That’s the other one I’m thinking of cutting
#"World Shaper" Communal Precon Thread
cinder pecan
tepid lintel
I'll probably put my orcish lumberjack in instead because it's cuter
cinder pecan
Maybe I take that out and put Korvold back in lol
tepid lintel
Korvold is a house (unsurprisingly)
cinder pecan
I'll probably put my orcish lumberjack in instead because it's cuter
If I didn’t think I wouldn’t have enough forests I would
Yeah I think I’ll do that
tepid lintel
I'm a little suspicious of mazirek and titania on the top end tbh
cinder pecan
lol this fucking curve
cinder pecan
I'm a little suspicious of mazirek and titania on the top end tbh
I have a huge soft spot for Titania already and I do still like her in this list
So she’s not going anywhere lol
tepid lintel
Fair
cinder pecan
That definitely has some bias, but even so she stays
tepid lintel
I'm probably going to run both titanias too anyways lol
cinder pecan
I think if I’m keeping Korvold then I’m fine with Mazirek
tepid lintel
Treasures definitely help
cinder pecan
I do have an [[amzu]] but I don’t want it for this deck
tepid lintel
Any cool lander cards this set?
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cinder pecan
Any cool lander cards this set?
There’s the spelunking creature that has ways to make them in the precon
cinder pecan
I’m trying to keep as many new cards in as possible
I think I’ve only cut one of them
tepid lintel
That's fair
I also wonder if this is a faithless looting deck
I have an extra copy of the best version of it, so I wanna use it
cinder pecan
I'm also suspicious of Eumidian Wastewalker
It’s probably just one draw each time, yeah
cinder pecan
I have an extra copy of the best version of it, so I wanna use it
I have a few copies myself so maybe that’s worth trying
But yeah I’m not sure if that guy is good here
tepid lintel
Probably better if you have more GY shenanigans
I kinda want to make a grist deck after this takes over my current golgari deck
So many golgari insects this set
Evendo Brushrazer overperformed in the gameplay I watched too. Good card.
cinder pecan
Yeah
I think I will take that out in favor of something cheaper
Idk about FLooting in this deck tho
tepid lintel
It's only really good with like Gitrog out
tepid lintel
Exploration Broodship was better than I had thought too.
cinder pecan
Oh I like it a lot
It’s so good
I think people are overestimating how slow it is to station
See: our convo we’re having in #format-philosophy about the new cradle and academy
tepid lintel
I ought to get back to work. See ya!
cinder pecan
Cheers
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tepid lintel
Nah
jade glen
Nah
Only reason is just have alot of bounce landa and cloudstone
And ways to play extra landa
tepid lintel
Deckslots are too valuable
cinder pecan
no its too expensive (monetarily)
jade glen
Ah
quasi torrent
I run horn of greed, and it's typically the biggest amount of draw my windgrace deck sees on a regular basis
cinder pecan
I go for card advantage in lands decks like Mul Daya or Case of Locked Hothouse
tepid lintel
[[Loot exuberant]]
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Legendary Creature — Beast Noble
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
, 
: Look at the top six cards of your library. You may reveal a creature card with mana value less than or equal to the number of lands you control from among them and put it onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
1/4
tepid lintel
I'm running this fella
cinder pecan
aw, Loooooooooooooooooooot
tepid lintel
Oh yeah, forgot I got a [[pox]] for this deck lmfao
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tepid lintel
[[!pox||MB2]] is so pretty
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tepid lintel
I love futuresight border
tepid lintel
Got [[strands of night]] too
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Enchantment
, Pay 2 life, Sacrifice a Swamp: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
When the strands call, only the dead answer.
tepid lintel
Also got [[wrenn and seven]], not sure if it's going in though
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Elf
Jarad gets +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard.
, Sacrifice another creature: Each opponent loses life equal to the sacrificed creature's power.
Sacrifice a Swamp and a Forest: Return this card from your graveyard to your hand.
2/2
jade glen
And [[Druid class]]
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you gain 1 life.
: Level 2
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
: Level 3
When this Class becomes level 3, target land you control becomes a creature with haste and "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control." It's still a land.
tepid lintel
[[mina and denn]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Ally
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Target creature gains trample until end of turn.
Greenweaver Mina and her twin brother Denn lead the last of the Mul Daya into an uncertain future.
4/4
tepid lintel
I don't like it at all
cinder pecan
not for this deck
jade glen
I wanted to do extra land drops but
It looks like wrenn and seven will have to do
Also [[jarad golgari lich lord]] has been a fav in this deck from testing
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Elf
Jarad gets +1/+1 for each creature card in your graveyard.
, Sacrifice another creature: Each opponent loses life equal to the sacrificed creature's power.
Sacrifice a Swamp and a Forest: Return this card from your graveyard to your hand.
2/2
jade glen
Especially since I am running ashaya lumra and the Titania meld
It just helps me close out games
tepid lintel
disorienting choice is a ramp 3 lands of your choice
jade glen
It is but for basics
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tepid lintel
It's a better tempt with discovery
tepid lintel
[[open the way]] and [[omenpath journey]] are also both great
cinder pecan
I've not been sold on Omenpath Journey
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tepid lintel
But we run mostly basics, so it's probably meh
Also doesn't crew our dude for 2
I want to run [[detritivore]], but it's so slow
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Creature — Lhurgoyf
Detritivore's power and toughness are each equal to the number of nonbasic land cards in your opponents' graveyards.
Suspend X—
. X can't be 0. (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay and exile it with X time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost. It has haste.)
Whenever a time counter is removed from this card while it's exiled, destroy target nonbasic land.
*/*
tepid lintel
[[realms uncharted]]
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tepid lintel
Oh yeah, that's pretty good
Too bad they don't come out onto the battlefield like disorienting choice though
jade glen
I need more like land tutors
cinder pecan
[[$realms uncharted]]
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tepid lintel
Just make anything into a land tutor with that creature that makes everything basic
jade glen
[[Roothpath purifier]]
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cinder pecan
Season of Gathering, Assassin's Trophy, Collective Resistance, Worldsoul's Rage, Planetary Annihilation, Pest Infestation, Blaspemous Act, Beast Within, Putrefy, Tear Asunder, Rakdos Charm
tepid lintel
Oh right, rakdos charm
cinder pecan
might cut that tho especially since scute swarm...
tepid lintel
Scute and the other one, yeah
tepid lintel
I don't know if [[strands of night]] is worth it for me
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Enchantment
, Pay 2 life, Sacrifice a Swamp: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
When the strands call, only the dead answer.
tepid lintel
Ohh how I long to have these three out at once
[[braids, cabal minion]] [[destructive flow]] [[stoneshaker shaman]]
cinder pecan
I do feel like its a kind of build I'm not going for with my list
tepid lintel
That's what makes it fun!
cinder pecan
its def a fun idea
but I'd make a different list for it
tho I can imagine making a deck surrounding saccing lands on mass
I might make that
tepid lintel
Funnily enough, goldfishing I feel the most landstarved I've ever felt
quasi torrent
Ohh how I long to have these three out at once
can confirm. Jund control is real, lol
tepid lintel
It is spicy, but not in this deck
You really need a deck with mostly monocolored stuff
If not just mono-green
jade glen
My deck is like
80 percent green
Also I feel like I can play around this with like lotus cobra like effects
Idk what other land denial I can do
tepid lintel
I went to go look at the ultimatums, and boy does Jund's suuuuuuck
tepid lintel
[[violent ultimatum]] toilet paper bnasically
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cinder pecan
the Abzan one is way better for this kind of deck...
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tepid lintel
Funny = useless
cinder pecan
its the worst of the ultimatums
like easily
I mean I can already imagine someone doing a Hare Apparent and Persistent Petitioners listr
tepid lintel
And the white soldiers and bunnies
tepid lintel
but also, thrumming stone is like 3 mana
tepid lintel
Is it in your dragon's approach deck?
cinder pecan
yeeeeeeeeeeeeep
cinder pecan
there's a reason I'm on a key
tepid lintel
Goldfishing, I have 40 lands, and all my hands either have 0 or 1 lol
tepid lintel
You guys like other lands that sacrifice themselves much? Like [[field of ruin]] [[demolition field]]
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Land
: Add 
.
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. Each player searches their library for a basic land card, puts it onto the battlefield, then shuffles.
Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. That land's controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. You may search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
cinder pecan
I am on a ton of the fetchlands
cinder pecan
yeah I have all 3
tepid lintel
[[larval scoutlander]] ?
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cinder pecan
that's not why you run it
you run it for the harrow yeah
so its just more redundancy
cinder pecan
how many do we have?
Harrow, The Zendikar Rising one, Entish Restoration...
is there another?
tepid lintel
[[springbloom druid]]
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tepid lintel
I mentioned it before, but [[surveyor's scope]] probably works very often
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Artifact
, Exile this artifact: Search your library for up to X basic land cards, where X is the number of players who control at least two more lands than you. Put those cards onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
tepid lintel
[[brass's tunnel grinder]] is always great too
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Legendary Artifact
When Brass's Tunnel-Grinder enters, discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards plus one.
At the beginning of your end step, if you descended this turn, put a bore counter on Brass's Tunnel-Grinder. Then if there are three or more bore counters on it, remove those counters and transform it. (You descended if a permanent card was put into your graveyard from anywhere.)
Tecutlan, the Searing Rift
Legendary Land — Cave
(Transforms from Brass's Tunnel-Grinder.)
: Add .
Whenever you cast a permanent spell using mana produced by Tecutlan, discover X, where X is that spell's mana value.
cinder pecan
[[brass's tunnel grinder]] is always great too
don
don't give me more places to put this card
I love this card so much
tepid lintel
Yeah same. It fits very well here though.
cinder pecan
I have
Unmodified it did pretty dang well
I still have to get 10 cards for my upgrade but I have about half of those on the way, and most of my upgrades are now in the deck
jade glen
Yayyy
cinder pecan
It was fun
jade glen
I am finishing mine up
sturdy heath
hey what's your opinion on [[Tifa Lockhart]] and [[Mossborn Hydra]]? i think they can do very well, can be big creatures easy and have trample
cinder pecan
I don’t like them too much for this deck, largely because I feel like I’d rather go wide than tall with it. They can work very well in it tho
cinder pecan
Yeah
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tepid lintel
Why's that?
cinder pecan
Yeah I’m not too sure you want this unless you’ve set up your Oracle of Mul Daya and friends super well
jade glen
Yeah I’m not too sure you want this unless you’ve set up your Oracle of Mul Daya...
Famished world site tech
You can also run it with [[clear the lands]]
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cinder pecan
[[famished world site]]
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Creature — Leviathan
Ward
Devour land 3 (As this creature enters, you may sacrifice any number of lands. It enters with three times that many +1/+1 counters on it.)
When this creature enters, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is this creature's power. Put any number of land cards from among them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
0/0
jade glen
Mhm
jade glen
The more I play
The more I wanna run
Avenger of zendikar
For the mana
And for the sac
cinder pecan
lol
jade glen
someone tried to tell me that this was a bracket 4 deck cuz i pulled this combo line on turn 7
cinder pecan
im not seeing the line
mighty ravine
How does the new deck play?
cinder pecan
I like it
mighty ravine
What kind of style. Actually a land deck?
cinder pecan
yes
mighty ravine
How is it out if the box
cinder pecan
I enjoyed it
mighty ravine
Which commander seems better?
cinder pecan
Hearthull (the spaceship)
mighty ravine
interesting. my friend has the deck. idk how my pod would feel about having two around
tepid lintel
[[endstone]]
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jade glen
im not seeing the line
This line is in context with u having a lot of lands out and a bounce land Az well
That way u can loop lumra and sac it to Jarad
And bomb people
jade glen
Is this a seed born muse deck yall
tepid lintel
Probably not
cinder pecan
If you could play land drops on your opponent’s turn then yes
tepid lintel
Just be the problem that needs dealt with
empty heart
Obligatory [[icetill explorer]]
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empty heart
My [[mightform harmonizer]] promo may need to slide in here as well
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Creature — Insect Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, double the power of target creature you control until end of turn.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
4/4
empty heart
tepid lintel
Might be worth it. Crucible of worlds itself is $30
And all those cards minus Aggressive Mining are good here
empty heart
Galaxy foils worth it?
wild zenith
Galaxy foils worth it?
Not sure tho the Crucible of Worlds maybe but I think this is a niche Lair :/
tepid lintel
It is niche to this deck, yeah
empty heart
Yeah I’m a sucker for some galaxy foils. Not too worried about the value of it all. I don’t sell cards anyways lol
tepid lintel
Yeah lol
cinder pecan
Might actually get the lair just because of the cards in it
Those are some decent ones
Actually no, not for 75 bucks
eager egret
which of the two main commanders are better in the command zone?
tepid lintel
Might actually get the lair just because of the cards in it
You can just get the cards for 30
Which is the regular secret lair price, then 45 for the precon
eager egret
[[rain of filth]] tapping and sacking all lands to dump into an [[awaken the woods]]
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Instant
Until end of turn, lands you control gain "Sacrifice this land: Add ."
"When I say it rained, it was not small drops, but a thick, greasy drool pouring from the heavens." —Urza, journal
eager egret
get a bunch of land sac triggers and then landfall triggers in near enough one go
could be a game ender
whole chasm
would yall put reprocess in the deck? its in the secret lair but nobody on edhrec has it in the deck
cinder pecan
[[reprocess]]
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cinder pecan
It’s good
I don’t have it in my list, but it is good in these decks
I might add it actually lol
tepid lintel
Yeah I'm debating getting the sld lol
whole chasm
debating picking up the secret lair
only card out of it id refuse to play is [[aggresive mining]]
cinder pecan
also don’t take a lack of it on EDHREC as a sign you shouldn’t run it; EDHREC isn’t necessarily about recommendations or lack thereof
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tepid lintel
I kinda want an aggressive mining for a future [[zedruu]] list I want
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Legendary Creature — Minotaur Monk
At the beginning of your upkeep, you gain X life and draw X cards, where X is the number of permanents you own that your opponents control.
: Target opponent gains control of target permanent you control.
2/4
cinder pecan
I too won’t run Aggressive Mining, but the other 4 are worth giving a try in the deck
cinder pecan
I kinda want an aggressive mining for a future [[zedruu]] list I want
lol
round sigil
Aggressive mining is pretty fun
You just need a way to kill it yourself
Or a way to recur lands without playing them
tepid lintel
🤝
tepid lintel
I got the precon bundle, so it was only going to be $20 more to get free shipping
tepid lintel
Are we on [[valakut exploration]]?
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tepid lintel
I don't think I love it
jade glen
would yall put reprocess in the deck? its in the secret lair but nobody on edhre...
I prefer pitiless carnage
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tepid lintel
😅
jade glen
Run both
tepid lintel
Only 99 cards
jade glen
What else is in ur list
tepid lintel
Stuff and things
jade glen
I like the card cuz it’s just a game ender
And also card draw
And also lets me play lands from
The top
It’s multipurpose
empty heart
[[mossborn hydra]] is pretty great in here. Made it like a 128/128 in 2 turns
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tepid lintel
Mossobrn hydra is cool, yeah
jade glen
Me when I hate doing combat
So all my wincons is just thermal nuclearing my lands to bomb the tables life
tepid lintel
As they should
jade glen
https://moxfield.com/decks/fnTcLp4OjESADM4z476tJA
I don’t like mana dorks in this dexk
I rather run a higher land count
Also additional ways to play lands is really nice
Big fan of Azusa like effects
And ways to play landa for grave
cinder pecan
not a fan of azusa here w/o playing lands from the bin tho
So generally I wouldn't add her
round sigil
I think I need more card draw
cinder pecan
are you running any of the keys @round sigil ?
round sigil
are you running any of the keys <@95374642381848576> ?
What keys should I add?
cinder pecan
[[manifold key]] is the one I have
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Artifact
, : Untap another target artifact.
, : Target creature can't be blocked this turn.
"Finally! It was worth the price to never have to fiddle with lockpicks ever again." —Davvry Mineshadow, thief
round sigil
Seems too slow for my deck
round sigil
My game plan is, stall with tokens while making opponents sac lands to prevent big bombs. Then recur all my lands and do a massive sac spell to close out the game
Essentially it's mld for b3 where the mld is more of a finisher and less of a, send you back to the stone age
tepid lintel
1 mana too slow 😔
round sigil
Not the 1 mana it's just a single untap
jade glen
Not the 1 mana it's just a single untap
This is mine if you get any idea
It’s a very fair bracket 3
round sigil
Seems pretty similar to mine
With a bit less mld
But I've already talked to my pod about it and they are cool with it
tepid lintel
Running conduit of worlds and not crucible of worlds?
What mld do you have in it?
[[pox]]?
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What mld do you have in it?
[[tainted aether]]
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[[braids cabal]]
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tepid lintel
Braids 🐐
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[[tectonic break]]
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[[desolation]]
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[[price of glory]]
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[[impending disaster]]
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Things they can respond to, but are mean
empty heart
[[unwinding clock]]
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empty heart
Much better in the jeskai deck I suppose but could be fun for constant untapped hearthhull
cinder pecan
but you don't get the extra land drops
since you can't play lands on opponents turns
yeah Seedborn Muse and friends aren't too useful in this deck if you want those extra land drops
eager egret
If you're playing the insect commander you can run zask and functionally ignore commander tax
Also I still think rain of filth is highly playable in this to cast potentially big x spells
cinder pecan
I don't like Szarel as the commander of this deck
there's not much sacrifice outlets for it, nor is there much ways to make it bigger itself
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round sigil
Is pretty fun
In the deck
You can play a land you sacrificed
So he ramps really hard
cinder pecan
yknow, he could be fun to try in the deck
round sigil
I upgraded his precon and he is a straight terror
tepid lintel
He can't play a land you sacrificed
Since it's only if they entered the gy from a library
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Rip
empty heart
Anyone have a heavily upgraded hearthhull list?
tepid lintel
I think it's not really that heavily upgradable tbh
The best thing you can do for it is fetchlands probs
empty heart
I’ve added [[famished worldsire]] , [[mightform harmonizer]] , and [[icetill explorer]] so far. Just looking for some other must adds
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Creature — Leviathan
Ward
Devour land 3 (As this creature enters, you may sacrifice any number of lands. It enters with three times that many +1/+1 counters on it.)
When this creature enters, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is this creature's power. Put any number of land cards from among them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
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Creature — Insect Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, double the power of target creature you control until end of turn.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
4/4
empty heart
Thinking about [[six]]
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tepid lintel
Yeah, I'm running six
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tepid lintel
Reprocess all your lands into a genesis wave? Sign me up.
cinder pecan
I’ve added [[famished worldsire]] , [[mightform harmonizer]] , and [[icetill exp...
here I can share mine again
I do have Six in mine
cinder pecan
You have six what in yours?
6 lands in my board after I cast [[planetary anihilation]]
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tepid lintel
5 golden rings
tepid lintel
Seems good to me
cinder pecan
its not bad, yeah
round sigil
The issue with the deck imo is that there are too many cool cards to add to it
jade glen
I'm going to run [[genesis wave]] probably
I dropped wrenn and seven for summon titan
empty heart
I got stomped last night by the other precon and a cloud deck
jade glen
I got stomped last night by the other precon and a cloud deck
Was it thru combat
empty heart
I just got flooded 2 games in a row
And my opponent with the cloud deck kept stealing my commander with yuffie
Kind of want to throw in [[dawnsire, sunstar deadnaught]] for the lols
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[[dark depths]]
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Legendary Snow Land
Dark Depths enters with ten ice counters on it.
: Remove an ice counter from Dark Depths.
When Dark Depths has no ice counters on it, sacrifice it. If you do, create Marit Lage, a legendary 20/20 black Avatar creature token with flying and indestructible.
round sigil
Running vesuva + thespian+ copy cave land seems fun for this deck
tepid lintel
Yeah
jade glen
I just got flooded 2 games in a row
Like mana flooded?
Also you can just [[constant mist]] if u are losing to combat
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cinder pecan
Idk about Vesuva or the Cave from LCI. But I do think Stage Depths could be fun
jade glen
Not everyone likes 1 card turbofog
It does prevent him from being flooded
Plus there are cards that stop it now
Like [[frenzied baloths]]
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tepid lintel
[[questing beast]] has almost always been a thing
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tepid lintel
Doesn't make it more okay lol
cinder pecan
[[questing beast]] has almost always been a thing
Love this thing
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[[sun lynx]]
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topaz frost
So, how much of the precon do I need to be using if I want to post my deck in this thread? Because I'm building a deck around Szarel, but that's about it
cinder pecan
So, how much of the precon do I need to be using if I want to post my deck in th...
I'd say usage of this thread is more about taking the shell/foundation of the precon and building from there
but I don't think its too big a deal if you posted the list here, just might not get the kind of attention if you posted it outside this one
topaz frost
fair enough. I'll post elsewhere then
round sigil
The ship is way cooler for this deck
empty heart
Killed the whole table tonight sacing lands with my commander stationed
People were not happy with me
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[[squirrel wrangler]]
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Creature — Human Druid
, Sacrifice a land: Create two 1/1 green Squirrel creature tokens.
, Sacrifice a land: Squirrel creatures get +1/+1 until end of turn.
"Gnawed to death. Bad way to go."
2/2
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[[geothermal caves]]
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[[geothermal crevice]]
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Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
, Sacrifice this land: Add .
tepid lintel
[[hugs]] is probably good
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jade glen
and [[autumn veil]]
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[[seedtime]]
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jade glen
lmao
jade glen
Guys
My friends said my hearthull decks durdle too much
idk what other wincons to put in
also is this a traveling chocobo deck?
jade glen
i think I just struggle getting like
the other pieces of what i need
the more i play this deck the more im like
i dont like crop rot in the deck
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tepid lintel
Seems fine
tepid lintel
I think I like [[nissa of shadowed bows]] a lot more
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jade glen
its a bit slow but i can see both being good
tepid lintel
Vital force is kinda a 5 mana Ewit at its floor, whereas shadowed boughs is a reanimate
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jade glen
thoughts?
cinder pecan
its really only good for the commander and can very easily become irrelevant
tepid lintel
I think I may have mentioned [[overlaid terrain]]
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Enchantment
As this enchantment enters, sacrifice all lands you control.
Lands you control have ": Add two mana of any one color."
One must reap before one can sow.
tepid lintel
Might be interesting
tepid lintel
I think sac synergies are more important than landfall synergies
tepid lintel
The sac baloth I like here, not really the landfall one
Sac baloth being a lower mv helps a lot
halcyon pine
a bit yeah
tepid lintel
Mind posting your list here?
tepid lintel
Yeah, landfall is still good
halcyon pine
considering is all stuff i thought may be cool, some are super off budget tho
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tepid lintel
[[tannuk memorial ensign]]
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tepid lintel
One you may have missed
halcyon pine
https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/192/icetill-explorer
yeah this one is a bazillion bucks
tepid lintel
I don't love mayhem devil
tepid lintel
Like Juri?
tepid lintel
I also don't really love augur
halcyon pine
oh are we playing enough interaction?
tepid lintel
I run more in my deck
halcyon pine
augur can probably go
halcyon pine
i generally count removal and wipes separatly
i run like, 6 non wipes? i think that should be a good number
tepid lintel
Yeah that seems plenty for this type of deck
halcyon pine
lemme check tannuk real quick
tepid lintel
I think Eumidian Wastewaker can go too. It's really in the wrong deck.
halcyon pine
i have to see if the brazilian market is being weird again
[[eumidian wastewalker]]
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Creature — Insect Cleric
Whenever this creature attacks, you and defending player each discard a card or sacrifice a permanent. You draw a card for each land card put into a graveyard this way.
Encore 
(, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
4/4
tepid lintel
Might be decent in my hellbent deck actually
My list if you see anything you're interested in: https://archidekt.com/decks/14443725
cinder pecan
https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/192/icetill-explorer
Glad i got mine when it was half the price
tepid lintel
Yeah, I should've gotten one then too
Maybe I'll just wait and see
It's such a pushed card lol
muted crown
I keep thinking about building around the face commander of this precon but I'm struggling with direction a bit
I like jund and maybe could mess around with sacing stuff and filling the yard
jade glen
I keep thinking about building around the face commander of this precon but I'm ...
hearthull?
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Creature — Insect Cleric
Whenever this creature attacks, you and defending player each discard a card or sacrifice a permanent. You draw a card for each land card put into a graveyard this way.
Encore (, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
4/4
tepid lintel
I think he sucks here
cinder pecan
One of the few new cards that did not survive my upgrade, tho it did go very long into it because I wanted to try the new card
muted crown
hearthull?
No, the uh bug guy that let's you play lands from your grave and grows stuff
jade glen
No, the uh bug guy that let's you play lands from your grave and grows stuff
Uhh it’s probably like a Azusa style deck
With lots of fetches
Actually
You can play it like
Korvold
Just with fetches
muted crown
i do plan to put in as many fetch lands as i can afford into the deck, and some extra land drops and stuff
and maybe throw in some self mill and sacing things bringing things back to get lots of counters on stuff and swing face
jade glen
I mean you can also go like a treasure route
Or aristrocrat
And just bomb peoplr with [[all will be one]]
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muted crown
i don't think treasures would work, well treasures are great but Szarel cares about sacrificing another nontoken permanent
cinder pecan
No, the uh bug guy that let's you play lands from your grave and grows stuff
You want some ways to grow their power and ways to get extra land drops
Fetches are your friend yeah
muted crown
theres a decent amount of ones that are budget that i could run 🙏
tepid lintel
The tapped fetches actually seem decent in this deck
Since the lands they get don't come in tapped
cinder pecan
Yeah, im rethinking some of my cuts lol
I might try to sneak those two cards back into the deck
tepid lintel
The deck is so tight
muted crown
i love lord windgrace a lot 🙏
tepid lintel
Yeah he's great.
Soul of windgrace is so good too, I'm reminded that it's just [[erinis, gloom]]
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tepid lintel
But with a titan trigger instread
muted crown
Erinis is great tbh, ive had them in the 99 of a few of my decks and it performs very well 🙏
tepid lintel
I used to run them as the commander of a golgari selfmill deck, but it was lacking card draw, so I swapped them with gitrog
I like them a lot though, yeah
muted crown
i might make a somewhat unrelated to this precon deck with them as one of the commanders now, i think im hooked on it 🙏
tepid lintel
Be careful with them and [[street urchin]]
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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have ", Sacrifice another creature or an artifact: This creature deals 1 damage to any target."
Your harsh upbringing on the streets of the city left you crafty, resilient, and wise beyond your years.
tepid lintel
That becomes very strong very quickly
tepid lintel
crop rot is more synergistic
Someone was posting here that they didn't like it in their deck though
jade glen
Someone was posting here that they didn't like it in their deck though
That was me
I was like
What do I even crop rot for
I don’t run Gaea cradle
I guess I can do chasm
Actually it’s better if I can rot for a bounce land to bounce boseju
Or takanuma
Also
[[gerald hourglass pendant]]
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Legendary Artifact
Flash
If a player would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
, , Exile Gerrard's Hourglass Pendant: Return to the battlefield tapped all artifact, creature, enchantment, and land cards in your graveyard that were put there from the battlefield this turn.
cinder pecan
Actually it’s better if I can rot for a bounce land to bounce boseju
I have Field of the Dead, plus a ton of fetches.
If I dont get field, being able to get 2 land sacs for 1 mana is huge
Its better than rampant growth a lot of the time
jade glen
That’s true
spare salmon
hey so I am a new average world shaper enthusiast and I am wondering if there is a list of suggested removals and additions going on somewhere... I did scroll up and check pins, but curious if we have a full on aggregated list?
cinder pecan
Nothing official
Command Zone did a video going over their 10 cards they wanted to add as well as the 10 they felt were the best cuts, and I agree with all of their cuts
spare salmon
I will have to check it out, thanks!
spare salmon
hahaha yeah fair, I was coming up with a few ideas, but I am always looking for suggestions etc so anything you think is like 100% swap this for that, do tell!
tepid lintel
I also agree with all of their cuts.
I also like their adds. [[tiller engine]] is one I missed.
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spare salmon
oh yeah I already have that and amulet of vigor sitting here ready to go in
cinder pecan
oh yeah I already have that and amulet of vigor sitting here ready to go in
Oh damn. Yeah pop off
tepid lintel
[[$tiller engine]]
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spare salmon
that price spike is INSANE btw
tepid lintel
Oh damn, true
cinder pecan
https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/20/tiller-engine
It was $15 when Command Zone reviewed it
spare salmon
I ordered like 3 of them a few years back when I was toying with cycling deck ideas and only just saw like a week ago what the price was because I wanted to get a 4th lol
cinder pecan
Jund Precon! Jund Precon! Jund Precon!
tepid lintel
Just spelunking for me please
cinder pecan
Just spelunking for me please
Plus the one in the precon
tepid lintel
Oh yeah that one too
spare salmon
do spike cannibal next cause I got mine for 50 cents lol
muted crown
https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/20/tiller-engine
why is that card so expensive?
tepid lintel
meh
muted crown
untap
is that it? cos like the card seems not that amazing to me or at least not worth that price tag
do people just really like having tapped lands enter untapped that badly or something?
spare salmon
its a landfall trigger and having lands come into play untapped is a really great thing
immediate access to that mana or ability
thats why amulet of vigor is even more expensive
muted crown
i suppose, i just don' see it aas that amazing personall but i suppose i play lowerpower games where tapped lands are not the end of the world
i thought amulet of vigor is expensive cos of its modern play
muted crown
fair i suppose, like i can see he power i just
those cards just don't do anythin for me i suppose
spare salmon
and also in waht you said, low power, yeah this kinda of thing is not the end of the world
muted crown
also on a sidenote, cos sacing lands and returning them is a thing with this precon
this is like one of my fav cards that could be funny here [[Strands of Night]]
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Enchantment
, Pay 2 life, Sacrifice a Swamp: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
When the strands call, only the dead answer.
spare salmon
but the pods I usually end up in are like "mmmm I feel like some braket 4" or "hey how about some bracket 4" or "you know guys we don't play enough bracket 4" WHICH IS ALL WE EVER DO (slightly frustrated) lol
muted crown
i have only ever played in 'bracket 4' once, and it was when brackets weren't a thing
i don't actually have any decks that are a 4 or even a 3 tbh 😔
spare salmon
and thankfully I got my tiller engines and amulet of vigor 3 years ago when they were a fraction of the price
so I have access to them and can use them
spare salmon
i have only ever played in 'bracket 4' once, and it was when brackets weren't a ...
gimme a good tribal bracket 2 game any day
creeping bloodsucker also skyrocketed holy hell
muted crown
i dislike tribal lmao 😭 idk why it just doesn't satisfy my brain making a deck that is tribal
besides like some exceptions but even then
spare salmon
not me with 3 mono green tribal decks, couldn't be >.>
muted crown
what tribes? :>
spare salmon
oozes, elves... and I am dumb because its 2 mono greens, not 3 lol... I have a cat deck and a devil deck as well
I have a mono green Kodama west tree deck and Ruxa deck, but they are not tribal
Ruxa is hilarious tbh
muted crown
ruxa? who that
spare salmon
muted crown
oh right that, the bear who went to collage
cinder pecan
thats why amulet of vigor is even more expensive
Urza’s Saga is a hell of a drug
spare salmon
man, tempest was a hell of a drug too
tepid lintel
Wooh got my deck with sld
tepid lintel
Looks like I'm replacing 30 cards this first go around
I want to try Mayhem Devil and Juri for a bit and see if sac outlets are truly warranted.
cinder pecan
I didnt find them to be enough
tepid lintel
I meant sac payoffs***
And yeah, my intuition tells me that they aren't good enough to make the cut
jade glen
i suppose, i just don' see it aas that amazing personall but i suppose i play lo...
Being a creature has a lot of value as well as you can use it to station
Mine isn just lands combo
But that’s cuz I’m a combo player so
And my group play high 3 and low b4
quasi torrent
So, I basically already had my Lord Windgrace deck running like this precon wants to since 2020-ish, so I've ended up only putting in 6 cards from all of EoE into it, and swapping to Szarel from the precon for the commander.
https://archidekt.com/decks/14274228/armageddon_game
Cuts were -
Scute Swarm
Omnath, Locus of Rage
Moraug, Fury of Akoum
Soul of Windgrace
Phylath, World Sculptor
Perennial Behemoth
The adds were -
Szarel, Genesis Shepherd
Fabled Passage
Icetill explorer
Tannuk, Memorial Ensign
Horizon Explorer
Planetary Annihilation
Feel free to question any of my choices, it's good for either affirming something I've done or realizing I was absolutely dumb to put a particular thing in. (This happened last night when I realized I put [[nexos]] in a x-spell typal deck with 4 colors and no basics, lol)
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Creature — Human Tyranid Advisor
Strategic Coordinator — Basic lands you control have ": Add . Spend this mana only on costs that contain ."
The blessed union of gun, claw, and merciless intent is a force to be truly feared.
2/2
muted crown
is planetary Annihilation counted as MLD or nah?
quasi torrent
I'd say it straddles the line
muted crown
cos ive seen some people say one thing and say another about it
quasi torrent
I like it, because it doesn't end the game for others for them to get salty about, but puts me at a major advantage because of crucible effects and extra land drops.
cinder pecan
is planetary Annihilation counted as MLD or nah?
No
It might be a notable card worth mentioning hut the odds of someone losing more than one, maybe two, lands is not high when you cast it
spare salmon
just finished my first game with the world shaper, and man what a wild ride lol
ended up casting my commander with tax, stationing it, and then sac'd all my land to zuran orb and did 34 dmg each plus an addition 17 divided how I wanted lol
and sacrificing land feels really foreign to me haha like usually I am trying to keep all my land
oh and a first turn amulet of vigor goes hard lol
tepid lintel
I should put ashaya in mine
spare salmon
somone countered my splendid rec
buddy believe me I was waiting for a counter because my opponents were all playing blue lol
also big ups to the Zuran Orb in my deck for putting in work... that thing has not seen much play since I got it from a ice age booster box as a kid
jade glen
mhm
spare salmon
Not bad for how old it is and how much I used it without a sleeve as a kid
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spare salmon
that looks so nice too
I happen to be infected with nostalgia though so I always gravitate towards the old cards... but I do want that new art now that I see it xD
tepid lintel
Old borders are great
quasi torrent
I decided to swap my beat up old ice age zuran orb with this new sld one, one of the rare times I've run a newer printing over an older one by choice.
quasi torrent
I just picked em up as singles, everything in that drop except the agressive mining
tepid lintel
I need aggressive mining to [[fractured identity]] in my eventual zedruu deck
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tepid lintel
Pog
cinder pecan
fun
tepid lintel
Y'all keeping Arcane Signet?
Right now I'm sorting through my landbase as I make it in paper
cinder pecan
Y'all keeping Arcane Signet?
It and Sol Ring didn’t survive my cuts
Tho the reason sol ring didn’t was based off me cutting it from most of my decks over the past few months anyways
tepid lintel
Yeah, I hate sol ring, and even arcane signet feels a little out of place in lands
cinder pecan
If i was not cutting sol ring from most of my decks it probably stays
Arcane signet made it probably like 15-16 cuts before hitting the block
muted crown
tbh i don't really put solring or signet into any of my decks anymore
tepid lintel
👏
tepid lintel
I don't want to go down basics, but I really need tango lands in hmm
Oh wait nvm
Did you decide to keep bramble familiar Storm?
cinder pecan
Did you decide to keep bramble familiar Storm?
currently yes, but since it hasn't come up yet Im still not sure how its gonna do (only played the deck a couple times, might keep it in, might not)
tepid lintel
Yeah I'm on the fence with it
cinder pecan
Ill let ya know how I feel about it. its definitely not bad, but idk if its for this deck, over say one of the new capenna lands
tepid lintel
Deck slots are pretty tight
jade glen
i cant cut anything else
round sigil
This is my current list
I'm thinking of adding tegrid
And crop rot
I call it gentle mld
cinder pecan
Crop Rot i recommend
round sigil
Might throw in thesp and depths
jade glen
idk abotu tergrid
round sigil
Me neither
I think my deck needs more card draw
Or maybe endurance or a shuffle titan
tepid lintel
Hmmm I don't know if I love scute swarm actually
goldfishing right now and I keep my land count pretty low tbh
[[surveyor's scope]] is looking even better though
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Artifact
, Exile this artifact: Search your library for up to X basic land cards, where X is the number of players who control at least two more lands than you. Put those cards onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
cinder pecan
Land Tax could be good
wait a minute...
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I wish
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tepid lintel
[[spiteful repossession]]
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cinder pecan
[[natural balance]] is interesting
8
tepid lintel
8
Only somewhat interesting cards with that theme other than surveyor's I could find.
[[isolated watchtower]] is not for us
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Land
: Add .
, : Scry 1, then you may reveal the top card of your library. If a basic land card is revealed this way, put it onto the battlefield tapped. Activate only if an opponent controls at least two more lands than you.
tepid lintel
I might put it in my mono U deck though
round sigil
[[natural balance]] is interesting
I love this
tepid lintel
reprocess or mass sac, then use it to search up 5 basics
Lithoform into it would be very stronk too
round sigil
Should I add back reprocess
tepid lintel
It kinda makes it more of a combo deck
cinder pecan
[[reprocess]]
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cinder pecan
I have it in mine for now while i wait for the last couple cards
tepid lintel
[[$icetill explorer]]
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tepid lintel
nuuu
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I pulled an ice till!
opaque solar
https://moxfield.com/decks/9MXzSHiExEGcfmoFNPeI0g
Need some help cutting for cards in considering. I saw this from DeckTechForDecks and wanted to put tifa and some other cards from another brew in it.
jade glen
https://moxfield.com/decks/9MXzSHiExEGcfmoFNPeI0g
Need some help cutting for car...
i do not like hammer of purph
cinder pecan
No that was my first cut
round sigil
I don't understand why they even put it in the deck
opaque solar
it does give haste but i think anger or just no haste enabling would be better
cinder pecan
I was considering Anger for mine
round sigil
I mean our commander has haste
im honestly considering [[mightform harmonizer]] to just 1 shot a person with him
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Creature — Insect Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, double the power of target creature you control until end of turn.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
4/4
opaque solar
im honestly considering [[mightform harmonizer]] to just 1 shot a person with hi...
why i wanted to brew with [[tifa lockhart]] lol
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opaque solar
i bet the two of them have great synergy
also if the board goes wide having a haste enabler would help you be immediately threatenting after a big land recursion turn
tepid lintel
I was considering Anger for mine
Haste enabling seems unnecessary to me.
Orcish Lumberjack has felt so fun in goldfishing
I think I love it
round sigil
Love him
spare salmon
Orcish Lumberjack has felt so fun in goldfishing
orcish lumberjack is a really great card, I feel like it should have been part of the original deck
tepid lintel
It feels really cool saccing your lands to dark ritual basically
spare salmon
hell yeah
tepid lintel
Makes me like surveyor's scope a lot more too
It feels even more like your lands are resources
cinder pecan
I'm low on Lord Windgrace tbh
rn I'm leaning towards Bramble Familiar and Lord Windgrace for cuts
I think lumberjack will go in instead of bramble familiar
and ill keep reprocess in instead of lord windgrace
spare salmon
that sounds decent actually
I have a list of cards I am considering trying to swap in... maybe not all teh cards, but like I can see synergies in them, so like you guys wanna give me some opinions or thoughts on said cards?
cinder pecan
tepid lintel
Post em
cinder pecan
here's all of my list; the cuts I've made to the base precon are in the Considering tab
or they were
they are not anymore lol
tepid lintel
rip
spare salmon
Considerations:
Mightform Harmonizer
Insidious Roots
Ivy Lane Denizen
Herd Baloth
Champion of Lambholt
Pull Through the Weft
Airship Crash
Life from the Loam
Greenhouse/Rickety Gazebo
Umbral Collar Zealot
Druid Class
Zendikar's Roil
Scute Swarm
Primeval Bounty
Eusocial Engineering
A Realm Reborn
some of the reasons for these in my head include using token generation to sac or for mana as I get rid of land
cinder pecan
Roots doesn't really make it since this deck isn't doing too much reanimation
spare salmon
landfall is obvious
spare salmon
Roots doesn't really make it since this deck isn't doing too much reanimation
yeah I was thinking the same thing
cinder pecan
also it doesnt want to exile its bin so there's not many ways for creatures to leave
tepid lintel
I'm kinda iffy on scute tbh
spare salmon
I'm kinda iffy on scute tbh
same same lol
tepid lintel
druid class is a little slow
cinder pecan
I'm kinda iffy on scute tbh
it did what it always does in the last game I played
I think its good here
Harmonizer I'm not high on for this deck
tepid lintel
I'm never above 6 lands, but 1/1s are never bad
cinder pecan
Life from the Loam is in my list
tepid lintel
I've only goldfished fwiw
cinder pecan
Scute Swarm is in my list
spare salmon
Harmonizer I'm not high on for this deck
taht doulbing of power for stationing was my thoughts with that
spare salmon
I've only goldfished fwiw
I have played one game and goldfished onces, so no worries lol
tepid lintel
[[a realm reborn]]
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Enchantment
Other permanents you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
"The Seventh Astral Era is come!"
cinder pecan
Primeval Bounty is a weird one where it does so much but I never feel like it fits
tepid lintel
Is this bait
cinder pecan
https://scryfall.com/card/fin/196/a-realm-reborn
you don't need this in this deck
yeah this card I've always seen as a trap
spare salmon
Primeval Bounty is a weird one where it does so much but I never feel like it fi...
lol
same
cinder pecan
Umbral Collar Zealot is a good card. but idk if its good here
tepid lintel
I don't like the expensive landfall stuff like zendikar's roil
cinder pecan
not if we lean towards land sac
spare salmon
surveil shit into the graveyard was the thoughts there
cinder pecan
surveil shit into the graveyard was the thoughts there
if it was saccing lands for that, yes
but unless you wanna make this more about Szarel, I'd say no
spare salmon
kk
tepid lintel
[[herd baloth]]
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