#help-server

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barren zephyr
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You can hack your way around it with dynamic DNS

humble canyon
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ddns won't do anything if there's no port forwarding

barren zephyr
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Erm

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Yes it will

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Unless it magically requests the router to port forward on behalf of ddns

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Which I hope it doesn’t

humble canyon
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how? dynamic dns is useful to reposition a dns record if you have a dynamic ip, but how will it go around cgnat

barren zephyr
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DDNS will handle all the nitty gritty port shit for you

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All you have to do is specify which port your TCP service runs on

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And connect using the address DDNS gives you

barren zephyr
barren zephyr
humble canyon
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dynamic dns doesn't create tunnels of any kind, I believe we're talking about different things here

barren zephyr
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Not the D-DNS technology

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Anyways, if that doesnt work, try cloudflare’s Argo

somber stratus
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if so, I will

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but Im already trying to reach my ISP

barren zephyr
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Instructions are shown after you sign up

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iirc

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You sign up

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Get your token

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Download the client

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Configure the client

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Run it

somber stratus
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which client/

barren zephyr
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And bobs your uncle

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noip client

barren zephyr
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Anyways, if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t make sense.

Lets say…
You have your server running locally, you run another client which sets up a proxy between you and another server (the “host” which is resolved by mc) to where they can freely do all the port forwarding bogus shit on their side

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If you can open a connection and send/receive data with their service I am dumfounded by the idea of not being able use their hostname and port to contact your local server

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It just doesn’t make sense

somber stratus
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ok

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so I just checked with my ISP

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its not cgnat

somber stratus
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So my server should just work now?

barren zephyr
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If you specified the port your server runs on (most likely 25565)

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It should work out of the box

humble canyon
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but /shrug

barren zephyr
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Still it doesn’t make sense why they wouldn’t just use my flawless approach to proxy the traffic

somber stratus
barren zephyr
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I may be completely miss-remembering the ddns client name

humble canyon
barren zephyr
somber stratus
somber stratus
humble canyon
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I run a vps + ekzhang/bore to proxy, works fine, but also not free

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could use an oracle free tier machine though

barren zephyr
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No it must be noip

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It is the right company

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I think theres a separate client for the tunnels

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Gimme a moment

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This is the biggest bruh moment I have encountered in a while, I remember being able to specify a service port somewhere in the command line like it was yesterday…

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I will have to check on pc, wouldn’t be surprised if they removed the functionally

somber stratus
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I just want to play minecraft with friends why is it so hard 😭

barren zephyr
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Okay a good question to ask is

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Do they offer a cli executable

barren zephyr
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Holy

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Fucking

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Shit

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@somber stratus my apologies

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The years of chronic smoking pot have gotten to me

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Its called

somber stratus
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what lol

barren zephyr
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Ngrok

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Not fucking

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Ddns

somber stratus
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oh lmao

barren zephyr
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😭

somber stratus
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np dude

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you tried helping nonetheless lmao

barren zephyr
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xd

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ngrok tcp 25565

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Thats about it

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Provided you setup your token

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Found a tutorial too

somber stratus
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thank you very much dude

barren zephyr
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no problem

somber stratus
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my friends wont have to do nothing, right?

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cause they are all like 100x dumber than me

barren zephyr
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They will use the address ngrok gives you to connect

somber stratus
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and Im already really dumn

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dumb

barren zephyr
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No other setup required

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Also don’t forget to setup a whitelist

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You’re more likely to get enumerated on ngrok

barren zephyr
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And not to mention shodan

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As long as you have a whitelist and don’t pass anything else thru

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You should be good

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OH and also make sure you have log4j updated

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Or else you will not have a great time

barren zephyr
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well hopefully all of them would be updated but it depends on where you downloaded it

somber stratus
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its been a long time since I last played minecraft, even more creating a server

barren zephyr
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/whitelist on

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Fairly certain

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And then

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/whitelist add <username>

barren zephyr
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Idek at this point

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Just connect and type /whitelist

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And it should show you usage

somber stratus
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cool

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thank you very much

barren zephyr
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np

somber stratus
# barren zephyr np

well, it worked, but the my friend keeps getting disconnected, maybe because Ngrok works like a vpn?

barren zephyr
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hmm

somber stratus
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and Im probably very very far away from Ngrok servers

barren zephyr
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Try re-starting ngrok

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maybe it will give you a better node

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Eventually

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Worked really well in the UK

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well when I tried it

dapper ocean
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from my experience, ngrok have shitty performance

barren zephyr
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Like 6 years ago

somber stratus
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lmao

dapper ocean
somber stratus
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dont worry lol

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I tried

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nothing we can do

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is it possible to use spigot plugin in singleplayer without making a server tho>

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?

dapper ocean
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i mean, just start a server

somber stratus
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cause then I can just use Essential

dapper ocean
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and make it run in localhost

somber stratus
barren zephyr
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You can hack the support in

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Kinda

barren zephyr
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Its not very pretty

charred totem
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How can I reach support?

mellow dock
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?support

magic zenithBOT
mellow dock
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Or you can ask publicly here if it isn't a private matter

charred totem
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I bought a plugin which didn't work as expected. Plugin owner ignored my messages. I made a chargeback attempt on paypal which will be answered soon by paypal. Plugin owner started to respond to the chargeback to fix the issue. Now he has the issue fixed, atleast he says. The download option got removed and it says I have to pay again...?

Plugin owner also says he didn't remove me from downloading and it must of been your system.

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Who handles this? I want to get in contact asap, so paypal does not make a decision on this case. Best case scenario would be:

  • I get the fix
  • Plugin owner keeps the money

But right now, as I don't have access to downloading anything from the plugin page where I bought the plugin which makes me sit in a wierd position where I don't want to cancel the chargeback either until I know that's fixed.

mellow dock
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Payments are between you and the seller

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Sometimes they need to be manually approved by the seller, but you should have access to the resource within 24 hours of buying it

charred totem
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I bought the product for over a month ago.

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  1. Plugin had bug bugs which made the plugin not work as expected

  2. I told the plugin owner and he confirmed it and said he would fix it

  3. He never responded again and ghosted me

  4. I made a paypal report on the payment

  5. He responded and promised me a fix

  6. Now I got a fix, but I can’t download it and review it. I lost my access to download the plugin.

  7. I just contacted him again and he Said that he never removed me. He said it’s your system.

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Do you understand me? And the paypal report is not even confirmed yet. So now I stand here without the money or the plugin. The best case scenario would be me getting this plugin back so I can see if the problems are fixed, which the author promised (see latest update: https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/zombies-minigame-1-8-1-20-1.46148/updates). So I can cancel that paypal report which is estimated to have an answer next week.

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  • so What do I do now to solve this? I need to get in contact with the right guy, who can add me back so I can download. The plugin owner told me you are the only ones that can remove people from the buy-list. This pluginowner still has my money, which should give me the rights to my purchased plugin right? I have not broken any rules, and even your helpers confirmed it here:
mellow dock
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The seller can manually add buyers

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Perhaps they are unable to add back buyers that were removed though, not too sure

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@narrow coyote

idle token
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Considering you already initiated the paypal chargeback, just wait for that to complete. Otherwise you are just going to create more chaos

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Or cancel that, I believe that should be possible too

severe hearth
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This might not be spigot-related but does anyone know why I get these messages when I join my server (1.19.3) with a client (1.20.2)? https://ibb.co/Rps4DC0
Someone in forums had the same issue but they said they solved it by removing the old log4j2.xml in the server start-up command? I don't have that.
I also tried updating to the latest build of 1.19.3 and still did not fix.

tawny dust
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Make sure ViaVersion (or whatever you're using) is up to date

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also check your logs like it tells you to

severe hearth
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Let me see about ViaVersion

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sorry for the ping, mistake.

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It's not ViaVersions, it is up to date, and yeah nothing in logs.

trim jasper
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I’ll ask again

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How do I make sure nobody can build in a certain area of my world

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They can break

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Interact

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Ignite tnt

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Open chests

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Etc

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But cannot build

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Is there a way to do this?

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They can also break

jagged orbit
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World guard region

mellow dock
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Just set the build flag to deny and everything else to allow

west cloak
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Or custom adventure modeuwu

pliant pike
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guys anyone have idea about my server bug
my shulker box have bug
i mean i cant drop shulkerbox and remove and move in inventory
anyone have idea ?

silent flint
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hi

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the server plugin via backwars and via rewind don't work

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via version work

teal talon
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?nowork

tawny dust
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?notworking

magic zenithBOT
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"Does not working" is a useless statement. Please describe what exactly is not working, what you expect it to do, and what actually happens. If you get any console errors, also ?paste the entire stacktrace.

silent flint
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no error

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i send a list of plugin?

teal talon
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How is it not working?

silent flint
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via backwards and via rewind

teal talon
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K bye

silent flint
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[20:37:31 INFO]: Bukkit Plugins:
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[20:37:31 INFO]: VoidGen, Vulcan, WorldEdit

warm linden
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wdym "doesn't work"

somber stratus
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hey guys

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when you cant do a port foward

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whats the other best free solution to making a server?

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ngrok doesnt work cause my friends keep getting disconnected

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also I asked my ISP and they do allow port fowarding, so maybe its just me that done it wrongly and maybe someone could help me set it up?

tawny dust
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Port forwarding is different depending on your router model

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Also do check your firewall

somber stratus
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whats the website to check if a server is on or whatever

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cause my friends get the error "time out: no further information"

worn raven
worn raven
somber stratus
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and how do I fix that

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I know there isnt a simple answer

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but I have been trying for a long time

worn raven
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The server is either off

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Or the connection could not be made because of other issues like

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Bad internet

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Server response overload

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Etc

somber stratus
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I dont think its any of this tho

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my internet is pretty good

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and I allocated some good amount of ram to the server

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why minecraft is so ass to play with friends, we just wanted to use a plugin 😦

remote shuttle
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or use aternos

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or minehut

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lol

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or essentials mod

somber stratus
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all are fucking trash

remote shuttle
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no they arent

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lmao

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essentials is pretty good as long as u got nice hardware

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aternos is decent if u set it up properly

somber stratus
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yeah essentials is very nice

remote shuttle
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buying a server is the best option

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so wtf are u on about

somber stratus
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but not everyone in my friend group got original minecraft

remote shuttle
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ok

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then

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aternos

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or buy a server

somber stratus
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lol

remote shuttle
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u can get a minecraft server for like 5 dollars

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then

somber stratus
remote shuttle
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cancel the subscription?

somber stratus
remote shuttle
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what country r u in

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ok so

somber stratus
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Brazil

remote shuttle
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where is the problem

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pretty sure

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pebblehost

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supports brazil

somber stratus
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just to make sure

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the port foward should be TCP / UDP or just TCP?

dapper ocean
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tcp

somber stratus
somber stratus
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omg

remote shuttle
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so u cant buy a server from brazil?

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it blocks ur country?

somber stratus
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no

mellow dock
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Can’t ya just use a free one like minehut

somber stratus
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but the servers are not hosted in Brazil or anywhere close

somber stratus
remote shuttle
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yes they are??

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did u forgt about america

somber stratus
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well

remote shuttle
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like i said aternos isnt laggu

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not well

somber stratus
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dude

remote shuttle
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i have a pebble server

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in

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canada

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i connect to it from london

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i have almost no lag

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or lagback

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pebble has good internet connection

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plus ur in brazil just get one from america

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u wont notice any lag

somber stratus
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Im asking for any solutions for me hosting my own server, if you dont have any I really appreciate but I dont need your help

remote shuttle
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so hosting a server on pebble doesnt make ti urs? lol

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why u being rude, im just giving u options

somber stratus
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and I already said that it doesnt help, thanks

somber stratus
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the problem is

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only me and other 2 people are willing to play for a long time

remote shuttle
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somber stratus
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the other arent

remote shuttle
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ok\

somber stratus
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so they probably wont help with paying

remote shuttle
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its 5$

somber stratus
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hm

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then we can consider it

remote shuttle
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its online 247

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doesnt use ur hardware

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doesnt limit ur pc

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good internet speed

somber stratus
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cause last time I searched the cheapest I found was like 10$

remote shuttle
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bro

somber stratus
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and even tho that doesnt sound like much

remote shuttle
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why are u arguing

somber stratus
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Im not

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Im just saying what I found

remote shuttle
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thats ur problem

somber stratus
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dude

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ur the one trying to force a solution here

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Im not the one arguing

remote shuttle
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im not

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i sent u a youtueb video

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i gave u 3 websites

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and a cheap hosting website

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ur forcing not to find a solution

remote shuttle
remote shuttle
remote shuttle
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what other solution is there

somber stratus
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I originally came here asking for help cause I might have done something wrong in the port fowarding or in the firewall

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I already double checked everything

remote shuttle
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ok we gave u the solution use tcp

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how do u want us to help if u didnt provide us w anything

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u just sent a msg, we cant help of that

somber stratus
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dude

remote shuttle
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i gave u solutions

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if u want more help

somber stratus
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just shut up for a second please

remote shuttle
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send screenshots or snipets of what u setup

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no

somber stratus
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ur really annoying

remote shuttle
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ur the one being annoying

somber stratus
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as I was saying

remote shuttle
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we gave u solutions as well as an answer to ur original question

somber stratus
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I already double checked everything

remote shuttle
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i dont give a fuck what ur saying if u want help go screenshot ur firewall

somber stratus
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but I dont trust myself

remote shuttle
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lmao idiot

somber stratus
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and there is a language barrier so I might have messed up something or other

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and as I dont understand anything about this crap

grand sinew
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what is goin on in here 😭 🙏

remote shuttle
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👍

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some idiot

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doesnt want to listen to the

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4 solutions we gave him

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and insists his is right

somber stratus
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Im asked for someone willing to go throw this shit with me

grand sinew
tawny dust
somber stratus
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and I dont want any of those

remote shuttle
grand sinew
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you dont know how to port forward?

somber stratus
somber stratus
remote shuttle
somber stratus
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so maybe I did another thing wrong

tawny dust
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Could you show us your port forward setting

somber stratus
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one sec

grand sinew
remote shuttle
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wow the idiot listens to someone else who said the exact same thing as me

remote shuttle
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how smart of u 👏

somber stratus
grand sinew
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well show your configuration

mellow dock
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Isn’t there a site that has portforward instructions for a fuckton of routers

grand sinew
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as 2 others have said

somber stratus
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one second Im opening it

somber stratus
mellow dock
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Rip

somber stratus
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its TCP
Internal and External port is 25565
External IP: well, aint saying that but its my server IP
and the Internal IP is my IPv4

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I cant send screeshots as I didnt verify

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if thats all right, then its my firewall I guess?

tawny dust
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?img

magic zenithBOT
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Can't send images? That's because you're not verified! Use !verify to complete verification.
Alternatively, you can upload screenshots to any image hosting site and share the link.

Here's some screenshot utilities that can use to upload images.
Lightshot: https://prnt.sc
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remote shuttle
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just go thru the tutorial i sent u

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its helpful and explains in detail what u need to do

somber stratus
tawny dust
somber stratus
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it does

tawny dust
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How did you find yours

somber stratus
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ipconfig

somber stratus
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thats why Im so confused

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it should be working

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I even called my ISP

remote shuttle
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ok but did u rewatch it

somber stratus
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yea

remote shuttle
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i feel like

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ur using the wrong ip

somber stratus
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I might tbh

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as I said

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I dont trust myself

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hm

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what

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I just checked my ip

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and its in another fucking state

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is that because my ISP does cgnat or something similar?

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bruh

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oh well

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idk what to do

tawny dust
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Ip location isn't always correct

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See if you can leave the external ip field blank

somber stratus
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cool

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yeah I was able to

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also I saw a "solution" that was adding a exception for the port 25565 for the firewall

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I did that

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but didnt work so just letting you know

somber stratus
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I love you dude

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really appreciate

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everyone

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thank you all LMAO

winged citrus
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I'm trying to make a private Create mod server and I've been recommended two server hosts.
Bloom (4bg ram $10/m)
Omgserv (unlimited ram $7/m but it seems kinda sketchy)

somber stratus
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wtf even is unlimited ram

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lmao

winged citrus
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Idk some guy in Create Mod discord said I should use that instead of bloom

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Though tbh I've heard a lot of good stuff about bloom

somber stratus
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I only know apex hosting and that one hosting from the Shulkercraft youtubers

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and I never used any

lusty sluice
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hi, I have a quick question, why is the purchase not showing up?
I click on the page of the spigot that I want to buy the plugin, but there is no payment option for me. Can this be turned on or something?

mellow dock
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If you press the buy button and there is no proceed to payment button then the resource can’t be bought atm

lusty sluice
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no matter what i click it doesn't show up.

mellow dock
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Send the link

mellow dock
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Yeah it’s not available atm

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Payments info
From September 13, 2023 to January 1, 2024 payments will only be opened during some days.
For more info please read here.​

idle token
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ah, artificial scarcity. Thats an interesting marketing strategy for a minecraft plugin

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Can recommend https://github.com/gabber235/TypeWriter as an alternative if you don't want to wait for that dev to unlock their purchases. and its free, open source, and even has a web editor with timelines and all of that for cinematics

ornate pelican
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Is bungeecord for 1.20.2 finally stable?

real rivet
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Why is this even though I have installed the plugins viareward and viaversion?

ornate pelican
real rivet
ornate pelican
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Then it might be something else. Look in your crash reports.

winged citrus
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Alright so apparently Pebblehost is a 1gb ram for $1 host, and I'm looking at getting 8 gigs for a modded private server (create above and beyond)

Are they a good choice?

mighty ibex
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no

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the best choice is ALWAYS to rent a linux server and set it up yourself

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i dont know why people dont get that these hosts are scamming them

heady lava
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Usually it is more expensive + it takes more time to set up the equipment.

teal talon
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You can probably find some fine shared hosts i guess

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Not the best choice, but an ok choice

winged citrus
mighty ibex
mighty ibex
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time to set up the equipment

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man

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opening a ftp connection and putting some files in it aint that difficult

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im not paying a company 50-200% more just so they do that for me

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ever wondered why there are so many hosts? cause its easy money. They are straight up scamming yall

winged citrus
mighty ibex
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they usally start at around 32gig

tawny dust
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You could probably find an older server on auction

tawny dust
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but yeah don't expect a server with only 8gb of ram

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It is more expensive since you need the entire machine

mighty ibex
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how much are you planning on paying for your server @winged citrus

winged citrus
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I'm not looking for anything crazy, just something to run a modded server with friends

mighty ibex
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i may got a good alternative for you

winged citrus
mighty ibex
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if you wanz

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i can put it on my server for like 5-10$/m i still have like 32gigs unused

dapper ocean
mighty ibex
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just build buildtools and copy paste a few lines into a bat

dapper ocean
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It literally is cap, system administration is much more then opening ftp port lol

tawny dust
dapper ocean
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Or making script

mighty ibex
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you dont need much system administration other then opening the ports

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dont know where you are getting your info from

winged citrus
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They had 3000 ping 🙂

winged citrus
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(I have amazing wifi)

mighty ibex
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where do you live

tawny dust
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3000 💀

dapper ocean
mighty ibex
tawny dust
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Using Linux isn't as hard as people think

dapper ocean
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Not as hard as people think, but definetly not 5 minute yt video

mighty ibex
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then let it be 20 minutes

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still better then paying 50% more a month

tawny dust
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I wouldn't follow a Youtube video

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but you can for example just follow the Pterodactyl install guide step by step and use that

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That's what I did

dapper ocean
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I'm talking from pterodactyl experience, just look at their help channels

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Guys who totally f up their system because they miss fundamentals

mighty ibex
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you dont necessarily need pterodactyl if you just want 1 server with mods

tawny dust
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Sounds like they didn't follow the guide

tawny dust
tawny dust
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I'm not even sure how you'd mess up your system when installing Pterodactyl

mighty ibex
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and as i said „if you only want 1 server“

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which for this guy was the case

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he wasnt trying to be the next hypiyel

tawny dust
mighty ibex
tawny dust
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It's a modded server you'll probably need to access it a bit

mighty ibex
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why would that be

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out in the mods using ftp

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and restart it

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thats all

tawny dust
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they break and crash

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yes you could use ftp and such just takes more time

mighty ibex
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WHAT????

tawny dust
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also more things you have to learn

mighty ibex
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ftp takes more time????

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there is no way you are serious at this point

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ftp is the easiest thing ever

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like

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bro

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a 2 year old could use it

tawny dust
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I'm aware it's not hard

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many things here aren't hard

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you see people struggle every day here with starting BuildTools for example

mighty ibex
#

then these people lag braincells

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do some research

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theres so many tutorials for of that

#

like

dapper ocean
mighty ibex
#

i cant with yall

#

at this point youre just trying to annoy me

dapper ocean
#

I mean serializing your own object into yaml seems like really easy job for me, yet u struggled with it.

mighty ibex
#

okay so since a 2 year old cant do simple math its not easy?

#

that argument doesnt make sense

#

no one gets born with any skill

#

but

#

there are some that are easier to lern

#

and some that are harder

#

learn*

barren zephyr
echo mortar
#

hi, i have a server with the Graves plugin

#

when someone dies i get this error [15:04:59 ERROR]: Could not pass event PlayerDeathEvent to Graves v4.9 java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: 'java.lang.String com.mojang.authlib.properties.Property.getValue()' at com.ranull.graves.util.SkinUtil.getTexture(SkinUtil.java:48) ~[Graves-4.9.jar:?] at com.ranull.graves.listener.EntityDeathListener.onEntityDeath(EntityDeathListener.java:297) ~[Graves-4.9.jar:?] at com.destroystokyo.paper.event.executor.asm.generated.GeneratedEventExecutor14.execute(Unknown Source) ~[?:?] at org.bukkit.plugin.EventExecutor$2.execute(EventExecutor.java:77) ~[paper-api-1.20.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?] at co.aikar.timings.TimedEventExecutor.execute(TimedEventExecutor.java:81) ~[paper-api-1.20.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:git-Paper-291] at org.bukkit.plugin.RegisteredListener.callEvent(RegisteredListener.java:70) ~[paper-api-1.20.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?] at io.papermc.paper.plugin.manager.PaperEventManager.callEvent(PaperEventManager.java:54) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291] at io.papermc.paper.plugin.manager.PaperPluginManagerImpl.callEvent(PaperPluginManagerImpl.java:126) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291] at org.bukkit.plugin.SimplePluginManager.callEvent(SimplePluginManager.java:615) ~[paper-api-1.20.2-R0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar:?] at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_20_R2.event.CraftEventFactory.callPlayerDeathEvent(CraftEventFactory.java:986) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291] at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerPlayer.die(ServerPlayer.java:963) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.world.entity.LivingEntity.hurt(LivingEntity.java:1548) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.world.entity.player.Player.hurt(Player.java:973) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerPlayer.hurt(ServerPlayer.java:1132) ~[?:?] at net.minecraft.world.entity.Mob.doHurtTarget(Mob.java:1679) ~[?:?]

#
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.ai.goal.MeleeAttackGoal.checkAndPerformAttack(MeleeAttackGoal.java:129) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.ai.goal.MeleeAttackGoal.tick(MeleeAttackGoal.java:121) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.ai.goal.WrappedGoal.tick(WrappedGoal.java:63) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.ai.goal.GoalSelector.tickRunningGoals(GoalSelector.java:154) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.ai.goal.GoalSelector.tick(GoalSelector.java:145) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.Mob.serverAiStep(Mob.java:924) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.LivingEntity.aiStep(LivingEntity.java:3384) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.Mob.aiStep(Mob.java:674) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.monster.Monster.aiStep(Monster.java:45) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.LivingEntity.tick(LivingEntity.java:3038) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.Mob.tick(Mob.java:436) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.entity.monster.Spider.tick(Spider.java:87) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerLevel.tickNonPassenger(ServerLevel.java:1386) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.level.Level.guardEntityTick(Level.java:1309) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerLevel.lambda$tick$8(ServerLevel.java:900) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.world.level.entity.EntityTickList.forEach(EntityTickList.java:42) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291]
        at net.minecraft.server.level.ServerLevel.tick(ServerLevel.java:880) ~[?:?]
        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickChildren(MinecraftServer.java:1548) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291]
        at net.minecraft.server.dedicated.DedicatedServer.tickChildren(DedicatedServer.java:446) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291]
        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.tickServer(MinecraftServer.java:1379) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291]```
#

        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.runServer(MinecraftServer.java:1156) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291]
        at net.minecraft.server.MinecraftServer.lambda$spin$0(MinecraftServer.java:315) ~[paper-1.20.2.jar:git-Paper-291]
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:840) ~[?:?]```
dark violet
#

lost connection: Internal Exception: java.lang.NullPointerException: Profile ID must not be null

#

bungee connected to my server

#

when trying to join, this happens

#

lobby works fine

#

but subserver gives this error in console

tawny dust
ebon zephyr
#

its a craftbukkit 1.20.2 Server

tawny dust
#

A single server tick took 60.00 seconds (should be max 0.05)

ebon zephyr
#

and its caused by what?

#

chunk issues?

teal talon
#

Why are you using craftbukkit

tawny dust
#

^^

mighty ibex
ebon zephyr
tawny dust
#

._.

teal talon
#

Lol

tawny dust
#

Looks like an issue with loading entities in a chunk

ebon zephyr
#

yeah dont ask me 😄

#

i stay with paper / purpur

#

is there any way to find that "corrupted" entity / chunk to delete it?

tawny dust
#

Try using regular Spigot

echo mortar
#

is there an alternative for 1.20?

tribal comet
#

trye veinminer?

runic rain
#

Yeah, it's not perfect but I get a lot of people that use VeinMiner as a make-shift treecapitator

#

I think treecapitator still works in 1.20 though?

mighty ibex
#

thats such an easy plugin

#

no way theres no new version of that

strange remnant
#

does paper use less ram than spigot?

#

im moving

tribal comet
#

idk ask paper

#

i'd assume if they do its negligable

dark violet
#

and it works as smooth as butter :P

mighty ibex
#

thats the whole point

dark violet
mighty ibex
#

its supposed to be light weight

teal talon
#

Lol

#

No it’s not

mighty ibex
#

yes it is

teal talon
#

Does not say it anywhere there

mighty ibex
#

literally the first sentence

teal talon
#

Paper?

mighty ibex
#

"designed to greatly improve performance"

teal talon
#

Improving performance does not have anything to do with memory (in a significant context)

mighty ibex
#

one part of increasing performance is to reduce ram usage

#

have u ever even used paper

teal talon
#

@fallow gust you should advertise less ram usage then

mighty ibex
#

okay i might actually be wrong on this one

#

found data that differs

#

not sure anymore

#

some tests claim it uses less some claim it uses way more

teal talon
#

People are dumb

fallow gust
#

what

teal talon
#

Ikr

warm fiber
#

Who tf cares about RAM needings in 2023

fallow gust
#

memory is certainly not the main focus of paper

dark violet
#

DrVosss this is spigotMC's discord server, dont expect people to agree with your paper supremacy 😂

(i mean, im with you on your point, but still)

mighty ibex
dark violet
#

or am i lost

fallow gust
#

yea

warm fiber
#

99.999% of all people have far enough ram and get cpu bottlenecked

mighty ibex
fallow gust
#

I mean, I haven't compared us to spigot in a while in regards to memory usage

#

not that it matters much, the GC will GC

mighty ibex
#

but i assumed its a part of performance boosts looking at results

dark violet
teal talon
#

Memory usage is not a significant performance impact normally

fallow gust
#

like, how much memory your sserver uses is up to you and your Xmx

mighty ibex
#

well okay so after some more research: paper seems to use less ram in 1.12 and below. After that for some reason it quadruples

teal talon
#

So does minecraft

warm fiber
teal talon
#

Everything after 1.12 got a bit high

warm fiber
#

Well my ram isn't cheap but yeah

mighty ibex
teal talon
#

?

mighty ibex
#

look

fallow gust
#

The GC running to clean up some memory really is not gonna be your biggest issue unless you run at like 500mb

mighty ibex
#

cpu and ram have different purposes. If your server isnt survival and on an older version, all you really need is good ram. The main part where cpu is often too weak is generating new chunks

teal talon
#

What is “good ram”?

mighty ibex
#

depends on how many players the server has

#

any how many worlds and chunks are loaded

#

if load like a 100 chunks 2-4gb will probably do that

#

but if you load a thousand it wont be able to hold that

teal talon
#

Don’t get what you’re trying to explain

mighty ibex
#

what part do you not get

fallow gust
#

100 chunks loaded kekwhyper

teal talon
#

How memory usage is a significant factor in performance? All ur giving me is just what memory is used for, sure?

mighty ibex
teal talon
#

Yes?

#

And you have more than plenty of ram nowadays

mighty ibex
#

if you arent generating new chunks everything thats happening is mostly in the ram

teal talon
#

Yes

#

That does not make it a significant factor

mighty ibex
#

ofc it does in certain situations

teal talon
#

In?

mighty ibex
#

you just refuse to listen to me

fallow gust
#

thats happening is mostly in the ram

#

yea

#

the CPU does the work

mighty ibex
#

for math yh

fallow gust
#

no

#

for everything

#

sure read/writes to ram are a thing

#

but unless you are running decade old mem sticks, the work the CPU has to do is by far the bigger bottleneck

mighty ibex
#

if you dont want everyone to play with a 2-4 chunk renderdistance you will need ram

fallow gust
#

I mean yea, again. Running on 500mb isn'T gonna be a breeze

#

but it is not the main pain point of minecraft servers

mighty ibex
#

ive never said ram is the main point of minecraft servers

fallow gust
#

then what are we even arguing about 😂

mighty ibex
#

the fact that in some situations cpus arent the probkem

fallow gust
#

sure

#

in some

teal talon
#

I just said it wasn’t a significant bottleneck nowadays

mighty ibex
fallow gust
#

I mean

tribal comet
#

this is what I get for saying no to a question and everyone just ignores me 🥲

fallow gust
#

if you arent generating new chunks everything thats happening is mostly in the ram

teal talon
#

I said “It does not make it a significant problem” 50 times

fallow gust
#

I think your statements just made it sound like you thought it was the major bottlenekc

#

or we understood the wrong

#

whatever

mighty ibex
#

couldnt have made it more clear.

fallow gust
#

|| if you arent generating new chunks everything thats happening is mostly in the ram || kekwhyper

#

whatever

#

what was even the original statement/problem

tribal comet
fallow gust
#

aH

#

no idea xD

tribal comet
#

my response was perfectly valid!

teal talon
mighty ibex
#

depends on what server you are trying to run really cpu and ram have different purposes. If your server isnt survival and on an older version, all you really need is good ram. The main part where cpu is often too weak is generating new chunks

teal talon
#

What

mighty ibex
#

where i even said i was wrong

fallow gust
#

okay this is stupid

teal talon
#

Ahaha

mighty ibex
#

but sure if we just play the lie game

#

at this point arguing with you is pointless if you just straighup lie

#

like

#

go do that to kindergardeners not me

fallow gust
#

probably best to just drop this

teal talon
#

You’re confusing me

#

Sure

mighty ibex
fallow gust
#

sigh

teal talon
#

Help I am being cyber bullied

fallow gust
mighty ibex
#

where in the help channel

#

just trying to help you

#

its a friendly recommendation

dark violet
stark crag
fallow gust
#

not that hard to achieve Sadge

#

still cyberbullying tho hyperSiren

grand sinew
#

what is the best way to disable vanilla biome gen and only make use of datapack biome gen?

mellow dock
#

Remove the vanilla biomes from the datapack

remote shuttle
mellow dock
#

What?

#

They are in there

remote shuttle
#

No they aren't lmao

idle token
#

they aren't, but you can edit the biome source using a datapack

remote shuttle
#

How would I do that? The biome source for vanilla biomes?

#

I just don't want them to generate

idle token
#

or one of the other sources and only add your own biomes. look at the presets for what vanilla does

remote shuttle
#

Wait, I am going to delete what col sent

idle token
#

same thing tbh

remote shuttle
#

Well, why waste my config file tryna disable everything

idle token
#

file? You need an overworld.json to overwrite generation

mellow dock
#

You could probably write a fancy notepad++ find and replace regex to remove all the vanilla ones

#

If you like pain

remote shuttle
#

Yeah, I'll just remove them

#

Nah I'll just scroll thru

#

not many is there?

#

thx though col sorry for doubt 💋

mellow dock
#

60 ish iirc

remote shuttle
#

I thought you meant like a file for each biome was there

mellow dock
remote shuttle
remote shuttle
#

@mellow dock I cleared all minecraft things from overworld.json
Still have vanilla biomes

#

Any of these causes vanilla biomes?

vital drift
#

When trying to make a spigot 1.18.2 server, I get the error in the picture.
The server.bat contains:

@echo off
java -Xmx4G -jar spigot.jar -nogui
pause```

The spigot.jar file is Buildtools for 1.18.2
#

To get the buildtool.jar (that I renamed to spigot.jar) I ran this with BT.bat file I was prompted to make in the docs

fallow gust
#

its --nogui

vital drift
# fallow gust its --nogui

Nope```
Loading BuildTools version: git-BuildTools-bb27140-162 (#162)
Java Version: Java 19
Current Path: C:\Users\justi\Desktop\1.18.2 MC Server.
Exception in thread "main" joptsimple.UnrecognizedOptionException: nogui is not a recognized option
at joptsimple.OptionException.unrecognizedOption(OptionException.java:108)
at joptsimple.OptionParser.handleLongOptionToken(OptionParser.java:510)
at joptsimple.OptionParserState$2.handleArgument(OptionParserState.java:56)
at joptsimple.OptionParser.parse(OptionParser.java:396)
at org.spigotmc.builder.Builder.main(Builder.java:175)
at org.spigotmc.builder.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:27)

fallow gust
#

Well obviously not on build tools

#

Build tools isn't the server

#

You invoke build tools

vital drift
#

Oh I think I see the issue

vital drift
#

1 sec let me screenshot

fallow gust
#

java -jar BuildTools.jar --rev latest

#

Is what you wanna run for build tools

#

That should spit out a spigot server jar once done

vital drift
#

Right so I have a BT.bat and the Buildtools.jar from the official website. The BT.bat file contains:

@echo off
title SpigotMC BuildTools Builder
IF NOT EXIST BuildTools (
    mkdir BuildTools
)
cd BuildTools
curl -z BuildTools.jar -o BuildTools.jar https://hub.spigotmc.org/jenkins/job/BuildTools/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/target/BuildTools.jar
set /p Input=Enter the version: || set Input=latest
set /p Java=Java 8 or Java 16 (for 1.17.1 only) or Java 17? || set Java=17
if %Java%==8 "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.8.0_333\bin\java" -jar BuildTools.jar --rev %Input%
if %Java%==16 "C:\Program Files\Eclipse Foundation\jdk-16.0.2.7-hotspot\bin\java" -jar BuildTools.jar --rev 1.17.1
if %Java%==17 "C:\Program Files\Eclipse Adoptium\jdk-17.0.2.8-hotspot\bin\java" -jar BuildTools.jar --rev %Input%
cls
if NOT %Java%==8 if NOT %Java%==17 if NOT %Java%==16 echo "Please rerun the .bat file and input 8 or 17 or 16 in java version"
echo "Done!"
pause```
#

But when I reun the .bat file, fill in the stuff I mentioned above, I just get the file in this folder

fallow gust
#

Okay ?

vital drift
#

Im supposed to get other files too right?

fallow gust
#

Yes

vital drift
#

Yeah well they're not appearing

fallow gust
#

Just run the command I posted above

#

Idk what that bat file is

#

Pretty random bs of a file XD

#

Open a console in the folder of the build tools jar

vital drift
#

It's literally in the docs for buildtools

fallow gust
#

Sounds like pretty not fun docs

#

Open a console in the folder of the build tools jar

#

java -jar BuildTools.jar --rev latest

#

And off it goes

vital drift
#

Im doing that rn

fallow gust
#

That BT script assumes some very wild path constants for your java installation

vital drift
#
Attempting to build version: 'latest'' use --rev <version> to override
Could not get version latest' does it exist? Try another version or use 'latest'
java.io.FileNotFoundException: https://hub.spigotmc.org/versions/latest'.json
        at java.base/sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream0(HttpURLConnection.java:1989)
        at java.base/sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getInputStream(HttpURLConnection.java:1585)
        at java.base/sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsURLConnectionImpl.getInputStream(HttpsURLConnectionImpl.java:224)
        at org.spigotmc.builder.Builder.get(Builder.java:828)
        at org.spigotmc.builder.Builder.main(Builder.java:309)
        at org.spigotmc.builder.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:27)

C:\Users\justi\Desktop\1.18.2_MC_Server>```
fallow gust
#

Eh, smach 1.20.2 then

#

Or well 1.18.2

#

I guess that's what you want

#

Instead of "latest"

vital drift
#

Alr well I guess Ill go download java 18 as well

fallow gust
#

👍

vital drift
# fallow gust 👍

Well, that worked thankfully. What do I do now though? The video I was following took a different approach (which didn't work)

fallow gust
#

Well you grab the spigot- jar

fallow gust
#

With that jar

vital drift
#

👍

vital drift
# vital drift

Im safe to delete these files right? I copied the spigot.jar to another folder

fallow gust
#

Yea

#

Given that 1.18.28# unsupported and does not receive any updates

#

There isn't much to update to XD

vital drift
#

👌

#

ehm, I dont feel like this is right

fallow gust
#

No that doesn't look particularly correct but then again

#

1.18.2 is not supported

vital drift
#

spigot?

#

buildtools?

fallow gust
#

The spigot team

#

If you run into bugs on unsupported versions, don't expect them to be fixed or looked into

#

You are pretty much completely on your own

vital drift
#

Oh alright, that sucks

#

Where can I find the supported versions?

fallow gust
#

Supported version is pretty much always just "latest"

#

E.g. 1.20.2

#

Once 1.20.3 releases and is stable, 1.20.2 goes unsupported and 1.23.2 is latest etc

vital drift
#

Ohh alright

#

well thats not gonna work for me so I'll just stick to 1.18.2
Thanks for all the help! 🙂

fallow gust
#

Good luck 👍

mellow dock
cunning ice
#

Hello, if I did it right: I set the size of the world map using worldborder to 15000x and 15000z world. It works.
And I want the world to be 15000x15000. Then I set the chunky radius to 15000? And I want the world to be 15000x15000 Is that right?

simple canopy
#

ok so I set up a bungeecord proxy and now I can't use /gamemode creative?

teal talon
#

?nologs

#

@hardy grail Yo

tribal comet
simple canopy
simple canopy
#

issue fixed

rain pawn
#

Hello, can anyone help me with my server? If so, can you tag me?

tawny dust
#

?ask

magic zenithBOT
#

If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for staff or topic experts. Don't ask to ask or ask if people are awake or available. Just ask the question to the channel straight out, and wait patiently for a reply. Make sure you use the right channel regarding the topic of your question. Create a thread in case the channel is already in use!

sick gazelle
#

Oh dear. Wrong channel..

north portal
#

what happens when a player login into a world that no longer exists? 🤔

teal talon
#

?tryandEe

#

?tryandsee

magic zenithBOT
north portal
#

or ask, maybe someone knows the answer

mellow dock
#

They get sent to the default world spawn

tribal comet
mellow dock
#

If there is no default world the server will refuse to start

tribal comet
snow dune
#

I get "Kicked whilst connect to hub: If you wish to use IP forwarding, please enable it in you BungeeCord config as well!" and in my BungeeCord config, I have it set to "ip_forward: true". All my spigot servers have "bungeecord: true"

fallen isle
#

im just making a server cause im bored

north portal
mellow dock
#

server.properties

tribal comet
#

if you delete the default world the server will just generate another default world

cloud shadow
#

Hello, does someone know a good claim chunk plugin?

#

for 1.20.2

simple canopy
#

is looking at minecraft server console considered admin abusing

#

not using it

#

just looking at it

runic rain
#

wat

#

I mean if you're using it to spy on your friends' messages, yeah, probably. But if you have a reason to be in there then it's a useful administrative tool lol

simple canopy
runic rain
#

weird

simple canopy
#

I said I only use it for moderation purposes and stuff like whitelisting but they said “looking or using it at all is admin abusing”

#

Lmao

#

I was like “no its not”

jovial shell
tawdry narwhal
jovial shell
#

well yeah, you can just edit the files and use commands just in creative but why wouldn't you use the console

tawdry narwhal
#

because sometimes its not convenient to do so if you have multiple servers. Second it depends how you setup everything. When I ran servers I had tools for logging purposes where I can view anything I needed from in game. Chats, actions, etc

remote shuttle
mellow dock
#

No idea

#

Datapack worldgen is kinda wack

remote shuttle
#

If I change settings minecraft:overworld to minecraft:noise

#

Do you think it would work?

#

Or maybe it's the type

idle token
#

You can also remove that

#

it will inherit from minecraft:overworld the way you have it currently

remote shuttle
#

Remove what, and what do you mean?

idle token
#

You will probably need to inline the settings then though

remote shuttle
#

Wdym

idle token
#

nvm, I misread. I thought you were getting vanilla terrain, not vanilla biomes. Terrain is controlled by the settings value, so removing that would have fixed the terrain. But if your issue are biomes, no idea. Sure the datapack is loading and applying without any errors?

remote shuttle
#

As well as vanilla biomes such as deep oceans

#

Well, I removed all the vanilla biomes from the biomes: [] array however they are still in a folder called minecraft

#

Should I delete them?

idle token
#

They shouldn't really be in your datapack if you are not planning on overriding what they do

#

Its similar to how resource packs work, you only need the files you want to change

remote shuttle
#

It's not mine, it's terralith

idle token
#

So probably your biomes and minecraft/dimension/overworld.json

remote shuttle
idle token
#

well no idea what terralith is doing, maybe they are changing vanilla biomes too

remote shuttle
#

should i delete, forge and c

#

idk what c is

remote shuttle
#

i just deleted all teh vanilla biomes from the array

idle token
#

shouldn't matter. Is your overworld.json without the vanilla biomes in /minecraft/dimension?

remote shuttle
#

ye

#

this is my overworld.json

#

no minecraft biomes

idle token
#

hmm, thats the correct place then. Any errors when loading the pack?

remote shuttle
#

no, apart from the vanilla biomes

idle token
#

yeah that looks fine as well, hmm

mellow dock
#

Are you by chance editing the wrong copy

remote shuttle
#

no

#

i zip this

#

and put it into the server

idle token
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I just did about the same thing as you. I downloaded Terralith, edited the overworld.json and removed all vanilla biomes (and a bunch of terralith biomes too because I was too lazy to properly replace, lol).
Works fine, just looks a bit weird

remote shuttle
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are u sure?

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did u go around

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a lot of places?

mellow dock
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Make sure you gen a new world

idle token
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I used /locate biome with common biomes like plains and river

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also like, it looks broken so it seems to work

summer comet
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lol beautiful statement "it looks broken so it seems to work"

remote shuttle
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a terralith biome lol

idle token
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it is

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its a terralith cave biome

remote shuttle
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so

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terralith

idle token
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lush_caves and andesite_caves in fact

remote shuttle
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isnt compatible

idle token
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huh?

remote shuttle
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its not

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compiatbble

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to have

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only terralith biomes

idle token
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Its literally what I just did and screenshotted?

remote shuttle
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ok but

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the caves biome

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isnt meant to have

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that top part

idle token
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Thats terrain

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Terrain is only partly controlled by biomes

remote shuttle
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hm

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so i cant have a proper

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only terralith generation

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unless terralith or i bother to code the terrain generation

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to do that

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cuz

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id prefer if there was like a nice

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terralith biome

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on top of the cave

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and not just grass fileds

idle token
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I wanted to see if removing vanilla biomes works. So I removed random biomes from the overworld.json. Now the biomes that happened to remain are mostly (terralith) caves

remote shuttle
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how di u remove

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all the vanilla biomes from the overworld.json

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its like 10k codes

idle token
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its a 40k line file, yeah. I just deleted all except for the top 100 lines, lol

remote shuttle
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i made a code

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to delete

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only the

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minecraft biomes from there

idle token
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Maybe that code isn't working correctly?

remote shuttle
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wdym

idle token
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Point is, removing vanilla biomes from that file works. I really only left the caves (lol), so the world looks weird. If you do it properly and not like me, you should end up with a world full of terralith biomes and likely even good looking terrain.
As to why its not working for you, maybe your code to remove the biomes doesn't work correctly. Or you are accidentally using the wrong datapack. Or you didn't re-create the world

remote shuttle
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The code worked, cause I searched for minecraft:

idle token
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but all of them are terralith, and as a result there are zero vanilla biomes in the world

remote shuttle
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Then why no mine work 😭

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I will red oit

lucid nymph
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Does anyone know if TAB still has a discord server?

light lava
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hey I have a question where can I find on spigot: disable-unloaded-chunk-enderpearl-exploit

old patrol
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Currently running a 1.8.8 server using ViaVersion & ViaRewind, having an issue where any player running 1.8 is able to see the nametag above a player's head when they're invisible (from a potion). Anyone able to fix this or show me a plugin that does would be greatly appreciated.

light lava
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Can someone explain to me how I can switch from spigot to paper without the world and the data being gone? I play with g portal

tawny dust
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Just replace the Spigot jar

umbral sun
light lava
light lava
umbral sun
light lava
barren zephyr
jagged nebula
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How do I publish my script in spigot ?

jovial shell
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plugin?

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or fork of spigot?

jagged nebula
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Java Skript

mellow dock
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I don't know if spigot accepts skripts?

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I've actually never looked

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Ah yeah there is a skript category

jagged nebula
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Just how do I publish my plugin in a faucet?

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@mellow dock Ok, how do I post it?

mellow dock
jagged nebula
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ok ❤️

thorn gale
jagged nebula
mellow dock
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Resources page

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You have to be logged in

jagged nebula
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ok ty done

jagged nebula
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How sell script my? @mellow dock

mellow dock
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You cannot post a skript as a premium resource

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Only plugins

jagged nebula
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ok ty ❤️

runic trench
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so i have a couple plugins but they have the same command, when i use the command lets say /bc it uses the /bc from plugin2. How can i make plugin1's bc higher priority?

teal talon
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Why do they have the same name

west cloak
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My server has a problem, can anyone help me?
Unlike vanilla on my server, for example, in Guardian Farms, when an entity passes through the portal and enters the Nether, it must be driven to the next portal by its AI, but the entities mostly stay in place or go to the portal very late.

How do I fix this problem?

runic trench
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not name

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both of them have for example /bc

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how do i choose which plugin would be the default one to run

dark violet
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if you dont want to, you can run commands like:
/plugin-name:command

fleet aspen
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hi guys, Im just asking if there is a plugin that works for 1.19 that loads the chunks that Minecarts are doing to. So the Minecarts dont get stuck in unloaded chunks

nocturne finch
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sounds abusable

fleet aspen
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wdym

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oh

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nvm its a private server with my friends

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@nocturne finch

nocturne finch
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well, idk any plugins like that

fleet aspen
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😦

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alright

olive oasis
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they should do that already

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but they stop after a certain amount of chunks

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couldnt tell you how many though

teal talon
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?ask

magic zenithBOT
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