#Input on Sauron Army making.

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keen flower
mental cape
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Alright what’s the game plan

keen flower
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The deck is kinda built around both Orc armies and Zombie Armies

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Ozolith is obvious in its purpose, the armies are gonna get removed, but I wanna keep their counters for the next one

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Sauron doesn't need to be protected much due to his brutal ward cost

mental cape
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I see the vision with the random amass cards, i.e. dunland crebain

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But tbh you’d be better off running better cards and letting your opponents pump your army up

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Using those slots to get to sauron faster, draw more cards or have better removal will likely do much more for you

keen flower
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What are you thinking of cutting and what for?

mental cape
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Stuff like eternal skylord and co. Are fine

keen flower
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I decided to slot the best board wipes for each of his colors

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Cause people need to run more board wipes.

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It's not just my board that'll get out of control usually

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You see the vision running the nazgul right? I'm gonna be trying to turn all of my armies into wraiths as well as Sauron himself to boost them even further

mental cape
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Dunland crebain - can just run better cards, 3 mana amass 2 is a bad rate
gothmog - deathtouch is fine but at 4 mana and only amassing one on etb is not worth the 4 mana. Could run [[basilisk collar]] instead to equip to an army.
lord of the nazgul (and the 7 nazgul in the deck) - they don’t amass, or even care about armies, zombies, or orcs for that matter, so they seem pretty oht if place outside just wanting to run LotR cards
sauron the necromancer - doesn’t do much for you, even at the 5 mana mark
Grishnákh - basically just a way worse [[act of treason]] just because it has amass attached to it
The Mouth of Sauron - if you were playing flicker/spellslinger/reanimator this would make more sense, but at 5 mana it’s a pretty poor rate for a mid amass
Uglúk - big ol’ beater with no evasion and barely any synergy with armies, considering the army doesn’t re-enter when you amass. There’s plenty of better beaters.
Witch-King, Sky Scourge - you don’t care much about wraiths, he’s generically good on his own too so it’s fine but there might exist better options at or less than 7 mana.

loud rainBOT
mental cape
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Of course remember these are suggestions, not requirements so if you want to keep a package or card feel free

mental cape
keen flower
mental cape
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Oh, right, tempting

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I will note that I’m not seeing any way to turn your army into a wraith

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So that reasoning you mentioned earlier doesn’t work

keen flower
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[[Minas Morgul, Dark Fortress]]

loud rainBOT
mental cape
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Oh, I see

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Relying on one land in the 99 for an entire package to begin functioning sounds not great

keen flower
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True...

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That's what the tutors are for though

mental cape
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I would still keep the land since shadow is a very relevant ketword

keen flower
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Shadow is sick

mental cape
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If you want to keep the wraiths for the tempting then I’d consider cutting the ones that don’t tempt

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You can run two more Nazgûl, btw

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So it’d help cut down the curve AND increase the nazgul count by doing a swap there

keen flower
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True

mental cape
keen flower
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I'll prolly drop necromancer sauron and Mouth of Sauron for two more nazgul

mental cape
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You might consider removing some of those pieces I recommended for other tempting stuff

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[[breaking if the fellowship]] seems good

loud rainBOT
keen flower
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See ya dunland

mental cape
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[[one ring to rule them all]] would be really good since you can make your army legendary to save it from the wipe it does.

loud rainBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/102/one-ring-to-rule-them-all

One Ring to Rule Them All <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — The Ring tempts you, then each player mills cards equal to your Ring-bearer's power.
II — Destroy all nonlegendary creatures.
III — Each opponent loses 1 life for each creature card in that player's graveyard.

keen flower
mental cape
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And it’ll cause people to mill a ton if your army is big

keen flower
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So question

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Anytime the ring tempts me

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Can I choose to swap my ring bearer?

mental cape
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Yes

keen flower
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Or have multiple ring bearers?

mental cape
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Not multiple

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Just swap the ring to something else

keen flower
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Interesting...

mental cape
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The ring will also make your army more effective in combat

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[[the ring]]

loud rainBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/tltr/H13/the-ring-the-ring-tempts-you

The Ring

Emblem
Your Ring-bearer is legendary and can't be blocked by creatures with greater power.
Whenever your Ring-bearer attacks, draw a card, then discard a card.
Whenever your Ring-bearer becomes blocked by a creature, that creature's controller sacrifices it at end of combat.
Whenever your Ring-bearer deals combat damage to a player, each opponent loses 3 life.

The Ring Tempts You
Card
As the Ring tempts you, you get an emblem named The Ring if you don't have one. Then your emblem gains its next ability and you choose a creature you control to become or remain your Ring-bearer.
• The Ring can tempt you even if you don't control a creature.
• The Ring gains its abilities in order from top to bottom. Once it gains an ability, it has that ability for the rest of the game.
• Each time the Ring tempts you, you must choose a creature if you control one.
• Each player can have only one emblem named The Ring and only one Ring-bearer at a time.

mental cape
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So one thing you could try to abuse is you wheeling your hand one or more times a turn

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Though atp sauron needs to be out so maybe it’s not worth worrying about

keen flower
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Yeah he's why I chose him as the commander

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I'll usually be dumping my hand out pretty consistently

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So being able to refill it anytime I need to is huge

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[[Nazgul Mace]] is gonna be nasty attached to an army

loud rainBOT
mental cape
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True

keen flower
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And it's incredibly thematic with the theme of lord of the rings

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I wanted to build the deck to be strong, but also really thematic to Sauron as a character

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Hence why I have the 3 free spells I can run in it as well, since he's a master mage and does stuff like them in lore

mental cape
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Fair

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This deck seems like it won’t be dumping hand nearly as much as you’d hope

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I’m seeing very little ramp

keen flower
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Colors don't allow for ramp much tbh

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But I can dump out the cards I need to use, then the dead ones can go in the bin

mental cape
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In grixis you could have up to like 35 rocks before getting into the truly terrible ones

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You have 3 ramp pieces in the deck

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Signets, talismans, hell even diamonds would be fine here

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Prismatic lens, liquimetal torque, mind stone, thran dynamo, fellwar stone

keen flower
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Okay I added a bit more ramp

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I added the 3 in color talismans

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I always forget about those and how goated they are

mental cape
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I would try to pump your ramp up to, like, 12-15 pieces

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You can also do rituals too, I count those

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Jeska’s will

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Mana geyser

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Dark ritual, cabal ritual (this one’s especially good if you’re wheeling), culling the weak

keen flower
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I cut the basic counterspell and just a some of the less useful creatures for the rituals, and a couple of not needed lands, basics, for mana rocks

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The rituals are also very on theme for Sauron. So bonus points

mental cape
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So uh

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Weird question, what’s lord of pain doing here?

keen flower
mental cape
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Sure, it just seems… fine? Like it’s not doing much for you in the way of your gameplan

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Oh, wait, Uglûk

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Cut that guy

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Beaters are fine but even then this one’s pretty low on the beater ladder

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Replace him with a signet

keen flower
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Hmm which one?

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Dimir or Rakdos or Izzet?

mental cape
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Scroll to the bottom of your page, there should be a breakdown of your colors

keen flower
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Black is my most common color pip

mental cape
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Heavy black, with 26% red and 24% blue

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So rakdos or dimir are both fine, statistically I’d go with rakdos

keen flower
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Black is 60% red and blue are both 25%

mental cape
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So it’s kinda up to you on that one, technically red is 2% more common

keen flower
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Alright, 12 pieces of ramp

mental cape
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That’s a good spot to be

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Especially if your commander is much higher cost

keen flower
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Now I should be able to reliably dump my hand to further synergize with Sauron's refill ability

mental cape
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Yup.

keen flower
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I honestly don't see people being willing to target remove Sauron much

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That ward is NASTY

mental cape
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Even if you get a hand full of ramp, you can still dump it and wheel to make use of it

mental cape
keen flower
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But like i said

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Most people don't run enough wipes

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It's why I'm running 3

mental cape
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What is Abyssal Harvester doing in the deck?

keen flower
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Interaction is king

keen flower
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Helps cheat out something I wasn't able to cast at the time, I could prlly cut him

mental cape
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Oh, sure that makes sense

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It’s fine tbh

keen flower
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It also lets me steal someone else's shit too after a board wipe

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If someone has a creature I want in a graveyard, I can just slurp it up

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And it's my method of being responsible with graveyard hate

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Exactly at the power level I want it

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mental cape
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Lol

keen flower
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My pods usually hang around the 6-8 margin so this won't be overly oppressive, we're all heavy into proxying out decks to have variety at the table so we try and keep from proxying nasty shit out

mental cape
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“My deck’s basically literally a 7”

keen flower
mental cape
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Fair

keen flower
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Well thank you for the help! If you wanna go against it later tonight I'm always on playing at night when I'm not at work, spelltable, Untap.in, and discord video if preferred

keen flower
loud rainBOT
mental cape
mental cape
keen flower
loud rainBOT
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No card found for “Inhereted Letter”

mental cape
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Oh 100%

keen flower
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[[Inherited Envelope]]

loud rainBOT
mental cape
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It tempts, it’s on flavor so i’d say for that alone it’s good

keen flower
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Yeah the flavor is important for this XD

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Honestly I think the decks really on flavor, not only for lord of the rings and Sauron, but also for the entire color identity of Grixis