#help-archived | SpigotMC | Page 49

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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so in a loop check if the player is online

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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if it's an sql database

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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because it seems simple

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1 uuid, name and a datajsonstring

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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It's literally the opposite of simple

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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parse and unparse on player join

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easy

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:28 PM

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It prevents you from writing proper sql queries

prisma basin Apr 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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        ProtocolManager protocolManager = ProtocolLibrary.getProtocolManager();
         protocolManager.addPacketListener(new PacketAdapter(this, ListenerPriority.HIGHEST, new PacketType[]{PacketType.Play.Client.TAB_COMPLETE}) {

            @Override
            public void onPacketSending(PacketEvent event) {

                if (event.getPacketType() == PacketType.Play.Client.TAB_COMPLETE) {

                    PacketContainer packetContainer = event.getPacket();
                    String msg = ((String)packetContainer.getSpecificModifier(String.class).read(0)).toLowerCase();

                        PacketContainer pack = new PacketContainer(PacketType.Play.Server.TAB_COMPLETE);
                        
                        String[] messages = {"1","2"}; 
                        for(int i=0;i>=pack.getStringArrays().size()-1;i++)
                        {
                            pack.getStringArrays().write(i, messages);
                        }

                        try {
                            protocolManager.sendServerPacket(event.getPlayer(), pack);
                        } catch (InvocationTargetException e) {
                            e.printStackTrace();
                        }

                }

            }

        });

    }```

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this is good?

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@keen compass

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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well i was also concernec about sql queries

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and them lagging the servers or being overloaded

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so i did it the json way

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cause theres a lot of data i edit with the games i made

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:29 PM

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if your queries are ran in another thread they won't lag the servers

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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i would be running like 100 queries for 9 players in a game every 1 minute

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instead of doing that i just edit their json data locally

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and update when they quit the network

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:30 PM

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...that is completely unrelated to json

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a cache works with everything

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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cache?

tiny dagger Apr 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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storing in memory

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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you can do the same with a proper sql table

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i know

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but caching what?

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i already chache the player objects

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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.....

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:31 PM

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if it were me I would optimize the DB and the code better

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in fact you can make functions with MySQL

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this way you don't need to use a query but just run the function and get the result

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which is much faster and recommended for you since you will be running the same query many times

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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It probably will be fine even with just prepared statements

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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but i saw how hypixel made an article how they had issues with mysql lag

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so if i can limit querying by editing json locally why not

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Hypixel uses MongoDB

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Hypixel has thousands of players, not a real comparison for something like what you are doing

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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im a multi millionaire

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i have 3000 servers

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and in cotact with youtubers

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im gonna have the next big thing

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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UHHH OHHHH

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y'all fked up

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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lmao

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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if that is the case, then why don't you just pay people to do this for you 😛

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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you didn't know he was a multimillionaire ???

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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i already have 20 games made

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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hire a developer then

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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yall are dead now

upper hearth Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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He's gonna get his dad to ban you on xbox guys

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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oh shit

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:33 PM

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this is my hobby i love creating games

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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ah

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and this is why you write production code

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I would probably hire a DBA then

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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but yeah if i can limit queres then i think its better to do so

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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for your big networks

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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MySQL can take hundreds of queries per second

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As long as you don't do anything stupid

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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make a function, will eliminate most of your queries you are going to be running

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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i have my network registered as a single member llc

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:34 PM

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function is unnecessary

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just use prepared statements

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good enough

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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^

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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well hypixel had issue with their sql so since ill be bigger than them i figured to take rpecatuinns

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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while it is unnecessary queries and functions are processed differently in MySQL

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functions are more optimal then queries

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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but why do any of that

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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that depends

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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You don't need functions for basic things ffs

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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and you'd still need parameterisation

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Get out

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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when i can just access the database per player 2 times max. when they join and when they quit?

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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you can still do that

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:35 PM

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ratehr than hundreds of times

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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?"?"?"

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huhhh

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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you can still use a cache with a proper db layout

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that's the point

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Use PreparedStatements and fetch their data when they log in, cache that and then when they log out you can save that shit

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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i already cache their data

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in their player object

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Then whats the issue

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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then wtf

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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idk

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:36 PM

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if you're talking performance, making a query for every single friend doesn't make your argument loook good

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i already cache their data
bro

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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    private Player player;
    private UUID uuid;
    private String name;
    private List<String> previousNames;
    private String clanTag;
    private String clanTagColor;
    private UUID partyUUID;
    private List<UUID> friends;
    private List<UUID> recentPlayers;
    private UUID playerLastMessagesUUID;
    private String primaryEmail;
    private String secondaryEmail;
    private String password;
    private String firstJoinDate;
    private Membership membership;
    private String membershipStarColor;
    private Language language;
    private boolean hasSelectedLanguage;
    private String ip;
    private List<String> previousIps;
    //translate chat
    //settings
    //voting
    //donating
    //referral

    public aPlayer(Player player) {
        this.player = player;
        this.uuid = player.getUniqueId();
        this.name = player.getName();
        this.previousNames = new ArrayList<String>(); 
        this.clanTag = null;
        this.clanTagColor = "&7";
        this.partyUUID = null;
        this.friends = new ArrayList<UUID>();
        this.recentPlayers = new ArrayList<UUID>();
        this.playerLastMessagesUUID = null;
        this.primaryEmail = null;
        this.secondaryEmail = null;
        this.password = null;
        this.firstJoinDate = null;
        this.membership = null;
        this.membershipStarColor = "&7";
        this.language = Network.getRealm().getPrimaryLanguage();
        this.hasSelectedLanguage = false;
        this.ip = player.getAddress().getAddress().toString();
        this.previousIps = new ArrayList<String>(); 
    }

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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how do you not get this

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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when they join their json is used to get those parametrs

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vars*

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Use Set for UUIDs

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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So if you already get all the data and have it in memory wtf

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what is the problem

prisma basin Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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@keen compass i find this on forum "that this will only work on MC versions up to the latest 1.12, as from 1.13 on, there's a new approach, quoting another thread"

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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thats what im saying lol

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Using a single text property in your table instead of multiple fields is not how you do sql

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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why are you still worried about hundreds of database accesses?

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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use nosql for shit like that

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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You can use SQL for json

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Its fine

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i use uuid, name and 1 jsonsting

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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@prisma basin then use the new approach

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:38 PM

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thats it

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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But what's the point of an sql table if all of your data is stored in json

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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... use an ORM with a java bean and save yourself the trouble

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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SQL databases are more reliable than NoSQL first of all

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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they wanted me to use mysql hundreds of times instead of only 2

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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How are you gonna query on json values lmao

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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But this is not how you use sql

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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i use sql so i can have global data across servers

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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you can't leverage any advantage of sql if you don't actually use its mechanics to store your data

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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0NF database design xd

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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any persisted format allows you "global data across servers"

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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i just needed a solution to have the same data across my network

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and sql was it

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:39 PM

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If you acutally need to query data on that json then i feel bad

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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^

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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its not a json

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its a json string

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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bruh

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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its just player data

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lik ekills, deaths etc

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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please tell me the difference

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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you can persist across multiple servers using SQL, NoSQL, MongoDB, NBT, JSON, TOML, HOCON, YAML, whatever the fuck you want

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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saved wh a yer quits and downloaded on join

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yeah, but why not just use fields? It's the same amount of data but you'd have separations

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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^^

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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So you only query specific things when you need them

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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because im not displaying anythn ebste

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:40 PM

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this is literally why you use sql

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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websites

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so whats the point

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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wat

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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all leaderboards are inn game

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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websites

prisma basin Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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@keen compass please give me example 😭 this is too hard

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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I think you need to look into what databases are

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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im self taught have patience

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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I mean, dynmap uses database to store BLOB images

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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I don't like the sound of having leaderboards and storing only json strings on DB

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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So idk

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Lmao

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:41 PM

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@prisma basin as I already stated I don't have an example on hand.

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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i just learn what i need to learn and use what i need to use to get my network ideas a reality thats all

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no i have a seperate sql table for leaderboards

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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The benefit of splitting it up into fields lets you query specific things. If you need to refresh a specific leaderboard you can.

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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uuid,name,deaths,kills,kdr etc

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Then it sounds like fine solution

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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just hire a few devs and pay them a decent wage, should be possible as a multi millionaire

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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To some degree

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Because if you have a kills leaderboard and you parse ALL of the player data on join, the leaderboard won't update until the player relogs.

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@bronze marten that is normal for images, to store them as BLOBS because BLOBS is just bytes stored as is.

prisma basin Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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@keen compass can you write please 😭

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Yes but why use a database to store images

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:42 PM

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If you split into fields, you can refresh things that update frequently sooner without needing to query EVERYTHING

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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the kills/deaths oin json are only for th eplayers pratcice stats which arent compared on leaderboards

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Why use file system to store images? It's a database in some sense too

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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because then you don't need physical files @bronze marten

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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store data as html content and use javascript to get the element via id with nashorn and then use it in java

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this is the way

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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They will still be stored as physical files

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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why would i hire devs if i hasve fun doing this myself

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Its not about WHAT you store in the database. Its about HOW YOU USE that data

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Well depends still

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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renaming them is easier, removing them is easier and takes up less space on the HDD

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Then it sounds like fine solution
@iron nebula But it's not, they want to get all friends of a player and sort them and can't use sql for that because of that reason

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Get their friends in what sense?

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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why use sql when you can use plain text

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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i use TEXT

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with a json string

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Oh jezz

prisma basin Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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@keen compass please write to me example tab sugestion packet whitelist 😭 😭 🤧

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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lol

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Doesn't MySQL have own data types for JSON

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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yes but idk how to use it

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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separate your fields with a symbol like # then split the string at the #

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Dunno, I work on postgres about this shit

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Get their friends in what sense?
@iron nebula see above... that's why the question arised in the first place. they first get a list of uuids from the database and then query each uuid individually and then sort the result in java

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:45 PM

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public static List<guiPlayer> getTempsInOnlineOrder(aPlayer ap, List<UUID> uuids){
        List<guiPlayer> online = new ArrayList<guiPlayer>();
        List<guiPlayer> offline = new ArrayList<guiPlayer>();
        for(UUID uuid : uuids) {
            guiPlayer guiPlayer = new guiPlayer(uuid);
            if(guiPlayer.isOnline()) {
                online.add(guiPlayer);
            }else {
                offline.add(guiPlayer);
            }
        }
        online.sort(Comparator.comparing(guiPlayer::getName));
        offline.sort(Comparator.comparing(guiPlayer::getName));
        online.addAll(offline);
        return online;
    }```

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:45 PM

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@iron nebula yes https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/json.html

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:45 PM

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or you can store your data as individual items in The Sims and use python java interop to read The Sims map and check specific coordinates for an item type

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Oh okay so he fetches all the users separately okay

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:45 PM

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btw that code looks ugly

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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i just wanted to know of any way to optimize the above without doing all the sql stuff

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Seperate your friends to another table

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I already told you

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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wait what the FUCK is the point of generating an offline list if you don't return it?

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excuse me immediately

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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he adds offline to online

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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oh okay

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we love that

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why separate them

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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online shows first in alphabet order then offline in alphabet order

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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probably to sort them differently

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:46 PM

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because on my network friend lists are unlimited limit

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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how about using a map or an object that holds two lists

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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aye @granite cedar

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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so it will be hard to find friends

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Even without changing anything about the database, you can improve that code https://discordapp.com/channels/690411863766466590/690470011382267904/704727448255987762

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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EnumMap<OnlineStatus, List<Player>> idfk

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Oh jezzz

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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my brain hurts a bit

fading frost Apr 28, 2020, 4:47 PM

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don't

green lodge Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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quick question, I have a server with 3.75 gigs of ram. How much should I give my server while taking the virtual machine into account

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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use mysql to sort the list and the stuff that in a list object. in a loop, check if they are online remove those that are not and stuff in another list. Voila two ordered lists without having to do the ordering with Java 😉

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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ok so how would i do that @fading frost

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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But if you plan to have unlimited sized friends then you are having big problem

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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you can sort with sql

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Hypixels servers were crashing because they didn't limit their friend list sizes

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They had to put the limit to 5k

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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i know

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thats because they dont do sql like i do

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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LOL

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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xDDD

green lodge Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I can give it more very easily

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:48 PM

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well you don't use SQL efficiently either

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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they access sql hundreds of time vs me with just 2 times per player

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at least im not overloading sql

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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it's very arrogant to claim you're doing stuff better than the largest server

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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very hard to overload it if you optimize your DB structure

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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This is not about how you read the SQL

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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which will have the best developers all on a nice pay

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Its about how efferently you can process that friend list on the game server

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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as far as connections goes, MySQL can literally handle thousands of connections per second

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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im an industrial engineer my job is to innovate

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:49 PM

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And having 5k friends to process thru takes CPU time

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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@granite cedar That doesn't matter at all... Just because you only do it when the player connects doesn't mean it won't lag.

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Keeping track of their state etc

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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It just means it will lag VERY HARD but only when they join.

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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consider this: my toes

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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The SQL is the fastest part here

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The bottleneck is your Java code

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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do you know how much a LONG_TEXT can hold?

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it can certainly have over 5k uuids

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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do not use that

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wtf

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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lmao

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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lol....

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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use PostgreSQL or H2 with the UUID type you dumb bitch

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Yeah but like why...?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Comparing dick sizes doesn't help anyone here

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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because his job is to innovate

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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i just access sql when player join and when they quit unlke hypixel

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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its not about DB access

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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If a server crashes, nothing will save correctly.

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SQL isn't even the issue here.

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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thats why i will handle 100,000+ players while hypxiel is still updating to 1.9

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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It's the sorting of 5000 uuids.

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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LOL

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Jesus

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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🤦 this is hurting

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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one hundred thousand

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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i have a caching thing for that zaxarner

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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You're not better than Hypixel. They're the biggest server ever.

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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SQL as stated and its been proven as its continued to be used industry wide handle literally thousands of connections per second if you tune it to do so.

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:51 PM

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but can it handle one hundred thousand players? that is the question.

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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if it crashed its saved to flat file if it cant save to sql and when it restartes it uploads to sql

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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You know the SQL can process hundreds of millions rows in a second as long as you have your indexes set up correctly, SQL is not your problem

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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it can handle millions, but can it handle one hundred thousand?

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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then what was hypixels problem with not being able to handle 5k+ friends?

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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think about that next time @iron nebula

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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the java code

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Lmao

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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as stated likely

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Don

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Its about keeping their online status in memory

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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okay I'm done :)

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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And tracking it

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:52 PM

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ohhhh i see

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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if you query for a large enough data set, it will cause some slow downs if no optimizations are done on either end

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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well idk how they code but my way is flawless

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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hahah no

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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lol

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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okay im really done this time :)

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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- flawless

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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i cant anymore

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gonna go back to exams

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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im only loading 50 friends a page

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if mysql can handle miliions per second whats the problem?

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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WAUIT OKAY IM BACK

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:53 PM

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no go away

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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so you're only pulling 50 from the database at a time?

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but I thought you said you get everything when the player connects?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Don, how do u plan to to keep their online status? :)

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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player objects

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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how about check if the Player object is null

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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And where do you store those objects

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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eventually that eats up resources

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if you make enough of them

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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let bukkit store that

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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in java

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Bukkit.getPlayer() or something

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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in java

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🤦

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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in java

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Lmao

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:54 PM

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- in java

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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personally I would probably toss redis in between to handle the caching

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Or microservice

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Better

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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only have 10-20 players on a server at any given time

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itll handle it

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

#

K

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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not one hundred thousand?

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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but you're bigger than hypixel?

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Don hi don!

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hello don?

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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i have 3000 dedicated servers from an old colocation that shutdown

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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will u ever say hi to me

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:55 PM

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hi

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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yay

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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wtf does that have to do with being bigger than hypixel

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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i have connections with youtubers too

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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3000 dedicated servers -exasperated sigh-

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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im about to open a warehouse with a fiber cable

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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my server is Jenna Marbles approved and James Charles certified

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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nice don

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:56 PM

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so...you are not using those 3k servers then

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but just have them

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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i have 3001

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hby

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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he iz

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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thats what the warehouse is for

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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that you don't have yet

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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and the tax write off is gonna be crazy lol

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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i have two fiber cables

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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So you have 3k decicated servers for peak of 20 ccu

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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👍

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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im a multi millionaire so youre gonna see my network probably on tv

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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doubt it

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but ok

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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hahaha

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Bru

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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working on a partnership with mojang too

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I think this kids is trolling at this point

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lmao

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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if you're a multi millionare why aren't you paying developers instead of hacking together something yourself

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and why are you investing in minecraft

hasty forge Apr 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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how to remove this selection on windows 10? when i move the slider everything is selection

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granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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lol well im back to coding PEACE

bronze marten Apr 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Oh are you from planetminecraft to inspect my mc server?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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If you have money like you said and all this equipment, then why are you even here?

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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@hasty forge why is your font so ugly

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also wdym Windows 10... java is platform agnostic

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:58 PM

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@dusty topaz this is a hobby of mine. i have a industrial engineering degree this is just whats in my dna to do. come into stuff and innovate innovate innovate

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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your degree is meaningless if you're a millionare

runic wadi Apr 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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your dna is spastic. goodbye.

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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yes I understand that, but you could literally pay someone to teach you this stuff though

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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i made millions with my degree

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 4:59 PM

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@hasty forge Buy a decent monitor that has decent aspect ratio...

green lodge Apr 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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lets say I have 4.5 gigs of ram, is 500mb of ram left over enough for just the ubuntu machine

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I'm using GCP

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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should be if nothing else is on it

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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it just sounds like you want to create it yourself because you don't want to spend the money to have someone else do it even though it would financially be better that way if you are going to launch a very large network.

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I don't think that is their situation frostalf

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they're not planning to launch a very large network

green lodge Apr 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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running no plugins or mods 😛

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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they're planning to hack together a friends menu

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and call it hypixel

hasty forge Apr 28, 2020, 5:00 PM

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give money and I will buy) a question. how to remove this selection when i move the slider all the text is selection

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:01 PM

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You can buy my $5 for $10 ^

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getStringList will return an empty list if the list doesn't exist

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so the list doesn't exist

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so you're likely loading the yaml file incorrectly

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https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/config-files/ give this a read

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Guys I'm using a new technique to store millions of users in a database! I'm using txt file that preallocates 2Mb for each user to make sure the player file can be saved at all times and using file pointers to parse the json string as a POCO! Also for fast access I'm using excel for indexing

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:03 PM

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can LivingEntity#getEquipment ever return null for an armor stand?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:03 PM

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sounds like an awesome system @iron nebula

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:03 PM

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@boreal tiger checked the docs?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Yes, its a flawless!

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:03 PM

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@frigid ember that is how I have always done it

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:04 PM

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the doc only says "Gets the inventory with the equipment worn by the living entity."

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but an armor stand would always have the equpment invetory no?

silk bane Apr 28, 2020, 5:04 PM

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@boreal tiger yeah

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the API should override that method in all relevant subclasses and annotate @NotNull as appropriate

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but honestly who can be bothered to do that

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:05 PM

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hahah xD

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cool thanks 👌

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intellij's warning was pissing me off lmao

silk bane Apr 28, 2020, 5:05 PM

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you can assert var != null

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and intellij will stop complaining

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:05 PM

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@frigid ember I think YamlConfiguration#loadConfiguration is going to load the file? iirc it will return a FileConfiguration object loaded with the red values and keys from the file.

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:05 PM

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assert throws an exception if its not what I want isnt it?

silk bane Apr 28, 2020, 5:05 PM

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assert doesn't do anything at runtime if you don't enable assertions

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:06 PM

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ah right 👍

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thank you again

tiny dagger Apr 28, 2020, 5:06 PM

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are there any similar names to datawatcher?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Well it will make the most things for you except creating the file if it doesn’t exist?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:06 PM

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https://gist.github.com/frostalf/07c61846b8fe5c5079b42328374a1872
@frigid ember to load custom yml files ^ an example might need tweaking idk.

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:09 PM

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change mostly to how I am doing it and it should work :p

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is there any difference to YamlConfiguration.loadConfiguration(f); and

FileConfiguration config = new YamlConfiguration();
config.load(f);

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I've always done it the latter way but it seems everyone else is doing it the former

hasty forge Apr 28, 2020, 5:11 PM

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how to disable this selection when i move the slider all text selection

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dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:11 PM

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get a better monitor

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with a good aspect ratio

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@frigid ember because you're typing loadConfiguration not load

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    private void loadDataFile() {
        try {
            dataFile = new File(getDataFolder(), "data.yml");
            if (!dataFile.exists()) {
                dataFile.getParentFile().mkdirs();
                dataFile.createNewFile();
            }

            data = new YamlConfiguration();
            data.load(dataFile);
        }
        catch (IOException | InvalidConfigurationException err) {
            getLogger().severe("Failed to load data.yml file!");
            err.printStackTrace();
            getServer().getPluginManager().disablePlugin(this);
        }
    }

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this is my code to do it

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that I usually use

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where:

    private File dataFile;
    private FileConfiguration data;

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:12 PM

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@silk bane know Veron?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Frostalf seeems good. But when I load I always make sure to make a new file instance that I’m loading

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Obviously depends on what you’re doing b

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:13 PM

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I usually just do YamlConfiguration.loadConfiguration(file);
never had problems doing it that way

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:13 PM

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i wonder if there is any internal difference

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:13 PM

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you can look at the code

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:14 PM

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in FileConfiguration
    public void load(File file) throws FileNotFoundException, IOException, InvalidConfigurationException {
        Validate.notNull(file, "File cannot be null");
        FileInputStream stream = new FileInputStream(file);
        this.load((Reader)(new InputStreamReader(stream, UTF8_OVERRIDE && !UTF_BIG ? Charsets.UTF_8 : Charset.defaultCharset())));
    }

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Yes well I’m talking about the File not the YamlConfiguration itself

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:14 PM

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    public static YamlConfiguration loadConfiguration(File file) {
        Validate.notNull(file, "File cannot be null");
        YamlConfiguration config = new YamlConfiguration();

        try {
            config.load(file);
        } catch (FileNotFoundException var3) {
        } catch (IOException var4) {
            Bukkit.getLogger().log(Level.SEVERE, "Cannot load " + file, var4);
        } catch (InvalidConfigurationException var5) {
            Bukkit.getLogger().log(Level.SEVERE, "Cannot load " + file, var5);
        }

        return config;
    }

#

looks like they're the same

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:14 PM

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But, I also keep a single object though per yml file, but I usually don't have many yml files I need to load. If I had to load many yml files I would probably do it your way

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Does someone know how to create a variable named like the return of a Method?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:14 PM

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The static method doesn’t make a new File instance from what I can see

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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@iron nebula explain what exactly went wrong with hypixel and their friend system please

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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neither of them make a new file

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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^

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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probably encountered OOM errors

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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loadConfiguration just calls load

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and makes the new YamlConfiguraiton for you

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Indeed

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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so it's doing it over one line as opposed to two

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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They ran out of RAM

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Literally

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Well loadConfiguration handles the exceptions for you

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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they ram out of ran

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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lmao

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Their friend system used 96GB's of RAM

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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was it today?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:15 PM

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gg

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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No, thats the old system

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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they should have just got more ram

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XD

boreal tiger Apr 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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lol 😂

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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he's a millionare

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won't be an issue

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Does someone know how to create a variable named like the return of a Method?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Why have 96GB when we can have 96YB 😮

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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String myVar = myMethod();

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:16 PM

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@frigid ember wym?

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You can name a method to anything almost

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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lets say my method returns "var1" then should a var with the name "var1" be created

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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and if the class extends a another class that finalizes a method

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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no, it doesn't work like that @frigid ember

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:17 PM

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how did their friend system manage to use 96gb of ram? @iron nebula

#

what did they do in their code to cause that?

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

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not sure why you would want to do it like that

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

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because they had so much data, that caching it in Java used that much resources

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

#

k

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Well Imagine having like 70k of online users and all of them having friends

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

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if I was one of the users

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Thats a lof of data to keep in memory and process

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

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with an unlimited size friends list

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:18 PM

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then only 69999 would have friends

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because I have no friends :(

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Lets say you have 70k online users and they all have at least 50 users

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:19 PM

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if each of those 70k players has at least 100 friends, thats 7million players being processed

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Thats 3,5m of objects

#

Okay lmao

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:19 PM

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okay

#

so hypixel stored players friends in memory?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:19 PM

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You need to if they are online

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:19 PM

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explain

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Thats how computers work

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Can't access data if its not there you know

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:20 PM

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you arent explaining

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Logical sense ?

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:20 PM

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its not like 70k players on one server

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so where is lag coming from

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:21 PM

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it wasn't lag that killed them, literally the servers crashed due to not having enough ram

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:21 PM

#

how does a server run out of ram

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due to players having too many friends??/

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Yes

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

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how?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Objects require resources

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more objects you create the more ram you need

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

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You know having no limit and having limited resources is not that great of combination

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

#

so hypixel stored a players entire friends list when they join?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

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even if you are adding data to existing objects, they still use up a small bit more of ram

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Snowball its more complicated than that

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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so hypixel stored a players entire friends list when they join???

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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yes

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how else would you keep track of it

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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yes, but for every single player that joined

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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thats stupid

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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lmao

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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and you tell me they have the worlds best devs

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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but that is the exact thing you are doing o.O

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:23 PM

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im storing strings

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not objects

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I'm done

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:24 PM

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strings are still objects in java

#

but ok

#

Java is OOP

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:24 PM

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strings are arrays of chars with some extra methods

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:24 PM

#

Here we have our multibillionaire with his degree

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:24 PM

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millionaire

silk bane Apr 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

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everything is an object except for the things that aren't objects 😉

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

#

U do also know processing strings use more CPU and RAM

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

#

but what did hypixel contatsntly track their friends online ststus or something?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Thats how it works...

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

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well said @silk bane lol

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

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well thats stupid

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Well how else would you know they are online unless you keep track of it

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???

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

#

how did they track online status?

tiny dagger Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

#

hypixel is pulling your data on join

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

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with bungeecord?

tiny dagger Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

#

that's all

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

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No

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

#

probably with redis

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

#

They have tens of bungees

hasty forge Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

#

how to turn off selection in chat? when I move the slider all the text selection

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

#

They have whole seperate application to take care of your friend list because its just that big of network

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:26 PM

#

so how often do they track players status?

#

every second?

#

every minute?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

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They track it the whole session they are logged in

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

#

how often

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

#

Every ns

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

#

do they drun checks

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

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No

#

Its just basic

#

When you log in -> You are marked as logged in

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

#

right

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:27 PM

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When you log out -> They remove your status

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:28 PM

#

what does that have to do with tracking friends status

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:28 PM

#

zzz

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:28 PM

#

how often will they track your friends list if you join?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:28 PM

#

now we are going back in circles

#

sigh

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:28 PM

#

They load it in to the memory

#

Everything happens only when someone logs in or logs out

#

Memory and RAM is the same thing

#

zzz

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:29 PM

#

so a player joins and all 5k of their friends are stored in the memory as online and offline?

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:29 PM

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what about the unrandom access memory 😠

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:29 PM

#

Don, YES

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:29 PM

#

and when a friend goes offline on a different server how does it work?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Like I said, they have whole separate application for it, microservice

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:30 PM

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thats stupid

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Its not

#

Its smart

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:30 PM

#

^

#

its obviously better since their servers are not crashing

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:30 PM

#

why would they want to cache/track 5k friends when they only need to know a friends stats when opening a gui?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Because imagine when there are 70k of online users there

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

#

and?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

#

Fetching it as soon as someone asks for it is too slow

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

#

we both gave the same example XD

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

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you are fetching from mysql which can handle millions per second

#

so whats the issue?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

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That its too slow for them

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

#

fetching and sorting it depending how large the data set is can be too slow

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

#

HAHA

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:31 PM

#

They need to go way faster

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:32 PM

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which is not the same as as mysql couldn't handle it connection wise either

#

two separate issues there

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:32 PM

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When you are dealing with 70k of ccu the very simple things needs to be more than just fast

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

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smh this is why us industrial engineers are a rare breed

toxic moat Apr 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

Keep in mind, that there have been 18 million unique players on Hypixel as well.

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

not sure what industrial engineering has to do with this o.O

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

#

you certainly are a rare breed

granite cedar Apr 28, 2020, 5:33 PM

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i have so many ideas, im taking over the mc schene. industrial engineers are basically professional inventors.

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im going to SHOW yall rather than keep talking. laterr 8)

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:34 PM

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haha ok

#

goodbye

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:34 PM

#

and the irony of those that actually did invent things most of them not being industrial engineers

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Well lets say you have 70k ccu, and they perform one action at least once in a minute, thats at least 1k requests to handle PER SECOND

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Performing one task in a minute is pretty slow, so you can expect there are shit ton of requests per second

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:35 PM

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the bottle neck was obviously the mc server/plugin which can't keep up with that

tiny dagger Apr 28, 2020, 5:35 PM

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you should let him have his way guys

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when his plugin reaches 300% lag he'll know why

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:p

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:36 PM

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it won't just lag, it will just crash

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XD

tiny dagger Apr 28, 2020, 5:36 PM

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lol

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Don with 3000 dedicated servers with his 20 ccu: Burn my bby, burn

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:36 PM

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lol

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If I had 3k rack servers, I would probably just open up my own dedicated server hosting

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instead of trying to mess with an MC network

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and just target MC people

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probably a better avenue of approach as far as revenue goes then MC network

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:38 PM

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If I had 3k empty racks laying around I would just maybe sell them

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:38 PM

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well, I have been wanting to open my own datacenter. And if I had 3k racks that would certainly help my goal in that 😛

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:39 PM

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You can have 1 rack and call it data center

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:39 PM

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nitrous networks moment

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:39 PM

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lol

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I need more then that. need to have a datacenter going with more then just a rack if I want to force the local ISP to compete 😉

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:40 PM

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rack dc cheap to set up

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no

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tower

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i cant think

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Well debends how you want to compete with them, one rack can get it all started

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:40 PM

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yes it can, but I need the upstream bandwidth

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:40 PM

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You dont need much to get the ball rolling

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Well u need fiber then

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:41 PM

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u need decent premises too

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Yes, but currently only the local ISP owns the fiber, so goal is to use Local ISP initially for the fiber, then start rolling out my own fiber as I get more racks filled. Once I have enough and rolled out my own fiber, I make PTP to other data centers, then I can switch to being an ISP as well to compete

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I have 23 acres of land @silk gate

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:42 PM

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oh

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right

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that helps

toxic moat Apr 28, 2020, 5:42 PM

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So, quick question for you guys.

I'm messing around with the EntityDamageEvent, I have my code working so that if pretty much anything, it'll cancel the event. When it touches a cactus or is on fire for too long, it'll disappear, however, I can still walk up and pick it up.

I'm certain this is a visual bug on the client side, is there something I can do server side to push an update to the client to continue rendering it?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:44 PM

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we will just let @granite cedar believe he is the only one here who has money @silk gate 😉

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I have few euros!

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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little does he know, i am the ceo of microsoft

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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i have a hundred quid in my bank 😎

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crazy money

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I have no idea how much quid is even worth

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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like 81 cents

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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a lot

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$1.24

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kinda low

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I also have 1m of doge coins

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:45 PM

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:o

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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😎

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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well its worth more then Euros

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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i had 6 garlicoin when they were going for $2.50

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I have a 1/10000th of a bitcoin sooo

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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and decided to hodl

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Euros is almost worth the same as USD now

silk gate Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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and now theyre worth literally $0.00000

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Good, that should teach u a lesson

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Quid is worth 16 cents more then a Euro

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XD

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Might be a good time to invest in some Euros actually

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with it being quite low

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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people invest in actual currencies?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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1m of doge coins is actually $2358

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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except who would buy them

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:47 PM

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@dusty topaz Yes, because it is cheaper then converting currency

wary viper Apr 28, 2020, 5:48 PM

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hi, how get bukkit world or send NMS from bungeecord to bukkit?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:48 PM

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lol

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Thats not how it works

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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anyways, I have had my laugh for the day. I have some work that needs to be done XD

wary viper Apr 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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;c

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Well some other day we have more stupid people here

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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have fun @iron nebula

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:49 PM

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No

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I have shit to do too

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And I have wasted enuf time here

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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yeah I agree

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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[23:11:06] [Server thread/ERROR]: null
org.bukkit.command.CommandException: Unhandled exception executing command 'test' in plugin DiscordStats v1.0
    at org.bukkit.command.PluginCommand.execute(PluginCommand.java:47) ~[spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]
    at org.bukkit.command.SimpleCommandMap.dispatch(SimpleCommandMap.java:149) ~[spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]
    at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_15_R1.CraftServer.dispatchCommand(CraftServer.java:711) ~[spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]
    at net.minecraft.server.v1_15_R1.PlayerConnection.handleCommand(PlayerConnection.java:1657) ~[spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]
    at net.minecraft.server.v1_15_R1.PlayerConnection.a(PlayerConnection.java:1497) ~[spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]
    at net.minecraft.server.v1_15_R1.PacketPlayInChat.a(PacketPlayInChat.java:47) ~[spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]
    at net.minecraft.server.v1_15_R1.PacketPlayInChat.a(PacketPlayInChat.java:1) ~[spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]
    at net.minecraft.server.v1_15_R1.PlayerConnectionUtils.lambda$0(PlayerConnectionUtils.java:19) ~[spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]
    at net.minecraft.server.v1_15_R1.TickTask.run(SourceFile:18) [spigot-1.15.2.jar:git-Spigot-800b93f-8160e29]

Error ^

import org.bukkit.Statistic;
import org.bukkit.command.Command;
import org.bukkit.command.CommandExecutor;
import org.bukkit.command.CommandSender;
import org.bukkit.entity.Player;

public class Test implements CommandExecutor {

    @Override
    public boolean onCommand(CommandSender sender, Command cmd,  String label, String[] args) {
        if (sender instanceof Player) {
            Player player = (Player) sender;
            int blocksMined = player.getStatistic(Statistic.MINE_BLOCK);
            player.sendMessage("You have mined " + blocksMined + " blocks");
        }
        return true;
    }
}

Code ^

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Why is it giving that error?

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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?paste

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Whenever I use the command, it gives that error

worldly heathBOT Apr 28, 2020, 5:50 PM

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https://paste.md-5.net/

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Can you paste more of the error?

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 5:51 PM

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can you paste the full stack trace

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yeah lool

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:51 PM

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xD okay

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wait a sec

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Use that link please.

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:52 PM

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https://hastebin.com/yoxakeqiwu.cs

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I used this, is it okay?

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Read the exception

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Look at line 21 in the paste you sent us.

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Additional?

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Yup.

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:53 PM

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parameter

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:53 PM

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The MINE_BLOCK statistic isn't for every block mined.

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Oh

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:53 PM

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It's for mining a specific block. It's asking you to specify which block.

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I was actually trying to get total blocks player has mined

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Loop thru all the materials :kappa:

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Haha no

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Yeah that’s how we do it

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Isn't there another statistic for that?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Docs ?

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Oh wow I guess there isn't.

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:55 PM

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isokissa I don't want all materials? I just want the amount of blocks a player has mined

iron nebula Apr 28, 2020, 5:55 PM

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🤦‍♂️

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:56 PM

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can you please be specific?

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 5:56 PM

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The statistic is for getting the number of times a player broke a certain block.

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So you'll have to get the statistic for every block and add them up.

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Oh okay

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Or use scoreboard?

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Scoreboard?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Yeah

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I think there is a criteria for block breaking

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Like add a scoreboard everytime player breaks a block?

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Add to scoreboard*

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Huh

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Whut

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I’m talking about org.bukkit.scoreboard.Scoreboard

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Ahh oki

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Let me see

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What if

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I use variables?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Wym

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Like everytime player breaks or places a block, it will add it to the variable

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Huh

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:03 PM

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You can do that. You need a way to save it though; either a database or a file.

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Because variables get wiped on server restart.

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I was thinking to use database

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yes

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I can't use file

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database would be better

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:05 PM

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The only problem I know with some scoreboard objectives is that they show a value of 0 unless initialized and loaded.

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It’s mainly bad for showing current health

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Meaning all players would have to take damage when joining to initalize the score but maybe it’s different here

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Conclure

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If they break block, it will initalize the score

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:10 PM

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Yes?

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That’s why I thought it would be no problem here

cold wharf Apr 28, 2020, 6:11 PM

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yes

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It is not a problem here

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Also register the Objective if it’s not registered

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Does anybody still have spigot 1.7 src with working dependencies? (Paper would work too)

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 6:20 PM

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🤦

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https://howoldisminecraft1710.today/

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:20 PM

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No.

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Update your server.

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:22 PM

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@dusty topaz 1.7 is the best version from a pvp perspective

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:22 PM

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1.7 jeez ppl still use it

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:22 PM

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so no thanks

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:22 PM

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I’d say 1.8 is

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:23 PM

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definitely 1.7

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 6:23 PM

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i'd say nobody cares what is the best for pvp, use latest or don't expect any support

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:23 PM

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@velvet hound No. pre 1.9 pvp is garbage

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Why is 1.7 better for pvp than 1.8

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:23 PM

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@radiant pollen post 1.9 pvp is trash unlike 1.7/1.8

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Okay some of the animations might be more helpful but still

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I disagree

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:24 PM

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It’s not trash but it’s preferences

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Still no cd pvp 1.8 is better than 1.7

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:24 PM

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In 1.7 there is a certain serverside lag which allows better hit registration as well as a better enchanting system

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Better enchanting system and server side lag?

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Wow you sound stupid.

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1.7 and 1.8 pvp is nothing but autoclickers

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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1.7 lit

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bruh

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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But I am not asking if the majority of the peoiple here like 1.7; I am asking if anybody still has spigot 1.7 src with working dependencies? (Paper would work too)

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Auto clicker doesn’t help

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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spigot 1.7.10 exist

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download it

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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No, there’s no reason for anyone to still have the spigot 1.7 src

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:25 PM

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There’s a video by tenebrous on 1.7 vs 1.8 pvp that goes more in detail if you want to look it up

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let him ffs

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jeez judging community

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let him get what he wants

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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It's no longer supported

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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i stead of saying how bad 1.7 is

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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and it shouldn't be

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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why

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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I need the src with working dependecies tho

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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just let it be

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Because only 1.14 and 1.15 are supported

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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ok..

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good reasoning

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:26 PM

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@velvet hound decompile it?

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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just this community hates on 1.15 or less users

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Is it not obfuscated?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Nms is?

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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i ask for support on a 1.8 or even 1.13 plugin development

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they harrass me

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for not using 1.15

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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1.8 is 5 years old

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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i said or even 1.13

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Because only 1.14 and 1.15 are supported

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Also can I then re-compile it with a slight change? @naive goblet

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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two days ago i was harasse for not using 1.15

warped shuttle Apr 28, 2020, 6:27 PM

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It’s not our fault you choose to use out of date software lol

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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and apparenty im ruining the community

warped shuttle Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Why are you being so entitled

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Are you looking to make a fork?

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Because only 1.14 and 1.15 are supported

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Diamond depends on what you mean by supported

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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people said im a retard

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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There's no point in supporting old versions especially when they're ass. :]

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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for using outdated software

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some people like old versions

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thats opinion thing

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Exactly

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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But it means you won’t get support

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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So why hate me for not wanting to support 1.8

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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That’s something that comes with it

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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then dont call people retards

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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if it's an opinion thing

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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no what i hate

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:28 PM

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devs dont want to do it so they dont

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it's an opinion thing

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;]

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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is i was called a retard for using it

hoary parcel Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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asking support for unsupported versions is infact retarded

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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But dispite this discussion does anybody still have spigot 1.7 src with working dependencies? (Paper would work too)

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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no

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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No

hoary parcel Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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because you know, they are unsupported 😄

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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i was called retarded for using it

warped shuttle Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Please make your life harder and support lower versions while I pay you $0 😃

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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@velvet hound no

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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some stuff stay the some up to higher versions

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Old I do have it on my old pc which I can access later

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:29 PM

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aight ty

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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using 1.8 client is apparently retarded here

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that is what was said

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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yes

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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i didn’t ask for support

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how is it retarded to use outdated client

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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It’s not retarded but it’s not recommended

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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yeah

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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A voice of reason

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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im cool with that.

velvet hound Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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finally

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:30 PM

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just dont say we’re retarded

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for using it

dusty topaz Apr 28, 2020, 6:31 PM

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maybe i am part of the snowflake generation

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:31 PM

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As a matter of fact 1.8 pvp is still not dead because of a reason obviously

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:31 PM

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ResidentSleeper

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:31 PM

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true

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conclure, i am a 1.8/1.7 pvper

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I was

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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many people here are so judging

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Mhm

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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well.

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I mean don’t we all?

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:32 PM

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but i dont call you dumb or retarded for using an older version

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no wonder we all use java 8

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outdated HA UR RETARD

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like cmon guys..

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Yeah it’s a difference between being factual and being a d*head

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:33 PM

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yeah

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recommended, yes.

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i agree, it is.

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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I'm just saying don't complain when you can't find a version that's almost 6 years old :/

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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i didnt firstly

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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No one said you did

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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and im talking about the client bro

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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^^

warped shuttle Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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BrO

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Who da hell put this chat cooldown :/

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM

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im focussing on the client so i didn’t ask for support about the client

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If you're willing to play an outdated and no longer heavily supported version, don't expect people to still help you out with it. Most of us haven't worked with 1.8 or below since 1.11+ lmao

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or who does

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i said client so i didn’t ask for support

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Chat auto goes on cooldown if there are 8+ messages in 10 seconds

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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i simply hint im using 1.8, and im insulted

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Well even if there is no official 1.8 support it’s still many people who can support a 1.8 developer unofficially due to the fact that it’s still commonly used.

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:35 PM

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some features like some event names stay the same from 1.8->1.15

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📎 unknown.png

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Commonly used is a loose term

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Come on now, get your story straight at least

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topics change bro

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you're in a help channel, asking for support with an outdated version

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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You’re not directly making it better Sable?

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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People are going to ridicule that, that's what people do, it's not great, but that's life unfortunately

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jist tryna say outdated != bad

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:36 PM

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wrong, sorry

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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many use java 8, lets be real

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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That’s different

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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i can also complain its outdated as there is a newer version out there

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so what?

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Right and many used java 7 for years, but that's only because server owners rarely update their java versions so it's easier to develop in the older versions

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Using an unsupported version is unsupported

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:37 PM

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same for plugin versions

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some don’t upgrude their versions including me :/

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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It’s not necessarily bad Martoph?

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Java 8 is supported in most cases

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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i like supporting outdated and newer clients

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all are welcome

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Outdated servers are bad

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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instead of forcing them to join on 1.15

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thats my opinion

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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I get adding support

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:38 PM

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saying its bad is incorrect

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I use to make plugins in Java 7 well into Java 8, because any plugins compiled to Java 8 had a lot of complaints because a lot of system admins wouldn't update java, it's not ideal, but it's something we have to live with, it's not the same when it's 6 years outdated lmao

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hypixel for example is bad?

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largest server i know?

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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But running a server on anything other than 1.15 and asking for support isnt welcome

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Difference between generalize server versions only comparing to compare outdated in general

vale slate Apr 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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java 7 should not be used anymore

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Hypixel can afford to pay devs an amount of money that makes it worth working with an API that's 5 years old.

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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let users use what they want mdm

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Hypixel is popular but they would benefit from updating in the long run

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:39 PM

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mfm

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nah

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like half of the community cut off

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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100s of features at the sake for legacy pvp

vale slate Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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java 7 has major security problems

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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ok

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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I bet most players connect with 1.15 protocol

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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i think half join with 1.8

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most either use 1.8 or 1.15

radiant pollen Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Hypixel's game doesn't use what people would consider 1.8 pvp

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Most end users will use 1.15, people keep their profile on "Latest version" more often than not lmao

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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It happened to be so that a lot changed from 1.8 to 1.9 etc

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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its split into 1.8pvpers and latest version people

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Big servers are a completely different ball game though, their devs have to put a lot of work in to make those servers what they are, and it costs a lot of money

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i have no problem with latest version, i even use it in some cases rarely though

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nice features

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just be a bit more open minded

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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I think hypixel could easily win back their players if they ipdated to latest version

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Lmao

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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What sre they players gonna do? Just not play their favorite server? Lol

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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yeah

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move to another server

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If you've spent upwards of 10k on development, you don't want to be updating to a newer version and having to pay out for those devs to update them lmao

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id move to minemenclub

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Even if they adopt legacy pvp?

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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you claim java 7 has security issues i can fight back with minecraft 1.15 has worse performance than 1.8

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convince you?

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its peoples opinion

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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that’s completely different?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Sable that’s true indeed but it’s proving that hypixel is working with 1.8 more than good or so

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:42 PM

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@frigid ember are you talking about java 7 or minecraft 1.7?

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Getting hacked.... vs performance?

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Think you're mixed up here bud

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java 7

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they're 2 different things

coral fractal Apr 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Hay, this has nothing to do with Spigot, but I saw that Spigot uses JLine2. Does anyone know how I use Jline3?

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Spigot uses Jline2

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I would know

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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oof

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Retrooper said outdated != bad which is true...

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:43 PM

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thats not a reason to tell me not to use it

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i didn’t ask for support

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Newer java versions are backwards compatible with anything made in older versions (at least a couple of versions back), so java 7 vs java 8 isn't a question hahahaha

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its literally not even allowed to have a conversation about 1.8

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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@coral fractal why do you ask?

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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or people will just attack you

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saying ew he uses 1.8

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retard

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youre dumb

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1.8 or 1.9

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Woah my guy

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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use 1.15.2

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no outdated software

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else u bad

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any version lower than 1.15 is apparently bad

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Yea

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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unless u have good reason

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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lol

vale slate Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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Guys this is #help-archived not #general

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:44 PM

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like 2b2t

coral fractal Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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@wanton delta I will create a cloud.

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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It's not bad, but the server software is not updated anymore

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Defining support for old versions may be tricky. It’s really the official support that older versions loses but there is many people who still knows and can help people that works with outdated versions unofficially.

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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CraftBukkit uses Jline2

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Which is what spigot uses

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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@vale slate is right though, this should be moved out of support now, it's just a debate at this point lmao

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So if there was an exploit to be found in the software, your server is screwed

wanton delta Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 PM

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If that helps

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Yeah

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I believe you can String.join

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With \n

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Or if you wanted the messages to be seperately sent

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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But there's no need to do that

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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You could also .stream().forEach()

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Try separating the - and the word

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:54 PM

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^

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 6:54 PM

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It should be taken as a StringList and read it

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But what @naive goblet is totally correct (but not a good practice having this #getStringList() function)

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:55 PM

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I can of misunderstood the issue here 😦

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Nope, u understood well I think, his #getStringList() isn't working well so he asked for a way to save all as a string and just parse it.

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@frigid ember try putting a space between the - and the word

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Pretty sure the space is required

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 6:57 PM

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np

heady shadow Apr 28, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Does the lightbans plugin have a license code, so that someone who comes to the plugin folder can just have the plugin without paying?

naive goblet Apr 28, 2020, 6:59 PM

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Hmm unsure

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Not that I'm aware of

heady shadow Apr 28, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Are there people who are sure?

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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@heady shadow I'm pretty sure that if the question is with piracy intentions it is not allowed here.

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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You'd have to ask the Dev, message them on spigot?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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or her, can't just assume one gender >>

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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True hold up

heady shadow Apr 28, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Where can I ask this question?

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You'd have to ask the Dev, message them on spigot?
@frigid ember no

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 7:03 PM

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His profile literally says to message any questions to him @heady shadow

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📎 unknown.png

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Also if you want to hack his plugin ^^

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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If you're not willing to ask the dev, chances are you have bad intentions and we're not going to support that I'm afraid

heady shadow Apr 28, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Maybe a stupid question, but maybe you can ask that. I don't know how to do that xd

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Also if you want to hack his plugin ^^
@leaden dawn Send me in PM

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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lol

final verge Apr 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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lmaooooooooooooooooo

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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I guess the answer is clear on the intentions part

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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@heady shadow you won't get that plugin without paying for it's license, so no. There's no way to install his plugin without a license.

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Pretty sure you're upto no good bud 😂

hallow urchin Apr 28, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Does anybody know how to get a players numbers of votes to show up in tab by each others names??

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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And no, I'm not gonna help you with that. You* can try to hack him for contributing, but not for using his plugin without paying xD

heady shadow Apr 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Yes, sorry I'm a Dutchman. My English is not good. Sorry for not understanding or misunderstanding sometimes.

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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modify the tab list packet unless spigot has an API of it

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I figured you were Dutch due to your name 😉

heady shadow Apr 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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😛

hallow urchin Apr 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Can you give me some first steps on how to do that?

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Please 🙂

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 7:06 PM

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https://wiki.vg for packet needs

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Protocollib is good for that

hallow urchin Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Ty

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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unless u want to get into reflection

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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protocollib or reflection either way reflection is done, just one takes care of that for you 😛

heady shadow Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Surely there are cracked plugins for that?

keen compass Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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surely we don't support piracy

hallow urchin Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Ok ill try and do it

frigid ember Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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@heady shadow not a topic for discussion here

leaden dawn Apr 28, 2020, 7:07 PM

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@heady shadow stop asking for piracy please.