2nd sadistic challenge run bugged somehow?

[small vapor]

I'm not sure what causes this or how to replicate it, it seems like time in challenge isn't advancing properly (see top right);
The first run gets me into quintillions of coins, but the 2nd only goes into the millions
Can provide savefile if needed, just let me know if by DM or posting in this thread

[hollow lion]

seems to be a severe lack of diamonds in the second screenshot (reaching e12 diamonds for the first generator upgrade is extremely important). i genuinely have no idea if its a bug or not, just that it started happening semi-recently

[small vapor]

yeah that checks out, reloading an older save seems to have fixed it but I'll test some more

1st save is an older one that seems to work, but something broke between then and now, also leaving that one for comparison

atm I don't really have the braincells to figure out what could've happened, I think I only did some p2x2 and p1x4 upgrades

[west jolt]

Be sure to exit the previous R challenge before starting C10. That way you get diamonds through the particles->diamonds platonic upgrade

[small vapor]

don't think that's it, but just like 6030 said it did only start happening recently, maybe they broke something by accident on 4.1.5

it's just that now i've to take care and get as many challenges+fragments from anthill as possible before trying to do as much c10 as I can
edit: answer below

[small vapor]

turns out it really is the diamonds, I'm just not sure why that varies so much
this save should demonstrate the issue easily, the first c10 attempt should bring you to at least ~1.67sx coins or more if you give it time, but repeat attempts take varying amounts of time to reach 1e12 diamonds to set the scaling in motion and I'm not sure why that happens

[vale galleon]

@vague arch

[civic carbon]

i'm having the same issue only the first time i run C10 it works fine

[civic carbon]

okay this issue makes it kinda unplayable i can't complete a single c13 cause of this

@vale galleon is there any solution to this ?

[vague arch]

I don't believe any gameplay-altering patch was released on March 3-4, so we can eliminate that possibility

Unless you updated your version then?

I can kinda guess (right now) that it enters c10, and platonic upgrade triggers. If you need to run it again, you should be able to leave c10, and come back and have it trigger again. But it’s not?

I’m assuming this is what you’re doing

[civic carbon]

which platonic upgrade are we talking about here

i'm not sure what happened but it started happening after i got alpha yesterday i think idk why

[vague arch]

Ah, it’s a row 3 upgrade

This does significantly reduce the scope of the bug

I’ll give it a closer look when I get home

[lethal quail]

ok

I'm currently having this same issue

@civic carbon

is there any way to fix it without

reverting save file

?

[civic carbon]

it's still the same for me i had to decrease some corruptions to be able to run it normally

[lethal quail]

so like what do you do then

isnt your progress just fucked

[civic carbon]

it is until it's fixed

[lethal quail]

welp

[civic carbon]

i can still progress but like %20-30 slower rn cause i'm not that far into the game

[lethal quail]

@vale galleon this issue started for me after I bought a bunch of these

[lethal quail]

my progress is basically fucked lol

idk if its worse for me

[civic carbon]

if your manual prestiges get you e9-e10 diamonds you could spam ps to get to e12

but if it's nowhere close then you can't rly do anything

[vague arch]

When you run Challenge 10 once, does it mess it up for you in all future c10 runs, forever?

or is it just when you try an Ascension Challenge?

[civic carbon]

it messes it up for that ascension

any ascension

[vague arch]

this is what is governing the Diamonds gain right now

wow platonic, way to not show the most important parts

When you enter a C10 challenge the first time, you're playing with the prestigePow of 1e-4, but in future completions it's likely much lower, something like 2e-6

[lethal quail]

yes

[lethal quail]

sooo

do you know what the issue is

?

[civic carbon]

• it doesn't do this if you don't leave the challenge

with retry challenge on you can go up as far as you can go

once you leave the challenge the issue begins and you can't go any further on c10

unless you manage to reach e12 diamonds

[vague arch]

I don't currently know what's causing the issue

It being permanent doesn't really make any sense though

To be honest I can't even get into the "quintillions of coins" with your first savefile

I was able to eventually get there

I think there's just fundamentally an issue with how the prestigePow interacts with the challenge 10 completions

you're able to instantly get (X) amount of diamonds thanks to the fact you start out with 0 completions, but then you have a (1/70) multiplier to the power the next time you try to run it

and it turns out that the initial diamonds matter a lot to getting additional upgrades

otherwise, I don't think there's an inherit bug

I'll make a change (maybe a balance change) that makes the exponent change a flat value, instead of it depending on the completion count

[civic carbon]

it shouldn't be like this tho right ?

because you get to go further if you wait and get better stats before you attempt c10

[vague arch]

The bug seems to be fixed when I change the balancing as above

I'm going to probably have to nerf a few things to compensate for the "buff" by removing the scaling factor on Diamond Gain exponent

[lethal quail]

0 crystals

[lethal quail]

any idea when the fix would happen?

my progress gonna be bricked until then

[vague arch]

4.1.7 is coming out today

I don't really understand how your save is bricked, though?

Do you have a savefile I can look at?

[lethal quail]

here

[vague arch]

I just loaded in your savefile and it was not bricked at all

What circumstances were you in that bricked your savefile?

Corruptions/Challenges/Game Version/Platform?

[lethal quail]

see so when I go for my first corruption loadout previously I'd be able to get to 90 sadistic challenges pretty much instantly but now I can't even get to 1

idk if I'm doing something dumb I thought I was going crazy

[vague arch]

I was able to get 89/120 by going to loadout 1 and running c10 after ascending

No other action taken

Maybe my 'balance patch' fixed the bug?

Also just curious, did you edit your savefile in any way?

[lethal quail]

no

never have

[vague arch]

Alright

The 4.1.7 patch will have the Balance Patch I mentioned above

If the bug is fixed with that, everything is fine, otherwise I'll look more into why your particular save appears to be bricked

It seems fixed if I load your save into my local dev version

[lethal quail]

okay

thank you for the quick response

[vague arch]

Which platform and version are you currently playing?

4.1.6 / Steam?

[lethal quail]

4.1.6 on the web

[vague arch]

which browser?

[lethal quail]

chrome

[vague arch]

I'm curious if loading in your own save fixes anything

I just tested it on synergism.cc, 4.1.6, and I was able to get 89/120 in loadout 1

[lethal quail]

i just tried that and it started working

weird

[vague arch]

If you can get the bug to happen again, please let me know ASAP

and ideally with steps to reproduce

[lethal quail]

alright will do

[civic carbon]

the issue seems to be solved after the patch

but i have to make something clear

i'm able to get more c10 completions by waiting to do them in bulk rather than doing them over time

for example

this is after i wait for my stats to get better and trying c10 with retry challenges on and i can get to 59 completions with 1e1971Qa coins

this is after i exit and re-enter that challenge

although this only happens in c13 i think

so you have to have the retry challenge option on and try to get it done in one go

is this intended or not i have to ask

@vague arch

[vague arch]

In c13 your taxes are divided by completions, roughly speaking

But if you do all the comps at once, it uses the initial tax values for all of them

I guess I can make it so that in c13 it only allows 1 comp at a time

[hollow lion]

doesnt c13 already limit challenges to 1 completion per tick

[vague arch]

It might be bugged(?) I’ll check later

[vague arch]

I'm going to say that this is intended for now, because of the implied balancing concerns. Also does limit to 1/tick as desired