#Pell's Personal Deckbuilding Enclave

1 messages Β· Page 2 of 1

short flare
#

Without getting into warchief/prospector/whatever lines

#

Once you get into setting up lines with protection baked into the recruiter idk

#

Tonight ill update my gruul goblins deck to incorporate a more aggressive version of the combo and do some playtesting

junior meteor
#

yeah, i think goblins are probably a solid place to be but also maybe not correct here, whatever it is though i want to learn it before the end of the month so i'm not taking a ton of time

junior meteor
#

Well, we're gonna look at this today and see where it ends up.

#

im just gonna slap as many cards in here as i think could end up in the deck and look at what that leaves me with

junior meteor
#

cards for dark leo (for my reference):
Koya, Death from Above
April O'Neil, Kunoichi Trainee
Oroku Saki, Shredder Rising
Splinter, Hamato Yoshi

junior meteor
#

As for ool I kinda dont love it

#

It feels too gimmicky in a way that isn't actually very good

junior meteor
#

Looking at some other peoples' builds for Jyoti and getting some ideas

junior meteor
#

Here's our rebuild so far

#

i got convinced on flare of cultivation

short flare
#

Yeah flare is pretty real

junior meteor
#

if only bc it sacs jyoti

short flare
#

Thats why I like it

#

Its like greens bone shards

junior meteor
#

also more green spells to pitch to allorider means i more frequently get those lines

#

which is something im gonna keep in mind

short flare
#

I still regularly get confused about why rumble is the way it is

#

The spawn kills me

#

Deadly dispute same thing, making treasures is so good

#

Green count matter for sure

junior meteor
#

yeah

#

im really not big on preordain im ngl but it's here for now

#

if i need slots it probably gets cut though it is for sure my least favorite cantrip

#

hate cantripping on my turn

short flare
#

Its the worst cantrip mathmatically too

#

It sees 2.5 cards

#

Ponder sees 3.5

#

Brainstorm sees 3, but it also is brainstorm so...

#

RUMBLE SEES FUCKING FOUR

#

-.-

junior meteor
#

brainstorm says draw 3 cards on it

short flare
#

Yeah it does

junior meteor
#

the rest of the text

#

fully doesnt matter

#

completely irrelevant

short flare
#

Its very good in vnwxt πŸ™‚

#

It says draw 6 cards in that deck

junior meteor
#

it's really good in i think everything actually

short flare
#

It might be like

#

The 15th best card ever printed

junior meteor
#

it is functionally ancestral recall that can't get swatted

short flare
#

And does a bunch of other random stuff

#

like protect from discard

#

Set up miracles

#

Feed bolas' citadel

junior meteor
#

put stuff back in for to-field tutors

short flare
#

Creates complex yomi situations

junior meteor
#

yes

short flare
#

Anyways, if you're gonna cut preordain just do it now

#

πŸ˜›

junior meteor
#

cya preordain

short flare
#

Im on my laptop now so i can actually look at this list

#

I think you were gonna cut it anyways, and if you need more draw just add it back

junior meteor
#

probably

#

so, we have all the combo pieces in the deck actually already

#

which is kinda crazy

short flare
#

Yeah

junior meteor
#

it's just filling it out from here

short flare
#

Okay lets do some card draw blits

#

We should consider stock up

#

I think we can consider planar genesis as well

#

Winternight stories is likely worth considering, though I think it might be dicey

#

The current shell doesnt point towards being able to support delve or not, but if it does we're gonna want one or the other of treasure cruise/dig probably

#

I think its very unlikely we can support both

#

Even one is sus

junior meteor
#

yeah, unsure

#

lemme put those in sideboard rq

#

i like planar genesis

#

a lot

short flare
#

I do to

#

It usually makes the cut for me

junior meteor
#

winternight is fucking rough

short flare
#

Stock up is very premium, but it does assume you to have a fair bit of mana

junior meteor
#

im gonna keep the other two in the maybe pile there

short flare
#

I also am a bit of an [[abundant harvest]] enjoyer

static gustBOT
short flare
#

I'm generally a big fan of "land, or it isnt later"

junior meteor
#

im not as big of a fan of it but it is an option

#

again, i like cantripping on opponents' turns

#

this guy is on primal growth

short flare
#

Yeah I understand

junior meteor
#

[[primal growth]]

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

im gonna be real with you i think this is cope

short flare
#

This card was very good in my child of alara deck πŸ™‚

junior meteor
#

it's explosive veggies but i don't want to sac everything

short flare
#

Well

#

We want to sac our commander sometimes, thats the only reason I would play this

#

But that's more for a manual storm angle

junior meteor
#

im actually so fucking upset that bring to light doesnt hit enchants

#

otherwise i'd run that

short flare
#

Oh thats a bummer

junior meteor
#

yeah it's only creature instant sorcery

#

which is worthless in all 3 cases

#

if it hit enchant, i wouldn't be able to grab food chain but at least i could get crossroads

short flare
#

Impulse is another good card selection spell, though it compares kinda badly against similar effects

#

Oh lmao

#

I just had the worst idea

#

Its bad

junior meteor
#

here's a question, is there an intuition pile

short flare
#

Yes

junior meteor
#

oh what is your idea

short flare
static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

i think this gets me murdered on sight

short flare
#

lmao

#

I said it was bad

junior meteor
#

it is but also rough

short flare
#

Just imagine this with a somewhat juiced jyoti and haste enabler

#

Mhmmm

short flare
junior meteor
#

intuition pile is noxious revival, food chain, bala ged recovery

#

?

short flare
#

Thats a way for sure

junior meteor
#

and then they just give me bala ged and make me pay 3

short flare
#

Of course

#

Do we have a tutor, I forget

junior meteor
#

for enchants?

#

there are none im pretty sure

short flare
#

Yeah thats what I think

junior meteor
#

it's just drift of phantasms if i want it

#

which i kinda don't

#

that feels like a huge investment

short flare
#

There are other reasonable piles I think

junior meteor
#

here's the question: is auroral procession better than bala ged recovery even if bala get recovery is a land

#

[[auroral procession]]

static gustBOT
short flare
#

Getting neoform+eldritch evo+noxious or something can set up some nice lines

junior meteor
#

yeah that's an option too

#

especially if i already have allorider or the elemental thingy on board

short flare
#

Double or triple tutor is one of my favorite intution piles

junior meteor
#

hmm

#

is eternal witness better actually

#

it's a creature and notably not an elf or an elemental

short flare
#

Oh that auroral procession

#

I'm usually on 2 cmc regrowth

junior meteor
#

auroral procession is kinda hot because it's also 2 colors

short flare
#

I had no idea this existed btw, definitely gonna replace regrowth in a few decks

junior meteor
#

which means it pitches to force of negation and also potentially allorider

short flare
#

I'm big into fundamental qualities of cards

junior meteor
#

i like 2cmc instant regrowth

#

personally

short flare
#

2 mana regrowth is fundamentally a lot cheaper than other options

#

I liek 2 cmc instant regrowth too

#

The witnesses are more for grinding IMO

#

THOUGH

junior meteor
#

i do like bala ged recovery though

short flare
#

we are a neoform/pod deck

junior meteor
#

we are, but 4 gets us nothing

short flare
junior meteor
#

5 gets us tatyova though

#

oh, actually, this might be the weird time where like

short flare
#

I think impersonator will come up

junior meteor
#

timeless witness is better?

short flare
#

But its not exactly top

junior meteor
#

timeless takes us into either tatyova or aesi

short flare
#

I kind of like timeless more than eternal in general tbh

#

I have no reason to beliee that, but my vibes tell me that the games timeless or eternal are good in, timeless does the job you want better

#

Super baseless opinion though

junior meteor
#

idk, all 3 are options

#

im gonna add to the sideboard thingy auroral, timeless, and eternal

#

oh, and just add bala ged recovery to the list

short flare
#

I think we could be on all 3

#

Honestly

#

I think 2 is for sure fine

#

Bala ged+one of the options

junior meteor
#

well we're also probably on noxious

short flare
#

Oh yeah thats true

junior meteor
#

free is free

short flare
#

hm

#

The downside might matter sometimes

#

We dont have the freest acess to draw

junior meteor
#

coming back to that in a second i guess bc i dont know, but i think noxious probably ends up in regardless

#

mostly because it's 0 mana

#

and instant

short flare
#

I do think it ends up in yeah

junior meteor
#

sorcery speed is fucking rough in the deck trying to play a grindy control game

short flare
#

Starfield is kinda fun with eternal witness, and it gives a neoform target too

#

haha

junior meteor
#

i forgot to put disciple in

#

but that card's insane

#

last night's game i turned shifting woodland into a copy of hullbreaker horror

#

and then discipled it

#

and bounced my own sowing mycospawn with the trigger

short flare
#

With disciple in the deck it gives us another reason to consider being on staff of domination or something?

junior meteor
#

and that felt fucking incredible

junior meteor
#

wait why staff

#

oh, to bounce it

#

i dont know if im on enough creatures to want to do it multiple times

#

but man, bouncing sowing mycospawn felt fucking incredible

short flare
#

The way I anaylze staff is just a generic infinite mana outlet, and then I start looking for other synergies

#

I rarely play it cause I dont like generic infinute mana outlets

junior meteor
#

i used it to exile a cavern of souls from the omn4th player, and then i just held it in hand and said "if you ever play field of the dead im casting this"

short flare
#

Lmao

#

Love it

junior meteor
#

and sure enough he used sylvan scrying and did not grab field of the dead

#

which is crazy shit, i should not have that much pull

short flare
#

Do we want to be on sylvan

junior meteor
#

depends on gcs

short flare
#

Are we not on cradle anymore

junior meteor
#

if i end up on cradle im on it, if im not i don't

#

i wasnt on cradle to begin with

short flare
#

Oh word

junior meteor
#

i was on fierce rhystic natural order

short flare
#

Double word

junior meteor
#

im probably off of natural order actually though

short flare
#

Suspicious, but im kind of a cradle hater so im down

junior meteor
#

idk if that puts me on cradle

#

i like cradle, evendo was a beating

short flare
#

Im not sure this is cradle either

junior meteor
#

is it crazy to just be on rhystic fierce force

#

that's crazy right

short flare
#

No

#

Not even a little

#

Thats quite legit IMO

junior meteor
#

makes my counterspell suite very good but i need a lot of card draw to make up for it

short flare
#

Incentives lorien revealed

#

Can be on double force too

junior meteor
#

yeah

short flare
#

Probably other GCs worth considering

junior meteor
#

force of negation isnt a gc so

#

i was already on it

short flare
#

Ancient tomb is hot

#

I think I like forces for your grindy deck more

junior meteor
#

i actually dont have jyoti out early all that much

short flare
#

Gifts ungiven is HOT

junior meteor
#

so maybe fierce is wrong

#

maybe it's rhystic, force, intuition?

short flare
#

Can I shill for gifts over intuition even though its wrong

junior meteor
#

gifts is worse here for sure

#

i think

short flare
#

For sure

junior meteor
#

much easier to screw me

short flare
#

Gifts is pretty much always better without a universal graveyard enabler I think

#

worse*

junior meteor
#

yeah

short flare
#

Intuition force rhystic hmm

junior meteor
#

lemme check what this other guy was on

#

cyc fierce rhystic

short flare
#

Cyc is for sure an option

junior meteor
#

no intuition

#

well here's the thing about cyc

short flare
#

I really do think ancient tomb might be worth thinking about

junior meteor
#

i actually kinda fuckin dont like cyc much

#

i prefer this town in like

short flare
#

I only like cyc in stax metas

junior meteor
#

99.9% of scenarios

#

im absolutely big on this town

#

and so

#

???

#

ancient tomb is an option but my life total is fuckin rough here

#

we're definitely spending all of it

short flare
#

For sure

#

But we also need to make a ton of mana

#

And we dont have that much early game velocity because of your mana dork resistance

junior meteor
#

wanna know something crazy

#

the other guy im looking at that has a more optimized list

#

is on less dorks than me

short flare
#

lmao

junior meteor
#

he's on 0

#

well, actually 1, but 0

short flare
#

you gotta be on halfling

junior meteor
#

he isnt on halfling

#

just scout

short flare
#

Insane cut

#

LMAO

junior meteor
#

scout and no halfling is crazy work

short flare
#

Wait this looks dogwater

junior meteor
#

i think that's actually insane

short flare
#

Why is he on argothian enchantress

junior meteor
#

look at his enchant count

short flare
#

I did

#

Thats not enough

junior meteor
#

these are like, all really solid cards here, and if 15% of your deck cantrips that's like, not nothing

#

i dont like it but i can understand why

short flare
#

Im pretty sure its gonna take like 2-3 turns on average to start getting advantage

junior meteor
#

i also just have a few other cards im not super chill on here

#

the big ones being harrow and muddle

#

there's nothing you are muddling for in this deck

short flare
#

Its a little less bad than I thought

#

Its not HORRIBlE per se

junior meteor
#

i think birthing ritual is extremely funny here in the considering pile

#

this mf's like "we are a pod deck so we are podding"

#

shocked there isnt actual pod

short flare
#

I have an oops all pods deck

#

Its great

junior meteor
#

but also here's a thing

#

i fucking hate harrow

short flare
#

Harrow sucks for sure

junior meteor
#

it's really fucking mediocre

short flare
#

The 1 cmc green ramp auras are good

#

Very mediocre

#

I do think its better than cultivate though

#

L cultiavte

junior meteor
#

im actually really big on utopia sprawl here

#

is that crazy

short flare
#

Nope

junior meteor
#

the other 2 im like whatever

#

but utopia sprawl fixes a forest to blue

short flare
#

Oh not abundant

#

I dont count that one

junior meteor
#

which is important

short flare
#

I just think wild growth and utopia sprawl are hard to interact with proactive turn 1 plays

junior meteor
#

animate a forest with utopia sprawl

short flare
#

Yuppers

junior meteor
#

and that does your thing with intruder alarm

#

for all the intruder alarm combos

#

i think im actually big enough on sprawl that i might go like

#

halfling sprawl for my dorks

#

the big thing is just that it's wild growth for blue, that's really it

short flare
#

I find it very hard to cut growth or sprawl myself, but I also think 1 mana ramp spells are as close to mox as we get

#

The only really uncuttable dork is halfling though

junior meteor
#

yeah im probably fine on halfling sprawl

#

i dont want growth

#

i get enough green in this fuckin deck

short flare
#

[[lilysplash mentor]]I wish this went infinite easier

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

yeah, unfortunately it's entirely intruder alarm combo

short flare
#

Wait, do we want to be on deadeye navigator

junior meteor
#

which i can do with ohter things

#

i dont like deadeye

short flare
#

Fair

lucid loom
#

you have one now too!

junior meteor
#

wym!

lucid loom
#

(I didn't know you had a thread other than the league one)

junior meteor
#

oh!

peak shuttle
#

If you need other sacrifice for value green spells there's also [[Thunderous Debut]] for your Dryad Tokens or [[Yuna's Decision]] as options

static gustBOT
thorny plinth
#

[[Long term plans]] thoughts?

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

Maybe? Unsure

#

actually, probably fine

thorny plinth
#

[[Drift of phantasms]] is the other search in simic for food chain that's not intuition/gifts or a planar artifact

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

Yeah, I think we're looking at Intuition, Gifts Ungiven, Drift of Phantasms, or Long-Term Plans

#

and maybe more than one

#

so i think i've determined my 3 decks i'm proxying to take to portlandcatyay

#

It's gonna be:

  • Satya, Aetherflux Genius
  • Jyoti, Moag Ancient
  • Dark Leo & Shredder
#

im gonna test a lil more Dark Leo, though, and if it doesn't work out I might swap to Karai, I do think playing deadguy is still a very good position

junior meteor
#

I actually could probably proxy Jaws, too, because I already have most of Satya from before I quit.

junior meteor
#

Looked up a cEDH list for Jyoti (the only one on edhtop16) for some assistance.

#

A few weird things:

  • This somehow won 2 games and made top 16. Not important, but weird!
  • No Gaea's Cradle. Funky.
  • No Shifting Woodland. Seems incorrect.
  • This deck has [[Ley Weaver]] and Lore Weaver to search it, but no Cradle of any kind. Very weird!
  • Risen Reef, but not that many more elementals than I have. It might be worth it. Card's insane.
  • They're on Scapeshift Field of the Dead, Food Chain, and Finale.
static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

Again, I never go into any decklist assuming it's bad, especially if it has results I can prove, I just want to know where this person's brain was when they made it.

#

I actually think the Scapeshift inclusion here is really cute, mostly because those dryads are lands you can sac to scapeshift to go get lands.

#

and Field of the Dead would be another way to potentially win the game.

lucid loom
#

mhmm

#

feels kind of like a meta undercut

#

since creature-based decks that win via combat seem to be abnormal and thus throw people off maybe

junior meteor
#

I think the lack of Shifting Woodland and Cradle feels wrong for cEDH personally but

#

everything else looks nice, lore/ley weaver is weird but ley weaver is an untapper that also searches something you can pitch to force

#

Frenzied Baloth was another card I'd written off, not realizing that once the combo is set up as long as I have Baloth out, there's no real window to stop me.

#

and again, i really like the idea of Risen Reef t3 into t4 jyoti

#

or avatar of growth, in my case, as well

thorny plinth
#

What's the Baloth combo?

junior meteor
#

no combo with it

#

[[frenzied baloth]]

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

makes jyoti uncounterable

#

so for the food chain loops you have to specifically remove food chain or exile jyoti

thorny plinth
#

Ah, right you're doing FC

junior meteor
#

yeah

#

well, i have more than just fc

#

i have food chain and also i have intruder alarm

#

both work

thorny plinth
#

Yeah

junior meteor
#

now, i don't think i can do scapeshift in my build

#

mostly because field of the dead is a gc

lucid loom
#

hmmm

junior meteor
#

and im like, already at 5 of those and need to cut LMAO

thorny plinth
#

Jyoti doesn't directly have a need for scapeshift does it?

junior meteor
#

no, but it does synergize pretty well

lucid loom
#

yeah

#

since you can make more land tokens

junior meteor
#

yeah, or sac the land tokens to scapeshift to go get actual lands

lucid loom
#

and thus hit more lands when you scapeshift, without taking too many out of your deck on the first go

junior meteor
#

yep

thorny plinth
#

No [[mightform harmonizer]]?

static gustBOT
lucid loom
#

like, potentially only having 4-5 lands in play, you could scapeshift for like 10, especially if you throw stuff like [[awaken the woods]] into the mix

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

i don't really have a ton of use for it, and mightform's a little expensive mana-wise

#

it's an overrun but only for my land creatures

#

yeah or if i start running [[splash portal]] like im supposed to

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

with a haste enabler, splash portal is just a ritual after all

thorny plinth
#

Yeah

junior meteor
#

i'd prefer an instant one though

#

i dont remember the instant one

#

[[planar incision]] ?

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

this works

#

(this one i can use to blank targeted removal, the other one i cant)

thorny plinth
#

Oh! [[Mutable explorer]]?

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

i considered it actually

#

mutavault is already like, a pretty reasonable land for this deck

#

it's the 3rd best manland i can run

#

[[restless vinestalk]] and [[inkmoth nexus]] both come first

static gustBOT
#

Land
manat: Add manac.
mana1: This land becomes a 1/1 Phyrexian Blinkmoth artifact creature with flying and infect until end of turn. It's still a land. (It deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)

junior meteor
#

boy howdy i sure love avatar kyoshi earthbending my inkmoth nexus for 8 +1/+1 counters, and then paying 1 mana into inkmoth nexus

#

that won't cause any problems for anyone, i'm sure

#

but yeah, i considered mutable explorer mostly because it's 2 creatures for cradle count if i need it

#

which would then filter a colorless from sol ring into green

#

here's a question

#

is it worth scapeshift for value without field of the dead

#

just go scapeshift 2 dryad tokens to go get like, inkmoth nexus cradle

#

or is that a situation where i should be running crop rot

junior meteor
#

i think i might be on [[elvish reclaimer]]

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

just as a way to turn a land into stuff

#

I think I might also just be on [[Six]] because it's a way to recast Food Chain in case it gets countered.

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

Alright, we got the considering list at 126 cards

lucid loom
thorny plinth
#

FWIW getting to 130 is usually a sign on deckbuilds that I'm being too unfocused

lucid loom
#

I mean, speaking of unfocused…

#

My goreclaw list is just β€œhere’s a bunch of big creatures, lets go!”

junior meteor
#

oh i mean sometimes i'll go up to 300+

#

and if you include the stuff in the main deck already it's definitely over 200

#

it's just like, what do i need for what slots lmao

junior meteor
#

hmm

#

Oh lol i already posted it right above

#

i need 3 cuts

#

and i really don't like cutting anything here

#

I might go down Elvish Reclaimer, but it's kinda there to search either Field of the Dead, Shifting Woodland, or Inkmoth Nexus

#

which are all gamewinning cards

#

I could go down Wistfulness, as well, but I like having the answer to an enchantment.

#

there's a world where it's just Elvish Reclaimer, Jill, and like... Flare of Cultivation or Herd Heirloom?

#

could also be flare of denial actually

junior meteor
#

First test hand, just to make sure things work. Drift of Phantasms is like, surprisingly good.

#

Not only does it grab Food Chain, it grabs Rhystic, it grabs Eldritch Evo, it grabs Force of Negation.

#

that is indeed a turn 8 kill

#

(aesi should be in exile, i exiled it with food chain so i wouldn't kill myself)

#

and again, Godmaw being a creature came up because you can Sylvan Tutor for it

#

I do think Allosaurus Shepherd or the enchantment one would be really good in here

#

also that Finale was on the bottom 6 cards of the deck, i had to shuffle so I drew it but it was on the bottom 6 when i went off lmao

#

so there was a chance i just never see it

#

i think kinnan might be overkill

#

also once i had a deterministic kill on board i stopped counting things like field of the dead zombies or treasures, i just had to play it out

thorny plinth
#

It has the sorcery speed restriction but transmute is absurd as mechanics go

junior meteor
#

yeah i dont mind it

#

i do think i could do with like

#

either a crab or a copy of brainfreeze

#

just so i have a way to win that isnt just finale for x=90,000,000,000 and attack

#

one of the crabs mills each opponent, right?

#

[[ruin crab]]

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

yeah this is the one i'd go with i think

#

that way when i combo off, there's no targeting so there's no way for anyone to stop me with a ring or any hexproof

#

obviously this is soft to like, nexus of fate and shufflers, but that's life

junior meteor
#

Yep, again, drift of phantasms to go get food chain and sylvan tutor to go get godmaw did it

#

there's no universe where i cut godmaw card's just required for the deck

short flare
#

Love that card

#

Let me hop on a little playtesting

junior meteor
#

no t6 kill this time, i thought i had it but had just short on searching out godmaw, but got it t7

#

this time it's the clever imp + lotus cobra + crossroads kill

#

with help from ashnod's

short flare
#

I got a t6 on my first go

#

It was real close to a turn 5

#

I believe I just pulled a turn 4

junior meteor
#

yeah, you can theoretically curve a t4 nim deathmantle infinite

short flare
#

I even had the colorless outlet

junior meteor
#

but you cant search anything but altar

#

so you stole my luck that's my magical christmas land πŸ™

short flare
#

By floating my colored mana beforehand, and then deploying the combo, I was able to play food chain and uro afterwards

#

Then I can loop uro with deathmantle for cards

junior meteor
#

uro's been really nice in test hands, can't believe i forgot the mf

short flare
#

I think we might have one or two too many colorless lands

junior meteor
#

i like the ones i've got, they're all very good

short flare
#

Yeah its true

#

And tossing back hands with bad mana is part of the vibes

junior meteor
#

so my colorless sources are

short flare
#

With my two tests so far i've hit 1 and 2 mulligans

junior meteor
#

inkmoth nexus, gemstone, urza's saga, wasteland

#

and i think that's literally it

#

oh, field of the dead too

#

(fun thing here, field of the dead also enables some infinites with food chain)

#

so like, theoretically you don't need a haste enabler as long as you have 6 lands with different names that aren't a dryad arbor, food chain, and one of the lands is field of the dead

#

obviously this doesn't immediately kill so it helps if you have any of the landfall draw-ers

short flare
#

Neither of my lines have involved a haste enabler haha

#

Next run is a tunr 5

junior meteor
#

wait where

#

i dont see it i might be fuckin stupid

short flare
#

Every jyoti cast is +4 mana from sprinheart+jyoti trigger from ashnod's, and I have double tireless for colored mana

junior meteor
#

oh right

short flare
#

Im gonna convert my infinite mana into a tatyova or aesi and draw my deck

#

You don't actually need two tireless actualy, I just played the second one for fun

junior meteor
#

this does not kill it just makes infinite mana, but then you just sac jyoti to eldritch evo to make aesi

short flare
#

It kills

junior meteor
#

wait how

short flare
#

Infinite mana>aesi>draw deck>haste enabler

junior meteor
#

oh, because then once you have aesi you just draw crossroads

#

yeah

#

deck feels good, right?

short flare
#

Yeah its solid so far

junior meteor
#

how has herd heirloom felt in hands

short flare
#

Adding the 5 and 6 drops for neo and evo have made it run a lot better

junior meteor
#

yeah i think that's really it

short flare
#

I would have missed 2 fast wins without them

junior meteor
#

aesi and tatyova as draw engines off of sacing jyoti is key

short flare
#

When I was goldfishing the first line I had the old list up and was like damn

#

This still is awkward

#

And then I remembered

#

Herd heirloom probably plays better than it goldfishes

#

It has not goldfished any better than a 2 mana rock for me

#

But my lines have all been really easy

junior meteor
#

2 mana rock is still 2 mana rock, we're still gaming

short flare
#

Yeah I was happy to have the acceleration

junior meteor
#

yeah, now that im not running shit like kodama or intruder alarm

#

i think the deck is easier and just does the thing

#

and i pretty much always have counterspell backup on everything

short flare
#

The restriction was a little awkward actually though

junior meteor
#

yeah, you can't cast like, a crossroads off of it

#

which is rough

short flare
#

Just one time I got pinched on mana cause I only had a colorless land in hand

#

And I wanted to play nantuko before my land

junior meteor
#

yeah that'll do it

short flare
#

ANd then I had the UU evoke guy

#

And yeah

#

I think if I had better mana I would have had a turn 5

#

Because I got pinched from play evoke+altar+food chain on one turn

junior meteor
#

i think the mana base is the thing keeping this from being a b4 deck mostly

#

which idk if that's good

short flare
#

It might need tuned back a bit, hard to say

junior meteor
#

yeah

#

i might cut kinnan as a way to make it a little less consistent

short flare
#

Manabases can definitely hold back a deck and thats actually fine

#

As long as you're interactable

#

Because it literally slows you down by 1-2 turns on average

junior meteor
#

yeah

#

this deck is very pip-heavy

#

so those colorless lands are πŸ‘€

short flare
#

I should track my mulligan averages more

#

But I think the mulligan average felt about normal, maybe slightly high

junior meteor
#

but also i think the benefit from inkmoth nexus outweighs the negative of having it

#

same with field

short flare
#

Only issue with field is the GC slot

junior meteor
#

wasteland is mostly because i dont like losing to gaea's cradle

short flare
#

Otherwise that card is the GOAT

junior meteor
#

yeah, if i drop it i also go up a GC

#

but i like it in here, giving me an extra way to get to landfall loops is nice

short flare
#

In real games with my fast B3 maze's end deck I win with field way more than with maze's end

junior meteor
#

it might be too much though

short flare
#

Growing rites has felt a bit awkard

#

Its about 60-70% to hit, and if its flipping I feel like im about to get wiped anyways

#

Then again, its obviously rites

junior meteor
#

yeah

#

and cradle is

#

very good in this deck

short flare
#

Flare was great

junior meteor
#

flare's been really nice

#

i think being free has been a big boon

#

i would never run the other ones

short flare
#

The clones are really good

junior meteor
#

but flare being free is like, sure gamer

#

YEAH

short flare
#

They definitely open up a turn faster line

#

Because they're a mana positive way to sac jyoti

#

And double up your critical mass pieces

junior meteor
#

they're also just really nice to have for like, copying badgermole or whatever

short flare
#

Thats what I mean by critical mass pieces yeah

junior meteor
#

yeah sorry i was typing that before you sent the last message

short flare
#

Jill seemed like a nice tutor target, and I do love her

#

BUT

junior meteor
#

im a lil slow today i got anti-mite goop on my arms

short flare
#

I feel like she's gonna be the card you're looking at the most while searching going, hmmm

#

I don't really have another way to say it

#

everytime I was tutoring I was like, huh

#

She's here

junior meteor
#

she's not something i want to tutor every time

#

but definitely she can bounce an amulet of vigor or whatever

short flare
#

Oh 100%

junior meteor
#

and put a lands deck back a whole turn

short flare
#

I think I was struggling because of her mana cost not lining up well with the things I would be saccing to get her

junior meteor
#

she is an extremely strong tempo play and i appreciate her a lot for that

#

yeah

#

i will agree with you on that

#

i do not want to be neoforming a badgermole

short flare
#

I will never neoform any of these two drops into her likely

junior meteor
#

i will however evo a delighted halfling into her

short flare
#

Yeah

junior meteor
#

like every time

#

shit's cracked

short flare
#

I think this function at 2 cmc would be much more comfortable

#

Because of eldritch from tokens and still neo off 1 cmc

junior meteor
#

yeah but i can't have everything pensivecowboy

short flare
#

Yeh

#

Shes a nice value piece too

junior meteor
#

correct

lucid loom
#

Im here

junior meteor
#

like if you've got tatyova on board you can always just put jyoti back to hand

#

to draw a few cards

#

hi storm!

lucid loom
#

hya

junior meteor
#

storm the new build feels really good, sometimes it fishes a little early

#

but it feels REALLY nice

lucid loom
#

doing the goreclaw goldfish now

what ya fishing?

junior meteor
#

finding a win is very possible, you frequently have countermagic backup

#

jyoti

lucid loom
#

oh heck yeah

#

nice

junior meteor
short flare
#

Classic bait hand

junior meteor
#

now with non-food-chain-combos

#

that hand looks so fucking tasty but you lose

#

100% of the time

short flare
#

Indeed

#

CLASSIC bait

lucid loom
junior meteor
#

also i dont like casting remora t1 on b3 anyway

#

yeah lemme show you some sick test hands

#

this is an easy sneep

#

it's bait but it's so free

#

herd heirloom rhystic metamorph is just

#

really hard for me to pass up

short flare
junior meteor
#

this is so fucking close

short flare
#

Thats a snap mull for me

junior meteor
#

i think if sink is literally any of my mana rocks

#

that's an easy keep

short flare
#

I dont

junior meteor
#

but it's so fucking bad

short flare
#

Im looking really hard for at least one combo piece or value engine

junior meteor
#

yeah fair

#

i've never been baited this hard in my life

short flare
#

I am a very aggressive player though, as noted

junior meteor
#

i have the fucking inkmoth mystic remora with counterspell backup

short flare
junior meteor
#

and a rock

short flare
#

Have two interaction spells with the remora

junior meteor
#

i feel like jesus being tempted by the devil in the desert by that herd heirloom

short flare
#

AND the rock

#

Plus

#

This is the kind of game where herd heirloo could actually do something

junior meteor
#

yeah exactly

junior meteor
#

this hand wants to play a slow game

#

YEAH EXACTLY

#

HEIRLOOM MAKES THESE HANDS LOOK REALLY NICE

#

you heirloom and put the heirloom draw on your inkmoth?

#

INSANE VALUE

#

im gonna playtest it and see where i get

#

just out of curiosity

#

first draw is sylvan library second draw is sol ring

#

i've never been vindicated like this

#

like this hand goes insane actually

#

i think i keep this every time

#

remora heirloom inkmoth is just too good

#

the worst part of playing inkmoth nexus is people assuming i am an infect deck when in fact i am only an infect deck when i feel like it

short flare
#

Now thats a hand

junior meteor
#

what do i t1 tutor for

short flare
#

No idea whats going on here, but its gotta be good lmao

#

No idea

#

Im not convinced you do yet

junior meteor
#

actually i know what it is

short flare
#

You probably want either cub or an outlet

junior meteor
#

i see the vision and the answer is unfortunately tatyova i think

short flare
#

Yeah

#

Its either cub, tatyova, or cobra I think

lucid loom
#

I was also gonna say Cub

short flare
#

Something like that

junior meteor
#

fuck it let's see how it works out

short flare
#

But if you YOLO cub then you're gonna wish you had tatyoa later

lucid loom
#

because you can cast the cub

short flare
#

Yeah

#

And its synergises with kennan

lucid loom
#

mhmm

short flare
#

And etaorph

junior meteor
#

yeah tatyova is just safer

lucid loom
#

even if the land wont

junior meteor
#

but

#

hmm

short flare
#

I really not sure I cast it turn 1 though, you might just want to have odds for lands

#

THat might be insane though

junior meteor
#

t5 im just missing a haste enabler?

#

maybe it was actually search godmaw

#

:/

short flare
#

Unlikely

#

Let me see

junior meteor
#

we're on turn 5 here, no land played yet

#

the first thing that happens is always metamorph jyoti i think

short flare
#

100%

#

Too bad we dont have flare in hand still

junior meteor
#

yeah i fired it off t2

#

on kinnan

#

shouldn't have but did

#

i drew a sanctuary, i put flare back on top and drew it with tatyova

short flare
#

This is a really hard hand in general

#

There's a lot of potential lines

junior meteor
#

and then just like

#

pay my 4 mana for mycospawn to go get field of the dead?

#

this is where i ended up at the end of that turn

#

i have nothing to interact except force pitch delay/jill

short flare
#

I mean its a good place

#

You have interaction up, and are reasonable set up for next turn

junior meteor
#

but i untap and we're seeing another 4 cards?

short flare
#

I guess it could have been godmaw actually

junior meteor
#

minimum?

#

i think it might have been godmaw

#

it's so fucking rough to say

#

godmaw gives me all pieces in hand, i think this is safer

#

but probably wrong

short flare
#

You still need a way to put jyoti back in the CZ, no?

junior meteor
#

i had metamorph

#

in the opener

short flare
#

Yeah, but thats just one iteration

#

You cant keep looping, can you?

junior meteor
#

it's as many iterations as i want

#

bc i cast jyoti and sac the real one every time

short flare
#

Oh yeah true

junior meteor
#

and it works out bc i have kinnan if i do that

short flare
#

Oh

junior meteor
#

im gonna be real though i dont know if that line ever gets to godmaw

short flare
#

Then its tireless

#

Im pretty sure it was worldy for tireless

#

Cause kinnan doubles treasures

junior meteor
#

tireless was another option i'd considered

#

yeah

#

that's kinda the thought

#

it would make infinite 1/1s, i'd be able to present that t5?

short flare
#

I believe yeah

junior meteor
#

but it doesn't kill til t6 and is super weak if i see a single copy of toxic deluge

short flare
#

I think it does leave you open to seeing a lot of good cards though

junior meteor
#

i think sylvan for tatyova is better

#

not because its faster but because it's a safer line

short flare
#

If you go +1 mana with that setup you just flip your deck with kinnan

junior meteor
#

yeah

short flare
#

I don't think you just want to spew 1/1s though

junior meteor
#

ideally instead i just uh

#

draw finale

#

and cast it for x=11

#

?

short flare
#

Sure

junior meteor
#

oh wait kinnan can't

#

but kinnan can flip me into aesi or taty

short flare
#

Well its a functional deck flip yeah

junior meteor
#

who can draw me finale yeah

short flare
#

You've got all the creatures in play

junior meteor
#

yeah you're right, it's probably tireless there

#

i took a line that's safer but not as likely to win, i think

short flare
#

Myco would have set you up to break parity for a T6 kill I think

#

Or actually maybe a turn 5

#

Because flare + myco for field gets you to break parity with tireless+kinnan

junior meteor
#

yeah

#

god you wanna see the fucking

#

most vile hand ive ever seen

#

there is no way this is correct to keep

#

no fucking universe

#

but i want it

short flare
#

Well

#

I think I might keep this too

#

Its a little close

junior meteor
#

it has urza's saga go get exactly lotus petal lmao

short flare
#

No blue card for force means I probably have to toss but

junior meteor
#

yeah i think this is the baitiest hand i've ever seen

short flare
#

This hand does most of the thing though

#

And it has protection

junior meteor
#

lemme check my first 3 draws and see how it looks

#

it has a kill

short flare
#

Any clone or sac outlet makes this hand solid

junior meteor
short flare
#

Yeah

junior meteor
#

first draw was a metamorph

short flare
#

Thats a kill

#

What is this, 4-5?

junior meteor
#

uhh

short flare
#

4

#

Unless there's some insane turn 3 line

junior meteor
#

i dont think this kills t4, we don't have a way to generate blue mana?

short flare
#

Lotus petal

#

πŸ™‚

#

Turn 1 saga>sol ring

junior meteor
#

no i mean after the clone

short flare
#

I havent actually thought about it very hard yet

#

Oh yeah

junior meteor
#

we have no way to make blue

short flare
#

Yeah we dont

#

This hand still needs an outlet anyways

junior meteor
#

we also draw into sylvan library and sanctuary

#

so like

short flare
#

lmao

#

classic

junior meteor
#

we for sure get there on a hand like that

#

but i am VERY skeeved by the lack of any blue sources

#

i probably dont keep that

short flare
#

Its very sketchy

#

Its a hand where you just accept a certain win %

#

And that you dont have very much control over it

junior meteor
#

any topdeck land with a basic type and this hand goes crazy

#

i again am very upset at how close this is and i can't keep it

short flare
#

I probably only consider keeping this if i'm in a pod where I think floodmaw and fluster can carry a lot of weight

junior meteor
#

the only problem with this hand is that willowrush verge taps for blue and not green

short flare
#

Even if virge was a trop

junior meteor
#

i think if this was a trop i probably keep it

#

and lose

short flare
#

I would definitely be tempted by it

junior meteor
#

this is another hand where i am very easily tempted by seeing any land in the top 2 cards of my deck

#

bc if i do i think wistfulness does a lot for me here

short flare
#

Wistfulness is definitely nice

junior meteor
#

and of couse a topdeck delighted halfling makes this hand

#

gross

#

bad news, we didnt get there

#

the first land was not until t3

short flare
#

classic

junior meteor
#

yeah this is why we dont keep those

#

pfft

#

LOOK IT GUARANTEES ME MY FIRST 6 LAND DROPS

#

and does nothing lmao

#

also that's all but 1 of the islands in my deck

#

very funny

short flare
#

Oh its that hand I had earlier but with reality shift instead of remora

junior meteor
#

oh, i have one i think you're actually going to love

short flare
#

Yeah I might keep this

#

See im a crazy person

junior meteor
#

i actually like this

short flare
#

I do actually like this

junior meteor
#

but maybe not for the reason i should

#

if i just hit land drops this gets me tatyova and nim deathmantles jyoti back on the same turn?

short flare
#

I like it because it has a lot of pieces that work with different things givining solid average draw equity, and being close to the secod of multiple A+B~ combos

#

Plus yeah, worst case we can just do tatyova +jyoti for value

#

I wouldnt keep it in a fast pod though

junior meteor
#

so it's like, t1 island t2 growth chamber t3 vinestalk cast deathmantle
t4 springs cast jyoti t5 island neoform jyoti to get tatyova, nim deathmantle brings jyoti back?

#

and thats not even considering anything else i draw?

#

unfortunately tatyova misses the first 2 jyoti tokens

short flare
#

I would cast deathmantle on 2 istead of growth chamber

junior meteor
#

i think if people are being fast this sucks

short flare
#

Yeah dont keep this in a fast pod

junior meteor
#

yeah you keep this in a fast pod

short flare
#

Yeah

junior meteor
#

this hand is crazy

short flare
#

This is a great hand

junior meteor
#

3 pieces of interaction, heirloom, and planar genesis?

#

insane

short flare
#

Yeah this is the thing

#

And if it turns out to be a slow pod you can hardcast the incarnation and go to work

junior meteor
#

yeah

#

top 3 had drift of phantasms and counterspell backup too

short flare
#

oh

#

You're already close

junior meteor
#

like, this hand looks great, i probably keep something like that

short flare
#

I would

#

Its got a lot goingn for it

junior meteor
#

i honestly just like the chain of vapor herd heirloom reality shift in the opener

#

i dont even care about the rest

short flare
#

I like that is has planar genesis

junior meteor
#

yeah that helps a lot

#

2 draw spells is like

#

pretty good

short flare
#

I still keep this without genesis, but its harder

#

Getting to see 5 more cards is a lot

junior meteor
#

i drew 5 more, just for funsies

short flare
#

Its just a high card quality hand though

junior meteor
#

saw a concordant crossroads lmao

short flare
#

Ah

#

So its like a turn 5 or something

junior meteor
#

so that one did just have t5

#

idk i like this deck, it goldfishes well, from what im seeing it'll play into pods well

#

it is very soft to exactly toxic deluge or like, spikefield hazard

#

electrickery

#

but i knew that when i got into this

#

im like actively looking for cards i don't like seeing

#

and im not finding them

#

how much do you put on the idea you might draw a land in 3 draws

#

you have every combo piece but if you never see the 3rd land you die

short flare
#

You just gotta run the numbers

#

I keep this though

junior meteor
#

yeah me too

#

not only do i have all combo pieces i even have the infinite mana outlet

#

in case i lose crossroads

short flare
#

90.2% chance to draw a third land by turn 5

junior meteor
#

i drew it 5 in

#

LMAO

short flare
#

92.2 actually

#

77.9% by turn 3

junior meteor
#

oh, actually, the first turn draw was planar genesis

#

so i actually just have the land

short flare
#

lmao

junior meteor
#

so it's a t3 transmute drift, t4 cast jyoti, t5 cast crossroads and food chain?

#

no other lands even needed

#

god i fucking love this deck

#

Well, I think I'm actually fine with this list now, so I can go back to the other 2 I'm getting proxied so I can order them. Thanks for the help on that, Rouge!

junior meteor
#

@outer parcel @short flare here's the current rebuild

#

(20-card sideboard is just for swapping things in during testing)

#

i am looking for a replacement for yojimbo rn but i'm too tired so i'll do it tomorrow

#

it might just be quantum riddler

#

like im some sort of standard player

junior meteor
#

@outer parcel i finally decided on what im playing this month lmao

#

it's also jeskai but it's not satya, i wanna try something new

#

[[Gwen Stacy//Ghost Spider]]

static gustBOT
#

Legendary Creature β€” Human Performer Hero
When Gwen Stacy enters, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card for as long as you control this creature.
mana2manaumanarmanaw: Transform Gwen Stacy. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Spiders don't hold still given any other choice, and I have all the choices in the Multiverse!"
2/1

Ghost-Spider mana2manaumanarmanaw
Legendary Creature β€” Spider Human Hero
Flying, vigilance, haste
Whenever you play a land from exile or cast a spell from exile, put a +1/+1 counter on Ghost-Spider.
Remove two counters from Ghost-Spider: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
4/4

outer parcel
#

Oh neat!

#

Are you focusing more on one side or both evenly?

junior meteor
#

focusing on the back, the front is probably gonna get played first every game though

outer parcel
#

Thats the answer, hell yeah

#

Wait, read that in reverse

#

Still cool tho

junior meteor
#

the idea is mostly "gwen is a 2cmc commander that eventually becomes an engine for spellslinging"

#

which is very reasonable i think

outer parcel
#

I saw gwen and immediately thought flicker stuff

junior meteor
#

i get to abuse wrenn's resolve, glimpse the impossible, heroes' hangout, etc.

#

oh there's gonna be some flickers don't worry

outer parcel
#

You know, its funny you mention this too

junior meteor
#

not a lot but at very minimum ephemerate, soul partition, and touch

outer parcel
#

I feel like the universe has been shouting these kind of decks at me lately

#

This is like the 4th time this week an unrelated source has talked to me about playing decks that fiddle with the top of the library like she does

junior meteor
#

i cannot wait to get to put sensei's divining top into a deck for value

outer parcel
#

Hell

#

Yes

#

You know what you should play?

junior meteor
#

?

#

trading cards?

outer parcel
#

[[!thought lash]]

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

i probably will put thoughtlash in for karn

#

since [[karn the great creator]] lets me grab [[the endstone]] from exile

static gustBOT
#

Legendary Planeswalker β€” Karn
Activated abilities of artifacts your opponents control can't be activated.
+1: Until your next turn, up to one target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value.
βˆ’2: You may reveal an artifact card you own from outside the game or choose a face-up artifact card you own in exile. Put that card into your hand.
Loyalty: 5

outer parcel
#

Ive been on a perfect future kick but high key would be solid here

junior meteor
#

or really anything

#

i also get to run [[spinneret and spiderling]]

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

which idk if you've ever read this card

#

what the fuck do you mean whenever they deal 4 or more damage comma

outer parcel
#

I feel 4 is a fair hurdle tho

junior meteor
#

4 is [[monstrous rage]]

static gustBOT
outer parcel
#

I did see them but felt underwhelmed

#

Thats fair

junior meteor
#

im probably not on that but it's real easy to get them to 4

outer parcel
#

They count themselves for the spiders attacking

junior meteor
#

correct

outer parcel
#

They do feel like a harder 99 include tho

junior meteor
#

yeah they might not make it at the end

#

but i think it's a very reasonable 1drop

outer parcel
#

Its a goofy way to look at it a bit, but in the right deck they are a ragavan dupe

junior meteor
#

yeah

#

im gonna throw em into considering

#

and see if i have enough ways to actually make them a 4/5 or whatever

#

i do get quint too

#

[[Quintorius Kand]]

static gustBOT
#

Legendary Planeswalker β€” Quintorius
Whenever you cast a spell from exile, Quintorius Kand deals 2 damage to each opponent and you gain 2 life.
+1: Create a 3/2 red and white Spirit creature token.
βˆ’3: Discover 4.
βˆ’6: Exile any number of target cards from your graveyard. Add manar for each card exiled this way. You may play those cards this turn.
Loyalty: 4

junior meteor
#

idk if he's worth it here but

#

πŸ‘€

#

but the real reason i wanted to play gwen is that airbend is really, really good with the back half

#

very specifically [[monk gyatso]]

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

holy fuck what if i put [[three wishes]] in this shit

static gustBOT
junior meteor
#

the OG

junior meteor
#

this feels kinda bad, i don't really have a lot i can do with this

#

:/

junior meteor
#

yeah, decklist deleted, that fucking sucked

peak shuttle
#

Shame Gwen didn't work out for you.

peak shuttle
#

There's a good number of other exile matters Commanders that could be appealing at least.

junior meteor
#

its nbd we give it up and move on

junior meteor
#

Alright so this is comboless mobnix

#

Would love some thoughts if someone bops online and sees it.

junior meteor
#

@dapper mortar what dost thou think of comboless mobnix

#

(sorry for the ping you were the homie that had a green circle)

dapper mortar
#

All good

#

Looking now

#

My only real response is β€œyup that’s mob nix”

junior meteor
#

yep that's mob nix

dapper mortar
#

I’d wanna run underworld dreams instead of fate unraveler

junior meteor
#

it will create a 21 power demon and hit my opponents in the face with it

dapper mortar
#

If your fixing can support it

junior meteor
#

my deck is shockingly black-light