#Quick Questions
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So this fish could be found where the river meets the sea. IRL Archerfish reside in fresh and brackish water, which means in waters where salt and fresh mix.
so...NOT in lakes or rivers
i didn't realize there were more options of where to find fish in this game 😅
4 water types. River, Lake, Estuary, Ocean.
I somehow completely missed the "estuary" type, my bad!
There are also 4 fishing rods ^_^
Thanks for explaining @warm root my one braincell is really struggling today sorry XD
not a problem, I believe, for now, there is only one estuary in the game. I could be wrong and have not explored enough, but that would be next to the dock where the fishing store is located.
||There should be 3||
That's exactly the spot i thought of when you mentioned one
more exploring for me lol
How do you get a ||dahlia bulb? Are they what you plant to grow the flowers or some other item?||
Apparently someone said ||it's the seeds||
Thanks, you were correct 😊
Is there a gender number that has the possibility to romance every character, or are there some NPCs whose preferences are mutually exclusive?
I don't mind doing several playthroughs to get all the content, I just really enjoy being the center of attention 😅
nope
but you can get a characters full story befriending them all
How do I build on the farm behind the mechanic? I’ve already finished the unlock area but it won’t let me build
Thank you!
More questions, sorry!!
- How does one make “Organic High Yield Fertilizer”? I’ve tried a bunch of things 😅
- How do you unlock the blueprints to make Food Crafting machines?
are you in year 2?
Nope so then you have to make it to year two for the cave one as well?
i don't know, haven't finished the 4th cave yet
Ope...guessing if the Organic High Yield fert wasn't in the game on 6/25 its still missing? I didn't see anything about it in the latest patch notes 😅
yeah I haven't seen a way to unlock it
although I haven't finished all of the food crafting skill trees
So, new question!
The last 2 animals I need are the Merino Sheep & Brown Alpaca.
I haven't seen either in the store after an entire season of checking, and I for sure have all the animals unlocked.
Per the message I am replying to, the Merino sheep should have been my default sheep option? Just wondering why I can't find it 😭
I haven't even started on those yet, I just figured out where to buy the blueprints for them, so off I go to work on that!
After the latest update the default sheep was changed to Southdown
that might be a bug. cause merino was the original default but got switched to southdown as the default in patch 2.
so Merino might be more rare now
Ahh ok. That makes sense, I figured it was something I wasn't aware of. Thanks!!
Keep checking and if you go several in-game weeks without seeing any maybe report it as a potential bug
you should probably report it tho, they'll want to fix that asap lol
it could just be bad luck, it's not like the Brown Alpaca has the same excuse
And there's only 2 types of rabbits and 1 type of Quail, right?
Yeah its been over 1 full season and I've never seen either of those animals in the shop. I'll try through winter and then put a bug report in if I don't find one!
Hopefully Law of Gaming #3 will take effect (can't find things until you go to complain about them and then they immediately appear to make you look like a dumb)
Hopefully you trigger that and not the Desire Sensor
One last question (sorry) do you guys have any recommendations on quick Crafting & Building skill leveling? I have tons of materials, I just don't want to work on any more buildings until I've unlocked all the blueprints....but I'm at level 21 and want to speed-run the rest of the skill to unlock everything 😅
oh no, what is the Desire Sensor? 👀
The game knows what you want and refuses to give it to you ;P I think it comes from the Monster Hunter community, but this is getting quite off topic
My recommendation: ||you probably have tons of sticks and stones. Make and demolish their respective paths over and over to farm EXP||
This is perfect, thank you!!
I get fertilizers from ||Ladybug, the composter, and the liquid ones are at the lab.||
yeah but its a specific type called "organic" high yield, that is only required for one skill tree unlocked
I mean........it'd have to be organic, no?
I'll look at the item names when iiiiii get back in the game.
the word organic isnt in the name of the fertilizers you buy at ladybug, etc.
and they dont unlock the skill so
it'll take me a hot minute, but i WILL come back to report in
oh yeah i’m bout to be using this thread 
I didn't see anyone asking, but in the shill tree under the battle section, it says sparky 1 for sticky paws....what is that!?
So I'm finally about to go tackle these crazy Cave Dungeons...does anyone happen to have a list of the gems needed to open doors and caches and such? I just really don't want over half my inventory to be every gem I've found just in case lol, please tell me i dont need to bring ALL of these
most of them simply match the door. not even i have a list with all the doors and their corresponding stones especially since i'm incredibly bad with naming. i'm afraid you need to keep them all with you at any time when you go into the caves and try.
note: || yellow doors open with the stone in your slot 1, this might be hard to fiddle out with color-matching ||
Are there any dining tables? I feel like all the tables are really low and more like a coffee table.
They need to be rescaled in a patch.
I think it's one of the things that Earth 1 was.
That bag that's in the corner.
it's called omamori 🙂 protectional amulet
Temple, left kiosk, Omamuri with one star with Sparky's face on it. The supply rotates daily.
btw, not only the stock rotates. als the recipes in your kitchen appliances rotates, is this already known?
Thank you!
I've been making sure to try and buy at least one a day in case that helps stimulate the stock rotation.
I'm real wary about stock rotation in the game LMAO.
i feel you for the seeds i bought every seed x20 in case i need it somewhen they all still lie in my post box 🤣
I buy one pack of all of my seeds and only use about 5 at a time.
EXCEPT THE FRUIT TREES. I've only one each of those.
Tell me about it. I have always seen roasted nuts in Sako's but never really bought them. Now that someone has requested a package to be delivered in 1 week, I'm sweating bullets 😓
What you do is you play about 3 days, then log out to the main menu and come back in USING THE LOAD OPTION.
That'll help make the stock change over.
And it's a type of nut I've probably only seen once
this tip is GOLD!
It's something that should be pinned somewhere as a workaround while they work on patches, but alas and alack.
Are there more goats than just the brown ones? And are there more cows than just the black and white ones?
Yep, you unlock by leveling your ranch skill and submitting to skill tree. You can hover over the skills and see what awaits you.
I unlocked that... two seasons ago or so. I'm in winter now and I think I unlocked 'all goats' and 'all cows' in spring, but I've never seen any other versions at Gabe's.
I have the other chickens and sheep.
I just unlocked goats and a whole bunch appeared. Have you been checking Gabe's daily?
No, not every day. But I've been there a few times and I've seen all the other variants, just never other variants of goats and cows, so I assumed it was a bug or a leftover in the skill tree. That you have 'All Cows' and 'All Goats' in there, but there's only one variant. But now I've been stuck in the skill tree for ages because I'm missing Rich Goat Milk, and I thought maybe my goat has to love me more to give that milk. But she's maxed out now, and I saw that my brown sheep gives different milk than my white one - that's how I came up with the idea that maybe it's the same with the goats.
So I assume it's some kind of bug that they're not appearing for me. I'll go there every day for the next few days, but I have my doubts as to whether they'll appear.
It took forever for black chickens to appear after I unlocked them. They appeared once, didn't buy it and the next day they were gone and did not appear until next season.
That sounds like a bug too. I get that not every animal is available every day, but it shouldn't been weeks or seasons in my opions.
Anyone knows if we have something that tracks all the plants we’ve grown?
Thanks!
Is there a button or something I can press to read the names of crops I'm growing? Trying to squint at the little signs and figure out which is which is driving me nuts 😅
Is there a bed or something I'm supposed to put in the|| medium chicken coop||? I cannot assign any chickens to it.
I thought that unlocking all those "see more info on your __crop growth" things in the Skill Tree would help...but I only see a number on each crop.
Is there an option to turn on crop names or anything that I'm missing?
pls I beg im going nuts lol
the number is the crop growth 😄
I haven’t seen a way and I, too, am going INSANE.
ESPECIALLLLLLYYYYY for some herbs that look near-identical except for teeny tiny differences.
Rotation curse. Play three days, log out to main menu, log back in using the load option.
Uuugh literally why do so many crops look the same 😩
I guess realism.
I think it’s spearmint and lemon balm that are my current enemies.
They are the SAME.
except for the amount of teeny tiny leaves in the middle.
Ok but my blindness is real 😩
I spoke to a friend of mine about it today and she said the only time she really sees the other animals that aren't standard is Monday. I've played for two days now and it was just Monday - and all the animals I unlocked are actually there.
So it seems to be a bug where Gabe's catalog is filled on Mondays and then it resets over the week or something like that. But yes, buying animals other than the standard animals seems to be only possible on Mondays at the moment.
I have to say personally, I don't like the rotating system at any of the merchants and I don't really understand the decision to do so. (It is also not realistic because a store always tries to have a fixed range, with (seasonal) offers here and there. Who would go to a supermarket or a hardware store where they never know whether they will have what they need?) There's no real upside as a player. You're just frustrated when you're looking for something that isn't there, plus the system doesn't work properly, which makes it doubly annoying. So if they could get rid of that or there would be a mod for it that would be really nice.
Somebody had suggested a crop name alongside the water icon, I was worried about visual clutter but I have a pretty good idea for how to impleent it now. If you stand by a crop for a few seconds then it'll pop up, kind of like extra info bubbles that show up in some games after a delay 🙂
No thank U!!!!
For listening to our problems and considering solutions
Instead of going “eat dirt”.
Your guys' feedback is what pushes me to open the engine every day and try to improve things 🫂
Oh my gosh THANK YOUUUU 😭
I seriously can’t see well enough to distinguish details so that will be so amazing for me 😩
I’m just gonna ignore crops until that’s implemented I think 😂
okay this stock rotation hack that someone wrote with closing the game and re-loading it from the "load game" button did NOT work for me. >.< it's my fault. i should've started buying the entire NPC stocks on each day sso i never need to worry about it again 😦
||has anyone unlocked the burger bun recipe?||
rainy is the engine warrior. Hes a brave man for dealing with unreal engine rofl then again unity is just as witchy...
I’m sorry!! It usually works for me.
I feel like that might be a broken recipe BUT!!!! There’s a thread SOMEWHERE on here that lists all the recipes found so far.
yea i took a look there before i posted it didnt have burger buns rip
I tried the loading from main menu trick earlier and all the shops changed, some of them changing stock for the first time in my entire play through (and I’m in winter gear 1 🤯)
Still can’t find the dang sheep and alpaca I need though 😭
Yeaaaahhhhhhh it’s busteddddd
OH
Someone said that the rare animals are on Mondays only!
And then something breaks. But check his shop on mondays!
I have burger bun unlocked but not at home right now to check it
UPDATE: u rite.
there is no organic fertilizer at all. i checked the home made, the ladybug and the laboratory. no organic.
i'm falling to my knees in agony
i even checked if you can dry something because || the dryer usually produces 'organic' stuff || but found no fertilizer there
it's not i was able to make burger buns, by accident btw 🤣 but sadly i don't have the ingredients in my head, i could only give a rough description, so i rather wait for cera to check when at home
im going to throw myself into oncoming (higashi) traffic because i can't get MEATLOAF, won't SOMEONE sell this wretched dish.
speaking of, is there anywhere I can....sell my dishes? other than the farmer's market?
So uh….are the || winter festival decorations || bugged?
Cuz uh…
|| I just spent like 5k on them and got all the blueprints but none of the actual items I bought to use for the blueprints 🙃 ||
acounter question... thre are winter festival decorations? where? and when?
|| At the festival! ||
oh... nice 😮 i needed to skip the last winter so i completely missed that >.< thanks!
so please anyone knows if this is bugged? sorry for stealing focus from your valid question >.<
It’s ok! Yeah I’m thinking it must be bugged. Restarted the day so I don’t waste all my money on it 😅
then i guess #1250882189302825031 🙂
So burger bun recipe is.....|| first make soft bread dough using the stand mixer. 1 Yeast, 1 Milk, 1 Flour, 1 Salt. Then take that soft bread dough and place it in the oven on an aluminum sheet pan. Burger bun.||
thanks!
oh i remember that recipe, it did show up at naka for me but soft bread dough didn't
i think the naka recipe list can be bugged sometimes
Is there a renewable source of grass to cut? I have seen one or two patches regrow on the farm, but I mean, in non farming areas?
It seems like they might be, yeah 😦 We'll look into it today 
Its just the grass on the farm 🙂 It doens't seem to be regrowing very quickly though, so we can take a look at it ^_^
Oh. Well it seems to be ||the only source of making hay feed, so I thought there might be an alternative.
||
Guess I'll just buy it
doesn't it take 3 days to make 1 straw w/ the drying racks
I'd have to take a look at the requirements for making straw, but I think you may be right. Can definitely look at rebalancing the system 
and i thought it took organic matter, not grass
Whoops I meant ||hay feed||
ohh
ahhhhhhh right right.
well i wouldnt tune the grass to grow back quickly, cause then we'll get grass popping up on our house porches more frequently lol
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's tied to farmable land or not. Nor if there's a performance issue to consider. I would say forested areas could be a good place. But idk what's under the hood 
Forests would be a good idea, yeah. Like you said though, may be a performance issue. We'd have to look into it. We could also look into other options for how the grass grows on the farm. Lots of options 
@hushed geyser ||the katsu burger didnt need veggies right? did you also unlocked the tofu version?||
yeah i've unlocked every savory recipe. not home to check anything right now though but i can check for tofu version then
thanksies!
trying to figure out if the tofu needed anything else though i did figure out how to make tofu katsu rofl...
I had to use a ||condiment to make beef katsu burger|| maybe the other versions would be the same?
heyy sorry for jumping in here since we are on the topic, maybe i missed it somewhere but where can i find condiments?
and how do you guys usually get exp faster for cooking skill, seem to be having trouble i that area😅
Eventually you will get a the recipes. But before then, you can buy them from Sako at the Oak Tree grocery store.
alright will check that out when i’m on it, thanks!
1x burger bun, 1x tofu katsu, 1x any condiment
Hello, if I wanna romance Kat, would it be okay to have at least the bar have a 7? I don't particularly understand the chart lmao. Like if my chara has the bar like between 7-9 is it a go or nah?
Also, why are my sheep escaping the fence like both doors closed but sometimes I wake up with 1 of them out and hungry and I can't get them to come in.
The chart's kinda....not working right right now LOL
Buttttttt i think you'll be good.
uhm guys?..... ||chestnuts are considered nuts right?||
i mean you can use the leash to lead them back in at least, just make sure you're not too far away, sometimes you need to play with in what direction you go, to make them listen but it should work.
as for your other question. i don' tknow if you need to pay so much attention on any bar or whatever, just ask her out, if she says no, || bribe her with more coffee ||
This may be another case of "Nut" tag vs "Nuts" tag
Looking at the data dump I got it seems that's likely the case
they need more type safety 😛
Alright so I’ve officially gone an entire in-game year without Gabe selling a normal sheep or brown alpaca 😩
Thank you!!
Chestnuts aren't a nut that you can grow, so they didn't end up on my "nuts" list.
wait there are LISTS? 👀
Well I mean, in the back end for planning, yes 😂
speaking of lists, i plan to update the one i made once we have crop name text so i can actually get back to testing things 😂
i have been keeping a list of the crops that wilted in the greenhouses when they shouldn't have (and werent just a casualty of me forgetting to water 😅 )
Also...I finally built my McMansion and I was wondering.....can I just fill it with garden planters and use it like a massive greenhouse?
Second year question ||where do I go to buy the second farming area?||
My guess where you got the first one
I'm also seeking the answer to this 👀 || i went a little oveboard on building and i literally don't have any room left on my current land LOL....please tell me we can move entire buildings to other plots once we buy them?? ||
Hey so I don't think steam is tracking this achievement correctly for me LOL 👀
I’ve ||scoured the town hall with no luck||
Have you thoroughly checked your messages to make sure if you missed replying?
if I uninstall & delete the demo, anyone know if I can my saves from the demo will stay in the completed game? I'm more interested in saving the look of my character rather than the progression I have in the story, but keeping both would be nice.
Yeah I’ve checked everything there. I even have the quest started saying to ||purchase it|| but it doesn’t give me a location
oh, I think I saw somewhere you got to the plot and activate purchase from there.
They're indicated on the map with the red mailboxes, you pass one when you turn right from Umi park heading to the Lab
There are others, but I don't know if they can be purchased as the second farm, maybe someone who has unlocked those areas can help you with that.
you have to go to the farms themselves
there's one east of the bus stop and one west of the beach pier
So far as I know, this isn't an option right now. We can look into moving things between properties in the future though, it's honestly a great idea. 
Everything uses the same save file! 
Yep I just discovered that! Thanks so much guys!
is extra firm tofu in sako's? i keep seeing 'firm tofu' in the store but its been a long time and still no 'extra firm' in stock; just wanted confirmation it really exists and if i should keep checking haha 
And last question from me for the day: ||white crucial carp advice? I’m assuming it’s river or lake based, more lake than river since I’m usually river fishing.||
Is there a difference between "sunnyseed sugarcane stem cutting" and sugarcane? Do I need to wait longer for the sugarcane to become the right product? I'm asking because the skill tree needs sugarcane and doesn't accept the stem cutting.
it probably needs the product you get from harvesting sugarcane?
the stem cutting is what you plant to grow it
So I have to wait for the sugarcane to mature to the right size before harvesting then?
I finally found the white crucian carp at the ||campgrounds lake||
||I wasn't using a lure||
Got stuck sideways in a river, can't surface. How do I get unstuck?
"Return to last sleeping spot" worked
was this near the mechanics shop? Im trying to make sure i know of all the broken swimming spots 🙂
Yes, at the mechanic shop area
cool just making sure thanks!
Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but IDK where else to ask 😅
I've been collecting all the Battle Gear stuff (Ofudas, Omikujis, etc) and storing them because I'm a hoarder with a problem....(there's literally almost 200 stocked up at this point)
So my question is: If I were willing to/able to collect all of them in the game, take a picture of each one (showing all the info on each) and make a scrapbook of all of them (organized like they are in the pic, by element type, stars, rarity, etc)....would anyone else be willing to take all that info and put it into the Wiki?
It looks like there isn't a page for combat on the Wiki yet, but if someone is willing to take all the pics and put them in a graph (like the Fish page) I'd be happy to try and collect them all and organize the pix of them!
Correct. It felt like it took my stupid sugarcane ages to grow lol.
Wiki is currently migrating, which is why there is less progress on it. I think there was already a thread for this kind of thing
Oh 😩
wait i might be dumb, are there shovels?
nope
When you destroy something crafted/placed on your plot, do the materials go away forever? I'm having a heck of a time waiting for the tent and sleeping bag to cycle through the grocery store.
Oh cool! So if I destroy the tent on my farm I get the tent back? That I could then use in a story quest?
can u get sand from a digging fork?
Sand is gotten with the bucket down on the beach
okay slay
i wouldnt suggest destroying your tent till you have a backup sleeping situation. There is a bug that can pause your time which would make you unable to sleep if you dont have a bed. but yes if you have a bed you can do that!
also ps: you dont need to ||set up camps in the caves|| but its helpful 🙂
👀
Oh! Neat! Thank you~
The futon bluprint requirements changed. So you dont need wool anymore to craft one. Incase you want an early game bed
But you need ||fabric||, which I haven't the slightest idea where to start for getting that
fair. That is also|| for sale at sakos on rotation 😭 ||
I really appreciate this, thank you!
There might be a better way, just saw that post so I linked it
is there any way to auto snap counters together or naw
Only way really is to turn on the grid.
okay thaaank you!!!!
At least for now 
hey guyss so recently i've just unlock the ||auto irrigation water system|| and was wondering how does it work? i've already|| toggle on for the auto option in the app,|| are there something else I should be aware off? or that is it?
yippiee!!!
||Make sure you have plenty of water available in storage||
If it's not working, let us know 
ah ok thanks! it didn't|| cover every crops, i'll try adding more water tanks|| and see how it goes
Nvm I just searched || “broken oil press” || and found my answer LOL
Also maybe have a look at this #1252639525168222378
thanks! got the basics in and found the related post for the automatic irrigation in the bug section https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1251530958050689115
So I grew a tea plant to get tea stalks so I could make Kukicha Tea Leaves for the skill tree, but I harvested this from the tea plant and it doesn’t work for the tea leaves recipe…what the heck lol
Tea Stalks ||you can harvest at stage 5||
Well, a google search brought me to what kukicha tea is...I think having "leaves" in the name is misleading.
Oh so I’ll get them from the same plant later ?
Yup
When the tea bush tells you it can be harvested, wait. ||There is a skill, when unlocked, will tell you what stage it is in by a number. (regarding Thyan's reply) and that stage is 5||
OOOOH! I had no idea that was a thing, thank you!
I wondered what the point of the numbers were lol
Me, too. Thank you @quartz dawn
The ONLY reason I know is because of CC in The Sims 4. Someone made it so that you can harvest tea leaves and then the stage at which you grab them when they're drying determines the kind of tea leaf you'll get.
Why does my character have a 🤢 icon pop up after eating cheese? No other food (that I've found so far) does this.
they're lactose intolerant
quick qns, are we able to grow crops outside of the season in the greenhouse? example crops for winter grown in spring/summer etc in greenhouse
Seems like not at this time. ||But try with planters inside a greenhouse and see, maybe?||
I had no idea that was even a mechanic 🤔👌🏻
Make sure to bring it up here if your greenhouse isn’t working right https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1257047102010425375
im kidding lol
Oh my gosh 🤣
Are greenhouse crops supposed to be watered when it rains outside? 🧐 I’m not complaining 😂
nope thats a bug 
can we not report that one? saves me effort 
lol its a known bug so no need to report it 🙂
Was literally replying “you say bug, I say happy surprise” 😂
But then being buggy in winter should stay too, just to be fair. Balance.
It's a feature 😉
Literally
Also, any word on the missing sheep?
Of COURSE the pretty princess bed needs the one type of wool I’m unable to get right now 😩
which sheep are you talking about? The white ones?
Yes
The basic beech sheep
Must enjoy pumpkin spice lattes 😅
in the recent patch it was changed so that you unlock the brown sheep by default, then unlock the white sheep through the skill tree. If you had already unlocked the skill tree perk pre update that could have caused it to not give you the white sheep. So they will need to add a patch that will check for that kind of thing. I hope that makes sense XD
but if you havent done the skill tree thing yet it should show up after you unlock it (or a few days after you do, gabe takes some time to get it in stock)
the brown alpacas are MIA though and they were working on that yesterday 🙂
Totally! I know they were aware and working on a fix yesterday, I’m just impatient because I can’t progress the ranching skill stuff now lol
Yeah I’m missing those as well 😂
heck 
hope they have a fix for you soon. They have been pretty quick with the patches 🙂
Is the horse actually implemented in the game currently?
Homeboy Gabe was like “i got poooonies, come through” and then never sold any 🙃
Yesss they’re seriously amazing!
yeah but you dont get the quest to get them till ||year two, and i think when you buy the second farm|| and the quest doesnt complete once you buy one. But that is the last objective of that quest, so it wont lock you out of anyting if it says its not completed 🙂
they should be in the shop though, it may just take a few days, or till monday for them to show up in his shop
Yeah I did all that and he promised me a pony
are they fixing the horse quest so it'll complete?
Maaan I’ve been struggling with his shop this week 😂
Hmmm i know other people have gotten the horse so I know its a thing, i just havent tested it myself in a while so i dont recall how it works fully 😭
yes! they plan to fix that 🙂
Also,
|| now that I bought my first plot of land (which I’m shocked cost less than my truck lol) do I have to wait for story things before snatching up all the other real estate?
Asking cuz I don’t wanna story rn I wanna grind 😂 ||
i've got the horse but as far as i can tell it doesn't do anything special, can't even ride it
there are several foods that do this, but most of them are "raw" ingredients that you wouldn't think to eat on its own. I'm guessing you ate a whole cheese wheel/block instead of slicing it first?
Ahh. I probably never would anyways since it doesn’t have inventory space LOL.
Being in a completionist mood while things are unable to be completed is rough 😩
Also if anyone has a guide for how to set up irrigation, I would love to see it 😍
Also Part 2: is there some way to display these guys?
I tried doing it via drone but there’s no blueprint for them
display stands
ahh ok makes sense, thanks!
Yesss.... 😅
Just like I do IRL 🤣
Lol
I was thinking the same thing 😂
you can check out this thread https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1252639525168222378 and ||this https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1251530958050689115 (after unlocking the automated system in skill tree)||
How many days does it take for the bees to produce honey?
I wanna stagger the apiary building/activation to where I'm getting one honey a day
||Is there a way to take queen bees out? I wanted to start the way I produce honey over and I don't like the idea of destroying them.
||
No, you will have to ||buy a new queen. You have blueprint to craft more hives and there are also advanced blueprints upon unlocking/leveling||
What do you mean by "start the way I produce honey over". Can you not move them?
Sorry, I mean I want to synchronize when the honey gets produced. The ones I got early on produce at different points lol
I wanted to do that too. I just waited until they all produced. Didn't harvest any honey until they were all done producing. Once they all had the checkmark icon at the same time, I harvested them all. Now they are on the same schedule.
Ooooh. That's such an obvious solution lol thank you!
If I thought about it, I probably forgot 
So how many apiaries does it take to get one honey per day?
I THINK if you demolish it you get the bee back... 
Last time I counted, I harvested honey on summer 24 and didn't get honey again until fall 3. I guess that means it takes either 7 or 8 days for a hive to produce. So if you plan strategically, either when you build a hive or when you harvest from one, you could get 1 honey per day that way I imagine.
You could also just put 1 hive down each day until they start producing 1 a day. I think that's the easiest option than above.
Ingredient: ||dashi?|| I think it's called? Crafted or Bought? 🤔 I need it for a skill unlock. I'm not in game rn, so I cannot confirm if that's even the right name of the ingredient 
Crafted on the stove
If there are any devs about, ||I know the homes/bedrooms are personalized to the character. I wanted to know about the PlushyChans. If they have them in their homes, does that mean they like those specific ones? 👀 ||
Ah, I gotta see if I have the recipe then
Not a dev, but there are NPC specific gift preferences for plushies
i know ||Gabe likes dragons. Makes sense considering the nickname.||
I was just curious if there was a correlation because it would be super cute 
I gave Fuyu ||the plushie from their bedroom. They seemed neutral about it. But it could be that I didn't give them the right emotion.||
truu
i didn't realize ||the emotion of the plushy|| counted too until ||a hangout with Gabe in spring|| lol
I wasn't sure about the ||emotion|| part of it all. I was assuming it did. Thank you for the tip.
Yeah the ||reaction to the sad dragon plushie and the happy one are very different from Gabe||
The plushies in houses just shows that they like plushies in general, or at least someone in the house does. The specific ones that they like, however, are not represented that way
And generally speaking, whatever item the skill unlocks can usually be gained by interacting with that skill. So if it's an unlock on the cooking branch, chances are that you need to cook it, etc.
Hello, so I did the recycle iron thing on the first day and got my axe second day, since it wasn't my first playthrough, I rushed to get all the mats needed for the teahouse just after I got the pickaxe, since I already had an axe, I didn't bother asking for one and forgot it was part of the main quests, now I have the tea house built and went back to my journal and saw the mission for the axe, so I thought I was stuck at first but after getting a second axe, the mission progressed and now its asking me to build the tea house but its already built but not registering. I went to the next day and restarted the game in general to have it load again but I'm still stuck with that mission and I can't move forward.
thank you for both answers 
I'm sorry to say that there's not much we can do about it, sadly. The mission was never meant to be jumped over like that. We can take a look at how the quests are linked and fulfilled, and we do want to add options to skip the questline completely for people who are playing for the second or third time, but for now you have to follow the quests in order. 
Remember, SunnySide isn't for speed running, it's about slowing down, relaxing, and enjoying yourself. 
I’m so sorry, but you gotta start over…. 😦
It’s a real bad idea to skip quest progression in this game. Usually, it can be fixed by sleeping to the next day, but this one….
~pauses mid-54hr speedrun to own everything in the game~
wait, i'm playing it wrong? D:
Its not possible to remove a plant from a planter box, correct?
I planted every single tree in a nice little box, and I was about to start setting up irigation for them but apparently that doesn't work with planter boxes right?
I really prefer the way plants look in the planters so im gonna have to regrow everything or keep watering every day myself 😂
Oh well that sucks, I guess it's lucky I'm still early days. Not really trying to speedrun it or anything, I just wanted to get the house as soon as possible coz I don't like tent living lol but can't be helped. Thank you for answering!
Also, someone mentioned something about Greenhouses not working properly at the moment...if I wanted to plant 1 of every tree in my greenhouses, are they going to die when their season ends ?
Tho the idea to skip this series of missions for those going through it more than once is a nice idea and hopes it does get implemented! 🙂
irrigation works for planters 😉
||Trees don't die||
We're gonna have a fix for the house/tent situation soon.
I wouldn't say wrong
Everyone's gonna play their own way, but the overall intention of SunnySide was to inspire people to relax 
OMMG YAAAY THANK YOUUUU
Don't worry, organizing everything into this nice little shed is incredibly relaxing for me 😍
Is there any tips on ||insect finding?|| I haven’t found a single one in my 100 hour playtime 😭. I even have the skills unlocked for ||showing them sparkle or whatever|| and I have made a little garden to attract them
And holy cow I just got my first one right after saying this
LITERALLY SAME!
I tried taking pix of the nuisance raccoon and the lab wasn’t interested in it lol
Sometimes you just gotta complain for things like that to work. I swear lmao. There is a a thread in help center for bug locations I think though!
This is literally one of the laws of gaming
Omg this makes me SO happy!
Follow-up Question:
|| Does irrigation work in greenhouses? ||
Should do, let us know if not! Also I'm giving them a spanking tomorrow to their greenhosues on why some of y'all's crops are dying in there 🫡
I saw your greenhouses with dead plants and it made me very sad 
Sweeet, thank you!!
DUDE I WAS SO MAD
Spent hours figuring out what I wanted to plant in there and all that stuff and woke up like
“BUT WHY”
They just take into account literal bugs and birds. Raccoon, foxes... Etc
... Those doesn't count
I did this, too in the beginning. Even using the regular camera lol.
(also make sure to use the critter scanner, normal camera doesn't count)
I tried getting pix of the bee swarms at my farm and nothing happened 😭
Bees actually aren't an entry sorry 
oh, its literally the only bug i've seen in the game so thats perf 💯
(i am very blind)
Standing in front of Gabe's place spawns a lot of them around you! I've heard some players got like all the critters in one day using that method 😂
OH, maybe you could help me
so
idk how to fix my settings
but when i go into drone mode things get suuuuuper grainy
one person said i needed to turn my graphics up but i always thought that higher graphics meant lower performance
That is correct yeah, maybe just try putting the "effects settings" up?
That I believe is the one that affects it the most
it also does it when i try to use my phone
like can't read the phone text at all
In that case you can absolutely go a lomg waywith just EFFECTS, amd if you really want to upgrade it then SHADES. Wich settings are you using right now? Medium?
the biggest issue is that im ocd so when in trying to line 2 items up seamlessly, the white outline turns into like a super thick white halo so i can't actually see where the item ends up lol
yes!
they checked out my pc specs when we were talking about it previously and its a good pc, can run pretty much anything at ultra if i wanted to
but its also a laptop so the fans get loud and make me feel bad
Hmmmm???? That sounds... Weird then?
Are you using Nvidia or Amd Graphics?
which rarely happens, hasn't happened in this game at all
i am using...a computer and thats about all i know LOL one sec
ill get the specs
it was nvidia iirc
Ohhh well A few years ago I tried on my laptop, I had to buy a gaming pc 🥹 my laptop is powerful and all... But for stuff like this I rely on PC
Hahahaha don't worry, is not something everyone knows from the start
this is a super special gaming laptop that my bf got to run crazy games and i promptly stole for my cozy organizing sims
i mean, its been running the game for literally the last 59 hours straight....could that be the issue? 🧐
i do notice it gets better after i exit the game every once in a while
That's a really good card right there...
Are your drivers updated??
We can specifically talk about it in #1251167900916645958 so it doesn't get lost here, or annoy others if you want
So basically you're frying your poor little laptop for the sake of SunnySide!?!?! That deserves a prize
I love your commitment @keen canopy hahahajah
I hope this isn't a silly question. Does crafting individual items count just as much on the skill tree as crafting them in multiples? Will crafting 10 milk in the ||cream separator|| all at once give me the same amount of skill points on the tree as crafting 1 milk in the ||cream separator|| 10 times?
👀 its more for the sake of my own dissociation but otherwise yeah i guess that's accurate 😅
Ugh... I get it. That's why SunnySide got me obsessed from day one.
i literally, swear to god did not even REALIZE i just spent that long playing.
i learned that today is wednesday like 4 hours ago and i'm still not sure that's real
anyways ill move to that other thread to keep chatting sorry!
Oooo I was also wondering this earlier
It's not a problem for me. Is just im case other might feel nervous about it. Also that thread is more specific
Does the ||lush climate have sapphires||
Also where the heck do you get the ||cream separator||
And thirdly thanks for all of the help lately, I really appreciate it
is there anything specific that happens when you lock in your romance? o_o
how the heck do you ||get adzuki beans out of the pod.................................................................||
I could be wrong, but ||drying?||
||Higashi outlet mall! (saiyatek)||
it gives me ||'organic adzuki bean seeds'||
Also ||make sure it’s unlocked on the skill tree. Won’t be available till you do || 🙂
Cutting board and knife? Just a guess
||which size cutting board? because i tried with medium and nothing happened (i put one at a time in the slots with the knife)||
||wait which branch is this?!||
||food crafting||
gotchaaa. im ||level 7 on that right now so not sure what level unlocks the beans?||
You wanna use the small one first. The med cutting board is supposed to be locked till you upgrade the cooking skill. That’s why you can’t use it I think 🙂
huh. ||I've used the medium board to cut fish though. ||
||i've never used the small one.||
If I remember correctly, the med cutting board cannot be crafted until you unlock the blueprint from the skill tree?
I still haven't unlocked the Lg myself
Hm maybe I’m misremembering lol
I googled || adzuki beans. Makes me guess there might be a few ways to get it. If it’s not an option in the drying rack, it may also be water and the cutting board. Since google said they need to be dried or soaked. || part of what google had to say || When seed pods are mature and relatively dry, collect and winnow. Dry the little red beans completely before storing in a glass jar.
Adzuki beans need not be soaked overnight unless they are extraordinarily old. Soak seeds just an hour or so, as you would lentils, then sprout, or boil and rinse and prepare per your recipe.||
Oh, would that mean it has to be picked at ||final stage||?
I think there's two versions of the cutting boards. I unlocked another medium and large from the skill tree, but there's also the ones you just buy from the woodshop
||i was able to get it from Phillip though|| not sure what that means
Those are the mats to make a functional cutting board
Maybe? Honestly I’m not sure. It also could be like the tea sapling or garlic where you get different items depending when you harvest it
Ok yeah, I looked again. So, I had the mats but not the blueprint until I unlocked it on the skill tree
Oooo that’s it
wait im confused. ||so we can buy the cutting board (not blueprint) from Phillip but technically can't use it because it's not unlocked on the skill tree?||
Yes. There's only the option to build/place the small until you unlock the others on the skill tree
Yes, you need the blueprint in order to place it as an appliance
I think that is its category
but ||i've placed and used the medium board.....||
Yeah it’s not supposed to show up in the shop till it’s unlocked. It’s a bug that’s confusing for y’all sorry 😭
Have you not unlocked it?
I've unlocked all three.
Yeah, I got excited when all three dropped in Phillip's store, bought them all and saw I could only place the small one lol
Have you tried placing maybe 2 pods?
do we have a guide for irrigation system?Does it need to be connected to a hose or water pump?
Sorry, I replied in the wrong channel at first 🤣
thanks.do it need to be connected to a water pump or hose?
||yeap, didn't work. I got the small cutting board and tried that too but it didn't work either||
And just to make sure, you have used cutting boards before?
yeah, many times. I've unlocked all three blueprints
Because many did not realize you need to press the acorn to process
ok
This is a mystery. But Adzuki seeds are also used in recipes as beans so it is confusing
Hey so I JUST finished that
crop on the skill tree and basically i just grew it like normal, harvested it asap and then I believe I had to put the crop in the dryer for the actual one you use at the skill tree
would be nice if they reduce the timer for the dryer...it's too long
ooooo
yeah i feel like its realistic with how long it takes but it takes soooo long. Maybe they will be okay with balancing that later on 🙂
yeah it gave me seeds instead of beans
that was my whole issue lol
I remember being able to use the seeds in recipes, so they are the same thing
beans, peas, the plants grow from them
are we able to install the irrigation system on plant boxes?
yeah i just dont know if it works with the clay pots or not tbh
i couldn't use the seeds for the skill tree unlock though
That's because you have "organic"
ah. how do i get non organic seeds...
what fertilizer were you using?
Anyways, I know it will take additional amount of time, but try using the store bought fertilizer in a plot you plan to plant your adzuki plant in.
wait so harvesting adzuki beans gave you seeds?
my quality high yielf
ok!
thanks sm!
guys you will not believe this
i did not open the bags .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
so imagine my surprise (and DUH moment) i had when i clicked (open pack) lo and behold.... my adzuki beans.. you know..............
i truly am speechless
It's somewhere along the lines of searching for something for half an hour that is in your hand, or when I started wearing contacts wondering why it's getting darker at sunset forgetting that I'm wearing sunglasses and not my prescription glasses lol
Do you need a ||meatloaf|| or the ||meatloaf|| recipe? I just got it. You were asking about it yesterday. Maybe everything has been sorted out by now for you. But I thought I'd check.
I need the actual food for a delivery quest. I don’t think I can make it yet, my cooking skill is abysmal.
ok 👍
on stream today, they talked about how a patch is coming soon that should have better balanced requests 🙂
not sure if meatloaf will still be requested but in general you should get easier items
Wait...concerning recipes.
I recall when during a hangout with ||Zander that he is telling MC about a recipe he tried to remake....mac n cheese and then offers it to the MC...do we actually get that recipe? I'm not in-game right now, tried to play today but too hot||
greattt question. You should 🙂
if you dont let me know lol
Alright. Should I post in bugs if I did not receive it?
yes please ❤️
No need on the Mac n cheese. The recipe doesn't exist in the game cause I'm a jerk and wrote the scenes before I did the recipe list 
🙇♀️🙇♀️🙇♀️ sorry 😔
Will the SunnySeed vouchers have an expiration date? (Also, does the game keep track of our usage of them? I haven’t tested this yet.
)
No expiration date, and you should be able to only use them once per save, but don't quote me on that.
Where do we get smelt? I've done a bit of fishing and haven't found one yet.
Have you gone|| ice fishing|| yet?
Ah! I forgot one! Thanks. 😂
Just tested. If you just purchased and haven't exited the app yet, the voucher is still applied, but once you close the phone and go back, it says it's already been redeemed. Too bad cause the satisfying clicking sounds made me want to do more shopping

Is there another really good place to take critter pics besides Gabe's ranch? Specifically everything other than birds. I've filled up almost all the bird log, but I've been at Gabe's place for a pretty long while and want some new scenery and to stop creeping outside his shop lol
I wish there was something useful I could do with my 5 million sticks 😩
Any <@&904506461621723136> on? Sorry for pinging... idk who to bother
Sure whats up
May I DM?
Go right ahead
i mean we can build stick consuming fences i think... so maybe surrounding your entire farm with a sticky fence might be what you want to do... but that's about it... soem buildings consume sticks i guess... some food consumes sticks....
if you can think of something that makes sense in terms of realism, make a suggestion. i could for example imagine that you can shredder them and have briquettes. those are very popular materials when building various furniture.
I forgot for a sec that things like kebabs exist and I was like wait what, sticks used for food- I don't wanna know lol
more like skewers ^^
you don't eat the sticks, don't worry 🤣
What do these numbers represent?
Your deck of cards. So the first deck is short two and the second has none added yet
If you hit the blue + it'll auto add any cards you have in your inventory/battle pack
The green bars are your and sparky's hp
Oh. Should probably also add it's good to go in through the app to make sure you add the omikuji (I think is the right one?) for each additional deck. Plus Sparky can carry more chips now ^^
Ohh cool! Thanks for the tips! How do you build a 2nd deck?
Through the app. Open your packs of cards (You can buy from a table near the shrine) and add what you'd like. There's up and down arrows to the side to flip to your different decks
I'm not much for doing any type of battle mechanics the 'right' way so I just auto add cards and hope for the best 
do you guys know where i can get sweeteners?
i made the syrup and tried to make lemonade with it in the cutting board but it doesn't seem to register when its been added, not sure if this is a bug or i'm missing something
I'm not sure if the simple syrup is tagged as a sweetener. Does make sense though 
Sweeteners are things like honey and sugar.
i would check the mill for sugar. maybe the grocery store
ah alright thanks! i'll have to keep a lookout on the sugar in grocery store..seems its on rotation too
On a grid when there's a 2x2 grid (4 squares) it's called a 2 by 2. What are 2 squares next to each other called? Is that a 1x2 or a 2x1? Is it usually row first or column first?
It might have to be sugar only. I tried using honey and it didn’t count as a sweetener in recipes. 😦
Sugar, powdered sugar, and brown sugar are the 3 sweeteners
Depends on the context, but usually row first (from a mathematics context at least)
So right past Gabes there is a bridge into town. If you turn right before crossing the bridge and follow the shore of the river, there is a black brick tiling on the ground. Butterflies spawn like crazy at the end of that tiling, and some dragonflies too
You sweetheart! Thanks 😁
yes! my favorite place to go looking for bugs/birds is on ||Ryan's home across from Cutting Edge Salon. they spawn on the balconies there like crazy||!
i probably got over half of the bugs in a single day at this spot
Thank you!
I got at least a third of all of them from Gabe's, but then kept seeing the same ones and was bored of being in the same place lol
oh i totally get that. it was just luck that i found that spot, glad i could help others find somewhere new to search!
I only ever found 1 bird and 1 bug. How are you all finding them critters?!
honestly, i was the same. but the best way to find them is to go to those hotspots, with the drone/critter cam active, and just move around and take photos. if you're in the right spots, they'll start to spawn the longer you're in the area, from my experience
Can you name your dogs/cats or its just gonna be the random generator names?
they're generated, but you can shuffle until you get one you like i believe
Where would I share a warning for others that is also a spoiler (and probably bugged to, idk man this was WILD)
I have no idea since I don’t know what it pertains to 
|| Moving your animals betwen farm plots once you've bought a 2nd+ one ||
Ohhh hmm if it’s something you feel is working wonky you can definitely plop it into #1250882189302825031 Hidden goes through all of that to test what is and is not a bug, or a better option is to report it in the in game system since it goes directly to the rainy bugs site.
Out of curiousity, what's the issue?
Lol so get this
|| I built a shed on the 2nd farm plot we can buy, then moved all my brown sheep there because i wanted to stock up on regular wool for furniture blueprints, but i dont have the patience to sheer 5 other sheep +7 alpacas in the process....
So, all my brown sheep are moved into the new plot barn, i set up a new shearing station, go to sheer my sheep when WHAM
Alpacas all teleported across town to my new shearing station 😂 ||
It was kinda hilarious in a "are you freaking kidding me rn" way
also since that brilliant plan didn't work out, i also now have an extra 6 brown sheep to add to the insane shearing line 😅
thank you !!
Sounds like they were hot and wanted in on it
Also in regards to that, there's no way to disable the mini-game right?
I really like it, but after playin for 78hrs straight, all those letters just blur together and i have some very angry sheep 😂
There is not, no
Okie, i figured. It won't be bad once i can sell some of the animals...i somehow got 50 without noticing until the achievement LOL
Why is it not letting me type the name of my chickens? Do I just have to randomize until I like something?
For now, yeah, you have to choose one of the presets. The text boxes were originally set so you could edit them, but it got a bit messed up when controller support was added, and adding the ability back is a bit complicated. It's on the list though! 
Tysm!
I'm honestly kinda enjoying looking through all the names & learning some new ones instead of naming all my animals the same thing i've named them in every other farm sim for the last 20 yrs 😂
I just wanna name them silly things like “Bucket” and “Cornflakes” and “Help”.
I wanna be able to type the names so its good that it's on the list of being worked on! I don't mind the randomizer but sometimes I double click by accident and skip by the one I like by a split second and have to find it again 😭
LMAAAAO HELP
ok but my very 1st animal in this game was a chicken named Kamikaze who literally would try to follow me into town and played in the street, i had to make him his own little jail cell 😂
omg i do that all the time 😭
Should this quest still be on hold? I’m already in Summer Year 2 😅
huh. That's weird. I assume you've used the fertilizer?
I’ve tried many times and just wasted it I guess 😅
You use the green canister thing right?
The thing that reminds me of the machine for making chalk lines on a baseball field.
It’s green and handheld.
And you drag the fertilizer onto it. The brown kind.
Not the liquid kind.
Oooh I was always trying with the liquid one 😅 ty!!
That fixed my quest, thanks!!
Hello, is it better to put the shearing station for the animals inside the enclosure or I can put it outside without the animals running away?
Unsure, but be careful. When you place it, because of a bug, it can NOT be moved.
So choose carefully.
...nor deleted.
This has been fixed in the current Beta build, just a heads up
if all goes well, we'll be pushing it to the main branch this weekend.
If I were to delete a house, what would happen to all the furniture inside?
I would say put it in their enclosure. They kind of ran away after you shear/milk them, so if it's outside hte enclosure, you're effectively teleporting them outside and then leaving them there 😂
Honestly? I have no idea 😂
maybe try it when you wake up first thing and see what happens?
I accidentally did this. They stay floating in place lol
Yeah I’ll have to because I just realized the mansion I filled with every piece of furniture in game is actually the smaller version 😭
so upgrade it?
WhT do you mean???
😂
whaaaat??!
Bro
gimmie a few min, will show video
I swear this is the best kept secret of SunnySide
you turn on the grid and snap the bigger home over the parts that are existing
It's so cool
I didn't know that was possible....
BUT FEM I ALREADY BUILT MCMANSION #2
I had no idea. Thank you!
OK i restarted the day before building the 2nd one
omg thats so cool HOW and WHY aren't we screaming about this to everyone we know?!
So can I maybe put the normal bungalow on the modern hut?
should be able to, yeah
thank youuu, as always, you are the TRU MVP 💙
Wait why am I downloading content
Did y’all just sneak in a patch?
#📌public-beta
Woooah ty!!
Oh. I've been meaning to ask about beta, I know so far so good with the beta being pushed to the main game, but will that ever change? Idk, I've been using the beta but also it makes me think how most games have a beta version that's basically like a demo because you lose all that progress when the game releases
We do advise everyone to back up their save just in case, but other than that, it's always just going to be what we're working on for the main branch, as far as I know. Never say never, though.
Follow up, would there be any type of issues if you suddenly stop using the beta version? Or should be fine so long as you wait until the main branch is caught up to the beta version, it should be fine?
Btw, huge thank you to you and all the other devs for being so chill with my spam-like comments
This is mostly why we suggest backing up your save if you plan to play on beta. But we can't ormise that we won't ever roll anything back. Beta will always have a little bit of risk associated with it
Is there a use for cows milk? The kind you get after it's gone through the separator?
Other than selling it?
Yes. Just checking before I load up the store with more milk than the residents can drink in a year 🤣🤣
I'm finally organizing my cache and found like 4 stacks of milk 🤣🤣
Lemme look
yes, it's used in quite a few cooking recipes.
The unprocessed milk is ALSO used in stuff, so don't just process all your milk
Thank you! I'll take a look. Just haven't slept in 24+ hours (cuz viday games) so my coffee is still trying to catch up. Reading is hard 😴
Another question... what changed about chickens and rabbits that they are so pissed every day. I give pets every day, thier water and food is full, I picked up and replaced the feeders and caterers, clean bedding and everything and all of a sudden after the most recent update they went from happy to pissed every day. What an I doing wrong?
😂 Rainy changed the way that the happiness is calculated, so that may be part of it. I'm testing it rn
I have something witty to say but to keep it pg I'll keep it to myself 🤣🤣
Hanako update. Mad at the world for no reason
Another quick question. Are there salt licks and auto brushes in the game for the animals?
Sorry I'm full of questions today
Nope
Sadge.... TO THE SUGGESTIONS!
As far as I can tell, as of right now, the only automation is in ||irrigation.||
Anyone else's Winter Honeysuckle plants look really sad and dead in the winter?
happened to mine too
in the info details it says that winter shld be fine but was that changed?
I can still harvest them like normal, they just look REAL sad
is it they only have branches without the leaves?
oh man i thought it withered and i just dig it out😅
that’s a big one, wanted to upgrade to mansion but it might need to change alot of things on mine 😅
any idea if the Fishing Competition will be fixed in the patch tomorrow?
this gift quest is supposed to expire right? its been active since spring and i still havent gotten it to her
they arent expiring
Hey where the heckos do u get copper
I'm also hella stuck on how to get the tea leaves for the skill tree
how do you unlock water turbine?
The mines
You grow them
Okay but like where in the minds im kinda far in the mines and haven't found any at all also Grew Nasturtium winter honey suckle but dunno how to make them into tea leaves
leafs*
lol
mines *
what do you need copper for
cause anything that requires copper to craft can be bought
The drying rack you get from Kyle I believe
yeah but its v expensive to buy
👍👍
Is steamed edamame different than regular. I can only find steamed ones.
has anyone been able to grow cacao pods? i'm nearing end ofs ummer and my trees still haven't given me the damn pods
It takes 24 days for Cacao to become harvestable normally
I just harvested some today. First Sunday in Summer. Planted in spring.
ugh i'm on summer 26, cutting it close. i don't remember when i planted my trees, hoping it was in very early summer
oh whew they finally fruited on the very last day of summer lol
Does anyone know which goat gives rich goat milk?
they're from the toggenburg goat breed
Thank you!
What is the purpose of Whey? I've tried putting it in the fertilizer spreader and both compost bins but no dice...
Are Raccoons supposed to be able to yoink trees?! I just witnessed one absolutely wreck my cinnamon tree and it's been growing for a while
whey serves no purpose as far as i can tell
i've had trees stolen before while they were still growing so i assume it was a raccon lol
Anyone knows where can I get Mori Soba? Hanako needs it but Naka won't sell me, only Oroshi Soba and Tempura Soba. My cooking skills are zero...
keep checking naka its probably on rotation
Parsa uses it to buff up at the gym. 😛
This is a bug. Trees are meant to be safe from raccoons.
Please report in bugs or directly to the bug report site.
Why does a raccoon stealing a whole tree sound hilarious and I want to see it happen
Omg another Shay! And you’re into ridiculously long gaming binges too!
(this is why i display photos in compact mode because it confused me the first time i noticed lol)
I really, really wanted to make some for him after that conversation. 😔
I take it we can't make pumpkin spice drink for Stephanie either? 😔
sadly. no. I've fixed that scene so you get a recipe that you CAN cook, but it needs to be localized first so it won't be fixed for awhile.
Oh, okay. 😔 Thank you for the eventual recipe though! 
Also, Baked Mac and Cheese is a cultural staple. 😋 Thank you for that bit of dialog, it made me feel gooey. 
not a game related question, hope you don't mind but, does anyone know if i can somehow get a view of all threads i've opened? i want to check if some of them got resolved with this update, 😐
If you "followed" them they should be on the side bar
only 5 are pinned, the rest are omitted 😐
idk if discord has limits on it tbh
at least web discord has
Do you mean in #1250882189302825031 ?
yes
LOOOOOL
You can search messages from you in that channel, but it shows everything so you kinda have to filter through it. Showing 9 pages of stuff for me, but if you'd like I can go through and find which threads are all different
yeah that's what i do i hoped there's an easier way, 9 pages for me also 🤣
I can ping you on each thread you posted if you'd like XD
haha 🤣 no i'll look through those 9 pages then. thanks
Np
Sorry I can't think of an easier way. The forum type of channels are new-ish to me
seems like you can't even filter out closed posts >.> maybe i should start deleting resolved stuff?
we'd certainly appreciate it. Will make it easier on the mod and dev teams, too.
Did the post listings that you created disappear in the list on the left of Discord? Cause mine does not display anymore either.
i only see 4 right now, but i should have like... 10 or so... dunno exactly. it doesn't only list the items i posted, but also the ones i commented
so basically only a very small fraction of what i "follow"
I only have the one post that I created and it does not display anymore. And only 3 out of many follows displays at all.
yeah. expand/collapse'd help... maybe we should start making suggesetions to discord now 🤣 at least i understand now why they moved with bug reports to a different platform
does anyone know if we have another platform for suggestions as well?
How do you expand/collapse it? I see no such option when I right-click on a channel.
if they HAD something like this it would help
they don#t
aha, dangit 
Is anyone else experiencing mouse lag since the new update?
Where specifically, so I can check?
Just in general, like a delay in my character turning, delay on the mouse movement and clicks on the phone
I wanna say yes it seems to the character turning... but definitely not to clicking on the phone.
The phone might be a one-off actually. I had clicked Stephanie on the contacts list and it brought up Chiyo
But is working fine now. The character delay is annoying
That sometimes happen to me too, but very rarely. I always just think that I mis-clicked. I'll keep an eye out.
Are the water troughs for chickens somehow buggy? My chickens have thirsty status all day even though the water troughs are full?
two questions... are you using the right water through? large and medium don't work you need the small one
and second, when do you go to sleep? i noticed that when you go to bed early, animals won't eat/drink automatically, you need to actually wait it out,
I use small Animal Waterer.
ok and when do you go to sleep?
(in game of course)
On most days around 10 to 11 pm. One has now drunk. The rest roam around thirstily and aimlessly
okay but if one has drunk they at least have physical access to it 🤔 ok then it's probably a new bug, please report it
i don't think that's new (at least for me) it seems like some animals just refuse to drink water (relatable)
mhmm... maybe i'm switching something up. i've experienced bunnies not eating. but the rest i can't remember 🤔
oh and cats are neither eating nor drinking.
but my chickens are in max happyness i think, so i assume they're eating and drinking.
I wrote it in the bug section.
There’s no way to remove plants in planter boxes right? Just have to delete the whole thing and place a new one?
i mean you can wait till it dies. 🤔 besides that, i think no.
hm. I guess there isn't, no 😂 With the stuff in the ground you just fill in the hole. We'll have to look at adding that option, huh? 😂
while you're added please make the plants collidable 😛
Am I doing something wrong with these? It sounds like they’re working but nothing ever gets made
What do you mean exactly?
Also I just learned how to make charcoal! 🫣
clicky the button on the handle
Omg ty
like that you shouldn't be able to run through them. especially trees.
and that you, ideally, can place furnitre like lights on grown trees
I'm so glad I can run through my trees
Ahh. You want full collision on plants. I'm sorry to tell you that won't ever happen.
Collision is HEAVY to calculate. If we add it to plants, we will have to limit how many plants you can have on the farm with max probably being somewhere around 50.
We had collision in the beginning, but it's not scalable.
but... wouldn't it be the same for normal trees? because they DO collide
and you have way more then you'd ever have on your farm normally i think.
Unfortunately, no. They use completely different systems.
interesting... well i guess it can't be helped then, i hope you could use at least low-mesh colliders to ease calculations but yeah, if it has been thought through already, shame >.<
You can ask people who played Alpha, plants did have collision. You think performance is bad now 
i don't really get why plantable trees can't have the same collision logic with cuttable trees though but i trust the devs on that ^_^
Look at it this way: They look like trees, but they're entirely different objects. In fact, there are 5 different "types" of tree across the map. Every tree you see out in the world has anywhere from 3 - 4 different variations, and they're all placed through Unreal's Foliage system. The trees on your farm don't use foliage, so they operate entirely off of blueprints. Loading, saving, progression, the entire thing is custom. It may look like a tree, but it's not a "tree" in the same way the rest of the trees in the world are.
The tree on the left is a "world tree" the tree on the right.. well it isn't even a tree until I run the game.
and i assume foliage is highly optimized and those optimizations cannot be used on custom meshs... while foliage is not able to interact in the way that normal objects do huh? like for example you'd not be able to water it. because you can't attach custom triggers and events on them?
exactly
But even more so, the item in game isn't actually a "tree". It's more like... a projection. The actual item you're modifying is the plot itself.
And the plot, when you plant a seed, gets edited to project different plants.
Alright, I think we've clogged up quick questions enough for today 😂
Sorry y'all! Carry on!
So are you saying that the food that the MC is making is not food at all but more a projection of molecules that take the shape of the food that the MC is thinking of?🤔🤯
🤣 yeah sorry, i shouldn't dig in too much, my developer mind is raging already with like 500 follow up questions 🤣
I can't tell if you're joking or not. 😂
Sometimes it's best not to look behind the curtain 😛 (Definitely joking.)
okay sorry i need to ask because it makes me nuts...
it's generally possible to intantiate foliage to runtime right? so... if the plot is doing all the magic, why not instead of having a projection, have a foliage tree instance then? 🤔
or can we continue somewhere more appropriate for this question to not bother people?
maybe make a thread in #1250881928668778659
#1258893930481848391
i just hope you're not bothered too much >.<
So, before adding the voucher I didn't have enough to order all this, but now that I've added the voucher I do. Still can't hit order though.
I thought i saw somewhere else that someone said if you put the voucher in (even if you don't use it) and try to use it for your order another day it counts as being used, so should i just take a few things out so i can make sure to order it today with the voucher?
Yeah removing a few items worked
I wish I could progress the story quests rn, I really want to see || the other farm plot options 👀😩 ||
HI HI!!! No not binges lol. FF14 introduced a Capybara mount and I was waiting/helping spawn the big boss to get the items needed. But some weedle-headed players instapulled it while I was burping my son and I didn't get to tag it as well as I should have. Had to stay up for another like 10 hours to get another chance. I slept so hard after that I strained my back and can barely move today lmao.
Okay I'll be honest... there were points that their questions were being responded to and I would literally think... I didn't ask that question XD
I'm back to ask why chickens are just infinetely pissed... I'm at a loss of what to do. I'm not getting eggs anymore and I'm almost to the point of stuffing each of these muthercluckers into a tiny coop at the corner of the farm and buying new ones lmao
I've noticed its like 4 in game days and none of the water or feed has been consumed. I've moved the feeders and waterers and still nothing. They don't display that they are hungry or thirsty just out for blood apparently.
What about clean bedding?
bedding is clean
They get daily pets, clean bedding every day because I can't figure out why they are pissed 24/7. The ducks too. The area is fenced with more than enough room so I know if wildlife is a problem, it shouldn't be because of the fences.
Then I'm with ya on stuffing them into a corner for now. Then maybe buy one in a new coop to see if the same happens. Also what about deleting those feeders and making new ones?
I can't even buy a duck. Whenever I buy one and choose the duck house, it says it will be brought. The next day there is no duck 🥺 Am I doing something wrong?
I'm right there with ya on the animals. I've done anything and everything to make them happy and decided to just ignore it until they get an attitude adjustment from the dev team 🤣
I'm also suddenly having the issue where sheltered pet beds say unsheltered. I've also done all troubleshooting steps I've found in the discord. Instead of my dogs bed becoming sheltered again my cats bed now says the same 😭 they're both in the starter home so I know darn well those babies are cozy!
I will patiently wait with grumpy chimkens.
(I also thought Shay and Shay were the same and was very confused when the name colour kept switching along with the PFP.
)
Is farm 4 the farm blocked by the bamboo?
From patch notes:
Expanded blockers to Farm 4 area. (Stop trying to break in, you heathens ^_^ )
That's what I was referencing ^^
is this better
haha
haha, noo don't feel like you need to change your name on this server! now that I know there are multiple Shays it's all good with me. be who you want to be!
i actually like this better i think 😅
plus, now @raven jacinth won't be confused either 😂
I don't think I ever would've noticed, but I thiiiink I've only really been semi-active when Shay 2 was, mostly
So i made the mistake of hitting “ask if you need anything” (never again I stg) and my bf wants a GOURMET Chicken Burger.
My cooking skill is like level 5 LOL
Does Naka by chance ever sell them?
I have not noticed that anywhere, but same. Sebastian wanted steamed pork buns and I checked everywhere and I guess maybe it unlocks later or something, but that was the first week so never again, at least not till I've progressed enough to be able to obtain practically anything fairly easily
These shouldn't be on the list any more. 😂
Oh it was like 2 days ago I just didn’t care until today
o0o0o
welp
😂
Doomed to disappoint our 2d bfs lol
I took the crazier recipes off of the list. They shoulnd't be asking for that kind of stuff anymore
I dont see it in the list
LOL
But if I do ask if someone needs anything, can they still ask for stuff I might not know how to get or will it be obtainable at whatever level/skill we're currently at
nothing in the request list is currently tied so skills or abilities, no.
Finally I can make people happy through my love language of gift giving XD
I know it's right in front of me 😭 How do we display plushies? I have the lil guy in my hands but have no options to put them on any of the shelves in my little abode.
you need to build "displays"
there are two of them: wall mounted, and flat.
Oh, you can display them. I was kinda thinking they'd just be gifts
Although, my irl bf said put them in the fridge/freezer
So I did
I mean, you can do that too 😂
Ahhh thank you so much!
hmm. the smaller feeder and waterererer. when bought from Gabe are they meant to give you blueprints? 
I have purchased both (from Gabe at the farmer's market, if that makes any difference) but I do not appear to have any blueprints to place them with.
I have built the chook coop as well.
I cannot delete or move my modern house or barn does anyone know why?
ah hah, I have figured it out. I hadn't triggered the cut scene with Gabe to unlock them yet. this is now sorted!
do you have “select/destroy buildings” selected in the drone menu?
yes, and it wont let me regardless. even when trying to just select it to move it, I can't. it is just stuck.
hmm i’m not sure :( you could make a post in #1250882926271528970 with a screenshot attached and somebody will be able to help! i’m sorry it’s stuck ☹️
The small house blueprint was supposed to auto place with this most recent update, if you've already done the tea house, right?
Where is it meant to go.. because maybe I already build where it's supposed to be, idk
you can build it anywhere you want, you just get a blueprint
Thank you ❤️
Oh, I misread. Just went back and checked lol. Thank you
you’re welcome! i’m sorry i couldn’t be more help, i haven’t been able to get much playtime in myself
Did you notice this happened after fulfilling the Egg Monger trait in the Ranching Skill Tree? I'm having this same issue with my chickens and ducks -> https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1257546222965751809
bees.. do flowers need to be in bloom around them, or is the plant enough? (I have a feeling they need to be in bloom - and I just went and picked them all.
)
so the sunnyseed voucher didn't work, took the same total before the discount lol does it only work if you add the code before adding the items?
i did mine after adding all my items and it worked for me 😦
booo, lol I just removed two extra coffee cherries haha
ok.. not a big deal, but baffling... I've had these rabbits for about a year (in game time), and they are always hungry and thirsty. They have plenty of food and water that always says Full when I try to fill them. I do still get wool from them, and all that good stuff, but they're never happy, and always hungry and thirsty. (and the feeders/waterers never empty)
my chickens and ducks have never eaten either, but at least they're happy 😛
Most likely the feeders are too close to the fence, try lining them up directly down the center with a good aboumt of space between them.
https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1258871962667716669 potentially also impacting now?
There's somethin weird going on with my Quail homes. I use 2 small ones for them (the medium one was too hard to get in position to change the bedding) and I've never had to change their bedding but also they have given me eggs like once in the 2 seasons i've had them lol
Feeders still need ample space
right, but the feeders/waterers for smaller animals are now potentially impacted by the change, meaning they don't work any more.
oh, okay. I haven't logged into the game yet, and that was supposedly fixed since it didn't work for chickens...still doesn't work 😢
||I've seen people say you get goji berries and Wasabi through an elevator at the end of the second cave, but I've done mostly all the cave quests (down to the end of the lava cave) and never noticed any elevator, only had sparky ask if I want to go down to the next cave. Since I've been through it, there's nothing to mark where I should go so could someone point it out to me on the map please?||
||from what I have read, and it is scattered elsewhere in the server yet I cannot find it, just woke up, is that there are elevators situated close to the bosses. Think of message tubes that some banks use, only strictly vertical||
Thank you. ||I'm gonna have a rough time finding the boss room again, but hopefully the elevator sticks out to me this time||
i'm gonna double check rn but i think you can ||follow the white tube||
double checked -- ||if you follow the white power tube past the boss room it leads to the elevator||
Thank you
||I figured it's straight to the bottom of the map, but also referenced a video playthrough of where the quest is marked cause I'm directionally challenged lol. Saw your comment just as I was getting there so it made the elevator stick out like a sore thumb||
||Goji berries are meant to be here too, right? I see the Wasabi and everything else but that, and I even have it so the names pop up||
Oh wait, I found the thread where they mentioned it again ||Fourth cave||
Uuugh so I spent all day making a stupid sandwich for the || harvest feast || and didn’t end up getting there until like 15:00.
Did I miss out on the || Drone race? || I completely forgot about it until Hiro mentioned it here
Hello
I had the loading issue so i left the game for a while
I came back
Slept a day
And now Im tryin to enter deep cave
Its been 5 mins so far
Is that issue fixed or not yet?
#1256728612250583111 check the pinned message there.
I haven't had any issues with it, are you sure you completed the quest needed to get deeper in the mines? || You took Sparky to be repaired by Hiro and waited a few days then got Sparky back from him, right? ||
Does anyone have a guide for the route you need to take for the || Lush Cave? I went out of order in the first one and thought I'd ruined my progression for a while, I don't wanna do that again 😭 ||
Yea i did it
@keen canopy Did you try raising your "Camera Sensitivity" in the "Input" settings? It makes the Character turning a bit more snappy.
I mean i didn’t change it since Thursday 🧐
Worked for me. Maybe the update reset it.
Oooo good point! Lemme try that, thanks!
Why are there || sooo few WATER moves that are multi-shot?? 😭 ||
Just checking, are Naka's Friday hours supposed to be so..........different?
I mean I think they make sense if they're going to be open everyday instead of closing at some point during the week or for the weekend
Tbh, they remind me of the Chinese store hours lol
Ok ok, just checkin
Are these just like not added to the game yet i take it?
Quick question; I apparently solved world hunger because when I cook, the ingredients are not used and I have now over 100 slices from a single bread. I couldn't find anything in bug reports at a quick glance, is this a known issue?
https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1253933599535923277 i think this is what you're looking for
if you want to add on what you experienced
The speed at which problems are solved here never ceases to amaze thanks a lot
we try really hard 
Can I leave my unsold items from the farmer's market in their storage? I dont feel like lugging all of them back to the farm 😱
don’t do it
They’ll go away
What exactly are the circular caches (in the desert climate) in the patch notes? I just want to make sure, cuz I thought I knew what it was and checked it out after updating, but there wasn't a change to the thing I found that I could see.
i think skill itself is working, but item required is bugged, you can use my mod to unlock it (https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1256580658554470500) you can uninstall if after you unlock a skill if you dont want entire tree to be sticks, game will remember unlocked skills only requirements will change back
i think i've seen someone mention about beehives/apiaries before but couldn't recall, ||are we able to move beehives/apiaries between farms? if we were to destroy it, we will need to buy the queen bees again right||
Also curious about the broken appliances for the food crafting machines you can get refurbished from Kyle, I unlocked something in the skill tree for it, but can't find the broken ones at Saiyatek or the Shady Seller. Are they not available, or am I missing something else? x.x
|| i stg the ONLY time i need something from Naka is on a Friday morning-noonish 😡 ||
i noticed that earlier too and was like "mmm....do I have to tell them? 👀
I'd planned to buy recipes from them because my cooking leveled up (to three!), but I still couldn't buy anything, LOL.
(i was totally gonna, swear. i got a whole note going of bugs to post)
ALSO, I cooked and my ingredients were used.
I just did it this morning (7/6). On Beta Branch.
I made a cheese sandwich and some veggie sandwiches.
you have to go buy them from || the appliance store in higashi! ||
They're saying that the appliances weren't there.
|| Did you already craft the Drying Rack you can learn from the mechanic's? ||
i was in the caves aaaall night and now i cant think straight or read i guess LOL
xP
All good
I wonder if maybe there's a thing/tutorial I still need to see or something
I had a one steal sugarcane.
only one I know about, since I put up fences immediately after
Ok so go to the Mechanic’s and go to services, then order the Drying Rack if you haven’t,
|| then you’ll get it and use it and go from there to unlock the “broken” items for those other things in services ||
|| Just have to bring your own:
Hardwood Planks
Glass
Solar sheet & cherry cake mini computer (from tech hiro)
And air hoses from the mechanic ||
Yep! I've already leveled up the skill and upgraded the first item in the skill tree for it. Which is why I was surprised I couldn't find the broken things in the shop.
Oh ok what the heck 😭
xD yeah
lemme look into it
|| So you went to the skill tree and used the peppermint leaves to unlock the level 4 part (just making sure im getting this right) ||
.3. that is correct
OH! are you in-game currently
Not at the moment, but I can be .3.
try loading your save instead of continuing
and see if the stock resets
im booting mine up real quick to check my compeleted quests to see if there was another step im forgetting lol
Oh .o. I've been loading my save every time I play, I kinda forgot the continue button existed xD (though it happened during a single sitting of playing, so I'll still give it a go!)
Ok let me know!
In regards to the cooking: I figured out that the cutting board is the only thing where it happens for me and it is known in bug threads
The ONLY other thing I could think is , have you been on a “hang out” with Kyle? Some progression stuff is based on hangouts so maybe he needs to tell you about going to buy the broken things idk 😭
I have, been fishing with him and some place else I forget
|| Do you have him asking you to visit the shop twice in texts? I don’t remember what they were about but if not maybe that’s it |.
Nope! Just the once for the ||fishing rod|| Imma guess that the second time is either for the thing I need xD Or the other ||vehicle types||
Also, I checked both Saiyatek and the shady seller just in case. Neither have the things T^T
Can also confirm that I'm on the current patch xD In case that was a question
Yeah I’m not sure 😭 I didn’t get into the food crafting until year 2 and I’d already bought all the vehicles and stuff
Hopefully it just happens naturally soon or someone else can help!
But the storage looks so friendly... Like the cache I have back in my farm...
i mean if you don't want your stuff back go for it
but as a loot goblin i cannot recommend
Hopefully!! Thanks for trying tho ^w^ I do appreciate it ♥
Where do I find ||chestnuts||?
UPDATE: we don't get the queen bee back when destroying the beehive, thought it'd be in global cache 😢 ||might have to redo the beehives again in the new farm||
you can find them under the ||big trees along the side of the road towards oaken waters||
Yep!
I cant buy animals the same day i build them?
They come the next day. 
Thats not the problem:(
I built an small modern barn and now when Im tryin to buy animals it says i dont have their house or something like this
Did you build animal beds inside the barn? You need to assign them sleeping spots. To do that, they need animal beds. You can build them while on your farm.
You should already have the blueprint. You have to build them from raw materials.
They’re like 3 softwood planks and 1 straw each
Thank u guys
Hello can anyone help me? I built this milking station but my animals don't go in it as you can see in the photo. Is there a solution please?
try it again maybe... or move it around. i had that once as well but the second time everything went fine... i also had a glitch once where my player was rotating but that also only happened once.
if it happens in a regular fashion, then please report a bug at rainybugs
I have already moved but it does the same of course I move and start my game again without saving but thanks anyway
make sure to report stuff like that if it happens and proivide as much details as you can, the devs here are very eager to fix stuff and put in a lot of work
Hi!! Anyone can direct me to where I can find a cheesy veggie burger? Is it a recipe or somewhere I can find in any of the locations? I need it for Ryan. 
That sounds like a recipe.... I haven't seen it in any stores.
I haven’t seen it in stores either. But I eventually got the recipe on the skill tree.
Continue up the skill tree and you will get it.
Okay thank you!! 
Will seeds sown on the last day of a month it does not survive get a headstart the next day?
In other words, if I plant seeds on the 28th, will they survive and grow a day earlier than if I planted them on the 1st?
Yep!
wait
lemme actually read that
i noticed plants dying immediatly after planting though...
so if you want to plan it at the end of the season, it needs to be able to at least GROW in that season
but also you have to watch the amount of days until it harvests
if you can't harvest it in that season its growing in, and you plant it too early and it harvests before the next season, it just grows to full harvest stage but dies instead of getting to harvest
having trouble typing today apparently, as well as using the brain
so hopefully that makes sense
Oh maybe I should make a guide after my plants go into winter
Okay
Also, if you want a easy like shopping-list of things you can plant at the beginning of the month and they for sure will grow & be harvested in that season, i made a list for that https://discord.com/channels/676857688998674471/1253793270006415482
so if something would die in the winter, you can't grow on the 28th for an early spring
but if it can grow in the winter it just grows like normal
gotcha
right
Thanks, that was my question!
but if it can grow in winter but not be harvested, it will wilt
like say it takes 9 days to grow, you don't want it to have 9 days to grow in winter because once it hits harvest stage if its winter it will just die, even if its the day before spring
which is why i gave up on non-tree crops immediately 🙃
Well, if you let it grow for 5 days in winter, it should make it to spring right? Cause it won't fruit before then? 
right if its the last 5 days of winter you'd be good
math is hard so i usually give them a couple extra days to be safe (like growing it 5 days before spring when it takes 9 days like we're talking about in this situation)
That's what I thought. Just gotta know how long something takes to grow and then follow the calendar
yes. have fun doing that with over 100 crops 😅
Yep. I've written mine on paper lol
Yeah. Pretty much what I'm doing lol
i made my list and then gave up entirely LOL
im just now (in winter year 2) starting to try and set up some regular crop areas 😅
Because if I'm already looking up how many days they need to grow, the plot and season, might as well put a note: end of x-season here
i grew all the trees and the occasional crop i needed for quests/skill stuff while just ordering aaaaaall the seeds for like a year and a half (i have an insane hoarding situation rn)
Every time I plant something I have to look it up all over again, so that's how I know I'm going to stay in top of it anyway lol
Hoarding 🤝
i spent pretty much the 1st year just turning the upper small area of the farm into my storage sheds area and i am so freaking proud/obsessed with it
Afaik, nothing can grow within 4 days so that always seems like a safe time to plant at the end of season. 
Oh I expect to see your post in #1250883267486289980 after I make my own post and venture in lol
I don't want to subconsciously be influenced by someone's design so I'm avoiding it for the most part 
