help-server

[urban mist]

At least you can update server now

[dense ember]

well no LOL only solutien breaks all shops

is strong econemy sever i need ze shops

[oblique sun]

dont go on 1.17?

[dense ember]

im not fallin 4 it anymor 🤣

[oblique sun]

just switch back to 1.16.5

[dense ember]

i am on 1.16 rolf dis is just a test/update rehersal sever

[oblique sun]

k but now you know u shouldnt update since its not gonna work if you do

[dense ember]

told u im not fallin 4 it 🤣 yall jus sayin taht 2 keep ppl from updatin

[oblique sun]

lol

[dense ember]

51 out of 53 plogens work jus fine

jus shops & imageonmap

[gentle egret]

hi i use scoreboard revision but it shows half from the server ip and my prefix

can someone help?

[silk comet]

i just got trolled guys from deluxehub

[glad rain]

why me ‽

@silk comet

[silk comet]

becuase you onlyone here

[glad rain]

tf

[silk comet]

only one*

[tawny dust]

Did you forget the bungee placeholder extension

[azure storm]

😔

[silk comet]

no i dwonloaded placeholder api

[glad rain]

only papi or papi with the extension

[silk comet]

wth is papi

[glad rain]

PlaceholderAPI

dumbo

[keen parcel]

How do i reopen an issue in the Jira

I reported it and someone marked it as resolved and recommended I do additional testing, which I did. But I can't reopen the issue

[silk comet]

what do i put then here i delete it

@tawny dust

[tawny dust]

?

[silk comet]

what do i put there

[tawny dust]

Just remove it if you don't want it

[silk comet]

i want it it look cool

pls tell me

[tawny dust]

And what is cool

[silk comet]

cool is col

[verbal fulcrum]

bro when is paper gonna update there 1.17

its still in experimental

[tawny dust]

Wrong discord

Also Spigot 1.17 is still experimental so have patience

[jolly oar]

Oh, I thought Spigot 1.17 was stable.

[prisma garnet]

who said that 😂

[marble crown]

hi, so anyone willing to help me fix the java issue when trying to create a 1.17 spigot server 😃

[spiral cradle]

update your java

[marble crown]

its updated fully

[hallow rover]

no, it is not

[hallow rover]

that is java 8, you need 16

16 > 8

[marble crown]

so it doesnt work if i click on update

[chrome compass]

does anyone know a plugin that lets you restrict use of admin items? like barrier blocks? just incase some leak out

[hallow rover]

?java16

[magic zenith]

Install Java 16 at https://adoptopenjdk.net/?variant=openjdk16&jvmVariant=hotspot

[hallow rover]

i think essentialsxantibuild does this

in the config

configurable banned blocks

[marble crown]

Thanks man i think it worked now, but i get this message:

[spiral cradle]

it's ok

[hallow rover]

build another spigot jar w/ buildtools

[marble crown]

thanks man

[hallow rover]

np

[marble crown]

is there a way to have just the cmd console open?

is it the nogui thing

[hallow rover]

yea

[jaunty spruce]

i have a minecraft server with aternos and i have a few plugins (bukkit and spigot)
i have a plugin that does /dual
the only problem is it requires admin/moderator
is there a way to change what commands require moderator?

[spiral cradle]

use a perms plugin like
https://luckperms.net

[jaunty spruce]

thanks

[sudden loom]

is there any limitation of how many rows scoreboard can have?

[hybrid pebble]

I have 4 gigs of ram but the tps are constantly low and the ram usage is about 1 - 2 gigs. How can I fix this?

[oblique sun]

yes

i think its like 20 or 25 actually it might be 16 idk or like 20

including the title i think it counts the title to

also length in text got extended in 1.13+

but below that i think it was like 16 characters XD

[west cloak]

How do I fix this? https://paste.md-5.net/isujulosey.sql

[oblique sun]

add the flag --illegal-access=permit

after the java

in your startup command

[west cloak]

cant

[oblique sun]

why

[west cloak]

im using pterodactyl

[oblique sun]

f

then you cant use reflection

remove your reflection

[west cloak]

but it happens when i join

[oblique sun]

well tough luck if you cant enable a flag

then theres nothing we can do

other than stop using java 16 and 1.17

[west cloak]

the server crashes

?

[oblique sun]

dont use 1.17

[west cloak]

1.16

[oblique sun]

and go to older java

[west cloak]

cant

pterodactyl

[oblique sun]

well in java 16 ...

reflection doesnt really work

without the flag

also i believe it cant set final field anymore

so why are u even trying to change a final field its final for a reason?

[west cloak]

wait

will java 11 work?

[oblique sun]

ye

it should

[west cloak]

oh

i can use it

[oblique sun]

make sure ur not using 1.17 on your server cuz that requires java 16

[west cloak]

im using 1.16

[oblique sun]

k java 11 should work

[sudden loom]

i think it's 16 for 1.8.8

[oblique sun]

im sure its 16 for all versions

i dont think they ever updated it

the title might not count

idk if it does or not

[keen parcel]

16 works for all versions I believe. I'd recommend updating to it so you can run 1.17 and any version that came before it

[tawny dust]

Not all versions work with Java 16

[oblique sun]

yeah but i think the character limit was really low on versions lower than 1.13

[tawny dust]

1.8.8 1.12.2 1.16.5 1.17 work fine though

[oblique sun]

i set something to false and java 11 worked with 1.8.8

[tawny dust]

11 is not 16

[oblique sun]

ik but i think it would of worked with 16 to

i havent tested it tho

[limpid wolf]

so what is pterodactyl

[oblique sun]

a thing

[sudden loom]

Not char limit

rows llimit

[sudden loom]

pterodactyl.io

[oblique sun]

no there was a char limit it was updated to more

[tawny dust]

^^

[oblique sun]

https://pterodactyl.io/

[sudden loom]

ye but i want some more rows :D

[tawny dust]

Not possible

[sudden loom]

ik ik :D

[oblique sun]

unless u made a custom client lol

to support more rows

[sudden loom]

for Server :o

but idk java :D

[oblique sun]

@tawny dust is scoreboard client sided?

[sudden loom]

yes

its like both Cliend and Sevrer too

[oblique sun]

i think it gets its info from the server but i think it is client sided

so you would need a custom minecraft client to add more rows to scoreboard

[sudden loom]

do i need like servers for client to run?

[oblique sun]

?

[sudden loom]

i may use open source client and remake it

[oblique sun]

idk

maybe just use less rows?

or maybe animate the scoreboard

[sudden loom]

do i need separate servers like dedis vpses for client to run

[oblique sun]

to switch to different ones

like every 10 seconds

[sudden loom]

:o ur smart so smart my guy

[tawny dust]

Well ofcourse it's rendered on the client

[sudden loom]

but gets info from srv

r8?

[tawny dust]

Yeah

[oblique sun]

yeah i think the server sends the packets but since the scoreboard is rendered client side the limit is on the client itself and not the server

[sudden loom]

ye idk was r8

less go find open source client :DD

[oblique sun]

the server can send as many rows as it wants but the client would only render a fixed amount

[tawny dust]

Don't think there is one

You can make mods though

[oblique sun]

there probs isnt

[sudden loom]

to support more rows?

[oblique sun]

cuz i dont know if your allowed to distribute mc code lol

[tawny dust]

Well the Prismarine project is the closest you're going to get

[tawny dust]

You're not allowed. Which is why BuildTools exist

[sudden loom]

or Hyperium

[oblique sun]

thats nms not nm

is it the same with that

the client code you know

[tawny dust]

Nms is mc code

[sudden loom]

what's Buildtools

[tawny dust]

Which is created by mojang

[oblique sun]

no thats the server code

[tawny dust]

Which is still mc code

[oblique sun]

im talking about the client code

[oblique sun]

well yeah but im talking about the client code

[tawny dust]

The fact that you don't know worries me... where did you get your spigot jar

[oblique sun]

@sudden loom i know a thing that generates code but your not allowed to distribute any code generated by it its called mcp reborn

[sudden loom]

on spigot

[tawny dust]

Illegal site okay

[oblique sun]

he probs downloads his server g etbukkit

[tawny dust]

Yeah

[sudden loom]

The how are yo gonna explain Lunar Badlion and Laby

[sudden loom]

wdym Illegal

[oblique sun]

its not illegal downloading from there...

but its illegal what they are doing

they dont even update there jars anyway lol

[oblique sun]

g etbukkit is doing illegal stuff

[sudden loom]

get.buk.it i think

[sudden loom]

wot

[oblique sun]

yep

[sudden loom]

i was always using that

[oblique sun]

they are distributing nms which is not allowed

[oblique sun]

u use

[magic zenith]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/

[oblique sun]

to get the jars

[sudden loom]

i just type Spigot download and i click first link

neevr heard of illegal about g et b u kkit

[oblique sun]

but it is slower tho... since it actually uses your computer to build the jar

[oblique sun]

well they are doing illegal things

they are distributing nms

which is illegal

i wonder how they havent gotten shutdown yet

[sudden loom]

hmm i thaught it was like the MAIN download page....

[oblique sun]

nope

[tawny dust]

Mojang are quite bad at enforcing their EULA and stuff

[sudden loom]

where u get .jars

[oblique sun]

well dont get it there anymore

there jars are outdated anyway

[sudden loom]

where i can get jar tho ;D

[tawny dust]

Try reading

[fallow gust]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/jenkins/job/BuildTools/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/target/BuildTools.jar

[sudden loom]

that's r8

im dumb

sorry

[azure thunder]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/jenkins/job/BuildTools/

"Last Successful Artifacts"

[oblique sun]

or if your on windows you could use bat @echo off IF NOT EXIST BuildTools ( mkdir BuildTools ) cd BuildTools curl -z BuildTools.jar -o BuildTools.jar https://hub.spigotmc.org/jenkins/job/BuildTools/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/target/BuildTools.jar set /p Input=Enter the version: || set Input=latest java -jar BuildTools.jar --rev %Input% pause

[sudden loom]

okay got how to get .jar

[fallow gust]

fam really 🚫 my response

[tawny dust]

?bt

[magic zenith]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/

[fallow gust]

when the link is just straight from the documentation

[tawny dust]

Please read

[sudden loom]

just haver too run this

?

[oblique sun]

you gotta run java -jar BuildTools.jar --rev version

[sudden loom]

okay okay that's too much info

imma read

[oblique sun]

yeah if you do that it will download buildtools automatically and then it will ask what version you want to build

[sudden loom]

okay Gotchya

[oblique sun]

and then it will do some shit

and then you should get your jar in 5 mins it depends how good your pc is

i have a shit pc

[sudden loom]

okayy

[oblique sun]

and it takes like 5 mins

[sudden loom]

same here

:/

[oblique sun]

lol

[sudden loom]

wow didnt knew g et bu k kit was doing that i was always using that

like from the start

[oblique sun]

well yeah its kinda hard to notice

i used to use it but after i found out they are doing illegal stuff and not even updating the jars i just stopped using it

[sudden loom]

i've never heard that bu k k it was doint that

[oblique sun]

well its cuz not everyone knows about it

[sudden loom]

i always use 1.8.8 or latest

[sudden loom]

yup

[oblique sun]

the only people is mostly the whole people in the spigot community

who knows dont download from there

i still think spigot should use paperclip

where it builds on the fly

and so when u run the jar it does everything it needs to do

patching the mc server jar and everything

[sudden loom]

no i only use spigot for 1.8.8 and paper for latesst :D

[oblique sun]

its much faster to lol

paper uses paperclip lol

[tawny dust]

Yeah md5 doesn't like that approach

[sudden loom]

md5 is best

[oblique sun]

i think he should atleast try and make buildtools a little faster lol

[tawny dust]

It's fast enough

[fallow gust]

^^

[oblique sun]

not really

[tawny dust]

It is though

[oblique sun]

paperclip takes like 30 seconds and then buildtools takes like 5 mins

[fallow gust]

paperclip is not build tools

they do very different things

[oblique sun]

yeah but it still patches?

[fallow gust]

yes, but to do so the paper team distributes binary patches of software they do not own which is a bit of a gray area

concerning what a binary patch contains

it is a single patch tho

paperclip is basically just a jar containing a launcher and a huge diff against the vanilla mojang jar

[oblique sun]

not for me cuz it takes like 5 mins

[fallow gust]

5 mins is too slow ??

[tawny dust]

5min isn't long

[oblique sun]

yes

[oblique sun]

yes it is

[fallow gust]

oh boy I hope you don't ever work in large scale IT companies then

[tawny dust]

^^

[fallow gust]

normal pipelines take a lot longer

you are also only running this once

after that you have your jar

[oblique sun]

yeah but i dont want to wait 5 mins just to run a test server to make a plugins or something

[oblique sun]

well yeah but i dont want to wait 5 mins

first time

i get bored waiting doing nothing for 5 mins

[fallow gust]

start working on the projects ? idk man, 5 mins is really not a long time.

not like you build the jar from scratch every time you create a new server

you can very much copy the build jar

[oblique sun]

i will have to if i need to update to a newer build

[fallow gust]

or if you are feeling it, how about setting up your own private build pipeline

that just compiles the final jar

as long as your don't distribute that is very much possible

[oblique sun]

idk i just dont feel like waiting 5 mins to build a jar

[fallow gust]

and if you are really into that speed, get a better machine. A build with already decompiled vanilla takes my machine 42 seconds

[oblique sun]

i cant get a better machine yet tho

i dont have any money

[fallow gust]

then maybe dial down your expectation of projects maintained for free online or switch to the competitor that only takes 30 seconds using paperclip

[oblique sun]

i probs will but the only reason i used spigot is cuz it updates like really quickly XD

ik paper is a fork of spigot but i mean it took like a 2-3 extra weeks after spigot release and they have like a whole dev team

[west cloak]

yeah, only like 500+ patches

[fallow gust]

seems easy to do, smh who needs 2-3 weeks for that

async chunk loading, completely new message/text system

bah, I'd have that done in 3 days max

[oblique sun]

idk but its been 2-3 weeks and they only released test builds for 1.17 XD

i mean i wouldnt use 1.17 yet

but i mean still its quite along time

[fallow gust]

its. its a community maintained project. like

the developers have lifes besides paper

they have work

and 500+ patches is a very strong understatement of how many patches they have. More around 700 for the server and 500 for the API

[oblique sun]

lol

yeh but spigot is 1 developer

and it didnt take them long to do it?

[fallow gust]

that was able to start upgrading to 1.17 from the first few snapshots

spigot only depends on vanilla

spigotcraft was even on snapshots afaik

paper could literally not start until spigot released their first 1.17 build

[oblique sun]

ik that but i mean it didnt take spigot long from vanilla to release

im talking about it took along time after spigot released

[fallow gust]

that was able to start upgrading to 1.17 from the first few snapshots

[oblique sun]

spigot doesnt have snapshots?

[fallow gust]

not official ones

[west cloak]

they did have to also wait until spigot finished, spigot had a headstart

[fallow gust]

that is the entire point

[west cloak]

yeah, this

[fallow gust]

spigot develops internally on snapshot builds

that might or might not work

but they have a great head start

paper can only sit around and cry until spigot released their first official 1.17 build

[oblique sun]

yeah but it took more than a week after spigot released

[fallow gust]

FAM

are you mental?

spigot probably had a "working" version of minecraft 1.17-pre

[oblique sun]

yeah but they have like more than 1 dev so i thought it would be atleast take 1 week after spigot

[fallow gust]

because it gets to update itself to each snapshot

idk man, either you are the most productive man on this planet and everyone elses workspeed is just slowmotion to you or your sense of software development as a hole is delusional

[oblique sun]

nah i just thought it be released pretty quickly after 1.17 spigot cuz they had more devs

[fallow gust]

You know how much has changed in the background right ?

the concept of all of NMS now being obfuscated again

the paper team changed their entire build workflow for this release

cut them some slack

[oblique sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[west cloak]

same with forge, they have to change a shit ton of build related stuff

granted its not exactly the same thing

but still

[oblique sun]

forge 1.17 isnt even out YET LOL

[west cloak]

my point lmao

[oblique sun]

but fabric released 1.17 pretty quick?

[fallow gust]

they also worked on each snapshot

[west cloak]

Can one run a spigot server off an AWS EC2 server?

you can, but probably shouldnt

what would make you say no

or like, why would that be discouraged

[oblique sun]

dont think so

it might be possible

but probs really slow

and might crash alot

[west cloak]

I see

[oblique sun]

and maybe not even 3 players

with plugins

[west cloak]

Heyyy!! Does somone know, how to add this as a dependecie? https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/✅-theapi-✅-1-7-10-latest.72679/

[oblique sun]

a s k on there discord

[west cloak]

oh its possible, ive done it many times, but the performance is crap

how bad we talking

is an upgrade to higher level servers not possible?

[oblique sun]

also isnt ec2 really limited

[west cloak]

I'm just trying to figure out a low-cost alternative

ec2 free tier is, you get get pretty beefy instances but they're not really designed for gaming

[west cloak]

you would be better off with like ovh, someother vps host, or a game host

gotchya

[oblique sun]

valknet?

3.5gb ram for free

i think

[west cloak]

I don't need "free", I just don't want to be paying $200 a month for a server like I was before

I don't need a whole box to myself, I just need 12 gigs ram & a decent processor

[oblique sun]

well there is plans

[west cloak]

I'll check it otu

[oblique sun]

@west cloak heres the store https://store.valknet.org/

theres a 50% sale going on rn lol

i think

i heard theres gonna be some downtime soon

yeah on july 4th

[prisma garnet]

still a sus company

[west cloak]

imagine being forced to join their discord

[oblique sun]

its gonna go down for one day to figure bills and stuff for it

[oblique sun]

i think soon it might not be like that but idk

[west cloak]

sus

[oblique sun]

its just rn to make accounts and things u need to be on there support discord

[prisma garnet]

you want to use a company that considers their purchases donations and limits you very harshly on what kind of community you can run and even what kind of private community you can run?

[oblique sun]

they changed the tos

[prisma garnet]

still is considered donations

but send

[blissful quail]

Upload a shit ton of files and claim its not infinite when you max it out xD

[oblique sun]

i dont have that plan

@prisma garnet the only rule for private servers is
Do not threaten community servers such as; DDoS threats, bot attacks, or leaking player's IP or their personal information

thats it

for private

https://forums.valknet.org/server-tos/

[prisma garnet]

what about non private

[oblique sun]

i still think some maybe like 2 of them is pretty shit

but other than that i dont think its a bad tos

actually maybe like 3

these but maybe not so much on the first one

i dont know i just dont like these ones

[oblique sun]

why are you quite now?

[keen parcel]

Hey, whenever I start my server (1.17) it spits out these errors in the console. It works after that, but it is quite laggy compared to 1.16.5 before it was updated.

[prisma garnet]

what

[keen parcel]

Are these errors an issue and is there a way to get rid of or fix them?

[oblique sun]

idk try building the Jar again

[keen parcel]

Ok

[west cloak]

kinda looks like your jar files are corrupted

[median bloom]

"but i got it from xyz site!"

[keen parcel]

weird

[west cloak]

also, wtf is with that naming? they all have /._ at the start

[keen parcel]

I'm not sure lmao

Could it have to do with the fact that I build the buildtools on my personal computer and then send it to the computer running the server using smb?

[median bloom]

did you make a backup before going to 1.17

[keen parcel]

I did

[median bloom]

good

you might need it

[keen parcel]

However, it is out of date now

The server works, it's just sort of laggy

^ relative to the norm. It also used a lot more ram.

[west cloak]

well, try rebuilding the server jar and see if it fixes anything

[keen parcel]

Oh, also

These two files are generated each time I start it

My server has 8Gb of memory total, and the server is assigned 7Gb

[prisma garnet]

how much ram is being used by other things

[keen parcel]

Almsot none

It doesn't even a ui

Just command line

[west cloak]

try to start the server without using the -Xmx or -Xms flags

[keen parcel]

Ok

Same thing

Also, the /._ thing is really strange. None of my plugins have that in the name

[west cloak]

is it still crashing tho?

[keen parcel]

Let me see if it made those error files again

I think those error files might be whenever i do /restart because /restart never does anything and i have to start it manually

It does work, but with those errors

[west cloak]

did you try rebuilding the server jar?

[keen parcel]

I did

It does the same thing

[west cloak]

wtf

[keen parcel]

Could it have something to do with how I transfer files to the server?

[west cloak]

possibly, try starting a server on your local machine using the same jar

[keen parcel]

let me do that

It works normally that way

Should I get a copy of the server files from the other machine and try it on my local machine?

[west cloak]

yeah

[keen parcel]

ok

That's weird, it doesn't seem to be giving me those issues

[west cloak]

makes me wonder if its java then? i honestly dunno, never seen these issues lol

[keen parcel]

It would almost have to be Java

My personal computer is a Mac, while the server is running MineOS, a Debian distro

[west cloak]

whats the output of java -version?

on the remote machine

hell, even both of them

[keen parcel]

Give me a bit to check them

[royal lintel]

My server is using a lot of ram for 1.17

I don't know why

[oblique sun]

idk either

lol

cuz mine only uses like max 700mb

with like 8 plugins

1 player

cuz i got no friends

[royal lintel]

I have no one online and 0 plugins rn

and its using 8gb ram

[oblique sun]

but i tested it with 3 and its using 700mb still

@royal lintel i would love to send you my spigot jar

but i cant

its illegal

[royal lintel]

wut

[oblique sun]

yeah the spigot jar contains nms so sending anyone it is illegal

[royal lintel]

which did u use? latest?

[oblique sun]

its 1.17 lol

its normal spigot

i just said i cant send it

tho

[royal lintel]

where do I download 1.17 jar

[oblique sun]

?bt

[magic zenith]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/

[tawny dust]

?1.17

[magic zenith]

Install 1.17 with BuildTools: https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/

[royal lintel]

should I use latest or 1.17

[oblique sun]

1.16.5

but u can use 1.17 for testing

purposes

[royal lintel]

I shouldn't use 1.17 for servers?

[oblique sun]

nope

its not stable

[royal lintel]

uhh what happens if I do

. . .

[oblique sun]

chances of the server crashing

or some/most plugins wont work

[royal lintel]

yep my server crashed

can I change to vanilla again?

and it will fi

fix *

[oblique sun]

vanilla doesnt have plugins

[tawny dust]

Yes but make sure to relocate end and nether

[royal lintel]

yea ik I didn't use any becuz spigot alr used a lot of tam

ram*

[oblique sun]

f need to update 1.17

its 18 version(s) behind

[royal lintel]

Oops I deleted the how

lol

[tawny dust]

Java will use all the ram it's given. If you want it to use less give it less

[oblique sun]

it does?

[royal lintel]

when I was on vanilla it used less then spigot

[oblique sun]

i thought it just allocates it so it displays in windows task manager that its using how much you give it

[royal lintel]

how do I relocate them?

[tawny dust]

Yeah. It will use most of it before the gc starts

[oblique sun]

but java isnt using all the 1gb i gave it

[tawny dust]

It goes in spikes

[tawny dust]

Remove nogui from you startup command

And watch the ram indicator

[neat umbra]

what is ur xms

[oblique sun]

?

[neat umbra]

-Xmx5G -Xms3G

[oblique sun]

oh f i set it to the same as the max XD

[neat umbra]

shouldnt matter

[royal lintel]

how do I move my server to vinilla and keep my nether and end progreas

[oblique sun]

oh WAIT

i know why it didnt say it was using 1gb

that was the wrong java

i think

that was the one for compiling 1.17

[hexed tusk]

Hello, someone knows a plugin that puts a limit so that a certain block can no longer be put, I need it to put a limit per player of these money generators 1.16.5 version
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/money-printers.49107/

[royal lintel]

mine uses abt 1000 to 2000 mb

[fickle sedge]

Hey! Is there any changelogs for spigot versions?

.changelog

[oblique sun]

[22:23:26] [Server thread/INFO]: This server is running CraftBukkit version 3160-Spigot-f773da8-295ab08 (MC: 1.17) (Implementing API version 1.17-R0.1-SNAPSHOT)
[22:23:26] [Server thread/INFO]: Checking version, please wait...
[22:23:26] [Thread-15/INFO]: You are running the latest version```

[royal lintel]

this ur test server?

[oblique sun]

yea

i updated

its using less ram now :)

[royal lintel]

k, do you know how I can keep my progress on the nether and the end without my progress lost there?

[oblique sun]

not to sure

[royal lintel]

oh nice, do u think it will still crash tho ?

[oblique sun]

idk crashing is pretty rare still

it hasnt happend once

for me

but make sure your using latest

[royal lintel]

I've used the 1.17 since the 21st and just today I've experienced crashes

[oblique sun]

i have on my server PlaceholderAPI, floodgate, ProtocolSupport, ViaVersion, ViaBackwards, ProtocolLib, ViaRewind, LibsDisguises, LuckPerms, Geyser-Spigot, Vault, Essentials, EssentialsChat, EssentialsSpawn but protocollib and libdisguises dont work

[royal lintel]

idk if I should cuz I am not using a test server . . .

[oblique sun]

well yeah but make sure you have latest

[royal lintel]

so should I move to vinilla or latest spigot?

which do u think

[oblique sun]

well i wouldnt trust vanilla 1.17 still

[royal lintel]

y?

[oblique sun]

its still possible it can crash

[oblique sun]

spigot is mostly vanilla but they just have changed a few things and made some extra things it isnt like to big of changes but yeah if it crashes in spigot it could still crash in vanilla

and i mean it hasnt crashed once for me on spigot so idk

[royal lintel]

oh it will be fixed tho right?

[oblique sun]

yeah

but as of rn it isnt

[royal lintel]

ok ill go to latest spigot

[oblique sun]

it will be stable soon

[royal lintel]

at the site u sent do I download the latest or 1.17

[oblique sun]

yeah you build it with that

[stuck juniper]

anyone knows a good multi currency plugin for 1.16.5???

[oblique sun]

?bt

[magic zenith]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/

[oblique sun]

not here?

[stuck juniper]

wdym? wrong channel? where do I ask? hehe

[tawny dust]

Nah this is the right place

[oblique sun]

it might be right channel i just think no one knows here

[stuck juniper]

oh

😦

[oblique sun]

atleast i dont know any

[stuck juniper]

idk where to find one

[oblique sun]

google?

[keen parcel]

Sorry about the wait. Something came up, and I couldn't get back to my computer until now.

Output of java --version on my Mac is:
java 16.0.1 2021-04-20
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 16.0.1+9-24, mixed mode, sharing)
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 16.0.1+9-24)

Output of java --version on the server is:
openjdk 16.0.1 2021-04-20
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 16.0.1+9-24)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 16.0.1+9-24, mixed mode, sharing)

Unfortunately, I can't work on this anymore until later tonight, would it be ok if I DM you then?

[stuck juniper]

I found https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/gemseconomy.19655/ but has some issues that sound pretty bad and I don't want my server's economy to die lol

[oblique sun]

hmm

[west cloak]

yeah that would be fine

[oblique sun]

you could go to help development and pay someone there to make u one?

[west cloak]

what kinda problems?

[stuck juniper]

user's data resetting, db resetting and others

[oblique sun]

ᵒʳ ᶦ ᶜᵒᵘˡᵈ ᵐᵃᵏᵉ ᵒⁿᵉ ᶠᵒʳ ᶠʳᵉᵉ ᵇᵘᵗ ᶦ ᵈᵒⁿᵗ ᵏⁿᵒʷ ᵗʰᵃᵗ ᵐᵘᶜʰ ᶜᵒᵈᵉ ˣᴰ

[royal lintel]

latest?

[oblique sun]

u type 1.17 for 1.17

latest for 1.16.5

[royal lintel]

so I download the 1.17

[west cloak]

well the code is opensource, so I can take a look at it

[stuck juniper]

also dev hasn't been active since latest update (which was in june i think)

[oblique sun]

you download latest build tools

[royal lintel]

ok

[tawny dust]

January

[stuck juniper]

mb, completely confused january and june lmao

[stuck juniper]

would be cool, thanks, all the issues that are bothering me are on the github page

[oblique sun]

and you do
java -jar buildtools.jar --rev 1.17
for 1.17 or
java -jar buildtools.jar --rev latest
for 1.16.5
and for other versions you just type the version number
java -jar buildtools.jar --rev version

[royal lintel]

where do I download the .jar I don't see it

[oblique sun]

?bt

[magic zenith]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/buildtools/

[oblique sun]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/jenkins/job/BuildTools/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/target/BuildTools.jar

[royal lintel]

when I look at 1.17 I click top but it don't bring me to download server.jar page

[oblique sun]

yeah you cant download the jar

you have to build it yourself

using buildtools

[tawny dust]

Now please read...

[west cloak]

lmao

[oblique sun]

its the only legal way to have the jar XD

@royal lintel if you want a more simpler way you could use this if your on windows @echo off IF NOT EXIST BuildTools ( mkdir BuildTools ) cd BuildTools curl -z BuildTools.jar -o BuildTools.jar https://hub.spigotmc.org/jenkins/job/BuildTools/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/target/BuildTools.jar set /p Input=Enter the version: || set Input=latest java -jar BuildTools.jar --rev %Input% pause

just make sure you save it in a .bat

[west cloak]

@stuck juniper do you need it for 1.17?

nvm, i looked up

[royal lintel]

bruh I got the 1.17 jar that wasn't the buildtools

[oblique sun]

?

is that from g.etbukkit .....

[west cloak]

its illegal to get the jar anywhere other than buildtools

[oblique sun]

you know thats illegal right...

[oblique sun]

well it isnt illegal for people downloading it

but whoever is putting it up

is doing the illegal

and for all we know they could put viruses in them

[west cloak]

and they're hella old

[oblique sun]

yep

the one on there site rn is probs the first ever version of 1.17

which is like really buggy

[stuck juniper]

1.16.5 (:

[oblique sun]

well buildtools is the only official thing to get a jar (also its legal)

[royal lintel]

oh ok

[west cloak]

lmao https://i.imgur.com/qL2ZyNI.png

programmering

[royal lintel]

Wait then why bukkit have it on their page

[oblique sun]

that isnt bukkit lmao

thats a different company

idk what company it is

bukkit went out of commission years ago

the last version was like 1.7.2

XD

[royal lintel]

uh

[oblique sun]

that was like 7-8 years ago

craftbukkit is still a thing tho

[tawny dust]

Whats so funny ;/

[oblique sun]

its spelt wrong

or its not a word

🤔

idk

[tawny dust]

It's the correct spelling in swedish :kekw:

[oblique sun]

lol

[west cloak]

huh, til

[royal lintel]

bruh that site has 1.17 for craftbukkig

my life is a lie

[oblique sun]

but that site is also illegal :)

[royal lintel]

as soon as I'm on my pc ill move to the latest legal jar

[oblique sun]

yeah also g*tbukkit is also giving old jars

and also they probs putting viruses in them but know one knows

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal lintel]

they have a disc with 10k members

bruh

[oblique sun]

doesnt mean a thing

they are still doing illegal

they are giving jars thats old

;-;

its owned by some random company no one knows

[tawny dust]

That site is so annoying...

[royal lintel]

ik im saying that fooled 10k ppl to think they are legit and legal

[oblique sun]

lol

more than that

but some left it

[tawny dust]

It causes people to say Im on latest... while they're months out of date

[oblique sun]

and some dont even join the discord

some are 10 year olds probs

[oblique sun]

i think mojang should do something about it

[tawny dust]

Yeah they deffinetly could DMCA them

[oblique sun]

they probs will put it back up

they need to like get bankrupt

so then they cant do it again

idk

[tawny dust]

Well this is the problem with the internet it's impossble to prevent people fron reuploading it

[oblique sun]

we need microsoft to put a public announcement saying dont download anything from g*tbukkit

then they wont get any users

and they will die

[tawny dust]

Like kids read announcements

[oblique sun]

yeah true

put it in a windows notification

and google should hop in to

and when u goto it kicks you off

:)

[west cloak]

how do you reproduce those errors? and are you using yaml or mysql?

[short prism]

Hello everyone, I got a problem
Only mobs spawns and not monsters...

I already checked server files and plugin, everything's turned on
The map in question is custom, 1.16.5 version

Should I use a plugin? If yes, what plugin? Or any other solution?

[west cloak]

u sure you dont have peaceful on?

[oblique sun]

you probs have peaceful on

[short prism]

Totally sure, if I had peaceful on the mobs couldn't spawn

The mode is normal

[west cloak]

wdym mobs couldnt spawn? peaceful disables monsters from spawning, not animals

[short prism]

Yeah, but Mobs are spawning

and not animals

[glad rain]

which mobs

[short prism]

that's why I say if I had peaceful, mobs couldnt spawn

[west cloak]

im so confused

[short prism]

Monsters, skeletons etc

Not animals like pigs, chickens...

Monsters if you prefer

[west cloak]

monsters are mobs...?

[short prism]

well, I call it mobs

[glad rain]

bro

[oblique sun]

but you just said mobs can spawn and animals cant spawn

[glad rain]

;-;

[short prism]

yes I did @oblique sun

monsters can but animals can't *

[oblique sun]

what

[short prism]

._.

[stuck juniper]

Well maybe I didn't explain myself properly, I'm just concerned about the errors being reported but I haven't got any errors myself, actually I haven't tested the plugin, I just want to make sure those errors won't chase me through reports in my sv all the time.

[west cloak]

did you disable animal spawns in the server.properties?

[west cloak]

oh, mb. I was confusing you with the person that reported the issue lmao

I've been testing the plugin so far and I havnt had any issues

[short prism]

Animals spawns on other worlds but not on the custom one

spawn-animals=true

[stuck juniper]

No hehe, actually I just replied to two errors a little ago lol

[stuck juniper]

🤔 well maybe I'll just test it out a while and try to get errors, thanks for the help and your will to do more (:

[oblique sun]

it could be regions

blocking it

or it could be that custom world has it disabled

[short prism]

I will check but i'm not sure, why monsters can spawn and not animals

[stuck juniper]

Do you have multiverse installed?

[west cloak]

I suggest making a staging server if you can, basically a clone of your actual production server that you can test on.

[short prism]

I have, yes

And I did /mvm set animals true

[oblique sun]

make sure you set the gamerule to

/mv gamerule world mobSpawning true i think

[short prism]

gamerule is good too

[oblique sun]

@weak drift i choose to be alone with my mother :)

[short prism]

Still not working

doMobSpawning is already true

All I see is spider, skeleton, creeper & zombies

[oblique sun]

ah well idk

then

[short prism]

that's why I'm here 😂

[oblique sun]

i dont think animals spawn at night tho

[short prism]

then I try the day

still not working

[oblique sun]

then gl

i dont know at all whats wrong

try restarting the server if doesnt work then theres nothing else i can do

[short prism]

Already done

[oblique sun]

welp ask somewhere/someone else

[short prism]

I Don't know who or where

so

😢

OMG THATS SPAWNING

[west cloak]

?

[scarlet tinsel]

I have an issue, I want players to respawn at specific coordinates but when i do /setworldspawn (coords) i still spawn at another location

(1.16.5)

[fierce surge]

have you tried no cords?

./setspawn

and with the world part

[scarlet tinsel]

yea

i have

nothin

[oblique sun]

theres a gamerule that you have to set to 0

[scarlet tinsel]

which one is that?

[oblique sun]

/gamerule spawnRadius 0

and you should spawn at the worldspawn

and only there

[scarlet tinsel]

POGGERS TYSM

[oblique sun]

thing is tho the y is gonna be the highest block at x and z

[stuck juniper]

Yeah actually that's what I'm doing xd

kind of at least

[rotund wagon]

@tawdry narwhal remember that version of java you recommended to me? for some reason when I install a new version of minecraft forge, it doesn't recognize the java installation as java for some reason

[hardy linden]

Is there a way I can configure spawn rates

[oblique sun]

for what

[hardy linden]

im gettting like 3 mobs spawning per 20 minutes

its ridiculously low for some reason

only in the nether though

[oblique sun]

nether spawns slow

[oblique sun]

i think thats normal

[hardy linden]

i dont think so

its lower than in my singeplayer world by a significant margin

[oblique sun]

well i played in singleplayer

and its the same in spigot

same spawn rates

but if you wanna change spawn rates you probs need a plugin

[hardy linden]

I have a wither skeleton farm and i copied the world into singleplayer

maybe 20x more spawns in singleplayer

[oblique sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silk pulsar]

I'm curious to see the distribution of Minecraft client versions, anybody know if there's any statistics on this? Like, for example, if more people use 1.8.9 or 1.16.4

[ashen fox]

Are you running 1.17? If so run /version and see if you are behind on versions

[fierce surge]

A lot of clients are 1.8 for the most part

I'm talking non hack clients btw
lunar cosmic ect

[silk pulsar]

Yes, I'd be curious if there's any data on it though

[fierce surge]

no idea

[silk pulsar]

I see lots of graphs for server versions, but not client versions

[fading sorrel]

Mojang has data on it.

Is it publicly available, no.

[oblique sun]

client versions isnt publicly available and there isnt anyway to get it

[oblique sun]

wish it was tho :(

[fading sorrel]

I mean legally it isn't, it isn't impossible though ;)

[silk pulsar]

Wait, it's illegal?

[oblique sun]

well yeah u can make mods

[silk pulsar]

I was about to ask why stuff like bStats don't collect that

[fading sorrel]

It's illegal to gain unauthorised access to mojangs data yes.

[oblique sun]

bstats is server sided

i mean u can get client versions of users

[silk pulsar]

Yes, but the server can see the client version

This is needed for stuff like Via

[oblique sun]

but you shouldnt log it

[fading sorrel]

They have no authority to log it

[oblique sun]

its apart of privacy kinda

[fading sorrel]

Unless they say that they do in their privacy tos

[oblique sun]

yeah you have to ask them if you can log it

you cant just log it

[fading sorrel]

I mean they could just put it in the TOS

[oblique sun]

and you have to have it in your tos

[fading sorrel]

And then log it

[silk pulsar]

So then, Via is illegal? Because iirc Via logs to the console which version a player is using when the log in

[fading sorrel]

Anyone who doesn't read it is at fault.

[oblique sun]

is that logging tho

[fading sorrel]

It logs it to a secure server

[silk pulsar]

But like, how is logging to a text file any different to logging it the a database? The data is still there

[fading sorrel]

A database is a lot more secure

Than a simple text file

[silk pulsar]

So surely that's better?

[fading sorrel]

Varies

[oblique sun]

i mean the only thing you can log without permission is players uuid

i think

[silk pulsar]

You're only allowed to log data if it's unsecurely? lmao

[oblique sun]

cuz legit you need uuid for players all the time

[silk pulsar]

But even the default server JAR tracks players' IPs?

[oblique sun]

no it doesnt?

[silk pulsar]

Yes? For stuff like ip banning. It's also outputted to console when they join.

[oblique sun]

eh yeah but people agree to the mc tos that they have their ip

like every website logs it

[fading sorrel]

all services log your IP

[oblique sun]

yeah

[fading sorrel]

No harm in doing so

[silk pulsar]

Exactly ^^

[oblique sun]

it isnt even illegal i dont think unless u use it maliciously

logging ips

[fading sorrel]

Gaining public information isn't illegal.

[silk pulsar]

Pretty sure it's actually the law that you have to log IPs for stuff like illegal activity

And surely the version you're connecting to a Minecraft server with is public information?

[oblique sun]

everyone probs has ur ip lmao

[fading sorrel]

Yes the version is technically logged via the console

Depending on server

And how they run, I.e what plufins

Plugins they use

There are plugins out there which store version info

Its not public information tho

[silk pulsar]

Yes, exactly, so how is it legal to store the version each individual player uses at each individual time, but not to collect it in a bunch so that it can't even be traced back?

[fading sorrel]

When it's being publicly posted i.e on a website

It's illegal , unless the server in question states in their tos

[silk pulsar]

I don't see how just counting the number of times a client version joins a server would be any less harmful than storing the exact time, user, IP and version all together

[fading sorrel]

That they collect this and that

It's not necessary harmful

It's the fact that it can't be posted without the users consent or user automatically agreeing to servers tos

[silk pulsar]

Eh fair enough I suppose

[oblique sun]

i mean ips cant be publicly posted but ips do need to be logged for some things

[fading sorrel]

I mean that's what I understand tbh, i could be partially wrong

[oblique sun]

i mean heck ip grabbing isnt even illegal

XD

[silk pulsar]

So then, where or which TOS allows for, say, bStats to track how many players are playing on servers at any one time? And then, why can't bStats just add something there to also allow for tracking client versions?

[oblique sun]

according to google

[fading sorrel]

using an IP Logged isn't illegal

Logged

Logger

The user chose to clink on the link

You didn't force them

[oblique sun]

i mean even if they did would it be illegal?

[silk pulsar]

So then, by that logic, the user chose to join the server, you didn't force them, so..? 🤔

[fading sorrel]

Have you never heard the saying never take candy from strangers, it works the same way, never click random ljnks you don't trust

[oblique sun]

yeah thats a problem of mine i click every link i see

[fading sorrel]

Well an IP grabber is a bit different

But at the same time

If you don't maliciously do anything with it

No legality problems

[silk pulsar]

Ah

[fading sorrel]

It's once you are malicious , it becomes an issue

[silk pulsar]

So it's to do with malicious intent? 🤨

[oblique sun]

yeah like i ip grabbed my friends ip just to play a prank

[fading sorrel]

Like I could send you a link rn, find out which city you live in

For my personal beenfiit

Bendfi

[oblique sun]

i didnt do anything with the ips

[fading sorrel]

Benefit

[oblique sun]

XD

[silk pulsar]

Then, what's malicious about counting client versions?

[fading sorrel]

I wouldn't be liable

Unless I decided idk, I'll DDoS you

[oblique sun]

i just got them cuz i was bored

but i deleted them

so i dont have them anymore

[fading sorrel]

Nothing, it's malicious when you post the info to a website

Without having TOS explaining you're doing that

[silk pulsar]

How's that malicious though?

[fading sorrel]

Because it's info on the user

Which you postedw without their consent

[oblique sun]

yeah you need consent

[fading sorrel]

It's not really gonna harm them so I doubt antone would give a duck

[silk pulsar]

But that brings me back to this, where does the user consent to having their activity tracked on bStats?

[fading sorrel]

But still , they would technically be able tosue

Even though their case wouldn't be string

Strong

Considering its just an version smh

[silk pulsar]

Ye

[fading sorrel]

What is bstata

[oblique sun]

https://bstats.org/privacy-policy

[fading sorrel]

Stats

Does it collect user info for users jot registered on itM

NotZ

[silk pulsar]

But, the average user probably has never even heard of bStats, so hasn't had the ability to agree to these terms

[oblique sun]

actually i think it collects server info

[fading sorrel]

Server info such as?

[oblique sun]

player count, os

server version

[fading sorrel]

The server would have signed up to bstats ?

[oblique sun]

yep

[fading sorrel]

Exactly y

[silk pulsar]

Server version, plugins installed, players online at any time

[oblique sun]

oh yeah

its for plugin stuff to

[fading sorrel]

It posts only stuff regarding the sever

Not speciaufally the user

Specifically

[silk pulsar]

It's that players online at any time though. Server version and plugins installed I can understand that it's the server that has to agree with, but the players online one, surely the player would have to consent to that

[oblique sun]

its only basic server info

anyone can get

[fading sorrel]

Consent to wht

What

[oblique sun]

lol

[fading sorrel]

It's server info

Which you can get by googling the server

It's not user info

[silk pulsar]

Oh ye I guess that makes sense

[oblique sun]

ANYONE can get the player count, plugins

[fading sorrel]

^

[oblique sun]

its basic server info

[silk pulsar]

Since you get the players online from pinging the server

[oblique sun]

anyone can find probs the os there using for the server even

[fading sorrel]

^

[oblique sun]

its all basic stuff

it isnt illegal cuz everyone can already view it

[silk pulsar]

Makes sense

[fading sorrel]

Where'd this convo even come from lel

[oblique sun]

idk

[silk pulsar]

Me asking for statistics on client versions lol

[fading sorrel]

Ahh

I mean someone could create a company

Which collects thatinfo

And have users sign up

[silk pulsar]

I'm just curious about random stuff like, what is the least used version post 1.7

Just thought it would be interesting 😂

[oblique sun]

well you would probs have to ask mojang for that

and they might not give it to you

[fading sorrel]

Exactly

[paper kestrel]

ye

[fading sorrel]

You'd have to be quite well established

To even have them consider

But they'd probably steal the idea

And crate a platform their selces

Charging a monthly subscribe

[silk pulsar]

Could maybe come under the Freedom of Information act but I doubt it

[fading sorrel]

Subscription

[silk pulsar]

I doubt they would make a monthly subscription to view data lmao

[fading sorrel]

It has to cover worldwide not just us or one country

Microsoft would find a way

They're greedy

[paper kestrel]

Ha Ha

[silk pulsar]

Microsoft as been pretty good with Java Edition imo, they've not tried to add any monetisation to it

[oblique sun]

mojang I think works on the java edition but microsoft owns the bedrock

[silk pulsar]

All they've really done is added the marketplace to Bedrock

[oblique sun]

cuz microsoft doesnt touch it

MOJANG works on java

[silk pulsar]

Ye

[oblique sun]

MICROSOFT doesnt do shit with java

they just own part sales with it

[paper kestrel]

This is so true

[oblique sun]

i think

[silk pulsar]

What do you guys think would be the least used final or bug fix client version past 1.7? lmao

[oblique sun]

they only work on the bedrock edition

[silk pulsar]

I'd say maybe 1.11.1

[fading sorrel]

Mojang works on it but

Microsoft makes any and all financial decisions

Marketing decisions etc

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i'd say that 10% uses 1.12 and 50% use 1.16 1% probs uses 1.17 and the rest 1.8

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Any major change they decide on

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I doubt it's 50% for 1.16.5

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^

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maybe liek 46%

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1.16.5 is too specific

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Why not ask Notch

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1.16 then

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Probably not even like 30% for the entirety of 1.16 though

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Notch might not even have access anymore XD

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nah everyone uses 1.16