#sop reqs

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hardy blade
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Two things if I may.
-The requirement for takeover and how bonuses apply is pretty straightforward. Adding complexity it as you indicate here will just open an can of worms for usability and headaches for WB around something that already works as is.
-Second and sorry to say but is delusional to think changing SOP requirements would help the littles to lock big seats. Big teams would find a way, worst case seats will just be sitting locked empty for weeks at a time. The SoP requirements won't help you if you and your team can't properly defend a seat.

Better to focus on how to grow your account, your team and improve your strategy.

grave cedar
# hardy blade Two things if I may. -The requirement for takeover and how bonuses apply is pre...

I love how you assume I'm a small player. How assumptive.

I'm not. By the way.

This isn't about giving "littles" a chance to take lockable seats. Where did I say that ?

Maybe I wasn't clear.

A dominant team can and will bury every lockable seat on a map to ensure other teams can't access them. Right ? But they can only do that because of the loophole of allowing alts and lower level players to circumvent the banner rule for takeover.

I was being generous with my compromise.

Maybe I will put it more bluntly .

Seats should be held by players with the required number of banners at all times to ensure a kingdom remains competitive.

It has zero to do with "littles" taking lockable big seats. It's to do with a server remaining competitive and playing as the game is designed.

Why have a banner requirement on lockables if they can easily be circumvented and any regional boosts lost?

Make it make sense to play the game that way rather than have to be strategic with what and how you hold lockable seats, as a team?

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I quote "this would ensure fair gameplay for smaller players fighting for the SMALLER SEATS THAT NEVER LOCK and ensure all team members are benefitting from the regional boosts holding a LOCKABLE seat gives.

No way would "littles" take lockables, I wasn't saying that 🤣

hardy blade
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Didn't allude to your size but you pointed out smaller players. In any case is all relative and unless you are Dark we are all "little".
The banner requirement is not being circumvented. Is designed and applies to the SoP takeover March. Which is what it does. And the point stands. Regardless of your size If you want to compete and hold a seat then win it or take it from others and defend it through lock. Seat management is a critical part of the strategy in this game. Why wouldn't you want to care about the strategy?

grave cedar
# hardy blade Didn't allude to your size but you pointed out smaller players. In any case is a...

I think you are either entirely missing the point or being purposefully obtuse. Unsure of which.

So, you think it's being more strategic to dump lockables with alts or lower level tier team members than it is to consider what lockable seats are most beneficial for team growth and the next lockable opening on the map? Is that what you're saying ?

Cos it's very easy to dump a lockable into someone else or an alt farm.

It's way more strategic to play whilst holding seats.

Why wouldn't you want to care about the strategy?

hardy blade
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Big teams have dedicated logistics councils to plan, coordinate and execute all the roster and seat swaps during the week. So yes I consider that a big part of the pre lock strategy.

grave cedar
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But offloading seats so that during the week they are sitting with zero benefit to the team as a whole and just collecting lockables - isn't strategy.

Sorry but it ain't.

Planning and coordinating who holds the seats during weekends and weekdays is a key part of the game. Offloading anything won at lock to an alt, is not strategy 🤣

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Anyway,I got my answer through what has and hasn't been said.

timid whale
grave cedar
# timid whale Of course it is? You assure you have titles for the weekend. If you want people ...

Yes, theoretically - wouldn't that be good .

I'm not talking about a team I manage. I'm talking about how the dominant team manages the Paramounts they hold and they (aside from KL and any they want to utilise boosts for themselves such as training speed) are all held by alts - every single lockable.

How does that make sense?

Not saying every team, or even every server. But a lot of servers operate that way.

And it kills competition,it kills kingdoms.

remote rapids
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Just because you don’t understand or agree with the strategy doesn’t mean that it isn’t a strategy. Strategy around how seats are allocated across the allegiance has to do with a variety of factors, like which players need to be free to title for multiple seats or to take strategic troop specific titles, availability to pass titles and defend seats, reliability to not mistakenly drop a locked seat, and many other factors.

And when teams are big enough, they don’t use alts, they bury seats on players. Those players give up the ability to take titles that help them grow when they aren’t in the right tier position too.

You may be annoyed at how your opponents manage seats, but in their position, you would likely manage them the same way because it’s strategically advantageous to do so.

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If you want to manage the seats differently, take them from your opponents when they are open, and then manage them differently when they are locked.

grave cedar
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I've been T1 in the dominant team on a server where we didn't bury seats and it worked well.

Other kingdoms where it has been used - no competition. A dead kingdom because the motivation is gone when one team bury every lockable like a rampant hamster.

hardy blade
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And to your point yes the team is missing on regional boosts when seats are under bannered. But that is a very reasonable compromise mature teams have acknowledged a while back. Because the tactical advantages are greater.

remote rapids
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You also claim that seat burying is what kills competition, when it seems like it’s the inability of teams outside the dominant team to take seats that kills competition.

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The game is designed so that in order to dominate, you need to take as much of the ladder as possible for yourself and keep the ladder away from your competitor. It’s not greedy it’s strategy.

grave cedar
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So you agree that in new kingdoms where most of the regions remain locked - the teams start burying Paramounts ?

I'm not talking about months in, pre or post merge. I understand the gameplay at that stage and the juggle is real.

However this is happening in new KDs where there's 2-3 paras and they are burying them.

There is no strategy at that stage, just laziness.

Maybe I wasn't crystal clear and maybe this poses a problem down the line for older kingdoms so used to offloading lockable seats they hold, cos heaven forbid they only hold what they can practically hold within the constraints of the game 🙂

timid whale
timid whale
hardy blade
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Never too early to start developing good logistical practices. If anything those teams are ahead of the curve on their understanding of the game.

topaz sequoia
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I'm not against the idea of losing the region buff when a seat holder doesn't have the banners. It's not like House09234728 should command that kind of power 🤣 Just be happy Region Control hasn't been implemented yet or you're gonna need a whole lot more alts 🤣

hardy blade
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Holding a seat is annoying and so constricting during game play. As you advance, most players would rather be SoP free and just take on titles if/when needed.

grave cedar
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Ok I'm done. I see you are missing the points I made and maybe I've not been clear or maybe it's that this game and its players is so entrenched in this mindset it appears alien to suggest an alternative.

grave cedar
remote rapids
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After looking at the back-and-forth dialogue following your suggestion, my conclusion is that you believe that if teams were limited in how many T2 seats they could take, it would help smaller teams be more competitive. That’s not at all been my experience.

It also sounds like you are in a new kingdom and lost the first few races and are frustrated that your opponents can still have all of their strongest keeps race for the new ones that are opening.

Again, if you want to boost competition in your kingdom, then take a seat from the dominant team. If you don’t want them to hold all of the seats, take one from them or win the next few races.

hardy blade
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Alternatives are great. But they need to have a sound logic to stand tall. For instance the Regional Boosts not applying when not enough banners was implemented in recent years to incentivize people holding seats instead of burying. It had some limited success but the tradeoff and logic was clear. Unlike this post.

topaz sequoia
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I think the regional boosts are still applicable aren't they? it's just the seat holder boosts that are forfeited when they drop below the minimum.

hardy blade
topaz sequoia
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Oh wow that's the first time I'm seeing that thanks

timid whale
grave cedar
# remote rapids After looking at the back-and-forth dialogue following your suggestion, my concl...

This is a new kd - but it's not my first.

I'm seeing a trend that would historically be used when further along in the game and strategy would dictate that certain lockables be handed off for weekend gameplay. Its now being used from the get go in new kingdoms, where new players are cutting their teeth and getting to know the game.

That was my concern. It wasn't about me being butthurt over not winning a para as a team 🤣. Like I stated, I was T1 of the dominant team in a prior KD. I get that. I held paras and I get how that can be a drag. We strategised and never buried lockables - only handing off at weekends temporarily if the need absolutely arise.

My concern was as a trend this is seeping into new kds as the thing to do from the get go. But I see that I'm very much in the minority here in wanting the gameplay to be at least fair to start and give other teams the motivation to fight.

Anyway, good luck in your respective kingdoms and happy new year.

remote rapids
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This strategy was used in all the kingdoms I started in, back in 2019 and 2020. It’s not new. It frees up the top accounts early in a kingdom for racing, as noted above.

Happy new year to you as well.

hardy blade
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Agreed. Nothing new with this strategy. Been happening since the very first kingdom I was in. If anything doing a disservice to your team not preparing them to the realities of the game instead holding them to an arbitrary ground of not moving seats around because you can afford it on a baby Kingdom.