but very few
#Y'shtola Communal Brewing
soft peak
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[[generous gift]]
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Like honestly I only run farewell to call artifact or enchantment
soft peak
im thinking maybe [[Tragic Arrogance]]
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There weirdly a lot of artifact player at my local
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im thinking maybe [[Tragic Arrogance]]
I might cut farewell for it actually
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soft peak
austere command yeah
compact vine
Is good.
soft peak
I might cut farewell for it actually
definitely sounds a lot better for yshtola lol
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definitely sounds a lot better for yshtola lol
But the eyes roll I get for farewell is funny
soft peak
do you ever have to farewell with a combo piece on the board?
this makes you sac instead... sounds way better
eye roll value though true
lol
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In a “responsible farewell user”
soft peak
🧢
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Never call all mods
soft peak
thats the bar for being responsible lol
yalls graveyards are okay dont worry
it aint that bad
😂
Ah
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/56/austere-command
I like it until it fold to a flawless maneuver
soft peak
whatever you dont exile is where teferi/kitten/etc is
soft peak
wow its kinda great every part of your combo slots into Tragic Arrogance
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Wait until I cast [[time wipe]]
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lusty igloo
single combat is awful
it's the only one i dropped
of the keep all but one
the fact they get to choose which one to keep, which might be the biggest threat to you / voltron, makes it so terrible
every other keep-all-but one, either you pick the one they keep or they dont get to pick at all. or promise of loyalty they cant attack you
lusty igloo
im thinking maybe [[Tragic Arrogance]]
tragic is rly strong tho. non-creature removal not to be slept on
keeps a curiosity which is all you need
soft peak
I just came across this one [[Unstable glyphbridge]]
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Artifact
When this artifact enters, if you cast it, for each player, choose a creature with power 2 or less that player controls. Then destroy all creatures except creatures chosen this way.
Craft with artifact 
(, Exile this artifact, Exile another artifact you control or an artifact card from your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control. Craft only as a sorcery.)
Sandswirl Wanderglyph
Artifact Creature — Golem
Flying
Whenever an opponent casts a spell during their turn, they can't attack you or planeswalkers you control this turn.
Each opponent who attacked you or a planeswalker you control this turn can't cast spells.
5/3
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How you keep curiosity if creature died ?
soft peak
Kinda neat
lusty igloo
https://scryfall.com/card/lci/41/unstable-glyphbridge-sandswirl-wanderglyph
this looks better than starfall invocation
lusty igloo
How you keep curiosity if creature died ?
what
soft peak
Maybe better than time wipe @maiden widget
lusty igloo
your yshtola doesnt die. you pick yhstola and curiosity to keep
i'm too lazy but it looks better than starfall invocation since it keeps curiosity alive. or side-grade
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Time wipe is a meme
lusty igloo
the unstable glyphbridfge tihng
lusty igloo
https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/308/time-wipe
yeah that looks terrible
soft peak
i'm too lazy but it looks better than starfall invocation since it keeps curiosi...
Its better unless someone else has something crazy with low power. Like maybe vivi before he untaps or some shit
lusty igloo
worse [[starfall invocation]] and that's on cut list for me
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lusty igloo
Its better unless someone else has something crazy with low power. Like maybe vi...
yeah side-grade. i think 2% better
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Starfall is a funny politic piece
lusty igloo
i never politic with it. i give it to weakesst guy who cant stop me lol
but i need to politic better in general
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A lot of card in the deck is friends ⬇️ anyway lol (but know I’m the biggest land destruction hater)
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nothin wrong with a little land hate
Fair putting Armageddon in my deck now
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Honestly
If it 2 life then I’ll play it
Wait for each lands
Green player in shambles
vital steppe
i don't like dig thru time. i'm already short on win cons, i prolly shouldn't remove fandaniel burn potential
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I removed fandaniel bc I wanted to put him in Kuja deck lol
soft peak
Fair putting Armageddon in my deck now
[[cataclysm]]
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[[pox]] when
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Why are we turn into MLD scheming
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Is there a [[mediumpox]]
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Base on popular demand I have cut boardwipe in flavor of these
fervent burrow
oh yeah i forget fogs can also go into the boardwipe slot oftentimes
fervent burrow
f(r)ogs
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oh yeah i forget fogs can also go into the boardwipe slot oftentimes
Honestly I might turn all board wipe into fogs
fervent burrow
I dont think I'll do it with all but I could with some
sleek sonnet
Honestly I might turn all board wipe into fogs
Or stuff like [[Misleading signpost]]?
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Artifact
Flash
When this artifact enters during the declare attackers step, you may reselect which player or permanent target attacking creature is attacking. (It can't attack its controller or their permanents.)
: Add 
.
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That’s a goated mana rock
sleek sonnet
There’s also [[Ilusions gambit]]
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[[Illusionist's Gambit]]
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wide quiver
I think I still have that in my deck
Can't forget the enchantment that comes in the precon
[[observed stasis]]
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And has flash
It has to have flash lol
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https://scryfall.com/card/fic/40/observed-stasis
This one sucks
wide quiver
Nah, it's great
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Nah, it's great
I’m just turning them into frogs
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https://tenor.com/view/why-dont-we-have-both-both-celebrate-happy-gif-4997058
Space
wide quiver
Ditch a boardwipe
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Ditch a boardwipe
I already ditch 2 today
compact vine
3 board wipes is plenty
I’d much rather have options outside of just “reset the board”
sleek sonnet
[[polymorphs jest]]
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wide quiver
Oh that's interesting
elder lagoon
Love polymorphist’s jest
sleek sonnet
There’s a pretty high amount of cards that turn creatures into 1/1’s for a turn
I’m not sure how many turn them into frogs though
sleek sonnet
[[sudden spoils]]?
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sleek sonnet
I’m surprised I remembered it
There’s also the bird that makes opponents creatures have toughness 1
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Are we allowed to talked about revealed card from a new set here ?
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[[polymorphs jest]]
Voltron player when they forgot their boot
sleek sonnet
So it’s more like when the Voltron player forgot their sweater
wide quiver
The best time to wear a striped sweater... is all the time
soft peak
[[polymorphs jest]]
[[sudden spoiling]]
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soft peak
oh someone else posted it mb
wide quiver
Split Second is gooood
sleek sonnet
…hi
sleek sonnet
I used to think [[Aetherize]] was really good
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sleek sonnet
It still is, but there’s better cards
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soft peak
that frog one I think I will add to my mono blue deck
its got aetherize in it right now lol...
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[[Illusionist's Gambit]]
If I had a nickel…
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You'd be a nickel richer?
sleek sonnet
You'd be a nickel richer?
Yup!
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sleek sonnet
Yeah I think that’s it
soft peak
gotta add that as well frog synergy
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😂
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brand new undiscovered tech
sleek sonnet
I think it needs to be tested before we can determine its value
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Watch me
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you can't use y'shtola if she's phased out
Not if i [[counterspell]] my tpro
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desert sequoia
Not if i [[counterspell]] my tpro
Amateur move, just protect her with [[Guardian of Faith]]
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Amateur move, just protect her with [[Guardian of Faith]]
I choose everything but yshtola to phase out
Chad move
vital steppe
is there a way to protect y'shtola, keep her passive on field and make her respawn when the protection fades?
think a mix of sheltered by ghosts/espers to magicite
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Instant
Choose target creature. You lose 2 life. Until end of turn, that creature gains "When this creature dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control."
"Those who fail to escape Malakir become part of the city's defense." —Doros, expedition guide
Malakir Mire
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add 
.
"Getting into Malakir isn't difficult. It's getting out that's the hard part." —Doros, expedition guide
desert sequoia
There's a couple of enchantments that work like that too
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[[not dead after all]]
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is there a way to protect y'shtola, keep her passive on field and make her respa...
[[gift of immortality]]
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[[fake your own dead]]
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Instant
Until end of turn, target creature gets +2/+0 and gains "When this creature dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control and you create a Treasure token." (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
vital steppe
i'm talking about something that'd turn her into an artifact/enchantment say and keep her abilities, but return as a creature on destruction
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I don’t think I ever encountered something like that
fervent burrow
Yeah nothing comes to mind like that. No way to "encase" the creature and their abilities until they die that I know of... most effects like that often remove abilities and don't let you cheat death with it either
[[Vraska the silencer]] is the closest I can think of, but that steals enemy cards. Or maybe even [[shelob ungoilant]] which is also enemy theft
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Legendary Creature — Gorgon Assassin
Deathtouch
Whenever a nontoken creature an opponent controls dies, you may pay 
. If you do, return that card to the battlefield tapped under your control. It's a Treasure artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color," and it loses all other card types.
3/3
fervent burrow
[[Shelob ungoliant]]
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Legendary Creature — Spider Demon
Deathtouch, ward 
Other Spiders you control have deathtouch and ward .
Whenever another creature dealt damage this turn by a Spider you controlled dies, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's a Food artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life," and it loses all other card types.
8/8
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I like the when creature die return to battle field effect a lot thou
fervent burrow
[[Kaya ghostform]] let's you bank it
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[[gift of immortality]]
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It even brings itself back
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Sorcery
This spell costs less to cast for each creature on the battlefield.
Destroy all creatures.
"Remind Zurgo that the Abzan will not tolerate his marauders. If the Mardu wish to trespass, then I encourage him to face my blade himself." —Felothar, khan of the Abzan
soft peak
never seen this one b4
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I have it in my bulk
soft peak
ah
compact vine
https://scryfall.com/card/c13/47/illusionists-gambit
Holy shit that’s hilarious
soft peak
oo
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[[smothering tithe]]
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Enchantment
Whenever an opponent draws a card, that player may pay . If the player doesn't, you create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"I await your donation." —Dasha, Orzhov priest
wide quiver
Woah crazy
soft peak
[[cruel bargain]]
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fervent burrow
No
soft peak
😂
elder lagoon
I meannnnnn
wide quiver
Pass it on to the next person and double it
elder lagoon
Play that + end stone
soft peak
[[end stone]]
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[[the endstone]]
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elder lagoon
From EOE
soft peak
oh it is at end step
elder lagoon
Go to 10, and step go back to 20
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elder lagoon
Also, you can do funny life swap stuff
soft peak
[[murderous betrayal]]
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Enchantment
, Pay half your life, rounded up: Destroy target nonblack creature. It can't be regenerated.
Which hurts more: a sword in the gut or a dagger in the back?
daring oriole
i'm talking about something that'd turn her into an artifact/enchantment say and...
[[machine god effigy]] kinda?
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Artifact
You may have this artifact enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it's an artifact and it has ": Add ." (It's not a creature.)
: Add .
Gix ensured his most loyal followers were the first to taste Phyrexian perfection.
elder lagoon
[[anguished unmaking]]
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Oh yes thank you
wide quiver
Got my hands on a [[caretaker's talent]], so I might try to make this a token deck
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more tokens you control enter, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, create a token that's a copy of target token you control.
: Level 3
Creature tokens you control get +2/+2.
soft peak
Got my hands on a [[caretaker's talent]], so I might try to make this a token de...
[[Monastery Mentor]]
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daring oriole
[[G'raha Tia, Scion Reborn]]
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The precon should have graha to be the face honestly
But they know their audience
compact vine
Got my hands on a [[caretaker's talent]], so I might try to make this a token de...
Imagine copying Caretaker’s Talent first, and then using the level 2 to make a copy of that copy, and-
wide quiver
Yep!
compact vine
…Shit I might throw that in my Job Select deck
wide quiver
There area few ways to do that I think
compact vine
Or in my Nahiri deck
(My Nahiri deck is also a token deck)
[[copy enchantment]] is the first one that comes to mind
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If we were Bant [[doppelganger]] lol
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I’m making a B1 deck with [[wandering minstrel]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Bard
Lands you control enter untapped.
The Minstrel's Ballad — At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control five or more Towns, create a 2/2 Elemental creature token that's all colors.
: Other creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of Towns you control.
1/3
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And all the Ff14 job select cards
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[[ondu spiritdancer]]
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[[extravagant replication]]
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[[court of vantress]] is cool too
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And [[mondrak]] to top it off? 😛
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If one or more tokens would be created under your control, twice that many of those tokens are created instead.
, Sacrifice two other artifacts and/or creatures: Put an indestructible counter on Mondrak. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
4/4
compact vine
Just have shit get really out of hand haha
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👀 now I’m actually interested in making FF14 lore accurate deck to play in lower bracket
compact vine
👀 now I’m actually interested in making FF14 lore accurate deck to play in low...
I did an [[Azlask]] job select deck, where Azlask is going to be proxied to be Elidibus, summoning all the alternate warriors of light. It’s bracket 2.
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Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
Whenever Azlask or another colorless creature you control dies, you get an experience counter.
: Creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of experience counters you have. Scions and Spawns you control gain indestructible and annihilator 1 until end of turn.
2/2
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https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/5/azlask-the-swelling-scourge
Lol I’m just gonna use yoshi p bc I’m poor and don’t want to buy good lands
compact vine
Fair 😛
I already built Yoshi P as a Chocobo deck, so I wanted something else for myself
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[[invasion of segovia]]
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Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When this Siege enters, create two 1/1 blue Kraken creature tokens with trample.
Defense: 4
Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Noncreature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your end step, untap up to four target creatures.
3/3
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Where are there fieldspell in my mtg
lusty igloo
[[an offer you can't refuse]] strangely good ramp
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Instant
Counter target noncreature spell. Its controller creates two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"I think you'll find my terms quite agreeable, if you know what's good for you."
lusty igloo
just used it to counter my submerge to get mana + tokens to sacrifice for beseech the mirror
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Actually I’m usually [[path to exile]]
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To ramp
lusty igloo
are u guys winning more than half your games? this doesnt feel moral
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are u guys winning more than half your games? this doesnt feel moral
Most of my win because people get bored and scoop
Real wincon
But yes this deck have like 70% for me
umbral ruin
Yeah the card is kinda nuts
lusty igloo
Most of my win because people get bored and scoop
think that's not a good thing
we should be ending games as fast as we can i think
cuz we're already the fun police that stops people from doing their thing
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we should be ending games as fast as we can i think
🙃 my deck have no real game ender
Since I cut Fandaniel
lusty igloo
[[fandaniel]]
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lusty igloo
do they play lifegain decks or something?
how are they surviving yshtola with clones/delney drain
lusty igloo
idk i need to get more reps in
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Not every game I draw all the part
lusty igloo
we have similar decks i feel like we kill them early
It's hard since i only play a few yhstola games (only in high 3 pods)
lusty igloo
another day another wizard officials mute
lusty igloo
it's coming soon
lusty igloo
those people r terrible at the game ngl. they said atraxa poison was too strong for b3 
in the big 2025
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Well some commander shouldn’t be in B3 ngl
YURIKo
Atraxa….
Blue Urza
Except for Jodah
He can be any bracket
lusty igloo
Atraxa….
grand unifier?
because praetor's voice is completely fine
y'shtola is far stronger
lusty igloo
Except for Jodah
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because praetor's voice is completely fine
Uhhhh I disagree
desert sequoia
Depends on what you do with Praetor's voice. It's a strong card, but it's very flexible so you don't have to Phyresis Proliferate everyone into oblivion
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[[hope tutelage]]
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soft peak
Should we run this ?
[[!protection racket]]
I like this one a lil better
if it will load
[[protection racket]]
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soft peak
Actually that one probs sucks for you since youre combo focused nvm
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Actually that one probs sucks for you since youre combo focused nvm
Yeah I did consider it til I concluded it sucks
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How about [[stock up]] ?
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soft peak
Ive heard great things about it
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In pokemon they would kill for this effect
daring oriole
Thoughts on [[nowhere to run]]
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Do you guy play [[hullbreaker horror]] ?
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fervent burrow
Not always, not as good in this deck as others, but it turns everything into a coutnerspell which isnt really winmore
It just secures the board state if you can reliably cast spells
marsh solar
Hey y’all, not trying to hijack anyone… but I was hoping to hijack a couple of you to get some opinions on a deck I just finished. 😂
Kilo Superfriends
https://discord.com/channels/675113113934364683/1395408604982677595
just when you have time, no rush. I appreciate ya
soft peak
Thoughts on [[nowhere to run]]
Ive played it in some other decks
i think a bit meta dependent
in ysh unless you're playing really hard control I don't think it's good
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Thoughts on [[nowhere to run]]
Well yeah unless you really scared of that one voltron or valgavoth
soft peak
Well yeah unless you really scared of that one voltron or valgavoth
I think [[glaring spotlight]] is probs better even so
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Artifact
Creatures your opponents control with hexproof can be the targets of spells and abilities you control as though they didn't have hexproof.
, Sacrifice this artifact: Creatures you control gain hexproof until end of turn and can't be blocked this turn.
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I think [[glaring spotlight]] is probs better even so
Get rid of ward thou
soft peak
Tru
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[[dovescape]]
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Enchantment
(
can be paid with either or .)
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, counter that spell. That player creates X 1/1 white and blue Bird creature tokens with flying, where X is the spell's mana value.
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I’m highly tempted to play this
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Even thoughts 7 mana
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What if [[back to basic]]
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lusty igloo
https://scryfall.com/card/uma/46/back-to-basics
banned
lusty igloo
https://scryfall.com/card/dis/143/dovescape
it counters your own spell......
soft peak
What if [[back to basic]]
Id prefer [[trinisphere]] for yshtola
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Artifact
As long as this artifact is untapped, each spell that would cost less than three mana to cast costs three mana to cast. (Additional mana in the cost may be paid with any color of mana or colorless mana. For example, a spell that would cost to cast costs to cast instead.)
soft peak
well depends how much cost reduction you run
and free spells
like dismember, snuff out, etc
could end up hurting yourself a lot too
kinda have to build with it in mind if youre gonna run it ngl
lusty igloo
yeah im on every free spell i can be so i cant run that
soft peak
my first yshtola draft ran it and very few free spells
it was funny but the aggro you take playing it
LMAO
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If I run that I rather run grand aubi
lusty igloo
here's mine @grim acorn https://moxfield.com/decks/0M7zQR70fkazl12Te6bQLQ/
it's high budget tho
mine is supposed to be hard control, with lots of boardwipes that kills all except yshtola. it leans heavily into having one of the 4 curiosity effects: curiostiy, Ophidian Eye, Tandem Lookout, and Helm of the Ghastlord
i usually recommend most b3 players to be on all 4
grim acorn
Hmm do you think curiosity effects are the best way to get card draw
soft peak
they are absolutely busted with yshtola
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Yall im turning evil
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What about like phyrexian arena or necropotence
All the curiosity effect draw you too much
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Or rhystic study xD
Rystic study and mystic remora is aquire taste
soft peak
I used to run esper sentinel but too strong for my bracket
there are some other strong creature draw engines u can run like
ledger shredder, talion
both beasts
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Like how fast you want to be come archenemy
grim acorn
So for b3 would running rhystic study and mystic remora be too strong
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So for b3 would running rhystic study and mystic remora be too strong
I mean yesn’t
soft peak
rhystic is the super staple
grim acorn
I mean yesn’t
So confused
grim acorn
Ohh ok thats fineee. I was thinking of running 2 gamechangers - rhystic and narset
Too much?
grim acorn
I wanna run her with days undoing
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Consider tithe ?
grim acorn
And other wheel effects
lusty igloo
Hmm do you think curiosity effects are the best way to get card draw
they draw you 3 cards with each spell. if you run free spells you can like 9 spells in a cycle. it's more effective than rhystic sutdy in b3
lusty igloo
So for b3 would running rhystic study and mystic remora be too strong
imo you have enough card draw. i dont even run rhystic. i run smothering cuz i need more mana
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Run Bolas cidetal
lusty igloo
yeah bolas citadel + top is a game-ending combo
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This post make by storm enjoyer
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[[misleading signpost]]
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Artifact
Flash
When this artifact enters during the declare attackers step, you may reselect which player or permanent target attacking creature is attacking. (It can't attack its controller or their permanents.)
: Add .
lusty igloo
[[ days undoing]]
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grim acorn
nope. but are you aiming for low, mid or high 3?
High b3
lusty igloo
post your decklist again
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Narset Tithe and Rhystic are the ones I wanna ><
Hear me out
[[Teferi protection]]
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Found this card in a bulk box
soft peak
I assume youre running wheels with narset?
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Super good
grim acorn
I assume youre running wheels with narset?
Yeah is that ok.
soft peak
I think so
grim acorn
Also is counterbalance plus divining top ok?
grim acorn
So basically as long as I dont run like stax im ok ><
soft peak
u can run stax
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Ok hear me out again
soft peak
So basically as long as I dont run like stax im ok ><
also narset + wheels is basically stax
lusty igloo
u can run stax, but ur list is hard stax
soft peak
u could run notion thief as well
grim acorn
Ok how do I make my list unhard stax
lusty igloo
with hard stax like the whole point of the deck is stax, people dont like it when you take 20 turns to win when they cant do anything
if you can win fast then you're good to go
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[[arbiter Agustin]]
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[[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
White spells you cast cost less to cast.
Blue spells you cast cost less to cast.
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
The Arbiter is a conduit of justice, a will so disciplined that it dispenses justice without ego or remorse.
2/3
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Fun card table will love you
grim acorn
I did have him on my list but I was trying not to be as restrictive of others xD
soft peak
I mean I dont think this is hard stax
grim acorn
So i took it off
grim acorn
Also took off drannith magistrate
soft peak
its medium stax lets say
lusty igloo
drannith magistrate is an eyebrow raiser
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Nah this deck need to slow other down or yoy will died
wide quiver
[[blind obedience]] [[authority of the consuls]] 👍
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Enchantment
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay 
. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
Artifacts and creatures your opponents control enter tapped.
"By the time your knees have worn through your robe, you may have begun to learn your place."
grim acorn
So remove rule of law effects and ill be ok?
soft peak
nono
that fine
when i think hard stax its like they legit cant play the game
and i dont think ur there
wide quiver
Rule of law is fine, yeah
grim acorn
Okay so my list is ok for b3?
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Slow the game down is not stax in my opinion
wide quiver
Yeah, it's probably fine for B3
soft peak
Slow the game down is not stax in my opinion
semantics I guess
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Don’t run like [[winter orb]]
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
I like stax, depending on the effect
lusty igloo
Don’t run like [[winter orb]]
that's literally banned in b3
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[[gatekeeper thrull]]
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lusty igloo
tbh the stax you have seems more geared toward higher power
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[[torpor orb]]
surreal shoalBOT
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Here my fav stax
soft peak
I like stax, depending on the effect
I have a liesa life tax/group slug deck, causes so many wacky games lmao
grim acorn
tbh the stax you have seems more geared toward higher power
Like most of the effects will miss?
lusty igloo
you dont seem to have a lot of stax to stop.... the most obvious threat in lower power which is creatures just targeting you
wide quiver
Liesa is sweet, and I wouldn't call stax
grim acorn
Ohh any recs for more ghostly prison effects?
soft peak
it is when they get down to 1 life and lose 2 for playing a spell and for playing any lands LOL
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Ohh any recs for more ghostly prison effects?
Propaganda
wide quiver
[[propaganda]] and [[norn's annex]]
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Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you.
"The cost of your opposition will be extracted from your wits." —Nekusar, the Mindrazer
Artifact
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
grim acorn
I have that and ghostly prison. Ill add norns annex
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[[solitary confinement]]
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soft peak
if youre not winning with burn I dont think norns is worth it tbh
ivory crag
If you're running enough enchantments there's always [[sphere of safety]]
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Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays 
for each of those creatures, where X is the number of enchantments you control.
The Rakdos believe that all are eager to join their revels, even when told otherwise.
ivory crag
protects planeswalkers too
soft peak
combo idk
wide quiver
Combo to burn
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How else would you win with a burn commander
Thassa
lusty igloo
add multiple curiosity effects
wide quiver
Unless you mean like cedh thassa combo
In which case, none of what we discuss really applies to you tbh
wide quiver
I guess, in which case Yshtola's ability is just to keep you alive for a while and draw cards
and not end the game, which is fair
ivory crag
Got a [[basilisk collar]] for her? Gain 6 life every time
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has deathtouch and lifelink. (Any amount of damage it deals to a creature is enough to destroy it. Damage dealt by this creature also causes you to gain that much life.)
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
lusty igloo
ehhhh it ok
soft peak
what about [[spirit loop]] instead of collar
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
There are a lot of great lifesteal enablers that also trigger her as well
grim acorn
Is y'shtola burn enough of a win con? What else is a good win con to run
wide quiver
I just run burn and control to enable me to continue to burn
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I rather do [[dancer’s chakram]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Job select (When this Equipment enters, create a 1/1 colorless Hero creature token, then attach this to it.)
Equipped creature gets +2/+2, has lifelink and "Other commanders you control get +2/+2 and have lifelink," and is a Performer in addition to its other types.
Krishna — Equip
lusty igloo
i run clones and delneys and usually that's more than enough for me
soft peak
I rather do [[dancer’s chakram]]
is it actually good? feels expensive
lusty igloo
i personally dont think so
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is it actually good? feels expensive
No but I like the idea to have another body to block
lusty igloo
the 3 mana one is playable but i wouldnt run it either
wide quiver
[[steel of the godhead]]
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lusty igloo
yeah that one
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And you can move it to someone else
wide quiver
Real good
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If you move the chakram to [[papalymo]]
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Legendary Creature — Dwarf Wizard
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Papalymo Totolymo deals 1 damage to each opponent and you gain 1 life.
, , Sacrifice Papalymo Totolymo: Each opponent who lost life this turn sacrifices a creature with the greatest power among creatures they control.
1/2
wide quiver
Paplymo is just a house in general tbh
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You have an ok enegjne
wide quiver
But I run steel and chakrams for lifesteal personally
grim acorn
So the wincon is just burn
wide quiver
Mine is, yeah
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Yeah or like mention thassa or lab man
wide quiver
With control to not die
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But control and burn
Is the what most b3 do
Papalymo is so good against Voltron player
wide quiver
It being a targeted edict is so good
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You can also use it early with curiosity
soft peak
I usually pref putting curio etc on papalymo tbh
cus it turns yshtola into removal magnet
lusty igloo
So the wincon is just burn
i recommend the clone effects [[delney]] and [[Irenicus's Vile Duplication]] and [[quantumn misalignment]] to make burn go faster
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I usually pref putting curio etc on papalymo tbh
Papalymo did a board wipe with sigil of sleep because all the cheap mana rock
People was impressed
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It's so oppressive
It’s not honestly
The act it’s only creature
And turn yshtola into removal magnet
wide quiver
It's oppressive in the same way as toxrill
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It’s better on papalymo
wide quiver
If you can't remove this creature, then you don't get any creatures on the battlefield
And that's oppressive
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If you can't remove this creature, then you don't get any creatures on the battl...
Better bring your boot
[[sigil of sleep]]
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wide quiver
The fact that it flops to some forms of protection doesn't really change anything
All cards for me, no cards for thee
wide quiver
The royal thee
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I’m redoing my the deck now
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Thank you for whoever introduced me to misleading signpost
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new theme?
No
lusty igloo
kk
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Just picked up a bunch of card
lusty igloo
i heard artifact storm was legit
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So reconfiguring
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I hate the limit 3 GC
wide quiver
Then don't limit them?
lusty igloo
play b4
wide quiver
You can't really have your cake and eat it too
soft peak
I mean I feel like this more oppressive
yeah i run neither lol
they are both too cracked
lusty igloo
i think it's y'shtolas preferred bracket
im not convinced she's going to be a cEDH staple tbh
soft peak
[[!regal caracal]]
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wide quiver
It is. I've banned it.
soft peak
opop
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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/579/regal-caracal
If it’s less than 5 mana honestly I would consider it for the meme
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@soft peak @lusty igloo @wide quiver I’m keeping 5 which one ?
lusty igloo
i hate single combat but i guess it's fine
i'd rather run tragic arrogance or that one artifact that was brought up this week
id drop cyclonic since it's a GC and we have better ones
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But Hope
lusty igloo
an overloaded cyclonic doesnt clear the pathway for a game-ender like in other decks. usually we only have a few creatures to swing
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But deluge kinda clunky no ?
soft peak
for the cmc and versitility its so good
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But pay 3 kinda weird
soft peak
hits a lot of good stuff still
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True
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If I pay like 1 life for pain land then deluge is goated
grim acorn
Has anyone had success making a b3 Yshtola tokens deck
Seems kinda like antisynergy with her text but it is B3 afterall
I am thinking like a bunch of token generators and anthem effects
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more tokens you control enter, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, create a token that's a copy of target token you control.
: Level 3
Creature tokens you control get +2/+2.
compact vine
I’mma need two copies of that >_>
wide quiver
It's a banger
compact vine
One for Nahiri, one for Job Select
wide quiver
I was wanting to do a token deck to get better use out of [[hildibrand manderville]] because I love him so much
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Legendary Creature — Human Detective
Creature tokens you control get +1/+1.
When Hildibrand Manderville dies, you may cast it from your graveyard as an Adventure until the end of your next turn.
2/2
Gentleman's Rise
Instant — Adventure
Create a 2/2 black Zombie creature token. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)
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You can trigger caretaker's every turn with stuff like [[ophiomancer]]
surreal shoalBOT
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And [[faerie artisans]]
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grim acorn
I really wanna play bitterblossom hehe
compact vine
I love Hildebrand 😛
I feel like Stoneforge Mystic should’ve had an alt art on the bonus sheet, and been Godbert Manderville.
wide quiver
Bitterblossom would be great too
compact vine
Part of me still wants to build that fairy token deck 😦
But I have so many token decks already
grim acorn
Yaaa at least b3 lets me play all my otherwise not viable cards
Like vendillion clique
weak silo
Has anyone messed around with [[Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch]]
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Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant spell from your hand, it gains rebound. (Exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast it from exile without paying its mana cost.)
When Ojer Pakpatiq dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control with three time counters on it.
4/3
Temple of Cyclical Time
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch.)
: Add . Remove a time counter from this land.
, : Transform this land. Activate only if it has no time counters on it and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec time. Ojer Pakpatiq gave them the tools to learn its lessons.
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Has anyone had success making a b3 Yshtola tokens deck
If you play card that negate legend rules
You can make billions of cat girls
wide quiver
Yeah I run it
green vigil
Money most definitely equals power. Go to any cedh tournament of high caliber and you will rarely see a sub 1000 dollar deck making top 8.
Sorry I just got back on discord after a bit and it took me there. Lol but on that note. A card that is accessible to everyone every single set imo shouldn't be a "game changer" due to the nature that quite literally everyone runs it.
green vigil
If you play card that negate legend rules
Or run all the cards that make non legendary versions. Use ways to search for them. Then run all the create a copy effects that all trigger yshtola anyways 😄
desert sequoia
Money most definitely equals power. Go to any cedh tournament of high caliber an...
Correlation =/= Causation. Why is Sol Ring 1 buckaroo? Because it's printed in every structure deck. The only reason it's not on the reserved list in the first place is because it was printed at a low rarity.
green vigil
Your right it doesn't. But s card thats reprinted every 3 months shouldn't be a "game changer" when legit everyone should own one. Just buy the cheapest precon and you'll get one. Its not as powerful as other game changers under 10 dollars and its not as pricey as the game changers over 10 dollars that not everybody will own.
Accessibility should go into thought for game changers imo.
desert sequoia
Your right it doesn't. But s card thats reprinted every 3 months shouldn't be a ...
I think you're looking at it wrong. It should be a game changer, it shouldn't be in every precon. That's the argument I'm making.
soft peak
The conclusion I've come to is wotc likes the variance sol ring creates
it lets every deck have the odd game they will pop off early from a sol ring start
objectively it should be a gc and the availability of sol ring/price of other gcs is a problem they mostly have full control of
wide quiver
It's a horrible play pattern
daring oriole
Can someone help me run over my deck? kinda wondering what last 4 cards i should cut
fervent burrow
For me, it'd be Lethal Scheme (Will you have enough creatures to convoke, and do you need 4 mana removal if not?), Second Sun (I just don't care for it), Syphon Mind (I don't care for it), and maybe Alisaie Leveilleur. But that's just me
compact vine
I can’t bring myself to cut either of the twins
It was hard enough to cut Thancred and Urianger XD
wide quiver
The twins are in my bumbleflower deck
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https://archidekt.com/decks/14455731/yshtola 
prolly the final draft of the deck for now
hidden knot
I've brewed Y'shtola with the intent to be bracket 3 (though it's easy to slide higher...). I've cut a lot of creatures (and may cut more!), and focused much more on card draw and control, than mine used to be. https://moxfield.com/decks/bij3ZA79I0WmElrVxdnDZQ
hidden knot
Can someone help me run over my deck? kinda wondering what last 4 cards i should...
It's a matter of my personal taste, but: (1) I don't think Reaper Scythe is my favorite, because you're probably not looking to win by combat; (2) Lyse Hext is great, but I think Stormscape Familiar might fill that niche more efficiently; (3) Deny the Witch is really cool, but will you have that many creatures? Another counter might be more efficient and have a cooler effect (or maybe you have more counters than you need? Depends on your meta); (4) Alisaie hasn't been as good for me as I want. Oh wait, you have stormscape. So maybe a different creature entirely - one that punishes folks, OR Dark Confidant, so will basically be card draw.
elder lagoon
Man the y’shtola thread getting heated
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My thing with allisea is that
elder lagoon
As long as y’all keep it respectful
desert sequoia
Huh?
soft peak
cast 2 spells on opponents turn ez
desert sequoia
Holding 6-8 mana passing is fun
Never let them know when the Cycrift is happening 😂
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Never let them know when the Cycrift is happening 😂
So true bestie
hidden knot
I rarely cast 2nd spell on my turn
Yeah same. That's a decent point.
hidden knot
I don't use Cyc Rift (though maybe I should). The three game-changers I've allowed myself are Bolas's Citadel (GOES WILD IN YSH), Fierce Guardianship, and Teferi's Protection
lusty igloo
Why are you not on curiosities @hidden knot
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hidden knot
Curiosities?
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[[curiostity]]
surreal shoalBOT
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[[tandem lookout]]
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hidden knot
OHHH Curiosity
wide quiver
There are a few effects that do that
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[[Ophidian eye]]
surreal shoalBOT
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[[helm of the ghastlord]]
surreal shoalBOT
wide quiver
I think that's it?
hidden knot
Oh for sure! So with card draw I go a different direction. I go the direction of Twilight Prophet and Dark Confidant and Dark Tutelage.
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With yshtola you draw 3 for each trigger
hidden knot
For sure, and that's amazing.
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Like the value is insane
hidden knot
Yeah!
surreal shoalBOT
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I’m in my villain arc
desert sequoia
Oh for sure! So with card draw I go a different direction. I go the direction of...
[[Keen Wizard]] as an option, maybe?
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
Uh..
hidden knot
Sigil of Sleep I have because it's amazing. I guess I don't do Curiosity and Ophidian Eye because they draw even more attention to my commander that people already hate LOL.
I tried to make other things do card draw.
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Don’t put everything on your commander
elder lagoon
[[keen duelist]]
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
[[Keen Duelist]]
hidden knot
But you're right! I have a cute Curiosity (the one with the merfolk) that I could throw in there.
surreal shoalBOT
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At once
elder lagoon
Heh, gottem
desert sequoia
😂
desert sequoia
This card is fun politics
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hidden knot
Oh I've had that matchup before
hidden knot
[[Keen Duelist]]
I don't like that the opponent gets their card too 😂
desert sequoia
I don't like that the opponent gets their card too 😂
Yeah but you're Y'shtola so odds are you're pinging them for 3 or 4
Since most of your deck is 3+ cmc
Because they lose your CMC
And you lose theirs
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I finally convince to pick up [[talion, the kindly lord]]
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
https://scryfall.com/card/woe/215/talion-the-kindly-lord
This card is 🅱️razy
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Nah pretty mid
elder lagoon
Talion’s cool
hidden knot
Yeah but you're Y'shtola so odds are you're pinging them for 3 or 4
Yeah I just hate giving people cards LOL
hidden knot
https://scryfall.com/card/woe/215/talion-the-kindly-lord
Personally I really like Talion, but you have to pick carefully
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Talion’s cool
What number you usually call for this ?
desert sequoia
Nah pretty mid
Talion was CEDH playable when I started Magic lol
2
Depends on the table tho
wide quiver
I just added talion too
hidden knot
Depends on the table tho
Yep
desert sequoia
If you're up against a table with a bunch of artifact goons like [[Meria, Scholar]] you could even call 1 or 0 lol
hidden knot
I SOMETIMES pick 3
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Legendary Creature — Elf Artificer
Tap an untapped nontoken artifact you control: Add .
Tap two untapped nontoken artifacts you control: Exile the top card of your library. You may play it this turn.
"Why fear artifice? Is it not also of this world?"
3/3
elder lagoon
What number you usually call for this ?
Depends on power level and the decks
hidden knot
It kind of depends on the table, exactly
elder lagoon
Usually it’s 2
wide quiver
I call 10
elder lagoon
But if it’s lower power or a couple of big mana decks I’ll pick 3 or even 4
4 power/toughness seems to be the sweet spot
hidden knot
Does anyone else play [[Tree of Perdition]]
elder lagoon
Also, if you’re not playing cedh, just play clones as well
Then you can pick aaaalll the numbers
desert sequoia
Vile Dupe on Y'sthola is genuinely hilarious
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I wish I can rite of replication it
desert sequoia
Because ...
elder lagoon
Legendary
desert sequoia
Yeah, that
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Vile Dupe on Y'sthola is genuinely hilarious
That one time I have 5 yshtola on board
So funny
hidden knot
Vile Dupe on Y'sthola is genuinely hilarious
[[Quantum Misalignment]] tho!!
surreal shoalBOT
desert sequoia
We're also in blue so Sakashima is a legit option
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Funny thing in precon they give you a rite of repication
desert sequoia
[[Quantum Misalignment]] tho!!
[[VILE DUPLICATION]]
surreal shoalBOT
hidden knot
Does anyone else play [[Tree of Perdition]]
Oh whoops, [[Tree of Perdition]]
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Creature — Plant
Defender
: Exchange target opponent's life total with this creature's toughness.
There will be no absolution.
0/13
wide quiver
With like 4 nonlegendary creatues too lol
desert sequoia
It's the same card but better lol
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[[VILE DUPLICATION]]
I run both
hidden knot
[[VILE DUPLICATION]]
But Rebound!
wide quiver
It's the same card but better lol
Debatable
hidden knot
Rebound is 🌟
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Flying sometime save you a game
hidden knot
I play a lot of creature hate in my Y'shtola, not sure how everyone feels about [[No Mercy]], [[Crawlspace]], [[Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite]], and [[Norn's Annex]]
surreal shoalBOT
Artifact
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
wide quiver
Too bad duplication isn't instant so it can't be rebounded with [[pakpatiq]]
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Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant spell from your hand, it gains rebound. (Exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast it from exile without paying its mana cost.)
When Ojer Pakpatiq dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control with three time counters on it.
4/3
Temple of Cyclical Time
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch.)
: Add . Remove a time counter from this land.
, : Transform this land. Activate only if it has no time counters on it and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec time. Ojer Pakpatiq gave them the tools to learn its lessons.
surreal shoalBOT
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Pair with with curiosity effect or necropotence
desert sequoia
Rhystic also helps lol
wide quiver
True
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But I have it
wide quiver
This is a rhystic hating chat
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😤
desert sequoia
So play Rhystic Buddy or Rhystic Froggy or Rhystic Fish
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I got a Rystic study for a super good deal yesterday so I must play it
desert sequoia
I gotta tune my Br3 meme Y'shtola
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I gotta tune my Br3 meme Y'shtola
Make a cat tribal with yshtola
desert sequoia
Make a cat tribal with yshtola
Nah, the meme deck is a "haha this is a standard deck" starring Abuelo's Awakening and Omniscience
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Nah, the meme deck is a "haha this is a standard deck" starring Abuelo's Awakeni...
Isn’t it get are banned
desert sequoia
Ya, it was the second best archetype behind Monstrous Rage
daring oriole
It's a matter of my personal taste, but: (1) I don't think Reaper Scythe is my f...
I was thinking deny the witch is to hopefully proc 2 extra damage to trigger the card draw
And I figure with 3 flying creatures, a stacked reaper's scythe would naturally get big
I also slightly thinking I'm just greeding on discount cost creatures for spells
compact vine
https://scryfall.com/card/shm/166/helm-of-the-ghastlord
I’m still trying to find one of these
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Yeah I have to use eBay for it lol
desert sequoia
Modded my deck and got to play a game before bed.
Swapped a lot of cards out and the replacements all felt good. Having a wincon beyond reanimating Omniscience was really necessary, so I'm glad I packed that in.
fervent burrow
https://moxfield.com/decks/silPEyqbIEW6qvlOHxcZeQ
weak silo
https://archidekt.com/decks/13690395/the_price_of_seeing
Going to try this for now. Decided to go more into spellslinger value than drain to try have more cards that can utilise the choices already made for Y'shtola synergies.
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Evish norn is a tempting pick up
robust rapids
When picking mana rocks do you guys prioritize 2 CMC in order to try and cast Y'sh turn 3 or 3 CMC rocks that will trigger her ability?
fervent burrow
I've got the 3 talismans but thats also for life loss strategy. ALSO getting Yhstola out early can be dangerous/lost returns if you don't have protection for her as well, because she can get quite atrocious quickly
weak silo
Doesn't feel necessary to try get her out on turn 3 from my experience, as Larcondos said she can be pretty kill on sight if people know what you're up to
weak silo
How have you all been finding alisaie and alphanuad?
Took a while for me to come around to them. Alisaie is fantastic so I'm mainly running the package for her.
robust rapids
Do you think it would be worth ditching alphanaud to run just alisaie?
weak silo
If you want to do that there's a new card revealed from EoE that has the alisaie cost reduction effect but a better stat line
I like having the option for my 5 mana play being Alisaie + Alphanaud though
sacred galleon
Finally managed to convince my friends to let me play her since one of them hadn’t seen the deck before and got told to switch off of it after the table conceded all at once or said friend that hadn’t seen the deck before threatened to play his planeswalker control lockout deck at me.
I may have controlled a bit too hard y’all. 
On the upshot, got some more valuable data, and am being possibly more convinced that running [[phyresis]] might be a mercy to the table
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lusty igloo
On the upshot, got some more valuable data, and am being possibly more convinced...
I don't think it worth it
Are you doing artifact storm
Or just control
sacred galleon
A bit more enchantment based stuff than most lists I’ve seen but for the most part it’s draw go control
The message I replied to is the pin with my deck list link
sacred galleon
I don't think it worth it
I’m on the fence, on the one hand there’s no better way to become a removal magnet than infect, but tbh every game I’ve played has always turned into 3v1 archenemy ending with concessions rather than proper losses bc no one wants to sit through esper grind out control
But on the other hand, it offers a quicker out to enemies
I don’t think the deck has a problem getting to the finish line but it offers a quicker win con which may be a better experience to lose to rather than I play 20 spells to grind out their life total while I pin them down with counterspells and protection
lusty igloo
What's your list? Are you on delneys and clones? @sacred galleon
But yeah she's strong
Planeswalker might be a hard matchup tbh at least for me with so many creature boardwieps and few way to deal with planeswalkers
I don't have problems killing fast since I run clones and delneys. Bolas+top usually kills on the spot too
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What's your list? Are you on delneys and clones? <@143094549756116992>
Yeah Delney was part of the reason for the concede
I had curiosity + delney going
lusty igloo
I think you should be on all 4 curiosities
Those and solitary confinement are brutal for most to deal with
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And I responded to a board wipe by [[timely ward]] ing her
surreal shoalBOT
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See the thing is I’m not sure I want to lean further into lockout
lusty igloo
Show no mercy
sacred galleon
I feel like the table experience gets even more miserable
lol I’m good I’d rather not piss off my dnd dm 🤣
lusty igloo
Lmfaooo alright
I can't bring myself to weaken my favorite decks when I know they can be better
I'll weaken decks I don't care about. But I love my Yshtola and want her to be at her best
Also no gamechangers?
On purpose right
sacred galleon
I ran [[joshua]] next game after I got told to switch and holy wow [[alhammaret’s archive]] went crazy hard and made me want to consider running it
lusty igloo
We're still playing b3 pods tho rite. This isn't a precon table we bringing her into?
sacred galleon
Oh god no
I would never subject someone to that
Yeah no I just build 0GCs as a personal rule unless I’m playing monocolor
lusty igloo
I wouldn't run that, I had it and removed it. The problem is it does literally nothing when your engines aren't running. A bit win more for 5mana
I also had the tefferis one and removed it
sacred galleon
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
lusty igloo
Tefferis ageless insight
Probably a little better cuz one mana cheaper and we aren't gaining that much life
sacred galleon
Ah yeah I’ve found you only need a few synergy pieces and the cheaper the better so you can chain them with another spell immediately or hold up interaction to wait for the inevitable removal
lusty igloo
Yup
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Probably a little better cuz one mana cheaper and we aren't gaining that much li...
Tbf I lean into life gain personally
I run lifelink effects
sacred galleon
Since the deck produces so few blockers, I often get ran over with lots of board decks so I need the healing
lusty igloo
I run like 5 or 6 boardwieps that leave yshtola alive
Which reminds me you gotta take out that board wipes that bounces yshtola
sacred galleon
I like pillowfort
I mean I have propaganda and ghostly prison so I do a bit of that
lusty igloo
It kills curiosity. There are like seven other choices that don't
I also have norns annex and solitary
Solitary puts in the most work
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Which reminds me you gotta take out that board wipes that bounces yshtola
Yeah I was gonna replace it with either [[toxic deluge]] or [[yehenni’s expertise]]
lusty igloo
There's others wait
sacred galleon
I think I would rather avoid playing deluge though since if I wanted to use it to pay for the trigger on Yshtola she would die so I’m leaning towards yehenni
lusty igloo
I think I would rather avoid playing deluge though since if I wanted to use it t...
Unstable Glyphbridge, promise of loyalty, tragic arrogance (dont sleep on the non-creature removal), slaughter the strong
starfall invocation is decent.... it's better than your bounce one for sure. but the fact it removes curiosity irks me. I don't like single combat. the fact that they can choose which creature to keep makes it so bad. they always keep their biggest threat, and unlike promise of loyalty it still comes for you
how does eye of nidhogg do for you?
im interested in it
Saruman of Many Colors looks very suspect
sacred galleon
Yeah goad felt very good because I had scary stuff pointed away from me
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Saruman of Many Colors looks very suspect
It is to me as well
I haven’t played it yet
lusty igloo
has it been dead in your hand before
sacred galleon
But I suspect it’s too expensive for a creature
lusty igloo
or just never drawn
sacred galleon
Never drawn I just added him to the deck
But I think second spell is a trap with shtola
Too mana intensive and runs you out of answers too quick for the third player before you untap
Better to have her only need 1 spell cast to trigger the draw
lusty igloo
But I think second spell is a trap with shtola
yeah i complained about it already
like weeks ago
sacred galleon
Which is why nidhogg played so well
lusty igloo
being forced to play the second card to get the second card trigger instead of waiting for best/last-second time to use your removal/counters is bait
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I didn’t even need to spend the mana to get the draw bc I goaded their commander
lusty igloo
flash sounds fun
sacred galleon
It kinda makes me wonder about [[alela the cunning]]
surreal shoalBOT
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Or whatever the dimir goad one is
lusty igloo
im not on it but it's probably rly gud in high power b3 pods
frantic search feels like an auto-include
sacred galleon
Eeehhh maybe
lusty igloo
think you should run it. even cedh yshtola runs it