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#Pell's Personal Deckbuilding Enclave
lucid loom
junior meteor
but you can't do that line under irencrag, you need at least 6 mana (?) and geosurge gets you there
junior meteor
yeah i think im gonna swap it, if the color thing becomes a problem i will find a way to deal with irencrag
but i think it's better
i am still at 103 
i am on enough interaction that i probably do not require Fury
junior meteor
okay i will not cut down from my current level of interaction
this is my entire interaction suite
oh, im not on the triskelavus kill line anymore so i can probably drop goblin recruiter again
although second copy of crime novelist is pretty big
lucid loom
this might stick out as odd: how much value are you finding from Ragavan?
junior meteor
a lot, little dude makes a treasure
fixes a lot of problems with getting to early jaws
if he were a red llanowar elf i think he would be worse
junior meteor
he does, and i think he'll help with keeping heat off of jaws himself
junior meteor
oh im big on warfare
lucid loom
I know
junior meteor
ojer goes before warfare every time for me i think
lucid loom
you're just on 3 cards over
junior meteor
yeah
it is rough
3 is such an annoying number to be over too
i can't cut anything that sacs an artifact, i am already literally as low as i can be on those effects
maybe i drop lotus petal?
but it's so nice for just getting those early turns
lucid loom
are you gonna be able to loop petal?
lucid loom
I think its a fine cut
lucid loom
what is Tez often doing? what abilities?
lucid loom
is the 0 just for Jaws?
junior meteor
he's going in to get currency converter, sol ring, or a stax piece
0 is actually for a lot of stuff
one ring, converter, mana rocks
hedron detonator if you have to
junior meteor
a lot
that's the entirety of my card draw
im not even on idol of oblivion in this list
lucid loom
hedron detonator if you have to
what'd you call me?
junior meteor
😛
lucid loom
so your shields for Jaws are Ojer, Knuckles, and Gogo (kinda)
Imma be honest, idk if you can keep Zhao
I I like Zhao a lot and I know you do too
junior meteor
zhao might have to go but i really like that card
slows the game down just enough for jaws to do his thing
lucid loom
I will support leaning into keeping a pet card
junior meteor
but you know thats not how i roll
if zhao is the worst card here it's the worst card here
lucid loom
but if you are leaning into streamlining the deck a bit more, then I think its Zhao's time to go to the sideboard
lucid loom
but you know thats not how i roll
yes
its how I try to roll more often than not but not how everyone does
I may ask you, once we get this thing to 100, for a bit of a look at a list I have considered throwing down with against yall
lucid loom
yeah
junior meteor
this is turn 4 i have cast seething song, geosurge, and jeska's will
having 2nd copy of seething song feels incredible
junior meteor
notably i cast that firesinger the turn before needing it and it still works
i think that card's just good here
im trying to play through some opening hands to see what looks bad
is really what im doing
lucid loom
oh god lol
lucid loom
look, i like fury a lot
yes
lucid loom
but it might be the worst form of interaction i have
yes
junior meteor
i dont like losing cards in hand
lucid loom
lemee tell ya, Canlander def pilled my brain for some commander brews
and it led me to running some stuff that's better in 1v1 than in multiplayer
Fury is very good but not nearly as powerful in this format
junior meteor
yeah
1 cut
do i go down to 34 lands
i can pretty consistently run on low lands here
it's either that or ojer goes out to pasture
wait, no
i'm already at 100 lmao
no need for another cut
petal, zhao, and fury
ok storm please ping me with your list
(also i think the place where i bump this up to just being a c list is wherein i cut 3 lands for mana vault, LED, and underworld breach, which i think is a fine place to be)
(oh and probably something for a reb)
junior meteor
someday they will print a creature that removes a +1/+1 counter to make some sort of noncreature artifact token
even 2, i would take 2
junior meteor
@thorny plinth i forgot [[sandstone needle]]
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This land enters tapped with two depletion counters on it.
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junior meteor
i knew i forgot something
junior meteor
I rewrote this section.
I'm gonna retool it later because this isn't just a c primer, and I should really expound on that 3rd paragraph and reword some stuff in the 2nd.
junior meteor
Weird Satya question here: Should I be on [[Emeritus of Truce]] over [[Broadside Bombardiers]] now?
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When this creature enters, target player creates a 1/1 white and black Inkling creature token with flying. Then if an opponent controls more creatures than you, this creature becomes prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
3/3
Swords to Plowshares 
Instant
Exile target creature. Its controller gains life equal to its power.
junior meteor
Bombardiers is way better at ending games but is notably somewhat worse at removing blockers, something I kinda like out of Truce
I like removing blockers so much that I am currently cloning Summon Yojimbo
lucid loom
if you're repeating Emeritus you might actually make it harder to end the game lol
thorny plinth
I don't think so. Satya is rarely down on creatures
lucid loom
Im thinking about the additional life adding up, but its probably fine
junior meteor
yeah, i think i've come to the conclusion that it's probably worse than the 2 cards competing against it
it's currently competing with Broadside (easier to cast, ends games) and Reflector Mage (frequently better than casting STP)
peak shuttle
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thorny plinth
Hey Pell, thoughts on [[manhole cover]] for Jaws
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Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant.)
When this artifact enters, target creature gains indestructible until end of turn. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
, Sacrifice this artifact: Target player draws a card.
junior meteor
Hey Pell, thoughts on [[manhole cover]] for Jaws
i think this is pretty solid but doesn't do what silver shroud or smoke bomb does for protecting the shark, however it does have the funny consequence of killing thoracle players
or cycling itself, obviously
thorny plinth
It also can just make an opponent's thing indestructible
junior meteor
yeah very true
thorny plinth
Mica is absurd
He just works with rocks so well he can turn them into spells.
But did you just notice he was uncommon?
junior meteor
yeah
thorny plinth
Yeah, pEDH is excited
junior meteor
i think personally it's really easy to turn Mica into a lot of mana and cards
thorny plinth
I've seen people talk about how his ward doesn't do much, I think he's part of a point of red being able to layer the effect
junior meteor
since it's not once per turn you can just do things like seize the spotlight, big score, demand answers, etc. and keep drawing cards and making mana
thorny plinth
So yeah, his ward isn't much, but then if it also has x other wards on top of it?
junior meteor
So yeah, his ward isn't much, but then if it also has x other wards on top of it...
not just that, having a ward trigger at all provides separation between being targeted and the spell resolving which can matter
thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
because it means you can make them pay ward costs and then respond to the thing that triggered ward
it's good, it's not my favorite part of the card
my favorite part is obviously "this spare clue token is actually a second seething song/jeska's will"
and notably he's a deck that can play Mana Geyser
and get real value out of it
thorny plinth
I do feel bad for the people who are trying to say he's just better than shadrix
I understand why they are but I think it's unfair between the cards
[[silverquill the disputant]]
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thorny plinth
They're both 4/4s for 4 that you can sac something to copy an instant or a sorcery. Mica can sacrifice something very low value to do it
junior meteor
i hate to say it but i do think he's better than Shadrix
not even because of the difference in what you sac
it's because he's in a better color to abuse it
silverquill can duplicate black rituals and black tutors but will struggle to actually end a game because duplicating random black spells doesn't win the game
and red has [[underworld breach]]
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junior meteor
and Wheel of Fortune
like, it is an unfortunate contest
i think shadrix is fine, being clear, i do not think it is bad
just that in terms of "colors that can win the game by duplicating specifically instants and sorceries" they chose the color combination that does it the least well for shadrix's text line
another thing to consider is how many great draw/ritual spells in red incidentally produce an artifact token, but in Shadrix's case, not very many high-value instants/sorceries produce both a creature token and draw cards or gain mana in black or white
Shadrix can play a better fair game... but you don't play things that copy spells to play a fair game, typically.
thorny plinth
I love Mica but I'm not looking forward to people mispronouncing his name
thorny plinth
just that in terms of "colors that can win the game by duplicating specifically ...
It's more people saying he's a waste of a mythic 🫤
junior meteor
He is but like, that's because wotc are cowards
It is actually probably moreso that mica's text should not be on an uncommon
If it is going to be better than silverquill's
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thorny plinth
Mica's EDHRec page is already very funny even though he only has a handful of decks because of the divide of what setting he's being built for
I hadn't thought about [[shellshock]] with him
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For each opponent, choose up to one target creature that player controls. Shellshock deals X damage to each of those creatures. You create a Mutagen token for each creature dealt damage this way. (They're artifacts with "
, , Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
junior meteor
Oh I guess I should have gone through the breach line for the primer before i sent it over to jim
but it's really simply
with Mica on board, you land a breach, you cast LED, Cast Wheel of Fortune, use Micah to copy Wheel of Fortune, crack LED while both are on the stack
every wheel of fortune goes down 1 blood but you go +8 cards into grave on the loop instead of +1?
and then once your grave is in your library you just breach lightning bolt over and over and generally that is enough damage to kill the remaining players because we are jaws and are dealing incidental damage
and every 3 blood activations you use before breach saves you an entire LED worth of breach cost
similarly if you don't have wheel or mica yet you can instead just loop LED and whatever blood tokens you have to draw those as cards, too
thorny plinth
Oh, on Wheel, I've been wondering about the Jackal
junior meteor
i think that card is really really bad for jaws
at least the way i've got the deck set up to play your goal is to never be anywhere near hellbent
thorny plinth
I'm just considering it because it gets around some counterspells but it probably is too telegraphed
junior meteor
well the thing is it doesn't really get around the counterspells
thorny plinth
I keep forgetting it doesn't enter prepared
junior meteor
because they can still counter the wheel
if it was an activated ability wheel like magus of the wheel i think i agree it's worth looking into
junior meteor
and actually, on that note, probably just run Magus of the Wheel
especially if you're already on lightning greaves
im not on greaves but if i was on welder stuff i probably would be
idk i kinda liked that guy in theory but i looked at how i've built and im like
extremely averse to having less than 4 cards in hand
mostly because of how much value i have put behind the blood tokens, they're a lot worse if you can't actually use them to cycle into things
thorny plinth
I have been considering [[alhammaret's archive]]
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thorny plinth
Like, yes, it's 5 mana but as you said welder or I'm still using Tannuk fixes that issue
junior meteor
i think if im on that i am probably on welder/engineer/whatever
but still
actually, it costs 5 and it's an artifact
i can theoretically just cast this off a geosurge or a spare seething song or whatever
thorny plinth
nod
But yeah, just a "no I'm going to be card positive here"
Feels like a good finisher move setup
junior meteor
idk if it'll end up in my high 4 fringe c list
but i think i'll try it in b3 at least
there are a lot of slots im not super thrilled with at all times so swapping one out for some extra draw is probably fine
also, mxkale, idk if you're on the radiant lotus
but i think you really should be
idk how i slept on this card for so long
thorny plinth
I've just seen the mana be redirected
That's why I'm not
I felt it was a sign that, at my LGS at least, there was a greater than average chance I wouldn't get the mana
That seemed like an issue (tm)
[[radiant lotus]] the "target player adds" part
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, Sacrifice one or more artifacts: Choose a color. Target player adds three mana of the chosen color for each artifact sacrificed this way.
After devastation, hope bloomed.
thorny plinth
Untimely malfunction, return the favor, reroute, redirect lightning, willbender, bolt bend, deflecting swat, etc.
If your players don't do that sort of nonsense, I recommend Lotus definitely
If they do though
junior meteor
if people are willing to burn a redirect on my radiant lotus i will generally allow them to do it
i don't really pop for more than 1 or 2 at a time anyway unless im really going off
thorny plinth
I also seem to attract borderline spite plays
Where I'm just not allowed to do things
junior meteor
yeah jaws kinda gets those too
sometimes people will just bounce my shit even if there's people doin stuff at the table
thorny plinth
Yep
Like Medea talking about almost decking herself with Choco and I've only ever been allowed to attack with 3 birds
So I'm just sort of used to it
junior meteor
homie of mine will be selling me a silver scroll Big Score
so i will have to build Mica at some point
junior meteor
i think i wanna try to take the logical extension of what im doing with jaws a bit further
icy lodge
I actually included Jaws in my brew lol
junior meteor
and that might mean that jaws ends up in the mica deck and not the other way around
yeah
unsure which is better
mica requires me to run significantly less questionable cards but isn't quite as consistent as a draw engine
icy lodge
If it’s ever in paper I’m just hoping my friend can do the thing he did with his copy again and make a readable version of Jaws
junior meteor
This list is super boring but it does have some very quick kills in it
you could also run a Blasting Station in here to loop Voldaren Epicure for tokens
[[blasting station]]
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junior meteor
yeah ok that's how it works
epicure, as long as you have 3 opponents, is functionally still lightning bolt
but importantly this will up your artifact count for mica
and then you can start your breaching
junior meteor
this list isnt a particularly good list but i think it probably goes close enough in the direction Mica is probably going anyway?
junior meteor
so after the talking earlier i think one problem Jaws has is how quickly it turns into 4-drop Typal
Mica is good, Knuckles is good, Treasonous Ogre is good, Longshot is good
but im unsure how many of those are realistic if you want to still be able to play the game
remote coral
gut take is that ogre and longshot are more cuttable than mica or knuckles
mica depends on the rest of the deck
Knuckles is insane tho
junior meteor
I don't think ogre is really that cuttable
channel is still channel, even if it costs 3 life or 4 mana to cast
and in a deck that is this mana hungry that's a huge benefit
short flare
Yeah I kind of feel like ogre would be my last, or second to last cut
junior meteor
i think mica and longshot are cuttable but that might also just be that they've been in the deck less time
and thus are less entrenched in my psyche
you can probably play without treasonous ogre but i think the games you have it are ones where you're significantly more likely to win
thorny plinth
gut take is that ogre and longshot are more cuttable than mica or knuckles
I agree on this
junior meteor
Either way, they're all still something I need to consider when I go to actually finish the primer
thorny plinth
I was going through bulk today and I found a card I'd forgotten about and am now looking at for Jaws again
[[piston sledge]]
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junior meteor
one thing i am surprised by is that Jim's on Mystic Top Longshot/Glaring, but not [[Experimental Frenzy]]
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Enchantment
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells from the top of your library.
You can't play lands or cast spells from your hand.
: Destroy this enchantment.
Turns out coffee is the weird aunt of invention.
thorny plinth
It's only ever been printed in Mirrodin Besieged
But it's also, thankfully only 10 cents
junior meteor
i played that standard format
LMAO
weird that i've never seen this card before but also
👀
extra sac outlet
thorny plinth
With great/accurate flavor text "Only the goblins could make a simple machine so complex."
junior meteor
me too, goblins
me too
it is notably a very slow sac outlet, you can only do it at sorcery speed
but i think the autoequip maybe makes it worth it?
junior meteor
I was talkin about how the deck quickly becomes 4drop typal but forgot to mention Gogo
who also contributes to the deck becoming 4 drop typal
but it is probably the best damage increaser because it's also a token doubler
junior meteor
Someone remind me to ask Jim about his thoughts on the deck once the video is out too, more data points
Jim plays against better players than I typically do lmao
thorny plinth
Video?
junior meteor
Video?
Jim played Jaws with the Spike Feeders for video content on Friday
and even won a game against like, actual real cEDH decks
(idk how the others went)
but it was a pod with Kefka, Lumra, and Tayam (?)
i wanna say it was that
thorny plinth
If it was spike feeders yes, Elliot plays Tayam
junior meteor
i was sure on tayam
i was less sure on lumra actually lmao
idr if he said exactly how that game went, but i know it involved Skullcrack
which is interesting at least, since this deck really does lose to The One Ring
it was indeed Jaws, Lumra, Tayam, and Kefka
junior meteor
Did some very basic analysis that could probably be done better with more thorough work, but this is what ends up as "core" to the deck by people that are currently bringing it to events
now personally i actually don't like fetches in this deck, not because of blood moon but because they unnecessarily open me up to oppo
but they do fuel breach and i cannot deny that
thorny plinth
I'd agree with that list as the core for competitive
I still like [[Winter moon]] in the list though
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thorny plinth
So there's at least 10 flex slots?
junior meteor
that is 60 cards or whatever
exactly 60
add the remaining 7-8 lands and that's really where the wiggle room starts
thorny plinth
I'd counted 80
So 20-(7 or 8) is where i got 10
My attention span is shot this morning
thorny plinth
That's very cool that Jim played your list though. I meant to say that
thorny plinth
Ahh
junior meteor
it was kind of an amalgamation of what I sent and some cEDH lists he found from what i could tell
did include the Radiant Lotus at least 😛
thorny plinth
Again, I didn't say it's a bad card. I said that I felt my store was more likely to backfire if I played it
junior meteor
junior meteor
Again, I didn't say it's a bad card. I said that I felt my store was more likely...
oh i meant moreso that i think i'm the one that's really added that to what the deck should probably be running
if nothing else is my addition, that one is
thorny plinth
tangle wire is very good here
junior meteor
Jim's list is a little higher on CMC than mine is since it includes more 4-drops and a Neheb, Chromatic Orrery, and GPS
yeah, Tanglewire was something I've been on and off about recently
i think we play through tanglewire quite well
thorny plinth
Yeah, blood is great for it
junior meteor
only concern really is that i like actually using my blood tokens so tapping them is unideal
but it's way worse for my opponents
and solvable by... going a single extra turn with jaws in play
thorny plinth
Yes, but you can sac blood you tap with other effects, you just have to balance it
junior meteor
i will say i do not like the GPS
i'm not big on GPS in EDH at all
a lot of the time it is 6 mana lose the game
thorny plinth
I like it in very few decks
junior meteor
i think we produce enough mana, generally, once things are online, that it's probably fine and i'm on record saying that pretty much any soft stax piece is fine
thorny plinth
Like, Belbe and Bello I think
junior meteor
yeah
thorny plinth
Daretti
junior meteor
and then Jim was the one that pointed out to me the Longshot + Top + Mystic Forge thing
which is really interesting because Longshot is just a good card in the deck generally
discount cards = good
[[Longshot Rebel Bowman]]
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Reach (This creature can block creatures with flying.)
Noncreature spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Longshot deals 2 damage to each opponent.
He rarely used words, but then again, he rarely needed them.
3/3
junior meteor
thorny plinth
Yes, if you're on it then yes
junior meteor
i think i like having mystic top
and if you're on mystic top you should probably be on fleshraker AND longshot
more outs to kill are more outs to kill
thorny plinth
You probably should also be on [[Powerbalance]]
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junior meteor
im also not entirely opposed to running [[Experimental Frenzy]], other people have been doing pretty well with it
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You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells from the top of your library.
You can't play lands or cast spells from your hand.
: Destroy this enchantment.
Turns out coffee is the weird aunt of invention.
junior meteor
concern with frenzy for me is that if you're running a higher-CMC build you more easily brick yourself
junior meteor
You probably should also be on [[Powerbalance]]
i think this is real too
thorny plinth
Oh, I think I sort of realized why Mica exists
I think he actually is a second shadrix because Mardu seems like a fairly common limited build for SOS
junior meteor
ah
remote coral
It is early, what's GPS here?
thorny plinth
[[god pharoah's statue]]
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Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
At the beginning of your end step, each opponent loses 1 life.
A dictator's infuriating smirk, an affront to everything Ravnica stood for.
junior meteor
It is early, what's GPS here?
[[God-Pharaoh's Statue]]
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Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
At the beginning of your end step, each opponent loses 1 life.
A dictator's infuriating smirk, an affront to everything Ravnica stood for.
thorny plinth
I really start wondering if God Pharoah isn't the point that it just becomes a creativity deck
[[indomitable creativity]]
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remote coral
I'm not flirting w C yet but I love creativity in this deck
thorny plinth
I have a creativity and I don't remember where the heck it is as it doesn't seem to be in a current list, which is now bothering me
remote coral
I went out of my way for a foil but it is a whole $0.50
thorny plinth
Foil is still illegible for me 90% of the time insert this is worthless to me meme
remote coral
It's real pretty but I get that
I'll splurge a bit for cards / decks that excite me
thorny plinth
I missed the price crashed out again entirely
remote coral
GPS i probably would not jump from $0.50 to $10-$15 for a foil
thorny plinth
remote coral
Jeez did it spike for comp play? 🤔
thorny plinth
Yep
I know Reid Duke won a PT with it, but that was in February 25
Was trying to find what caused the original, earlier, super large spike
thorny plinth
I feel like it was pioneer
junior meteor
Does this make sense or do I need to explain more?
Basically I realized you actually do more damage with Mica Breach Wheel by using Prized Statue instead of Lightning Bolt or anything
oh, i need to change the first line of the first section
i think i should retype this, maybe
thorny plinth
My problem is I keep thinking about [[farid]]
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tawny zephyr
[[farid | brc]]?
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Whenever a nontoken artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, create a colorless artifact token named Scrap.
, Sacrifice an artifact: Choose one —
• Put a +1/+1 counter on Farid. It gains menace until end of turn.
• Goad target creature.
• Discard a card, then draw a card.
3/3
thorny plinth
Because he gives additional tokens but that falls off really fast in Jaws
junior meteor
i'm just not entirely sure how good it is 
Also, I realized actually you dont even need KCI to do this loop
you just need any repeatable artifact sac outlet
because Prized Statue pays for itself
junior meteor
@lucid loom @remote coral sorry to ping you, do you mind looking at this to make sure it is readable and does not read like the ravings of someone who has lost all sense
take ur time it doesnt have to be immediately
I should probably also mention that if you run out of artifacts to use to sac for Mica to duplicate wheel, it's still more efficient to cast an extra LED every loop since that results in +5 cards in grave, rather than +1.
remote coral
<@623727335090290688> <@270419605997092864> sorry to ping you, do you mind looki...
I am about to drive home from ye olde lgs, will take a look in ~15 min
junior meteor
thank you carson
remote coral
I ain't reading that on my phone 😂
junior meteor
UNDERSTANDABLE
remote coral
But also I gotchu homie
junior meteor
oh, i need to also fix a reference to KCI, this combo is KCI-agnostic, the sac outlet can be anything
remote coral
<@623727335090290688> <@270419605997092864> sorry to ping you, do you mind looki...
this reads fine to me
junior meteor
this reads fine to me
I have an inquiry that might make it read better, actually. Do you think the combo that puts my deck in my grave should be separate from the kill combo when the deck is in the grave entirely? There's more than one way to breach my deck into grave, after all.
Good example: Prized Statue + Grinding Station does it if you've got a lot of colorless mana, etc.
remote coral
I think they can be distinct parts, especially with multiple other ways to fill your yard
"this section is about putting your deck in your graveyard"
"this completely separate section is about how you kill someone with a full graveyard and underworld breach"
remote coral
I think it will look cleaner that way
junior meteor
yeah
junior meteor
Okay so I did this
and i have a section for the mica line as well
fixed some clunky wording in the final section there
junior meteor
okay that one's done 
Prized Statue is a part of every breach line I listed outside of just wheel spamming, and I don't really know any without it.
I should probably find some!
junior meteor
I FORGOT TO INCLUDE GRAPESHOT.
Grapeshot is unironically just the easiest way to kill with this, but you have to be running Grapeshot which sucks
dapper mortar
That’s like the storm equivalent of forgetting to add sol ring
junior meteor
i do think it's too slow
but that doesn't mean I shouldn't include it
also this deck really doesn't kill at instant speed anyway unless you're under ezone
junior meteor
That’s like the storm equivalent of forgetting to add sol ring
look sometimes it's a fake card
it doesnt even produce red mana umaru
but yeah, i think probably if i am including storm-based breach kill lines, i should include grapeshot
i should probably also include the Jeska's Will variant of the Breach Wheel stuff, as well.
junior meteor
okay so
primer list's landbase is done???
I think I'm gonna swap Bloodstained Mire for Arid Mesa and maybe we'll go up a mountain but probably not
(bloodstained mire for arid mesa so that it's worse for Dauthi piles, even though those don't really matter, i've only ever seen someone crack a dauthi for a land a single time)
im not entirely sure why neither i nor fucking anyone have been on [[Shinka the Bloodsoaked Keep]] up until this point
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Legendary Land
: Add .
, : Target legendary creature gains first strike until end of turn.
The glow from within looks inviting, but woe awaits whomever finds out who stokes the fire or what simmers in the pot.
junior meteor
but i noticed it in the magda primer and i was like "wait, first strike is really good in this deck and it will deter people from blocking jaws"
obviously i would prefer i did not spend 2 mana for first strike but i also would prefer people didnt block me
and we can't always get what we want
junior meteor
Lands section of the primer is up, with explanations of why each card is or is not in the primer list.
tawny zephyr
but i noticed it in the magda primer and i was like "wait, first strike is reall...
if you have the space, I don't see why not. 2mv for repeatable first strike on a land seems very good
junior meteor
if you have the space, I don't see why not. 2mv for repeatable first strike on a...
i was on 10 basic mountains, the space is just cutting a basic mountain for a land that is functionally the same but adds first strike
tawny zephyr
plus if you want you have the kick ass lotr scene art version which has helms deep
tawny zephyr
i was on 10 basic mountains, the space is just cutting a basic mountain for a la...
oh, E Z switch
junior meteor
there's some of these inclusions that are questionable and i for sure call them out
like one guy was on Command Tower
homie command tower taps for red with no other text
tawny zephyr
right
junior meteor
but when something's good i say include it
great example: [[spire of industry]] or [[ramunap ruins]]
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Land
: Add 
.
, Pay 1 life: Add one mana of any color. Activate only if you control an artifact.
A beacon of prosperity to some, a shadow of oppression to others.
Land — Desert
: Add .
, Pay 1 life: Add .
, , Sacrifice a Desert: This land deals 2 damage to each opponent.
junior meteor
i think both of these? pretty good
tawny zephyr
like one guy was on Command Tower
I mean. MAYBE if you were on like [[you find some prisoners]] theft stuff, but 90% of those cards printed in the last decade have had "you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color" text
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junior meteor
i need some number of colorless lands or i cannot cast Glaring Fleshraker
but being able to tap for red is important
tawny zephyr
Yeah colorless utility lands in mono c which can also tap for r is v good
junior meteor
i ended up going with Spire of Industry for the primer list because i'm gonna be on Engineered Explosives in the primer list, so being able to tap for other colors is big
tawny zephyr
sure sure sure
junior meteor
Hey gamers, I was looking at cards with Delirium because I know how easy it is to trigger in Jaws
[[Violent Urge]] is a card I've never fucking seen
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junior meteor
is this better than [[twinferno]]
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junior meteor
both modes are relevant and it costs 1 less, but can't copy a wheel or REB or whatever
copying interaction is a relevant mode of Twinferno but not actually all that relevant
junior meteor
Another card I'm considering, and I don't know if it's actually good, is [[Highway Robbery]]
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Sorcery
You may discard a card or sacrifice a land. If you do, draw two cards.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
The fires weren't even out before the backstabbing began.
junior meteor
the discard/sac isn't for cost, and i can plot this in advance to use later at no upcharge?
thorny plinth
I personally don't like it outside of the plot
I have [[romantic rendezvous]] in probably the same slot because I like that I can use it if my hand is empty
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junior meteor
I personally don't like it outside of the plot
i like the option to use it on a breach turn to turn my lands into cards
instead of having to go even on handsize
that's really it though
thorny plinth
Run artifact lands? (Mostly joking)
tawny zephyr
i think im only on one <:SCGbigsad:632894460505751553>
I mean you only have 4 options, no?
thorny plinth
Not even treasure land?!
junior meteor
no
tawny zephyr
Great Furnace, Darksteel Citadel, Scene of the Crime, Power Depot and I think thats it
Oh the treasure land too
junior meteor
Treasure Vault
junior meteor
yeah those are the only options
im not on great furnace because i think that card is not very good
thorny plinth
The treasure land just let's you filter mana to more artifacts
junior meteor
it's better when you don't have the artifact count for mox opal and need to pad
if scene entered untapped i'd play it
because i'd be able to immediately cycle it
but the fact that i cannot cycle it means it has injrued me, personally
same with power depot, i'd love to play it but entering tapped kills me
the only one i can really justify is Treasure Vault and im not on that one because i think it is worse than a basic mountain at my current land suite
if i went up to 28 it'd be treasure vault though
KCI lets you turn blood tokens into treasures 1:1 with it which is so sick
and any other time that land feels really bad and dies to Meltdown
tawny zephyr
My Prosper’s on 26 including mdfcs
junior meteor
im gonna be for real im not even 100% on sokenzan, it's here because Knuckles the Echidna is the best red creature they've ever printed
tawny zephyr
Not really relevant just interesting to see comprable numbers between high powered artifact decks
junior meteor
but i dont know if it really has it like that
tawny zephyr
im gonna be for real im not even 100% on sokenzan, it's here because Knuckles th...
Eh its a basic mountain with upside
Like sometimes it makes flash blockers
junior meteor
i dont even know if that's a controversial statement but knuckles is so good it makes me want to play cards i think are dogshit
just to make him better
short flare
im gonna be for real im not even 100% on sokenzan, it's here because Knuckles th...
Still ragavan sadly
junior meteor
i would cut ragavan before i cut knuckles at this point
no question
i think my 2nd best isnt even rags
it's facebreaker
(i should be clear i am lying on every account here, the actual best red creature ever printed is Treasonous Ogre)
short flare
Nope, still ragavan lol
junior meteor
nah
tawny zephyr
Nope, still ragavan lol
Whats better? Channel or a power crept jackal pup
short flare
Whats better? Channel or a power crept jackal pup
Still the jackal pup sadly. There are a minority of decks and circumstances where you would rather have ogre over ragavan, and almost all of them occur in this single format
junior meteor
coughing baby or nuclear bomb
i dont even know if rags clears DRC
and i definitely rate DRC lower than trogre
short flare
Drc competes
thorny plinth
Treasonous ogre is one I've generally rated as fine
And I've gone down to single digit life totals using it
junior meteor
i think it's really hard though because you have to consider context, like in legacy trogre has been a problem multiple times, but ragavan is banned, meanwhile in this format i think trogre is miles better
thorny plinth
We have 40 life
junior meteor
almost exclusively because of the inflated life, yeah
also we just kinda have more to do with that mana
winning in legacy doesn't require the kinds of mana a trogre can realistically produce because they can run 4 copies of rituals
and also they need less powerful win conditions
a 6/6 flyer is a regular win condition in legacy, we're looking at people testing that new 2 mana boros guy
short flare
Its honestly that legacy craves blue and black over red mana
junior meteor
also that, yeah
short flare
If ogre made rainbow mana it might be the best red creature ever
But it doesnt, and is actually quite awkward in many circumstance
Which is why it doesn't see steady legacy play, and regularly gets cut from 3c+ in cedh
junior meteor
wait gamers we've actually missed something very important
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junior meteor
i can't wait to be on it again i miss it
also i realized at some point that actually [[Blazing Firesinger]] is worse than mind goblin most of the time
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Creature — Dwarf Bard
This creature enters prepared. (While it's prepared, you may cast a copy of its spell. Doing so unprepares it.)
2/3
Seething Song
Instant
Add .
junior meteor
and mind goblin, in fact, is a goblin
and thus searchable by goblin recruiter
(also i can't believe i forgot that mind goblin is seething song)
well, it's kind of seething song
sometimes you get really unlucky and it's actually open the omenpaths or whatever
and sometimes you get really lucky and it's a discounted geosurge
tawny zephyr
but that means you have to carry around sticket sheets all the time
unless you're playing the digital version of mind goblin
junior meteor
i hate how relevant the fact that things in this deck happen to be goblins is, all the time
tawny zephyr
I play the alchemy version
that's the 1d6 one, yeah?
junior meteor
it's like 50% of the creatures
tawny zephyr
GOD I wish it was normally just 1d6 and not stickers
junior meteor
it's so many that i have considered playing skirk prospector to turn them into mana
tawny zephyr
it's so many that i have considered playing skirk prospector to turn them into m...
honestly I think it'd be worth. At very least prosperctor is mana nuetral
junior meteor
it's so many that [[goblin matron]] of all fucking things looks decent
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junior meteor
so here's the actual list of goblins i frequently play
goblin welder & engineer, these are pretty easy to understand
slobad, the best creature-based sac outlet
short flare
Prospector is a wild cantor at baseline
junior meteor
crime novelist, a combo piece and noted important part of the deck you should not be playing without
mind goblin if i was smart
it's uh
[[blood pet]]
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Creature — Thrull
Sacrifice this creature: Add 
.
No thrull has ever been burdened with a long life.
1/1
short flare
Yeah [[wild cantor]]
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Creature — Human Druid
(
can be paid with either or 
.)
Sacrifice this creature: Add one mana of any color.
They are the voice of the wild, crying out with nature's fury and bringing forth its primeval might.
1/1
junior meteor
so sometimes it's a rite of flame or whatever
junior meteor
Yeah [[wild cantor]]
yeah i mentioned blood pet because that's a card i play frequently and never complain about
it is often the best card in a lot of my openers
other goblins include
hedron detonator
this thing happens to just randomly be a fuckin goblin
broadside bombardiers, im off it rn, also a goblin
hexing squelcher, so i can search my deck for my uncounterable
im sure there's another one but i can't remember it
oh, [[treasure nabber]] which i think is actually dogshit but it's like
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junior meteor
very funny so i'll still probably play it sometimes anyway
it's null rod for 3 mana on a goblin
because nobody's gonna look at my board with my artifact sac outlets and still tap rocks unless they're trying to immediately win
but also it means when someone does tap a rock they're probably going to immediately push for a win
i think my biggest problem with nabber is actually that i'd kinda rather just have the fuckin null rod
if im being 100%
sure nabber represents a lot of additional damage and some permanent removal of mana sources from players but it also means my opponents get to make a choice
and i'd rather my opponent never chooses anything if i want a null rod-type effect
okay actual card discussion here
[[unholy heat]]
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junior meteor
this deck gets delirium super easy
do i have a need for 6 damage wherein i could instead [[torch the tower]] and deal 3 and scry and exile the target
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junior meteor
trying to think of the scenarios in which heat is better than torch the tower or just lightning bolt
tranquil onyx
Mostly scenarios where something has enough toughness to actually block the shark I’d assume
thorny plinth
How often are the things you're hitting over 3 toughness/loyalty?
What's your chance of hitting delirium?
junior meteor
my chance of hitting delirium is pretty high, i do it early most games
artifact, instant, sorcery, and land happen by turn 3 a lot of the time
torch is easier to turn on though
thorny plinth
And synergizes in the immediate sense of sacrificing an artifact
junior meteor
yeah
junior meteor
Mostly scenarios where something has enough toughness to actually block the shar...
the only things that are ever regularly big enough to block Jaws are Ob Nix, Ishai, or Dargo, but that's a really good thing to mention actually
Obnix is never getting answered by this, Ishai is probably never getting answered by it
but Dargo can
tranquil onyx
Then the scenarios may be narrow
junior meteor
Dargo however is the single easiest matchup in the entire game
thorny plinth
Would you be better served with a bite spell?
junior meteor
I like The Last Agni Kai, actually, so maybe
although i like my removal to handle Drannith
thorny plinth
[[giantfall]] is one I've been looking at
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junior meteor
yeah, that was one i was on for a bit actually
i might try it again once the primer list is ready and i can actually test things properly again
the other removal spell i like is just running [[wild slash]]
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junior meteor
since this turns off ring protection too
thorny plinth
[[commando raid]] is funny
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thorny plinth
[[kusari gama]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has ": This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn."
Whenever equipped creature deals damage to a blocking creature, this Equipment deals that much damage to each other creature defending player controls.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
junior meteor
here's a crazy thing removal wise
please hear me out
if i see another rhystic slop deck locally i will start playing [[active volcano]]
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thorny plinth
That's not super crazy
junior meteor
im sick of the kinnan, i am sick of ishai
im sick of seeing people Mirrormade for rhystic
i kinda like it in general
most of the best permanents in the game are blue
this even hits [[oboro breezecaller]] to stop those weirdos
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Creature — Moonfolk Wizard
Flying
, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Untap target land.
"I feel their unnatural influence in the weary, weeping land. Do they care nothing for the creatures who walk below their clouds?" —Eight-and-a-Half-Tails
1/1
junior meteor
it's kind of like a 3rd, worse REB
the concern is im actually looking into maybe including [[Mycosynth Lattice]] + Karn
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junior meteor
and that DOES turn off my REBs
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junior meteor
i actually dont hate Daretti but he costs 4
and our 4 slot is fuckin
WAY too full
there's a lot of competition for a 4 slot in the shark deck
tranquil onyx
Damn wild commando raid and kusari gama sightings in 2026, im reeling 😩
junior meteor
Lmao
thorny plinth
Damn wild commando raid and kusari gama sightings in 2026, im reeling 😩
It's me, this is what my brain is for
tranquil onyx
I have both those cards ftr
junior meteor
so here's the hot take from pell, despite talking about a deck i am pushing to high 4 or fringe c
tranquil onyx
This is not a “what a bad suggestion” kind of reeling
junior meteor
i think commando raid is
actually kinda justifiable
the important thing is that people at the table love it when you answer other peoples' stuff
and so it's an easy way to politick your way into hitting people that you might not otherwise be able to
"if you let me hit you, i have this and can do something about the actual problem at the table" is a huge phrase to be able to say
i think it being 3 mana is rough but if im on Ruby Medallion and Longshot it's less of a problem?
thorny plinth
The problem is you have to hit the person that controlled it
You don't have that power
junior meteor
oh fuck
tranquil onyx
Yeah
junior meteor
nevermind
thorny plinth
There is one that willd o that but you have to prevent the damage you deal iirc
tranquil onyx
Commando raid is target controlled by hit player
junior meteor
i think that card is much less justifiable and i am not beating the illiteracy allegations
i think if i could ping any creature for the damage dealt it'd be huge
i would probably say "you can play this"
i cannot be preventing the damage i deal to do that though :/
just looking at 1cmc removal in red here now
thorny plinth
Also it's just on [[soltari guerillas]] with the thought I had so extra wrong
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Creature — Soltari Soldier
Shadow (This creature can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.)
: The next time this creature would deal combat damage to an opponent this turn, it deals that damage to target creature instead.
3/2
junior meteor
Also it's just on [[soltari guerillas]] with the thought I had so extra wrong
nooooooooo
i also need to look at the available skullcracks to see if skullcrack itself is actually the best option
bc i know it and wild slash are the common ones
but for right now, interaction
thorny plinth
skullcrack is cheapest
junior meteor
well, wild slash is cheapest but conditional
and doesnt prevent healing which i mostly dont care about
other than preventing tayam from winning
thorny plinth
That's really only [[cursed totem]] or graveyard hate
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junior meteor
i dont even know if totem is good here
i'd probably have to not be on cauldron stuff
thorny plinth
[[kumano faces kakazan]]?
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thorny plinth
[[kumano faces]]
junior meteor
grave hate is also rough, which is kinda why i like cauldron
ah this doesnt do it :/
thorny plinth
I like [[stone of erech]] for cheap grave hate
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Legendary Artifact
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
, , Sacrifice Stone of Erech: Exile target player's graveyard. Draw a card.
"At the Stone of Erech they shall stand again and hear there a horn in the hills ringing." —Malbeth the Seer
junior meteor
the stone of erech
i like this one mostly because it doesn't require me to do anything
tayam wins through grafdigger's AND runestone right
they dont cast anything from grave they just bring it back?
[[grafdigger's]] [[weathered runestone]]
junior meteor
oh, doesnt win through cage
we run cage anyway there is no reason not to
there is however a reason not to run runestone obviously
since it would prevent [[prized statue]] loops
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Artifact
When this artifact enters or is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
To the cultists, the sacred idol was priceless. To the adventurers, it was worth about two sturdy mules and a barrel of ale.
junior meteor
i wish [[dual shot]] could hit the same target and was just a better forked bolt
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junior meteor
i'd probably play it
thorny plinth
[[Magic missile]] what was its mana cost
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thorny plinth
Dang it
thorny plinth
I couldn't remember if it was 2 or 3
junior meteor
yeah me neither tbh
still on the 1mv removal in red, galvanic blast is the best thing that has come up so far
which was already a card i'd been running lmao
if i did not care so much about my graveyard, grim lavamancer would be close
hmm, i need to figure out who is in charge of the oracle tags
[[implement of combustion]] comes up under otag:removal
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Artifact
, Sacrifice this artifact: It deals 1 damage to target player or planeswalker.
When this artifact is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, draw a card.
A dream of fire lies coiled inside, waiting for its glorious awakening.
junior meteor
oh wait this is player or planeswalker now, nevermind
forgot it got the errata with everything else but was printed just before they did it
is [[impractical joke]] good enough actually
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thorny plinth
I was honestly impressed with it when I saw it
junior meteor
it's 1 mana 3 damage with skullcrack on it
sorcery is rough but like, ???
checking something, what's the ass on archon of emeria
[[archon of emeria]]
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thorny plinth
Yep
junior meteor
maybe
lava dart is good, and lightning axe is... interesting
but i think galvanic clears lightning axe every time
bolt good card, i dont think this requires much thought
[[lithomantic barrage]] is really close but it doesnt kill tymna and is sorcery speed
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junior meteor
which i dont love
oh wait it does kill tymna
i forgot, momentarily, that tymna was white
HMM.
im gonna keep looking, surely there are better options, but this one is 1 mana kill a dork or kill most important creatures
mutiny is very funny
what important creatures does NEB kill
[[null elemental blast]]
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junior meteor
this kills:
Kinnan
Tymna
Minstrel
lotho, deathrite
derevi, kutzil, faeburrow
mayhem devil, deadpool (notably does not fix the problem deadpool causes)
vivi, ral when flipped
and then every remaining walker that it could blow up is played in Sisay
thorny plinth
I personally like neb a lot
junior meteor
i think it is cool
but my problem with it, primarily, is actually that most things i care about blowing up are monocolor
i can really fuck up a lands player by killing their squandered or whatever
thorny plinth
It's sort of best in b4
junior meteor
okay so
i can neb to hit someone's culling rit
which is INSANELY funny because they'd literally only be helping me
we are down to the letter S after a lot of very mediocre options
[[shattering spree]] is obviously great, but i do need to note [[shellshock]] in this channel
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Sorcery
Replicate (When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
Destroy target artifact.
Instant
For each opponent, choose up to one target creature that player controls. Shellshock deals X damage to each of those creatures. You create a Mutagen token for each creature dealt damage this way. (They're artifacts with ", , Sacrifice this token: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. Activate only as a sorcery.")
junior meteor
as it is removal and a boltwave
wait actually
hear me out here
[[urn of godfire]] ?
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Destroy target creature or enchantment.
Ephara blessed the defenders of Theros with godfire, a Nyx-infused incendiary substance that burned without fuel.
junior meteor
this lets you take kci mana and launder it into red?
and it blows up rhystic/smothering?
thorny plinth
That's a cool idea
junior meteor
man, i'd love to continue going through, but protonvpn stopped working 🙂
really happy with my service lately glad i pay for this
ok vpn working again after complaining
other things i want to try
[[ugin eye of storms]] probably deserves some testing
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Legendary Planeswalker — Ugin
When you cast this spell, exile up to one target permanent that's one or more colors.
Whenever you cast a colorless spell, exile up to one target permanent that's one or more colors.
+2: You gain 3 life and draw a card.
0: Add .
−11: Search your library for any number of colorless nonland cards, exile them, then shuffle. Until end of turn, you may cast those cards without paying their mana costs.
Loyalty: 7
junior meteor
someone in the red discord where people talk about godo is on it rn and liking it
thorny plinth
Maybe
junior meteor
and in terms of deck construction we make way better use out of ugin than they do
personally i think the card is not great but also
what if im looping prized statue
i guess if im doing that im probably winning already actually
junior meteor
anyway, last 2 cards im interested in from the 1cmc removal are wild slash for obvious reasons and [[weight of spires]] ???
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thorny plinth
[[Improvization capstone]]
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junior meteor
That's my general thought. If you're on ugin I feel like you get on capstone
okay so hear me out, i have a card on my to-test list that is also 7 mana
please don't laugh at me
thorny plinth
I don't do that
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junior meteor
so this is red ad naus right
i think this deck is PROBABLY too high on cmc for this
thorny plinth
I know Jim likes it
thorny plinth
My feeling is you need to be able to hit at least 2 cards and be safe from busting
junior meteor
so if i run this, my 2 highest cards are
dargo + radiant lotus
which is exactly 13
if i cut dargo it's radiant + kci?
thorny plinth
I think 2 whiff is ok
junior meteor
idk if im personally ever cutting dargo but it's a think
thorny plinth
Because you'd at least know
junior meteor
yeah
also i wanna be 100% here, if i hit radiant lotus + kci
im probably winning
thorny plinth
Yes
junior meteor
kinda like how people still run razaketh in decks with adnaus
because if they flip razaketh the game ends anyway
or peer, or citadel, etc.
but yeah that's what i was thinking
maybe capstone is better since i dont have to worry
im gonna backburner that thought for later, though
2cmc removal is funny here because red has really good options
Abrade good, probably should be core
it's really hard to justify not being on it
Breath of Darigaaz is something i've enjoyed, to list
junior meteor
it cannot
junior meteor
while you are remembering, i got 2 more to add to my list
thorny plinth
Not redirected but copied
thorny plinth
[[Return the favor]] copying the paradigm trigger
junior meteor
oh you mean for myself
it's cast as well, so as long as i do it in my upkeep, i can cast Twinferno to get 2 copies on any given turn
thorny plinth
I'm wheeling stuff around atm
tawny zephyr
I'm trying to remember the exact
[[capstone]]
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thorny plinth
I think it's someone can copy your paradigm trigger
junior meteor
Cast into the Fire
Chainsaw
they can, and then they get a copy of it every turn as well
thorny plinth
Yes
junior meteor
which is why i said it will lose me the game
junior meteor
its ok
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Instant
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)
- — Copy target instant spell, sorcery spell, activated ability, or triggered ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.
- — Change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.
"Don't you know it's rude not to share?"
thorny plinth
Scryfall is delayed too
junior meteor
haha 2cmc red removal comes up with City in a Bottle
i think the only card people play regularly that is from ARN these days is city of brass
oh, and etali players sometimes play Metamorphosis
thorny plinth
Oubliette could turn up 😆
junior meteor
oh true
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Sorcery
Damage can't be prevented this turn. If a source you control would deal damage this turn, it deals double that damage instead.
Injury
Sorcery
Aftermath (Cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile it.)
Injury deals 2 damage to target creature and 2 damage to target player or planeswalker.
junior meteor
[[call in a professional]]
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junior meteor
[[fear fire foes]]
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junior meteor
funny enough you can x=0 and target something you wouldn't be able to kill in order to ping down a bunch of dorks with this?
[[spider punk]] aka everyone's least favorite counterspell prevention
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junior meteor
ok back to removal
[[stingscourger]] would be nice but only hitting creatures feels a lil bad
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Creature — Goblin Warrior
Echo (At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost.)
When this creature enters, return target creature an opponent controls to its owner's hand.
2/2
tawny zephyr
Estrid fun card. Vivien’s art got previewed for the first time shortly before Estrid got revealed and I made a custom vivien which was functionally Estrid lol
Umbra Armor tokens are sick
junior meteor
i liked playing it before but i took it apart during my depressive episode
junior meteor
so basically the goal is to take what i was doing before (i barely remember) and update it so that my win conditions are now [[tempest technique]] and [[murmuration]]
junior meteor
and to do that im gonna use most of the enchantresses, a lot of 1 mana enchantments, displacer kitten, and [[words of wind]]
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Enchantment
: The next time you would draw a card this turn, each player returns a permanent they control to its owner's hand instead.
"Be logical in all things. Do not allow instinct or passion to cloud your mind." —Volume II, The Book of Insight
thorny plinth
[[pearl-ear imperial]] possibly?
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Legendary Creature — Fox Advisor
Lifelink
Enchantment spells you cast have affinity for Auras. (They cost less to cast for each Aura you control.)
Whenever you cast an Aura spell that targets a modified permanent you control, draw a card. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
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thorny plinth
[[lightwheel enhancements]] is a card my husband has enjoyed in his enchantress deck
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thorny plinth
Just because it's 1 cmc and has some built-in recursion that doesn't involve gy exiling
junior meteor
yeah that's an option as well, probably better than one of the other 1cmcs im on
and pearl ear is probably better than mesa enchantress
also with this being lower bracket i can probably find something over parallax tide
last time i played estrid we didnt have brackets lmao
i'd actually kinda like to just have an aura for 1cmc that enchants any artifact
like maybe [[hardlight containment]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant artifact you control
When this Aura enters, exile target creature an opponent controls until this Aura leaves the battlefield.
Enchanted permanent has ward .
"I have forgotten sleep in their prison." —Korelaa, prison escapee
junior meteor
i was doing a test hand and not having any way outside of estrid to put an aura on a sol ring came up
but basically the combo is you use [[words of wind]] with any enchantress effect to bounce estrid back to hand every time you cast an enchantment, so you can recast her
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Enchantment
: The next time you would draw a card this turn, each player returns a permanent they control to its owner's hand instead.
"Be logical in all things. Do not allow instinct or passion to cloud your mind." —Volume II, The Book of Insight
junior meteor
and then untap all of your lands that tap for multiple mana thanks to auras
and you do this over and over until you have enough stuff to cast [[tempest technique]], draw your deck, and win with like
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junior meteor
either just a bunch of really big guys or whatever
murmuration also works but is a bit slow
you can also use amphibian downpour to draw your deck, the point is to use the enchantresses that care about enchantments/auras entering, not being cast
thorny plinth
[[Quiet disrepair]]?
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junior meteor
that card is really funny
i dont know if it's better than hardlight containment but it is pretty funny
honestly something i dont love about hardlight is that it can't target my stuff
so i can't use it to trim extra enchantresses
oh, something i might wanna consider
path might be better than erode here
not because it exiles
but because erode can hit planeswalkers and thus get redirected to estrid
i like my boardclear options both being creature-only
junior meteor
i should probably be running some way to win at empty deck
considering how easy it is to draw the entire deck
funny enough the estrid loop scales really well because teferi time raveler is also in the deck
so even if you dont really draw many enchantments he's kind of like a backup for any enchantment
i think concordant crossroads should be one of my 1mana enchantments
so that if nothing else i can repeatedly bounce tempest technique and kill my opponents
this is one of those decks that it is very easy for me to optimize the fun out of though
thorny plinth
Concordant is very good in general though
I feel like you might be doing that with the opalescence combo
I love the combo, but I'm just not sure if you're wanting to go that hard in this deck.
[[flickering ward]]?
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
As this Aura enters, choose a color.
Enchanted creature has protection from the chosen color. This effect doesn't remove this Aura.
: Return this Aura to its owner's hand.
thorny plinth
[[whip silk]][[shimmering wings]] are the other two in the Bant part of the cycle
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has reach. (It can block creatures with flying.)
: Return this Aura to its owner's hand.
Llanowar forges weapons of steel. Yavimaya grows her weapons within.
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature (Target a creature as you cast this. This card enters attached to that creature.)
Enchanted creature has flying. (It can't be blocked except by creatures with flying or reach.)
: Return this Aura to its owner's hand.
junior meteor
i think flickering ward is definitely real
the other two maybe less-so as i have less of an abundance of blue or green mana
a lot of the time my lotus field/vale ends up making my green or blue
junior meteor
I feel like you might be doing that with the opalescence combo
i took tide out of the list, wave is there mostly so i can remove my own enchantresses, opalescence can probably just come out though
one unfortunate thing about this deck (and it was a problem before) is the on-cast ones are too good and will kill me
i might start over again to be more clear about what i want from the deck so i stop including stuff that will make it less fun for me
okay so here's the basic idea
the goal of the deck is to use Tempest Technique or Amphibian Downpour to draw huge amounts of cards with Entity Tracker, Setessan Champion, or Tanglespan Lookout, using Words of Wind to bounce Estrid so I can recast her over and over to draw my whole deck, then win with Concordant Crossroads and a bunch of big dudes with Tempest Techniques on them
I should probably be on something that makes creature tokens when i cast enchantments
maybe [[Kykar, Zephyr Awakener]] ?
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junior meteor
also gives me a way to remove my enchantresses
junior meteor
okay, so we've included Kykar and [[Gremlin Tamer]]
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junior meteor
since this also just wins with tempest technique and concordant crossroads