#(Bracket 2) Dr. Eggman - Discard Vehicles deck

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hidden egret
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This is my deck for the Dr. Eggman card from the upcoming Sonic the Hedgehog Secret Lair. The concept for the deck is to force my opponents into choosing to let me play something for free off Eggman's effect, by playing lots of low mana value creatures which force my opponents to discard. I will use Eggman's effect to put vehicles into play, and use those low mana discard creatures as the crew. The deck's playstyle is very controlling. Since I put big things into play for free, I plan to hold up most of my mana each turn cycle, to use on instants and flash creatures. I feel like I got the power level right for bracket 2, but my concern is if this deck might end up feeling frustrating to play against. I'm not trying to make anything comically evil or purposely unfun. I'd love to hear what you folks think.

https://archidekt.com/decks/14110394

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Doctor's Orders • (Grixis Commander deck) • Archidekt

Dr. Eggman - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (7) Counterspell • (9) Discard • (1) Discard Payoff • (10) Draw • (2) Finisher • (3) Grave Hate • (35) Land • (4) Protection • (1) Pump • (11) Ramp • (5) Recursion • (10) Removal • (1) Tokens

broken moss
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I figured it was an eggman deck

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Idk, the discard is optional sooo

hidden egret
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The discard for eggman's effect is optional, but I want to run other cards that force my opponents to discard, such that they can't afford to choose the discard option of eggman's effect

sand flume
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I am the Eggman, koo koo kachoo

hidden egret
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@sand flume I do like the idea of running a little more recursion. The discard creatures make good chump blockers, and their effects trigger on ETB so bringing them back is doubly useful. Its just a question of what I can afford to slot in and take out

broken moss
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So lemme get this straight - if someone has no cards in hand they can still choose to discard a card?

sand flume
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Yeah for sure. It's a tough balancing act between wanting people to discard, and the payoff of cheating out a robot.

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broken moss
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That’s kinda dumb ngl

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Like

sand flume
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(Agreed)

broken moss
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I want people to have no choice

sand flume
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Umaru is anti-choice confirmed smh

hidden egret
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Ruling wise, yeah I kinda agree. Playstyle wise, I think its a fun restriction to build around. Its part of what got me excited for this deck

broken moss
sand flume
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I really like cyberdrive awakener

hidden egret
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Also, the fact that most of these small discard creatures are rats makes me so happy, because its a flavor win. They're the little animals that Eggman is stuffing into robots

sand flume
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Wait, does he actually do that?

broken moss
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Yeah

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His whole thing is destroying wildlife so his robots can take over

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He be stuffing rats in machines

hidden egret
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Have you never played a sonic game? That's been a thing since literally sonic 1. Eggman's robots are powered by living animals. Any time sonic destroys a robot, a little rabbit or something hops out

broken moss
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Iirc he also used the animals for the robots

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Yeah

sand flume
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I've played quite a few of them, but mostly 20 years ago, and I don't remember that from Sonic X (also watched like 20 years ago)

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I do remember the little animal falling out when you defeat them now that you mention it

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I love the gearhulks here (and everywhere)

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Torrential is a little out of place, and might consider [[oildeep gearhulk]]

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sand flume
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Oh nvm you have 16 instants

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Torrential is fine then

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sand flume
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Yeah, most of the things I'd want to recur are just removal instants, which you have plenty of

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But torrential feels best when you use it at instant speed on an opponent's turn, and you don't really want to cheat it out with eggman

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Hear me out: [[lazav dimir mastermind]] is kinda an interesting payoff for discard

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hidden egret
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I can see that. If I cast it myself, then I can recur a counterspell and actually be able to use it. But its definitely still viable to use it with eggman if I just want to spot-remove a problem permanent. Its hard to say no to getting a 6 mana creature out for free lol

sand flume
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Very true

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And getting something like espers to magicite back is real good

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[[szat's will]] is another good one, but espers is cheaper and gives the artifact synergy

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sand flume
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Yeah, that's fair.

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[[lazav wearer of faces]] might also be decent

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sand flume
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I really like [[urbord scavengers]] for targeted GY hate and utilizing oppo GY

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sand flume
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That's fair. The 0/1s can't crew. I like that part for the chump blockers attached to GY hate. And the edict effect is one of the best.

hidden egret
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If I want that edict effect, I run [[Flare of malice]] instead, since I have a bunch of little black creatures

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sand flume
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Oh yeah found it, similar to Lazav, dimir mastermind: [[abyssal harvester]] is another one I really like. Used mostly in mill though.

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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/54/abyssal-harvester

Abyssal Harvester <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Demon Warlock
manat: Exile target creature card from a graveyard that was put there this turn. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a Nightmare in addition to its other types. Then exile all other Nightmare tokens you control.
"Till the soil, spare no soul. / Neath the darkness, nightmares grow." —Children's nursery rhyme
3/2

sand flume
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Can be used to copy your rats that discard after you chump with them

hidden egret
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what do you think of [[Lazav, Familiar Stranger]]? A lot of the interaction spells I run happen to be crimes.

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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/216/lazav-familiar-stranger

Lazav, Familiar Stranger <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter
Whenever you commit a crime, put a +1/+1 counter on Lazav. Then you may exile a card from a graveyard. If a creature card was exiled this way, you may have Lazav become a copy of that card until end of turn. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
1/4

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sand flume
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Familiar stranger seems good too, yeah

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I have a lazav tribal deck I've been working on, so I kinda love all of them lol

hidden egret
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Yeah, they're fun cards. Wearer of Faces is probably my personal favorite, but this deck doesn't have other ways to make clues and I don't want to add another axis to this deck

sand flume
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It kinda enables itself, but yeah, I see wanting a clue subtheme to want to run it

hidden egret
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The issue with using it to enable itself is that you're more or less forced to use the ability during that combat, since he's a 2/2 with no evasion. I'd need to copy something that lets him survive the combat. Which means spending 2 mana that I could have otherwise held up for interaction

sand flume
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Yeah

hidden egret
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Ok so, I've added a couple of these suggestions. Now I need to find 3 cards to cut

sand flume
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I wonder if you need that many counters

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7 just seems like a lot

hidden egret
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Well, counterspells are important to the strategy because aside from all the things I’d normally want to counter, it’s also super important to shut down opposing draw power, so my discard strategy keeps working

sand flume
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True

hidden egret
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Also, Muddle the Mixture and Perplex will probably be used for Transmute instead of their counterspell effects like 9 times out of 10

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I could probably cut [[Invert Polarity]]. Its a really fun card, as far as counterspells go, but its also a little more niche in its applications

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sand flume
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Agreed. it's a lot of fun

hidden egret
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I'd like to add it back in if possible, but for now my cuts are Invert Polarity, Phyrexian Arena, and [[Weeping Angel]]

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hidden egret
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I'd like to put weeping back in as well, honestly. What a cool card. I'm just not sure if it fits this deck

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Screw it, I don't want to lose the deck's personality in optimizing, epseically for a bracket 2 deck. I'll cut An Offer instead of Invert Polarity

sand flume
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Yeah I really like weeping angel after seeing it on your list

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I want to run it in my decks now lol

hidden egret
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I used to run it in a flash-tribal deck, before retiring that deck

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So its been on my radar for a while now. I've been trying to find something else to run it in

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One of the things that's nice about it in this deck is that the effect that makes it not a creature is a triggered ability that goes on the stack, so I can respond to it by tapping the angel to crew a vehicle

sand flume
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I have a mostly draw-go deck, but it's noncreature focused

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sand flume
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Also, it goes without saying,a nd it may be a little strong, but [[kefka, court mage]]?

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/231/kefka-court-mage-kefka-ruler-of-ruin

Kefka, Court Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever Kefka enters or attacks, each player discards a card. Then you draw a card for each card type among cards discarded this way.
mana8: Each opponent sacrifices a permanent of their choice. Transform Kefka. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/5

Kefka, Ruler of Ruin
Legendary Creature — Avatar Wizard
Flying
Whenever an opponent loses life during your turn, you draw that many cards.
The end draws near.
5/7

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sand flume
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The cost is a little awkward, being the same as your commander, but it's basically a [[siphon mind]] on a body, which seems good for this deck

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hidden egret
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Honestly, I think I'd rather run Syphon Mind

broken moss
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The main problem I have with Kefka, is that it feels like a card you'd run if the primary goal of your deck is forcing people to discard. The primary goal of my deck is getting big machines into play for free. Discarding is just a tool I use to do that. The primary thing I value in a discard effect for this deck is low mana cost, because I need that mana for other things

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Oh man. I just now realized [[Solemn Simulacrum]] is a golem, not a construct. So I can't play it for free with Eggman. What a waste. Guess I'll cut it, then

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hidden egret
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there are actually a lot of golem cards that I thought were constructs, which I wanted to play, like the Colossus cards

sand flume
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It's still solemn in a nongreen deck, but that's fair

hidden egret
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The mana value is to high to help me ramp into the commander a turn earlier. The reason I was running it was because I thought I could play it for free. I'd rather run rocks if I can't

hidden egret
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I decided to add in Fabricate and Deadly Dispute because they are both getting Sonic the hedgehog art in the secret lair. So now I need to find 2 more cuts