I don't care to share

I could later use FastUtil and change a bunch of stuff to Short2ObjectMap

[noble lantern]

i wonder if im able to make use of this

[echo basalt]

You can mess around with it

[noble lantern]

Plugin im making basically allows NPC's to live around in the world and act as players and such

Not sure if fake blocks can incorporate in somehow hm

[noble lantern]

which is another reason why i spent so many weeks bitching about client sided npcs xD

[echo basalt]

FakeBlockTracker tracker = new FakeBlockTracker(myPlugin); // make sure to only have 1 instance and share it around

FakeBlock block = tracker.getOrCreate(location);
block.setType(player, Material.BEDROCK);
block.updateIndividually(player);

you can use it for doors and whatever

[noble lantern]

oo

theres gonna be relashions with tribes so maybe

if a player has a bad relashion ill render doors on the houses

[echo basalt]

render barrier doors

so they can't join

[noble lantern]

yeah barriers seem nicer

[echo basalt]

maybe put a red particle on the middle of the barrier block too

[noble lantern]

or just old runscape style

where you just watch someone walk through a wall you cant go through xD

[echo basalt]

I mean

that will probably happen lol

[noble lantern]

but barriers sound nicer as i dont rly like that

plus.. chances of player making to said door with bad relashion is low

just need the movement and interaction for npc all layed out and i can actually start doing fun stuff

[echo basalt]

my stupid ass would probably just use citizen npcs

and hide the npcs from players

instead of reinventing the wheel but clientside

as the npcs already tick and all

they just won't happen to exist for certain people

[noble lantern]

i originally was doing this

but

they make players move with velocity....

however i did talk to fullwall about adding packet based npcs yesterday

[echo basalt]

and?

I don't care how they work

as long as they work

[noble lantern]

it fucks up pathfinding

and performance

ill need likely over 100+ npcs running around independently in the world

[echo basalt]

I'm still waiting for the day where we make minecraft-server specific hardware to tackle these problems

[noble lantern]

ikr

give me 200 core machines

[modest garnet]

ive just had someone message me from mc market asking me to develop a MCC Tourney plugin

what would you guys charge for all of it

[echo basalt]

imagine if hypixel partnered up with AMD or something

and made hardware-optimized scoreboards and chunks

[echo basalt]

35/hr

because minigames are a pain to write

[quaint mantle]

How can i detect if a player slot if empty/has x item

[noble lantern]

Player#getInventory#getSlot(int)

illusion

ive always wondered

[modest garnet]

ok so lets say for one of the minigames how much would u charge?

[noble lantern]

what the point of # in method referances for docs 🤔

[echo basalt]

indicates it's an instance method

. indicates it's a static method

[noble lantern]

ah

[noble lantern]

do you have a list of features for that minigame?

[echo basalt]

idfk how I learned it, just happened to click eventually

I mean for work I usually just make an hour estimate of each part

and multiply that by like 20-35 depending on how shitty I'm feeling

and add like another 10% on top for unexpected stuff and that's my quote

[noble lantern]

respectable ngl

[echo basalt]

then I eventually get a reply saying "That's a little much, can you do 3$/hr?"

[noble lantern]

LOL

[modest garnet]

https://noxcrew.com/mcc

one here

[echo basalt]

I've applied for noxcrew like 4 times

no response

[eternal oxide]

Professionally, 20 years back I charged £70 an hour. These days for plugins 30 sounds reasonable.

[echo basalt]

man you a boomer

[noble lantern]

i mean

he did make one of the first permission managers

GroupManager

i think

[echo basalt]

I wasn't even an thought 20 years ago

[eternal oxide]

It was Y2K back then so Big bucks to rewrite Cobol programs.

[noble lantern]

wait

they legit deadass reached out to you on mc market?

[echo basalt]

no some fanboy did

[noble lantern]

Yeah i dont think nox would randomly dm mcm people

unless you made like a thread saying your offering services maybe

[modest garnet]

NO not them

someone looking for the plugin

like that

[noble lantern]

OHHHH

well i mean, its multiple plugins there

[echo basalt]

I'd charge like 400$ for dodgebolt

[noble lantern]

same for hole in wall

maybe a little more

wait

nah 100 ill use ur fake block lib

[echo basalt]

but then again I have like 5-6 years of experience and can probably make it in a weekend

[noble lantern]

[echo basalt]

client-sided arena where you stand on fake blocks

[noble lantern]

most of those can be made rly quickly but if theyre just a one time use thing in a controlled environment

[echo basalt]

then hide players and entities from eachother

like I'm doing with zombies

[noble lantern]

but if theyre gonna be public plugins oof

[echo basalt]

and then I won't have to worry about world management

[noble lantern]

wth lol

[echo basalt]

👍

you can run like 25 games at once on a 1gb hdd

and it won't really lag at all because there's little to no disk usage

[noble lantern]

hdd

[echo basalt]

everything is ram and multithreaded cpu

best thing about fakeblocks is that you can make them async

just make each game run on a separate thread

[noble lantern]

im making each npc run on a new thread

i meant

npc***

[echo basalt]

8-cpu machine for 8 separate games

[noble lantern]

joking btw

i hope your still alive over there

[noble lantern]

i got a 2 cpu server

has like 24 cores i think

but low speeds :ccc

[echo basalt]

server I'm running zombies on is weaker than my pc

still running 20tps flawless

[quaint mantle]

How may I use Jitpack?

[noble lantern]

yeah same mines is on a contabo vps

[echo basalt]

and given everything is async I got 0.05mspt

[noble lantern]

just as long as repo is public it and link your github it should work, all you do is make a tag

[echo basalt]

only thing that's sync is gun raytracing

but the particles are async

[noble lantern]

did you know

with 100 npcs runing an async astar

the server still ran 20 tps 🤔

[echo basalt]

I mean

yeah

[noble lantern]

even tho citizens was like 80% of the tick

[echo basalt]

I ran a gta server on a contabo vps

[quaint mantle]

I cannot use them

[echo basalt]

thing is

[quaint mantle]

How do i chec if an slot is empty

[noble lantern]

did you read the logs?

[echo basalt]

the server only started dying around 16-18k entities (citizen npcs doing wandering)

[noble lantern]

click the red file button

[echo basalt]

100 is little

[quaint mantle]

I did, but it's Jitack's fault since I'm compiling fine on my IDE

[noble lantern]

yes but with each entity running astar?

[echo basalt]

yes

[noble lantern]

at 100 npcs the cpu was reaching 600%

which is 100% of my 6 core system

while pathfinding ofc

after it was fine

i need a i7 or i9

to test this on

[echo basalt]

I got a ryzen 5 5600x

paid like 230€ for it a couple months ago

[noble lantern]

my contabo vps is like amd epyc

[echo basalt]

epyc has lower clocks yeah

[noble lantern]

my laptop is i7 but its a laptop i7

[echo basalt]

but you can multithread the shit out of it

[quaint mantle]

Can someone help me 🥺

[echo basalt]

I won't judge it much

[noble lantern]

i send the method earlier

[echo basalt]

I did like 3 years of development on a 4th gen laptop i3

[quaint mantle]

Where? I did not saw

[noble lantern]

Player#getInventory#getSlot(int) returns an ItemStack

[echo basalt]

5w peak power

[quaint mantle]

Ohhh k

Btw whats #?

[noble lantern]

method instances

so essentially

[quaint mantle]

?

[compact haven]

it’s a Javadoc symbol

[quaint mantle]

No getSlot

[echo basalt]

wtf 👀

[noble lantern]

oh uh

getItem(int)

sorry

[noble lantern]

?

[echo basalt]

burchard

[noble lantern]

oh the spacing

[quaint mantle]

K ty

[noble lantern]

ahahaha

[echo basalt]

you know what would be very cursed

[compact haven]

basically Player#xxx() means someInstanceOfPlayer.xxx()

[noble lantern]

what would

[echo basalt]

change leroy

to use modelengine

and have a crazy frog model just zooming at high speeds

[noble lantern]

that sounds so hard

[echo basalt]

nope

just make modelengine disguise your npc as a model

api is so shitty it actually takes an entity as the base

and spawns entities around it

but you can't spawn a regular modelled entity

you can only disguise existing ones

[quaint mantle]

Really it's not my fault

[noble lantern]

i juts want someone to spoondfeed me a packet based npc lib so i can do what i do

[noble lantern]

did you read what i said?

The red file

click it

its a log

[echo basalt]

https://github.com/JitseB/NPCLib/tree/master/nms

[noble lantern]

Jitpack needs certain configurations to run

[echo basalt]

this maxed out at 1.16 :/

[noble lantern]

hmmm

should just be renaming methods for 1.19 right?

[quaint mantle]

https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/iridobeqiz.sql

I don't get what the issue is...

[eternal oxide]

1.16 to 1.17 was a bit of a change

[noble lantern]

is your pom.xml relying on a local file

[echo basalt]

I remember one that had pathfinding included

[quaint mantle]

As a dependency?

[noble lantern]

but overall, it shouldnt be total aids to switch over?

[eternal oxide]

I can see a lot of plugins not getting upto 1.19

[noble lantern]

yes

[quaint mantle]

No

[noble lantern]

⚠️ ERROR: No build artifacts found
Expected artifacts in: $HOME/.m2/repository/us/mytheria/BlobLib/1.0-SNAPSHOT

Are you suuuure?

[quaint mantle]

I have no systemPath dependencies

I don't get what you mean prolly

[noble lantern]

Can you send your pom.xml

[noble lantern]

Imma try to transform that lib to 1.19 it cant be too hard i dont think

[dusk flicker]

fatal mistake

[quaint mantle]

https://github.com/anjoismysign/BlobLib/blob/master/pom.xml

[dusk flicker]

thinking something in programming would be easy

[echo basalt]

https://github.com/juliarn/NPC-Lib

this one is a bit better

[noble lantern]

oh thats a ez update

18 -> 19

[noble lantern]

shhh

illusion how tf you find these

i looked all over and just found hakans

[noble lantern]

bruh

i legit dont get any of those lol

oh now it says them

ofc

i think i was googling async npc lib

or some shit

[quaint mantle]

So is it my fault? I'm really sorry, I've no idea how Jitpack works 🙅🏻‍♂️

[golden turret]

brooo i was looking in the obfuscated code and wondering why it was obfuscated 😭

[echo basalt]

burch

this mf made one with pathfinding

https://github.com/SergiFerry/PlayerNPC/blob/master/src/dev/sergiferry/playernpc/api/NPC.java

one class too

lol

[modest tartan]

Issues with Gson

[echo basalt]

quite short at 5k lines

but it has like 25 inner classes so you can split it up

[noble lantern]

wait

his api is all one class

if so i hate him but i love him

[echo basalt]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/✅-api-player-npc-✅-1-18-x-1-19-1.93625/

[noble lantern]

cause its just copy paste into my project :))

[echo basalt]

he's not showing the nms

but like

it uses inner classes

so you can split it up

[noble lantern]

Yeah this one seemed shady imo

didnt seem like it could allow npcs to walk or it was done with packets

[echo basalt]

it's literally what I just sent you

[noble lantern]

the github??

[echo basalt]

yeah

[noble lantern]

https://github.com/juliarn/NPC-Lib

this one??

[slate delta]

i dont know how fix this error

[noble lantern]

ahh

[slate delta]

anymore can me help me please?

[noble lantern]

so you want to modify a list in a loop i see

[echo basalt]

nvm

[noble lantern]

One must see the Iterator class in java young padawan

[echo basalt]

he implements the bukkit entity

and writes all methods

still good

but he has a personal npc

system

[noble lantern]

i assume theyre physical entities?

[echo basalt]

sure it's not async astar but you can make it walk somewhere

[noble lantern]

or packet based

No i can fork and add my own algo

not an issue

the lib just needs to support walking one block

[echo basalt]

it like

[noble lantern]

i just so desperatly suck at math lol

[echo basalt]

the entity exists

but it only exists because packet constructors need an entity?

[noble lantern]

Thats how i do mine

A class extending ServerPlayer and pass this to packets

so entity doesnt ever exist, but it has certain method available still you might need

[echo basalt]

then yeah use this

[noble lantern]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/✅-api-player-npc-✅-1-18-x-1-19-1.93625/

This one right

sorry we linked like 4 of them lol

[slate delta]

i dont see what do you want speak

[echo basalt]

ye

[noble lantern]

so basically

when using List in java

you cant remove from it in a loop

you need to use Iterator, and remove it that way

[slate delta]

ohh okay

[echo basalt]

you cant really copypaste his code as he has nms stuff that's not on git

[slate delta]

i can read, but no remove

[noble lantern]

Youll have to google a tutorial on Iterators, but theyre really simple

[slate delta]

is that ?

[noble lantern]

yeah

readings fine

[slate delta]

thanks !

[noble lantern]

just no remove, add fine

[noble lantern]

lemme check his github

[slate delta]

but remove, is auto cleaned when plugin all disabled

i dont need to remove

[noble lantern]

ohhh illusion

its just empty classes

you need his plugin running on the server

[quaint mantle]

Here my pom
https://github.com/anjoismysign/BlobLib/blob/master/pom.xml

[noble lantern]

wait, or not

[echo basalt]

I mean not really

[slate delta]

for a few seconds I thought I was reading another word 😅

[echo basalt]

you just gotta shade the jar itself and not the git code

it uses reflections internally

I hate jd-gui not having a dark theme by default

[noble lantern]

oh wow

[echo basalt]

like the code is minimally decent

[noble lantern]

i need to look into his main class

need to see how he initializes it cause im not having it as a dependency xD

[echo basalt]

it just does update checking

and initializes a new NPCLib instance

which registers some bukkit listeners?

kinda funky

[noble lantern]

yeah that part seems funky

i cant shade it in

[echo basalt]

only thing I don't trust are those HashMap<Player

[noble lantern]

it must be a provided scope

[echo basalt]

you can just rewrite that part

and shade the rest

[noble lantern]

i cant, cause his jar isnt open source

unless

[echo basalt]

by decompiling it and adding classes

[noble lantern]

i feel bad doing that

[echo basalt]

add a disclaimer at the top

Like I did with my skyblock code

[golden turret]

OMG

[echo basalt]

my version was just his code but like 90% stripped of its content lmao

[golden turret]

FINALLY I DID IT

[echo basalt]

ayy he did it

[noble lantern]

yeah im likely donnt strip most of it too

[echo basalt]

he got bitches

[noble lantern]

like scoreboard shit i dont need

holograms etc, i can all do it myself

[echo basalt]

I should get nitro

instead of nitro classic

[echo basalt]

just to boost this server and get emotes

[noble lantern]

classic doesnt get free boosts

[echo basalt]

yeah

I have classic

:/

5$/mo

[noble lantern]

well

you get discounted boosts

like 2$? i think

[hasty prawn]

You get 2 free ones too

[echo basalt]

sure yeah but is it really worth to pay 3$ less for half the benefits

[golden turret]

for me the classic is 1$/mo

[noble lantern]

thats the 10$ one

[golden turret]

5$ the full

[hasty prawn]

Yeah that's what he was talking about wasn't it

[echo basalt]

my ass

[noble lantern]

he has the classic

eg 5$

[quaint mantle]

Why not working?

[hasty prawn]

Yeah exactly so pay extra $5/mo for 2 free boosts

[noble lantern]

do getType().name()

Your trying to log an ItemStack

[echo basalt]

imagine speaking portuguese smh couldn't be me

[noble lantern]

bruh 250$

scam

[golden turret]

brl

[echo basalt]

250 BRL is like 50$

[noble lantern]

bruhhh

[noble lantern]

they gettin scammed

[quaint mantle]

In my country its 4$ for discord nitro boost LMFAO

[echo basalt]

an uber ride there is as low as like 80 cents

[noble lantern]

i wanna go to

[echo basalt]

no

[noble lantern]

uhh

[echo basalt]

you do not

you do not want to go to brazil

[hasty prawn]

[noble lantern]

Purto Rico

[echo basalt]

I've been on reddit like twice

[golden turret]

that is what I would pay

[noble lantern]

puerto rico 100$ buys you whole bar

[echo basalt]

I live in portugal, 100$ here gets you some mad bitches

[noble lantern]

seee

you get it

[hasty prawn]

I thought you meant like chocolate bar at first ngl

[echo basalt]

I once brought 20$ per school and the counselor yelled at me for carrying that much

[noble lantern]

[noble lantern]

LOL

[quaint mantle]

What is the method to check an specific nbt of an ItemStack?

[noble lantern]

its more complex

[echo basalt]

I was gonna buy a new keyboard after school :/

[noble lantern]

you need NMS

unless

it depends on what your trying to check?

What are you trying to check

[echo basalt]

xyproblem

[quaint mantle]

No

Im trying to find a specific item with specific nbt or anything

[noble lantern]

So if it just has any type of data at all attatched to it? no matter what?

[quaint mantle]

Its a nether star, just want to know THAT specific nether star, not any

[hasty prawn]

PDC

[quaint mantle]

Wym

[hasty prawn]

?pdc

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/a-guide-to-1-14-persistentdataholder-api.371200/

[quaint mantle]

This is what im lf

[noble lantern]

anyone hear from 7smile7 lately

[noble lantern]

PDC will work fine for that like dessie linked ^

[hasty prawn]

He comes and goes I think

[echo basalt]

haven't seen him in like 4 days

he's the only developer I look up to honestly

[hasty prawn]

There's a lot of smart ass people in here it's wild

[quaint mantle]

Is it good to work with datapacks and plugins at the same time?

[noble lantern]

yeah he definatly do

[hasty prawn]

I mean why would you

[quaint mantle]

Some things like nbt checks are easier

[noble lantern]

hes just too smart

[hasty prawn]

Seems overcomplicated

[noble lantern]

i bet he would of know the issue to my packet bs the other day

[hasty prawn]

It's better to stick to one of them honestly

[echo basalt]

He has a clear development mindset

I'm like 60% there

but the guy is a lot older than me as well so like

maybe it comes with age?

[hasty prawn]

Experience more than age

[noble lantern]

I just need a good math teacher

and im bitchin

[echo basalt]

I feel like we've been coding for a similar time

I first touched code like 12 years ago, been making plugins for like 5 years

[noble lantern]

isnt smile like

30ish?

[echo basalt]

smile is 28ish

So 10-11 years older than me

[vocal cloud]

It's all that bratwurst getting to him

[quaint mantle]

so i met this random who did state sells R$ 1000 (Roblox currency) for $2.7 USD

it's a trap, don't ever trust robux resellers

[noble lantern]

i-

[quaint mantle]

LOL?

U got no proof, also this is not a channel for this (a server for this neither) and u were the one trying to scam

[hasty prawn]

Sounds like something a Robox resale scammer would say

[noble lantern]

wait

[quaint mantle]

I got proof of him breaking rules of the roblox markets lmfao

[hasty prawn]

[noble lantern]

ayo

[drowsy helm]

yeah i did

[noble lantern]

maaaan

[drowsy helm]

I hve also found something AWESOME

[noble lantern]

took to late guys gone now

oh?

[noble lantern]

[drowsy helm]

what guy?

[noble lantern]

someone was having issues getting double layered skins working

did you get blinking seamless yet?

i assume you did since you said you had something awesome

[drowsy helm]

no i ahvent i went off on a tangent

[noble lantern]

oh

[drowsy helm]

let me get some screenshots

and ill show

[noble lantern]

kk

[drowsy helm]

Okay,
So with resourcepacks there is something you can use called "builtin/entity". Essentially it fetches the player's skin (or any skin for a mob but il using a player) and maps it to an item. They use it for player heads but i remodelled it for a flat 2D head.
Since the signature holding the player's head contains the ENTIRE 64x64 skin technically it's possible to show the ENTIRE skin. So pretty much i am rendering a 64x64 skin.
If i can figure out how to generate a texture base64 encode I can render any 64x64 image onto a texture

and in turn, can render textures without having to load them into a resourcepack!!!!

[noble lantern]

your just loading base64 directly right

remember servers have mojang api limits

[drowsy helm]

nah im not using api at all

[noble lantern]

damn then thats bitchin

[drowsy helm]

im just trying to figure out how to generate the base64 now

ik this has nothing to do with npcs but i wanted to share lol

[noble lantern]

no thats actually rly cool tho

if you get it working that can be game changing

[drowsy helm]

yeah hopefully it works seamlessly

[eternal oxide]

what issue are you having encoding?

[echo basalt]

pre-1.14 custom models?

👀

I made a paper fork to add custom models while keeping the 1.12 world format

[drowsy helm]

havent even touched encoding yet, still trying to figure out how the uv mapping works

[eternal oxide]

ah ok

[quaint mantle]

Any way to identify a item by certain nbt or unique thing (so i can diference X custom item from any other same item but default from minecraft) if possible w/youtube explain

[drowsy helm]

use pdc to set an id to the item

[quaint mantle]

Is there any pdc video?

[dusk flicker]

?pdc

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/a-guide-to-1-14-persistentdataholder-api.371200/

[noble lantern]

i should do a spigot plugin dev yt series

[echo basalt]

I could do one

with my thicc mf voice

[quaint mantle]

Fr do one

I will defo sub

[echo basalt]

"hello welcome to my youtube tutorial where we use colorful language against bad practices"

[drowsy helm]

yeah most of the ones online are horrible

[echo basalt]

"So, on our first tutorial, we'll talk about how to add a listener, and maybe custom mob AI via nms on 1.7.5"

[noble lantern]

[echo basalt]

then the video just suddenly ends midway

[noble lantern]

do ppl even watch plugin dev videos

[echo basalt]

I hope not

we should do a udemy course

like 2 devs together doing a single course

but one is very shitty and the other is top tier

[noble lantern]

just all of #help-development in a udemy course

[echo basalt]

yeah

[drowsy helm]

they definitely do

[noble lantern]

like just live stream it

[echo basalt]

just a 2 hour video slowly scrolling by every message

[drowsy helm]

i watch them sometimes on random shit

[noble lantern]

in a udemy course

[echo basalt]

actually

what if

[noble lantern]

i only watch videos if im desperate

[echo basalt]

we made a common issues forum type thing

where we just have a bunch of sections

and if you have a problem

you just go down through it

Think of a google drive folder

with like subfolders for players, entities, blocks, world, nms

and within each, we'd have like

nms/clientside/block

and a .txt file saying "blocks-disappear-when-right-click"

you click on it, and it shows the problem and the solution

we map all beginner mistakes

put it all on a platform

and charge 10$/mo

basically a text version of a udemy course

but folder-organized by type

[noble lantern]

would be better as like a pay to access archive site

[echo basalt]

it's basically spigotmc but without duplicate questions

[noble lantern]

and no freedom to ask questions

only asnwer questions

[echo basalt]

and hand-picked responses instead of guys just saying "nvm I figured it out lol"

[echo basalt]

there'll be a form where you pay 5$ to ask a question

if it's a duplicated question, we just link you the answer within 2 business days

and if it's a non-duplicated question, we ask on spigot lol

[noble lantern]

"How do are get name of item material"

[echo basalt]

and then we handpick the answer

[echo basalt]

[e-mail]

send txid

[noble lantern]

32864832193

plshelp

average customer in online support

[echo basalt]

Try Material#name(), so Material.APPLE returns "APPLE"

EXAMPLE

ItemStack item = player.getItemInHand();
Material itemType = item.getType();

String itemTypeName = itemType.name();
player.sendMessage("You are holding a(n) " + itemTypeName);

If you want to get a friendly name, you need to apply some formatting to the returned name ("APPLE" -> "Apple")
You can look into formatting text over here (point to tutorial explaining text formatting)

[noble lantern]

@Listener
public boolean onEvent(PlayerPickupItemEvent event) {
    System.out.println("You joined the server with " - Material.name().formatted(" ") - "!");
}

no work??

tf?

refund

[dusk flicker]

@Listener?

[noble lantern]

yes an my class extends EventListener

*average help question in this channel be like *

[echo basalt]

disconnects session

[noble lantern]

WAIT

LIVE CHAT SPIGOT DEV SUPPORT

[echo basalt]

5$

I actually do that with a friend or two

[noble lantern]

per 10 mins

[echo basalt]

there's always that 1mf that's like

"yo how do I do this"

then you answer

then they just say "do it for me pls"

so I charge them

[noble lantern]

lol i have friends dming me all the time like that xD

i get a fair trade off with one

he writes my sql statements

[echo basalt]

check dms

[noble lantern]

i write his futures

[compact haven]

I have a brilliant idea

instead of a subscription model for live spigot dev support

you charge per question

[echo basalt]

500$ per question

but others get the answers too

[compact haven]

it'll encourage them to spend a minute on Google

[echo basalt]

who's gonna be the robin hood mf

[compact haven]

which'll easily solve their problem

instead of bothering us!

[echo basalt]

terrible business idea but at least I don't need therapy anymore

[compact haven]

exactly

[echo basalt]

easy way to save 70$

all we need to do is spend 200 hours of our life making a website

[noble lantern]

hey if this becomes a thing we might get some actual good questions in here one day

[echo basalt]

we just link them to the site

and threaten their families if they don't pay

[noble lantern]

200 hours isnt bad

[ivory sleet]

Lol

[noble lantern]

i could ez do a backend

[echo basalt]

how about that

conclure taking notes at the back

[noble lantern]

on god

invis mode and all too

[echo basalt]

what if

we do some cheeky stuff

[compact haven]

3 months later
"Live Spigot Support by Conclure"

[echo basalt]

and make the customers

link their paypal accounst

so we can take money directly from them

instead of making them pay manually each time

[compact haven]

legally tho

[noble lantern]

chill out facebook

[compact haven]

put it in the ToS

[ivory sleet]

Lmao I wish I had the guts to

[compact haven]

"we have the right to charge you for any questions asked on our live support platform"

[echo basalt]

like how uber does payments

you just link the account

and any time you ask a question

you automatically get billed

and any time you don't ask a question

[noble lantern]

"Sorry first question was 5$ after that subsequent questions are 400$ you should of read tos"

[echo basalt]

you get billed as well

[echo basalt]

those 0.1px characters said so!

you need an 8k monitor to see them

but

they're there

[noble lantern]

exactly

therefore legal

[echo basalt]

why are sleep deprived ideas so good lmao

[noble lantern]

i love how this turned to a legitimate cool community idea to help people

and then turn to a total pyramid scheme

in the matter of 5 mins

[echo basalt]

like

it'd be good tho

we make the idea

[noble lantern]

it would

[echo basalt]

what if

we made like

a 10$ access pass

for nms

[noble lantern]

nukes in minecraft

oh

[echo basalt]

so everything is free

but if you have nms questions

you pay 10$ once

[noble lantern]

how about

[echo basalt]

the catch is

[compact haven]

people would genuinely pay for knowledgeable developers in live support

[echo basalt]

we make all the tutorials rely on nms

[noble lantern]

4$ for NMS, 4$ for packets 4$ for external ibs

10$ access pass for all

[echo basalt]

"want to spawn an entity? use nms"

[echo basalt]

10$ for nms, 10$ for packets, 20$ for each external lib because luckperms decided to make a complex lib

or

a 5$ monthly subscription

[noble lantern]

20$ for luckperms specifically

and world edit

and world guard

and essentialsx

[echo basalt]

20$ for luckperms, 20$ for worldedit, 30$ for fawe

[compact haven]

tf

essentialsx who the hell

depending on their api

it's shit

[echo basalt]

their code is absolute garbage so

we charge extra

[noble lantern]

^^

ohoh

and every version under 1.19

major and minor

+5$

[echo basalt]

100$ for a basic tutorial on how to read obfuscated code (nms)

[drowsy helm]

I am being haunted

[noble lantern]

imma be honest

thats not it fam

[compact haven]

honestly that sounds like a you problem

[noble lantern]

too creepy

[drowsy helm]

lmao

[compact haven]

you're interrupting our planning

[noble lantern]

my first time i messed with packets

[compact haven]

with nonsense

[echo basalt]

we're just scheming the next bitcoin here

[noble lantern]

i accidentally spawned an allay

instead of a player

[drowsy helm]

apologies, continue

[echo basalt]

first time I messed with clientside entities I crashed my client for 9 hours straight

then managed to spawn an item that would float up by itself

[noble lantern]

im so proud

ive only crashed my client once this week

[echo basalt]

then wasted another 2 hours to figure out I had to sent a 0,0,0 velocity packet

[noble lantern]

💀

dont send it dingus

[echo basalt]

I was sending item metadata to a pig entity

[noble lantern]

LOL

[echo basalt]

because nms didn't follow wiki.vg and decided to hold its entitytype inside the packet but serialize the type id

and I thought protocollib relied exclusively on wiki.vg and not nms

[noble lantern]

ngl why tf isnt the mc client try catching

[compact haven]

I think it's the other way around

https://tenor.com/bbCnG.gif

[echo basalt]

so I was like

writeInt(1, typeId)

[noble lantern]

"Oh this packets invalid? New runtime exception it is"

[echo basalt]

instead of writeEntityType(0, EntityType.ITEM)

[noble lantern]

mc should do what rust does

and shot packet errors in top left

[compact haven]

wiki.vg isn't guaranteed to be accurate

it's community sourced sadly

[noble lantern]

wiki vg is innacurate asf most times

its just to give you a decent idea

anyone play with the new chat packet shit yet

to block reporting

(other than u kacper)

[drowsy helm]

whats diff about them?

[noble lantern]

supposubly theres a boolean in a packet you can send

[compact haven]

signed & preview

[noble lantern]

and it totally disables the chat reporting

like secureChatEnabled or some shit

[compact haven]

yes, but the client shows a warning next to every message

[noble lantern]

oh

didnt know that

uhm just Bukkit.broadcastMessage() each message

ez

[compact haven]

ehm

that'll also show the warning xd

[quaint mantle]

Can someone send me the thing to put colors?

Like the &3

[noble lantern]

dont send the packet

[quaint mantle]

But not the & the other

[noble lantern]

cant report players message if they didnt send the message now can they

[quaint mantle]

This

[compact haven]

ah yes

[noble lantern]

ChatColors.translateAlternateChatCodes('&', aStringHere);

i may have scuffed that method name

auto complete will finish it for u

[quaint mantle]

Im using it for meta.setDisplayName()

[noble lantern]

yes

[quaint mantle]

Not chat

[noble lantern]

that method will color your string with &

[drowsy helm]

doesnt need to be for chat

it works with anything

[noble lantern]

^^

[upper vale]

*ColorCodes

not ChatCodes iirc

[quaint mantle]

So why i dont do ChatColors.RED + "string" and nothing

[noble lantern]

ChatColors i put i thought

[drowsy helm]

no its ChatColor

[quaint mantle]

.

[noble lantern]

yeh i did put CHatColors, but same thing

[upper vale]

I was referring to the method

translateAlternateColorCodes

[noble lantern]

OHH

[drowsy helm]

because that makes your strings like 10x longer

you can if you want

[quaint mantle]

How

[noble lantern]

idk the exact name its such a long name for a method lol

why can it just be translate()

[quaint mantle]

Oh for the conc

Ye but idk cuz its short string

[dusk flicker]

I always use a util method for translate color codes. dont have to type all of that plus the extra argument for &

[drowsy helm]

Util.color(String)

[echo basalt]

found a vid

[drowsy helm]

ez

and static import

[dusk flicker]

CC.translate for me

[drowsy helm]

so all you have to do is color(String)

[dusk flicker]

CC does a lot more tbh lol

[noble lantern]

yep same

i do textOf as a wrapper

or just of()

[quaint mantle]

NamespacedKey key = new NamespacedKey(pluginInstance, "our-custom-key"); whats the custom key?

[dusk flicker]

anything you want

[quaint mantle]

K, it needs to be unique right?

[dusk flicker]

should be

doesnt need to be insane, but shouldn't repeat

ex minecraft:dirt and minecraft:grass

[quaint mantle]

And whats pluginInstance?

[dusk flicker]

your plugin instance

aka your main class

[quaint mantle]

tf is plugin instance?

Oh

Even if i am not running it from my main class?

[dusk flicker]

yep

you will use a singleton or DI to get access to it

[quaint mantle]

So...

[dusk flicker]

?di

[undone axle]

Guide to dependency injection: https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/using-dependency-injection/

[quaint mantle]

"com.yosoykute.plugin.kadete.kadete"? @dusk flicker

[dusk flicker]

no idea if we have a singleton example

no

upload your main class into a paste

?paste

[undone axle]

https://paste.md-5.net/

[dusk flicker]

it'll be something like MainClass.getInstance() if its a singleton

[quaint mantle]

My main class u mean the class where i have like onEnable()?

[dusk flicker]

yes

[quaint mantle]

https://pastebin.com/HFXyRHUs

[dusk flicker]

do we seriously not have a wiki article on singletons?

[echo basalt]

singletons suck so obviously not

[quaint mantle]

Idk

[dusk flicker]

oh well

read this @quaint mantle

?di

[undone axle]

Guide to dependency injection: https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/using-dependency-injection/

[noble lantern]

man fuck npcs

are drug plugins allowed on spigot

[dusk flicker]

Its a good guide into it by Conclure/LMBishop/imajin and myself

[dusk flicker]

I dont think premium ones are

?premium

[undone axle]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/premium-resource-guidelines.31667/

[noble lantern]

Wouldnt be premium

MIT + free

[dusk flicker]

yeah not premium, I think free is fine

good question for optic

[noble lantern]

i wonder if the new chat rules tho

are against it

hm

[dusk flicker]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

probably

[noble lantern]

maaayne

i need a good plugin idea

[river oracle]

Just package a chat report disabled with it

[noble lantern]

Yes but Im not sure if like

the server could be reported

then blacklisted from clients

[dusk flicker]

paper 1.19.1 out

[noble lantern]

like i assume servers arent immune to the new chat rules

[river oracle]

I'd think they are

[noble lantern]

pog

[river oracle]

But who knows

[noble lantern]

new enchant plugin?

[quaint mantle]

This should be done?

[echo basalt]

premium plugins aren't that good

[subtle folio]

best way of keeping the normal chat format but removing signing and all that bungus

[echo basalt]

got no sales in the past like month

[dusk flicker]

oo new chunk system interesting
I cant tell if Paper wants this chat reporting system or not, saying that they might not allow people talking about disabling it in their discord

[echo basalt]

but at the same time my stupid ass forgot to link the paypal email

and there has been no buy button

[noble lantern]

they prolly do

paper hates freedom

if you say paper is bad in there i bet you get banned

meanwhile in here

[dusk flicker]

oh guarantee I would

[noble lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/spigotmoment-spigot-moment-fuck-you-spigot-fuck-spigot-gif-16741491

jkilyspigot

[echo basalt]

spigot 🤡

[noble lantern]

chad spigot

[quaint mantle]

Done?

[noble lantern]

chad helpchat

[noble lantern]

not really

[dusk flicker]

needs to be a plugin instance

not a string

[noble lantern]

^

[quaint mantle]

IK

But idk how to do it

[noble lantern]

and needs to insert into container then update item meta

[quaint mantle]

Im bad af at reading docs

[dusk flicker]

read the wiki

[echo basalt]

something I wonder about

[noble lantern]

imma go through premium resources and just make it better for free i think thats a fun idea

[echo basalt]

what if we had a convention where minecraft devs met up

like minecon exists

but it went digital

🤔

like we'd have a 7smile shrine obviously

[drowsy helm]

fuck you mojang

[quaint mantle]

Better?

[dusk flicker]

guess what

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/✨-antipopup-disable-chat-safety-popup-✨.103782/

boom

[drowsy helm]

why not use a a String?

[noble lantern]

LMFAO

[drowsy helm]

yooo

nice

[quaint mantle]

Wym

[noble lantern]

i love how people have this shit just ready

[quaint mantle]

In the container?

[noble lantern]

in mere minutes

[drowsy helm]

for the id

not a double

[dusk flicker]

Kacper got it done lol

[quaint mantle]

Idk, the docs has that example

[drowsy helm]

yeah you can change it

you dont ahve to copy it 1:1

[echo basalt]

I'll make a version that uses ProtocolLib

[quaint mantle]

Ik but anyways why using an string?

[echo basalt]

So that we don't have to shade packetevents and have a whole 2mb

[noble lantern]

he was on this shit like 7 hours ago 💀

he was talking in here telling us about the new packet

[drowsy helm]

the same reason minecraft moved from numbered ids to named ones

[echo basalt]

I just need someone to make the thread design

[quaint mantle]

Huh

Cuz there was too many items for the ids?

[drowsy helm]

no it sucks

who wants to remember millions of numbers

[quaint mantle]

I do remember all till they changed

[compact haven]

lmao it tells Mojang it uses secure chat, but then goes ahead and removes the signatures from each message

[dusk flicker]

its gonna get fixed

Kacper is talking to retrooper to have packet events not shade adventure which will basically cut it inhalf

[echo basalt]

that's still a lot

[quaint mantle]

Like this better?

[echo basalt]

thing is it's a 1.19+ thing

[dusk flicker]

but yeah I still agree

[noble lantern]

could literally use remapped 1.19.1

i thought he was using that ngl

[drowsy helm]

yes 🙂

good naming convention?

[echo basalt]

Yes

looks solid

maybe remove a word

Chat

[drowsy helm]

StupidPopupPacketListener?

yeah

[worldly ingot]

(1) Nothing to do with freedom
(2) Spigot chat messages are signed now too? 1.19.0 didn't because API was uncertain, but .1 messages are signed and reportable as far as I can tell

[quaint mantle]

@dusk flicker

[noble lantern]

nono wasnt about the update itself

it was the talks about disabling it

that i was mentioning

someone mentioned paper wasnt allowing the talk about it in theyre discord

[worldly ingot]

And we're going to strongly discourage it as much as we do with offline servers

We don't ban for it, but we're going to tell you to knock it off

[compact haven]

the option to disable it is given by Mojang

[full cargo]

is there a particle spawn event? working on an ozone layer damage thing

[compact haven]

I mean so is offline mode, but like it's clearly intended to be allowed given they've coded a popup and everything

[echo basalt]

I mean

there are already mods like Gaslight

[compact haven]

I wonder if the popup & warning is removable by enforcing a resource pack

https://tenor.com/bbCnG.gif

[echo basalt]

or a plugin on the server

[compact haven]

well that's been done already

anyways, we'll see how Mojang takes care of this reporting system

[worldly ingot]

v1 doesn't work, v2 isn't relevant because it falsifies reports

[compact haven]

it'll probably be severely backed up or ban people for absolute nonsense

or both

[full cargo]

nvm i gotta use protocollib

[worldly ingot]

Severely backed up: You make it seem like Mojang isn't aware they have millions of daily active users
Bans for nothing: They stated they're only banning in extreme cases and until proven (keyword, proven) otherwise, this point holds no merit

[echo basalt]

That's literally the point

[dusk flicker]

Just because they say something doesn't mean its gonna happen exactly like they say it will

[worldly ingot]

Just because you say something doesn't mean it's going to happen either

[dusk flicker]

I would be very surprised if there aren't a vast amount of false bans

[worldly ingot]

You cannot prove a fucking negative

[compact haven]

ehm so what if they know how many people play the game? You've never seen an large company overwhelmed by tickets?

[echo basalt]

mojang said there'd be no changes with account migration yet the EULA changed tons

[quaint mantle]

Done?

[echo basalt]

most of the recent changes are kid-oriented

because mojang doesn't realize that their playerbase is aging

[worldly ingot]

right because children aren't ever born and introduced to the game

[echo basalt]

They are

[compact haven]

and once again choco:
"anyways, we'll see how Mojang takes care of this reporting system"
"it'll probably be severely backed up or ban people for absolute nonsense"

[echo basalt]

System seems to already be live, we'll see how it goes from here

[compact haven]

so as in to your extremely defensive comment, I'm not trying to make a proven statement

[echo basalt]

The choice to make your server mojang-proof is always there

[compact haven]

my messages clearly hinted that I'm only guessing what might happen (with background being other games with reporting systems)

[quaint mantle]

"we're not gonna change anything about the minecraft you know 🤓" laughts in microsoft adding the report system

[compact haven]

plus, chat messages don't show the whole story

[worldly ingot]

I've been reading and responding to some of the most brain-dead comments over the last couple weeks and it's exhausting informing person after person that they won't be banned for saying "night", that adding a toggle for this completely defeats the purpose of it, that you won't get banned for swearing, and that you're going to literally be perfectly fine if you just play the game like you have been for the last 10+ years

[compact haven]

nor is an employee looking at reports going to spend ages trying to understand context (especially if they don't have the whole story)

[worldly ingot]

Until you have verifiable proof that this system is not working, raise your concerns, but don't propagate misinformation

[compact haven]

they'll just make a decision, ban or not, which won't affect them at all

[worldly ingot]

and if they can't determine context, they will not act

Again... this is for extreme cases

[sleek turret]

Are you certain of this?

[echo basalt]

I honestly don't care if it's for saying "night" or extremely bad stuff

[compact haven]

who the hell is propagating misinformation, I literally made an opinion (which was definitely not passed as fact) on the situation

[echo basalt]

Minecraft is a sandbox game and sandboxes are often associated with freedom

[worldly ingot]

Yes

[echo basalt]

The community doesn't like being restricted to certain rules

as relaxed as they may be

[worldly ingot]

When the rules are "Don't be racist, don't be a bigot, and don't prey on kids", that's not a restriction. That's being a decent human being

[echo basalt]

There are servers like 2b2t that will absolutely be shaken by the system

[noble lantern]

Choco, do you know if server messages are immune to the chat reporting? EG if a plugin like so: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/ultimate-drugs-v2.49468/

Were sending messages? Genuine questions as im not entirely sure and cant find information on it

[worldly ingot]

Good

They fester

[worldly ingot]

System messages are not reportable

It has no player to attribute to. You can't ban a server

[compact haven]

sure you can, they have before

[dusk flicker]

I mean, they could

they have

[compact haven]

there's a hash list of blacklisted server ips

[noble lantern]

But say a server had a plugin like so, that had excplicit content like so

Would they add it to the server to the client blacklist ?

[echo basalt]

Also there's another thing

[worldly ingot]

Different system, different rules. This is the CUG

[echo basalt]

minecraft uses SHA1 hashes

which aren't that secure anymore

[worldly ingot]

Doubtful. That blacklist is for the CUG. Also unrelated to chat reporting

[echo basalt]

unless reports specifically use SHA256 or something similar

[worldly ingot]

If the CUG or EULA has something that says "no drugs", you have that plugin installed, and someone reports your server, it'll probably get blacklisted. But again, unrelated system

That's been the case since the introduction of the CUG

[noble lantern]

But, it wouldn't be improbable that servers are susceptible to being banned for chat-related issues?

No rules against those specific things are in EULA that i remember

drug based servers been around a while large ones too

[worldly ingot]

Then the theoretical server should be fine

[dusk flicker]

Obviously for the major stuff, sure I get but the biggest problem I see with this is context and what people mean by shit. Theres such a small line (in certain cases) between messing with a friend with some toxicity to bullying, which is something they mention in their post about the report system. Context / emotion is everything that is horrible to show in messages, and I doubt they will take the time to sift through and figure everything out

[noble lantern]

And how could one handle players discussing items in the plugin? I assume having to use referances

like W or C or some other word

like sugar or cactus dye or some shiz

[worldly ingot]

Your friend is not going to report you, and if your bantering between friends contains being racist, you should not be doing that publicly on a server. Emotion plays no part in what Mojang wants to ban for

[compact haven]

I've had a friend go up to an administrator of the school and report someone because they were mad at something else they did, so that is definitely not the case

[quaint mantle]

Done?