#Pell's Personal Deckbuilding Enclave
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Once you get into setting up lines with protection baked into the recruiter idk
Tonight ill update my gruul goblins deck to incorporate a more aggressive version of the combo and do some playtesting
yeah, i think goblins are probably a solid place to be but also maybe not correct here, whatever it is though i want to learn it before the end of the month so i'm not taking a ton of time
Well, we're gonna look at this today and see where it ends up.
im just gonna slap as many cards in here as i think could end up in the deck and look at what that leaves me with
cards for dark leo (for my reference):
Koya, Death from Above
April O'Neil, Kunoichi Trainee
Oroku Saki, Shredder Rising
Splinter, Hamato Yoshi
As for ool I kinda dont love it
It feels too gimmicky in a way that isn't actually very good
Looking at some other peoples' builds for Jyoti and getting some ideas
@short flare https://moxfield.com/decks/RcYm2Cfb_EKisywNK0W5Yw
Here's our rebuild so far
i got convinced on flare of cultivation
Yeah flare is pretty real
if only bc it sacs jyoti
also more green spells to pitch to allorider means i more frequently get those lines
which is something im gonna keep in mind
I still regularly get confused about why rumble is the way it is
The spawn kills me
Deadly dispute same thing, making treasures is so good
Green count matter for sure
yeah
im really not big on preordain im ngl but it's here for now
if i need slots it probably gets cut though it is for sure my least favorite cantrip
hate cantripping on my turn
Its the worst cantrip mathmatically too
It sees 2.5 cards
Ponder sees 3.5
Brainstorm sees 3, but it also is brainstorm so...
RUMBLE SEES FUCKING FOUR
-.-
brainstorm says draw 3 cards on it
Yeah it does
it's really good in i think everything actually
it is functionally ancestral recall that can't get swatted
And does a bunch of other random stuff
like protect from discard
Set up miracles
Feed bolas' citadel
put stuff back in for to-field tutors
Creates complex yomi situations
yes
cya preordain
Im on my laptop now so i can actually look at this list
I think you were gonna cut it anyways, and if you need more draw just add it back
probably
so, we have all the combo pieces in the deck actually already
which is kinda crazy
Yeah
it's just filling it out from here
Okay lets do some card draw blits
We should consider stock up
I think we can consider planar genesis as well
Winternight stories is likely worth considering, though I think it might be dicey
The current shell doesnt point towards being able to support delve or not, but if it does we're gonna want one or the other of treasure cruise/dig probably
I think its very unlikely we can support both
Even one is sus
winternight is fucking rough
Stock up is very premium, but it does assume you to have a fair bit of mana
im gonna keep the other two in the maybe pile there
I also am a bit of an [[abundant harvest]] enjoyer
I'm generally a big fan of "land, or it isnt later"
im not as big of a fan of it but it is an option
again, i like cantripping on opponents' turns
this guy is on primal growth
Yeah I understand
[[primal growth]]
Sorcery
KickerβSacrifice a creature. (You may sacrifice a creature in addition to any other costs as you cast this spell.)
Search your library for a basic land card, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle. If this spell was kicked, instead search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
im gonna be real with you i think this is cope
This card was very good in my child of alara deck π
it's explosive veggies but i don't want to sac everything
Well
We want to sac our commander sometimes, thats the only reason I would play this
But that's more for a manual storm angle
im actually so fucking upset that bring to light doesnt hit enchants
otherwise i'd run that
Oh thats a bummer
yeah it's only creature instant sorcery
which is worthless in all 3 cases
if it hit enchant, i wouldn't be able to grab food chain but at least i could get crossroads
Impulse is another good card selection spell, though it compares kinda badly against similar effects
Oh lmao
I just had the worst idea
Its bad
here's a question, is there an intuition pile
Yes
oh what is your idea
[[paradoxical outcome]]
i think this gets me murdered on sight
it is but also rough
Back to this
Thats a way for sure
and then they just give me bala ged and make me pay 3
Yeah thats what I think
it's just drift of phantasms if i want it
which i kinda don't
that feels like a huge investment
There are other reasonable piles I think
here's the question: is auroral procession better than bala ged recovery even if bala get recovery is a land
[[auroral procession]]
Getting neoform+eldritch evo+noxious or something can set up some nice lines
yeah that's an option too
especially if i already have allorider or the elemental thingy on board
Double or triple tutor is one of my favorite intution piles
hmm
is eternal witness better actually
it's a creature and notably not an elf or an elemental
auroral procession is kinda hot because it's also 2 colors
I had no idea this existed btw, definitely gonna replace regrowth in a few decks
which means it pitches to force of negation and also potentially allorider
I'm big into fundamental qualities of cards
2 mana regrowth is fundamentally a lot cheaper than other options
I liek 2 cmc instant regrowth too
The witnesses are more for grinding IMO
THOUGH
i do like bala ged recovery though
we are a neoform/pod deck
we are, but 4 gets us nothing
zero cost to run pretty much anyways
I think impersonator will come up
timeless witness is better?
But its not exactly top
timeless takes us into either tatyova or aesi
I kind of like timeless more than eternal in general tbh
I have no reason to beliee that, but my vibes tell me that the games timeless or eternal are good in, timeless does the job you want better
Super baseless opinion though
idk, all 3 are options
im gonna add to the sideboard thingy auroral, timeless, and eternal
oh, and just add bala ged recovery to the list
I think we could be on all 3
Honestly
I think 2 is for sure fine
Bala ged+one of the options
well we're also probably on noxious
Oh yeah thats true
free is free
coming back to that in a second i guess bc i dont know, but i think noxious probably ends up in regardless
mostly because it's 0 mana
and instant
I do think it ends up in yeah
sorcery speed is fucking rough in the deck trying to play a grindy control game
i forgot to put disciple in
but that card's insane
last night's game i turned shifting woodland into a copy of hullbreaker horror
and then discipled it
and bounced my own sowing mycospawn with the trigger
With disciple in the deck it gives us another reason to consider being on staff of domination or something?
and that felt fucking incredible
based
wait why staff
oh, to bounce it
i dont know if im on enough creatures to want to do it multiple times
but man, bouncing sowing mycospawn felt fucking incredible
The way I anaylze staff is just a generic infinite mana outlet, and then I start looking for other synergies
I rarely play it cause I dont like generic infinute mana outlets
i used it to exile a cavern of souls from the omn4th player, and then i just held it in hand and said "if you ever play field of the dead im casting this"
and sure enough he used sylvan scrying and did not grab field of the dead
which is crazy shit, i should not have that much pull
Do we want to be on sylvan
depends on gcs
Are we not on cradle anymore
Oh word
i was on fierce rhystic natural order
Double word
im probably off of natural order actually though
Suspicious, but im kind of a cradle hater so im down
Im not sure this is cradle either
makes my counterspell suite very good but i need a lot of card draw to make up for it
yeah
Probably other GCs worth considering
i actually dont have jyoti out early all that much
Gifts ungiven is HOT
Can I shill for gifts over intuition even though its wrong
For sure
much easier to screw me
Gifts is pretty much always better without a universal graveyard enabler I think
worse*
yeah
Intuition force rhystic hmm
Cyc is for sure an option
I really do think ancient tomb might be worth thinking about
I only like cyc in stax metas
99.9% of scenarios
im absolutely big on this town
and so
???
ancient tomb is an option but my life total is fuckin rough here
we're definitely spending all of it
For sure
But we also need to make a ton of mana
And we dont have that much early game velocity because of your mana dork resistance
wanna know something crazy
the other guy im looking at that has a more optimized list
is on less dorks than me
lmao
he's on 0
well, actually 1, but 0
you gotta be on halfling
scout and no halfling is crazy work
Wait this looks dogwater
i think that's actually insane
Why is he on argothian enchantress
look at his enchant count
these are like, all really solid cards here, and if 15% of your deck cantrips that's like, not nothing
i dont like it but i can understand why
Im pretty sure its gonna take like 2-3 turns on average to start getting advantage
i also just have a few other cards im not super chill on here
the big ones being harrow and muddle
there's nothing you are muddling for in this deck
i think birthing ritual is extremely funny here in the considering pile
this mf's like "we are a pod deck so we are podding"
shocked there isnt actual pod
Harrow sucks for sure
it's really fucking mediocre
The 1 cmc green ramp auras are good
Very mediocre
I do think its better than cultivate though
L cultiavte
Nope
which is important
I just think wild growth and utopia sprawl are hard to interact with proactive turn 1 plays
animate a forest with utopia sprawl
Yuppers
and that does your thing with intruder alarm
for all the intruder alarm combos
i think im actually big enough on sprawl that i might go like
halfling sprawl for my dorks
the big thing is just that it's wild growth for blue, that's really it
I find it very hard to cut growth or sprawl myself, but I also think 1 mana ramp spells are as close to mox as we get
The only really uncuttable dork is halfling though
yeah im probably fine on halfling sprawl
i dont want growth
i get enough green in this fuckin deck
[[lilysplash mentor]]I wish this went infinite easier
yeah, unfortunately it's entirely intruder alarm combo
Wait, do we want to be on deadeye navigator
Fair
you have one now too!
wym!
(I didn't know you had a thread other than the league one)
oh!
If you need other sacrifice for value green spells there's also [[Thunderous Debut]] for your Dryad Tokens or [[Yuna's Decision]] as options
Sorcery
Bargain (You may sacrifice an artifact, enchantment, or token as you cast this spell.)
Look at the top twenty cards of your library. You may reveal up to two creature cards from among them. If this spell was bargained, put the revealed cards onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put the revealed cards into your hand. Then shuffle.
[[Long term plans]] thoughts?
[[Drift of phantasms]] is the other search in simic for food chain that's not intuition/gifts or a planar artifact
Yeah, I think we're looking at Intuition, Gifts Ungiven, Drift of Phantasms, or Long-Term Plans
and maybe more than one
so i think i've determined my 3 decks i'm proxying to take to portland
It's gonna be:
- Satya, Aetherflux Genius
- Jyoti, Moag Ancient
- Dark Leo & Shredder
im gonna test a lil more Dark Leo, though, and if it doesn't work out I might swap to Karai, I do think playing deadguy is still a very good position
I actually could probably proxy Jaws, too, because I already have most of Satya from before I quit.
Looked up a cEDH list for Jyoti (the only one on edhtop16) for some assistance.
A few weird things:
- This somehow won 2 games and made top 16. Not important, but weird!
- No Gaea's Cradle. Funky.
- No Shifting Woodland. Seems incorrect.
- This deck has [[Ley Weaver]] and Lore Weaver to search it, but no Cradle of any kind. Very weird!
- Risen Reef, but not that many more elementals than I have. It might be worth it. Card's insane.
- They're on Scapeshift Field of the Dead, Food Chain, and Finale.
Again, I never go into any decklist assuming it's bad, especially if it has results I can prove, I just want to know where this person's brain was when they made it.
I actually think the Scapeshift inclusion here is really cute, mostly because those dryads are lands you can sac to scapeshift to go get lands.
and Field of the Dead would be another way to potentially win the game.
mhmm
feels kind of like a meta undercut
since creature-based decks that win via combat seem to be abnormal and thus throw people off maybe
I think the lack of Shifting Woodland and Cradle feels wrong for cEDH personally but
everything else looks nice, lore/ley weaver is weird but ley weaver is an untapper that also searches something you can pitch to force
Frenzied Baloth was another card I'd written off, not realizing that once the combo is set up as long as I have Baloth out, there's no real window to stop me.
and again, i really like the idea of Risen Reef t3 into t4 jyoti
or avatar of growth, in my case, as well
What's the Baloth combo?
makes jyoti uncounterable
so for the food chain loops you have to specifically remove food chain or exile jyoti
Ah, right you're doing FC
yeah
well, i have more than just fc
i have food chain and also i have intruder alarm
both work
Yeah
now, i don't think i can do scapeshift in my build
mostly because field of the dead is a gc
hmmm
and im like, already at 5 of those and need to cut LMAO
Jyoti doesn't directly have a need for scapeshift does it?
no, but it does synergize pretty well
yeah, or sac the land tokens to scapeshift to go get actual lands
and thus hit more lands when you scapeshift, without taking too many out of your deck on the first go
yep
No [[mightform harmonizer]]?
Creature β Insect Druid
Landfall β Whenever a land you control enters, double the power of target creature you control until end of turn.
Warp 
(You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
4/4
like, potentially only having 4-5 lands in play, you could scapeshift for like 10, especially if you throw stuff like [[awaken the woods]] into the mix
i don't really have a ton of use for it, and mightform's a little expensive mana-wise
it's an overrun but only for my land creatures
yeah or if i start running [[splash portal]] like im supposed to
with a haste enabler, splash portal is just a ritual after all
Yeah
i'd prefer an instant one though
i dont remember the instant one
[[planar incision]] ?
Oh! [[Mutable explorer]]?
i considered it actually
mutavault is already like, a pretty reasonable land for this deck
it's the 3rd best manland i can run
[[restless vinestalk]] and [[inkmoth nexus]] both come first
boy howdy i sure love avatar kyoshi earthbending my inkmoth nexus for 8 +1/+1 counters, and then paying 1 mana into inkmoth nexus
that won't cause any problems for anyone, i'm sure
but yeah, i considered mutable explorer mostly because it's 2 creatures for cradle count if i need it
which would then filter a colorless from sol ring into green
here's a question
is it worth scapeshift for value without field of the dead
just go scapeshift 2 dryad tokens to go get like, inkmoth nexus cradle
or is that a situation where i should be running crop rot
i think i might be on [[elvish reclaimer]]
just as a way to turn a land into stuff
I think I might also just be on [[Six]] because it's a way to recast Food Chain in case it gets countered.
Legendary Creature β Treefolk
Reach
Whenever Six attacks, mill three cards. You may put a land card from among them into your hand.
During your turn, nonland permanent cards in your graveyard have retrace. (You may cast permanent cards from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying their other costs.)
2/4
Alright, we got the considering list at 126 cards
Somehow less than the goreclaw list I just started to revisit lol
I got that up to 129 i think
FWIW getting to 130 is usually a sign on deckbuilds that I'm being too unfocused
I mean, speaking of unfocusedβ¦
My goreclaw list is just βhereβs a bunch of big creatures, lets go!β
oh i mean sometimes i'll go up to 300+
and if you include the stuff in the main deck already it's definitely over 200
it's just like, what do i need for what slots lmao
hmm
Oh lol i already posted it right above
i need 3 cuts
and i really don't like cutting anything here
I might go down Elvish Reclaimer, but it's kinda there to search either Field of the Dead, Shifting Woodland, or Inkmoth Nexus
which are all gamewinning cards
I could go down Wistfulness, as well, but I like having the answer to an enchantment.
there's a world where it's just Elvish Reclaimer, Jill, and like... Flare of Cultivation or Herd Heirloom?
could also be flare of denial actually
First test hand, just to make sure things work. Drift of Phantasms is like, surprisingly good.
Not only does it grab Food Chain, it grabs Rhystic, it grabs Eldritch Evo, it grabs Force of Negation.
that is indeed a turn 8 kill
(aesi should be in exile, i exiled it with food chain so i wouldn't kill myself)
and again, Godmaw being a creature came up because you can Sylvan Tutor for it
I do think Allosaurus Shepherd or the enchantment one would be really good in here
also that Finale was on the bottom 6 cards of the deck, i had to shuffle so I drew it but it was on the bottom 6 when i went off lmao
so there was a chance i just never see it
i think kinnan might be overkill
also once i had a deterministic kill on board i stopped counting things like field of the dead zombies or treasures, i just had to play it out
See! I told you it's great.
It has the sorcery speed restriction but transmute is absurd as mechanics go
yeah i dont mind it
i do think i could do with like
either a crab or a copy of brainfreeze
just so i have a way to win that isnt just finale for x=90,000,000,000 and attack
one of the crabs mills each opponent, right?
[[ruin crab]]
yeah this is the one i'd go with i think
that way when i combo off, there's no targeting so there's no way for anyone to stop me with a ring or any hexproof
obviously this is soft to like, nexus of fate and shufflers, but that's life
Yep, again, drift of phantasms to go get food chain and sylvan tutor to go get godmaw did it
there's no universe where i cut godmaw card's just required for the deck
It always is lmao
Love that card
Let me hop on a little playtesting
no t6 kill this time, i thought i had it but had just short on searching out godmaw, but got it t7
this time it's the clever imp + lotus cobra + crossroads kill
with help from ashnod's
I got a t6 on my first go
It was real close to a turn 5
I believe I just pulled a turn 4
yeah, you can theoretically curve a t4 nim deathmantle infinite
I even had the colorless outlet
but you cant search anything but altar
so you stole my luck that's my magical christmas land π
By floating my colored mana beforehand, and then deploying the combo, I was able to play food chain and uro afterwards
Then I can loop uro with deathmantle for cards
uro's been really nice in test hands, can't believe i forgot the mf
I think we might have one or two too many colorless lands
i like the ones i've got, they're all very good
so my colorless sources are
With my two tests so far i've hit 1 and 2 mulligans
inkmoth nexus, gemstone, urza's saga, wasteland
and i think that's literally it
oh, field of the dead too
(fun thing here, field of the dead also enables some infinites with food chain)
so like, theoretically you don't need a haste enabler as long as you have 6 lands with different names that aren't a dryad arbor, food chain, and one of the lands is field of the dead
obviously this doesn't immediately kill so it helps if you have any of the landfall draw-ers
Every jyoti cast is +4 mana from sprinheart+jyoti trigger from ashnod's, and I have double tireless for colored mana
oh right
Im gonna convert my infinite mana into a tatyova or aesi and draw my deck
You don't actually need two tireless actualy, I just played the second one for fun
this does not kill it just makes infinite mana, but then you just sac jyoti to eldritch evo to make aesi
It kills
wait how
Infinite mana>aesi>draw deck>haste enabler
oh, because then once you have aesi you just draw crossroads
yeah
deck feels good, right?
Yeah its solid so far
how has herd heirloom felt in hands
Adding the 5 and 6 drops for neo and evo have made it run a lot better
yeah i think that's really it
I would have missed 2 fast wins without them
aesi and tatyova as draw engines off of sacing jyoti is key
When I was goldfishing the first line I had the old list up and was like damn
This still is awkward
And then I remembered
Herd heirloom probably plays better than it goldfishes
It has not goldfished any better than a 2 mana rock for me
But my lines have all been really easy
2 mana rock is still 2 mana rock, we're still gaming
Yeah I was happy to have the acceleration
yeah, now that im not running shit like kodama or intruder alarm
i think the deck is easier and just does the thing
and i pretty much always have counterspell backup on everything
The restriction was a little awkward actually though
Just one time I got pinched on mana cause I only had a colorless land in hand
And I wanted to play nantuko before my land
yeah that'll do it
ANd then I had the UU evoke guy
And yeah
I think if I had better mana I would have had a turn 5
Because I got pinched from play evoke+altar+food chain on one turn
i think the mana base is the thing keeping this from being a b4 deck mostly
which idk if that's good
It might need tuned back a bit, hard to say
Manabases can definitely hold back a deck and thats actually fine
As long as you're interactable
Because it literally slows you down by 1-2 turns on average
I should track my mulligan averages more
But I think the mulligan average felt about normal, maybe slightly high
but also i think the benefit from inkmoth nexus outweighs the negative of having it
same with field
Only issue with field is the GC slot
wasteland is mostly because i dont like losing to gaea's cradle
Otherwise that card is the GOAT
yeah, if i drop it i also go up a GC
but i like it in here, giving me an extra way to get to landfall loops is nice
In real games with my fast B3 maze's end deck I win with field way more than with maze's end
it might be too much though
Growing rites has felt a bit awkard
Its about 60-70% to hit, and if its flipping I feel like im about to get wiped anyways
Then again, its obviously rites
Flare was great
flare's been really nice
i think being free has been a big boon
i would never run the other ones
The clones are really good
They definitely open up a turn faster line
Because they're a mana positive way to sac jyoti
And double up your critical mass pieces
they're also just really nice to have for like, copying badgermole or whatever
Thats what I mean by critical mass pieces yeah
yeah sorry i was typing that before you sent the last message
im a lil slow today i got anti-mite goop on my arms
I feel like she's gonna be the card you're looking at the most while searching going, hmmm
I don't really have another way to say it
everytime I was tutoring I was like, huh
She's here
she's not something i want to tutor every time
but definitely she can bounce an amulet of vigor or whatever
Oh 100%
and put a lands deck back a whole turn
I think I was struggling because of her mana cost not lining up well with the things I would be saccing to get her
she is an extremely strong tempo play and i appreciate her a lot for that
yeah
i will agree with you on that
i do not want to be neoforming a badgermole
I will never neoform any of these two drops into her likely
i will however evo a delighted halfling into her
Yeah
I think this function at 2 cmc would be much more comfortable
Because of eldritch from tokens and still neo off 1 cmc
yeah but i can't have everything 
correct
Im here
like if you've got tatyova on board you can always just put jyoti back to hand
to draw a few cards
hi storm!
hya
storm the new build feels really good, sometimes it fishes a little early
but it feels REALLY nice
doing the goreclaw goldfish now
what ya fishing?
Classic bait hand
now with non-food-chain-combos
that hand looks so fucking tasty but you lose
100% of the time
ooooo
also i dont like casting remora t1 on b3 anyway
yeah lemme show you some sick test hands
this is an easy sneep
it's bait but it's so free
herd heirloom rhystic metamorph is just
really hard for me to pass up
Same, I always tell people just to wait a few turns to play it
this is so fucking close
Thats a snap mull for me
I dont
but it's so fucking bad
Im looking really hard for at least one combo piece or value engine
I am a very aggressive player though, as noted
i have the fucking inkmoth mystic remora with counterspell backup
This one would tempt me
and a rock
Have two interaction spells with the remora
i feel like jesus being tempted by the devil in the desert by that herd heirloom
AND the rock
Plus
This is the kind of game where herd heirloo could actually do something
yeah exactly
IT GOT ME
I WAS TEMPTED
this hand wants to play a slow game
YEAH EXACTLY
HEIRLOOM MAKES THESE HANDS LOOK REALLY NICE
you heirloom and put the heirloom draw on your inkmoth?
INSANE VALUE
im gonna playtest it and see where i get
just out of curiosity
first draw is sylvan library second draw is sol ring
i've never been vindicated like this
like this hand goes insane actually
i think i keep this every time
remora heirloom inkmoth is just too good
the worst part of playing inkmoth nexus is people assuming i am an infect deck when in fact i am only an infect deck when i feel like it
Now thats a hand
what do i t1 tutor for
No idea whats going on here, but its gotta be good lmao
No idea
Im not convinced you do yet
actually i know what it is
You probably want either cub or an outlet
i see the vision and the answer is unfortunately tatyova i think
I was also gonna say Cub
Something like that
fuck it let's see how it works out
But if you YOLO cub then you're gonna wish you had tatyoa later
because you can cast the cub
mhmm
And etaorph
yeah tatyova is just safer
even if the land wont
I really not sure I cast it turn 1 though, you might just want to have odds for lands
THat might be insane though
we're on turn 5 here, no land played yet
the first thing that happens is always metamorph jyoti i think
yeah i fired it off t2
on kinnan
shouldn't have but did
i drew a sanctuary, i put flare back on top and drew it with tatyova
and then just like
pay my 4 mana for mycospawn to go get field of the dead?
this is where i ended up at the end of that turn
i have nothing to interact except force pitch delay/jill
I mean its a good place
You have interaction up, and are reasonable set up for next turn
but i untap and we're seeing another 4 cards?
I guess it could have been godmaw actually
minimum?
i think it might have been godmaw
it's so fucking rough to say
godmaw gives me all pieces in hand, i think this is safer
but probably wrong
You still need a way to put jyoti back in the CZ, no?
Oh yeah true
and it works out bc i have kinnan if i do that
Oh
im gonna be real though i dont know if that line ever gets to godmaw
Then its tireless
Im pretty sure it was worldy for tireless
Cause kinnan doubles treasures
tireless was another option i'd considered
yeah
that's kinda the thought
it would make infinite 1/1s, i'd be able to present that t5?
I believe yeah
but it doesn't kill til t6 and is super weak if i see a single copy of toxic deluge
I think it does leave you open to seeing a lot of good cards though
i think sylvan for tatyova is better
not because its faster but because it's a safer line
If you go +1 mana with that setup you just flip your deck with kinnan
yeah
I don't think you just want to spew 1/1s though
Sure
Well its a functional deck flip yeah
who can draw me finale yeah
You've got all the creatures in play
yeah you're right, it's probably tireless there
i took a line that's safer but not as likely to win, i think
Myco would have set you up to break parity for a T6 kill I think
Or actually maybe a turn 5
Because flare + myco for field gets you to break parity with tireless+kinnan
yeah
god you wanna see the fucking
most vile hand ive ever seen
there is no way this is correct to keep
no fucking universe
but i want it
it has urza's saga go get exactly lotus petal lmao
No blue card for force means I probably have to toss but
yeah i think this is the baitiest hand i've ever seen
Any clone or sac outlet makes this hand solid
Yeah
first draw was a metamorph
uhh
i dont think this kills t4, we don't have a way to generate blue mana?
no i mean after the clone
we have no way to make blue
we for sure get there on a hand like that
but i am VERY skeeved by the lack of any blue sources
i probably dont keep that
Its very sketchy
Its a hand where you just accept a certain win %
And that you dont have very much control over it
any topdeck land with a basic type and this hand goes crazy
i again am very upset at how close this is and i can't keep it
I probably only consider keeping this if i'm in a pod where I think floodmaw and fluster can carry a lot of weight
the only problem with this hand is that willowrush verge taps for blue and not green
Even if virge was a trop
I would definitely be tempted by it
this is another hand where i am very easily tempted by seeing any land in the top 2 cards of my deck
bc if i do i think wistfulness does a lot for me here
Wistfulness is definitely nice
and of couse a topdeck delighted halfling makes this hand
gross
bad news, we didnt get there
the first land was not until t3
classic
yeah this is why we dont keep those
pfft
LOOK IT GUARANTEES ME MY FIRST 6 LAND DROPS
and does nothing lmao
also that's all but 1 of the islands in my deck
very funny
Oh its that hand I had earlier but with reality shift instead of remora
i actually like this
I do actually like this
but maybe not for the reason i should
if i just hit land drops this gets me tatyova and nim deathmantles jyoti back on the same turn?
I like it because it has a lot of pieces that work with different things givining solid average draw equity, and being close to the secod of multiple A+B~ combos
Plus yeah, worst case we can just do tatyova +jyoti for value
I wouldnt keep it in a fast pod though
so it's like, t1 island t2 growth chamber t3 vinestalk cast deathmantle
t4 springs cast jyoti t5 island neoform jyoti to get tatyova, nim deathmantle brings jyoti back?
and thats not even considering anything else i draw?
unfortunately tatyova misses the first 2 jyoti tokens
I would cast deathmantle on 2 istead of growth chamber
i think if people are being fast this sucks
Yeah dont keep this in a fast pod
yeah you keep this in a fast pod
Yeah
this hand is crazy
This is a great hand
Yeah this is the thing
And if it turns out to be a slow pod you can hardcast the incarnation and go to work
like, this hand looks great, i probably keep something like that
i honestly just like the chain of vapor herd heirloom reality shift in the opener
i dont even care about the rest
I like that is has planar genesis
I still keep this without genesis, but its harder
Getting to see 5 more cards is a lot
i drew 5 more, just for funsies
Its just a high card quality hand though
saw a concordant crossroads lmao
so that one did just have t5
idk i like this deck, it goldfishes well, from what im seeing it'll play into pods well
it is very soft to exactly toxic deluge or like, spikefield hazard
electrickery
but i knew that when i got into this
im like actively looking for cards i don't like seeing
and im not finding them
how much do you put on the idea you might draw a land in 3 draws
you have every combo piece but if you never see the 3rd land you die
yeah me too
not only do i have all combo pieces i even have the infinite mana outlet
in case i lose crossroads
90.2% chance to draw a third land by turn 5
oh, actually, the first turn draw was planar genesis
so i actually just have the land
lmao
so it's a t3 transmute drift, t4 cast jyoti, t5 cast crossroads and food chain?
no other lands even needed
god i fucking love this deck
Well, I think I'm actually fine with this list now, so I can go back to the other 2 I'm getting proxied so I can order them. Thanks for the help on that, Rouge!
@outer parcel @short flare here's the current rebuild
(20-card sideboard is just for swapping things in during testing)
i am looking for a replacement for yojimbo rn but i'm too tired so i'll do it tomorrow
it might just be quantum riddler
like im some sort of standard player
@outer parcel i finally decided on what im playing this month lmao
it's also jeskai but it's not satya, i wanna try something new
[[Gwen Stacy//Ghost Spider]]
Legendary Creature β Human Performer Hero
When Gwen Stacy enters, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card for as long as you control this creature.



: Transform Gwen Stacy. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Spiders don't hold still given any other choice, and I have all the choices in the Multiverse!"
2/1
Ghost-Spider 



Legendary Creature β Spider Human Hero
Flying, vigilance, haste
Whenever you play a land from exile or cast a spell from exile, put a +1/+1 counter on Ghost-Spider.
Remove two counters from Ghost-Spider: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
4/4
focusing on the back, the front is probably gonna get played first every game though
the idea is mostly "gwen is a 2cmc commander that eventually becomes an engine for spellslinging"
which is very reasonable i think
I saw gwen and immediately thought flicker stuff
i get to abuse wrenn's resolve, glimpse the impossible, heroes' hangout, etc.
oh there's gonna be some flickers don't worry
You know, its funny you mention this too
not a lot but at very minimum ephemerate, soul partition, and touch
I feel like the universe has been shouting these kind of decks at me lately
This is like the 4th time this week an unrelated source has talked to me about playing decks that fiddle with the top of the library like she does
i cannot wait to get to put sensei's divining top into a deck for value
[[!thought lash]]
i probably will put thoughtlash in for karn
since [[karn the great creator]] lets me grab [[the endstone]] from exile
Legendary Planeswalker β Karn
Activated abilities of artifacts your opponents control can't be activated.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value.
β2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand.
Loyalty: 5
Ive been on a perfect future kick but high key would be solid here
which idk if you've ever read this card
what the fuck do you mean whenever they deal 4 or more damage comma
I feel 4 is a fair hurdle tho
4 is [[monstrous rage]]
im probably not on that but it's real easy to get them to 4
They count themselves for the spiders attacking
correct
They do feel like a harder 99 include tho
Its a goofy way to look at it a bit, but in the right deck they are a ragavan dupe
yeah
im gonna throw em into considering
and see if i have enough ways to actually make them a 4/5 or whatever
i do get quint too
[[Quintorius Kand]]
Legendary Planeswalker β Quintorius
Whenever you cast a spell from exile, Quintorius Kand deals 2 damage to each opponent and you gain 2 life.
+1: Create a 3/2 red and white Spirit creature token.
β3: Discover 4.
β6: Exile any number of target cards from your graveyard. Add
for each card exiled this way. You may play those cards this turn.
Loyalty: 4
idk if he's worth it here but
π
but the real reason i wanted to play gwen is that airbend is really, really good with the back half
very specifically [[monk gyatso]]
Legendary Creature β Human Monk
Whenever another creature you control becomes the target of a spell or ability, you may airbend that creature. (Exile it. While it's exiled, its owner may cast it for
rather than its mana cost.)
"My ancient cake-making technique isn't the only thing on your mind, is it, Aang?"
3/3
holy fuck what if i put [[three wishes]] in this shit
the OG
yeah, decklist deleted, that fucking sucked
Shame Gwen didn't work out for you.
There's a good number of other exile matters Commanders that could be appealing at least.
its nbd we give it up and move on
Alright so this is comboless mobnix
Would love some thoughts if someone bops online and sees it.
@dapper mortar what dost thou think of comboless mobnix
(sorry for the ping you were the homie that had a green circle)
yep that's mob nix
Iβd wanna run underworld dreams instead of fate unraveler
it will create a 21 power demon and hit my opponents in the face with it
If your fixing can support it
my deck is shockingly black-light

: Untap two target lands.
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