Nothing really we want for sacrifice synergies for lands though, considering you typically also don't run many creature sacrifice outlets.
#"World Shaper" Communal Precon Thread
tulip moon
cinder pecan
well...
tulip moon
I mean it depends on deck builder to deck builder, but in the precon I mean.
river hawk
I'm looking at it from a [[Moraug, Fury of Akoum]] standpoint.
"There won't be an additional main phase after the additional combat phase. For example, if the landfall ability resolves twice during your postcombat main phase, you'll get two consecutive additional combat phases after your main phase (untapping your creatures at the beginning of each), followed by your ending phase."
Am I wrong in thinking in X is 10, I would get 10 combat phases?
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cinder pecan
you sure would
river hawk
Not to mention landfall triggers from other permanents.
tulip moon
You gotta make sure you do it after your regular combat though.
Otherwise you'll miss your regular combat.
river hawk
"If the landfall ability resolves during your precombat main phase, the additional combat phase will happen before your regular combat phase. You'll untap creatures you control at the beginning of the additional combat but not at the beginning of your regular combat."
tulip moon
Yup. You'll get your regular combat, but your attackers will be tapped still (unless they had Vigi or whatever).
river hawk
I see what you're saying
tulip moon
It's a simple thing to remember once you know it.
river hawk
How does people feel about [[Altar of the Brood]]?
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river hawk
(When I'm at the table, I have no friends >.> )
nova ore
Its cool, but too slow, but then, I should be clear, Im not a fan of aggressive mill strategies in a format where everyone starts with 100 cards, unless you pair it with something like everytime someone mills a card they lose 1 life, or similar.
Trying to chew through 100 cards just to win on milling, too slow
other reason I dont love it, is there are a lot of graveyard shenanigans in commander, and a lot of times your accelerating those decks
tepid lintel
Yeah it seems awful
nova ore
I think the best Ive pulled off in hearthhull was like 26ish permanents in a turn, so barely a quarter of a deck
and tbh I won that turn because of the 2 damage from hearthhull anyways
river hawk
Thats fair. Maybe I won't include it.
tepid lintel
I think the only mill card that is good as a sole mill card in a deck is [[mesmeric orb]] and I wouldn't run it here probably
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nova ore
yeah, mesmeric orb is solid
but we would be likely to mill ourselves to death, since we are already burning through the deck pretty hard
tepid lintel
Yeah
river hawk
hmm.... that gives me an idea for another deck I have. Woin't discuss here, obviously. But thanks for the Orb suggestion!
tepid lintel
Ya
jade glen
Should I also
Consider golgari grave troll
Also are you guys running boardwipes or no
And which ones
cinder pecan
Consider golgari grave troll
Depends on what you want to lean into
I have life from the loam in my deck
jade glen
Depends on what you want to lean into
i have it as well
but idk if i need more dredge
liek dakmore
and troll
tepid lintel
I also don't really fill my yard
I get plenty of lands in there from the battlefield
jade glen
do i run toxic deluge or nah
i feel like
im alwasy super low life
cuz i tend to fetch alot
jade glen
Guys
Should I put etali in this deck
I’m running strans of night
And susur which means I can sac it
Probably not
Wait no it’s bad
Nvm
tepid lintel
Just play with 103 and see if anyone notices
cinder pecan
Just play with 103 and see if anyone notices
No. Bad Levi. Bad!
nova ore
https://archidekt.com/decks/14416461/world_shaper_composting_supremacy
with how many ways you have to play land and get land, Id probably cut to 40, thats what Ive been running, and Ive never struggled for land
nova ore
well, thats fair
this wont help either, but Ive started running [[hew the entwood]] to have a second version of Nahiri
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jade glen
What do I cut for [[exsanguinate]]
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jade glen
Do I drop torment?
jade glen
this wont help either, but Ive started running [[hew the entwood]] to have a sec...
I don’t like this as much since with nahiri and a crucible effect, I just draw a bunch of cards
Cuz I can just replay all my lands
nova ore
sure, but Im going for the combo kill off it, not continuing the game
jade glen
Typically I have enough fuel to end the game
nova ore
Im also running more deals damage when sac/play things then you are
like tannuk and sabotender
jade glen
I mostly just set up for my big turns a lot
nova ore
so If Im popping nahiri or hew, thats game
jade glen
And less land pings
nova ore
thats fair
jade glen
I just noticed in my pod when I play a tannuk or a sabotender people just start focusing me really hard
nova ore
tbh Ive never been a fan of torment, by the time you have the mana to really use it, its usually only effective against 1 of the players at the table, most of the rest have small hands from dumping out cards for some aggro strat
I usually drop tannuk or sabo on the turn Im comboing off, I dont put them out till then
jade glen
tbh Ive never been a fan of torment, by the time you have the mana to really use...
I use it as a alt wincon
As people remove my commander when I fully stationed him
That’s why I wanna run both
nova ore
thats fair, but I think exsanquinate works for that too, or you could run [[professor onyx]] but that does take buildup
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jade glen
What do I drop tho
nova ore
oh right, we need less cards not more
cinder pecan
How many lands are you on now?
jade glen
Maybe a crucible of world?
nova ore
42
cinder pecan
Okay
jade glen
How many lands are you on now?
42
nova ore
yeah I dont run crucible, just conduit, because you have enough play from gy effects
jade glen
I’m running both crucible and ranumap since I am on a lot more off color fetches
cinder pecan
I have a lot of the conduit of worlds effects, except for crucible because it does nothing else
nova ore
right
cinder pecan
(And its more expensive)
nova ore
yeah crucible being single effect is why it didnt make my list
jade glen
It does nothing by itself when my board gets wiped
nova ore
I am still running szarel to
jade glen
I am still running szarel to
I am not
cinder pecan
So i have 5 of them
nova ore
it looks like Flowers dropped szaerel
cinder pecan
Plus a couple splendid rec effects
nova ore
you could drop the graveyard creature recursion stuff and get your slots, cut entomb, eternal witness, strands of night and your at 100
jade glen
Maybe I do put szarel back in?
cinder pecan
Maybe
jade glen
Entomb is so good imo
jade glen
I love entomb for a life from the loam
nova ore
yes
jade glen
I do
jade glen
I also entomb for stuff to strands with
And strands helps me when I just dredge myself
Or surviel stuff to the grave
It also helps me recur lumra
jade glen
Tbf I don’t dredge outside of Loam
I only have loam from dredge but icetill also mills me
nova ore
to me, the graveyard recursion, beyond playing lands is usually win more, I dont need it to close the game
cinder pecan
I only have loam from dredge but icetill also mills me
It sure does
Have as well
nova ore
Hm, Im not sure about [[nissa, resurgent animist]]
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nova ore
I wouldnt cut scute swarm, that is an alternate win con
jade glen
https://scryfall.com/card/mat/22/nissa-resurgent-animist
She’s lotus cobra
nova ore
Ive won games on having 128 scute tokens
jade glen
No like
Nissa is insane
She stations hearthhull at worse
And at best she is lotus cobra that also gets me Titania
Or lumra
Or avenger of zendikar
nova ore
Hm, true, Im not running most of those
nova ore
but I also never feel like I need mana, most games a few turns in I have play up to 3-4 lands per turn
Id cut crucible before ramunap explorer
ramunap can station and block
nova ore
you could
jade glen
But 5 mana is alotttt
nova ore
not in this deck
jade glen
It’s like
nova ore
heck Im beginning to think my deck needs to be in b4 because it wins so fast
jade glen
Competing with things like
Korvold
Guys
I just read szarel
Why does he not put it on himself
I have no way of making this thing big
nova ore
you dont need to, think about if your saccing multiple lands your getting 2 * those lands on something
jade glen
I guess I can station more thing with him in it
I just wanna run exsanguinate cuz I just find myself losing life from peoplr throwing spells at me
It’s a way to pad my life total
Maybe I cut [[six]] ?
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jade glen
Thoughts?
nova ore
you know its funny, I added Six, but everytime I draw him, Im like ok whats this really get me right now
jade glen
That’s what I’m saying
I’m like
I have instants and sorcery in my grave
I can’t really use him past that
nova ore
yeah and most of the time I dont need to recur any of that stuff
jade glen
I guess we cut six?
@cinder pecan
What interactions should I run
I was either thinking, deadly rolick
Fell from profane
Deflecting swat
Or a beast within
nova ore
I just realized you have crucible in deck and maybeboard lol
cinder pecan
I guess we cut six?
I like six
nova ore
this is my current deck, but Im also not trying to bracket 4 like Flowers
https://archidekt.com/decks/15595782/world_shaper_upgraded
tbh most of the time I just try to stay under the radar till Im ready to combo out
jade glen
Wait how am I b4
Also my group plays a lot of creature removal so playing things like tannuk doesn’t like a lot
Like I get elesh norn mother of machines
A lot
nova ore
Wait how am I b4
synergy and card power level your running is gonna push you more towards 4, or at least high 3, but if your playgroup is playing stuff like that in 3 then it makes sense that your building this way
jade glen
synergy and card power level your running is gonna push you more towards 4, or a...
My group tends to make stronger decks
We fall into strong b3 for most games
Not super optimized but higher power
nova ore
nice
I have the final fantasy azusa, but if I didnt Id have ordered that one
[[princess serah]]
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nova ore
jade glen
Guys
So I push my hearthhull deck to be
B4
Nahhh
I was considering running like
[[culling ritual]]
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Sorcery
Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value 2 or less. Add 
or 
for each permanent destroyed this way.
"Great power requires great sacrifice. But it need not be my own."
nova ore
I dont think it works with the deck, since it would kill hearthhull plus anything you had to station it
cinder pecan
I dont think it works with the deck, since it would kill hearthhull plus anythin...
Wait what???
How?
nova ore
well unless your using it before you put those out, and I find that buildup in the deck is important
cinder pecan
I guess im not sure how it kills hearthull
nova ore
oh mana value 2 or less, somehow I missed that
nova ore
nm, Im daft, toss it in, nuke the token guy
nova ore
true
tepid lintel
Aww he's so cuuute
I haven't been playing much Hearthhull because I've been loving my gonti deck
But Windgrace is real good
nova ore
I love that windgrace art, reminds me of all the black cats in anime
jade glen
Yessss
cinder pecan
Im incredibly jealous
tepid lintel
Such a cute kitty
tardy hare
👀 Oooo, glad this thread exists! Here's my list: https://moxfield.com/decks/gFqpwT6QnESmkrx48nWeGA
cinder pecan
Welcome in
tardy hare
happy to be here
tepid lintel
It's very very strong
jade glen
It's very very strong
maybe im just greedy
cuz i wanan run
underworrld breach as well
and keep the deck a b3
tepid lintel
jade glen
dang it
digital sinew
I didnt even know this thread existed
cinder pecan
Ye yeeee
tepid lintel
Me neither
cinder pecan
and keep the deck a b3
Notably you can still do this, it just becomes a talking point.
cinder pecan
Hearthull is very good
digital sinew
I find myself setting up for a one turn kill on the board
Is this like the way to go?
digital sinew
I also like sacking my lands one by one
nova ore
and keep the deck a b3
what other GCs are you running that you dont have room for breach?
nova ore
I find myself setting up for a one turn kill on the board
Ive mostly optimized around 1 turn kill with [[hew the entwood]] [[sabotender]] [[tannuk, memorial ensign]] I still run baloths and scute swarm for alternatives, but almost always Im going for the 1 turn kill, hopefully with nahiri, but Ive gotten it with god eternal bontu and zuran orb as well
jade glen
what other GCs are you running that you dont have room for breach?
I have glacial chasm field of the dead and crop rot
Tbh field of the dead being a gc is also weird
nova ore
no it isnt lol, field of the dead is pretty crazy in the right shell
but yeah, glacial chasm and field of the dead, for example are reasons why crop rot is a gc, because it can tutor them
if your curious why field of the dead is a gc, heres the like 50 something combos it enables https://edhrec.com/combos/field-of-the-dead
fun story, a couple of those combos are only 1 card away from being in hearthull
digital sinew
Are you running depletion lands?
Eh?
tepid lintel
[[hickory woodlot]] and such
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Land
This land enters tapped with two depletion counters on it.
, Remove a depletion counter from this land: Add . If there are no depletion counters on this land, sacrifice it.
tepid lintel
Total bangers
digital sinew
no it isnt lol, field of the dead is pretty crazy in the right shell
So are most cards
digital sinew
[[hickory woodlot]] and such
I was tryna go the landfall route
By using fetches and stuff
nova ore
So are most cards
true, but field of the dead feeds a lot of infinite combos with a lot of different cards that are easy to play
tepid lintel
fotd kinda fits anywhere too, with very low opportunity cost
Sure it's better in landfall decks, but you could put it literally anywhere and be happy
digital sinew
I’m also on the silly tempt with discovery for free Marit Lage
nova ore
most of the field of the dead combos dont even need landfall
tepid lintel
I think I prefer the removal one
digital sinew
How do we feel about dryad arbor
nova ore
Ive gone back and forth on it a bunch
we dont really have much to do with it, would require sticking in several more cards to really leverage it
cinder pecan
I have glacial chasm field of the dead and crop rot
I have 2 of those 3
cinder pecan
Tbh field of the dead being a gc is also weird
Its a cracked card
nova ore
Im running just crop rotation for a land sac and landfall effect
cinder pecan
I run it also for the instant speed gy hate, removal/protection, and the ramp and sac trigger
jade glen
im just greedy and want underworld breach as well so i can shifting woodland into it
but at that point
just run six
nova ore
or at that point, just run bracket 4 lol
jade glen
people say my list is b4
i feel like it still feels like a b3
it doesnt win super fast
usually around t6
cinder pecan
remember, 3 gcs isn't a fully rigid restriction
if you feel like your deck is still fitting of the Upgraded bracket even with a 4th GC that's fine
cinder pecan
It depends
If your deck does like to do a lot of direct putting lands into the bin, its okay.
If you wanna get lands into the bin via sacrifice effects, its less impressive
tepid lintel
Seems okay
jade glen
It’s realms uncharted
But it puts them into play
I might remove realms u charted for this
tepid lintel
[[realms uncharted]]
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cinder pecan
https://scryfall.com/card/roe/206/realms-uncharted
This is better imo lol
tepid lintel
I like putting lands onto the battlefield
jade glen
This is better imo lol
I think it dependa
If u are searching for like boseju
Then it is better
But if u want mount doom
digital sinew
This is literally a find 4 lands if you have any play from grave
jade glen
This is literally a find 4 lands if you have any play from grave
Yea
Gifts ungiven for lands
tepid lintel
I like it
jade glen
idk what to slot it in for
digital sinew
I just love suddenly killing the table off with [[rain of filth]]
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Instant
Until end of turn, lands you control gain "Sacrifice this land: Add ."
"When I say it rained, it was not small drops, but a thick, greasy drool pouring from the heavens." —Urza, journal
nova ore
Hm, rain of filth seems fun
I love how Ive been playing this deck for months, and Im still finding cards I want to put in
digital sinew
[[tectonic shift]]
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digital sinew
[[tectoic split]]
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digital sinew
[[tectonic split]]
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tepid lintel
Yeah, we were talking about it above
digital sinew
Ohh just blind
tepid lintel
Yeah I like it
normal raft
Well I’ll be
That looks mighty tasty for muerra too
What’s the breakpoint for immediately giving you your mana back
Have to have two untapped lands, at least
Speaking strictly in terms of paying it with lands, it pays for itself when you have 8 lands
Having mana dorks makes this math way better
If you can run this out when you have, like, 4 lands this would be ideal
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cinder pecan
they gave us another one
do we really need all 8-9 of these???
Idk, I wanna put this one in too
cinder pecan
Im already not on Cultivate
nova ore
thats fair
its the only one I still have that isnt a rotation card
IE sac to get lands out
nova ore
yeah
tepid lintel
Wow another one
digital sinew
It’s gets better once you get graveyard land recursion
cinder pecan
Mhmm
cinder pecan
Hell yeah
tepid lintel
Hmmm, are there any earthbending shenanigans that makes sense here?
Seems strong to get back all the lands you sac with a single effect
cinder pecan
Hmmm
Maybe
But idk if my list has room to try
I would probably make a second list
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you get 
(two energy counters).
You may pay eight rather than pay the mana cost for permanent spells you cast.
"Zendikar still seems so far off, but Chandra is my home."
3/3
digital sinew
Get on it now
nova ore
my hearthhull is mostly geared around doing the combo with either valakut awakening or hew the entwood, so permanants are less useful to me to put into play in a lot of cases, I do have scute swarm as a backup, and I suppose some baloths cards, but thats it
tepid lintel
I feel like earthbend is so good
Especially for reusing fetchlands and depletion lands
Or as a target for harrow
cinder pecan
Mhmm
digital sinew
How does earth bend interact with fetchlands
cinder pecan
You sac the fetch, trigger to search on the stack, earthbend trigger will also go on the stack to bring it back tapped
Youd get the fetch back and the land off the fetch
digital sinew
Now the question I have is
If I have any enters untapped effects does it come in untapped?
nova ore
yes
cinder pecan
Earthbending being a triggered ability doesn’t really work that way
Tho a “for each land you control, earthbend n” would be fun
tepid lintel
Below are things I'm considering for earthbending here: [[Bumi, unleashed]] [[earthbender ascension]]., maybe one of the tophs?
tepid lintel
ETB earthbending is kinda cool with its ability to synergize with Nantuko
tepid lintel
If you have an untapper I think, like spelunking
Not sure if infinite, probably not? Since the nantuko costs 2 or 3 to copy?
cinder pecan
2 to copy
normal raft
Tho a “for each land you control, earthbend n” would be fun
Or an “earthbend 1 x times, where x is the number of lands you control”
digital sinew
[[beifong bounty hunters]]
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cinder pecan
Or an “earthbend 1 x times, where x is the number of lands you control”
Yeah
digital sinew
[[rockalanche]]
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Sorcery — Lesson
Earthbend X, where X is the number of Forests you control. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put X +1/+1 counters on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
tepid lintel
And we don't really have that many creatures
digital sinew
[[the boulder]]
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cinder pecan
Its mostly tokens
digital sinew
[[ready to rumble]]
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digital sinew
Smh
cinder pecan
Its mostly tokens
Which tbf makes rakdos charm a bit of a funny card to keep
digital sinew
[[the boulder ready to]]
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tepid lintel
I reckon you could kill off scuteswarm tokens, but you're already winning if you have scute swarm tokens
digital sinew
[[Toph earthbending master]]
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digital sinew
Unfortunately the ai toph is really good here
cinder pecan
The what toph???
digital sinew
[[toph hard headed]]
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cinder pecan
Oh
digital sinew
Kinda sus, idk if we ever got any confirmation
cinder pecan
Cool
tepid lintel
cinder pecan
Fuck
tepid lintel
Jund makes all cards better
tepid lintel
inb4 Chund?
cinder pecan
Jund makes all cards better
@normal raft
cinder pecan
inb4 Chund?
Hyund
cinder pecan
Jund is the only way I’ll play green
Shame.
Should try out mono green
tepid lintel
Mono green if they had any interesting commanders
cinder pecan
Mono green if they had any interesting commanders
They do. Fight me
Hell we just sent the mono green toph into this chat
digital sinew
[[the tareasque]]
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Legendary Creature — Dinosaur
The Tarrasque has haste and ward 
as long as it was cast.
Whenever The Tarrasque attacks, it fights target creature defending player controls.
When it rises, nations fall.
10/10
tepid lintel
Oh yeah? Name 300 then
cinder pecan
Oh yeah? Name 300 then
Are there 300 mono green legends?
tepid lintel
idk, maybe
tepid lintel
Landfall isn't an interesting mechanic by itself
tepid lintel
Ha, so you can't. Mono green proven to suck.
cinder pecan
It was wizards favorite child for a while
For like 2019 and that was it
cinder pecan
Ha, so you can't. Mono green proven to suck.
Find me 300 mono red commanders that are fun to play
Or 5c
digital sinew
Monored is just ass
cinder pecan
But seriously, the mono green toph looks super fun
digital sinew
Yes
cinder pecan
😑
tepid lintel
Mono red is fun because it's ass
cinder pecan
Idk if redirection is too new for red. Its felt like its been a thing for a while
Theyve just made the effect even more common
tepid lintel
Yeah, it's definitely not new
digital sinew
Well more so that they’re doubling down on it
Making it more accessible
Redirect lighting feels good af
I needa make a few cuts to my list
I wanna include that and valakut awakening
Oh my [[avatar’s destiny]]
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jade glen
https://scryfall.com/card/tla/209/beifongs-bounty-hunters
Omg why is it non token
Wait
I can use token
Field of the dead
Avenger of zendikar
Scute swarm stocks
Yesss
jade glen
https://scryfall.com/card/tla/246/toph-hardheaded-teacher
Maybe this is a little slow but I would like to use it
God I have no room
What do I cut tho
[[horizon explorer]]?
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Creature — Insect Scout
Lands you control enter untapped.
Whenever you attack a player, create a Lander token. (It's an artifact with "
, , Sacrifice this token: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.")
Every world is a new garden.
2/4
tepid lintel
Horizon explorer is great
cinder pecan
[[horizon explorer]]?
Nah this card is good
digital sinew
Alright got some avatar cards
tepid lintel
The deck is so tight, I don't know what to replace for earthbending lmao
jade glen
Guys
Elemental teaching looks better than I think it does
Wait no
I can do more land combos
digital sinew
[[elemntal teachings]]
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digital sinew
I’m on [[seismic sense]]
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digital sinew
Helps to really dig through the deck
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digital sinew
This feels nuts?
tepid lintel
Yeah it's been really good
nova ore
I run both Nahiri's and [[hew the entwood]] which is not quite as good, but either one, with hearthhull and maybe another pinger like [[tannuk, memorial]] or [[sabotender]] can finish a game quick
digital sinew
Shit and here I thought I was done with building the deck
jade glen
Shit and here I thought I was done with building the deck
[[tectonic split]]
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Enchantment
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice half the lands you control, rounded up.
Hexproof
Lands you control have ": Add three mana of any one color."
normal raft
Yeah that card slaps
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Creature — Human Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, untap this creature.
: Untap target land.
Her touch brings to bare stone what water and sun bring to rich soil.
1/1
digital sinew
Is this effectively another amulet of vigor but with summoning sickness?
You can effectively layer the etb triggers so that all lands enter untapped?
jade glen
Is this effectively another amulet of vigor but with summoning sickness?
yes
just run [[ Tiller engine]]
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digital sinew
Was my most recent addition
Dropped mayhem,szarel,braids, bigger on the inside godeternal
Traveling chocobo
digital sinew
Is it me or is [[Nissa of shadowed]] like insanely good
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tepid lintel
I've had her in a few decks, and she's always been mid
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Enchantment
, Pay 2 life, Sacrifice a Swamp: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
When the strands call, only the dead answer.
jade glen
Is it me or is [[Nissa of shadowed]] like insanely good
It’s like infinitely better
cinder pecan
I cant really recommend strands of night in this deck with how few swamps it has
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[[nissa of shadowed boughs]]
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jade glen
I cant really recommend strands of night in this deck with how few swamps it has
I just run urborg so I’m fine
cinder pecan
I mean yeah but still a bit specific
cinder pecan
So you’ve got the cool factor involved
Agreed
tepid lintel
Is Nissa cool?
cinder pecan
Fair
digital sinew
Dryad also fixes the issue if swamps no?
jade glen
Yes
digital sinew
Cool stuff
digital sinew
Super happy with the new build
Hearthull is the deck that goes from
UwU to
Absolute menace to society
from seemingly out of nowhere
river hawk
Whats everyone's thoughts on [[Awaken the Woods]] in this deck? It would go hard with [[Moraug, Fury of Akoum]]. Thoughts?
cinder pecan
its very good
river hawk
And thoughts on comparison... [[Terror of the Peaks]] vs [[Warstorm Surge]]? Creature vs enchantment which does almost the same thing.
nova ore
lol I was so confused by this, like why would you need this in hearthhull
digital sinew
Okay but hear me out
Landfall and reverse landfall with all the token generators
Terror of the peaks as a finisher
Every landfall on rampaging Bayloff is 4 extra damage
Don’t even get me started on scute swarm
digital sinew
Yeah lmao
digital sinew
Just run [[strands of night]]
Yo, I showed this card to some people yesterday and they all collectively lost their minds
jade glen
Yo, I showed this card to some people yesterday and they all collectively lost t...
OH YEAH
its so funny
this is my list
nova ore
I dont run enough swamps in mine to be runnin strands of night, but also pretty sure flowers deck is way beyond bracket 3 with that card quality lol
digital sinew
If you’re running any of the mana rock gc I assume it’s bracket 4+
nova ore
I dont count mana rock gc as the only reason your 4, if your deck is very synergistic, which most of these hearthull decks are at this point, your already pushing bracket 3, if you then throw game changers in to, its pretty much b4, because there arent any pet cards or anything, its all a very focused deck, and alot of people ignore that part about the brackets
cinder pecan
If you’re an upgraded bracket deck and your gcs are chrome mox, mana vault, and mox diamond, that might make me curious but Im not gonna just relegate you to the optimized bracket space, especially since those are the only 3 you’re running
tepid lintel
GCs are only part of the story though
cinder pecan
right
that's why someone running a set of gcs like that doesn't tell me their deck isn't an upgraded bracket deck
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Legendary Land
: Add . Tomb of Urami deals 1 damage to you if you don't control an Ogre.
, , Sacrifice all lands you control: Create Urami, a legendary 5/5 black Demon Spirit creature token with flying.
jade glen
I dont run enough swamps in mine to be runnin strands of night, but also pretty ...
You think so?
Typically I win around t6
T5 jf I get lucky
jade glen
GCs are only part of the story though
Tbh I would run it in a pure artifacts deck just for value
nova ore
Typically I win around t6
win turn doesnt automatically mean its a lower bracket, your card synergy and power is way up there
jade glen
win turn doesnt automatically mean its a lower bracket, your card synergy and po...
I dropped a lot of interactions in my deck
For redundancy
I’m considering dropping exsanguinate
cinder pecan
I still gotta edit my paper list since I still have a couple things to swap
jade glen
I still gotta edit my paper list since I still have a couple things to swap
My friends told me that
My deck is really hard to stop
Cuz I have so many redundancy
But they just end up killing me
With damage
Should I even do exsanguinate
Or go for greensleeves
tepid lintel
t6 win is a really fast win too
jade glen
I just typically let people know I just build strong 3s
I feel like I just accidentally end up being b4
digital sinew
I dropped a lot of interactions in my deck
This is what I ended up doing
I only kept removal and deflecting swat
digital sinew
I've come to announce that [[toph hard headed]] is very very good in the deck
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tepid lintel
Indeed!
jade glen
I've come to announce that [[toph hard headed]] is very very good in the deck
I have not tied it
Does it just make
1/1
cinder pecan
Yes
But since you get to earthbend the lands, you can sac them and get them back
So you can very easily profit
The ability to easily earthbend is huge for a deck like this
digital sinew
Especially for just playing the game
This toph is the most consistent way to earthbend
cinder pecan
mhmm
digital sinew
Plus I got to Blas act twice in a row
Funniest shit ever
Animating a surveil land and sacking it to get more surveils is awesome
Keeping your fetch lands is even better
Combine that with any of the land untappers
You get so many lands out for free
jade glen
Okay I will get a copy
hollow valve
I am building hearthhull and I do think earthbending is just so fucking good but can't go too hard on it as you need repeatable earthbending to pay off
jade glen
I am building hearthhull and I do think earthbending is just so fucking good but...
my deck alr sao cooked
i have no room
digital sinew
I am building hearthhull and I do think earthbending is just so fucking good but...
Toph is the only repeatable way
hollow valve
Toph is the only repeatable way
[[Bei Fong Bounty Hunters]]
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hollow valve
Goes infinite with some stuff too eg field of the dead and sac outlet
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digital sinew
[[altar of]]
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digital sinew
[[altar of demen]]
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jade glen
i mean if u wanna self mill?
but u can usually do that with like
an icetill
or life from the loam
digital sinew
(target player)
jade glen
Ya I cannot say this deck is b3 anymore
It’s just a b4
It’s now at the point where I can play thru
3 counterspells
Thooo someone Galadriel dismissal me
And that cooked me
digital sinew
I’m also in the same boat
I recently had a turn 5 win
So idk if I sit in b3 anymore
Even without game changers
My deck has so much resilience that even upon the removal of my board I just get it all back the next turn
tepid lintel
Build it before what?
jade glen
Also
Ok a side note
Tectonic split
Is broken
And uninterrupted my deck usually wins around t5-6 as well. T3-4 if I draw well
digital sinew
Copy, I can’t figure out what to cut for it
I wonder if the seed could be pushed into some cedh viability
Idk seems cope
nova ore
yeah station is too slow and vulnerable in cedh, and this isnt in the colors to provide a lot of protection
digital sinew
Yeah true
Tbh you can just run it as all gas no brakes
Like semi blue does
Putting that aside
If tectonic split is in grave, shifting woodlands can basically become it for the turn right?
And you keep the benefits
cinder pecan
Build it before what?
Boooooooooo
tepid lintel
❤️
hollow valve
And uninterrupted my deck usually wins around t5-6 as well. T3-4 if I draw well
What's the win con there - that's a lot of damage to be doing when I don't see many loops
jade glen
What's the win con there - that's a lot of damage to be doing when I don't see m...
The entire deck is loops
I can kill with hearthhull
Valakut
Mount doom
Combat damage
Tokens with field of the dead
Copies with spring heart
Infinite health too if I want
hollow valve
The entire deck is loops
Yeah but like what loops are happening in the first 4 turns
Hearthhull only gets out turn 3, maybe 2 if you get an early burgeoning or exploration
You might want to consider Mirrorpool and Vesuva. Maybe also sun scorched desert
You have the makings of lumra loops
jade glen
Hearthhull only gets out turn 3, maybe 2 if you get an early burgeoning or explo...
No need
Mount doom does that
hollow valve
No lotus field
jade glen
It’s there
hollow valve
Oh right it's the weird art without the text at the top
jade glen
Mhm
hollow valve
Yeah mirrorpool loops are strong
Lumra mirrorpool shenanigans
You already have the rest of the combo
jade glen
I run without imo
It feels dead in hand
I don’t have ways to make colorless
So I can’t activate it as consistently
hollow valve
Ah true
hollow valve
I forget that my lumra list is mostly colourless mana
jade glen
Oh valakut does it better
Need mountains
digital sinew
[[mount doom]]
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Legendary Land
, Pay 1 life: Add or 
.
, : Mount Doom deals 1 damage to each opponent.
, , Sacrifice Mount Doom and a legendary artifact: Choose up to two creatures, then destroy the rest. Activate only as a sorcery.
jade glen
Surprised at no tannuk
My group plays a lot of mom
So he just often times is dead jn hand
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digital sinew
Enough credit and love
As its own deck it’s fucking scary
You can get lethal on someone wayyyy too quickly
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digital sinew
Ah
jade glen
Guys
What’s the verdict on
Elemental teaching
I think it’s
Ok
If ur only win is land combos with stuff like blossoming tortoise
It’s great
My deck has multiple so
I decided to drop it
Also I feel like the deck does not need lord wingrace
nova ore
yeah I havent run lord wingrace since the first time I drew him, hes just win more
jade glen
Evendo brushrazer has taken his place
cinder pecan
[[evendo brushrazer]]
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Creature — Insect Warrior
Whenever you sacrifice a nontoken permanent, exile the top card of your library.
During your turn, as long as you've sacrificed a nontoken permanent this turn, you may play cards exiled with this creature.
, Sacrifice a land: Add .
"Progress always has a price."
2/2
tepid lintel
I run both
tepid lintel
I won't dare
jade glen
I dropped windgrace for
Torment of hailfire
Since I make soooo much mana in the deck
tepid lintel
I love lumberjack so much
I wish I had gotten Foglio's version before it increased in price
jade glen
[[orcish lumberjack]]
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Creature — Orc
, Sacrifice a Forest: Add three mana in any combination of and/or .
"Wood is wasted in the dirt." —Orcish proverb
1/1
tepid lintel
[[!orcish lumberjack|SLD]] 
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cinder pecan
I’m tryna get orcish lumberjack
Its so good
distant blade
It's pretty strong. Not [[squandered resources]] but few things are
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cinder pecan
It's pretty strong. Not [[squandered resources]] but few things are
few things get banned in block constructed...
digital sinew
Fuck it ima build turbo seed
jade glen
Fuck it ima build turbo seed
turbo seed is soooo funny
thats what mine is
just win t4
what are interaction
ur commander is just backup plan
making copies of avenger of zendikar with springheart nantuko is sooo funny
tepid lintel
HMMM [[cycle of renewal]] is tought not to run lmao
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tepid lintel
I already have like 4 effects
cinder pecan
I would run it over any cultivate effect in this deck
tepid lintel
Jokes on you. I want to be down lands!
Right, it's not part of the cost to sacrifice
cinder pecan
Yeah I don’t think the sac as part of the cost is too big a detriment, especially since harrow puts the lands in untapped
digital sinew
Having a hard time cutting cards for [[tectonic split]]
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Enchantment
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice half the lands you control, rounded up.
Hexproof
Lands you control have ": Add three mana of any one color."
whole chasm
are yall playing badgermole cub at all?
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tepid lintel
I put in the gruul toph though
whole chasm
[[$badgermole cub]]
i work minimum wage so i proxy like 90% of cards. so i dont look at that tbh.
jade glen
Yall
How has gruul toph been
I have not tested
But idk if it’s worse for us or not
digital sinew
It’s insanely good for us
Being able to earthbend at will is so fucking busted
Especially when I earthbend a fetch land
And have an untapper on board
While just going about my game plan
hollow valve
There are too many cool cards for landsy decks, I can't pick which to keep
I want so much earthbending
I want ashaya loops. I want lumra loops.
digital sinew
I have like 30 infinites in my deck
Do I ever use any?
No
The deck functions too well despite
digital sinew
Yup I need emergence zone
tepid lintel
[[emergence zone]]
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Land
: Add 
.
, , Sacrifice this land: You may cast spells this turn as though they had flash.
The Planar Bridge opened over the Chamber of the Guildpact, reducing the symbol of Ravnica's endurance to rubble.
tepid lintel
Ohh that's awesome
digital sinew
I also wanna get on[[tyvar jubilant]]
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digital sinew
Stationing is an activated ability
hollow valve
Stationing is an activated ability
Yes but can still only be done during your turn
And you can already station as though the creatures had haste
So kind of does nothing
digital sinew
digital sinew
Moraug plays are always silly
nova ore
Hm, so I got a box of avatar boosters and I popped both Toph metalbender and badgermole cub, and now Im torn on adding them to hearthull, or taking apart hearthhull and building toph
cinder pecan
Nah
The card pool for those two legends is so different
Either brew both or keep hearthhull
nova ore
yes and no, alot of the stuff in hearthull would be useful in toph, like the multi land / land from gy stuff
like zuran orb, icetill explorer, azusa
hollow valve
Ugh I was so sure I was going for hearthhull but then I realised naya toph is cool
nova ore
yeah, its a challenge lol
jade glen
Stasis coffin loop is op
hollow valve
I think hearthhull and toph are sufficiently different to not feel too overlappy
Depending on how sweaty you make them
I think as they become more combo-y, they also become more similar
nova ore
yeah, I might try to figure out a toph deck that doesnt crossover with hearthull, because I really dont want to take apart hearthhull, its still one of my all time favorite decks
cinder pecan
yeah, I might try to figure out a toph deck that doesnt crossover with hearthull...
Eggs. Tho that kind of crosses over in game plan even if the cards are different
nova ore
hm, eggs, I dont have an eggs deck
tepid lintel
Make a green eggs and ham deck
nova ore
but also probably a different thread then hearthull
tepid lintel
[[formidable speaker]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
When this creature enters, you may discard a card. If you do, search your library for a creature card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
, : Untap another target permanent.
Jean-Emmanuel Depraz, World Champion XXIX
2/4
digital sinew
Yeah Ive been planning to get on this hunk
digital sinew
Have we considered [[birthing pod]]
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Artifact
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
, , Sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a creature card with mana value equal to 1 plus the sacrificed creature's mana value, put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
digital sinew
And [[noxious revival]]
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Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Put target card from a graveyard on top of its owner's library.
"Dead or alive, my creations are stronger than Jin-Gitaxias's septic minions." —Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
cinder pecan
Pod no, revival the same as I would for any green-x deck
digital sinew
[[colossal grave reaver]]
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digital sinew
Yeah this is really good for reanimator strats
Wait sorry wrong server
This is still a cool card
digital sinew
Been messing with elemental teaching piles
Current pile is
Vesuva
Shifting woodlands
Echoing deeps
Valakut
digital sinew
[[hew the ent]]
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nova ore
[[hew the ent]]
I already run this as a backup to Nahiri's Lithoforming, its worked a couple of times, its not as great and you sort of have to have something out that lets you play lands from gy to really recover from it, but if its your kill shot its good
topaz frost
What do you folks think of this precon out of the box? Last friday, a friend of mine wanted to learn how to play magic, so they came to commander night at the LGS. I didn't have any beginner decks, so I bought this to play with them. I'm thinking of keeping it as-is so I have a precon level deck. Is it a good deck for that, or am I better off upgrading this and finding a different precon to use as my beginner deck?
cinder pecan
Out of the box I think its very good
topaz frost
Szarel is a commander that has interested me for a long time, but I've never actually built it because I was concerned it would be too similar to my other 
decks. So I think holding onto this as a out-of-the-box precon will let me stick to the playstyle I enjoy even when I play at a lower power level
tepid lintel
Yeah it's quite good out of the box.
I haven't tried with szarel at the helm, but I imagine they would also work well
nova ore
Szarel is a commander that has interested me for a long time, but I've never act...
I tried this deck with Szarel, Id definitly stick with hearthull as your commander, the deck, especially the precon fires much better, Szarel needs a lot of upgrades to really do much, and even then isnt very unique as you say
raw yoke
What do you folks think of this precon out of the box? Last friday, a friend of ...
I think it also that it plays well out from the box, if you want to do like 10 swaps it plays even better and smoother and just bumps level a bit but smooths out the gameplay
tepid lintel
[[planar engineering]] another one!
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hollow valve
Gotta run a lot of basics for that though
But it's a banger
I really want to build Hearthhull but it feels so op
cinder pecan
Gotta run a lot of basics for that though
This is a lands matter deck.
You gotta run lots of basics
hollow valve
Just be rich and you don't need basics
Nah you always do when you run enough lands I guess
tepid lintel
There needs to be more rewards for playing basics
nova ore
[[planar engineering]] another one!
so I finally took apart my hearthhull deck after what 8 or 9 months, but I built Tifa instead, so Ill play this in tifa all day long
cinder pecan
My Hearthhull deck is also no longer with us
tepid lintel
Pouring one out as we speak
nova ore
yeah, I just reached a point where it was either too strong in the pod or too weak in the pod so it would either stomp everyone or lose, and thats too binary for me for anything that isnt cedh, and while I could have detuned it, I found myself just holding till I got the combo with hew the entwood or nahiri to go for the win instead of doing much with the rest of the deck and tuned everything around that combo, and that got boring after a while
cinder pecan
no, the 5c one
that's how much I love evoke: I can put aside it being a "5c" legend
nova ore
wow, I played the precon for a bit, even threw some cards like sunderflock and flamekin harbinger in it, but I just cant do the 5c thing
then again I have terrible luck with mana screw, it happens often
I literally had multiple games with hearthhull on 38 lands where somehow I got like 3 lands in the first 8 turns
cinder pecan
wow, I played the precon for a bit, even threw some cards like sunderflock and f...
tbf, I have not played the deck since the first week I got it
I plan to again soon, but if I keep ignoring it I may also dismantle that one
tepid lintel
yeah, I just reached a point where it was either too strong in the pod or too we...
Is this not Tifa?
Or is it a different tifa I'm thinking of?
nova ore
[[tifa lockheart]]
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nova ore
this one @tepid lintel
tepid lintel
Yeah that sounds even more feast or famine 😅
nova ore
yeah
thats why I was like if Im already going for the ridiculous chain I might as well just make the whole deck about it
building it took a huge amount of the cards I had in hearthull
austere condor
I literally had multiple games with hearthhull on 38 lands where somehow I got l...
That's why you keep him at the 42 lands
Why did you cut 4 lands in a lands matter deck @nova ore ?
nova ore
That's why you keep him at the 42 lands
because with so many fetches and ramp you shouldnt need 42 lands, otherwise you wind up getting land flooded and no gas