Trying to make an Abdel deck to have to play when I am not in the mood for the liliana mono black one
#Abdel the chef in "Blink and you'll miss it"
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So one card I was running that has up and downside is [[armorcraft judge]]
The downside is this effect is mandatory
Is [[knight errand of eos]] card draw here?
So the potential exists to just deck yourself if you don't pay attention
Creature — Human Knight
Convoke
When this creature enters, look at the top six cards of your library. You may reveal up to two creature cards with mana value X or less from among them, where X is the number of creatures that convoked this creature. Put the revealed cards into your hand, then shuffle.
4/4
Hm, not really
One off right?
Convoke is a nice way to use tokens, but we want creatures that have reusable etbs
Fair
Judge is arguably one of the best draw spells this deck can play, it just has to be flickered responsibly
Well, you can just not blink him
Or play him if you have 40+ tokens
Yeah of course, that's why I said "if you don't pay attention"
It's easy to get caught up with triggers in a deck like this
Every single flicker spell is often like 4-6 effects with new info
[[Metastatic Evangel]] what about this dude?
If you want to win via combat it's very scary
It is probably worth playing [[inspiring call]]
Not sure if selesnya can win by any other means
Your current deck has an infinite
You can cast every spell in the deck infinite times
Huh
Abdel goes infinite with eternal witness, a blink spell, and mana rocks that can pay for that blink spell
Ohhhhhh
So if you want to run 0 combos you need to run 0 mana rocks
Otherwise it will just happen sometimes
Honestly I think the ramp auras are better here
The dorks die to all sorts and you lose their mana if you Flicker them
The auras you can take off tapped lands and put them onto untapped lands with each flicker
Like the battle already in the deck?
Not infinite, but does increase your mana a ton
Ohhhh I see what you mean now
That one is good and should stay
But yeah like, [[abundant growth]] etc
Abundant growth is more fixing and draw than ramping
Abundant is still good for sure
[[overgrowth]]
This things?
Yeah yeah
[[weirding woods]]
You play them, tap the land for mana to blink abdel, then the aura can re-enter attached to a new land for more mana
[[wild growth]]
It's such a cute lil trick honestly
All of them on one land and repeat
Truth nukey
If I do this I would run out of blinks fast, right?
Well I can combo if I get one of the 3 creature blinkers
You'd think, but you should absolutely play eternal and timeless witness in this deck
They're just too good to pass up
Even if you aren't comboing they give you effectively infinite grind game
Also true
[[wolfwillow haven]]
Just needs you to have literally any outlet that actually wins from being flickered (or you can make a million tokens and give everybody a turn to act before you turn em sideways)
I was using [[heirophants chalice]] in mine
[[zendikar avenger]]
I was thinking about using him or Abdel army
Oh also I'd cut selvala, we don't care for giving our opponents cards on a slow dork when we can go crazy on our own
The dude does leave behind tokens each time
Oh for sure, you can just smash face pretty effectively
I think [[$beastmaster ascension]] is fairly cheap these days too?
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Fair enough. A fair bit of the deck is just stuff I have laying around
For sure, abdel benefits a ton from just being able to be put together on a very small collection/budget
He was, and maybe still is, literally the best deck in pauper edh
I just gotta get some key cards. Like the blinks, withnesses and some blink payoffs
Pretty much
I gotta sleep now anyway, but good talk. Might pop in tomorrow if I rebuild mine 👀
Thanks
Tomorrow I go to my LGS so I might be able to get some of the pieces without having to buy them online
Oh, as a side note, abdel sharing 0 creature types with the tokens is so annoying because [[Haunted one]] abdel where you death-blink him with the undying trigger and buff the tokens (and shenanigans to remove the counters after) is so cool
Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever this creature becomes tapped, it and other creatures you control that share a creature type with it each get +2/+0 and gain undying until end of turn." (When a creature with undying dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.)
But instead it just doesn't do anything lol
I discovered [[evolution witness]]
Creature — Elf Shaman Mutant

: Adapt 2. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put two +1/+1 counters on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.
She remembers every breakthrough, from the gene's mutation to the new life's propagation.
2/1
Way worse than the other two but will do its job with master chef
Well, rebuilt mine 😅
@naive silo care to share the list?
I'll have to put it online first but it's fairly similar. Lacks some of the best inclusions I could make like [[druid of purification]] because it's all from collection
Running about 13 draw-etb things in a mix of creatures and eggs, including the ixalan cradle enchantment, about 15 Flicker spells with a focus on permanents or ones that return immediately, timeless and eternal, 8 or so mana rocks for combo potential and speeding up abdel coming down, and wincons like beastmaster ascension, acidic slime, valor in akros and [[court street denizen]]
Worth noting once the mana loop is online you can draw through until you hit both timeless and eternal and then bring back the Flicker spell and a beast within/stroke of midnight, meaning you can destroy all nonlands or all permanents and then keep people under that thumb for a turn cycle until you swing out with uber-lethal
It's not ideal, but it doesn't need very much to be at a point I'd consider finished. Just some mild side grades or upgrades to the various cheap etb/interaction pieces
Not looking at list till i get home but re the question in general, green has a lot of access to powerrful manifest cards
I think theres some 3 drop overstatted ans also wildwood elemental or something
I would not run a card that manifests a single target in the hope its something big u can blink
Your ramp seems a bit low for your higher cost cards? Might make sense to shift away from some of them.
as in drop higher cost cards for more ramp?
there are only really 4 heavy cost cards (i would not count the wurm due to convoke)
total 9 cards that cost 5 or more
i could include more ramp to be fair
but i would like to avoid mana rocks or mana dorks
[[mycosynth wellspring]]
[[pilgrim eye]]
[[Sutina, Speaker of the Tajuru]]
[[sakura tribe elder]]
Creature — Snake Shaman
Sacrifice this creature: Search your library for a basic land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
There were no tombstones in orochi territory. Slain warriors were buried with a tree sapling, so they would become a part of the forest after death.
1/1
these are ones that come off at the top of my head
This seems like a reasonable move. I think Eldrazi Displacer is not super effective right now, as well as Ancient Adamantoise and Planar Cleansing.
Sutina is even cooler than Wellspring — hadn't gotten there.
The displacer and the unicorn are not too bad
Reusable blink seems neat
Or you mean for the colorless requirement?
Yeah the colourless requirement seems like it's rarely going to be satisfied.
Adamantoise is at least nifty, I just worry about you getting there.
I do not worry too much
Most of the ramp in the deck are permanents that fetch lands
So if abdel hits the field once I get to do it again
In terms of displacer, unless I missed a creature, you have two colourless sources both of which you want to sacrifice.
Karmic Guide could be a good call
Greatwurm is kinda just a beefy dude so it could still be cut (and it's less impressive than Adamantoise)
You might be able to go down a land and cut 1-2 maindeck flicker effect since you have quite a bit. Felidar Guardian is the first one that comes to mind.
ye the turtle is nice
so in short:
-1 eldrazi displace
-1 greatwurm
-1 felidar guardian
still need 2 more cuts
or more if I want to include Sutina
or [[clifftop lookout]]
or [[sylvan ranger]]
or the guide
Maybe a land
34vlands sounds low tho
Oh I had remembered you as having 36
Oh sorry, didn't realise
[[Hour of Revelation]] is better than Planar Cleansing in terms of hard resets.
Protean Hulk is mostly a combo card and seems a bit weird in your deck.
[[Hallowed Moonlight]] is good hate but is kinda weird for you to run since it mostly hates on what your deck is doing.
Glorious Protector requires an additional effect to work so maybe that could make sense for a cut
Also to remember is that there's a new Terramorphic Expanse in the form of [[Escape Tunnel]]
I get 3 tutors. Cord of calling and the elf are meant to fish out the hulk. And the hulk is meant to fish out basically everything else good in the deck
Withnesses, draw, sun titan, break enchant/artifact, one of the anthem guys
If it hits the board I get to close the game basically
I did not know this existed
Fair. If I use it against my opponent wombo combo and someone else tries to kill Abdel I cannot do much to defend him
Gotta be honest I included it only cause I do not have any other better wrath
That is a good upgrade, thanks
How is it dying? Hulk is a death trigger
[insert TCC meme here]
[[Altar of Bone]]
[[Fauna Shaman]]
[[Nature's Rhythm]]
[[Yisan, the Wandering Bard]]
[[Birthing Pod]]
[[Congregation at Dawn]]
[[Ecological Appreciation]]
[[Threats Undetected]]
Sorcery
Search your library for a creature card with mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
Harmonize 



(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its harmonize cost. You may tap a creature you control to reduce that cost by an amount of generic mana equal to its power. Then exile this spell.)
Wonderful. Of these the birthing pod and altar of bone seem the better fit
Careful with Pod to not make your deck all about it
He is perfect
You can sac a token
Well not perfect but hits most of the good stuff I want
Yes, you just only have one target to get
This comes back to my "Try not to build your deck around it."
I think the bellower at least can hit a couple of things. He will do
Is the bellower a "build your deck around it?"
What’s the deal with [[fierce empath]]? It looks like it only has three (3) valid targets in the whole deck
Embath gets bellower, bellower then gets a lot of useful stuff
Wait no there are 4 targets:
Adamantoise
Sun titan
Woodland bellower
Avenger of zendikar
is this budget?
acidic slime is generally an out of date card (it was good around 2015 but has been powercrept out of the format for the most part. loran of the third path is basically just better in your colours)
weirding wood is a below power ramp spell, there are better options for creatures/permanents that ramp on etb
would much rather run [[wood elves]] than sylvan ranger
[[hauntlands shrieker]] is the card i told u about a week ago instead of your singular manifest dread thing you wanted
also [[whisperwood elemental]]
[[angel of glorys rise]] also functions as another karmic guide with your commander, albiet a little more mana costly
for other cuts, i think wrath of god is less good because you arent running cards like selfless spirit and are a creature deck
for a deck with not a lot of ramp, ancient adamantortiose is VERY hopeful
overall i think this deck wants more proactive creatures that it can feel fine blinking, like loyal warhound
Creature — Beast Mutant
Whenever this creature attacks, manifest dread. (Look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)

: Reveal target face-down permanent. If it's a creature card, you may turn it face up.
3/3
Creature — Elemental
At the beginning of your end step, manifest the top card of your library. (Put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
Sacrifice this creature: Until end of turn, face-up nontoken creatures you control gain "When this creature dies, manifest the top card of your library."
4/4
Not particularly budget why?
Angel of glory's rise looks terrible here. It only resurrects the commander almost
I did cut the manifest card, I was being silly at the beginning
Wait is that [[knight of the white orchid]]?
Close enough
if your commander dies, you put it in graveyard
then you cast angel of glorys rise, which resurrects it, and the commander exiles the angel
now whenever your commander dies, it will summon the angel which will immediently resurrect it (and any other humans), which will remove the angel again
so if you have karmic guide or angel of glorys rise in your yard, your commander is immortal. (you can use a sac engine for infinite here but thats not what the deck is trying to do) You can totally up the human count to support it more with cards like thalia, loran of the third path, thalias lancers etc, but im not sure what the deck is particularly trying to do
you have a blink theme obviously but then you also have a bunch of +1/+1 counter payoff cards and theres actually not that many ways to get +1 counters that im seeing here
sure some cards give loads but theyre few and far between, i think this deck would benefit more by dropping a bunch of the +1 reliant payoffs like armourcraft judge and inspiring call (as these cards dont do anything unless you already have a lot of creatures who also have counters on them) and putting in other support for the blink mechanic, such as creatures you want to blink
Without wrath of god I would be at 2 cuts to have the deck playable
The commander gives +1/+1 counters
I thought that was enough to make use of the payoffs
[[master chef]]
Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "This creature enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it" and "Other creatures you control enter with an additional +1/+1 counter on them."
You never thought "rations" was an appropriate term for the feasts you prepare for your party.
if you play your 3 drop enchantment and 5 drop commander then your cards might finally be enabled
the problem is that its turn 6 before all the +1 reliant cards do anything
if you go into the human direction, you can run cards like [[thalia's lieutenant]] or champion of the parish which automatically have built in synergy for both blink and +1
These are interesting true
But that will be a choice for another day
Tomorrow I go to play and I do not have time to get any new cards I am afraid
fair enough
if ur just looking for immediate removals, i would say inspiring call, ancient admant tortoise, and weirding wood would be my top 3
@wary forum thinking of grabbing either [[preston vanisher]] or [[elsh nor mother of machines]] for my blink deck. which do you think works better?
Both are great for this deck, pick whichever you like, i would run both
If u can only run 1, elesh is stronger standalone and also disrupts opponents
While preston is good but more reliant on the deck
I am trying not to get over a certain monthly budget for cards
Both would put me over it
Looking at current deck i think preston is ""winmore more"
Elesh seems both winmore but can help from behind too
Elesh is the stronger cards and is usuable in more different decks later on if ur buying the physical card
Oh cool there is one
For ease of access
[[Angel of Serenity]], [[Fiend Hunter]], and [[Vault 13: Dweller's Journey]] too
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — For each player, exile up to one other target enchantment or creature that player controls until this Saga leaves the battlefield.
II — You gain 2 life and scry 2.
III — Return two cards exiled with this Saga to the battlefield under their owners' control and put the rest on the bottom of their owners' libraries.
The what
+1 p/t
Still don't understand
[[Goldknight commander]]
I was thinking trying to amass more tokens would be better than trying to buff them
That’s the logic at least
Ammassing 2/2 without haste does not seem ideal. I should cut summon bahamut or meteor golem at that point
It’s the closest I’ve made to a blink deck
@unreal root
Ah
Will give it a look
What?
I remember talking about this deck before with you.
So there's a struggle in terms of identity when building GW blink decks. Not that it's a bad concept, but it can lend itself to some deckbuilding traps.
There's a question of what sort of position you want in the game.
You could be the go-wide army deck. You could be the durdly midrange deck. You could be the big finisher deck. Similarly, you could be aggro, control, combo, or somewhere in-between.
Generally the difficulty is in picking one as your primary strategy. It's easy for the deck to feel like it's not doing enough if it's inadvertently split between multiple concepts.
These traps are sorta what I was poking at with the "try to avoid having a single card become the deck's identity"
Since the same sorta thing tends to happen in that direction.
Even if that card is the commander?
Generally the commander is the deck’s identity, but there’s commanders that lend themselves to multiple different strategies
But you don’t want a deck to go “if this card hits my GY I’m ded”
The commander can be a build-around but it's risky for this kind of deck to dedicate too much to it as an engine. As a finisher, as a piece in the puzzle, it can work a lot better.
This deck uses it as a part of a loop to get the commander’s card draw going
I ran [[Hazezon Tamar]] shenanigans for some time which was a somewhat durdly midrange strategy with a lot of blinks. As long as it straddled the line well avoiding single-focus or diluted focus, it was fun and worked well. As soon as it stepped off the tightrope one way or the other, it got dull fast.
Maybe i need more card draw?
I am fine with risk
Yeah, it's a matter of what you're risking.
If you're risking sitting there feeling like you're doing nothing for a while, that's rough. If you're just risking being behind the beat a bit for a turn or so, that's less bad.
Shit out tokens win with them
The 1/1s
No craterhoof, not yet at least. Could look into getting one
[[the ozolith]]
Legendary Artifact
Whenever a creature you control leaves the battlefield, if it had counters on it, put those counters on The Ozolith.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if The Ozolith has counters on it, you may move all counters from The Ozolith onto target creature.
As it twists, so does all life around it.
Got none of those 3
It does have a handful of """finishers"""
@worn granite deck list btw
Considering running like
Welcoming vampire
Enduring innocence
For cards
Or caretaker talent
Also witch enchanter is great in yhis deck
[[welcoming vampire]]
[[enduring innocence]]
Enchantment Creature — Sheep Glimmer
Lifelink
Whenever one or more other creatures you control with power 2 or less enter, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
When Enduring Innocence dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. It's an enchantment. (It's not a creature.)
2/1
[[caretaker talent]]
Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more tokens you control enter, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, create a token that's a copy of target token you control.

: Level 3
Creature tokens you control get +2/+2.
[[witch enchanter]]
Creature — Human Warlock
When this creature enters, destroy target artifact or enchantment an opponent controls.
Shilgengar's famine once starved Stensia into embracing vampirism. The Dawnhart Coven would not let the same happen to Kessig.
2/2
Witch-Blessed Meadow
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add
.
"Ghrin-Danu will not let her people go hungry." —Katilda, Dawnhart Prime
@worn granite and what can I cut for the card draw?
There is also like [[rite of harmony]]
Probably just the bad counter adders
I do not think I really have any of those
Which ones?
Valor and gold night
Those are how I close games tho
Without those the soldiers stay way too small to get the win
I could swap one for the craterhoof
Try more things for like
Permanent pump
Instead of end of turn
This is a good way to draw cards too
@hoary hull here we go
I was about to say angel of glory’s rise but that’s actually really solid for the deck
Maybe the stax monkey cause Aura shards will take care of the problem
No card found for “Kubo”
…welp
[[kubo prince]]
No card found for “kubo prince”
[[kibo prince]]
Legendary Creature — Monkey Noble
: Each player creates a colorless artifact token named Banana with "
, Sacrifice this token: Add
or
. You gain 2 life."
Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control that's an Ape or a Monkey.
Whenever Kibo attacks, defending player sacrifices an artifact of their choice.
2/2
There he is
Yeah them
Ye that works
Was thinking about the druid of purification too
Mainly cause he is too fat to be under [[woodland bellower]]
He and karmic guide do the funny thing with abdel
Which is why I didn’t want to recommend cutting it
Ye the druid gets the bucket
Oh what about [[appa guardian]] and [[air ascension]]
Legendary Creature — Bison Ally
Flash
Flying
When Appa enters, airbend any number of other target nonland permanents you control. (Exile them. While each one is exiled, its owner may cast it for
rather than its mana cost.)
Whenever you cast a spell from exile, create a 1/1 white Ally creature token.
3/4
Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, airbend up to one target creature.
Whenever a creature you control enters, put a quest counter on this enchantment.
At the beginning of your end step, if this enchantment has four or more quest counters on it, exile up to one target creature you control, then return it to the battlefield under its owner's control.
I do not usually brew with upcoming releases but these look juicy
Go grab [[pearl medallion]] and [[helm of awakening]]
Airbend stuff-> cast for free->flicker Appa…
Just thought I’d put the option out there
Fair
You could also run [[sculpting steel]]
I am really tempted to convert an golgari eldrazi deck into abzan for airbend
Huh. I am not sure I follow
I do not have enough artifacts for this surely
Updated the list
The issue now I think are the lands. Too few of em
Legendary Creature — Human Noble Ally
When The Earth King enters, create a 4/4 green Bear creature token.
Whenever one or more creatures you control with power 4 or greater attack, search your library for up to that many basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"Bosco seems to like him."
2/2
Also add phelia
I would need first to get more lands in before adding even more nonlands
[[assolement]]
Whats the general game plan
I just got for cheap: [[emeria sky ruin]]
And was wondering if some land tutors would be a good investment
Lands always worth investment when they go down in price
Can run em in any deck
Yeah do it your blink might as well
I looked and only 2 good options
[[knight of the reliquary]] and [[elvish reclaimer]]
Creature — Human Knight
This creature gets +1/+1 for each land card in your graveyard.
, Sacrifice a Forest or Plains: Search your library for a land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
"Knowledge of Bant's landscape and ruins is a weapon that the invaders can't comprehend." —Elspeth Tirel
2/2
[[Farhaven elf]] [[forest elf]]
Neither can tutor out emeria
I meant nonbasic land tutor
I run a decent chunk of "etb ramp"
Green has a decent chunk of tutors for lands
Agreed would you run the opponent pick too
But none attached to cheap creature

.
can be paid with either