#Syr Konrad, any cards im missing?
crude lava
crude lava
@ebon lodge
ebon lodge
Also, think about what you like about the card and the deck.
What about Syr Konrad is enticing?
crude lava
Also, think about what you like about the card and the deck.
i just like konrad because when hes in the field, theres so many ways to trigger his ability without me doing actions
opponent sacs a creature for value, ping everyone
self mill? ping
loot? ping
ebon lodge
So as a controlly engine. Sounds like you might want to just passively amp up the control? What's your budget?
crude lava
im fine with up to 100
ebon lodge
Okay, so no Chains of Mephistopheles
crude lava
the deck is around 60 rn
ebon lodge
im fine with up to 100
Oh, you meant total, ya?
crude lava
i mean i own a lot of the cards already, but id have to check which ones id need to buy
crude lava
Oh, you meant total, ya?
yea
budget version of him
like idc if im not running crypt ghast
like i want more mana rocks that have utility attached to them, rather than just double my mana or playing a ton of rituals
ebon lodge
Yeah, it sounds like making it a bit more group hate and/or staxy might be the way to go.
And then a lot of utility control/accel.
crude lava
yea i prefer my decks to be more interactive rather than just try to force a win
crude lava
Yeah, it sounds like making it a bit more group hate and/or staxy might be the w...
yea gonna have to be more creative
ebon lodge
The one thing I'd worry about is finding a balance between passive and active.
crude lava
yea i just think konrad gets me passive damage while i focus on protection, removal, and stax ig
like im not trying to win turn 5
but i want to outlast the pod and have enough answers
tho idk if mono black budget is gonna be the type to do that
i dont love budget black draw
you know i never played around with henzie and he seems like a good commander to have konrad in
naive comet
What sort of wincon do you think you want with Konrad?
crude lava
What sort of wincon do you think you want with Konrad?
im still pondering that question myself
like i think the mass removal and keeping him alive is good enough for the pods i play in
but its not a finisher
naive comet
One card I could maybe call missing is [[tortured existence]]
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Enchantment
, Discard a creature card: Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
"There are terrors lurking in the unseen corners of us all." —Crovax
crude lava
sure exsang is one, but i dont want to just do torment of hailfire again
crude lava
One card I could maybe call missing is [[tortured existence]]
its a good card
[[$tortured existence]]
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ebon lodge
So the most obvious passive card is [[Grave Pact]] [[$Grave Pact]]
crude lava
true
naive comet
[[grave purge]] [[thrilling encore]] [[footbottom feast]]
naive comet
[[bitter triumph]]
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crude lava
didnt think about that one
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ebon lodge
You can Scryfall for o:whenever o:creature o:sacrifices
naive comet
[[$stinkweed imp]]
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crude lava
You can Scryfall for ``o:whenever o:creature o:sacrifices``
ty
yea i was considering putting in the imp
ebon lodge
I think Dredge sorta fall under the quickly-boring category but it is also quite effective.
crude lava
yea im just trying to think if i even really want to build around this commander still
like the card itself is good
naive comet
So, for reference, this is my Syr Konrad but it's one I've had since Eldraine released https://moxfield.com/decks/EIZRWg0OoE6i7wdjEXnGWQ
crude lava
but idk
ebon lodge
[[!Tainted Aether]] [[$Tainted Aether]]
crude lava
lol
naive comet
I went with [[the sibsig ceremony]]
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Legendary Enchantment
Creature spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
Whenever a creature you control enters, if you cast it, destroy that creature, then create a 2/2 black Zombie Druid creature token.
"Once flesh, now gold and jade. Once dead, now alive again. Once respected, now honored beyond imagination."
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[[!Witch King of Angmar]] [[$Witch King of Angmar]]
naive comet
[[$the sibsig ceremony]]
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naive comet
The [[bringer of the last gift]] dies to the sibsig trigger and gets brought back by it's own trigger
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crude lava
lol
ebon lodge
[[!Pox]][[$Pox]]
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[[!Funeral March]][[$Funeral March]]
naive comet
You want over 30 creatures in a syr konrad deck
crude lava
dunno if im gonna be playing land destruction
crude lava
You want over 30 creatures in a syr konrad deck
for sure
ebon lodge
[[!Urborg Justice]][[$Urborg Justice]]
crude lava
i like that
ebon lodge
[[!Braids, Cabal Minion]][[$Braids, Cabal Minion]]
naive comet
[[mimic vat]] is gross with syr konrad
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Imprint — Whenever a nontoken creature dies, you may exile that card. If you do, return each other card exiled with this artifact to its owner's graveyard.
, 
: Create a token that's a copy of a card exiled with this artifact. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.
crude lava
ye
ebon lodge
[[!Call to the Grave]][[$Call to the Grave]]
ebon lodge
[[!Death Cloud]][[$Death Cloud]]
naive comet
You're (Osie) going heavy on hand attack here
ebon lodge
dunno if im gonna be playing land destruction
If you animate them first and then make sure you only hit 3 per opponent per card cast...
[[!Kuon, Ogre Ascendant]][[$Kuon, Ogre Ascendant]]
ebon lodge
You're (Osie) going heavy on hand attack here
Mostly coincidentally
[[Anowon, the Ruin Sage]]
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ebon lodge
[[$Anowon, the Ruin Sage]]
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naive comet
it's not a vampire deck
ebon lodge
Obviously Sheoldred
ebon lodge
it's not a vampire deck
Yeah but it's a recurring sac effect
naive comet
If you want to go the full grave pact route I guess
ebon lodge
[[!Killing Wave]][[$Killing Wave]]
ebon lodge
[[!Indulgent Tormentor]][[$Indulgent Tormentor]]
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crude lava
yea i think im gonna change the commander
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crude lava
[[!Indulgent Tormentor]][[$Indulgent Tormentor]]
never had this card do anything tbh
naive comet
Same
ebon lodge
never had this card do anything tbh
Fair
ebon lodge
I tend to play it very aggressively
naive comet
[[smothering abomination]] is just better
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crude lava
if it was discard or sac instead of 3 life, then ok maybe
ebon lodge
5 mana, wait a turn, 1 person takes 3, eats removal at some point
Eats removal is not "does nothing" tbf
crude lava
Eats removal is not "does nothing" tbf
talking about the value it gets from its ability
if you only get one trigger, its the same as a lightning bolt
ebon lodge
if you only get one trigger, its the same as a lightning bolt
I see it as "I got rid of an opponent's removal card, I dealt someone at least 3 (or each opponent some amount), probably did another 1 to each on its death, and might have gotten to swing in for 5 a few times, at which point
crude lava
I see it as "I got rid of an opponent's removal card, I dealt someone at least 3...
for the mid game where people are looking to wipe or get rid of threats, he just kinda bites it
ive never had it even deal combat damage to someone
typically he just gets blown up if the board is empty or the board is full and you know the rest
ebon lodge
Yeah, it just depends on the game plan. I think nowadays people will tend to remove it, but I don't see that as a bad thing.
crude lava
i mean its fine, most things can and will get removed
ebon lodge
But yeah, if Konrad is feeling meh overall, it might make more sense to shift.
crude lava
its just even if he is left alone, its passable, but not nearly amazing of an effect for a 5cmc dude
crude lava
But yeah, if Konrad is feeling meh overall, it might make more sense to shift.
yea i think im just a little tired of making mono black decks
like i play haunt of hightower, krrik, konrad
ebon lodge
yea i think im just a little tired of making mono black decks
It's harder to not fall into deckbuilding traps with mono-black.
crude lava
ive been on hiatus since new ixalan set so i definitely dont feel like my deck building intuition is the same anymore
ebon lodge
I've been building on a budget then going into ostensibly B2 games and seeing people easily remove players from the game on turn 3/4. The format culture nowadays is somewhat dispiriting — too many people pulled down into the abyss of optimization and homogeneity. The overwhelming majority of Commander decks I see feel lame and unimaginative and it's hard to keep that from reflecting badly on the deckbuilders rather than on WotC and the various other promoters of optimization as "better".
crude lava
I've been building on a budget then going into ostensibly B2 games and seeing pe...
well for years im pretty sure people just use edhrec to build their decks so its all just generic value and finishers
makes every deck look and feel the same
but yea if B2 is supposed to be roughly mid power and people are dying turn 3-4, someone is trolling
like if i make a deck with the intention of playing in mid power tables, i dont make it so i can just destroy someone quickly and then get blasted by the other 2
ebon lodge
but yea if B2 is supposed to be roughly mid power and people are dying turn 3-4,...
The problem is that the bracket system got destroyed by WotC — it wasn't ever intended to be a power scale but WotC and the CFP didn't understand the format.
(or didn't care)
crude lava
you want to kill everyone somewhat evenly so you arent archenemied
crude lava
The problem is that the bracket system got destroyed by WotC — it wasn't ever in...
yea idk
when i used to be a mod in a edh server years ago, we enforced our own power rules
but ofc that didnt stop really anyone from ruining pods
because power is ofc subjective and how it runs irrespective of its power matters as well
the culture is more important than any system or definition
ebon lodge
The most reliable is to make leagues with very strict price and construction rules, then enforce being good to each other.
crude lava
if we could shun out the people ruining pods like Mass Land Destruction players, then things would be a lot better
but people tolerate mismatching powers because they give people the benefit of the doubt when they shouldnt
ebon lodge
MLD is fine IMO if people consent to it. It's not really the boogeyman people make it out to be and a lot of the attitude against it is what gets the social-casual players into the worse cultures of optimization to begin with. "Slower is bad so optimize to make it fast"
crude lava
MLD is fine IMO if people consent to it. It's not really the boogeyman people ma...
i would be fine with MLD if it was more widely accepted so decks would reflect that an armageddon is even a possibility in a game
but most people dont want to deal with it
because their decks are stupid simic value decks that durdle for 53 years
people prefer their decks fast and powerful rather than resilient
some decks can withstand 5 boardwipes, some decks dont recover ever past turn 5-7
ebon lodge
because their decks are stupid simic value decks that durdle for 53 years
The thing is those decks do better against MLD. The people who don't like it usually fall into two camps:
- Sheep — "I don't like it because it's popular not to like it."
- Agency, especially against toxic play — "I don't like it because people play it badly and it removes my agency."
crude lava
ive tried playing MLD before and i could never get it past rule zero
ebon lodge
Yeah because most people are sheep.
crude lava
Yeah because most people are sheep.
i wasnt even asking for armageddon, it was fall of the thran
maybe one day, lands will stop being so sacred and decks will just be built to recover from land removal
like even restore balance, people dont want to play against it
ebon lodge
i wasnt even asking for armageddon, it was fall of the thran
Used to be that people just asked that if someone was going to shut down lands, they win quickly. But the attitude shifted.
The custard is gone from most people's games and it's just sharks in murky high fructose corn syrup.
I had to remind people the other day that a B2 game was social-casual and expecting someone to have responded in a half second to a trigger before that trigger cast cards...