#atf lore

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celest coral
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ill talk with lead, but when he examined them, all three were cut like a syringe, you know, pointy,flat on one side

celest coral
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this shows those particles of fire and soot

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here is an amazing pic of the thing i call mama in sowntown

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pic of the gunner

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pic of sprawl in hospital

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north orchid
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Are these PC pics?

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Look very different from what I see through my headset

celest coral
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Yes all that is pc

north orchid
celest coral
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watch this, the sprawl breathes, as well as the pods

north orchid
quaint atlas
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Breathes or pumps fluid?

celest coral
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The sprawl pods do the same thing

north orchid
north orchid
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And we don’t see any movement inside the sprawl

quaint atlas
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Could be breathing .. just considering all the alternatives.

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Either way it's likely some form of pumping.

Breathing is pumping air.

north orchid
north orchid
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Anyone around to do a lore-hunting run?

celest coral
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I am.

north orchid
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Then went to sleep 😴

celest coral
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All good

celest coral
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What y'all Wana talk about? Anything on your mind

north orchid
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Chinese takeaway 😂

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Food 🙄😊

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(Sorry, bit flippant)

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On a more relevant note - could talk about our overall vision with hunting for the lore. Is the aim to build one unifying lore, or develop separate bit equally valid stories?

quaint atlas
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Really good question .. we are, as it were, ready talking about alternate realities.

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Personally, I always feel like the first step in these endeavors is to gather all the 'facts' .. in this case, those immutable material as presented right in the game itself. Then .. the next body of evidence is the written intentions of the developer.

Finally, without contradicting the first two, develop a lore that has literary interest and value.

celest coral
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That is up to the group. I'd say as long as we have proof for what we think is going on, or logic tells us something happened, anything can happen

north orchid
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Wow! Two, somewhat different approaches. @quaint atlas your approach is evidence-based, rational. @celest coral yours is more fluid, still evidence-based. Maybe not that different after all 🤔

celest coral
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I'm still reluctant to abandon my fungus theory, should we drop it? Or is it still viable

quaint atlas
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They are similar approaches. Both want to be consistent and loyal to the source material.

I just like to have evidence first because there is always the temptation for creators to have a good idea .. and then look for the evidence to support it.

That approach can be used to great effect. But it tends to allow more subjective elements creep in. For instance, this happens to Tolkien a lot. Done correctly, it can however create some wonderful fan-fiction because it allows the world to be expansive.

Done incorrectly however, and you end up with M. Night Shyamalan 'Avatar the Last Airbender' 🤮

quaint atlas
celest coral
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And that's why I wanted a lore team. Differant viewpoints and perspectives

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There is real life fungal behavior that we see in game, and we can have fungal infection that would cause a lock down of personal quarters like we sometimes hear about coming into the line

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But yes, @quaint atlas I am very biased on the fungal idea

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It just solved so much at the time

north orchid
quaint atlas
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I guess you'd have to explain the lack of spores and other fungal traits (such as aversion to sunlight).

quaint atlas
north orchid
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Ok how about we take the fungal theory first, and look at the evidence for it? @celest coral ?

celest coral
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You are actually a great asset with that type of point of view. We can ask you if something makes sence

quaint atlas
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Then you owe it to yourself to watch it .. one of the best anime series of all time!!

celest coral
north orchid
celest coral
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And spores could exist, that's what the pods are that we shoot to kill snows

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One theory that was proposed was that eaters spread spores. Hence why they blind you

quaint atlas
north orchid
quaint atlas
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Ok .. I can get on board with eaters spreading spores ..

celest coral
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The problem there is how they are formed. We know eaters are common snows that are too many other snows. Doesn't mean they CANT spread spores, but it not evidence that they DO

quaint atlas
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quaint atlas
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Well the reason why the smasher regenerates is because it's drawing something from the sprawl.

celest coral
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The smasher eats, at least we think, the sprawl to regenerate. Also, don't forget about the sprawl/smasher we see dead in skid row

quaint atlas
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They say ot several times that there is a symbiotic relationship .. relay and Chinatown I believe.

celest coral
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And skid, if you look in the put

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Pit

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Let's look at it this way. How did we find juice/harvest to begin with, before the pollution and nuclear war. Where did it come from to start

quaint atlas
celest coral
quaint atlas
celest coral
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What makes you say it was manufactured over being natural

quaint atlas
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Because it's referred to as innovation .. not discovery. .. and boosters were 'developed '.

celest coral
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But we could still find a natural source or material, and refine it. That's still an innovation, like what happened in my story

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But to be clear, I wanted a team to this exact reason, poke holes and make things the best we can

quaint atlas
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Well everything starts with some natural resource .. I think that's pretty much a fact .

But you're saying it's a fungus.

It's not for us to prove why it's manufactured .. it's for us to prove it's a fungus.

celest coral
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I'm not mad that we are disagreeing, I'm enjoying it

quaint atlas
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I'm not sure I'm even disagreeing .. I just want to know what evidence we can drum up to support it ..

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Spores from eaters is an interesting start.

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Those could be spores ..

celest coral
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I'd recommend reading this thread from the begining. You can watch things change and evolve and see how we drew our conclusion

quaint atlas
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Um .. can you just give a synopsis?

celest coral
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We know infection is a thing, so it's a matter of what kind of infection, fungal? Bacteria? Parasite?

On that thought, tardigrades, water bears, what are they considered?

quaint atlas
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They are not an infection per se .. they are just organisms.

celest coral
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Also, there is a question of when the infecting thing came around. Cause it is possible we made an organism or virus, and things ran out of control as it evolved

celest coral
quaint atlas
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Right .. ok so here's a thought

celest coral
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Then being so indestructible would be a great start for juice

quaint atlas
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It really depends how much we want to draw from science

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We see that the evolution is surprising Frank and Luna .. so the speed is quickly happening

Virus evolve the fastest
Then bacteria
Then fungus

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Fungus evolve rather slow in comparison. On several orders of magnitude.

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Question .. do we have any evidence from real life where infections greatly distort the physiology of the host?

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Kinda like elephant man or ..

celest coral
quaint atlas
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Any fungal infections do that?

quaint atlas
celest coral
celest coral
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These teams fun for their lives a lot, so they are active. So strength just comes with repitition

quaint atlas
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The zombie fungus.

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This was done rather nicely in LoU and GwAtG ..

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And they explained the spores perfectly.

celest coral
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There's one for cats too. It causes mice to act weird to get eaten by a cat, even makes the mouse attracted to cats. The same affect can be seen in some infected humans

quaint atlas
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Ok .. for now let's assume it's a fungus.

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See where it takes us.

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No better theory really.

celest coral
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Manufactured still could be possible. Like gene therapy. We use viruses for that, that explains infection. It evolved in a way we didn't want, so it's not a negative infection.

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Vertigo is a little all over the place with the story, like how the ice age is caused by both pollution AND.l a nuclear war

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AND we have to figure out what's just a game mechanic, like why we can't hurt our own team or our selves

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Another good question. What happens to the dead snows. Yes, in game they just disappear, but in real life they'd stick around

north orchid
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celest coral
quaint atlas
celest coral
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But it's what vertigo has said is going on

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quaint atlas
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quaint atlas
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Do you have an idea?

quaint atlas
north orchid
# quaint atlas Do you have an idea?

Well I thought we’d gather all the points for and against the fungal theory - in one post maybe? Bullet points? @celest coral ? Then start to look at other theories.

quaint atlas
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I generally like to just get most the info first .. then see what we have to work with.

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celest coral
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I can comb though the thread and redo my notes. I know I took some off as I wrote my story

north orchid
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Would be good to group the evidence under headings or something. Just so it’s not just a lot of narrative.

quaint atlas
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Def .. organizing info!!! is k'bam!!

celest coral
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Just had a thought. If it's fungal based, snows would stay away from light. And we see them do that. Their spawn points are in walls and buried in snow

celest coral
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Here's a line from the game

The LA sewers are off limits. Unusual snowbreed activity has lead to...no known survivors.

Is that confirmation that mama and/or the nest are moving/growing in the sewer?

celest coral
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whats on everyones mind

quaint atlas
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I rain QC recently .. so the time frame of ATF is prob 2012-ish.

Jimmy says .. I used to get stuck in traffic here. 20 years later, I'm stuck in snowbreed.

Since the re-election was 1992 .. this means the game events is about 2012-ish ??

celest coral
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it wasnt quite 20, i think it was 16 or 17, the tv in the tutorial room gives more details on when things when bad

quaint atlas
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I really need to reset my game and get that on video ..

Or does anyone else have that?

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Maybe even the PC versions?

celest coral
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You can just use the tutorial floppy in the armory

celest coral
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Yes, guys, please watch the tape in the tutorial room. Please. Also note, its got the Malconn logo on the tape

celest coral
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Anyone notice anything lately?

quaint atlas
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I redod the intro and filmed the VCR part .. will post it shortly.

celest coral
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thank you my friend

north orchid
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I just haven’t had the time or thinking space to notice much. Will be following what’s chatted about here.

celest coral
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has anyone found anything interesting lately?

digital vigil
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Here is the full script of the presidential speech on the radio. I've transcribed it from the game audio files.

_"My fellow Americans. It's been four years since I spoke to you from my home town here in L.A. Together, we faced many difficult problems, and I've come to feel a special bond of kinship with each one of you.

When I first addressed you from here, our national defence was weak, we had suffered humiliations abroad, but most importantly, our economy was on the total brink of collapse.

Today, I see a different America. Thanks to market innovation, our soldiers are the strongest the world has ever seen. And due to the unrelenting drive of this proud republic, the whole world can enjoy our newly developed Boosters. America is back and standing tall.

But make no mistake; tough challenges litter our path. Our climate is degrading rapidly and now, many people are cold, hungry, and sick. There is no question about it: only Boosters will brace our bodies to survive the coming winter.

We must act NOW and we must act FAST! Los Angeles has been the test case, but the results speak for themselves. Our companies are ready, but Washington is holding back.

Only though deregulation can we spread innovation. Just like we did with defence. Just like we did with our economy. A vote for my re-election is a vote to safeguard our future.

Thank you, and God Bless America!"_

celest coral
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Thanks, someone was just asking about it in the welcome to the line chat

digital vigil
celest coral
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Has anyone found anything interesting? I haven't been able to play, I have severe stick drift that forces me t forever turn left

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Or right, don't remember

north orchid
cunning goblet
celest coral
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Where did you find that

cunning goblet
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I extracted the games audio files

quaint atlas
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And that's just weird .. why would climate change affect the pattern of earthquakes? Ugh .. pseudo-science. 🙄

cunning goblet
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By this sense there shouldn't be any earthquakes in snowy countries lol

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What does the "fall" refer to anyway?

celest coral
cunning goblet
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Why were there nukes?

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Just ww3?

celest coral
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After the fall takes place in an alternate timeline where in the cold war, nukes were used, also info from the developers

celest coral
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Did some quick googling, couldn't find a link between cooling and quakes, but humans tend to connect things that aren't connected. Perhaps there are still quakes, as seen in how torn up the ground is in things like skid row, but it's being blamed on mama, the giant worm you see in downtown

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98% of the time, they are very careful with word choice. The ONLY exception I've seen of this is the bigger grenade. It's description in older versions said that it worked as an emp, but when we presented the question of how it worked to the devs, they said it was a mistake, and actually changed it

cunning goblet
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Can you say more about emp? What's that?

celest coral
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An emp, or electromagnetic pulse, is a burst of energy that if strong enough, can damage or destroy electronics that aren't protected enough. Nukes, solar flares, and specifically designed devices all do this

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I have a dischord dedicated specifically to atf lore if you are interested

north orchid
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Interested, I mean.

celest coral
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I'll pm it to you

quaint atlas
celest coral
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I've quakes are a thing though, not true earthquakes, but basicly the same affect from the ground freezing

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So yeah .. cooling can't cause or stop quakes. But I admit that all of it is a fantasy scenario. So bending science is a given.

celest coral
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But with that, cold would cause more "quakes" not less

quaint atlas
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Right.

celest coral
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My knee jerk reaction was that mama, from downtown, has something to do with it

quaint atlas
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Yeah .. I like that approach better.

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One thing that dawned on me listening to the recording is that politicians often spread misinformation (fake facts).

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And that does fit with the theme .. so it might be an accurate representation of how the political machine is being used in that alternative reality.

celest coral
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It's the literal end of the world, panic, if not managed correctly, could cause more harm then the ice itself

quaint atlas
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(Making it seem that the cold had some benefit).

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celest coral
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In the begining it did, drive people to use harvest to help survive the cold, back when it was a medicine and not what it is now. Skid row has an example of this, back wall of the arcade, on the first floor has a display shelf of stuff

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But that recording said there was LESS quakes after the fall, not more

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But that recording said there was LESS quakes after the fall, not more

quaint atlas
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Yeah .. what caused the cold is not 100% clear .. I'm inclined to agree with you that it's nuclear war. And the downstream effects are a series of carefully spun stories to control the population.

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That poster of a nuke going off with the word OPPORTUNITY in the Line supports that.

quaint atlas
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But not true causality. Just misinformation and pseudoscience.

celest coral
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So I just noticed this. I'm playing boulevard, I went down the Zipline, to the section where you enter the pipe. There's some sprawl on the left, and I happened to hear what sounds to me like a low roar or moan of some massive beast (probably mama, from downtown) and moving water and muck indicating the sewers

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Could support the fact that mama moving around is causing the ground to break up. I'm standing in that spot as I type this, every now and then a different noise will play. Really sounds like something mama would make

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If you go into the pipe, you hear RUNNING water, dripping and flowing. RUNNING WATER. In a winter scape like atf, water shouldn't be running

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There have also been voice lines I've never heard before, just can't remember what they said

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I've been away from the game for a while due to stick drift, but there have been new things I've been noticing.

What's everyone's thoughts

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celest coral
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Remember, we find Mama in the sewers

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celest coral
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Those could still be liquid

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celest coral
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I've heard two or three new ones since I started playing again

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Also, if you can afford it, get an oculus 3, runs better, it's lighter and more comfterble

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celest coral
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We also see bone shards in the sprawl in oculus, so that is very likely to be an important detail

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And we know sprawl and Mama are somehow conected

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But did Mama make sprawl or did sprawl become mama

We can't go by order of release in the game as that does not indicate time passing in universe, usually in most games

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celest coral
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That is valid

cunning goblet
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What the fffffuuuuckk? Is the Skid Row arcade called Vertex Arcade?

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This is artwork from the After the Fall vinyl!

quaint atlas
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ivory finch
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i have a theory that the player is traumatized / has ptsd from juggernauts, they're the only mini-boss that has their own theme, and due to the fact that you quite literally get your head punched off by one at the start it makes sense to me. anyone feel the same?

celest coral
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And that brings up a great question. What state are we in when we are frozen? And why is being frozen sometimes permanent?

velvet hollow
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that's an amazing question ngl, might have to think of that in my next horde run

velvet hollow
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but it may also be a sense of plot armor because if we js got infected then the game couldnt continue but still yk?

digital vigil
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Can someone DM me an invite for the ATF Lore Discord? Please and thanks 🙂

celest coral
timid thorn
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I love the simulation theory, kinda like the plot in "The Labyrinth" it would explain the futuristic tech while we're supposedly in the 80s, the ranking, why all the environment looks so artificial, the game mechanics. Doesn't explain the reason behind the experiment but I see that as a plus 🙂

celest coral
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So why do we freeze. Well, lets play with an idea. I theorize that juice works by stimulating stem cell growth. When we freeze and font take too much damage, juice is actually healing us by repairing the damage. A permanent freeze is because the damage was too severe. And unfortunitely, vertigo already confirmed that it is not a simulation

timid thorn
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The things is that if you don't start by stating its a simulation you're going to have to explain a lot of things that are onlythere because it's a game, dare I say, a simulation. Literally. Like the juice, why do we fight by group of 4 and not like by 12, 27, 50, like we would actually do, what's up with the harvest, all these pretty gamy things. How about we're trapped in an interplanetary spaceship. We're heading toward a new earth, very far away, cuze we messed up this one badly. The new one is however located further from its sun than earth and probably in some sort of ice age. Before we left we've detected evidence of life in the atmosphere but the ice storm are so dense we cannot see the surface. Its going to be a very long journey and before we get there Vertigo had everyone on board put in some cryostatis state, hooked up to the main computer. The computer was responsible for the navigation Life support, everything. At first people were using the virtual reality to just entertained themselves, film, sex, video game, but after a while we ran out of content, depression among the cargo(us) spread like wildfire and ppl started to die. The main computer had no idea why and had to evolve its protocols. It pulled all the log of these pat 100, 200, whatever years and realised that people experiencing a moderate level of stress, ppl gambling, and ppl working together toward a common goal were less susceptible to develop deadly symptoms. It cooked up "after the fall" in such a way that we would not question "the nature of our reality", stay engaged with eachother, the right amount of stress, just the right amount of reward. [There's plenty of room as to why it came up with a game set in the 80s, why the snow, are some of us starting to break free of the illusion, why vertigo insist "its not a simulation "whatever you want, is AS also part of the simulation like an A-B test to figureout what works better]

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If you say its actually really happening then saying things like the juices are part of the diegese but not the score board or the ammo boxes feel wrong, like too arbitrary. Too much suspension of disbelief needed for that. Am I the only one ?

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Oh well ... I tried 😅

celest coral
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I get what you are saying

timid thorn
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Oooo I get it now you guys are trying to guess what was the INTENDED story

celest coral
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The trick to lore hunting, besides asking why for everything, is figuring out what is there for lore, what is there because of limitations in the game. For example, dead snows disappearing is obviously a game thing, due to limitations.

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And i like that you put a lot of thought into your argument. I really do

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Im not trying to bad mouth you at all

timid thorn
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You're basically hunting for clue left by the devs to figure out what is the official story

celest coral
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Please, please dont let this discourage you.youre creative. We need that

celest coral
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celest coral
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Here is a bit of advice. Ohr best tool is to ask, why.

Let me walk you through something. Take this one step at a time. Dont read ahead until you have thought about the question and came up with your own answer (and i would love to hear those answers) i walk all new lore hunters through this. So try this

Why are eaters called eaters?

So lets look at the game. Where do we see eating in the game, names have meaning in after the fall. Well, we see snows eating dead snows in what i call feasts.

Ok. Why do the feasts happen?

Well, we know snows live off of harvest. So they are desperate for any source they can get

Ok. So what makes eaters special, why are they not everywhere?

Well, what if eaters are rare because they were not just living off of harvest, but addicted to it?

Ok. So where do we see evidence of harvest addiction?

Boosters are made from harvest. And if you listen to jimmy when he uses one, he has very odd voice lines

So, because of one question, why are eaters called eaters, we tied so many things together.

timid thorn
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Okay so I obviously had to read the whole thing to understand the thought process behind it. I already have a couple of questions, mostly about methodology. I'm gonna take some time to think about it tho. Ty

celest coral
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Feel free to ask, and i look forward to it

timid thorn
# celest coral Feel free to ask, and i look forward to it

I do have a couple. First and foremost: do you guys have a document to present the current state of the investigation. List of clues, their possible explanation, questions that still remains.
So we can avoid this kind of thing and make it easier for ppl to join in

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Also, let say we reach a consensus on something, what then ... ? At which point do we ask vertigo to weight in ? When do we know we've solved the puzzle?

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Cuze you guys have been going back and forth on wether or not it's a fungal or viral infection...could go on for ever

celest coral
timid thorn
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A synthetic view of all we know is a must have moving forward. Tell us how we can help

celest coral
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Ok. I cant get my old lore thread to come up, but i do have a notepad file on my computer at home with a majority of not all the points we agreed on in that thread. I can post it here once i get home

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What platform does everyone play on

timid thorn
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Platform?

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As in pico or quest ?

celest coral
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Like i play pcvr and oculus stand alone

timid thorn
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Pico standalone, but there's everything here, quest, psvr

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Does it matter?

celest coral
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Just asking cause i know quest doesnt show everything like pc does, and quest does change things

digital vigil
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Filling out the Fandom Wiki for ATF may be a good idea to keep things organized. It's fairly thin at the moment with lots of details still needing to be added.

https://afterthefall-vr.fandom.com/wiki/After_the_Fall

Anything that goes there though should be as close to 'canon' as possible though

After The Fall VR Wiki
After the Fall

After the Fall is an action shooter game developed and published by Vertigo Games, and the game for which this wiki community revolves around. The game was released for early access on Steam...

celest coral
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A good idea, im just not sure because most of what we came and come up with is theory, would that still work

digital vigil
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No, I don't think theory crafting should go on there. But if we can nail down the proper game lore based on the game developer's ideas and intentions that would be the goal

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Or, maybe there could be a separate section for theory crafting? I'm honestly not too familiar with other Fandoms to know if that's a thing on other ones

celest coral
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My lord crafting group has a section dedicated to crafting

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But the thread here was meant to do the same

timid thorn
celest coral
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Whats the sorce

digital vigil
celest coral
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Depends on source. If its from vertigo, yes, wikipedia, it could be considered but would need investigation

digital vigil
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It may very well originate from this server from when the devs are more active. Hard to say

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There is a ton of history on this server that the devs participated in earlier discussions that could be searched for, I would assume that's where the info came from. I think it was added in early 2022 after the game's release

timid thorn
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@vague radish ?

vague radish
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Hi hello yes

timid thorn
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Hi, thanks for joining in. We're just trying to figure out a way to give some sort of structure/methodology to our lore hunting thing. Any insights you wanna share ?

vague radish
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The plot synopsis on the wiki was my own writing based entirely on my observations of things happening in game. I tried to keep speculation to a minimum and just retell facts as I understood them

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All of the backstory comes from the VHS tape you can put into the TV in the intro mission

celest coral
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Have you looked into the runs themselves to help supplement that vhs

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Example, we know sprawl pods are a new development while we do runs, could we say that those lead to the creature we see in downtown

vague radish
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Not sure. To be honest, I haven't played AtF in a good long while, last time I was able to play was around the Boulevard update, so that's about where my offhand knowledge of the game ends

celest coral
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I ask because the vhs is quite old and new things have been added

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Ok. No worries

vague radish
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I played briefly recently with a friend and saw the new maps added, haven't seen the content yet

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I would suggest if you have something that seems like a logical conclusion like this creature maybe being an evolution of sprawl tentacles, I would probably put that into like a "trivia" or "speculation" section of the relevant article until word of god confirms it, or there's exposition found somewhere in the game that does it and can be screenshotted/recorded

celest coral
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So i have notes from a previous thread, and i note what points came from vertigo themselves. What would i do with points from and not from vertigo, ive never messed with Wikipedia before

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I cant pull up the old thread, might not exist any more

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Least i hope o have those notes, ive changed computers since, but i still have the hard drive

vague radish
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Absolutely use the wiki. I am but one person and my hyperfixated interest in the game that fueled its creation and initial maintenance has tapered off. I might have created it and be an admin of it, but I'm not out to yell at anyone that doesn't read my mind on how I set out to do things. With a wiki about something like this, I would say that getting information up and established with citations is more important than the presentation. Someone can always pretty things up later

celest coral
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So conclusion, we work on the wiki together, jotting down our points and in game things to suport said points? Again, ive never written a wiki, have no idea how

vague radish
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Just like, make sure not to confidently present unconfirmed things as facts.

celest coral
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Or like how to make differant sections or anything

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I do plan on doing youtube after the new year once my husband gets set up

vague radish
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Geez, I dunno how to start with advising how to "properly" use a wiki. Also, I did pretty much just wake up

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It's probably vague, but first take a look around and see how things currently are organized on a high level. In terms of how content is stored, a wiki is a mostly unsorted collection of articles but you can add categories to them so people can pull up category pages

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If you have facts to add, think about if those facts are best suited to their own, new articles or if they would go better under an existing article

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I think you guys could probably also add some sort of speculation article as a bit of a scratch pad of unconfirmed ideas, as long as it's clear that the contents of that article are not to be taken as fact

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On Wikipedia, all pages have a "talk" version of the page for people to discuss the content of a page, I forget if fandom does the same thing or if they turned it into a comment feature

digital vigil
digital vigil
vague radish
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Just keep in mind that the ultimate goal of the wiki is for a new player to be able to click around and get important, true information with as little ambiguity as possible.

vague radish
digital vigil