#Akroma, Vision of Ixidor/Sakashima of a Thousand Faces

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undone wharf
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@solar trout Would like some creature suggestions for this deck, especially blue creatures

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Don't need any cut suggestions yet- I know there's some terrible cards in here, I just basically got to a hundred cards and thought it might help to ask for suggestions. I like to just throw in everything that might be useful at first

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also I'm not really taking advantage of Sakashima at the moment, so if you have cards that would help with that, it would be appreciated

solar trout
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I'll look soon

solar trout
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What kind of deck do you want this to be? That will inform what kind of creatures to include

undone wharf
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what are my options here

solar trout
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I think these commanders could lend themselves well to a lot of plans. A bunch of flying beaters backed up by interaction is a solid gameplan. You can include combos like [[felidar sovereign]] + an ETB synergy as a combo plan. This could also lend itself to hatebears like [[linvala, keeper of silence]].

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solar trout
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not felidar sovereign, [[felidar guardian]]

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undone wharf
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aside from the obvious synergies

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hatebears could be interesting

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and yeah I kind of was planning for this to be creatures + interaction

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commander is kind of expensive is the issue so I was trying to include some ramp (I'll be curating that list later)

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I'd like some good sakashima targets, I think

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if they fit into the rest of the plan

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the dream is sakashima as akroma obviously

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but I need something for sakashima to copy before that

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undone wharf
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let me know how it goes

undone wharf
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@solar trout I've reworked the deck to be (in my opinion) a bit better than it was earlier

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do you want to take a look?

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I feel like I may be a bit low on interaction but I'm not sure how much of an issue that is

undone wharf
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I built with the idea in mind that my path to winning the game is getting Akroma out (and keeping her), so I wanted creatures that could stall for me

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while simultaneously being good while Akroma is out, because I can't just rely on Sakashima I think

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I'm not sure Sakashima has the best targets in this deck, but we'll see what it's like in practice

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I am also low on draw but I think that is probably fine given that I have a win condition in the command zone

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that's also why I have the high land count, because I don't think being mana flooded will be too much of an issue

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I took out the "greediest" cards (some of the clone effects, Blade of Selves, etc) but will add them back in if I struggle to close out the game

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if ramp in Azorius was better, I'd be running more, but let me know if I've missed something obvious

gentle light
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how about [[mocking bird]] as a clone]] ? I see you running a few plus you also focus on having creatures with mutliple keywords, this clone can be very mana efficient when cloning something small plus it has always flying.
seems like a neat include

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undone wharf
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I'll put it in for the flexibility

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undone wharf
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oh wait Thunderous Orator is actually terrible because it's an attack trigger and Akroma is a beginning of combat trigger

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will take it out

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on the other hand a 3/3 with all the keywords isn't too bad

gentle light
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it‘s very unfortunate it doesn‘t work with Akroma‘s ability

undone wharf
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@solar trout any thoughts on the current list?

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undone wharf
solar trout
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I think you're going to want more well-statted effect creatures. [[Knight of the white orchid]] for example has both a keyword and an etb

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undone wharf
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but maybe I'll put it back in

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I had it in there initially

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any other suggestions?

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you can take a look at the considering pile also- some of it is just random junk but there's a few cards that might be worth putting in

solar trout
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One must consider mother/giver of runes and skrelv

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You can always have [[loyal warhound]] instead or in addition to knight, easier mana

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solar trout
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The 5 cmc keyword soup angels seem like good fits

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[[Lyra dawnbringer]]

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undone wharf
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solar trout
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[[Gisela, the broken blade]] and her wife are choices too

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solar trout
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Gisela more so

undone wharf
solar trout
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[[Angel of invention]]

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undone wharf
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I don't think Bruna fits the deck, though

solar trout
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For the merge

undone wharf
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feel like I shouldn't run her just for the merge

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if I have 7 mana I want to be casting Akroma anyway

undone wharf
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because the other players are more likely to miss land drops

undone wharf
solar trout
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Remember you have a 75% chance of not being first, in which case the warhound is automatically online t3

undone wharf
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unless I'm planning to run multiple

solar trout
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Mother can self protect

undone wharf
solar trout
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They make combat and removal such a nightmare

undone wharf
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skrelv not giving full protection means that I don't think it's worthwhile here

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since mother/giver can also help with blocks

solar trout
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That's the usual hierarchy of inclusion

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Giver has 1/2 Statline and colorless protection, which is great too

undone wharf
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unrelated but I keep trying to counter artifacts with swan song

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and it's embarrassing

solar trout
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Lmao

undone wharf
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since I have it in all of the decks it happens a lot

solar trout
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Classic

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I cut swan song before an offer for this reason

undone wharf
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@solar trout what are your thoughts on the power level of this deck, by the way?

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I've been playing it today and it lost a few games but steamrolled over what I think were bracket 2 decks

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so maybe low bracket 3? (technically bracket 2 but obviously that's not the important thing here)

solar trout
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If you're someone who's into deckbuilding, and you didn't purpose-build your deck for B2, it almost certainly isn't B2 in my opinion. I think your deck is that b2-3 range, the strongest precons could tangle with it, but its gonna have a hard time vs more well-tuned B3 decks.

undone wharf
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it was like [[beastmaster ascension]] plus some other stuff- tokens and anthems, basically

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undone wharf
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and the token army just trampled over me

undone wharf
solar trout
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Building decks

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A lot of people don't build decks

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And when they "improve" their precons, its often a downgrade

undone wharf
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but I am putting in the effort to construct decks mostly from scratch

solar trout
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its not a very high bar

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But just generally B2 is the average precon, or a precon that has been made to be worse than it came in my experience.

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low B3 are the really strong precons, or the archetypes that are kind of hard to mess up

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Like dinosaurs are pretty hard to mess up

undone wharf
solar trout
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No

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Not in my opinion

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Hard to mess up is when every card printed for your strategy is made for commander and super pushed

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Or something like elves where as long as all your cards are synergistic, and you're not using draft quality cards, you can probably pop off

undone wharf
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slivers?

undone wharf
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I was under the impression that casual decks people build themselves might fall into bracket 2

solar trout
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I think it really depends on what archetype you're drawn to

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Most people's early brews will be B1/2 sure, but if you're someone who gravitates towards slivers (and you have the means), it wont take long before your deck is way too much for your B2 friends

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Its why certain strategies get a really bad rap in B2

undone wharf
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that makes sense- is it true that people run less interaction in B2 than B3, generally?

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I feel like that might also contribute if you're running some sort of greed pile that folds to interaction

solar trout
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Yeah..

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Its true

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Precons run more interaction than the usual custom-built B2 deck in my experience

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People get precons and replace good interaction with sick mythics all the time too

undone wharf
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also, somewhat related- I feel like a lot of the time I've been going through this gameplay pattern of bring deck to table -> win game -> realize that the deck was probably too strong for the table

solar trout
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yeah

undone wharf
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I think maybe I just have a skewed perception of what's "low power" and "high power"?

solar trout
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Its almost a synonym with efficient in my opinion

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high power, that is

undone wharf
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I do try to build for efficiency- not to the extent you do, I think, but as someone who primarily plays 60-card, it's somewhat natural

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I've heard that a lot of people just start with Commander?

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solar trout
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undone wharf
solar trout
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It seems like it to me

undone wharf
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after this I'll probably try and make an actual mid-Bracket 3 deck because I think Queza is not it

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even the nicer version of the deck, unless I deliberately made suboptimal choices, which I did do to some extent, but I'd rather not do more of

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do you have any suggestions? not commanders necessarily, just a deck shape that might fit into mid-Bracket 3

solar trout
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Fair mardu is one of my favorite B3 things to do

undone wharf
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