Candy (spicy, fresh, salty) effects

[hardy notch]

are those the effective ones

[solemn sable]

From what I know, yes

[hardy notch]

excellent, ty

[ocean dragon]

Thanks for making this a thread

[mossy sable]

Sounds like mint mace is garbage now unu

[solemn sable]

Mint mace has Fresh built in, unlike all other weapons

So against anything weak against fresh, level 0 mint mace should tear through them

[mossy sable]

hmmmmm

[solemn sable]

Was confirmed that you cannot upgrade mint mace to be spicy or a different augment, though

[hardy notch]

can you make mint mace extra fresh

[solemn sable]

You can just upgrade it to 7 as Mighty afaik

[ocean dragon]

Stink bug being the only thing to take extra from fresh seems like a mace nerf

[mossy sable]

beetle too

[hardy notch]

armored bugs dont like salty or smashing

[ocean dragon]

Ah missed that ty

[solemn sable]

I think fresh is against one's with auras or a stink/toxin theme

[hardy notch]

but I'm not sure which weapon does what type of damage

[solemn sable]

We don't know if the anti-fresh list will fill out either. It may be intentionally small at this point

[hardy notch]

Spear - Stabbing
Axe -Chopping
Hammer/Mace - Smashing

is that right

[solemn sable]

Same. There are small icons but I can't really tell without looking it up in the patch notes

It was in the original PTS patch notes

[oblique cosmos]

With my level 7 salty demon club I can kill an antlion with three swings with the critical hit mutation activated

[untold scarab]

There's a critical hit mutation? How get?

[hasty mist]

Secret cave in the southeast flooded zone

It increases chance of critical hit, useful but not predictable.

[desert bramble]

What does bow dmg count as (stabbing,smashing,etc)

[hardy notch]

Is there anything effective against the bots

[solemn sable]

Yeah, with my 7 salt crossbow you're very close to getting an antlion in 3 shots without marksman cap, smoothies, or criticals. So seems like any level 7 salt weapon could melt antlions with a decent setup and perks

The theme seems to be:

• Armored (antlion, roly poly) is weak against salt
• Toxic/aura (stinkbugs, bombadiers) is weak against fresh
• Spiders/light enemies are weak against spicy

[ocean dragon]

I think ima go lvl 7 spicy spider bow and lvl 7 salt crossbow

[solemn sable]

@quiet root had some pretty crazy sceenrecordings of a 7 spicy bow and marksman setup shredding through orb weavers

I've put spicy 7 on my greatsword and it looks like similar results -- I think the intent is that you can kill nearly any enemy with their weakness at level 7 in 3 - 5 hits depending on how you're setup (3 if maxing damage, 5 if just using base)

[ocean dragon]

I know lol i was there chatting when they posted it

[solemn sable]

Lol

[ocean dragon]

I haven't killed the broodmother or the lions yet

My best weapon is +5 skeeter

[solemn sable]

I'm tearing through antlions with salty crossbow:
https://gfycat.com/halfvigilantgannet

[ocean dragon]

That's pretty good

What is a "generic" weapon?

[eager lagoon]

are swords chopping damage?

[ocean dragon]

Think that's access

Axes*

[hardy notch]

does ant-nihilator affect ant lions

[solemn sable]

Not as far as I know. I can check but I doubt it would

[hardy notch]

i can dream

[mossy sable]

antlions are not ants, its just their name C:

[solemn sable]

Similar to ant-eaters, etc lol

[hardy notch]

I know, i was just hoping lol

[ocean dragon]

Y'all think there gonna clarify weapon types and "generic" weapons?

[quiet root]

I’m pretty sure it’s just clubs basically

Yah guys I tested this on creative so it may change or be different on regular. To test I basically made a salty, spicy, and fresh club and tried it on every monster. Those should be good. It’s really hard to test the chopping, smashing, stabbing, and generic but it seemed to be the case. Might have to double check those.

[quiet root]

Yah you got the aphid slippers too? Honestly feels like a god playing with that setup. My favorite for sure

[quiet root]

It feels like it’s definitely not worth putting fresh on the great-sword or brood mother club. Basically the same thing

[solemn sable]

I've been hanging out in the sandbox more or less the whole time -- I've wanted to try the same bow setup but so far have to keep antlion gear on and go with a salt crossbow otherwise I die instantly in the sandbox lol. You should post your videos here in the thread to show spicy against spiders 👍

[quiet root]

Yah makes a lot of sense I like that setup a lot actually. It’s good since you already have to wear the Antlion gear regardless

I think bombs are pretty nice against antlions. I usually use that to kill them for the first time to get into the salt cave

Pit acts like a funnel it’s hard to miss

[ocean dragon]

How many bombs does it take to kill one?

[quiet root]

I think 6. Not sure if there’s any buffs to decrease that number

[ocean dragon]

Do you think i can kill a lion with just a +5 bow?

[hasty mist]

+5 insect hammer & ladybug armor (at night) also worked as long as I didn’t end up fighting more than one ant lion at a time. After upgrading to roly poly armor I was able to fight multiple ant lions with the +5 insect hammer and walk away reasonably intact. Definitely better setups available, but this was a workable option you can achieve fairly early in the game.

[ocean dragon]

Seems reasonable. I have +5 skeeter and +5 spider bow so hopefully i can kill at least one so i can start harvesting some spicy/salt chunks

[ocean dragon]

@quiet root @solemn sable do either of you mind testing your weapons against the broodmother? Also, do either of you know if gas arrows damage are affected by bow level?

[solemn sable]

Gas doesn't seem to do more damage from a 7 salt crossbow

I can try my spicy greatsword against the BM late tonight, though

[ocean dragon]

I know I've asked this a million times, but you think a spicy rapier is gonna compete against a sword?

I put it up to +5, but I'm trying to figure out if i should swap to the black ant sword to see if a spicy sword is gonna be better against wolves vs a spicy rapier

[quiet root]

Spicy broodmother club is the best against her from what I’ve tested. She seams to be weak against spicy for sure

Idk as far as damage. I would use spicy rapier for quick heals against ants and lesser insects. I put fresh on my ant sword for bombardier beetles and use for chopping grass. It’s a better version of the insect axe but it cant destroy the grass roots like the axe can.

I’ve also seems like the text on the upgrades is wrong or not working correctly. The quartzite globs don’t actually increase the damage by an extra 5%

[ocean dragon]

So, a spicy rapier wouldn't be as good against a wolf as a spicy black ant sword?

[quiet root]

Haven’t tested really but I probably wouldn’t use either to fight wolf spiders. Since it costs like 75 Candy pieces to make lvl 7 stuff I’d lean towards spicy rapier first because it has the healing effect and can be useful in other situations

[ocean dragon]

Hmm. Guess I'll upgrade an ant club then cause i don't think I'm good enough to beat broodmother for hers

[quiet root]

Spicy insect bow is the best thing I’ve used against wolfs so far

[ocean dragon]

I gotta kill the lions and i was gonna use a salt bow to beat them

[quiet root]

Once the full update comes out and I go back to my main save this is what I plan on using my different candys on first

Yah salt cross bow is great

[ocean dragon]

I'm using my main save in pts. Hopefully i wont have to start over

Ngl, i might cry and quit if i gotta start all the way over

[quiet root]

You can try the spicy antlion greatsword against the broodmother I’m sure it’s good.

[ocean dragon]

How do i beat an antlion before i get the salt is my main problem

[quiet root]

You know where the salt cave is right?

[ocean dragon]

No.

[solemn sable]

You can farm salt on the picnic table, but not much. You'd need to kill about 3 antlions to get through the salt caves and net about 40-50 salt

[quiet root]

I’d make 6 splatbursts and get into the salt cave

[solemn sable]

There are two mobile antlions inside the salt caves though, beyond the stationary one you have to take out to get in. Just be warned lol

[quiet root]

Do antlions spawn in the salt cave? Only play on creative and they haven’t been

[ocean dragon]

Just throw 6 bombs into the hole?

[solemn sable]

They're burrowing inside every time I go there, always two inside

[quiet root]

Ah answered my question as I was typing

Can you just avoid them or nah?

[solemn sable]

I've never been able to. The caves are too tight and their aggo radius is pretty large, they come at you if you're within about 40 feet (relative to player in first person lol)

I can avoid them above ground, but never underground. Even if you get chased out, they'll burrow where they lost sight of you which is always the entrance to the cave

[ocean dragon]

So I'm just gonna shoot arrows into the hole and pray for the best

[solemn sable]

You have to at least aggro them lol, otherwise they're burrowed and can't take damage.

You can try to lead them into the wolf spider -- antlions and the wolf spider seem to go hostile against one another easily

[ocean dragon]

Oh that's koo. I'll experiment tonight lol. Save right before the fight. I'll let y'all know how it goes

[solemn sable]

The wolf spider never wins just so you know, and if an antlion aggros then loses interest and burrows you'll see it come back up with full health. Just figured I'd try to give a few pointers, you can't take it out half at a time or anything unfortunately

[ocean dragon]

Damn. Guess my perfect blocks gonna have to be on point

[hardy notch]

I did pretty well against the antlion gatekeepers with a +5 bone trident, black ant shield, and ladybug armor

took a hot minute, but it worked

[ocean dragon]

I've yet to try a spear.

[hardy notch]

Spear is my fave. Good reach and fast. Low stamina cost

[ocean dragon]

What's the +/- for spears vs swords?

[hasty mist]

same, spear is my default weapon, most versatile biome-wise.

[hardy notch]

plus you can still use a shield with it and spears can be used underwater, so it's very versatile

[solemn sable]

Black ant shield is great, I normally main a shield/spear if I'm actually in high stakes melee

[hardy notch]

Yep, same

Tho I've recently taken to a +7 broodmother club with barbarian, meat shield, and ladybug armor

the damage is thicc

[solemn sable]

You can also throw spears which I did a ton in early game but don't feel comfortable doing with upgraded ones lol

[hardy notch]

I accidentally threw my spear into the pond yesterday and I died a little inside until I found it again

Half tempted to re-keybind the huck key to something on the other side of my keyboard

[solemn sable]

Had to remap the throw key because I kept yeeting my bow off high ledges and having no back up weapons 🙄

[hardy notch]

I was being chased by Gojira at the time ;v;

I couldn't stop and look otherwise he would have eaten me

[ocean dragon]

Man, now i gotta try a trident. Is it better than the bee spear?

[hardy notch]

Trident has stun chance, Bee has crit chance

Same damage and speed otherwise

[ocean dragon]

Y'all gonna make me just +5 every season

Weapon*

[hardy notch]

I plan to lol

[hasty mist]

I stole the huck keybinding and made it "swim down" almost never use the huck intentionally and use it way more by accident instead...

[hardy notch]

99% of me using the huck key was entirely unintentional

[ocean dragon]

I'm tired of farming quartzite

[quiet root]

There’s a place in the haze with like 10+ rocks all right next to each other

[ocean dragon]

Gotta map?

I've been using the cave with the mites from the beginning of the game and the larva cave

[hardy notch]

i should prob use that spot too, but oak lab is a lot more convenient to get to uwu

[hasty mist]

You can get eight nodes at the oak lab, just outside the broken window, with no enemies

[thorny nest]

Great list, thanks!

[scarlet pumice]

I feel like antlions resist stabbing. My mosquito needle was barely doing anything to them, and it's +5. Usually, it tears through everything at high speed.

I also believe that Bows count as Generic weapons. The antlions were taking quite a bit of damage from my insect bow with standard thistle arrows.

[scarlet pumice]

So generic includes slashing swords, clubs, and potentially arrows. Should be fun to figure this all out.

[hallow pike]

@solemn sable can you put fresh upgrade on mint mace?

[solemn sable]

No but if you notice, it comes with fresh by default

[hallow pike]

Yeah I know

[solemn sable]

From what we know, it's the only weapon where it has a locked upgrade trajectory > 5 to mighty. You can't put another candy or more fresh on it, you can only use Mighty with it afaik

[hallow pike]

But that would jus be so op

[quiet root]

Not the best but the red circle is where the quartzite are

[solemn sable]

Is there 150 so I can upgrade my sword? Lol

[quiet root]

There is alot all stacked up next to each other. It’s in one of those canyons in the haze. Gotta kill 2 infected larva

[solemn sable]

Pretty steep costs for Mighty over here

[quiet root]

Yeah maybe it’s the most in one area I’ve found. Let me know what the final count comes out to be

[hallow pike]

After the first 6 splats just throw in a few more.

[hallow pike]

@ocean dragon you can also lead them into the cacti.

[hallow pike]

Lol

[hallow pike]

Rip

[ocean dragon]

Took about 25 regular arrows from +5 insect bow to kill a lion.

[ocean dragon]

The +5 rapier is also decent against the lions. It doesn't hit like a club, but it's fast and it feels good to heal

[scarlet pumice]

Huh. Was it one of the pit antlions? They might have different affinities. On my end, the roaming ones only took 10 arrows with the same setup and barely took damage from the needle.

[hasty mist]

Difficulty level might have been different

[scarlet pumice]

That, too. I don't play on Whoa mode. I'm not interested in daily armor and weapon repairs.

[ocean dragon]

I play on medium

No boosts to the bow from mutations either. Naked +5 now with regular arrows takes about 25 arrows from the pit ones. I haven't tried fighting a roaming one with arrows

[boreal birch]

Do the upgrades not work properly in creative

I'm testing an Insect Axe with each level 7 upgrade. So far I tested against a red worker ant, orb weaver, wolf spider, mosquito and stinkbug. Only the red worker ant took more damage from the Mighty axe. The others all took the same number of hits to kill no matter the upgrade path.

[boreal birch]

So I tested a level 7 Ant club with Salty and Spicy on a Wolf Spider. The Salty took 7 hits and the Spicy 6. I'm not sure if using the wrong type of weapon completely negates the upgrade path or if it's a bug. The level 7 Insect Axe both Salty and Spicy took 16 hits to kill a Wolf Spider. I used no mutations, armor or smoothie buffs when testing.

[mossy sable]

Maybe?? I see some bugs use "generic" as weapon so you can use whatever weapon you want as long as it has the right effect i guess? Maybe using the wrong weapon deals ñess damage but the right effect does the opposite? So it doesnt feel different. Thats my guess

A detailed explanation from the devs would be nice

[ocean dragon]

We know that ladybugs take 75% from stabbing and 125% from clubs. I assume every bug is like this

[boreal birch]

I agree but using the same weapon with different upgrades shouldn’t matter. If an axe does 75% base damage vs a specific insect but that insect is weak to Spicy the Spicy axe should do more damage than a non spicy axe. We need a table with the stats for each weapon and upgrade against each insect. Right now I don’t see much difference in most cases. If it’s 6 hits instead of 7 that’s not really that great. I’d rather the right weapon be a 4 or 5 hit kill and the wrong take twice as long so 8 to 10.

[ocean dragon]

Makes sense. I would love raw damage numbers and stats.

[solemn sable]

I'd be curious to see the effects of a level 7 spicy crossbow against antlions to compare.

[solemn sable]

I don't know if it's as strict as we may have initially thought. It may be the case that weaknesses are only a slight bump of damage or extra .5 bars per hit rather than having a significant impact -- on one hand I imagine this would make it easier for casual playthroughs so you aren't punished from using the wrong type, though if the results really are just the difference between a second or two (one more hit) that doesn't feel very gratifying as a game mechanic imo

I'd like to do more testing but I legitimately do not have enough quartzite to create separate versions of the same weapons lol. We might be able to split the difference and have each other test different weapons/variations on the same difficulty here in this thread, though. From my playthroughs:

• Salty crossbow 7 (with marksman perk on) kills antlions in 4 shots, but very nearly 3.
• Spicy greatsword 7 kills wolf spiders in 4 hits, orb weavers in 3

[ocean dragon]

I'm trying to farm some spicy candies to make a spicy greatsword

[solemn sable]

I should have saved my game before committing to the greatsword so that it would be easier to reload and try a different weapon for testing

[ocean dragon]

I guess that makes sense too. Farming 7 mandible suppressant feel good, but farming in general doesn't feel good

[scarlet pumice]

Spicy candies primarily come from that antlion cave, right?

[solemn sable]

You can find one at the NW corner under the blue pail against the corner of the sandbox, one more in the sandcastle subsection surrounding the tower. Then I find them randomly spawning in the caves that aren't the salt cave -- seems to roll between quartz, spicy, and mint

[ocean dragon]

You can find them in the sand with the shovel too sometimes

you'll see a little red poking out

[boreal birch]

Testing in Creative is also a pain. You have to farm Quartzite and the other shards to upgrade. I just want to test stuff without spending hours farming.

I’ll do more testing but it seems the difference between ideal weapon + upgrade vs the same weapon with any other upgrade is very little. I really think it should be a noticeable difference.

[ocean dragon]

Definitely should be a noticeable difference

It would also make having all these different weapons meaningful

[ocean dragon]

Anyone have calcs on broodmom?

[solemn sable]

Planning on doing it tonight and counting hits with 7 spicy greatsword

[ocean dragon]

Thanks

[muted cloak]

Nice

[fallow arch]

Does anyone know how long the spicy shard rock thing takes to spawn back?

[mossy sable]

Every 2 days i think?

[ocean dragon]

So i just farmed enough lions for the sword, but not enough for spicy.

Now I'm about to farm quartzite for +5

[muted cloak]

Do we know the % damage “buff” given to weapons?

If you attack an insect that takes extra damage from it of course

[modest bane]

ok, update just got pushed, can we get a an updated list of candy strengths & weaknesses and the new weapon damage type chart (including what type of damage each weapon does)?

[mossy sable]

This

New damage type: Slashing

[ocean dragon]

Wait, a new pts patch?

Depending on how many shards you need for each arrow, that's real bad

[modest bane]

2 salt for 5 salty arrow, 1 mint and spicy candy for 5 arrows

i'd like some indicator in the tooltip about how they compare to feather arrows given they are supposed to be t3 arrows while feather arrows are t2

[ocean dragon]

Can you pick them back up like feather or 1 time use?

[modest bane]

.... 1 time use and it turns into a feather arrow

[ocean dragon]

They nerfed bows incredibly hard.

[modest bane]

not really

[ocean dragon]

I'm glad i didn't upgrade my bow.

I feel like they did. Not only do you now have to craft your arrows, they're one time use.

[bright loom]

How is it so bad?

Wait all arrows are

[ocean dragon]

All arrows are what?

[bright loom]

One time uae

Use

[modest bane]

after you use an 'elemental' arrow it turns into a feather arrow when you pick it up

[ocean dragon]

All the special ones yes, but putting an element on your bow made all your regular arrows that element.

Which was great

I understand why they did it, but it feels bad (imo)

[modest bane]

before it cost 75 candy to upgrade a bow to level 7 salty/mint/spicy, now 5 arrows costs 1 candy, in the long run its farm more expensive but to start its much much cheaper

[ocean dragon]

So the only thing you can do is use quartzite to get +7?

@solemn sable @quiet root y'all have some more testing to do :P

[modest bane]

getting +7 mighty is the easiest upgrade atm given how abundent quartzite is, ranged weapons can now only be +7 mighty and given that the mint mace already has passive fresh it only makes sense to upgrade it as mighty. also club of the broodmother now uses 2 quartzite globs (20 quartzite) to repair

[solemn sable]

My salty 7 crossbow has reverted ☹️ And no longer does salty damage at all

Unfortunate because that now means that I've essentially wasted all the globs and quartzite on a nerfed weapon, lol. I did a bit of running around with salt arrows -- like venom arrows, they revert back to their base type on creation. I'm not too sure how I feel about that to be honest though I like the diversity of having differently enchanted arrows and making ranged more diverse

[mossy sable]

Thats the price to pay for playing on a test version i guess :C

[solemn sable]

This might actually make testing and figuring out exact numbers much easier though, considering you could just use any bow and compare candy damage via arrows instead of needing at least 25 per to enchant a melee weapon

I'm also curious if the candy enchantments apply a flat damage or is a percentage increase like asked above, but I haven't really been in a position to test

[ocean dragon]

Not a fan of needing globs to repair

Understand that that's the natural progression though.

Also, i still need a club of the mother demon

[solemn sable]

What's the cost in total? Only globs or mixed with quartzite? Presumably the thought behind globs being used to repair is that they'd no longer have a use once you've enchanted a full set of weapons, you'd be in a position where you'd not need to enchant anything else and would never need them any more?

The whole system kind of necessitates the sandbox as a mandatory chokepoint in user progression. I kind of like that but I don't know how it feels coming fresh into a new game instead of being overly-prepared like in my current save

[ocean dragon]

Well, in a new game, you wouldn't even know about needing the sandbox. You'd just upgrade with a smithing station and find out about the rest later

[normal laurel]

Why do they keep nerfing archers?!

We can't have anything!!

[mossy sable]

Well. Now archers can deal all types of candy damage on the same weapon

[normal laurel]

5 feather arrows and candy for a 1 time use?!

It's not fair.

[mossy sable]

WHAT? oh i didnt check the recipes

[solemn sable]

They become feather arrows again on use, so technically the cost is just 2 candy (or 4 if salt, but salt is really abundant)

You spend 5 feather arrows to create 5 enchanted arrows, though

[normal laurel]

Feather arrows are already expensive though. What if we lose them?

[solemn sable]

Which then become feathers again

[normal laurel]

From being flung or falling through the game?

[solemn sable]

I've lost about 180 feather arrows since the beginning of the PTS, lol.

[mossy sable]

But feathers are more common now than ever

[solemn sable]

Despite the fact that I always go and pick them up when I can

[normal laurel]

They aren't really.

Well they are.

[mossy sable]

There are more feathers in the haze and the bench

[solemn sable]

They are, though. There are new spawns for large pieces that net 5 pieces per spawn

[normal laurel]

But they don't give as much.

Cutting a feather down gives you 1-2 now lol. I was like what?

[solemn sable]

There's a large feather constantly spawning in the maze that is the same as a static drop, where it nets about 5 - 7, not a single one

[normal laurel]

Really?

[mossy sable]

Haze feathers yields 5-7 too

[solemn sable]

On the picnic table top, in the maze you'll find a large feather constantly spawning.

[normal laurel]

So let me ask this.

[solemn sable]

I've harvested this one about 5 times since I built a small base on top of the maze

[normal laurel]

When a candy weapon needs repairs, what's the cost?

[solemn sable]

As of the new patch, it's allegedly globs

[normal laurel]

A glob?

Sheesh!!!

[solemn sable]

I haven't checked it myself

Yeah but I do think there's some logic behind that: https://discordapp.com/channels/675491639804035089/895763313491869736/897654103306555402

[mossy sable]

Hope we get more hot chachas boxes somewhere

[solemn sable]

Just found 4 peppers as buried treasure in the sandbox 😎

While being manhandled by antlions now that I don't have a good weapon against them any more

[normal laurel]

This makes sense, might as well make a Lil base over there.

[mossy sable]

i really like the idea of them beeing in the sanbox but they are rare

[mossy sable]

i never find anything! XD

[normal laurel]

I usually go at night lol.

[solemn sable]

You have to stand on the rim during the morning and move the camera left and right, you'll see a bunch of twinkling. It's hard to see without elevation though

[mossy sable]

Do you really need to see the glare from a distance? or can you see them poking the sand?

[normal laurel]

So wait, antlion greatsword or black ant blade with candy paths, and blademaster.

[mossy sable]

antlion

100%

[normal laurel]

Anybody tried the Spiderfang with assassin yet?

[solemn sable]

Yeah yeah, I made a small sandbox base in the NW corner next to the hose and it's a great spot. Has basically every basic resource needed in that little corner except dry grass and sap, and the wolf spider/antlions never cross the small patch of water. I've had some ovens and two dew collectors there and I can sustainably live in the sandbox 24/7 now

Also constructed walls/roofs do nullify sizzle, so manmade shade is just as good as organic shade

[normal laurel]

Absolute MadLad. Me and my crew will be using this. Lol.

[solemn sable]

I think it depends. I never see the chachas sticking out but I will see mints sticking out especially when they're close to the rim. Overall the glint is shown on either, and the trick is to just sit still and slowly move the camera horizontally, you'll see 5+ glints in the distance each day

Also, you can get crow feathers inside caches of buried treasure. So you can get 10 crow feathers from digging up buried treasure the same as the above

[normal laurel]

Hmmm. 🤔

[mossy sable]

Time to dig!

[ocean dragon]

Thought you had a +7 sword?

[solemn sable]

Yeah but it's spicy and I really dislike being close to them lol. I'd rather not be near them because they hit like trucks

I'm an old person and I'm not here for the thrill of fast reaction times 😏 I'm here to outsmart a bunch of dumb insects at my own pace

[solemn sable]

Really recommend checking out rapid reload on antlion armor if you haven't already:
https://gfycat.com/halfvigilantgannet

[normal laurel]

Where you the one that made this?

[solemn sable]

Yeah but this is with a salty crossbow sometime last week. Same bow now takes at least 5 shots because it no longer has salty damage (despite still being called a salty crossbow)

[normal laurel]

Because I talked to this person in the Reddit. He showed and told me about the blant ant sword before the chopping nerf lol.

[solemn sable]

Yes lol

I'm u/PortablePawnShop on reddit

[normal laurel]

I'm TheDavidOnlyBand lol.

[solemn sable]

Oh lol, small world

[normal laurel]

Good to know lol, I've since switched from crossbow to insect bow again.

Solely for the fact that I can block in time and be more mobile.

And can proc sharpshooter more often, at least I feel like it.

[solemn sable]

I grew to love the crossbow for one-shot kills but this was mostly before the PTS and weapon upgrades, which I think no longer applies nearly as much now that the power ceiling of each has gone up. I do think there's a bit of an economy issue with ranged weapons now though since you can't have a flat candy augment, it means that if you ever do decide to deal candy damage, it's a very expensive and one-time use investment

Even if I shoot and miss a candy arrow, it still reverts to feather on falling. So every shot counts, and it necessitates that you use feather arrows instead of normal ones (which is always an issue for me because my arrows are constantly flug in the distance or clip beneath ground)

[ocean dragon]

I think this would be fine if the arrows weren't so expensive, but it feels like a real bother now to be a ranged player

I've been mixing up my play styles, but i don't think I'll ever make candy arrows

[solemn sable]

I wonder if there was a particular calculation they did to compare between, like how it's 25 shards to create a level 6 weapon which is only enough for 40 salt arrows. 40 hits of any weapon presumably is enough to dent the durability a noticeable amount, so I wonder if 40 shots/swings is comparable. Even though the ranged candy use is always temporary, it may actually be cheaper than using 2 globs per repair on the same amount of shots/swings (crossbow only takes 2 silk to repair, insect bow takes 2 web)

[ocean dragon]

Yea. Hadn't thought of that.

Now I'm really glad i didn't spicy my bow

[solemn sable]

It still necessitates feather arrows which is kind of a pain and doubly so (for feathers, quartzite and candy of any kind) on multiplayer, but it may actually be cheaper to use ranged in the long run than it initially seems as long as you can reasonably keep a majority of arrows throughout instead of lose them

[normal laurel]

This is true. It's expensive. As all hell.

[normal laurel]

I will not be making them. It's not worth it. Just like how I don't make venom arrows, it doesn't justify having to kill a wolf spider for that meager damage it outputs.

[solemn sable]

Salty Crossbow was amazing while it lasted, though.

[normal laurel]

And that's the big problem, I wouldn't mind feather arrows if they didn't get lost so often, what way would they counter the hurt of losing such expensive arrows?

[ocean dragon]

I would test some, but i keep crashing when i save

That's the risk of being ranged imo.

Losing your arrows vs losing your life

[solemn sable]

Yeah, I think this is the tradeoff. If there were no downside to range then it'd be hard to really sell players on why they should be using anything other than ranged. Generally ranged in games always has some explicit downside considering you're far away enough from any enemy that you don't need to worry about (or prepare for) the same risks

[ocean dragon]

I really like that lions fling your arrows everywhere when they fling the ants dead bodies.

[normal laurel]

The downside is no defense. We can't block. Can't outrun anything unless it's set up perfectly.

[ocean dragon]

Archers kite

[normal laurel]

If we had a defensive maneuver it'd be even.

Kiting is ok, but we still get mauled the easiest.

Give us a slide or something.

[solemn sable]

I tend to sprint backwards and find I can outrun most things while still firing 😏

[normal laurel]

You can't fight a wolf spider or a antlion or even black soldier ants with just a bow.

You have to block.

[solemn sable]

But I think it definitely depends on what

[normal laurel]

In an anthill, against bees, wolf spiders, any spider, Antlions we get destroyed because they're all fast.

[solemn sable]

Like in that screenrecording I posted, though? I sprint backwards, the antlion can't move as quickly when chasing unless burrowed. As long as you're sprinting, their burrow up attack usually misses (and even then I still jump)

They miss me in the screen recording

The last shot is after their attack

[normal laurel]

Sprint backwards?

[solemn sable]

But I get your point and agree

[normal laurel]

Ok, well that removes the antlions lol.

[solemn sable]

Yeah, you can press Shift and move backwards to continue sprinting

If you sprint forward then do a 180 while continuing to move, you'll still be sprinting while moving backwards

[normal laurel]

If they just made it a mutation like a slide for increased distance that would be making the playing field even. We can't sit perched or they flee immediately lmao.

[solemn sable]

My generally strategy is shoot, immediately turn and begin sprinting, then do a 180 and continue to shoot until running out of stamina. So I'm sprinting backwards as something chases me, shooting at them as they close in

[normal laurel]

How do you deal with wolf spiders then?

[solemn sable]

If they do close the distance I take out sword/shield or greatsword, but that normally only happens if I'm outnumbered

[solemn sable]

Spicy greatsword for them, they are indeed too quick

[normal laurel]

Soldier ants?

[solemn sable]

3 hits with a greatsword though, candy does turn them into a chump

Same, greatsword

[normal laurel]

Mosquitos and Bees lol.

[solemn sable]

So yeah, I guess I am beeing too contextual.

[normal laurel]

See, I'll keep playing Archer but generally we are at a disadvantage compared to melee. Now if we could have pets that help us, we wouldn't need a defensive maneuver.

[solemn sable]

Mosquitos I can take out before they reach me while ranged, they can be slow on approach. But yeah! I do get it, you leave yourself open to attack when ranged, we don't have a de facto dodge of any kind

[normal laurel]

Like a pet that has a random distract proc chance or something like that.

[solemn sable]

I'm so used to solo that I'm always more or less a mixed skirmisher. Even when I'm doing melee, the moment an enemy moves out of range I quickshot with my crossbow and close the distance then switch, and etc. So I tend to mix them up very often rather than deciding exclusively ranged or whatnot

[normal laurel]

Me too, we have to be flexible or we get bent easily lmao.

Like give us a mutation where the archers pet can distract the enemy that'd give us a fighting chance against the more deadly. Aphids would be perfect, like they run off in the distance and the enemy chases them for a few seconds.

[solemn sable]

Do you have Mom Genes?

It does work out that way some times with Mom Genes

[normal laurel]

Nope, we are not prepared for her deadliness lmao.

But I do plan on getting that indeed.

[solemn sable]

I took her on solo with a bee stinger and weevil shield 😏 It was a long fight, lol.

[normal laurel]

How many times she wiped you? 🤣

[solemn sable]

Funnily enough, I first tried on multiplayer with another 2 people and it took maybe 20 times to beat her the first time. Then a month or so later I tried in solo and was stupidly prepared and I'm 4-1 against her, beat her on the first try. She has way more health in multiplayer, I think she's actually much easier to take on solo

[coral plume]

whatd you use in total?

like fulll kit

[ocean dragon]

A +7 sword is probably gonna kill her real fast

[normal laurel]

What difficulty?

[solemn sable]

About 10 Fuzz on the Rocks, 15ish gas arrows, ladybug armor, bee stinger/weevil shield, mint mace, insect bow, each time. I basically shoot gas arrows in the center when mobs come in and circle the arena until they clear, fight mostly with the spear and block unless I'm confident I can get a full mace combo. Never use ranged during the fight unless for gas arrows, use mace on Orb Jrs. and spear on spiderlings (though these both are supposed to be taken out by gas)

I haven't fought her with my greatsword, but yeah I suspect that will shred through much more easily. And I don't think I'm on Woah, I'm pretty sure I play on Normal?

RE: overpreparedness, I literally wrapped the Hedge Lab in a castle base, built a skylift above the hedge, walkway through the corner and above the BM entrance, then walkway down. So I can literally just walk into her den from my base at any time or easily transfer items/resources or weapons/armor

[coral plume]

just slightly prepared

[ocean dragon]

The pts update has caused me to crash like 15 times in an hour. I can't save. I was hoping to test numbers tonight

[scarlet pumice]

Do bows and crossbows with candy effects pre-patch still have them now?

[ocean dragon]

No

[solemn sable]

Nope. They say in the UI but I've tested against antlions and no longer have my salty damage against them

[scarlet pumice]

RIP lost candy and salt.

[solemn sable]

Yep, lol. Salty Crossbow, it was great while it lasted.

[bright loom]

They actually buffed antlion sword well lol. Weird how it was ths same speed as the club. Time 2 see If it's worth a damn or stick with the club. I'm a big club lover though

I wonder if spiders are resistant to new type of damage

Any 1 know?

[ocean dragon]

Barbarian going back to the original way it was is such a nerf for other weapons

[normal laurel]

It's well worth it when you have blademaster mutation. It auto repairs itself.

[bright loom]

Repairs arent really a problem though. I'm talking about as much damage as I can physically do a second against souders. I wanna destroy the broodmother

We shall see though

Lots of spelling mistakes😶

Lol

@ocean dragon wait barbarian reverted????

[normal laurel]

We play on Whoa. 😬

[solemn sable]

I'm pretty sure they've nerfed the greatsword stamina cost to be same as club now, having traded it for speed

[normal laurel]

So durability is a big thing to us @bright loom

[ocean dragon]

Someone said it, but i haven't actually seen it (cause crashing)

[bright loom]

how is that never done it

[normal laurel]

Lmao.

[solemn sable]

I'm getting too old to find video games frustrating lol. I want a lazy river ride of challenge, I don't want to pull my hair out ha. This is supposed to be making me less stressed

[normal laurel]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, my favorite games are Soulsborne games so there's a hint into my mindset.

[bright loom]

How hard is whoa compared to like normal? Does everything cost more?

[solemn sable]

Lol, I'm usually only playing turn-based ones nowadays like Slay the Spire, Total War, Last Spell, etc. This one is kind of rare for me beyond the fact it's by Obsidian and I grew up playing ones like New Vegas

[normal laurel]

Not flat out but you take more durability damage and damage overall. Worker ants can 3 shot you, Soldier in 2, Antlion and Wolf Spiders in 1-1.5..

[normal laurel]

Obsidian is a real diamond. Their craft is something else.

[normal laurel]

If you die, it takes like 20% of the durability off of your equips.

[solemn sable]

They're more or less the last one of the Big 3 of my childhood left that I have faith in after what Bethesoft and Bioware are doing nowadays

[normal laurel]

Arkane and Id software are Bethesda. 😁

[solemn sable]

Bethesda as a publisher, not Bethesoft as a dev team lol

Unless I'm wildly misremembering here

[normal laurel]

Oh you meant Bethesda created games. Gotcha.

[ocean dragon]

Mad off topic, but since we're already off topic, if i download grounded onto my PC can i use my xbox save file to see if it'll crash there too?

[mossy sable]

Question: I just noticed my trail markers for BURGL quests are no longer shown in my map. Did i disabled them somehow or they are no longer shown?

[solemn sable]

I think it's a bug. All my markers near the west side of the map, like my base next to the picnic table (it's the same marker used as the BURGL quest pre PTS) are turning themselves off every time I sleep

[cedar hedge]

Anyone know what bugs take extra slashing damage?

[quiet root]

Honestly don’t even want to test until the full release they’ve changed it 3 times in the PTS already.

I will say ladybugs are strong against slashing it seems. I’ve been going around with a mighty spiky sprig and mighty ant sword since their damage bars are the same. The results are weird. Not sure if those damage bars are accurate or not.

[solemn sable]

I think the UI maxes out at 10, so all weapons display as 10 (but exceed that number). There should be a new color for overflow and it should highlight the difference in the 10 bars (unless we move away from using bars)

[quiet root]

I’ve been using those two weapons because of that yeah. Both max out at 6 bars dead even

Just not sure if it’s showing the correct values for every weapon

Atm insects don’t seem to resist any type of Candy either which I’m sure will change

I will say these strengths and weaknesses are much more important early game. Once you get the Tier 3 weapons all that really matters is what Candy you upgrade with

[solemn sable]

Are they obtainable early game, though? Presumably you need to either have one bomb to get to the sandbox via table, or be able to make it past black soldier ants. Then you'd be one-shot by antlions in anything lower than ladybug

You could get small amounts of salt on the table plates, but you'd need at least 25 for 5 total globs. You'd have to kill multiple antlions for a real lookover of the sandbox, especially the caves

I guess you could get mint and search the trash for occasional candy nodes?

[quiet root]

Yeah just talking about the damage types but you’re right. I’ll do some testing anyway. I definitely seeing it changing. Expecially adding a resist for candys. Currently there is no downside to any of the choices just upside

Also using the quartzite globs doesn’t seem to actually add any bonus damage like it says

[solemn sable]

Unless the downside is obtaining them 😆

[quiet root]

Lol for real I’m not spending anymore spicy until full release

[solemn sable]

Arrows having such a lower augment cost might actually be the best strategy for early game access to the sandbox? You'd find enough salt per day on the table to create at least 10 if not 20 arrows alongside the two static large feathers, I'd imagine you'd need 6-8 salt arrows on a vanilla bow or xbow to kill each mobile antlion, maybe 10 for the pit ones. You could stock up on about 40 salt arrows for your first trip inside the sandbox and be equipped to deal with a few antlions (at least enough to access the salt caves and haul large amounts of candy back) having only found 8 salt shards prior. That still doesn't solve for the fact they can one-shot you at any point, though

[quiet root]

I agree

Looks like this latest patch did make quartzite globs give the correct damage

[solemn sable]

Relink to the top of thread for any one just joining:
#895763313491869736 message

[quiet root]

Unfortunately don’t think that list is accurate anymore

Been working on this note. It’s using a Lvl 7 mosquito needle on every insect. Haven’t tested underwater obviously. Some interesting results for sure.

This is the number of hits to kill with no buffs. The ~ signs are just to note that there was a sliver of health on last hit. Just wanted to note for myself.

Seems like some insects do resist Candy. Some have a major weakness and minor weakness as-well. Not sure if this is all intentional again I’m sure it will change

[ocean dragon]

The bugs with bug numbers is huge difference between effective and regular

[quiet root]

Yeah that’s partly why I wanted to use the mosquito needle to see those differences more. Might just be Regular, effective, resistive. Not sure how they calculate some of these

[ocean dragon]

I've fallen out of love with the needle. So many hits. I just use the mint mallet lol.

There's also no reason to go mighty

Like, at all.

[quiet root]

Yeah I never use it on bigger insects obviously. Mostly stuff less than orb weavers to heal on the go

I agree it’s weird niche for firefly’s. That’s it

Or If you didn’t wanna farm the candy’s and just wanted to upgrade to 7 in some cases

I’ll try and see the damage type effectiveness next. Not sure how I can even test that yet

[ocean dragon]

Only reason to go mighty is cause you have to now. Looking at you bows

I wish they'd just tell us the numbers

I don't think they're losing anything by being transparent

[quiet root]

Yah and shovel.
I agree they need a beastiary with all of it spelled out.

[ocean dragon]

Does upgrading the shovel lessen the amount of uses for digging?

[quiet root]

Not for sandpit don’t think. Never tested it. I know you can 1 hit clay after upgraded

[ocean dragon]

Upgrade like +1?

Is there a burgl upgrade for it already?

[quiet root]

Never tested when it happens just used rock cracker mutation and ant shovel 7 and noticed it’s a 1 hit

[ocean dragon]

That's interesting.

[boreal birch]

Why are Ladybugs so weak to Fresh? The way I think it should work is each insect should have a weakness and a strength. For example the weakness could be Fresh, the strength Spicy and Salty is neutral. A Fresh weapon could take 8 hits, a Spicy 16 and a Salty 12. Mighty could be 11 since it’s neutral and has higher damage buff.

[gentle cairn]

Bout to go try some mint arrows on some bugs.

[ocean dragon]

@quiet root you think the lion sword should go salty?

[quiet root]

About to finish my findings one sec

Got one last bug to check

Diving bell spider

[ocean dragon]

Oh nice

[ocean dragon]

The roly poly takes minimal damage from a +3 mint mace

Haven't upgraded the sword all the way yet

[quiet root]

Ok so I tested every insect lol (never again) These are the weapons I used. I upgraded some of them so that they would all roughly do the same damage. I can only go off of the damage bar they gave us

Sorry for the formatting took the data on my phone

[quiet root]

Personally think that quartzite globs should only increase durability. Keep the damage buffs for the Candy that way it doesn’t make them redundant in most situations

Diving bell spiders also resist poison changed on my chart

[quiet root]

To answer this. Salty antlion is strong against antlions yah. I’d say upgrade it to spicy though. Use it to kill the broodmother. Then put the broodmother club to salty for Roly polys and antlions. Salty Broodmother club kills antlions in the same amount of hits and can make use of barbarian mutation.

[ocean dragon]

Ah that makes sense. I haven't killed mom yet

[quiet root]

Yah honestly you could go salty antlion first you’ll need a good weapon to kill antlions quicker for the spicy candies anyway

If I had to choice one of each Tier 3 weapon

Salty Broodmother - sandbox mobs
Spicy Greatsword - spider mobs
Mighty Mint Mace - infected area mobs

Covers all the bases

I have been thinking about just using the Salty Greatsword with the Spicy Mosquito Needle. Then just keep blade master 3 on and you never have to repair your weapons

Mask of the Mother Demon
Spicy Spider Fang 7
Assassin 3

Is a good combo as-well

[ocean dragon]

So i need to get spicy greatsword first before fighting mom

The fact that my spicy sword doesn't have any vfx indicator it's spicy is a real feels bad

[hasty mist]

Any of you doing the level 6 or 7 mighty path noticing that the actual damage percentage added doesn't match what the preview says? for both levels, preview shows that I'm going to get a 15% damage increase, e.g., from 50% to 65% or from 60% to 75%, but both times I do it I get a 10% increase instead, e.g., from 50% to 60% and then 60% to 70%.

[ocean dragon]

The mint mace isn't bad to kill lions. It's slow (I'm only +3 mace). I've gotten the patterns down so i can kill lions reliably

[ocean dragon]

In the process of making a +6 bow now

[cedar hedge]

Don’t ant lions resist slashing and take more generic damage?

[quiet root]

May of mixed them up. I’ll double check. Took those tests at the end when I was pretty tired

[quiet root]

Nope just checked it’s correct.

[scarlet pumice]

I guess them resisting clubs is countered by both salty and the sheer damage of the CotMD.

[quiet root]

Quick way to check.
Lvl 1 - Tough Greatsword = Mint Mallet. Damages wise

Pretty easy to tell from that. Yah honestly at this point CotMD overrules all weaknesses. Until more mobs get introduced

[ocean dragon]

Club is much better than the greatsword?

[gentle cairn]

Greatsword has just the right swing speed and damage output to delete dozens of ants a second.

[desert bramble]

So how much extra damage (percent wise) does the elementals do

[solemn sable]

I don't know that we've confirmed this yet, but I'm curious as well. I don't know if it'd be easy to calculate with arrows or if that would be misleading

[desert bramble]

So after counting the elementals sections fresh covers the most Bugs and salty covers the least

But keep in mind some bugs may be stronger or more common

Fresh is best for the haze and salty is best for the sandbox for example

[solemn sable]

So fresh is best against basic enemies, spicy against spiders/ants, salt against heavily armored ones like antlions and roly polies

[desert bramble]

Yes

Only edit that fresh is also good against mid game bugs like the stink bug or bombardier beetle

[solemn sable]

I wonder if that was changed since the last patch. That would make it a lot easier to create your first candy weapon, if you'd used the mints available from the starting locations

[desert bramble]

I had a suggestion to make it so you can switch elementals but you would still need to upgrade the elementals to use

[mossy sable]

SAlt for rolys? i thought it was fresh xD

• throws away his mint mace once again *

[desert bramble]

It can be either

Fresh or salty

[mossy sable]

• picks it back up anyways *

[desert bramble]

Lol

Actually it’s prb the best cause fresh covers the most bugs including all the haze bugs

[solemn sable]

Does this mean Mint Mace is the most damage you could do, since it has innate fresh?

[desert bramble]

I think the most dmg is crossbow with markmanscap feather arrows (they now are like quartzite elementals) and the bow dmg mutation

I’ll test it

[modest bane]

pretty sure the bow mutation doesn't add any extra damage now, instead it gives a chance to immobilize

[desert bramble]

Oh that’s a shame

I feel barbarian should make it so it takes less stamina to swing the club

[modest bane]

https://grounded.fandom.com/wiki/Mutations most of them seem right but I know for a fact Daredevil doesn't leave you with 1 health

i think its up to date with the PTR

[ocean dragon]

That's a big quartzite nerf

[solemn sable]

I feel like I'll have to do twice as much mining now

[ocean dragon]

Yeen lying

[boreal birch]

4-11 means average of 7.5 so it’s a slight buff in the long run

[ocean dragon]

Not going to feel that way. Much rather always crack 3 for 21 than crack 3 for 4 5 6

[boreal birch]

Or 3 for 9, 10, 11

Maybe it should be 4-11 with no mutation and go up slightly with each level of Rock Cracker?

[solemn sable]

Was there a complaint about quartzite to encourage them to make this decision in the first place? I feel like nearly all resources have static drops, not sure why we have to introduce RNG to mining

[hasty mist]

lol. I'm just going to sit over here and happily think about the ant egg hatching timer being doubled.

[boreal birch]

It’s too easy to get a lot of Quartzite very early and very safely. It needed some adjustment

[ocean dragon]

The change would make more sense if they were implementing a "pay more for guaranteed drops of x", but this just feels brutal just to be brutal

[boreal birch]

It’s no different than killing bugs and getting random amounts of parts. Would you rather they left it alone and increased the cost to upgrade instead?

I think they are trying to balance progression so you don’t get OP gear quickly and make the game trivial

[solemn sable]

I'd rather they decrease the cost still given that I was already running out of quartzite pre-PTS because it was used in crafting Dew Collectors and etc. I always had a stock that I'd spent before the weapon upgrades were even a mechanic

[boreal birch]

I hope ether add a similar armor system that requires Berry Leather to upgrade and Candy to add damage reduction vs different insects

[solemn sable]

Now I'm expected to upgrade tier 1 weapons a few times at the least, so I'm already 100+ quartz in the hole before reaching tier 2

[boreal birch]

Yeah it makes no sense for Dew Collectors

That or horde it until you get tier 2 weapons

[solemn sable]

Fully expect them to have Minty adding gas guard effect to armor, which would be great. Spicy adding sizzle protection and so on, maybe even with resistance against antlions and so on

[desert bramble]

Found out fireflies are pretty weak to either my club or the salty elemental

[hasty mist]

Speaking of berry leather, I had just finished construction on my berry drying operation over by the hedge when the mosquitoes were added. The operation is beautiful but I'm so tired of having to fight off mosquitoes while switching out the berries/berry leather that I hardly ever use it any more. What do you guys do for mass berry gathering? Dedicated hedge crawl?

[solemn sable]

My base is at the quiet corner of the hedge by the research station. I find I can get 90ish berry parts at a time within a few minutes with my bow, and I have something like 10 drying racks there. Admittedly this was a very early game base, my second real one, and there are better spots for more berries but this seems the safest because there aren't any enemies pre juicebox zipline

Two spiderlings near the juicebox, but beyond that nothing seems to bother me in or near this spot

[fast niche]

those spiderlings are ASSHOLES

Whenever I try to carry some sticks to my house, they bite me and I drop them all off the edge

[solemn sable]

Lol, I send stems via zipline to the branches from my main tower so I never need to walk around with stems near enemies nowadays, but I did it because of constant issues like that

[ocean dragon]

I wonder what metrics they're basing everything off of

Like, how was it determined that the bows should have arrows instead or the quartzite.

Are they seeing how fast/slow people are upgrading in real time?

[solemn sable]

Maybe they're reading the channels here and trying to account for what they see as imbalances/exploits, beyond any in-game metrics they're using

[sacred wagon]

Just got a huge patch, this the legit update or some changes to the PT?

[ocean dragon]

Changes

[quiet root]

Salty does more bonus damage then fresh. I think fresh is a minor buff since it’s “sickly”

[quiet root]

Made a better photo for you guys to save. Let me know if you see any discrepancy’s

[quiet root]

I want to try and add TAYZ. T and assist Manager tonight

[ocean dragon]

Is generic clubs and smashing hammers?

[ocean dragon]

+6 spicy sword does work against mom

The hard part is not dying lol

[muted cloak]

What what is generic?

Is it just the mighty path?

[ocean dragon]

No. Generic is like slashing/smashing/stabbing

[desert bramble]

I didn’t know my mom was weak to spicy!😭

[boreal birch]

Isn’t generic Clubs? Smashing is hammers and slashing would be Daggers.

[desert bramble]

Slashing is swords

And I think daggers

I’m tying to get a fresh broodmother club

[normal notch]

why tho the club mint mallet already has fresh
when upgrading to mighty level 7 its like the same as mint level 7 brothclub

just my opnion :)

[quiet root]

Slashing is swords. Daggers is actually chopping I think. You can see some of them have symbols next to the weapon. Generic and stabbing don’t have symbols yet

I’ve also seen stabbing be called piercing in the patch notes

There is also “digging” which is only shovels.

Generic = clubs
Stabbing = arrows, spears, needle
Slashing = swords
Smashing = hammers
Chopping = axes, daggers

From my understanding.

[boreal birch]

Ok, would nice if the UI in game just told us.

[ocean dragon]

Would be very helpful.

[ocean dragon]

Just killed broodmom for the first time. +6 spicy lion sword and black ant shield were great

Took like 10~ tries

[modest bane]

how do you equip the antlion great sword and a shield at the same time?

[oblique cosmos]

You don't it's a two handed weapon

[scarlet pumice]

I feel like clubs were changed from Generic to Smashing. Not exactly sure. It could have just been the sheer damage of the CotMD, but I was dealing quite a bit of damage to a roly poly. 6 hits and it was down.

[quiet root]

Nope check the chart generic is a minor buff to Roly polys.

There isn’t a reliable smashing weapon yet really. The salty CotBM is the best weapon against Roly polys ATM.

For Roly Polys lvl 7 weapons.

Salty CotMD > Fresh CotMD > Mint Mallet

[scarlet pumice]

Sure is fun to use the club again. This thing wrecks.

[quiet root]

Made some updates. Cheers guys

[normal notch]

o cool

[quiet root]

Also I’m pretty sure generic is anything that’s not stabbing, slashing, chopping, or digging.

Generic - Clubs, Fists, Rocks
Stabbing - Arrows, Spears, Needle
Slashing - Swords
Chopping - Axes, Daggers
Digging - Shovels

Explosive - Bombs

[normal notch]

i would guess crub weakens would be digging not a lot of other insects that i can think of would be weak against it

[quiet root]

Yeah not sure if it’s even worth testing tbh

Only others might be worth testing is underwater creatures. Since you can only use spears,knifes, and shovels underwater

[fast niche]

Still waiting for icons that actually say these things

Also, it seems like slashing is by far the best weapon

which kinda sucks

cause the T3 sword is ugly

[ocean dragon]

The sword is very ugly, but the lion is ugly, so it makes sense.

I would also like if they would give some type of visual indicator when a weapon has been upgraded

some swirls, sparkles or something

[quiet root]

CotMD is the best weapon easily

Salty 7 can 3 hit regular antlions. And 5 hit the pit antlions

[ocean dragon]

What's it doing to a roly?

Those things are tanks

[muted cloak]

So salty seems to just dominate huh

[ocean dragon]

Not really. Spicy kills the spiders and ants

[muted cloak]

I see, I should’ve read whole thing first. So salt for tanky boys, spicy for ants/spider

And fresh for infected

[ocean dragon]

https://youtu.be/frCp4b7d9cQ

Dude said ~16 hits with a spicy/mighty +7 lion sword

[quiet root]

I did some testing earlier. Salty CotMD and Mint Mallet both kill in 10 hits. Salty CotBM was doing more damage though so with its heal move the Salty CotMD is slightly better

[ocean dragon]

Makes sense. I have a +3 mint mallet and a naked club. They hit like trucks

[lunar cedar]

What heal move?

[quiet root]

If you haven’t fought it yet. It rolls it into a ball and heal itself

[ocean dragon]

That shit is infuriating lol

[lunar cedar]

Oh the Roly poly

Yeah I knew that. I thought you were talking about the Broodmother since that's what the guy in the video was fighting.

[ocean dragon]

@quiet root @solemn sable y'all got a new weapon to test

[bright loom]

What 1@ocean dragon

[lunar cedar]

The Morning Star absolutely melts at level 7

[bright loom]

They added a new weapon?

[bright kraken]

Awesome, only 3 molars away from completing my tooth fairy impersonation.
I now know what I'm doing next

[ocean dragon]

Yes

[north yarrow]

Since when?

[ocean dragon]

Today

[north yarrow]

What's it made out of?

[mossy sable]

salt

[north yarrow]

Bc I ain't see nun in the patch notes

[mossy sable]

its not it the patch notes but its actually here!

[north yarrow]

I don't see it in my crafting menu

[mossy sable]

you need to find the recipe

its inside the chest in the moat

[north yarrow]

Ight so I gotta go back to the damn sand box

[mossy sable]

yep

[north yarrow]

Why does it do so little damage for being a t3 because of the amount of stun?

[mossy sable]

maybe? we can still upgrade it to lvl 7

[north yarrow]

I have a weird feeling it wasn't supposed to be added to the game just yet

[mossy sable]

damage goes up starting the 6th notch

same

im gonna give it a try. Looks nice tho

[north yarrow]

Kinda weird lookin

I thought yall was jus on sum bs fr

[north yarrow]

Well I'm not sure it's got full textures and a description that isn't completely scuffed

[normal notch]

Does that count as the Sam type of damage as a hammer does ?

[bold jay]

Who knows about the damage types, does the glob replace the damage type of a weapon, or just adds to it? I mean, If I'm making a sword spicy, is it now slashing AND spicy, or just spicy?

[normal notch]

both

i think you can have a weapon typ and a candy typ on it i belive

[north yarrow]

You keep the same base damage type when you upgrade and it also adds on the candy damage buff as well

[bold jay]

thanks!

[desert bramble]

Is it a club?

[mossy sable]

Yeah it triggers barbarian buff

[desert bramble]

That’s good

[mossy sable]

But is much faster than any other club its 1 handed

[desert bramble]

I feel like that would do more dmg than the broodmother club cause that looks like an actual weapon while the broodmother club looks like a play toy

lol

[mossy sable]

#｜super-ominent-secrets message

[desert bramble]

I was disappointed with the moat chest so it’s good they added something else

[mossy sable]

Its on lvl 7

[desert bramble]

Ooo this weapon is perfect with crit chance higher

Does it have an effect?

[mossy sable]

Salty

By default

Like mint on the mint mace

[desert bramble]

Ah ok

[mossy sable]

Now we need a spicy weapon

[desert bramble]

Was that a crit that you just got in the video?

[mossy sable]

Coup de gras 2 and barbarian

[desert bramble]

ahh ok

[mossy sable]

I think so

[desert bramble]

That’s amazing

My new favorite weapon

And now I can switch my antlion sword to spicy to obliterate spiders

[ocean dragon]

Crits have flashing yellow spark effect on hit

[desert bramble]

What barbarian buff?

[ocean dragon]

Rage

[desert bramble]

Does it still negate the ability to perfect block

[ocean dragon]

That's what rage does, yes

[desert bramble]

Oh it still is not my favorite ok

[quiet root]

Tested the Salty Morning Star. It’s prolly my favorite looking weapon. Don’t like the repair cost though. Seems to degrade kinda quick?

My favorite setup still is the Salty Antlion and Spicy Needle. With BladeMaster 3 you never have to repair them. Only time I use a different weapon is the Salty CotMD against Roly Polys

[ocean dragon]

I went spicy on the lion sword. Help chop down broodmom

[desert bramble]

spicy needle?

[ocean dragon]

Spice mosquito needle

[desert bramble]

Ah

[mild edge]

Spicy (tier 3) spear

[desert bramble]

I mean they are going to add peppers on the release of hot and hazy

[lunar cedar]

At level 7 I don't notice the Morning Star degrading quick at all. The cost seems fine considering you can get 25+ salt every 3 in game days.

[ocean dragon]

What's the repair cost

[north yarrow]

I think it's 2 salt shards and 1 quartzite...? iirc

[bright loom]

4 and 3 I think

[lunar cedar]

2 salt 2 quartzite shards

[carmine gyro]

ermmmmmm I'm not really good in English but can anyone explain for me about the Generic? What is Generic? I read on patch not Generic is from clubs and misc???

[hasty mist]

Yes, everything not assigned to a different weapon type. We think this includes clubs and pebblets. Possibly fists.

[carmine gyro]

ohhhhhhhhhhh, sound good to me. thanks bro

[quaint smelt]

its supposed to be a version of this type of mace, notice the solid metal bumps at the end, it's made for blunt impact and crushing damage, made to dent and break in plate armor and shatter bones.

[cedar sentinel]

Yeah the broodmother club is a variation to a studded club which more focused on blunt force trauma instead of spiked clubs which while also being blunt objects are also used for their piercing ability.

[potent thunder]

whats best on the bee? sword, hammer, so on

[quaint smelt]

fresh i believe?

fresh, chopping slashing

[potent thunder]

hmmm alright

[quaint smelt]

generic and smashing are resistant

so avoid clubs it sounds like

[modest bane]

level 7 crossbow with antlion set wreaks bees

feather arrows too

[boreal birch]

Is the Mosquito Needle a sword or spear? It looks like a sword but doesn’t have the slashing icon the Black Ant and Anlion swords have.

[ocean dragon]

Sword.

[cedar sentinel]

It is classed as a sword but with the thrusting attack type.

[ocean dragon]

Rapiers thrust, but they're swords

[modest bane]

pretty sure they count as stabbing damage like the spears tho

[cedar sentinel]

Yeah mutation its a sword damage type is stabbing

[boreal birch]

So it gets Blademaster but does stabbing?

[quaint smelt]

yes

[ocean dragon]

@quiet root have you tested poison at all this pts? Is it better than before?

[quiet root]

Yah I tested it a bit. Mostly what is immune to it. Basically all of the spiders

Also the new assassin mutation gives a new type of “poison” but it’s separate. It’s more of a bleed damage

[ocean dragon]

And there's only 1 weapon that deal poison right? The dagger?

[quiet root]

Yah and arrows

Try the spider fang dagger, assassin III, and Broodmother Hood it’s pretty fun.

[ocean dragon]

Ah. The arrows seem like a waste for the venom

[ocean dragon]

I would, but the daggers break so fast

[quiet root]

They do. I’d recommend just making it Mighty 7 if ya do.

[ocean dragon]

That makes sense.

I also think i like the spider fang dagger more than any of the spears

[quiet root]

Yah I like the bone knife underwater with assassin. I think daggers you should really hit things a couple times to proc the poison and then switch weapons

[elfin bronze]

Should I get a lvl 7 Mother club with spicy or lvl 7 Antlion Sword with spicy for battling Motherboard?

[quiet root]

Antlion Sword I think. Both are great though.

[ocean dragon]

+7 spicy Lion sword felt good against mom (mine was +6)

The fight is only hard cause she has this attack where she hits 4 in a row with a gap between 3rd and 4th hit

So the rhythm is awkward.

I haven't decided what I'm going to put on my club because the salt mace is there

[quiet root]

Def don’t put fresh I haven’t found any difference between fresh 7 CotMD and Lvl 7 Mint Mace.

[ocean dragon]

Ah. So fresh is useless on anything except the mint mallet?

[quiet root]

No just Fresh Brood Club = Mint Mace so not worth putting fresh on it

[ocean dragon]

Oh makes sense. I might just put mighty on it and call it a day

[oblique cosmos]

Do I have to buy the burger chips to make the globs??? I can make them bc of the pts but burgl is selling them and I haven't bought em

[quaint smelt]

yes

lol\

[scarlet pumice]

If you've researched the base components really early on, then no. That used to unlock them, and they'll stay unlocked if you did that.

I still need to buy a glob recipe, but I can make the mint glob without it.

[quaint smelt]

damnit man, he literally answered his own question when he said he could use them and hasnt bought them, why ruin my fun!

lol

[oblique cosmos]

I'm just trying not to waste any raw science LOL

[bright loom]

No

U dont have to buy them

Its ridiculous they made that a thing later

U need way 2 much raw science and get 2 a point where quest grinding is all there is and it's boring as hell.

[quaint smelt]

really?? man, at one point in my new playthrough i had 15k raw science just from collecting burgl chips

you just get the quest and then hand it in

and maybe i was just lucky, but those were all i was getting early game, every day there was at least 1 new burgl chip quest, and theyre worth 2k each

[bright loom]

Not if you dont cycle quests or get bad 1s. If you get quests for burglary chips and cant get um for a while it just holds that slot.

[hasty mist]

Had 20K raw science saved up prior to the PTS. It wasn’t enough to repurchase even half of the items I’d previously unlocked and I’m out of BURG.L chips to turn in… and that doesn’t include any of the construction packages that did stay unlocked… I’d agree that the amount of RS needed is much higher than obtained through normal game play at the moment.

[quaint smelt]

well, i had no problems buying most items, but maybe thats cuz i didnt waste any on stuff i didnt want

[tepid canyon]

Fresh arrows damaged bees and mosquitoes more than other arrows. This was on the PTS, so not sure if that's the case on live.

[ocean dragon]

All the pts stuff transferred over from what i can tell

[vagrant rivet]

Salty candy?

[ocean dragon]

No. Salt is just salt. Not a candy

[vagrant rivet]

Salty Candy

Make it happen

[hasty mist]

Lol, neither did I. I just, unfortunately, wanted everything...

[quaint smelt]

yeah... i know what you mean, i got everything for crafting and progressing but if you want the cosmetic items, it is a bit of a grind, but let's be real, you want the extra stuff, you should have to put in extra work.

[modest bane]

i've heard of salt water taffy, is that not salty? also salted caramel

[hasty mist]

Reposting @quiet root 's chart for less scrolling:

[tepid canyon]

Upgraded the Mint Mace to the max with quartzite globs and the mint trait disappeared? It now has the poison icon instead..

[uneven fractal]

Visual bug I believe, it was like that for the PTS

Also wrong % values for mighty

[tepid canyon]

Ah, I see! So the fresh trait is still active?

[uneven fractal]

I think so one way to test is to see if things are harder to kill after you went past level 5 that were weak to fresh

I never tested but I think it’s just visual

[tepid canyon]

alright! Thank you. 🙂

[unborn knot]

what does this mean

how do i get a quartzite glob

im so lost

[atomic fog]

what are the right values for mighty?

[uneven fractal]

When you go to upgrade to 6 it say 65% but after shows 60% same thing happens at 7. Shows a 15% increase but only get 10 after doing it. According to the ui. So I believe it should be 65% and 80% but shows 60% and 70% after upgrade

[hasty mist]

Same. Commented on this during the PTS.

[quiet root]

Not poison just the symbol for mighty

Yah I personally don’t think quartzite should get an extra 5%. It would make the candies meaningless in a lot of situations. I’d rather it give the same amount just increase the durability.

[ocean dragon]

I think they should've done something different with the candies in general. The resistance/effectiveness is nice, but it feels shallow

[quiet root]

They’ll definitely expand upon it. For example Ive been slowly stocking up on charcoal because I can see them using it for burn damage on weapons. I’m sure they’ll add armor upgrades soon too

[ocean dragon]

I haven't been gathering charcoal but i probably should

[pseudo topaz]

What roly polys are weak against?

Oh i saw the post above

Sorry

[quaint smelt]

can you pin that chart?

[hasty mist]

Maybe? Never done that before, didn't even think I had the option.

[quaint smelt]

i know you can, but i think you have to pin your own comment?

[hasty mist]

I'm not seeing an option for me to pin it. Would the original thread creator be able to?

[quaint smelt]

that way if you pin it, that image will forever be under the pin icon at the top, no scrolling ever, just click and check

probably needs to be a mod then

[hasty mist]

In the meantime:

[quaint smelt]

i just posted something in discussion, hopefully a mod will see it and pin it for us

[cedar sentinel]

Here let me test something

Okay the chart as is is visible in pins when in this channel

[hasty mist]

Thanks Rayman!

[quaint smelt]

thank you very much Rayman.615, thank you!!

[muted cloak]

You need the recipe from a chip in the black Ant hill

[boreal birch]

I've been doing a lot of testing the last few days and I've found a lot of discrepancies between the most recent chart that's been shared here and my results.

I'm using a Bone Dagger, Spiky Sprig, Pebblet Hammer, Black Ant Sword and Mosquito Needle leveled so that they all have the same damage output and all at level 4 or lower.

I tested each multiple times against every insect and my results are different in many cases. I then started testing a level 7 Bone Dagger with each upgrade path and not in one case so far has Fresh/Salty/Spicy been best.

For anyone else that has tested have you noticed any of this happening?

[ocean dragon]

@quiet root did a lot of testing during the pts.

[hasty mist]

So did @solemn sable . Could be worth checking in to see if they've also noticed differences since that chart or if they were just using a different test method.

[ocean dragon]

Thanks, i couldn't remember their name off top

[muted cloak]

It could be a possibility, last minute tweaks or bugs perhaps

[scarlet pumice]

How is the Diving Bell Spider weak to Chopping? Does the Spider Fang Dagger count as Chopping and I just never knew about it?

Or is it more referring to Pebblet and Bone Daggers?

[wanton geode]

I shot alot of creatures with my insect bow and used the mother demon weopen. I gotta say alot of bugs are more weak to mint than spicy or salty..atleast the bugs I shot

Imagine doing an infinite combo on an antlion in woa mode to where the antlion can't do anything

[boreal birch]

The Spider Fang Dagger does a lot of damage to the Diving Bell Spider and is best for Tadpoles and Water Boatman as well.

[wanton geode]

Water creatures

[boreal birch]

Spears are best vs. Water Fleas.

[wanton geode]

Who honestly makes a main weapon for little creatures and water creatures

I feel like the main threat is the land creatures

Gas arrows for under water?

[wanton geode]

Did u also test what they are more ammune too. I shot spicy arrows at a stink bug and they do less damage than normal arrows

What does more damage to bugs. The right weapon but wrong element or vise versa

[boreal birch]

I need to do more testing on the candy upgrades but only Mighty had positive or negative affects so far.

[wanton geode]

That is true

I put mighty on my brood mother club bc when I tested alot of creatures with arrow types....things got interesting

Also, wanna play a game together sometime

[wanton geode]

I see your vids and I think they cool

[boreal birch]

These are my testing results using a Bone Dagger (L4) for Chopping, Pebblet Hammer (L4) for Smashing, Spiky Sprig (L0) for Generic, Mosquito Needle (L4) for Stabbing and Black Ant Sword (L0) for Slashing. The rows with red text are the only ones I haven't tested yet but I believe they are correct. I used no mutations and used each weapon 5-10 times on every insect.

[sand socket]

I was making a Swordmaster build with Spicy Mosquito Needle (red/black ants) and Fresh Black Ant Sword (mosquito, bee, stinkbug, infected bugs).

Now i am kinda regretting because spiders resist stabbing, a spicy slashing weapon was the way

What combination of weapons are you using?

Mighty seems to be the way for insect hammer

[ocean dragon]

Spicy Lionsword

I went salty on my CotMD

[quaint smelt]

antlion greatsword all the way, spicy for regular travels, salty for sandbox and roly poly hunts

[wanton geode]

What about bows

What category is it...stabbing?

[sand socket]

Yes

Stabbing

So no good against spiders, when wolfe spiders are away they heal all the dmg i do with the crow arrows/crossbow

[cedar sentinel]

That is just the natural deaggro heal for ranged you need to jump up and down any ledge you might be using periodically to keep them in aggro combat distance.

[wanton geode]

So basically I have bean killing everything with my bow and if things go south, I use my mother demon club or wolf spider blade. My mutations will always be crit and probably mother genes. If I'm using a weapon then I'm obviously going to use a specific mutations for it

I wonder how long it took for him to make the sheets

[hoary orbit]

If it stinks or fly it’s fresh
If it’s a spider/ant or normal larva its spicy
If it’s big and armored it’s salty

[wanton geode]

My theory is what if u had Roly poly armor on and u take more damage to creatures with brut force and if your wearing spider armor, u will take more damage to slicing or chopping. Like if maybe players attacked u or if a lady bug and ant lions attacked u.

[normal notch]

In my opinion wouldn’t be so fun since it would be even more stuff to manage

[quaint smelt]

that would just get too complicated and tedious, you would need a set of armor for every enemy in the backyard, no fun

[cedar sentinel]

I feel the armor crafting would overcome the flaws of the harvested creature to make a universally neutral piece of gear where in lies the only hindrance the armours provide is stamina recovery.

[quaint smelt]

agreed

[pseudo topaz]

Wich are the effect of spicy, salty and fresh weapons?

[ocean dragon]

#895763313491869736

[quaint smelt]

click the pin at the top, there's a chart pinned in this thread, has a list of all weaknesses and strengths

[wanton geode]

Omg I'm shooting an anylion with my new archer set and it litterally can't do anything

I'm stunning and canceling its movement and attacks

Too many arrows xD

Kinda broken not gonna lie

[lunar cedar]

You running Antlion armor?

[long sapphire]

is the salty club a smashing weapon

just making sure

[pseudo topaz]

I think so i might be wrong tho

[uneven fractal]

It’s generic I thought just like the clubs

[pseudo topaz]

did someone make a map to all the location of the candys, salt, and mints?

[quaint smelt]

yes, check molar location thread, it's pinned

[pseudo topaz]

there is only a map of the molars there

[quaint smelt]

there isn't a candy map specifically but your best bet is the sandbox map for buried treasure, it has a couple spicy candy marked, then the salt mine, and mints show up as buried treasure

yeah sorry wrong map i was thinking of

[pseudo topaz]

thank you 🙂

its all good

[wanton geode]

Yes siiiiir

Destroying them. It used to be about damage but now it's about effects. I thought the change was bad untill I gave it an experience. Now I find it facinating

[sand socket]

Does the mint in the Haze abyyss respawn? I havent seen it like the one on the red ant hill

[sand socket]

Every 8 days a Mint respawns on red ant hill (on the burgl chip room) and also, every 8 days spicy candy respawns on the northwest corner of the sandbox (inside the plant pot) and in the corner of the middle of the castle (you'll need to build stairs or clover roofs) to get. And, the salt shards on the picnic table also respawn.
The rest, they are buried in the sandbox.

[still ocean]

If a weapon has already has an element (great sword, morning star, etc.), would adding a different element use both, or void out the other? I tried testing it out, it only said one element but I swear it seemed both worked… (plz @ me when you answer)

[cedar sentinel]

There is no changing elements once you have chosen a branch or in the case on the mint mace and salt morning star you cant add a second on it.

[still ocean]

My bad then, I saw an icon on the side of the Antlion Greatsword and thought it was spicy. Thanks for the help!

[cedar sentinel]

The antlion greatsword can have spicy but once its that type you cant switch that specific sword to anything else you would need to build another antlion sword and do the smithing on that again.@still ocean

[hearty matrix]

is larva blade and spider fang count as slashing weapons ?

[hasty mist]

Spider fang is chopping, not sure about larva blade.

[hearty matrix]

ok

so black ant sword and gum mace are slashing ?

[hasty mist]

Haven’t heard of a gum mace but it would likely be a club, which are generic

Swords are slashing

[hearty matrix]

and the only sword in game is the black ant sword ?

[cedar sentinel]

Mosquito needle, black ant sword and antlion greatsword are all swords so benefit from the blademaster mutation. Note the needle is counted as stabbing damage.

[hearty matrix]

antlion greatsword is slashing ? i thought it's generic

[cedar sentinel]

Its slashing

[boreal birch]

Larva blade is chopping. It has the axe icon in the UI and it can chop down grass.

[hearty matrix]

got it

[spare hedge]

the salt morning star is under the barbarian perk so it's a club

[solemn sable]

We did have a map of the candy spawns floating around during the PTS

[quaint smelt]

go to the thread sandbox treasure locations, there's a map right at the very top of that thread

[solemn sable]

Lol, I forgot that I was the one who made that thread. Just replying because of people asking above

[quaint smelt]

yeah i was pretty sure you were involved in the pts at that time, remember seeing your name in chat alot

[neat timber]

Made a chart someone said to share it here, credit to Sir Sim-Alot YT for the info

[hasty mist]

reposting Mediocre Milton's chart & there is also MyMagicSauce's chart pinned to this thread.

[boreal birch]

I just watched another video with bad info in it. Here's my complete file. I even streamed the testing of the candy upgrades on Saturday if you want to watch the VOD on YouTube. I also posted my video today if you want to go check it out as well. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MWLxkG-3NX5eUgPd-RcVOW4906dxpYs9pbgyVJ_9P70/edit?usp=sharing

[boreal birch]

This chart has a lot of bad info. For example Red Soldier Ants are resistant to Mighty and you have them as weak. I would really encourage people to test themselves before sharing other people's results.

[ocean dragon]

People doing their own research? That's a concept /s

[vagrant rivet]

Does spicy deal fire?

[ocean dragon]

It deals spicy

[neat timber]

I feel like the chart wasn't too bad, Sir Sim-Alot usually does pretty good work. It's just a rough guide for people anyways I'm sure a lot of these are placeholders that will change in the future. But fs everyone should do their own research.

[ocean dragon]

This wouldn't even be a problem if we just got the numbers. Why companies like to obfuscate things is weird to me

[boreal birch]

I spent an entire day trying to get the info from the game files but they have them locked down where you can’t even open them. I really hope they just add it to the UI soon.

[quaint smelt]

i like how sir sim completely ignored the roly poly and the antlions in his research, very thorough

[ocean dragon]

It's all about who can get the info out there the fastest for the clicks. Damn the accuracy

[muted cloak]

I can vouch for him usually doing good, but the vid with the candy damage was misguiding and definitely not close to what I’d read so far

[quaint smelt]

normally i like him too, disappointing to see such an inaccurate video be released by him, normally he's very thorough and informative

[muted cloak]

So far the table posted before Milton’s was the most accurate, now adding Milton’s it has become the most accurate version I believe. So that’s what I’m going by

Of course always subject to change

[quaint smelt]

well sir sim's is accurate, just missing the antlion and the roly poly under salty

i just say disappointing cuz of how thorough he normally is, to see him miss 2 entire bugs like that is, just not like him

[hasty mist]

There have been a couple times now when Sir-Sim-Alot has mixed up confirmed info with rumor without really clarifying which is which. I appreciate what he still brings to the table but I also agree with Milton that there really is no substitute for actually confirming your own work. But, I'm a long ways from perfect too so... 🤷‍♂️

[muted cloak]

Here is Mediocre Milton’s chart. I figured this is easier to read than the link due to the formatting. Of course any updated would be through his link

[quaint smelt]

uh, the sickly roly poly is def weaker to salty than spicy...

[muted cloak]

I also came to this conclusion, I’ll have to revalue it later on today

[quaint smelt]

i know its not your chart, but just stating for the record

[hasty mist]

@boreal birch , any chance the difficulty level of a save is impacting this?

[cedar sentinel]

The other question is was this done with the same weapon and seperate enhancements so the only differences was the mighty/spicy/salty/minty

[boreal birch]

I tested in Creative which I believe is equal to Medium.

I tested candy upgrades with Bone Dagger, Insect Axe and Antlion Greatsword all level 7 with each upgrade.

On every insect 5-10 times

There is a chance some of the weapons are bugged because the lower tier were much harder to tell if the candy made a difference while the sword it was clear. I tested the sword on stream so the video proof exists.

If you don’t use the same weapon for testing the damage type could skew the results as well as mutations. I used no mutations either.

[quaint smelt]

interesting, cuz in my playthrough i have tested the lvl 7 greatsword on just about everything with the same mutations, and i found roly poly much weaker to salty than spicy

[boreal birch]

I will double check later on the Roly Poly

[muted cloak]

Makes sense, i may try the spicy and salty swords on it and see if any difference. Since so far salty was doing really good for the roly poly as well

[boreal birch]

You need to remove Coup de Grass because the crits are random so you could get 3 in a row on salty then none on spicy and vice versa

I could have put a video out last week to be first but I waited until I tested it all myself. First isn’t always best and usually it’s rushed.

[muted cloak]

Precisely

Nevertheless, thanks for the quick testing and upload as well, considering the sudden change to weapons/classes and what not

[quaint smelt]

so i wasnt running coup de grass but yeah that would def skew results

[ocean dragon]

Did they ever actually fix mighty?

[boreal birch]

Just tested a Salty and Spicy Level 7 Antlion Greatsword on a Roly Poly several times. I made sure I have no mutations and the damage was consistent. Here's the screen grabs:

Salty

Spicy

Unless different weapons are bugged and producing different results Spicy is better than Salt vs Roly Poly's.

[ocean dragon]

That's interesting

[boreal birch]

I don't have the quartzite to test other weapons right now. Would be nice if they just gave us full creative mode and let us craft and upgrade weapons fully without having to farm the resources.

[ocean dragon]

That'd be too easy

[uneven fractal]

Are things weak/strong to mighty? I thought that was just the general damage boost category and spicy, salty, fresh were the specifics that had a weakness making it worse in some cases and a strength making it better in some cases but mighty was the neutral way if you didn’t want to specify a type?

[hasty mist]

Could be wrong, but I think Mighty is specifically the level 6 & 7 of the quartzite path, so it should be on par with the other candy effects. levels 1-5 I thought I saw labeled as "Tough".

I guess you could say everything is weaker or stronger to Mighty, but maybe nothing is most susceptible or resistant to it?

[uneven fractal]

Idk if it is equivalent to the candy or not but usually games have like a weakness/strength path and then the neutral slightly weaker path but no downside and that’s what I thought mighty was but idk we would need the devs info

[hasty mist]

I take that back, according to Mediocre Milton's chart, there are several bugs that are resistant mostly to Mighty...

So maybe less of a neutral path than I thought...

[muted cloak]

Interesting, well that settles it then, so a spicy CotBM would be ideal for roly poly

[wanton geode]

I'm seeing the video and basically all I'm hearing is USE THE MOTHER DEMON

Good thing I've had my lvl7 might club demon

[muted cloak]

Yeh, for big chunky armored boi

[boreal birch]

I'm doing some additional testing and I've noticed some issue with some of the weapons. The Insect Axe appears to be dealing 2.5 damage not the 1.5 shown in the UI and the Antlion Greatsword is dealing about 7 damage not the 5 shown in the UI. I posted both in the Player Support channel as well.

[muted cloak]

Interesting, could this account for not as accurate candy bonus damage testing?

[quaint smelt]

i don't think so? cuz he was testing the same weapon for the candies

but if t he damage isn't consistent then maybe, but i main the greatsword, wouldvve noticed if half my hits weren't as powerful

[muted cloak]

You’re right, I’m making every variant for the great sword lol, for spiders, then one for sandbox, then one for haze

It’s just nice all around

[quaint smelt]

yeah that's what i run, 3 greatswords

and then when they get low, blademaster to repair them

[muted cloak]

And I also keep my spicy mosquito needle for anthill runs, that and the great sword is a pretty balanced set all around the map

[quaint smelt]

i'm planning to get a spider dagger, for stuff like mites, but yes, i really like the greatsword

[ocean dragon]

Only gripe i have with the lionsword is that it makes the antsword kinda irrelevant.

[quaint smelt]

the antsword is meant to be run with a shield, but personally i just find it weak

all the black ant stuff was kinda pathetic, except MAYBE the shield, but even then, not the best

the black ant armor has no durability, the sword is way underpowered for where you have to get it, and the shield is barely an improvement on the weevil shield. black ant gear just needs a buff

[ocean dragon]

I think the lionsword should've been a different weapon entirely. Or one of the new swords should've been a different weapon type entirely

I haven't tried any of the black ant armor. Ladybug armor still reigns supreme to me

[muted cloak]

The ant sword was a big let down for me. I’m trying to keep it fun and not just run the same weapons all the time. So I was doing mint mace and fresh ant sword, but it uh definitely makes the haze more of a challenge with the sword

It’s 3 swings intervals, you get 4 swings per larva, but you’re usually fighting 2-3 larva’s, so it gets overwhelming with the block timing and the damage output not being matched

[ocean dragon]

That's why I think one of the new weapons needed to be something else entirely.

[muted cloak]

Ladybug armor also does it for me. Roly poly was eh for me. I’m actually now a antlions armor main. The stamina regen with the high defense is nice

[ocean dragon]

I haven't been using the lion armor. I just like the health regen. Idk if it's just me but roly armor also loses durability extremely fast

like, there's just no reason to upgrade gear really except for the lionsword

[muted cloak]

Oh it does, or so it seems, my lady bug armor while enduring more damage, lasts me about twice as long

[boreal birch]

The incorrect damage amounts wouldn’t have affected my testing since I used the same weapons with different candy upgrades.

[muted cloak]

Correct, I was just asking my dumb question of the day :3

[jovial hound]

Did I see right the other day, that antlions are actually weak against spicy and not salty? I'm plucking up the courage to attempt to farm them to get more candy, but I don't wanna go in blind

[quaint smelt]

nope

[jovial hound]

I can't do much damage to them, so I've really got to get something that can

[quaint smelt]

salty man, dunno who told you spicy but thats just wrong

basically it's roly poly and antlion for salty, if it flies, stinkbug, bombadier, ladybug, and infected is fresh, and ants and spiders are spicy

[muted cloak]

For roly poly mediocre Milton actually retested and per his results, they are weak to spicy not salt. Unless it’s a bug, but that’s what came from testing

[boreal birch]

Screen shots above of one hit with Salty and Spicy Greatsword against a Roly Poly.

[jovial hound]

With me not able to even dint an antlion, getting the shards or in fact the greatsword a distant pipe dream. For real though, I'm getting my ass handed to me.. is it even possible for anyone to join me and kill a few?!

[quaint smelt]

yes and as i stated yesterday, i do not agree with those results, my salty greatsword is much more effective than his results showed, and will continue to tell people that

MOSTLY because I am not saying what's on a chart somewhere, I am stating, just like @boreal birch is, from MY OWN TESTING

[muted cloak]

Fair enough

[quaint smelt]

i just don't stream, so he's just got video evidence, i don't

[muted cloak]

Not doubting, just adding to the conversation, that’s what testing is for

[pseudo topaz]

Why not just record a video then? Also, is it the same difficulty for the both of you?

That way if it is the same difficulty, it can be seen and additional testing if needed from there. If difficulty is different, perhaps there's the answer?

[quaint smelt]

oh i know, i get it

[quaint smelt]

because i don't want to be bothered to record a video? i already come on here and post help, and send screenshots, i just really can't be bothered to download and set up a recording software

[pseudo topaz]

Fair enough lol

[quaint smelt]

doubtful difficulty would sway the results in this case, enemies aren't going to change resistances based on difficulty.

i think it's cuz theyre constantly changing things, and there's still bugs in the game. If ANY of t he weapons we tested had the SLIGHTEST BUG, all results would be invalid

[pseudo topaz]

Takes more hits to kill something on woah than on medium, iirc from the last time I played

Doesn't necessarily have to be from resistance changing either

[quaint smelt]

yes but saying salty does more damage than spicy will not change from med to woah, just total hits

we test the same weapons, it would have to be

[fluid helm]

@cursive jackal

Checked pinned

[cursive jackal]

ok

thank you

[fluid helm]

Np

[tight sail]

Roll the 20 sided die onto 20

[ocean dragon]

Y'all gonna make me craft a new lion sword and put salty on it to do my own testing

[muted cloak]

I have my salty lion sword but not maxed yet, so I’m working on mine

[ocean dragon]

I have a 6 spicy one but never bothered to go 7. The extra damage from 6 to 7 doesn't seem necessary

[muted cloak]

Yeh I’ll have them both ready today. So I will have a few swings at roly poly

[quaint smelt]

that's what we've all been doing

[pseudo topaz]

Is there any consensus on salt being the best against antlions? I read the lists here and watched some YouTube videos and found it was 50/50 on whether salt or mighty is the best against them

[quaint smelt]

honestly, thats the one thing i never tested. i would have to assume salty, cuz its super effective against them and would defeat the purpose of elements if even the proper element was weaker than mighty

[boreal birch]

Salty is best against Antlions. Spicy against Roly Polys. The only way someone would be getting different results is if they are using Mutations such as Coup de Grass which triggers random Crits 25% of the time. I even restested yesterday and showed screen grabs against the Roly Poly and Spicy was clearly better.

[quiet root]

Yup tested too looks like they changed Roly Polys to spicy. It was salty in PTS though. I also found diving bell spiders are weak to salty not mighty. I tested with all 4 types of bone spears. Great job on the list though it’s really well made

[wanton geode]

Yo why does my castle have so much grass in it now? I chopped them all off since the shroom and doom update

[boreal birch]

Thanks I'll re-check Diving Bells. I think I tested Bone Daggers against them in each upgrade. I really hope they just add this info to the game because it's a pain figuring it all out.

[pseudo topaz]

I appreciate the fact that you and others are working on figuring it all out though

If that counts for anything

[wanton geode]

Yo why does my castle have so much grass in it now? I chopped them all off since the shroom and doom update

[scarlet pumice]

Remember, even if something resists Generic, the Club of the Mother Demon's sheer damage will overcome that easily. It's completely viable to carry 3 different spiced ones at all times. Antlions resist the damage and I still kill them in 4 hits with a salty one. Same as my salty greatsword.

[sand socket]

The system really needs to be fleshed out because so far there doesnt seems to be a reason to make different weapons. The antlion greatsword and club of the mother demon's will just outdamage everything even if resisted, especially the antlion greatsword

[river flicker]

The salt morning star is pretty good

That with buff lungs and coup de grass its pretty good

[wanton geode]

It stuns antlions too many times I'm just sitting there smacking there butt lol litterally. They can't do anything

[spare tusk]

Hey guys, new here to thread, i've been also doing some testing and my first conclusion is that the system is still unreliable to pin point what kind of the weapon (stabbing, chopping, smashing, generic or slashing) is best for each creature. On the other hand, the augmented is possible to get a result as you can test all 4 variations with one weapon.

[wanton geode]

At this point make a build that seems best to u

[spare tusk]

in other words... you agree. 😂

[wanton geode]

Yup

[muted cloak]

Perhaps

[hearty matrix]

Does anyone have the milk molar map ?

[ocean dragon]

Separate thread

#molarlocations

[hearty matrix]

@ocean dragon thanks

[spare hedge]

@boreal birch I got video of stunning the assistant manager with the salt morning star. I wonder if the assistant manager was glitched when you did your testing. The vid is slightly too large to upload here sadly.

Got a rushed shorter version so I could upload