There is a 1 drop that tutor a elemental
#Dance of the Elementals Precon Communal Brewing Thread
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gusty charm
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surreal needle
[[flamekin elemental]]
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Creature — Elemental
, 
, Sacrifice this creature: It deals damage equal to its power to target creature.
Storyteller: By my hand in the fire, this story is a tale of power. Listeners: May it give you strength.
3/2
gusty charm
feel like I should run bloom tender
surreal needle
feel like I should run bloom tender
It’s good if you have the fund
Fae elder is good too
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Creature — Treefolk Druid
Vigilance
This creature gets +1/+1 for each color among permanents you control.
: For each color among permanents you control, add one mana of that color.
Faeries trade trinkets for tales, growing their knowledge and his collection.
0/0
gusty charm
eh I don't really want 3 drop rocks, but I'll put it in the maybeboard
surreal needle
There is some 2 cmc dorks that add 2 for elemental lol
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Creature — Elemental Bard
: Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast Elemental spells or activate abilities of Elemental sources.
"You seek guidance on your Path. Then let me provide it: What greater flame is there than the sun?"
2/2
Creature — Elemental Shaman
: Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast Elemental spells or activate abilities of Elementals.
"Be silent and listen to your inner fire. Only then can you walk the Path of Flame."
1/1
gusty charm
I got [[noble hierarch]] and [[ignoble hierarch]]
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Creature — Human Druid
Exalted (Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, that creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
: Add 
, 
, or 
.
She protects the sacred groves from blight, drought, and the Unbeholden.
0/1
Creature — Goblin Shaman
Exalted (Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, that creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
: Add 
, , or .
"You, toadlet! Bring me a goblet of your bog's finest fire-slug slime!"
0/1
surreal needle
I got [[noble hierarch]] and [[ignoble hierarch]]
I would do ignoble only
gusty charm
I want to limit non-elementals as much as possible but those mana dorks are juicy
why?
gusty charm
[[urza's incubator]]?
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Creature spells of the chosen type cost 
less to cast.
"Our recruitment drives are bringing in fewer fresh troops every day. We need a new strategy." —Urza, to Tawnos
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Enchantment
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
Creatures you control get -1/-1.
"They won't be winning any beauty pageants, but they'll do the trick." —Enslow, ghoulcaller of Nephalia
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[[temur battlecrier]]
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Creature — Orc Ranger
During your turn, spells you cast cost 
less to cast for each creature you control with power 4 or greater.
When called to the land's defense, all come to protect their shared home. It's why many of the Temur use "family" and "herd" interchangeably.
4/3
gusty charm
[[greater good]] seems to be unanimously good as well
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gusty charm
I'm going to add termur battlecrier
wait does teferi's veil let you keep tokens o.o
[[teferi's veil]]
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surreal needle
[[greater good]] seems to be unanimously good as well
Yes
[[sundial of the infinite]]
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Artifact
, : End the turn. Activate only during your turn. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. Discard down to your maximum hand size. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.)
gusty charm
there are a lot of good options for this deck XD
surreal needle
[[birthing ritual]] is my fav
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gusty charm
also [[birthing pod]]
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Artifact
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
, , Sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a creature card with mana value equal to 1 plus the sacrificed creature's mana value, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
gusty charm
and I guess I should run [[food chain]]
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surreal needle
also [[birthing pod]]
Birthing pod is too restrictive for my liking
In this deck ofc
Food chain is good even without squee
surreal needle
It’s have to me exact cmc no ?
Sac 2 get 3
Sac 3 get 4
I have to make a pod deck for it to work
gusty charm
I mean birthing ritual does the same thing
gusty charm
oh yea fair enough
surreal needle
Pod require you to build a deck around it almost
gusty charm
yea that's fair
you do get to search your library though
not just top 7
so it's easier to find what you need
surreal needle
Ritual just for me to not waste the token almost
gusty charm
I'm going with a sacrifice theme
wonder if I should run [[sacrifice]] and [[burnt offering]]
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Add an amount of equal to the sacrificed creature's mana value.
Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
Add X mana in any combination of and/or , where X is the sacrificed creature's mana value.
"My foes serve me twice: in dying, and in death." —Lim-Dûl, the Necromancer
surreal needle
If you storm off then maybe ?
gusty charm
here's what I got so far https://archidekt.com/decks/19320004/limitless_potential
gusty charm
why not
surreal needle
[[sunderflock]]
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Creature — Elemental
This spell costs 
less to cast, where X is the greatest mana value among Elementals you control.
Flying
When this creature enters, if you cast it, return all non-Elemental creatures to their owners' hands.
5/5
surreal needle
@gusty charm
olive fox
[[birthing ritual]] is my fav
And my fav
surreal needle
yea I got that, farewell, and toxic deluge
Farewell bad in this deck ngl
zinc cliff
Farewell is overrated
Just run more creature tutors for sunderflock
Lotta green instant tutors that sac a creature
[[Eldritch evolution]]
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zinc cliff
[[natural order]]
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Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Search your library for a creature card with mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
zinc cliff
This deck basically needs ashling plus 2 other creatures on board to go infinite
So running a suite if tutors makes a lot of sense
surreal needle
Sunderflock have to be cast so there is a litmit on what tutor you can use btw @zinc cliff
surreal needle
Most of ashling stuff need to be cast for benefit anyway
zinc cliff
Time to rethink my strategy
I was going to have 8 tutors to swap in for higher powered games
olive fox
Farewell is overrated
I agree with this
viscid vault
risen reef is absolutely mad in this deck... I used to have a 60 card deck built around it and elementals etb, and you would basically end up with your entire deck in your hand but because it says look instead of draw, you aren't drawing... but man, if you copy risen reef a few times, and throw a zendikars roil in there following a landfall theme, the shit pops off and you need pen and paper to keep track of all the triggers xD
and I was trying to translate that 60 card idea into a commander deck for like 4 years now but never really got around to nailing it down... and then this deck came out and did the job for me lol
risen reef included
viscid vault
that deck had a lotus cobra in it too which would go nutty with land drops especially if you had those cards that let you play more than one land, or use a bunch of fetch lands
pop off, drop a scampering scorchers, triggger it all again, elementals get haste, swing ftw, orrrrr, play a jace or lab man and draw a card ftw lol
zinc cliff
I added copy effects to this deck and if I get a copy of risen reef it's gg
viscid vault
100%
my goal is to adjust my deck a bit so that it more resembles teh landfall elemental deck I had as a 60 card version
surreal needle
Wizard see scam deck in other format and finally put it in commander through this precon
zinc cliff
Wizard see scam deck in other format and finally put it in commander through th...
This deck is legit so wild
olive fox
[[promise of loyalty]]
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olive fox
this is a very good wrath in this deck
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Sorcery
Choose up to one target creature, then airbend all other creatures. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Until your next turn, your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hands.
Exile Avatar's Wrath.
gusty charm
Farewell bad in this deck ngl
Wdym
surreal needle
Wdym
You rarely don’t want your resource to be gone ever
This deck like to recur stuff back too
gusty charm
I run board wipes in case i fall behind
At which point killing my own stuff is agreeable
surreal needle
Not exile thou
surreal needle
😔 you do you
gusty charm
It's good against my opponent's artifact and enchantment decks
surreal needle
You will end up with a lot of enchainment too lol
gusty charm
A necessary sacrifice
olive fox
I thought you have a lot of creature on board
Yeah, you sac your nontoken elementals, and then make copies of them
gusty charm
I think I'm running8 enchantments
olive fox
I do agree that farewell is usually pretty extra
I like Promise because you can pseudo evoke your elementals
Since you sac all but 1
gusty charm
I'm trying to build the most efficient and high powr b3 version i can
So that i can keep up
olive fox
You keep ashling and sac everything else, and make copies of the nontokens you sacced to the Promise
gusty charm
[[Promise of power]]?
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Sorcery
Choose one —
• You draw five cards and you lose 5 life.
• Create an X/X black Demon creature token with flying, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
Entwine 
(Choose both if you pay the entwine cost.)
olive fox
[[promise of loyalty]]
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gusty charm
I'm building a sac strategy so that coukd be useful
olive fox
Yeah
I think its a good wrath for this deck, and does great against most other deck types except voltron and maybe reanimator
gusty charm
Farewell is so useful thoughD:
gusty charm
Board wipes are meant to help even the playing field, not as synergy or a cmbo enabler
olive fox
They can absolutely be both
You just have to find the ones that make that work
Like Promise in a deck that likes saccing creatures
Or split up in a deck that likes to stay untapped or something.
gusty charm
So what do i do against my opponents artifact and enchantment strategies
surreal needle
[[bane of progress]]
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surreal needle
This MF is a elemental
gusty charm
I mean that's cool but triggering twice seems redundant lol
Also the artifact deck wants them in the gy
Makes the combos easier
I guess I'll go back to the old adae "player remova is the best removal"
zinc cliff
[[titan of industry]]
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zinc cliff
Typically does enough
surreal needle
Typically does enough
No not really
gusty charm
Typically does enough
It does not. Not against my opponent's deck
His deck wants artifacts in the graveyard
surreal needle
[[no rest for the wicked]]
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gusty charm
Down with mdfcs! They are a commie plot!
surreal needle
Down with mdfcs! They are a commie plot!
I need a sponsor so I can get 10 copy of sink in the stupor
surreal needle
Same with [[bala ged discovery]] for me
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surreal needle
[[bala ged recovery]]
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Sorcery
Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
"Always have a backup plan." —Doral, Bala Ged guide
Bala Ged Sanctuary
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
"I know it's around here somewhere." —Doral, Bala Ged guide
surreal needle
pinnacle monk to an extent
zinc cliff
Fell the profane
surreal needle
Fell the profane
This one bad imo
zinc cliff
Waterlogged tome
surreal needle
[[malakir rebirth]]
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Instant
Choose target creature. You lose 2 life. Until end of turn, that creature gains "When this creature dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control."
"Those who fail to escape Malakir become part of the city's defense." —Doros, expedition guide
Malakir Mire
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
"Getting into Malakir isn't difficult. It's getting out that's the hard part." —Doros, expedition guide
zinc cliff
Sejiri shelter
surreal needle
[[witch enchanter]]
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Creature — Human Warlock
When this creature enters, destroy target artifact or enchantment an opponent controls.
Shilgengar's famine once starved Stensia into embracing vampirism. The Dawnhart Coven would not let the same happen to Kessig.
2/2
Witch-Blessed Meadow
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
"Ghrin-Danu will not let her people go hungry." —Katilda, Dawnhart Prime
zinc cliff
I really enjoy hydroelectric specimen
surreal needle
I really enjoy hydroelectric specimen
There also the clone one
gusty charm
I'm not running mdfcs sadly
zinc cliff
Why
zinc cliff
Run more lands
surreal needle
Cut all land only weird mana sources
gusty charm
I'm not running mdfcs because I'm trying to be as efficient as possible wth remova spells and the like
Bala ged recovery is very good though
gusty charm
@surreal needle still not done with ashling
surreal needle
<@429656957629235201> still not done with ashling
Skill issues ?
gusty charm
I just don't see any good elementals lol
I have room for...27 more cards?
I think that's right
gusty charm
well the point is to evoke all of them right?
I guess I just don't see the wincon in the list I'm building
not combat damage
zinc cliff
[[shroud stomper]]
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gusty charm
I'm good at combo decks but this is tough D:
zinc cliff
Are you trying to combo
zinc cliff
[[titan of industry]]
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zinc cliff
[[havock elemental]]
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gusty charm
are those elementals actually that good or are there just no better options
zinc cliff
[[tyrant of progress]]
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[[tyrant of discord]]
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gusty charm
should I run [[jegantha]]?
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Elk
Companion — No card in your starting deck has more than one of the same mana symbol in its mana cost. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for 
as a sorcery.)
: Add . This mana can't be spent to pay generic mana costs.
5/5
zinc cliff
Imo no
olive fox
eh
zinc cliff
Kinda trash
olive fox
it pays for an end step trigger usually
gusty charm
not as a companion, just in the 99
zinc cliff
Doesn't do much
olive fox
its hard to make good use of it since it can't pay generic costs
gusty charm
how often does the deck pay for end step triggers
olive fox
for me, not often
zinc cliff
Basically never
gusty charm
so how does the deck win
gusty charm
most of the elementals edhrec is recommending are removal pieces
or pieces whose value only shines over multiple turns
zinc cliff
Edhrec is trash
gusty charm
I'm also looking at other lists
gusty charm
what about [[moonshadow]]
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zinc cliff
Why
gusty charm
idk, just asking
zinc cliff
[[cavalier of flame]]
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Creature — Elemental Knight
: Creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn.
When this creature enters, discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards.
When this creature dies, it deals X damage to each opponent and each planeswalker they control, where X is the number of land cards in your graveyard.
6/5
gusty charm
that seems kind of mid
zinc cliff
I mean moonshadow is a 7/7
This is a 6/5 that will also hit face for 3-5 damage
And a wheel
Technically a double wheel
gusty charm
I feel like I've already got the best elementals in the deck and the rest just have to be mid XD
surreal needle
[[nulldrifter]]
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Creature — Eldrazi Elemental
When you cast this spell, draw two cards.
Flying
Annihilator 1 (Whenever this creature attacks, defending player sacrifices a permanent of their choice.)
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters.)
4/4
surreal needle
[[lamentation]]
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Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, destroy target creature an opponent controls. You gain 3 life.
Encore 
(, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
5/4
surreal needle
[[jubilation]]
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Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, creatures you control get +2/+2 and gain trample until end of turn.
Encore 
(, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
5/5
gusty charm
I have both of those
I don't understand jubilation though
since creatures don't really stay on the board
olive fox
They are going to get called mid
the trick is: they aren't
olive fox
since creatures don't really stay on the board
idk how yall aren't getting any creatures to stick
like there's various token generation, plus if you use any of the cheating stuff like Birthing Ritual, then you absolutely get stuff that stays
olive fox
I wouldn't use pod for how specific it has to be
gusty charm
I just didn't see it XD
olive fox
but also the elemental that makes 3 tokens on ETB...
gusty charm
but you can search your whole library so it's easier to find stuff
olive fox
that's 6 bodies for 4 mana
gusty charm
that's 6 bodies for 4 mana
which one is that?
olive fox
which one is that?
[[belonging]]
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Creature — Elemental Incarnation
When this creature enters, create three 1/1 colorless Shapeshifter creature tokens with changeling. (They're every creature type.)
Encore (, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
6/6
olive fox
That card sucks ass
yet you wonder why you never have bodies but I do
also if this is ass Im worried about what cards you deem "fine" or "good"
surreal needle
I still win game
gusty charm
it's not bad
olive fox
because this card is so far from "ass"
4-mana 6/6 that makes 6 1/1s
surreal needle
yet you wonder why you never have bodies but I do
also if this is ass Im worrie...
[[rhystic study]] good card
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Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays .
Friends teach what you want to know. Enemies teach what you need to know.
surreal needle
👍
olive fox
fuck rhystic study
anyways
"Belonging is ass" is maybe the silliest thing I've read today
gusty charm
fuck rhystic study
this is it for me
surreal needle
"Belonging is ass" is maybe the silliest thing I've read today
First card I cut tbh
After cream of the crop actually
😂
olive fox
After cream of the crop actually
first off, I was gonna say if CotC survived longer than that I'd have concerns
second off, there's several other things that if they survived longer I have concerns about
also just having bodies is how you don't die on the crackback
Kind of like what happens in Bello
surreal needle
this deck have too much removal
Crack back never happened
Maybe I’ll add belonging so it can be food for solitude
olive fox
oh so you just took out most of the board in favor of no board for everyone else
sounds boring
:p
olive fox
Maybe I’ll add belonging so it can be food for solitude
it does do that too
surreal needle
Eh I rather exile horde of nortion lol 😆
olive fox
but like, Jegantha, Muldrotha, Realmwalker, Selvala, Shatter the Sky, Timeless Lotus, Cream of the Crop, Abundant Growth, Fertile Ground, Hoofprints of the Stag
I'd easily cut all of those over Belonging
surreal needle
Muldrotha still here
For grindy game
Also
I have bling for that card
I have to cut my baby boy shriekmaw for solitude
gusty charm
muldrotha just seems lame tbh
surreal needle
😭 funny enough ashling having a 66% WR rn
But according to people my list is garbage lmao
surreal needle
surreal needle
your list works good in your meta ☝️
either I’m building it too strong or people just don’t respect ashling
olive fox
😭 funny enough ashling having a 66% WR rn
Im also at a 66% win rate I think
it might be 75%
Ive either played 3 or 4 games
olive fox
im either 2/3 or 3/4
surreal needle
😂
olive fox
Also <@1229563994218561550> ashling cedh become 5c lumbra deck
well that sounds boring
surreal needle
well that sounds boring
Lumbra combo is the most interesting thing about cedh ngl
At least it’s flashy to look at
olive fox
Lumbra combo is the most interesting thing about cedh ngl
yeah...
my point stands
(its all preference, its fine)
gusty charm
Also <@1229563994218561550> ashling cedh become 5c lumbra deck
yea I saw that
gusty charm
At least it’s flashy to look at
ral is pretty dope too
surreal needle
yea I saw that
It’s lumbra deck but you also get to play breach
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muted mural
Plus: it's a free counterspell for at least someone's commander. It feels satisfying to play a complete horizontal cycle in a 5c deck.
Minus: ashlings ability doesn't do anything for this
Can this deck cedh and if yes is it better than just playing lumra in the zone?
surreal needle
Can this deck cedh and if yes is it better than just playing lumra in the zone?
This become lumbra is just another line
And you can play breach
surreal needle
Also prolly cutting [[heartless summon]] now
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Enchantment
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
Creatures you control get -1/-1.
"They won't be winning any beauty pageants, but they'll do the trick." —Enslow, ghoulcaller of Nephalia
ruby cradle
Can this deck cedh and if yes is it better than just playing lumra in the zone?
YES this deck can cEDH
Wait lowkey lemme make my own thread
zinc cliff
Also prolly cutting [[heartless summon]] now
The black pip is a problem
surreal needle
The black pip is a problem
lol I play black
jovial brook
i pulled an anime moonshadow that i wanna put in deck any suggestions for what to cut for it even in an upgraded version? aka looking to upgrade the precon and want to add my anime moonshadow
maybe [[realmwalker]]?
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surreal needle
[[moonshadow]]
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zinc cliff
It's pretty bad
surreal needle
It’s pretty ok modern 1 drop in black I think
In ashling it doesn’t do anything
Maybe 1 mana risen reef triggered ?
zinc cliff
Bleh
surreal needle
😂
olive fox
this is a dope card
it pairs well with that new Blight dork
but its not for this deck
gusty charm
YES this deck can cEDH
I don't see the deck converting very well though
zinc cliff
It can storm off with 2 cards + ashling
gusty charm
curious. what 2 cards?
zinc cliff
Any graveyard recursion+ either temur battlecrier or animar
olive fox
(notably ashling only gives evoke to elementals in hand)
zinc cliff
Yeah that's why a gyard recursion elemental is necessary
Led + a reducer + a gyard ele would do it too
For the any target recursion
gusty charm
I mean kefka was converting its first weekend D:
surreal needle
Ashling cedh is lumbra with breach on the side b
gusty charm
yea but lumra is plenty powerful enough on her own
we'll just have to wait and see I guess
ruby cradle
Ashling cedh is lumbra with breach on the side b
No its not
Ashling cEDH doesnt even run lumra
surreal needle
You can
ruby cradle
I don't see the deck converting very well though
“5c can only be so bad” vibes
gusty charm
sisay is 5c
zinc cliff
Sisay is fine
ruby cradle
sisay is 5c
sisay is a top cedh deck 😭🥀
olive fox
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ruby cradle
the best player i know was like
one of the top cEDH ranked players in the world
playing sisay prebans
dude had a diabolical winrate
surreal needle
Upgrade for the best card in the deck
olive fox
I also pulled one of those
zinc cliff
That's hot
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surreal needle
One thing fun about this deck is that even if I don’t win I usually get to do stuff before I lose which make me happy
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surreal needle
You should
and doom someone for 5
olive fox
It’s 4 mana drain 6 draw 3
draw 3? or 2?
surreal needle
draw 3? or 2?
2 etb and attack
olive fox
oh its probably in my bulk
viscid vault
kinda wanna fuck with this... think it could pop a bit:
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clear quarry
[[funeral room]]
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Enchantment — Room
Whenever a creature you control dies, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
Awakening Hall
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, return all creature cards from your graveyard to the battlefield.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
clear quarry
Has a rise of the dark realms on the back side to get all your evoked elementals back
surreal needle
Everytime I think about blood artist effect I talked myself out of it bc
“I have bigger fish to fry”
viscid vault
fair
surreal needle
@olive fox should I bling endurance or solitude ?
surreal needle
olive fox
<@623727335090290688> should I bling endurance or solitude ?
Umm, yes
surreal needle
Umm, yes
Too late I lived solitude
I traded in the regular copy
And pay some money for the spg one
olive fox
[[skullclamp]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/-1.
Whenever equipped creature dies, draw two cards.
Equip
Mardu blacksmiths can distill the technology of any clan and make it their own. Whether or not they should is another question.
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viscid vault
https://scryfall.com/card/drc/7/renewed-solidarity
I like
olive fox
[[muster the departed]]
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olive fox
[[birthing ritual]]
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olive fox
[[monstrous vortex]] this isn't as good but its fun
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surreal needle
Honestly I think I’m cutting all fetches from this deck
surreal needle
good...
No fetches are good in other deck
This deck doesn’t need color post turn 5 🤣
And this land base might be way too optimized
viscid vault
https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/36/muster-the-departed
I like this
surreal needle
oh holy fucking shit i forgot how different these would be lmao
What lol ?
opaque path
https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/36/muster-the-departed
mustard the departed
surreal needle
Wait if I using [[reflection of littjara]]
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surreal needle
Does the copy also have convoke
olive fox
Does the copy also have convoke
With?
olive fox
What is giving them convoke I mean
surreal needle
What is giving them convoke I mean
Idk
surreal needle
https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/164/reflections-of-littjara
This said copy the spell
Would the token have the convoke trigger as well
humble flume
Would the token have the convoke trigger as well
It does cuz CR 707.10
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humble flume
" ...A copy of a spell or ability copies both the characteristics of the spell or ability and all decisions made for it, including modes, targets, the value of X, and additional or alternative costs. (See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”)... "
Evoke is an alternative casting cost and carries the additional effect
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Sorcerer
Elemental permanent spells you cast from your hand gain evoke as you cast them. (If you cast a spell for its evoke cost, it's sacrificed when it enters.)
Whenever you sacrifice a nontoken Elemental, create a token that's a copy of it. The token gains haste until end of turn. At the beginning of your next end step, sacrifice it unless you pay .
2/3
surreal needle
Ok reflection is mid
olive fox
Yeah its not for this kind of commander
humble flume
Yeah its not for this kind of commander
I didnt realized for [[Renewed solidarity]] its a very funny interaction cuz i thought ashling was each endstep
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olive fox
I didnt realized for [[Renewed solidarity]] its a very funny interaction cuz i t...
Nope
olive fox
https://scryfall.com/card/drc/7/renewed-solidarity
Yeah this card is cracked
ruby cradle
What lol ?
Nothing I just havent brewed or looked at casual edh in super long
I forgot that damn near every aspect of our decks would be different
T’s veil is a dope pull
surreal needle
😔
ruby cradle
I forgot that damn near every aspect of our decks would be different
@zinc cliff why the ❌
ruby cradle
ah
surreal needle
I should stop bling out this deck right ?
zinc cliff
Why
surreal needle
Why ?
olive fox
I should stop bling out this deck right ?
I mean, keep blinging if you want to
surreal needle
I mean, keep blinging if you want to
There is no more cool art to bling
Maybe [[cavalier of dawn|spg]]
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surreal needle
Nvm this shit is $20+
olive fox
@ruby cradle this is my list if you want to take a gander
ruby cradle
<@692481117013540975> this is my list if you want to take a gander
Descendant's Virtue is so hot wtf
I wanna be able to play this
olive fox
[[descendant's virtue]]
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ruby cradle
oh wait not virtue
olive fox
[[descendant's fury]] you mean this?
ruby cradle
im slow
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olive fox
yeah I love the ways to cheat to copies made
Birthing Ritual being my favorite one (first card I threw into my modification)
ruby cradle
https://scryfall.com/card/ecc/93/descendants-fury
this is like deadass so close to being cEDH playable too holy 😭
olive fox
nah
surreal needle
But now there is more prio cut
surreal needle
Kindred summon getting gut soon
olive fox
just to give myself a little group of "hey these are the ones to maybe do first"
olive fox
olive fox
Belonging was in my 10 first cut
and this is where you know you and I took the deck in very different ways
surreal needle
I sit on ashling and took 10-20 life out of people every turns
And called it profit
Or draws 5-15 cards every turn
Or destroyed 3-8 permanent
Depend on how I feel
Then pass the turn with ashling a dork
And 2-4 value engine (enchainment)
olive fox
I just make it close to impossible for people to attack me sometimes
that or I also just chunk everyone's life totals
surreal needle
I add back AoZ so I can close the game sooner
olive fox
I do those things too fish, but there's also the mode in my deck of "hey there's like 15 creatures out here"
olive fox
I cheat witht hem
surreal needle
This is the only thing I hard cast
olive fox
I just talked about using Birthing Ritual and friends
surreal needle
You have 1 copy of it lol
olive fox
this can just be a scam deck, fish
olive fox
You have 1 copy of it lol
Descendant's Fury, Muster the Departed, Birthing Ritual
and those are just the ways we cheat on the tokens, let alone cheating on casts and shit
surreal needle
That 3
olive fox
Also birthing ritual never live pass 2 cycle ngl
Ive yet to have it removed
surreal needle
Bc you play against bad player ?
olive fox
and I think every game Ive played with it Ive had at least 1
surreal needle
Prolly
olive fox
Bc you play against bad player ?
no
surreal needle
olive fox
this deck is still pretty new as well, for what its worth
its been 3 weeks now?
and also them not realizing what the card is does not mean they're a bad player
surreal needle
Even fucking [[riveteer ascendancy]] got remove
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olive fox
especially if they've never played against it
ruby cradle
My pod is starting to catch on to the cards that they just always have to counter
olive fox
Even fucking [[riveteer ascendancy]] got remove
jokes on you I don't play this one
surreal needle
Joke on you it’s good
olive fox
My pod is starting to catch on to the cards that they just *always* have to coun...
yeah, this happens
people learn over time, but its still new
olive fox
Joke on you it’s good
I know it is
I even talked about running it here
olive fox
if I had a copy I'd run it
surreal needle
My deck is being more of the henzie style ngl
olive fox
yeah
olive fox
mine is not too many changes, so its doing whatever it wants to do
which very often just means killing people
ruby cradle
yeah, this happens
people learn over time, but its still new
Mainly its the fact that "i kill ashling in response" just ruins so much of the deck lmao
ruby cradle
bro secretly wants to be on cedh
ruby cradle
What is with ashling and lumra combos 😭🥀
ruby cradle
No it isn't 😭
Lumra being good requires such a high density of lands
Lumra cEDH runs like 50 lands
Minstrel Lumra runs like 50+
If you put 50+ lands into an Ashling deck, the deck is just no longer good
zinc cliff
Wtf
zinc cliff
Damn
zinc cliff
very glad I bought everything I wanted for the deck + a few extras
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Legendary Creature — Bird Bard
Flying
Zinnia gets +X/+0, where X is the number of other creatures you control with base power 1.
Creature spells you cast gain offspring as you cast them. (You may pay an additional as you cast a creature spell. If you do, when that creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
1/3
mighty belfry
works with evoke
olive fox
if I wasn't wary about including non-elementals I'd try it
surreal needle
I think other 3CMC enchantment that do similar is better than this ngl
mighty belfry
but its also a cast trigger
gleaming summit
A cast trigger that does nothing but wasted mana if it gets countered. Like some one said above, theres alot of similar mana costing enchantments that creates tokens and such that dont leave the battlefield and are less susceptible to removal
My current listing for the deck
humble flume
My current listing for the deck
Rakdos the muscle is a bit wierd but I can see it
Just because you cant evoke the stuff he does rummage
gleaming summit
Rakdos the muscle is a bit wierd but I can see it
Its an additional win condition with greenwarden. Exiles everybody's library.
It also gives me card advantage from other players libraries if need be
surreal needle
https://archidekt.com/decks/18790949/conjures_of_elementals
There a lot of card I don’t agree with this list but this is your style so hey
gleaming summit
There a lot of card I don’t agree with this list but this is your style so hey
Thats fine. Im play testing and changing it. Im always all ears and open for changes
surreal needle
https://moxfield.com/decks/gcnCR6WxNkO7DgswZsShRQ
Lack of elemental smh
ruby cradle
Lack of elemental smh
The vast majority of my wins are still via elemental icl
Like it hasnt become boring to pilot yet
Impulsivity just wins games
Murasa combos are my main winlines
Avatar is a broken ramp spell that I cast literally every game
Omni is heat
ruby cradle
Lmaoo
surreal needle
And it’s still good
ruby cradle
I havent touched the primer in a sec
ruby cradle
Asking should have costs like 4 and red
Yeah but they totally could have made it 1R
Im asking for fun and broken not fair
surreal needle
I mean no they couldn’t
olive fox
This line actually wild
Jesus
ruby cradle
Ig maybe it gets nutty in casual
surreal needle
Turn 1 ashimg is super easy
olive fox
Its not impossible
surreal needle
Even at 3mana
olive fox
If your deck really wants to
olive fox
cEDH it would just be like
That’s not what they design for
And also yes it still would be ridiculous
ruby cradle
It would not be ridiculous in cEDH
And I know they dont design for cEDH
But Im writing for cEDH
So the comment is in the context of cEDH
ruby cradle
It would just be a good 5c turbo list
surreal needle
Period
ruby cradle
It wouldnt be "ridiculous" or "nutty" or "huge impact on format"
olive fox
😐
ruby cradle
It would probably be the best pure 5c turbo list but that's not saying an incredible amount imho
surreal needle
People takes getting wild these days that storm’s take become tame
ruby cradle
Do you like play cEDH ?
olive fox
I do not but I know fish does
But even then I don’t think it takes the most seasoned wizard to know that ashling shouldn’t cost 2 mana
ruby cradle
Ashling should not cost 2 mana
But
Within the context of cEDH
It would be fine for Ashling to cost 2 mana
surreal needle
Still no
olive fox
Both in the context of c and in general
ruby cradle
Literally how
Theres still better turbo lists
And theres still better 5c lists
If its not literally the best thing of its archetype, then its fine
olive fox
You just said it would be the best turbo list if it was 2 mana lol
ruby cradle
No, I said it would be the best 5c pure turbo list
olive fox
And that’s just in the context of c
In the context of commander itself 2 mana is ludicrous as a suggestion
ruby cradle
Nobody is talking about outside of c?
ruby cradle
No
Because Sisay's effect is better
Sisay would literally still be a better deck than 1R Ashling
surreal needle
The one thing for sure that ashling is not a cedh commander Ive just been joking about it, its bracket for combo at best, but in the card design stand point making Ashling 1R would be like one of the most broken commander ever made prolly
ruby cradle
Dawg what
First of all Ashling is cEDH viable
😭
Second of all, I disagree
TnK would still be better
Sisay would still be better
Ral and RogSi, hell even Etali would still be better turbo lists
Maybe not Etali
Kinnan still takes "most broken 2 drop commander"
ruby cradle
First of all Ashling is cEDH viable
(More on this: Ashling is at worst about as bad as Najeela, which is still viable, there's just not really much point in playing her over other 5c options. The existence of broken commanders in the same color doesn't make the other options unviable, it just makes them obsolete)
ruby cradle
The decks are fundamentally different imo but like sure
Its at least on par with Najeela
Which is at least a 5c commander with some utility
Which is cEDH viable
ruby cradle
Its viable
surreal needle
“Viable”
ruby cradle
Ive been performing fine with it but you coudlnt catch me at a big tourney with it
ruby cradle
Icl im taking this with a grain of salt cause yo ass was pushing Lumra 😭
surreal needle
That I can give you
ruby cradle
Ashling is a fun b5
surreal needle
It’s a b4
surreal needle
“Fun”
ruby cradle
Theres kinda nothing you can say to negate the literal game experience
Playing with cEDH players on this deck
🥀
surreal needle
Cedh games I play lately is like b4 with a bluefarm player
surreal needle
my deck turn everyone deck into b4
ruby cradle
I play with consistent players on meta decks, and every once in a while, one of us wants to switch it up and play some new brew
ruby cradle
There are at least 2 meta decks in the pod at all times, usually 3-4
And Ashling is fun there
And the comment "Ashling is b4" doesnt do anything to negate the experience of Ashling in B5
surreal needle
If I have to make something ashling something b5 I start with this prolly
😂
Don’t ask why bane of progress in there
ruby cradle
If I have to make something ashling something b5 I start with this prolly
Which is why Im taking this with a grain of salt 😭
surreal needle
Things are
I like midrange than turbo
I wish I can stax them more in this list
ruby cradle
Mulldrifter is js like not good
Bane is actively bad icl
Lumra is yet again not good 😭😭
Like yeah hell maybe this list would thrive in B4 Ill give you that
surreal needle
Bane is actively bad icl
Listen i have to add more dorks in here
Bc cutting down on rock
gleaming summit
1R ashling would indeed be better than najeela and sisay. Would quite literally be one of the best food chain commanders at that cost.
opaque path
https://moxfield.com/decks/gcnCR6WxNkO7DgswZsShRQ
bro has 9 elementals total
opaque path
https://archidekt.com/decks/18790949/conjures_of_elementals
ive never seen [[tyrant of discord]] before
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ruby cradle
1R ashling would indeed be better than najeela and sisay. Would quite literally ...
It would be better than Najeela by far
But cEDH Sisay would still be better
ruby cradle
bro has 9 elementals total
Shits heat
opaque path
Shits heat
how 😭
ruby cradle
how 😭
I still do elmental stuff every game
Most of my wins are ashling lines
I tutor for Avatar of Growth or Impulsivity like every game
opaque path
I tutor for Avatar of Growth or Impulsivity like every game
ah
ruby cradle
Maelstrom Wanderer + Vamp Tutor wins, Greenwarden + Burnt Offering or Sacrifice, Greenwarden + Jwill
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ruby cradle
Im only on a few elementals but they consistently hit the field
humble flume
https://archidekt.com/decks/11948370/copy_of_elemental_stampede
Could [[Radiant performer]] work in here?
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humble flume
Activate the wubrg
Copy it for each elemental in grave
Wait no
Cards arent permanents in grave
opaque path
i need room for [[fulminator mage]] and [[champion of the path]]
opaque path
especially the champion
opaque path
Cards arent permanents in grave
what are they then
opaque path
because if thats how it works how does [[acolite of affliction work]]
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humble flume
"Permanent card"
opaque path
or [[aether helix]]
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humble flume
Key part there is permanent card
opaque path
but they are not permenents
flint oracleBOT
humble flume
The important part there in those is it says "card"
opaque path
if its stops being a permenent then it should not be able to be targeted regardless
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Legendary Creature — Elemental
Vigilance, trample, haste
: You may play target Elemental card from your graveyard without paying its mana cost.
Even the oldest treefolk was but an acorn when Lorwyn's first mysteries were born.
5/5
humble flume
The problem is the performer itself
It says copy a spell or ability targeting a permanent or player
Because horde isnt targeting a permanent or player
You cant use it on that ability
opaque path
https://scryfall.com/card/stx/162/aether-helix
because if its not permenent even if the spell says permenent card you dont have any permenents in your graveyard therefore no permenent cards
humble flume
because if its not permenent even if the spell says permenent card you dont have...
The important part of what you said
Card
Its defining a characteristic
flint oracleBOT
opaque path
ah ok
humble flume
Its a wierd unintuitive thing
olive fox
It is pretty dope
surreal needle
If it doesn’t need so much mana/set up to work I would run it more
zinc cliff
I feel like I'd need a cedh lvl manabase to run it
surreal needle
I feel like I'd need a cedh lvl manabase to run it
Just a bunch of fetches and shocks would be ok
You don’t need like Og dual
gleaming summit
My fiance runs an upgraded mass of mystery and its honestly really fun. Still keeps the omnaths because their etbs and die triggers are so dangerous in the deck regardless of legendary rules
surreal needle
Yeah I think it can run a lot of unique cards
If you look at the vivid elemental in the main set they was made for MoM
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surreal needle
At worst it’s a better mulldrifter kinda
zinc cliff
I mean its 5cards a lot of the time
the main concern I have with the deck is that it will be way too reliant on MoM to do anything
and at 5 mana he kinda sux to recast
opaque path
the main concern I have with the deck is that it will be way too reliant on MoM ...
[[legion loyalty]]
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opaque path
[[duke ulder ravenguard]]
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opaque path
[[blade of selves]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has myriad. (Whenever it attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
Equip
opaque path
just some others things that give myriad
zinc cliff
just some others things that give myriad
Do you think its better to give more myriad or token doublers?
Or should I just run both
opaque path
Do you think its better to give more myriad or token doublers?
run both
if you dont have your commander you cant give myriad
so you should add other ways to give myriad
zinc cliff
Fair
surreal needle
[[teferi veil]] broken
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surreal needle
Don’t work with MoM though
zinc cliff
[[breath of fury]]
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surreal needle
There better extra combat than this ngl
zinc cliff
This goes infinite
surreal needle
How lol
zinc cliff
If you are making tokens each combat you can keep attaching it
Obviously myriad doesn't work tho
Unless you have the master multiplied out
surreal needle
It’s an aura ?
ruby cradle
Do you think its better to give more myriad or token doublers?
What are the cheapest (cmc wise, or otherwise cheatable ig) token doublers?
zinc cliff
What are the cheapest (cmc wise, or otherwise cheatable ig) token doublers?
Ocelot pride
ruby cradle
[[ocel pr]] is this the end step one
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ruby cradle
damn this is acc close as shit
opaque path
It’s an aura ?
reading the card explains the card, exept when it does not
but in this case it does
surreal needle
reading the card explains the card, exept when it does not
Ok buddy
opaque path
damn this chat is rather barren now
barely any messeges
*new messeges
bumbleflower chat is still going trong
surreal needle
damn this chat is rather barren now
The deck is solved until the next set
opaque path
bumbleflower keeps bumbling though
gleaming summit
https://scryfall.com/card/c16/121/breath-of-fury
Breath of the fury is really only good in decks like winota. Where you can continously improve your board state and win on the spot. Alot of strong elementals are legendary, and thus not being able to pass around breath. But if your able to continously make tokens and sacrifice them to it. Non legendary. Then yes, imo would be an easy win con for the deck.
zinc cliff
Should I add [[survival of the fittest]] to my deck?
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Enchantment
, Discard a creature card: Search your library for a creature card, reveal that card, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
zinc cliff
Found a spare
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Enchantment
, Sacrifice a creature: Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card. Put that card into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
The essence of nature is change.
zinc cliff
I already have leap
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zinc cliff
It's in the mail
olive fox
Nice
zinc cliff
Sadly I can't play it tonight
zinc cliff
I replaced it with [[sneak attack]]
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Enchantment
: You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield. That creature gains haste. Sacrifice the creature at the beginning of the next end step.
"Nothin' beat surprise—'cept rock."
zinc cliff
[[quicksilver amulet]]
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Artifact
, : You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Those who examine the amulet too closely have been known to become part of its ornate carvings.
zinc cliff
Could be good too
olive fox
Quicksilver is okay.
But you’re not saccing your elementals with it
zinc cliff
Yeah
olive fox
So spending that 4 to evoke is probably better
zinc cliff
But your probably not using those
If ashling is alive
Unless you have phyrexian altar on board
Then sneak attack becomes silly
ruby cradle
Im retouching my list rn
Cards I kinda wanna play:
-
Generic goodstuff
Offer, MBT, Boseiju, Flare of Duplication -
Elementals 🔥
Sunderflock, Shinestriker, Grave Sifter (maybe), Subterfuge (didn't love it the first time I tried, but maybe worth revisiting), Risen Reef, Brighthearth Banneret -
Synergy pieces 🙏
Temur Battlecrier, Earthcraft (ive gone on and off it)
sleek hedge
I´m late to the party but BEHOLD https://moxfield.com/decks/ZQ5JGcfcSUaecutNVNIkqg
An untested mess
gusty charm
just saw a t1 win with ashling o.o
command tower, chrome mox, assassin's trophy, heartless summoning, dark ritual, greenwarden of murasa
olive fox
what did they assassins trophy?
gusty charm
they pitched it to chrome mox
olive fox
oh I see lol