Eirdu strategy

[gilded marten]

Should I change my eirdu deck focused more on tokens and convoke rather than just fishing for an inf combo with persist? It feels like it’s pretty easy to stop. If so, what could I change? https://moxfield.com/decks/Vlnv8HIBLUuUTdBQbxFU2Q

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More protection spells like [[ enter the avatar state ]] could help?

[fair plank]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/18/enter-the-avatar-state

Enter the Avatar State <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant — Lesson
Until end of turn, target creature you control becomes an Avatar in addition to its other types and gains flying, first strike, lifelink, and hexproof. (A creature with hexproof can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.)
"The glow is the combination of all your past lives, focusing their energy through your body." —Avatar Roku

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Then it's harder for them to get rid of your combo pieces

[[ armor of shadows ]][[ galadrial dismissal ]] [[ surge of salvation ]][[ and [[loran's escape ]]

[fair plank]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/112/armor-of-shadows

Armor of Shadows <:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Until end of turn, target creature gets +1/+0 and gains indestructible. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
"What's softer than silk, stronger than steel, and quieter than thought?" —Warlock riddle

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/500/galadriels-dismissal

Galadriel's Dismissal <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Target creature phases out. If this spell was kicked, each creature target player controls phases out instead. (Treat phased-out creatures and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until their controller's next turn.)

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/41/surge-of-salvation

Surge of Salvation <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
You and permanents you control gain hexproof until end of turn. Prevent all damage that black and/or red sources would deal to creatures you control this turn.
No Meletian had ever laid eyes on an angel, but when protective Halo flooded the Multiverse, they knew a divine blessing was at hand.

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/14/lorans-escape

Loran's Escape <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Target artifact or creature gains hexproof and indestructible until end of turn. Scry 1.
As Terisia City burned, Feldon pressed the sylex into Loran's hands and urged her to run. Hope ran with her.

[gilded marten]

I could do that, but Ill need to find stuff to remove

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You also don't have enough sac outlets like [[ ashnod altar ]] [[ phyrexian altar ]] [[ arcbound ravager ]][[ altar of dementia ]]

[fair plank]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/368/ashnods-altar

Ashnod's Altar <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Add .
"If you work at sawing up carcasses, you notice how the joints fit, how the nerves are arrayed, and how the skin peels back." —Ashnod, to Tawnos

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/311/phyrexian-altar

Phyrexian Altar <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Add one mana of any color.
"Unskin these impure bodies, Great Yawgmoth, that the flesh may welcome your blessings." —Phyrexian Scriptures

https://scryfall.com/card/mma/198/arcbound-ravager

Arcbound Ravager <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Beast
Sacrifice an artifact: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Modular 1 (This creature enters with a +1/+1 counter on it. When it dies, you may put its +1/+1 counters on target artifact creature.)
0/0

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/218/altar-of-dementia

Altar of Dementia <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Target player mills cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power.
"It is not that you will go mad. It is that you will beg for madness." —Volrath

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Wait NVM you have most of those

[gilded marten]

Only one I didn’t have was arcbound

I’ll add that since it’s just pretty good

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[[ bitterblossom ]] [[ inkshield ]][[ dark ritual ]] [[ enlightened tutor ]] could probably all be cut

[fair plank]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/69/bitterblossom

Bitterblossom <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Kindred Enchantment — Faerie
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life and create a 1/1 black Faerie Rogue creature token with flying.
In Lorwyn's brief evenings, the sun pauses at the horizon long enough for a certain species of violet to bloom with the fragrance of mischief.

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/221/inkshield

Inkshield <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to you this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, create a 2/1 white and black Inkling creature token with flying.
Silverquill's elite know how to offer a scathing rebuttal without uttering a word.

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/82/dark-ritual

Dark Ritual <:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Add .

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/6/enlightened-tutor

Enlightened Tutor <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Search your library for an artifact or enchantment card, reveal it, then shuffle and put that card on top.
"Organization is often undervalued but rarely unjustified." —Frasio, royal archivist

[gilded marten]

The tutor helps me search for combo pieces

And inkshield is just fun

I can get rid of dark ritual and bitterblossom

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[[ charismatic conqueror ]] and [[ braids, arisen nightmare ]] maybe?

[fair plank]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/70/charismatic-conqueror

Charismatic Conqueror <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Vampire Soldier
Vigilance
Whenever an artifact or creature an opponent controls enters untapped, they may tap that permanent. If they don't, you create a 1/1 white Vampire creature token with lifelink.
"There's a whole world under the surface, waiting for the light of our salvation."
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/82/braids-arisen-nightmare

Braids, Arisen Nightmare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Nightmare
At the beginning of your end step, you may sacrifice an artifact, creature, enchantment, land, or planeswalker. If you do, each opponent may sacrifice a permanent of their choice that shares a card type with it. For each opponent who doesn't, that player loses 2 life and you draw a card.
3/3

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Regarding the initial question, they both work, but I think I would lean graveyard etb stuff instead, just because it's more fun to me

If you do end up going tokens I would put big x spells and spells to create lots of tokens at once

[gilded marten]

Eh I’m already building a different token deck so I’ll just have this be persist and etb

I could add charismatic conq for some early game tokens to convoke with

Also just gets some bodies out to sac later

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Yeah that's why if I ever actually end up building the deck id probably lean the same way

[gilded marten]

Oh wait I alr have it lol

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My issue is what value do you get from them entering tapped?

With cards like smothering tithe or rhystic studies I just always pay it unless I really need the creature

Eirdu isn't really a commander that typically wins with combat damage in my experience

[gilded marten]

Lifelink is nice for extra survivability