Charr shield

[cunning estuary]

Any thoughts on what this low req charr shield might go for

[worthy elbow]

30 gold.
quest tall shield is better
+9 is max armor vs charr
-2 physical while in a stance is horrible in pre
undesirable skin

[unkempt gorge]

Is it really that bad tho? If you spam frenzy to mitigate the wild blows, it can easily go full duration. Or is the issue more that physicals are not really a threat and hp = more survivability vs casters

[velvet saddle]

You're taking double damage from all sources to take 2 less damage from physicals.

[unkempt gorge]

I am using frenzy with or without that - that was my point. So might aswell have some extra def when I am using it?

I am basically comparing it to blue quest shield

[velvet saddle]

I'm sorry to hear that

[unkempt gorge]

Hear what?

[worthy elbow]

the extra 2 armor alone from the quest shield is better than these 2 mods combined on the shield posted

[arctic sluice]

i'd say 1-5 3BD, cause quest shield being better doesn't mean people won't buy it. might be a tough sell for named reasons tho

[unkempt gorge]

But core armor is higher here no? 9 + 8 vs 4+ 10? Or am I missing something

[arctic sluice]

might be wrong, but i personally wouldnt merch. but then again i have the storage space to sit on it if it until someone wants it

[arctic sluice]

the base armor doesnt stack with vanguard buff. so its +8 vs +10

[unkempt gorge]

Ohh no way. Well that makes sense then

I guess the real question is , is there even a better shield for charr out there

[gleaming birch]

People still use it, you can easily get 1-10BD for it

Sometimes people forget you can swap weaponsets and a conditional -2 is good, alongside a +15hp shield

[velvet saddle]

+9 with -3 or -2 while hexed

[gleaming birch]

Note that the -2 applies before frenzy doubles the damage, so no, it's definitely not merch.

[velvet saddle]

The concern isn't for the physical damage being doubled, it's for everything else

[gleaming birch]

True, you still shouldn't frenzy before banish, bane and eburn comes in

[arctic sluice]

i mean, i sold a 9ar -2wiS for 20 around new years, same skin. there have been better skins 8ar -2wiS selling for 10+ since. but i think the combination of skin and mods makes this more like 1-5 imo, adjusted upwards from 1-3.

the weapon swap argument i dont get as much, cause i feel like its a lot of extra hassle for very little upide

[gleaming birch]

True, but if you want to go full optimization, you have to q-step swap, you don't lose any auto-attacks, people do it in PvP all the time

People are told to swap ebon/furious for warriors

[arctic sluice]

yeah but we are in pre, cause we bad 😂

[gleaming birch]

So why not shields too

[unkempt gorge]

I basically had no idea about the core armor replacement, I see it now.
Makes me why people buy prodigy insignias, if the armor boosting is also not working with vanguard?

[arctic sluice]

they transfer it to post and use it for heros. only options in pre are survivor, radient, knights

[velvet saddle]

Wish you were there for the "yes these mods suck on this caster item and it makes sense for a person who doesn't like to weapon swap most of the time"

[arctic sluice]

what were the mods

cause i kinda understand the approach of having a one in all solution, which the quest shield is in this case.

[gleaming birch]

Maybe some 15/8/9 staff, I really don't get the hct all spells, feels like running in slippers

[velvet saddle]

It was a mismatched necro item iirc. The discussion involved the german guy with the mask pfp

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