modern creek
I see so many other people with more generalist deck building threads that aren’t for specific decks I thought I’d make one of my own.
Starting it all off by reposting a project I shared a few weeks ago in hopes to get some fresh eyes and ideas: a morph battlebox!
This is what I’ve got so far, tinkering with a few different ideas for a fourth deck but have yet to firmly decide anything.
modern creek
The latter really, just trying to focus in on the mechanics that play around with that. So Morph/Manifest/Cloak/Disguise…I think thats all of them?
slate path
That's why I brought up [[magar]]
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Legendary Creature — Minotaur Performer
: Note the name of target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard and put it onto the battlefield face down. It's a 3/3 creature with "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may create a copy of the card with the noted name. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost" and "If this creature would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else."
3/3
slate path
Megamorph and "manifest dread" are the variants on the ones you listed
modern creek
Megamorph and "manifest dread" are the variants on the ones you listed
Ah yeah I knew I was forgetting some
Magar seems intriguing for this though…still fits the overall theme of things and plays differently enough.
Maybe I stuff it full of big splashy fun spells and some self mill? My roommate has been brewing a Magar deck more seriously so out of respect for him I’d at least inform him of the idea.
I’ve also been considering [[Azlask]] cause its cares about colorless creatures or maybe even [[Kenrith, the returned king]] for a more group hug/political leaning angle.
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Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
Whenever Azlask, the Swelling Scourge or another colorless creature you control dies, you get an experience counter.
: Creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of experience counters you have. Scions and Spawns you control gain indestructible and annihilator 1 until end of turn.
2/2
Legendary Creature — Human Noble
: All creatures gain trample and haste until end of turn.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
: Target player gains 5 life.
: Target player draws a card.
: Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under its owner's control.
5/5
slate path
Azlask is an interesting angle
And I'd understand wanting to avoid it if your room mate is doing it.
This was the quick thought mock-up my brain made for what I was thinking about https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ayc7uhlP5UWjT9zywbqG2w
modern creek
This was the quick thought mock-up my brain made for what I was thinking about h...
Oh I like this!
slate path
It could probably have more instants/sorceries but wasn't sure
At least as a starting point
modern creek
Thoughts on [[Megatron]]? Encourages a more aggressive/life total pressuring play style, while doing something for morphs from the zone by providing mana all while enabling a different approach to the deck with artifacts.
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modern creek
[[Megatron, Tyrant]]
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(You may cast this card converted for .)
for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.Megatron, Destructive Force
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (During your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Whenever Megatron attacks, you may sacrifice another artifact. When you do, Megatron deals damage equal to the sacrificed artifact's mana value to target creature. If excess damage would be dealt to that creature this way, instead that damage is dealt to that creature's controller and you convert Megatron.
4/5
slate path
So, remember transformed cards aren't face down
Because Magic cards have multiple faces even on specific sides
modern creek
Right. The problem I’ve been running into, biodome design wise, is most of the ideas I’ve been tinkering with dont do much for morphs on their own, rather they enable a different sort of application. And I want all 4 commanders to ideally be doing something for the theme. Be that mana, card draw, board advantage, or anything else advantageous. I was browsing EDH rec for commanders that passively generate mana from the zone for a different deck and came across him. I originally was going to have missy as an artifact subthemed take for the project before it was going to be a biodome so thats what has me drawn to Megatron. I’m thinking his mana generation could be used to get the facedown creatures onto the board, but maybe I’m getting into too many hoops at that point.
modern creek
If only Carson were here to see this:
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/9594865/morph_than_meets_the_eye
Needs more card advantage but I think philosophically it should play well in the face-down creatures biodome
modern creek
This list needs some TLC before I can confidently print it. It needs clearer lines and a smoother card draw package for sure, but I definitely want to cram more of the maybe board into the main.
slate path
I found your thread!
Ok. So I've been looking at strefan and it reads like you're getting stuck early game because you had fewer low cost draw or low cost vampires
I'm still trying to finish the cuts but this is where I am. https://moxfield.com/decks/vY2gyoUb4EKBFZd_xOgKiA
The cuts i made from your list are in the sideboard.
slate path
I try to keep suggestions for additions to under $3 just in general, things I though of and added/cut are in considering
Either due to cost to or being unsure of overall impact
modern creek
I'm still trying to finish the cuts but this is where I am. https://moxfield.com...
Doing a few rounds of play testing in Moxfield with this, gonna test a theory with my other decks I think I'm starting to see a pattern emerge...
modern creek
Thats not the specific pattern I'm noticing, but it is probably one I should correct in a lot of my decks.
modern creek
What's the pattern you saw?
I think the problem I'm facing is a lot of my decks are built in a way that needs a solid early game, but many of them are lacking the means to ensure that happens. I'm noticing I need to mulligan more to get something that can get going earlier and thats creating issues in the midgame because I'm sometimes still building up when others are starting to go off.
slate path
Mm, I can see that
modern creek
I think the deck I'm most upset about this with is my Yuma deck, that deck just has extremely disjointed starts and I can't figure out whats wrong because the card quality is insane
slate path
I need to look through your Yuma deck to compare with mine
The lists share about half the deck.
You definitely focused more on having additional land drops and having access to the lands later.
I leaned more heavily into graveyards and deserts
modern creek
Yeah, I'm debating on cutting some high cost stuff for [[Laelia, the blade reforged]] and [[Marisi, breaker]] and [[Open the way]]
slate path
[[zilortha, strength incarnate]] has actually been useful
slate path
It does a lot to make the plants sturdier
I think Six is the only creature it highly negatively impacts.
modern creek
I've been using [[Phylath]] for that, but maybe its less effective than I thought
slate path
Phylath is one I also have and I've been considering cutting it
Just because I don't run enough basics
In that it's a hermit druid deck but
modern creek
Oh how am I not following this tf
lmao I was debating pinging you to get you in here my guy
slate path
Azraekos' decks in general if there's a pattern
But Yuma was most recently discussed because of the disparity in performance and raw card power level
modern creek
Mostly just trying to give my decks a once-over to see if there's any concerning patterns, been having an unusually high number of poor games over the last few weeks (I think I have won a single game in the past...15 or so, to use an unimportant but illustrative metric)
Posting my decklists here for easy reference:
modern creek
@light pivot you mind taking a peek at this? Finally getting around to brewing a new Jund deck to replace Korvold (the deck kinda died with Dockside, at least with how I had built it). Going an aggro route to try something different.
light pivot
<@180801337947193345> you mind taking a peek at this? Finally getting around to ...
I won’t lie, I tried Ognis but he didn’t really do it for me. I can still take a look!
light pivot
(Oh what a surprise, another jund commander I didn’t vibe with lol)
slate path
So the goal is just for a simple aggro?
Or is it treasure?
Your list feels between them
Also Ognis is she/her
modern creek
So the goal is just for a simple aggro?
More or less trying to lean on aggro, I have Prosper for treasure.dec
slate path
Ok
modern creek
I won’t lie, I tried Ognis but he didn’t really do it for me. I can still take a...
Lol appreciate it homie, you got me in my aggro era lmao
slate path
Yeah, you just have a lot more treasure than haste
Or, they're about the same but treasure feels much more impactful
I think Ognis is neat though. And, possibly more interesting because she's also a lizard
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Thoughts on [[Urabrask, the hidden]] instead of Wulfgar
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modern creek
Thoughts on [[Urabrask, the hidden]] instead of Wulfgar
That one always feels weird when I play it these days, 5 mana feels like it should be doing more. Not against the inclusion though.
Most of the reason I threw in wolfgar was he was my first gruul deck before moving onto Vrondiss.
slate path
That makes sense. I asked and then my brain thwapped at me for suggesting him
light pivot
@modern creek so the saskia deck
Something I see you’re missing is monarch and initiative
Also dockside is banned lol
modern creek
Oh shit, yeah I really should have included that…
modern creek
Also dockside is banned lol
I haven’t updated the list in a while lol
light pivot
Ohh fair
modern creek
Easy cut for Marchesa!
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Long May She Reign! :crown:
modern creek
Yeah I got the precon with him, kept Eowyn as the commander tho
modern creek
After a nearly...5 hour long game today, I'm thinking it might be for the best if I slide in something a little more deterministic to win games in this deck. With an improved mana base, I think it probably warrants that. Debating sliding in Ashnod's Altar.
My big concern is if that pulls it too definitively into bracket 3 that its closer to 4. Would appreciate thoughts!
modern creek
Bumping this for attention
modern creek
@rain marsh @light pivot since y'all got me motivated to get this online, thought I'd tag you both here to get thoughts on cuts: https://moxfield.com/decks/OqakQyAWIU-R5Q8NM6mqXw
rain marsh
oh this is the other neriv
rain marsh
i agree, if i wanted to hit yard i would run lion sash here
modern creek
I'm definitely adding champions from beyond, echoing assault, OTJ Kambal, Enduring courage, and Roar of resistance, but I'm debating on Lagomos and Defibrillating current
light pivot
I’m also having trouble picking out if this is an aggressive deck or an aristocrats deck
rain marsh
i think if the tokens neriv made were warriors i would say go for it with woe-reaper
but you dont have a consistent source of them
light pivot
Woe strider and yahenni seem random
light pivot
It’s good but I ask again, is this a combat focused deck or an aristocrats focused deck?
rain marsh
turns the tokens from mobilize cards into scry
rain marsh
but i think i agree that it might be ill-fitting here
i know this is a really unfortunate thing to hear but i think that the funny goblin would be better in that slot
🙁
i actually dont remember the name of the funny goblin
Warren Soultrader, i remembered right after i sent that
modern creek
It’s good but I ask again, is this a combat focused deck or an aristocrats focus...
Going for more of the former here, aristocrats I think wants a very different commander
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Sorcery
Each player chooses an artifact, a creature, an enchantment, and a planeswalker from among the nonland permanents they control, then sacrifices the rest. If was spent to cast this spell, you choose the permanents for each player instead.
light pivot
This is literally a 4 mana [[tragic arrogance]] in mardu
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modern creek
Probably cause it released in Ikoria which was during the height of the pandemic
light pivot
That was the first set I bought a commander precon in
Bought the abzan precon
Like an idiot
modern creek
I bought all 5 precons that year, they were...decks of all time, to be sure.
anyways back to cuts for this
I'm debating on the value of mainset neriv here, unless things are going really right it doesn't seem to do much IME
modern creek
Yeah, maybe itd be a good cut for [[Lagomos]]? or OTJ Kambal when it finally gets to me
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Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a 2/1 red Elemental creature token with trample and haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
: Search your library for a card, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Activate only if five or more creatures died this turn.
1/3
rain marsh
snapdax is the best mythos spell
it's so good
Mythos of Nethroi also very good but in really medium colors for what it's doing
modern creek
I think I'm settled on cutting Main set Neriv at least, but I still need another 4 or 5 cuts...Woe Strider and Viscera seer and Yahenni are all good sac outlets for the mobilize tokens, but maybe one of them can go?
whatchu think @light pivot
light pivot
If I ahd to pick one, yahenni is nothing but a beater
modern creek
yeah thats the one i was leaning towards cutting too...
rain marsh
i agree with that
i still think Warren Soultrader clears Woe Strider every time as a sac outlet though
modern creek
Divine visitation is sticking out to me as a card thats gonna win games at the cost of the game plan, maybe it can go for [[Echoing assault]]?
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modern creek
because that feels much more inline with the decks gameplan
though it isnt reading like a card that will win games
rain marsh
i think it's worth running Divine Visitation
it might cost the gameplan but is more likely to end games
and we are an aggressive deck, we gotta take every advantage we can get
modern creek
true
rain marsh
wheras echoing assault feels very winmore, if it's good enough to be winning a game, that game was already won
and it's unlikely to do anything to get you there
modern creek
Champions from beyond needs to go in asap, getting a full party is probably enough to push through for the win
modern creek
and it's unlikely to do anything to get you there
yeah thats fair. Feels right for the deck though but its probably something of a capstone to a boardstate than a finisher if that makes sense
modern creek
they are not defined as any type other than warriors unfortunately
rain marsh
that sucks so much
there are so many fantastic aggressive cards you could run to abuse it otherwise lmao
modern creek
I walso just realized I accidentally added the wrong enduring card to the online list
rain marsh
i do think party cards are a good thing to look at though
modern creek
I'm waiting on courage in the mail, I have innocence in the deck
rain marsh
i do have a suggestion and im so sorry to give this
have you considered multi-format allstar Seasoned Dungeoneer
modern creek
i do think party cards are a good thing to look at though
oh I only referenced party because of the flavor word on [[Champions from beyond]]
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rain marsh
oh
i was gonna say, you dont care about getting an actual "full party" mechanically but things that care about the 4 types actually get a lot of value here
because almost your entire deck is warrior, cleric, or wizard
modern creek
have you considered multi-format allstar Seasoned Dungeoneer
Its in my Terra deck! Not sure how much itd do here though, this is more of a go wide whereas Terra only really cares about getting in with the commander.
rain marsh
i dont have any specific suggestions for them, but definitely something to look into since you're already there
modern creek
yeah true
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rain marsh
she'd be your only rogue and also potentially the only card that cares if you have one
but more importantly lets you cast over half of your creatures from the top of the deck
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modern creek
[[Zagras, thief of heartbeats]]
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Rogue
This spell costs less to cast for each creature in your party.
Flying, deathtouch, haste
Other creatures you control have deathtouch.
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a planeswalker, destroy that planeswalker.
4/4
modern creek
[[Squad Commander]] too
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rain marsh
yeah, i dont know how much you'd want to lean into it but Nalia is like free real estate
you still benefit even if you never get a full party
(you only have 1 cleric, that's why i brought it up)
modern creek
Random thought: [[Corroding Dragonstorm]] and [[Teeming Dragon Storm]]
modern creek
Teeming scales nicely into Neriv, and makes unique tokens
Corroding comes down early to poke life totals
slate path
So they're still named "soldier token"
These are all counted the same by neriv
Also the 2/2
Corroding I sort of like though
Looking at your list you can have at most 16 unique token names (counting the battle chicken and echoing assault as 1 each)
[[Outlaw's merriment]] might be a good include for influx of new names
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modern creek
Notes on games today (I should probably start note taking here instead of #social-contracts )
modern creek
OTJ Kambal and Enduring Courage just arrived, so I need 4 cuts (accounting for the roar of resistance I'm waiting on)
light pivot
For which deck again?
modern creek
For which deck again?
Neriv
modern creek
Roar of resistance just arrived, still trying to find cuts…gosh this is getting tricky
Part of me says [[ogre battledriver]] comes out for endiring courage but having the redundancy feels important for that.
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Creature — Ogre Warrior
Whenever another creature you control enters, that creature gets +2/+0 and gains haste until end of turn. (It can attack and this turn.)
Ogres are driven by passion, rage, and another ogre standing behind them with a whip.
3/3
modern creek
@light pivot you’re the aggro guy, thoughts?
pallid zephyr
You could cut Nerriv [[Zurgo, thunders decree]]?
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pallid zephyr
Or maybe [[Elias il kor]]?
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light pivot
Part of me says [[ogre battledriver]] comes out for endiring courage but having ...
Both is nice, but you might find better anthems outside of them.
The buff AND haste is good but doubling up might not be great
I’m also not a haste believer
modern creek
Both is nice, but you might find better anthems outside of them.
yeah, thinking on it after easting a little its not the most important. [[Roar of Resistance]] and Enduring courage 'll probably do all the hase I really need.
..scryfall bot wtf keep up
[[roar of resistance]]
modern creek
dope
Maybe I cut [[Queen Marchesa]]? feels like an awkward step to have to go through to get the unique token
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Long May She Reign! :crown:
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pallid zephyr
I thought the deathtouch was the important part
modern creek
its good but its really the extra unique token, at least thats why I put it in there
pallid zephyr
Then cut it?
rain marsh
extra unique token = good
but also, here's my $0.02
does your deck want to introduce the monarchy into a game
is what you're getting out of +1 unique token > giving a player not of your choosing 1 card a turn
pallid zephyr
Well that and someone has to hit you to get the monarchy sooo
modern creek
okay yeah the queen can go
Thats queen and battledriver out for enduring courage and OTJ Kambal, now I gotta figure out 2 more for Roar of resistance and Aftermath Pia Nalaar
pallid zephyr
You know, I haven’t said my other joke suggestion yet: [[soulsblast]]
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pallid zephyr
[[roar of resistance]]
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Enchantment
Creature tokens you control have haste.
Whenever one or more creatures attack, you may pay . If you do, creatures attacking your opponents and/or planeswalkers they control get +2/+0 until end of turn.
pallid zephyr
Cut Ogre
Redundancy is cool but how important is haste for the deck?
wait why am I helping it’s kicked my ass
modern creek
ogre is already going?
pallid zephyr
Well cut it again
modern creek
its getting cut for enduring courage
pallid zephyr
[[mindblade render]] only gives you one card draw
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pallid zephyr
Maybe that?
rain marsh
yeah, i think mindblade render is not very good
i cant open the list rn but do we have azra oddsmaker in there
pallid zephyr
[[azra oddsmaker]]
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pallid zephyr
It’s not there (yet)
modern creek
So after playing the current list a few times, its currently 3-2 for its last 5 games. This is before the 3 cuts I made last night but it is sitting at a healthy spot IMO.
I'll keep an eye out for an Azra Oddsmaker to slot in to replace render (its been preem in Terra so its bound to be good here too) but for right now I think I'm about ready to move focus to a new deck.
modern creek
i think oddsmaker is at its best in a token deck imo
I've been using it in terra to bin reanimation targets
Anyways, I think this is the next deck I'm gonna try to tinker with to get to a more workable state: https://moxfield.com/decks/nMQ9LiiUakSnFPjexletHg
Its just not playtesting super consistently, feels like there's some rough edges to sand down. Been having some trouble identifying anything.
pallid zephyr
Anyways, I think this is the next deck I'm gonna try to tinker with to get to a ...
Add a land
It sounds stupid but try it
modern creek
...ok but whats the cut for that tho
pallid zephyr
[[No mercy]]
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pallid zephyr
Or [[meathook massacre II]]
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pallid zephyr
Personally [[darkness crystal]] has never really worked out as I’d hoped it would
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Legendary Artifact
Black spells you cast cost less to cast.
If a nontoken creature an opponent controls would die, instead exile it and you gain 2 life.
, : Put target creature card exiled with The Darkness Crystal onto the battlefield tapped under your control with two additional +1/+1 counters on it.
modern creek
...crazy shit that worked
pallid zephyr
Hmm?
pallid zephyr
...crazy shit that worked
I have like 4 guesses here and I don’t know which is right
modern creek
I have like 4 guesses here and I don’t know which is right
just adding the extra land lol
pallid zephyr
just adding the extra land lol
HAHAHA I WAS RIGHT Glaf I could help!
modern creek
ok yeah its right where I want it now Mika, you may crash out from watching it go when I've got it built in paper
pallid zephyr
FUC-congratulations
modern creek
Alright friends, I’m in need of assistance here. My Terra deck has a habit of getting to a very hard to meaningfully interact with board state, but fails to push wins quickly after that point. It spends a few turns kinda just doing the thing and slowly pressuring lifetotals.
Its in pretty dire need of a non-infinite way to expedite that process, and I’ve been having trouble finding the best way to do that.
@light pivot you’re the aggro guy, maybe you have an idea here?
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light pivot
you’re already tumbling in, punish them for nonbasics
[[siegfried famed swordsman]] seems like a good beater
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Creature — Dauthi Rogue
Shadow (This creature can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.)
If a card would be put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, instead exile it with a void counter on it.
, Sacrifice this creature: Choose an exiled card an opponent owns with a void counter on it. You may play it this turn without paying its mana cost.
3/2
light pivot
[[general leo cristophe]]
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light pivot
I’d cut joshua, Mangara, kefka, solemn, and esper valigarmanda
Also overkill is just not good
It’s a murder
I’d go with [[tragic arrogance]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Vigilance
When Loran enters, destroy up to one target artifact or enchantment.
: You and target opponent each draw a card.
As a scholar, she saw the sylex not as a weapon, but as a key to the past.
2/1
light pivot
A little bit of politics by my side, a little bit of rec sage, yadda yadda
modern creek
I’d cut joshua, Mangara, kefka, solemn, and esper valigarmanda
Yeah Mangara and sad robot can probably go. Kefka has stayed for flavor reasons but perhaps it is time for it to go too…
Joshua and Esper Valigarmanda though feel really good in practice. Joshua’s ETB is preem card selection for binning creatures to the yard and Esper Valigarmanda has been really effective at doubling up on removal and getting access to ramp.
Though, Mercadia's Downfall is probably the exact kind of way this deck can push through to win games
light pivot
His etb is fine but he isn’t ever winning the game for you
And flipping ain’t doing hardly anything
modern creek
Ok what if...[[Thunderhawk Gunship]]
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modern creek
Maybe there's another way to take this...what if instead of a true finisher we go with more fleshbag effects and just loop them via reanimation? enough of them and games probably end a lot quicker from just eating blockers away faster than anyone can produce them
light pivot
That sounds like the opposite of wanting to find a way to end the game
modern creek
If only we had access to Regrowth effects, then there's probably some line that uses [[Vile Entomber]] to bin Rise from the dark realms
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modern creek
wait what am I think [[Ardent elementalist]] and [[Pinnacle Monk]] exist
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Mystic Peak
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
"Fear not the fall. Fear never reaching the pinnacle." —Narset
light pivot
true
modern creek
Maybe the play is Vile Entomber and some of these effects to effectively be able to slow fetch instants or sorceries
cause realistically Rise is gonna end games and [[Ruinous ultimatim]] probably gets me just enough advantage to get me there
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modern creek
Its slow but I could make this more theoretically do able in one turn with [[Pillardrop Warden]]
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Creature — Spirit Dwarf
Reach
, , Sacrifice this creature: Return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand. Activate only as a sorcery.
A giant statue of a dwarf is still a giant statue.
1/5
modern creek
Use the entomber to bin rise, get it to hand with warden, if Rise gets countered Terra can reanimate warden for another shot at it
slate path
There's also stuff like [[mizzix's mastery]]
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Sorcery
Exile target card that's an instant or sorcery from your graveyard. For each card exiled this way, copy it, and you may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. Exile Mizzix's Mastery.
Overload 
(You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
slate path
For getting rise of the dark realms from your gy
modern creek
I'm not opposed to Mizzix's as an out for this, in fact after having a cup of coffee to wake up a bit its actually hitting how much of a galaxy brain move it'd be, but seeing as its a typical finisher in spellslinger decks I think its best left out for now. Though I think I am encroaching on a pathway to a stronger finish line that avoids infinites and "solitaire" gameplay.
modern creek
It occurs to me, I could do the tried and true [[Insurrection]] or even a [[Dragon Throne of Tarkir]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has defender and ", : Other creatures you control gain trample and get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is this creature's power."
Equip
What once soared high above Tarkir is now reduced to a seat.
modern creek
Like, putting the throne on a bigger body is probably a bit more challenging than most decks that’d play it would like but its not a bad way to end games. I do have [[Angel of indemnity]] and [[Havoc Eater]], putting it on either with a wide enough board seems like as good a way as any to end things faster.
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Creature — Angel Warrior
Flying, lifelink
When this creature enters, return target permanent card with mana value 4 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Encore 
(, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
5/5
modern creek
@light pivot you being even more aggro minded than me makes me want a second opinion from you on this.
light pivot
+4/+4 is good though
modern creek
I’m musing on Terra, sorry. Probably should have made that a little more clear. (Though getting your thoughs on applying it to Neriv is appreciated as well!)
modern creek
Alright friends, I’m in need of assistance here. My Terra deck has a habit of ge...
I’m still focusing on solving this problem, you helped identify some good cuts just narrowing down a direction I wanna take with what I’m gonna fill into the open spots.
dull mural
There are some really potent token producers in your colors at manavalue 3 or lower. Would a go wide finish be an idea?
modern creek
I kinda already do that in Neriv…Terra warrants a different kind of finish IMO.
The deck is plenty capable of going wide as is; @pallid zephyr can attest to that. The problem is in making the finishing blow happen faster. Hence why insurrection or Rise is kinda feeling like the way to go with this, as both are ostensibly putting enough value on the board to declaratively win games.
slate path
I feel like you need more damage etbs
Like more impact tremor effects like [[general kreat]]
slate path
YOu only have [[warstorm surge]]
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trim kelp
I love warstorm surge
slate path
It just feels like this deck needs to be stealing as much health from opponents as possible
Because it depends on attacking
And I'm assuming you're not using [[dolmen gate]] or [[iroas]] because they push things too far in the other way?
slate path
[[iroas, god]]
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dull mural
Hmm, how about some cool equipments like Sword of Feast and Famine/Buster Sword/Anduril/Embercleave and Godo + Stonefore Mystic and maybe Cloud?
pallid zephyr
The deck is plenty capable of going wide as is; <@347473032618573839> can attest...
Am attesting, it can go wide
modern creek
And I'm assuming you're not using [[dolmen gate]] or [[iroas]] because they push...
Its more that those effects are already pretty preem in Neriv, so I'm looking for a slightly different angle here. Not a bad idea to go for though!
I like my decks to play differently or at least be trying to execute different kinds of win lines so they feel distinct and dont end up blurring together. Its why I took apart Faldorn despite my love for impulse draw, it ended up feeling a lot like Prosper in general gameplay, even if the execution was different.
Anyways, rn my thoughts for giving Terra a little more finishing power are:
This gives me a line where I can use Vile entomber to grab any 3 sorcery speed finishers, use the recursion for them to get em to hand, and then I have the recursion redundancy to try again if counter magic happens.
The best part of this is no one will really expect a reanimator deck to finish with a line like that, so it can kinda come out of left field while shields are down.
dull mural
Insurrection kind of loses to a fog or something like that. Don't know how prevalent those are in your meta.
pallid zephyr
modern creek
1) literally any combat finisher loses to fog, that’s just fancy “dies to remova...
...I would need a sac out let for that second point, I don't have one atm
pallid zephyr
Isn’t this for Terra? Don’t you have one in there?
Oh maybe I was thinking of Betor
modern creek
Not at the moment, no. You were probably thinking of Betor or Neriv where i do have some sac stuff
pallid zephyr
Yeah probably
dull mural
I think insurrection is just a bit too inconsistent to depend upon as a main finisher line. Could be cool as one of the lines though.
modern creek
Yeah the ideal line I'm thinking of is Rise, insurrection is sorta a "plan c" kinda thing.
dull mural
Well, in that category, there are also [[Deflecting Palm]] and the like
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slate path
I just noticed you don't have [[twilight diviner]]
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slate path
In terra
modern creek
I just noticed you don't have [[twilight diviner]]
oh its going in ASAP, just don't have one yet
modern creek
...the fact I can get 2 on mana pool for like 4 dollars on mana pool makes it tempting, feels like its gonna spike one of these days
pallid zephyr
Do it
modern creek
Though that once a turn limitation probably holds it back from that possibility in the very near future
pallid zephyr
“Oh no it’s remotely balanced”
modern creek
This reminds me I should probably get a [[Soul immolation]] for Auntie Ool too!
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pallid zephyr
Pls no
modern creek
I mean...he does
pallid zephyr
Yeah I do, and it’s awful great!
modern creek
Auntie Ool has a tendency to go solitaire magic for a bit in its current version, really gonna need to pick up some cards to fix that up a bit.
modern creek
and TBH extra board wipes might be the way to go, the deck shrinks boards, then a wipe clears em for the attack.
Not too many wipes tho, dont wanna get to wipe.dec levels cause thats not fun in any capacity
modern creek
Thinking on Terra some more, I'm debating on this path:
That way the path to wins becomes a lot more direct and my board gets larger faster- the only danger at that point is Isilu + Celes does make an infinite with a sac outlet but its less guarenteed to directly win like Aurelia + Karmic Guide + Phyrex/Ashnods altar + Terra does.
Thoughts @slate path @rain marsh ?
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or one mana of that creature's color.). If you do, transform Eirdu.Isilu, Carrier of Twilight
Legendary Creature — Elemental God
Flying, lifelink
Each other nontoken creature you control has persist. (When it dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
At the beginning of your first main phase, you may pay . If you do, transform Isilu.
5/5
rain marsh
Thinking on Terra some more, I'm debating on this path:
- Sac outlets like Visc...
my opinion on eridu is that anyone who knows what the back side does never lets you get that far if they can help it, and anyone who doesn't might
people are pretty gunshy of blanket persist
I do think having more outs to Celes is a good idea though
she's a 3/3 right so she doesnt get hit by imp recruiter?
4/4, worse
modern creek
my opinion on eridu is that anyone who knows what the back side does never lets ...
yeah, thats true...I like how this line is a lot more open to interaction though, keeps the infinite goal with out going "EXODIA, OBLITERATE!" arbitrarily.
modern creek
Like, at that point it becomes "I told you I have this, you let me have it" not "Suprise I win"
modern creek
@trim kelp @pallid zephyr y'all are online now, thoughts?
trim kelp
Thinking on Terra some more, I'm debating on this path:
- Sac outlets like Visc...
oh about this?
modern creek
ye
trim kelp
I like Eirdu a lot
using Eirdu's backside will take some work to set up, but I think its worth it
slate path
Thinking on Terra some more, I'm debating on this path:
- Sac outlets like Visc...
Yes on sac outlets, less whelmed on the other two
modern creek
I ordered an Eirdu off mana pool to test, if it doesn’t work out well I can always make a deck for it. Been thinking about it anyways.
pallid zephyr
<@623727335090290688> <@347473032618573839> y'all are online now, thoughts?
I’m realizing now I didn’t actually react to this
Eirdu is fine just don’t complain when we remove it
modern creek
Lmao y’all probably should be even that front side is pretty damn good.
pallid zephyr
Can’t wait for Kimahri to give my creatures persist though
Before you say anything yes I know it can’t transform by itself
modern creek
Gonna be real I’m probably not transforming it till celes is out go brr
pallid zephyr
Can’t wait for Kimahri to give my creatures convoke though
modern creek
Lol there ya go
pallid zephyr
I mean if it makes his deck weaker I’m all for it There’s a lot of commanders that are like that tbf
modern creek
Thinking on Terra some more, I'm debating on this path:
- Sac outlets like Visc...
@light pivot pinging you for your thoughts on this
modern creek
@light pivot hate to double ping ya for the same thing, but I am still curious to hear your thoughts on this
light pivot
Could be fun, idk I’m not a tutor fan. Definitely if you’re gonna run sac outlets, viscera seer style ones will be the best
modern creek
Could be fun, idk I’m not a tutor fan. Definitely if you’re gonna run sac outlet...
Tbh I try to keep my decks tutor light these days. Shuffle time adds up and all that.
Celes just seems like a natural point to hinge on for closing games out faster so I figure its probably good to test out and get a feel for the turn clock.
light pivot
Celes is really good generally, if you didn’t have it in the deck it’d make a lot of sense to add
modern creek
Now that I stop to think about it, [[Grimoire of the dead]] might put in good work here. Probably worth a try down the line.
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Legendary Artifact
, , Discard a card: Put a study counter on Grimoire of the Dead.
, Remove three study counters from Grimoire of the Dead and sacrifice it: Put all creature cards from all graveyards onto the battlefield under your control. They're black Zombies in addition to their other colors and types.
modern creek
Ah heck, @light pivot might as well get your thoughts on that.
light pivot
Not a fan
7 mana and discarding three cards, has to sit around three turns
It's just not gonna happen
Plus it has that threat of activation that would make grimoire a consideration for not dropping stuff into the yard
modern creek
my main consideration is as a discard outlet first, removal magnet second, activation 3rd
but yeah prolly too slow and threatens a "free" Rise which is A LOT of threat
pallid zephyr
It could also bait out removal
I mean I know you mentioned that already but any removal used on not Terra means they keep doing the thing
modern creek
Need a cut in Betor and Terra for [[Twilight Diviner]]. Any of y'all have thoughts? (Pinging @rain marsh and @light pivot since y'all are online)
https://moxfield.com/decks/pVmm2XbrWkS3FZn0sTPKGg
https://moxfield.com/decks/-CAhKeaxuEWu_tXNpLDWFg
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rain marsh
in betor, is it bad if i just don't like vona
and i think twilight diviner is outright a better card
pallid zephyr
You could cut [[Siegfried, Famed Swordsman]]?
modern creek
I don't think you're wrong tbh. Vona is a bit antiquated by today's average card quality standards.
Only reason I'm debating on that one is Vona is pretty effective at anabling both life loss and life gain in the same turn, and thats a preem kinda card in this deck.
pallid zephyr
Do you need to have both happen in the same turn?
modern creek
Do you need to have both happen in the same turn?
Yes? Thats how Betor's trigger works? I need to lose life for reanimation and gain it for the counters...
pallid zephyr
Would it be better or worse than TD?
rain marsh
oh, you're right, i actually think siegfried is the cut
mikazuki's got you on that one
imo it's one of those 2 in betor
lemme look at terra
i think the worst card in terra is probably like, either Banon or Redemption choir, but you want a high volume of creatures
or overkill but i dont know what you're making a cut for
modern creek
or overkill but i dont know what you're making a cut for
Twilight diviner, I got 2 lol
pallid zephyr
cut betor
rain marsh
do not cut betor 😠
pallid zephyr
To be clear I’m 100% joking, and Az knows that
rain marsh
(i know)
modern creek
i think the worst card in terra is probably like, either Banon or Redemption cho...
TBH I was considering cutting at least one, maybe 2 of the reanimation effects. I've found games are sometimes coming down to "I'm reanimating so hard my reanimation lacks targets".
Redemption choir is reanimatable by Terra though, is it the added restriction of needing Coven online thats got you recomending the cut?
rain marsh
yeah
it's the coven thing, you need 1 2 and 3 a lot of the time for that to go off since so much of the deck is sub-3 power
and something i dont know if you've factored in with that card is you have a lot fewer 1s than 2s or 3s
modern creek
and something i dont know if you've factored in with that card is you have a lot...
I actually hadn't given that a ton of thought, I appreciate your perspective!
rain marsh
😄
modern creek
...So turns out I managed find a [[Kutzil, Malamet]]. Might wanna cut something Betor for that.
modern creek
ATM I'm thinking [[Dragonlord Dromoka]] or [[Beast whisperer]] for MV reasons. Dromoka pressures life totals well though.
modern creek
Note after doing some Terra play testing-
I can definitely afford to cut back on the reanimation, 12 pices that do it is a little much. I think I'll trim 2 or 3 of the creature-only reanimation and see how that feels. Part of the problem may just be that the deck lacks critical mass of payoffs for the reanimation.
modern creek
...So turns out I managed find a [[Kutzil, Malamet]]. Might wanna cut something ...
@rain marsh pinging you for this cause you're online atm, what're your thoughts.
rain marsh
I am driving currently (stuck @ train) will respond in a bit.
rain marsh
i think faithmender for kutzil is an easy swap
i'll look at other things when im home, leaving work now
valid vigil
ETB damage pingers for reanimation could be a good way to capitalize off that.
modern creek
ETB damage pingers for reanimation could be a good way to capitalize off that.
Funny you mention this, the way I was thinking about going forward with Terra was to capitalize on all parts of the process.
Etb, damage, attack, damage, death, damage. Like [[Unquenchable fury]] seems pretty good and [[Vicious Shadows]] is bad but has the kind of text box I'm looking for.
valid vigil
I like [[Agate Instigator]]
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Creature — Lizard Rogue
Offspring (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell. If you do, when this creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
Whenever another creature you control enters, this creature deals 1 damage to each opponent.
1/3
valid vigil
Since in Terra, you can reanimate them and you can even hard cast it for the offspring cost to get two damage pingers.
modern creek
TBH I think full commitment to a pinger gameplan is not very realistic, pinger.dec needs to be able to generate LARGE ammounts of whatever causes the pings, consistency isn't the really the biggest deal. For one thing I'm already doing that in Neriv with [[Impact tremors]]
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pallid zephyr
Terra doesn’t need pingers
modern creek
A pinger deck needs to be able to set up one turn of a burst of pings to close out, or steady increase of the pings turn over turn. Terra can't do that, but it CAN consistently have its creatures entering, attacking, and hitting the yard.
So having every stage of that process put out a little extra damage to face just from the event seems like what this deck needs to push wins through more organically.
Like, if [[Terror of the peaks]] were a 3/5 it'd probably be really good here for that.
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pallid zephyr
I didn’t know Terra was a chiropractor
valid vigil
I understand.
modern creek
@light pivot I would not mind a second opinion on this from ya, always good to get your takes.
rain marsh
After looking at it again, I still think my initial choice is right.
modern creek
After looking at it again, I still think my initial choice is right.
On cutting rhox faithmender for Kutzil?
rain marsh
yeah
I still think that's correct, there's other options though.
The thing with Faithmender is that it does make it easier to get value off of Betor or Lathiel, but that's really all it does and I think you can do better for the slot.
if he gained life himself outside of being a 1/5 lifelink i would see keeping him but he doesn't
modern creek
Hold up I thought of something silly for [[Auntie Ool]]
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modern creek
[[The Ozolith]]
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modern creek
Chat am I cooking???
pallid zephyr
It does say all
rain marsh
You are indeed cooking.
If you're gaming hard enough that's just aristocracy with extra steps
valid vigil
The Ozolith has always been worth it's price.
modern creek
@trim kelp do I force [[Invasion of Mercadia]] into neriv or set it aside with the Jeskai convoke precon stuff I found in my collection
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Kyren Flamewright
Creature — Goblin Spellshaper
, , Discard a card: Create two 1/1 blue and red Elemental creature tokens. Creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn.
Inspired by tales of the legendary hero Squee, many young Kyren goblins strove to emulate his magical skill and courage in the face of danger.
3/3
trim kelp
[[neriv]]
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trim kelp
god dammit
I mean, I will always support at least trying a battle
I suppose its for the backside giving you elementals?
pallid zephyr
<@623727335090290688> do I force [[Invasion of Mercadia]] into neriv or set it a...
Do whatever makes the deck weaker fun
trim kelp
its a battle
The deck can't possibly get worse by adding a battle
pallid zephyr
Look I’m very biased here he can pretty much ignore a good 90% of whatever I say in this thread
modern creek
I suppose its for the backside giving you elementals?
Yep, thought I'd tag the battle guy for thoughts lol
modern creek
Noting this for future reference to add to terra: [[Twinflame Tyrant]]
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modern creek
completely forgot this guy was a 3/5, Terra might have an answer to the "how do I close games in a healthy way for B2" problem now.
pallid zephyr
You could slap in [[blade of selves]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has myriad. (Whenever it attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
Equip
pallid zephyr
I mean, if a lot of your value is ETB based anyway…
modern creek
Oh shit oh fuck you might be onto something, i’ll do a once over for ETBs after work.
pallid zephyr
I might actually have them in Gogo
modern creek
Twinflame?
pallid zephyr
Yes
And I do/did
Unfortunately it looks like I’m also going to use them in Kratos but tbh they’re probably not gonna do as much as they would for Terra
Wait why am I willing to help I have to fight this
modern creek
Your insatiable hunger for deck brewing giveth and taketh away.
modern creek
So I just realized this could be nuts with mardu seigebreaker
pallid zephyr
Oh no
modern creek
Put the tyrant under that, multiply all the damage by 8 if I’m not mistaken?
modern creek
So yeah ggs lmao
modern creek
So 3 becomes 6 becomes 12 becomes 24
valid vigil
Noting this for future reference to add to terra: [[Twinflame Tyrant]]
OMG you are right! That's actually so good offensively and defensively.
Epxensive but worthy addition to her.
modern creek
Nvm I let it happen
I want it known seconds after doing this, this man claimed to have an "innovative" new deck shuffle method.
Said method was just windmill slamming the deck on the table vertically at Mach fuck and playing 99-card pick up.
pallid zephyr
I want it known seconds after doing this, this man claimed to have an "innovativ...
Why are you making it sound like it was on purpose
modern creek
Why are you making it sound like it was on purpose
Because its funny
modern creek
https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/313/blade-of-selves
@trim kelp @light pivot @rain marsh any additional thoughts on if this would be worth? Having trouble making a decision.
trim kelp
For which deck?
pallid zephyr
<@623727335090290688> <@180801337947193345> <@68916583912710144> any additional ...
You literally just added something that gets base boosted by it…
rain marsh
it's probably fine
modern creek
For which deck?
Terra
pallid zephyr
[[mardu seigebreaker]]
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pallid zephyr
Imagine that with myriad
modern creek
Talk about a rules headache enabling interaction…
pallid zephyr
No it makes perfect sense
Step 1: equip BOS to MS
Step 2: swing
Step 3: take Advil exile creatures with ETB’s
Step 4: profit
The real headache is putting the original under one of the tokens
modern creek
…that kinda seems like the optimal play? Put the original under one of the tokens, put that token under the other one, the original leaving brings back whatever was under it, the token exiling the other token causes the original to come back, which exiles the original target again.
Basically get 4 ETBs of whatever I want every turn.
Though tbh MS probably isn’t the best target for blade of selves
pallid zephyr
Counterpoint: it’s funny
modern creek
Better targets are probably the reanimators like the angel
modern creek
Counterpoint: it’s funny
Can’t argue with that
pallid zephyr
You could always use it on Terra, have the original die to the legend rule and bring it back with a different Terra’s effect
Now I don’t know what that would actually accomplish
But you could
trim kelp
Imagine that with myriad
wouldn't be very good
modern creek
Yeah better targets are things like [[Accursed Marauder]] or that 7 mana 3/3 that destroys a permanent.
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trim kelp
Yeah better targets are things like [[Accursed Marauder]] or that 7 mana 3/3 tha...
Meteor Golem
modern creek
Meteor Golem
Yeah that! At work atm couldnt think of the name lol
trim kelp
all good
pallid zephyr
wouldn't be very good
Good, no, hysterical, yes
trim kelp
I happen to be staring at someone else's emry list with one in it
modern creek
So after doing some play testing with Terra after the recent changes, I'm happy to report that the deck can now push through wins a LOT more reliably.
Twilight diviner is frankly absurd here, and putting something like Meteor Golem under Mardu seigebreaker with Gogo and Aurelia out can be potentially game winning on its own with how much it impacts the board. Hitting a sac outlet out with Twilight diviner and some combat reanimation engines going gives so much value I'm thinking I'll have to officially put it into bracket 3 if it gets there too reliably.
pallid zephyr
I would like to protest against this development
Mostly cause I’ll have to deal with it
modern creek
https://moxfield.com/decks/4XWWUPdvBUGME_Hk2gMSIA
So after a handful of games with this list, I've noticed it gets into less social-forward gameplay than I'd like. Not quite solitaire magic, but places where it takes a bunch of game actions for not a ton of impact on the game state. Its also not quite as interactive as I'd really want it to be. Maybe some of y'all have some ideas of how it can be shored up?
modern creek
@light pivot you're the aggro guy, any thoughts on how to give this a bit more of an aggro push? I find a lot of games I kinda...dont attack much.
modern creek
The diplosaurus from the jurassic park stuff?
pallid zephyr
Yeah that one
In a deck as -1 counter placing as AO you might as well consider it as giving your stuff unblockable
modern creek
true
pallid zephyr
You could also add stuff like [[saw in half]] or [[hapatra]]
pallid zephyr
[[Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons]]
pallid zephyr
[[Misfortune]] could be fun
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pallid zephyr
[[Core Prowler]]
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pallid zephyr
Just blight the shit out of it then use the proliferate to nuke everything
modern creek
[[Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons]]
Hapatra is in the deck? It came IN the precon after all.
modern creek
[[Core Prowler]]
ok there you may be on to something
modern creek
[[Misfortune]] could be fun
Maybe? I feel like 9 times out of 10 the answer for them to pick will just be the first option since Auntie would hit them for a chink of damage otherwise, and 4 mana to shrink my board slightly less and gain 4 life doesnt seem worth.
Part of me thinks the answer here might just be to break Devoted druid like the kit kat bar its known to be, and then use some color filterer to let Scorpion god go to town. But that would make this deck have 2 sorta complex infinites...
pallid zephyr
Hapatra is in the deck? It came IN the precon after all.
Oh lmao it is there
modern creek
The current one being AWBO, Nest of scarabs/Flourishing Defenses, Blofly Infestation.
pallid zephyr
[[Flensermite]] + [[chandra’s ignition]]
pallid zephyr
Is [[Glistening Oil]] of any use?
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pallid zephyr
Although if I’m using Captain America I’m obligated to attack whoever’s creature it’s on
modern creek
Is [[Glistening Oil]] of any use?
Maybe? I’m not really wanting too much infect here though, I feel like thats gonna elicit social faux paux up the ass. Though, I already have triumph and vraska…
pallid zephyr
Fair, but also I really wanted to make the Captain America joke
I know 3 pips is a bit of an ask for 3C but [[Shambling Swarm]]
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pallid zephyr
[[Banewhip Punisher]] removal?
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Creature — Human Warrior
When this creature enters, you may put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
, Sacrifice this creature: Destroy target creature that has a -1/-1 counter on it.
"If I die, it will not be alone."
2/2
pallid zephyr
[[Decimator Beetle]] attack trigger to help justify attacking
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pallid zephyr
[[Defiant Greatmaw]] blight it so you can keep blighting something else later?
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pallid zephyr
[[Deity of Scars]] big creature
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Creature — Spirit Avatar
Trample
This creature enters with two -1/-1 counters on it.
, Remove a -1/-1 counter from this creature: Regenerate this creature.
"His skin cuts swords." —The Seer's Parables
7/7
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pallid zephyr
[[Grief Tyrant]]
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pallid zephyr
[[Grim Poppet]]
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pallid zephyr
[[Lichenthrope]] or [[Lockjaw Snapper]] blight shenanigans
pallid zephyr
[[Merciless Javelineer]] aggro/draw engine?
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Creature — Minotaur Warrior
, Discard a card: Put a -1/-1 counter on target creature. That creature can't block this turn.
"My mind is the calm in the midst of the storm, and my javelin the lightning."
4/2
pallid zephyr
[[Morselhoarder]] blight for mana
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light pivot
<@180801337947193345> you're the aggro guy, any thoughts on how to give this a b...
-1/-1 counters as a theme is kinda more controlling. My only real advice is making combat more difficult via stuff like wither
modern creek
Any thoughts/suggestions for this list? Debating between Naya and Bant for a saga brew, wanted to brew in the sandbox a bit.
pallid zephyr
Where’s [[Robe of Stars]]?
dry briarBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +0/+3.
Astral Projection — : Equipped creature phases out. (Treat it and anything attached to it as though they don't exist until its controller's next turn.)
Equip
pallid zephyr
Also [[Bahamut]]
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pallid zephyr
[[Summon:Bahamut]]
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valid vigil
Any thoughts/suggestions for this list? Debating between Naya and Bant for a sag...
I'd personally recommend some picks like [[Day of the Doctor]] [[Tale of Tinuviel]] [[Oath of Eorl]] [[Ian Chesterton]] or [[Barbara Wright]] depending on what you'd prefer to do wth your sagas.
valid vigil
[[Night of the Doctor]] I meant but Day could be an option for card advantage.
valid vigil
[[Chong and Lily, Nomads]] also feels like they were made especially to work with Sigurd.
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valid vigil
[[Dusty Room//Secret Arcade]] could have potential in this deck as well.
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valid vigil
[[Secret Arcade//Dusty Parlor]]
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Dusty Parlor
Enchantment — Room
Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, put a number of +1/+1 counters equal to that spell's mana value on up to one target creature.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)
modern creek
[[Dusty Room//Secret Arcade]] could have potential in this deck as well.
Wait yeah holy cow thats spicy
modern creek
[[Grim Poppet]]
This was in the precon...it does exactly what I'd want, but like...7 mana is A LOT for something that requires other things out to do anything, and isnt directly applying pressure or advantage by itself
pallid zephyr
Fair
modern creek
[[Summon:Bahamut]]
In Ureni already, I want to be minimizing overlap unless its got something specifically strong going for it (like how I use Laelia in Abaddon for GIANT BEATER but use it in things like Neriv or Prosper for additional card advantage).
modern creek
Reporting in on today’s games:
-Holy hell Strefan popped off. Stomped for most of the game, but there was enough back and forth post game discussion felt pretty good. No real complaints, a little debate over if it popped off too hard but the table generally came out of it having had fun.
Roku-sponsored Kratos beats was a wild popoff in hindsight @pallid zephyr please never go that fast again holy shit
Auntie Ool needs more noncreature removal, I have a spare [[Kogla and Yidaro]] I need to find a cut for.
Neriv would probably benefit from [[Teysa Karlov]] for that second line alone, but cutting is tough. Also debating adding [[Kroxa and Kunaros]].
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Legendary Creature — Ape Dinosaur Turtle
When Kogla and Yidaro enters, choose one —
• It gains trample and haste until end of turn.
• It fights target creature you don't control.
, Discard this card: Destroy up to one target artifact or enchantment. Shuffle this card into your library from your graveyard, then draw a card.
7/7
pallid zephyr
Reporting in on today’s games:
-Holy hell Strefan popped off. Stomped for most ...
Instructions unclear, adding [[Shivan dragon]]
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Creature — Dragon
Flying
: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
The undisputed master of the mountains of Shiv.
5/5
pallid zephyr
Also you forgot Koh’s win
modern creek
Eh, Koh wins frequently enough now I don’t feel it needed to mention when it kohmbos off.
pallid zephyr
But my ego
modern creek
@rain marsh Thoughts on a cut for Kogla and Yidaro in Auntie Ool? Your suggestions have been working out well for me so far.
modern creek
https://moxfield.com/decks/4XWWUPdvBUGME_Hk2gMSIA
modern creek
@light pivot if you wanna take a look too I'm always happy to get your thoughts.
rain marsh
I will check it out when I am back in the office
rain marsh
I think it's pretty solidly better than Kulrath Knight, at minimum
being removal or disenchant is pretty great
i do like that we're running the 2 card kill with Tree + Immolation
I also think Obelisk Spider could be improved, it's just worse on the quality side than most things in the deck
also for some reason we're not on scuzzback
but i think that card's crazy
sorry to add a suggestion to the pile
That's my actual opinion though, Kulrath Knight for Yidaro, or if you're attached to Kulrath Knight, it's probably just Obelisk Spider
modern creek
[[Scuzzback]]
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rain marsh
[[Scuzzback Scroung]]
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Creature — Goblin Warrior
At the beginning of your first main phase, you may blight 1. If you do, create a Treasure token. (To blight 1, put a -1/-1 counter on a creature you control. A Treasure token is an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
The only metal polish he uses is blood.
3/2
modern creek
That's my actual opinion though, Kulrath Knight for Yidaro, or if you're attache...
I'm not particularly attached to either, but the spider has been coming in clutch to keep me alive and the knight feels like it'd be kinda preem to lock out opponents just long enough to secure wins. I'm actually considering cutting one of the sorcery card draw sources or one of the basic land fetchers, as in the former case Auntie is drawing me almost more cards than Korvold regularly did, and in the latter case I'm only on 3 basics so with minimal land fall payoff they feel a lot more cuttable.
pallid zephyr
Cut the lands
modern creek
<@68916583912710144> <@180801337947193345> since y'all got me motivated to get t...
Found some cards in my bulk I absolutely would not mind y'alls thoughts on adding into any of my decks:
[[Pia Nalaar, Consul of Revival]] goes in Neriv ASAP, but by the GODS is that list tight.
[[Blood for the blood God!]] has been a card I've been wanting to run but don't know where yet.
Boros Charm seems too good to be missing out on
[[Abstuse Appropriation]] Seems sweet but maybe has the Hurl through hell problem where its too high MV for removal, even with the extra value.
[[Coalstoke gearhulk]] just seems fun, too pip heavy for Terra but I wanna run it somewhere.
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast for each creature that died this turn.
Discard your hand, then draw eight cards. Blood for the Blood God! deals 8 damage to each opponent. Exile Blood for the Blood God!
Skulls for the Skull Throne.
rain marsh
https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/177/abstruse-appropriation
this card is pretty crazy actually but only in games where 4 mana is too much
modern creek
this card is pretty crazy actually but only in games where 4 mana is too much
IKR? [[Hurl through hell]] has a similar problem
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modern creek
That timing restriction is just the death knell of that card even for Prosper
modern creek
Found some cards in my bulk I absolutely would not mind y'alls thoughts on addin...
Oh hey @trim kelp you're on now....thoughts here? I've been pinning my deck lists as I remember to but of the decks in my current rotation that could use any of these: Auntie Ool, Neriv, Terra, Betor, Prosper, Strefan
trim kelp
I support all of those
pallid zephyr
I don’t, don’t make your decks stronger I have to deal with that
modern creek
Yeah the problem I'm running in to with them is I either can't find the cut or can't find the deck they'd go into.
Like, Prosper is bracket 4, I don't think it gets any of these, I only mentioned it because its still in my current rotation. And Strefan is a very thematic list, I dunno if it wants the gearhulk or BftBG
trim kelp
just do a couple temporary cuts
modern creek
Found some cards in my bulk I absolutely would not mind y'alls thoughts on addin...
The more I sit thinking on this the more I think everything here goes in Neriv...y'all wanna help me find cuts?
modern creek
New set means new deck, FINALLY filling out the Orzhov-shaped hole in my deck catalogue I've had since retiring Breena for lack of an engine.
modern creek
@rain marsh You mentioning it in another channel got me thinking, do I stick [[Summon Yojimbo]] in this? Bouncing it with Curio when its at chapter 2 then replaying it keeps the propaganda effect online and the deck is kinda struggling to make enough blockers right now.
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Enchantment Creature — Saga Samurai
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after IV.)
I — Exile target artifact, enchantment, or tapped creature an opponent controls.
II, III — Until your next turn, creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
IV — Create X Treasure tokens, where X is the number of opponents who control a creature with power 4 or greater.
Vigilance
5/5
rain marsh
I think it's worth trying, the card's just extremely good and an enchantment you want to replay multiple times just seems good.
4 mana is a lot but also not that much
modern creek
Yeah card design is definitely helping higher MV lately!
modern creek
New set means new deck, FINALLY filling out the Orzhov-shaped hole in my deck ca...
After EXTENSIVE testing with this, it needs an OVERHAUL and a HALF. Like, I'm almost thinking the precon might be better.
I really need y'all to come in clutch here, this deck has got legs just feels super clunky.
modern creek
Y'all, I pulled both [[Emeritus of Abundance]] and [[ Emeritus of Ideation]]. I dont want to put them BOTH in the same deck, which one goes in Teval and where does the other one go?
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Regrowth
Sorcery
Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
Ancestral Recall
Instant
Target player draws three cards.
rain marsh
https://scryfall.com/card/sos/145/emeritus-of-abundance-regrowth
i think the argument in which abundance doesnt go in Teval is a bad one
pallid zephyr
I mean I’d personally rather he not have free access to his GY but I’m biased
modern creek
https://moxfield.com/decks/-CAhKeaxuEWu_tXNpLDWFg
So I need to find 7 cuts here for new cards from SOS, any one care to help?
pallid zephyr
Obligatory cut Betor joke
modern creek
The new cards in question are probably better share as images than bot command so one moment while get those
pallid zephyr
You could cut Battle beast Ajani (don’t I just wanted to make the joke)
modern creek
pallid zephyr
[[Felothar, Dawn of the Abzan]] how often are you wanting to sacrifice stuff?
modern creek
You could cut ~~Battle beast~~ Ajani (don’t I just wanted to make the joke)
If Ajani is Rakdos in reality fracture (which going by the very cliche'd "polar opposite" style alt versions we've seen he could be) I would want a battle beast alter.
pallid zephyr
I know I’ve played against it but asking questions like that is what helps me with cuts
modern creek
[[Felothar, Dawn of the Abzan]] how often are you wanting to sacrifice stuff?
Thats a good point but it puts stuff in the bin to reanimate...
pallid zephyr
Dina’s guidance puts it in the bin from the deck
modern creek
Yeah, but Felothar growing the board helps push wins through...
pallid zephyr
yeah that’s why I want it gone good point
Cut 7 lands then
No way that goes wrong
Being serious though
[[Bloodtracker]] vs scheming silvertounge
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Creature — Vampire Wizard
Flying
, Pay 2 life: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
When this creature leaves the battlefield, draw a card for each +1/+1 counter on it.
"Flee all you like. The further you run the more firmly I feel your heartbeat."
2/2
modern creek
NO, I ALREADY RUN TOO FEW
I only get away with that because mana positive dorks and a good amount of rocks
modern creek
[[Bloodtracker]] vs scheming silvertounge
ok thats actually a good pick holy hell
pallid zephyr
I have good ideas sometimes
Tbh I feel like leech collector doesn’t really need to be in here if you’re running stuff like felothar
The fact that it can only be prepared once per turn hurts it a bit, but more importantly I don’t recall Betor gaining life off turn too often
I know there’s cards that can do that but the payoffs are usually used on your turn iirc
modern creek
The fact that it can only be prepared once per turn hurts it a bit, but more imp...
TBH its really more in consideration for the prepared spell, hitting everyone for 2 every turn seems decent chip damage.
but yeah I can get behind the logic
pallid zephyr
At the very least I’d save it for last
Some of these are more important than others
Like Dina’s guidance
Question
How often are you getting value out of [[Venat, Heart of Hydaelyn // Hydaelyn, the Mothercrystal]]
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, : Exile target nonland permanent. Transform Venat. Activate only as a sorcery.Hydaelyn, the Mothercrystal
Legendary Creature — God
Indestructible
Blessing of Light — At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on another target creature you control. Until your next turn, it gains indestructible. If that creature is legendary, draw a card.
"For the sake of all, I beseech thee: deliver us from this fate!"
4/4
pallid zephyr
Cause drip king Moeso probably has better synergy with the deck
modern creek
Gonna be real, I put that in the deck to test and have not been able to yet.
pallid zephyr
Get value or use at all?
modern creek
yes
modern creek
Like, ideally it comes down before Betor, then can flip after Betor comes in to help Betor get bigger.
pallid zephyr
Or
modern creek
So cut it
Brother I have yet to even test the card I at least wanna see it play out before it goes...
pallid zephyr
I mean, I’ve had decks that I wanted to see a specific card play out
It…hasn’t lead me down good places being locked in on a specific combo
pallid zephyr
Like, ideally it comes down before Betor, then can flip after Betor comes in to ...
It’s also just as likely that someone me gets it removed before it can flip
Moeso can get you back steve very quickly
Or priest of Satan fell rites
Or like, almost any creature in your deck
modern creek
@rain marsh interested to hear your thoughs if you've got some
rain marsh
will get to it in a bit, im mid primer work and in the zone
pallid zephyr
@modern creek I WAS RIGHT ABOUT MOESO
pallid zephyr
I’m claiming it as being right
rain marsh
ah, to be siblings
being clear i think the biggest upgrade here is literally just being able to not run Duneblast anymore
Vicious Rivalry is so much better than Duneblast it's massive
it's pernicious deed but you can pay life instead of a million mana, i'm just always on that now if im you
I do actually like Dissertation over Bloodtracker though, it's just a more consistent draw engine
pallid zephyr
ok thats actually a good pick holy hell
^
rain marsh
a burst of draw is nice but you can also just get it swords'd, they cannot swords your Dissertation, they need to counter it immediately or the value is nonexistent for answering it later
but also i think if you're not going to swap those i would just not run dissertation probably
modern creek
1) Are we sure we need Dissertation? It's a cool draw engine, but I'm unsure how...
...Wow oh wow Pell you have come in clutch, I think I'm vibing with your thoughts here.
Lemme see if I have your assesment right:
Blood Tracker ---> Dissertation
Venat possibly ----> Moseo
Duneblast ---> Vicious Rivalry
Grasp ---> Charm
Skip the rest?
rain marsh
yeah
and then if you have a redundancy creature later you don't like, swap it for the tutor
(swap the input/output to infernal grasp -> witherbloom charm to keep it consistent 😛 )
and actually to be honest i kinda prefer abrupt decay over either grasp or charm
but charm is really good so you might as well test it
modern creek
and then if you have a redundancy creature later you don't like, swap it for the...
Funny you mention this, I have been kinda finding Disciple of Bolas to under preform
rain marsh
then there you go
modern creek
I come seeing aid in finding 2 cuts here for Emeritus of Conflict and Steal the show
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Lightning Bolt
Instant
Lightning Bolt deals 3 damage to any target.
modern creek
RN I'm leaning towards Archetype of Aggression for the emeritus, but I'm lost on a possible cut for Steal the show.
modern creek
Ya know, I should probably remember to jot down my game notes here before I forget…
Adding the red emeritus to Seifer was indeed the play, holy shit was it awesome. Going “bolt, J-Will, grab the prize, bolt again” to kill a Illuna mutated onto Wolverine was a RUSH. And just having reusable bolt felt real good- its just enough value to work in commander but not so much people feel like they HAVE to remove it.
Auntie Ool kinda flopped but bad draws ‘ll do that and it still got to do cool things.
I need to be better at pioting Niko though, getting my commander removed 3 turns in a row was rough and I should have been better able to pivot to a different game plan.
pallid zephyr
Add more protection
modern creek
Oh i have plenty of blink, I just needed to be less “play it asap” and more “wait till i can hold up mana for protection”
modern creek
https://moxfield.com/decks/7X4Y0gkutEmtYwKNm5y16A
I need 4 cuts here if any of y'all have thoughts
