Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

[tall blaze]

I love it in tidus, removing the first counter every turn and just ramping a land over and over

[sand island]

Mossborn hydra is similar too

[tall blaze]

How do we feel about shadowspear

Tempted to cut it

It's great for getting though with a big fatty when people have blockers

And it can be found with urzas saga or bright glass gearhulk

Also lifelink is nice

But... slots are hard and it doesn't do anything specifically counters based or draw based

[pastel agate]

I like it but it’s kind of a pet card

[sand island]

I mean, it's just generically good.

I'd cut it

[tall blaze]

Yeah same here, I like it a lot but I think it would be happier in vivi

And I don't feel like buying a second

[pastel agate]

Trueee trye

[wintry pine]

Anyone here have brewed [[Terra, Magical Adept]] OR [[Yuna, Hope of Spira]] ?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/245/terra-magical-adept-esper-terra

Terra, Magical Adept <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard Warrior
When Terra enters, mill five cards. Put up to one enchantment card milled this way into your hand.
Trance — , : Exile Terra, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.
4/2

Esper Terra
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Saga Wizard
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I, II, III — Create a token that's a copy of target nonlegendary enchantment you control. It gains haste. If it's a Saga, put up to three lore counters on it. Sacrifice it at the beginning of your next end step.
IV — Add , , , , and . Exile Esper Terra, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
Flying
6/6

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/250/yuna-hope-of-spira

Yuna, Hope of Spira <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
During your turn, Yuna and enchantment creatures you control have trample, lifelink, and ward .
At the beginning of your end step, return up to one target enchantment card from your graveyard to the battlefield with a finality counter on it. (If a permanent with a finality counter on it would be put into a graveyard from the battlefield, exile it instead.)
3/5

[tall blaze]

I looked at terra but it feels too much like generic 5 colour good stuff enchantments.

I thought about Yuna but 5cmc and it doesn't have ward outside your turn, no thanks

[wintry pine]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too but also who cares it should be about fun in commander right? 🙂
I'm currently building Yuna and try her out but probably will convert into Terra after a few games since I dont have a 5c Commander at the moment 🙂

[sand island]

Whoever mentioned Tidus being way better than bumble as a +1/+1 deck was right.

[tall blaze]

Yup

Proliferate on the commander

But I'm a bumble loyalist so

Maybe I put tidus in the 99 and make the deck have him as an alt commander

[sand island]

It's just so much easier to go tall or wide with him

I'm not really too interested in pursuing the counters route with her tbh

[pastel agate]

I’m converting bumble back to flurry/slightly huggy

https://moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

[sand island]

Yeah, that's what I'm going to do too

[tall blaze]

What do you do with her

[tall blaze]

Why is that

[sand island]

I'm going to do a more huggy draw out plan

[[folio of fancies]] going in

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/46/folio-of-fancies

Folio of Fancies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
Players have no maximum hand size.
, : Each player draws X cards.
, : Each opponent mills cards equal to the number of cards in their hand.

[pastel agate]

Well mostly because I wanna make Tidus my +1/+1 counters deck, but also I like how Bumble played back then

[tall blaze]

it was stronger back then too right

free counterspells!

[pastel agate]

Yeah, it's got fierce guardianship but I've always had that in there

Now I also get Subtlety and Solitude

[wintry pine]

I would love to see a Tidus +1/+1 from one of the Bumble Geeks since I'm looking for a +1/+1 counter Deck and I would assume much of the Bumble Cards I could keep so low invest again ? 😮

[tall blaze]

I mean most counters bumble lists with him at the helm will work well

[wintry pine]

Yeah I know but I'm just bad or to big of a overthinker to build decks 😄

[teal peak]

Dang this chat is popping should I pick up the precon for this ?

[pastel agate]

Yup! It’s a very fun commander now matter how you build it. Check out the pinned messages for several decklists

[spring narwhal]

Hey guys this isn’t really a deck thing but still related to bumbleflower. Do you guys think that the Raised foil Anime Ms Bumbleflower will go down in price or just continue to maintain its high price point?

I’m looking to selling mine but many people keep telling me to hold on to it, I’d like some advice from the professionals

[sand island]

I don't think any of us are professionals in card price speculation, nor should anyone claim to be. However, I expect the price to drop as she gets less popular over time. It has already dropped from when Umaru got it.

[spring narwhal]

Are they still making that card?

[spring narwhal]

And who is Umaru?

[sand island]

A regular here. I'm not sure if they're still printing bloomburrow stuff.

[solemn hamlet]

I do wonder if the artist for the raised foil ever sold the artist proofs. I woulda grabbed one of those 😭

[pastel agate]

Not to my knowledge

[pastel agate]

I can say that historically, she jumped all the way up to 800 but has largely settled at ~$600-$650.

Hard to say what it’ll do now

[pastel agate]

They are, standard sets stay in print

[sand island]

Ah gotcha

[spring narwhal]

I see! To my knowledge of the MTG, I am not sure why only her card is so high compared to the other raised foils in the set too. I never understood that

[pastel agate]

Just kinda how popular she was. She is the second most popular commander from the set.

[spring narwhal]

That makes sense. And you said that they are still printing bloomberrow, does that include the raised foil bumbleflower too in the Collector boosters too?

[pastel agate]

Not to mention her art was the best out of all of them, especially in contrast to her normal one

[spring narwhal]

thats facts though

[pastel agate]

As far as I know yes

I don’t really track it much

[spring narwhal]

when do sets usually stop getting printed historically?

I am starting to see that there is so many things that I do not know lol

[pastel agate]

When they rotate out of Standard

[pastel agate]

Kinda comes with the territory unfortunately

[wintry pine]

But isnt this artwork only available in collector boosters?
As far as I know they will only restock play booster since its a standard legal set ?
In the past we saw (started with lost caverns of ixalan) that they made collecting worth again ? 🙂
in my opinion the price should remain the same and i think the same will Happen with the surge foils from FF no ?

[tall blaze]

Ugh I'm really considering dumping bumbleflower for Tidus so I can go for a more varied approach

Can include sagas and stuff

I can't bring myself to have two counters-based bant commanders

[wintry pine]

Considerung the Same 👀

[sand island]

smh

[tall blaze]

Variety of counters, proliferate is fun, card draw which is actually card positive

Bumbleflower draw is fake draw

[sand island]

It's creative draw

[tall blaze]

Maybe I make bumble more control draw go

But then I am not sure what the win con is

[sand island]

+1s are just added bonuses tbh

Tidus is more straightforwardly a +1/+1 build around, but with bunny you can get creative

[tall blaze]

Tidus is actually an all counters matter commander more

Which I like

[sand island]

He's just more straightforward and 1d

Better for counters though, yeah

[tall blaze]

Disagree, he has a lot of flexibility since he cares about any kind of counters

So he can do sagas, planeswalkers etc

You don't even need any +1/+1s

[sand island]

Yeah true, not just +1 counters

[tall blaze]

He is counters focused, but that's a very broad area

Bumbleflower is just a value engine

[tall blaze]

Yeah maybe I'll go back to the doublespell instant-based approach

And hope I find a win con somewhere

[sand island]

You win by not losing 😎

[sand island]

I'm thinking about making bumbleflower a type of bear force one deck

I have this [[sandwurm convergence]] sitting around

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/195/sandwurm-convergence

Sandwurm Convergence <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Creatures with flying can't attack you or planeswalkers you control.
At the beginning of your end step, create a 5/5 green Wurm creature token.
Cantankerous and territorial, sandwurms claim even the skies above their dunes.

[pastel agate]

That would be pretty funny lol

[sand island]

Was anyone running [[ivory tower]]?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/269/ivory-tower

Ivory Tower <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
At the beginning of your upkeep, you gain X life, where X is the number of cards in your hand minus 4.
Valuing scholarship above all else, the inhabitants of the Ivory Tower reward those who sacrifice power for knowledge.

[pastel agate]

Nah, not worth

Would rather give a creature lifelink

[clear aspen]

I ran ivory tower today actually speak of the devil and it was super good cause I was facing a draw/mill deck and I had like a 50 card hand! Was a super fun game I actually barely eeked out a win by top decking two removal spells needed to win

With frantic search

[sly torrent]

First game win with my new Bumbleflower deck I finally got together

[pastel agate]

Let’s go!!

Arwen is so busted

[sly torrent]

Yes very

[sly torrent]

Also fogs are very good

[sand island]

[[arwen weaver of hope]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/35/arwen-weaver-of-hope

Arwen, Weaver of Hope <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Each other creature you control enters with a number of additional +1/+1 counters on it equal to Arwen's toughness.
From afar, Arwen watched over Aragorn, and in hope, she made for him a great and kingly standard.
2/1

[sand island]

I think I also want to lean into flurry stuff

The decklist feels soooo tight though

[sly torrent]

I need a few games before I change anything, but I like how my list played out so far. Very low cmc and counters support making everything huge.

Marneus Calgar is the best flurry commander if you ask me

[sand island]

I'm just a little discouraged after seeing Tidus be sooo much better at counters

Not that I really leaned into counters stuff too much

[sly torrent]

meh

No evasion

Bumble's giving flying is so good

I killed two people with commander damage she's so good at stomping

Tidus also needs dedicated card slots to produce counters where bumble does not

[tall blaze]

This is how I feel. My bumble is my premium deck and I feel like I have to just drop her

I could even just swap Tidus in as the commander and probably be better off

[sand island]

You have to do a lot more work as bumble imo

[sly torrent]

I think they are just totally different commanders

Bumble's I think is best as a low cmc deck with lots of instants and control

[sand island]

Yeah, I wouldn't say Tidus is "strictly better", as that's not really a thing.

[tall blaze]

I discovered I have a [[generous pup]] lying around which I need to find a slot for

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/j25/4/generous-pup

Generous Pup <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Dog
Vigilance
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control. This ability triggers only once each turn.
They communicate via the universal language of treats.
2/2

[tall blaze]

If you build her like that then sure

[sly torrent]

Moving a single counter and drawing a single card per turn seems meh. Bumbles can make tons of counters per turn easily. I feel like I'm missing something with how Tidus is better

[tall blaze]

But like I've built her as a pure counters commander

Which Tidus does better imo

[sly torrent]

oh then yea

[tall blaze]

Heck I'm tempted to build a vorinclex

[sly torrent]

You need to lean into what Bumbles does, which I think the precon did a bad job at

My list is 162 CMC

[sand island]

The precon is alright tbh

[tall blaze]

My original bumble list was more flurry like

But I found I would just control the board and durdle

Going heavy on counters gave me a win con

[sly torrent]

[[ahau]] might be the best pure counters commander

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “ahau”, can you be more specific?

[sly torrent]

[[Sovereign Okinec Ahau]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/240/sovereign-okinec-ahau

Sovereign Okinec Ahau <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Noble
Ward
Whenever Sovereign Okinec Ahau attacks, for each creature you control with power greater than that creature's base power, put a number of +1/+1 counters on that creature equal to the difference.
As surface empires send their explorers down, his hungry eyes look upward.
3/4

[sand island]

My wincon is [[laboratory maniac]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/71/laboratory-maniac

Laboratory Maniac <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead.
His mind whirled with grand plans, never thinking of what might happen if he were to succeed.
2/2

[sly torrent]

Really? I'm surprised you can't just commander damage the table before drawing out

Lab Man seems slow compared to how quickly you can just win through damage

[sand island]

Depends on your deck obviously

But bumble doesn't grow that fast

[sly torrent]

If you have a counter doubler or two in play and cast 2+ spells a turn, you are easily putting 4-6 counters per turn

Let alone adding more on other people's turns with instants

[sand island]

I meannnn

If your table lets you just sit around with a few counter doublers then...

[tall blaze]

If they let you get and keep multiple counter doublers

They deserve to lose

[sand island]

I think counter doublers are mostly bad anyways tbh. If we're talking like [[doubling season]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/216/doubling-season

Doubling Season <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If an effect would create one or more tokens under your control, it creates twice that many of those tokens instead.
If an effect would put one or more counters on a permanent you control, it puts twice that many of those counters on that permanent instead.

[sly torrent]

I don't

I mean like hardened scales or Kami

[sand island]

Yeah, those are good

[sly torrent]

so counters adders, not doublers I suppose

I think they can easily skirt under the radar depending on what other people are doing

[sand island]

Effectively double if you're only adding 1

[sly torrent]

and then all of a sudden Bumbles can 2 shot people

[sand island]

I think there's a step missing

People having flyers or removal for bumble isn't uncommon

[sly torrent]

sure, but when she gets big and has huge toughness and vigilance, let them sacrficie their blockers

or if you are playing bumbles as semi control, must remove their fliers or counter/protect bumbles

[sand island]

And by that time Tidus will have 7 creatures with +10/+10 from proliferating them every turn

[sly torrent]

Maybe, but then he's also weak to them just removing your source of counters to begin with, then he does nothing

nor does he incentivize running a lot of interaction like bumbles does

just totally different decks really

And I stil think Ahau is better than Tidus if that's your goal. My bro has an Ahau deck and he routinely has hundreds of counters on his creatures

doubling the counters every attack is way better than a single proliferate

Sure you lose blue and don't have as easy draw, but I don't think that's a huge problem in green/white

[sand island]

I'm jsut saying, if you want to do a straightforward counters deck, Tidus is probably better

And that's discouraged me from doing counters stuff with bumble

He also has some interesting stuff in moving lore counters or other counters you want off of permanents

[sly torrent]

that would be more interesting imo

different counters types

[sly torrent]

Possibly. That's why I run bumbles as control/counters

I don't have any other decks that are super interactive with 20+ instants. So bumbles scratches a different itch

Nor have I ever played group hug before, so I wanted to give that a try

[sand island]

I'm planning on remaking to be more group hug

With Kros, Generous Patron, Nils, and the new whale guy that steals counters

Put counters on opponent's stuff, goad them and pillowfort yourself, then steal all the counters, or board wipe, or similar

[sly torrent]

lol

love it

[sand island]

I also want to lean into [[folio of fancies]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/46/folio-of-fancies

Folio of Fancies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
Players have no maximum hand size.
, : Each player draws X cards.
, : Each opponent mills cards equal to the number of cards in their hand.

[sand island]

Cards are so tight though

It's hard to replace things

"Mill them out" plan is a serious consideration if you run [[forced fruition]] (me)

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

[sly torrent]

I should prob find room for Tidus in Bumbles though. I haven't look at all the FF cards

[[kutzil]] seems a maybe cut for Tidus

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “kutzil”, can you be more specific?

[sly torrent]

[[Kutzil, Malamet Exemplar]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/232/kutzil-malamet-exemplar

Kutzil, Malamet Exemplar <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior
Your opponents can't cast spells during your turn.
Whenever one or more creatures you control each with power greater than its base power deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
"Invaders in the West Chasm? Give me an hour and they'll be fungus food."
3/3

[sly torrent]

or [[bident of thassa]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/146/bident-of-thassa

Bident of Thassa <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment Artifact
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you may draw a card.
, : Creatures your opponents control attack this turn if able.
The wills of mortals shift as the tide ebbs and flows.

[sly torrent]

https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

[sand island]

Bident seems mostly bad, depending on how many cheap evasive creatures you have already

But kutzil is good

[sly torrent]

yea, I think bident is the better cut

[sly torrent]

[[Grateful Apparition]] and [[Thrummingbird]] could be good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/824/grateful-apparition

Grateful Apparition <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Spirit
Flying
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player or planeswalker, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/858/thrummingbird

Thrummingbird <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Phyrexian Bird Horror
Flying
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
1/1

[sly torrent]

I’ve only played one game so far, so I’d need to test more, but [[Exploration]] did little and [[Burgeoning]] did nothing

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/159/exploration

Exploration <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
The first explorers found Argoth a storehouse of natural wealth—towering forests grown over rich veins of ore.

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/143/burgeoning

Burgeoning <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent plays a land, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
The first vine shows the others where to grow.

[sand island]

Interesting. Those both seem so bonkers tbh

Especially since we have so much card draw and a full hand

[sly torrent]

Right? I guess I somehow didn’t draw enough extra lands when it mattered

Didn’t really need the extra mana even if I did. I had so many lands already

[pastel agate]

I've run exploration and burgeoning in most of my bumble iterations

For sure exploration

I think I took burgeoning out because it drew too much ire initially

[sand island]

Burgeoning honestly just seems so good

[sly torrent]

It didn't get any additional lands into play, but that's only a sample size of one game

[pastel agate]

As the opposite end of that, I once kept a 6 land and a burgeoning hand. I had two bounce lands in that hand.

Needless to say I had more mana than sense

[tall blaze]

I never have enough lands in hand to benefit from burgeoning or exploration

[sly torrent]

Yea i think the proliferate cards will do more. Especially with how low my cmc is, the extra few lands isn’t even that helpful

[tall blaze]

Cracked stuff coming out of EOE

[boreal schooner]

This is a leak

[formal ruin]

https://moxfield.com/decks/jzeOCK74zUe5USg9VkaoFw

This my current deck

Not updated since brackets

[formal ruin]

wait

this deck could be bracket 2

if I didnt have smother tithe

hows that right

[tall blaze]

That's not quite how brackets work

[formal ruin]

what I mean is, that most likely means the decks underpowered

[sly torrent]

I built mine with no game changers, but it’s def not bracket 2

[wintry pine]

@pastel agate Hey there 🙂
Since I have seen some bling from your Landbase already I wonder if you or someone else has a basic land cycle in mind to match these shocklands in this list? I know my fetches are somehow off but the few basics I want to include I wonder if there is a Art or Set matching these:
https://archidekt.com/decks/14130845/terra_crazy_fingers

https://scryfall.com/card/exp/15/breeding-pool

[clear aspen]

Should I trade this baby for the raised foil bumble?

[sand island]

I wouldn't

[pastel agate]

Yea, that thing is so ugly

[pastel agate]

Can always just go with the OG zendikar/Rise of the Eldrazi/ZNR full arts

I use Kamigawa full arts

[sand island]

wtf that sphinx is not ugly

[wintry pine]

Yeah I was thinking about them too or the 2XM lands 🙂

[pastel agate]

I think that font on these full art cards is generally pretty ugly

It’s a much more stylistic card than most of the odd arts, but I’d still prefer bumble personally

[sand island]

Yeah, the thick border they have to put on the text is ugly

[sand island]

I think I want to do a hand size hate deck actually

otag:hand-size-hate

Using folio of fancies and [[dreamborn muse]], maybe [[fractured identity]] on it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/41/dreamborn-muse

Dreamborn Muse <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player mills X cards, where X is the number of cards in their hand.
"Her voice is insight, piercing and true." —Ixidor, reality sculptor
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/37/fractured-identity

Fractured Identity <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile target nonland permanent. Each player other than its controller creates a token that's a copy of it.
Self-reflection is not without its perils.

[sand island]

And using [[sword of war and peace]] - Maybe I have a use for my shield!

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/300/sword-of-war-and-peace

Sword of War and Peace <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, this Equipment deals damage to that player equal to the number of cards in their hand and you gain 1 life for each card in your hand.
Equip

[pastel agate]

That’s a very funny idea

[sand island]

I'm a funny guy 😎

I'd totally put [[forced fruition]] back in too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

[sand island]

[[black vise]] is kinda funny

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/191/black-vise

Black Vise <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose an opponent.
At the beginning of the chosen player's upkeep, this artifact deals X damage to that player, where X is the number of cards in their hand minus 4.

[sand island]

Actually, wtf that's awesome

[pastel agate]

Bumblers

This card is nuts

Especially if your playgroup is very interactive

Counterspells, removal, even random triggered abilities

[sand island]

Yeah it is

[sly torrent]

I feel like it could go either way in a game. Either do nothing or go off

I tend to prefer triggers I'm in control of vs. relying on my opponents tbh

[pastel agate]

True, this is playgroup dependent

[glossy fox]

Damn this is still popular

[sand island]

The bunny is eternal

[teal peak]

Bro my LGS charge $35 on the precon last week

Now it’s $65

What’s up with this bunny

[sand island]

The bunny is bumpin

[teal peak]

It put +1/+1 counter on the price tag ?

[sly torrent]

I'm 2-0 with Bumbles so far

Amazing how scary a board of 3 drops can get

[tall blaze]

I don't have many 3 drops in bumble

4 seems like the magic number

[sly torrent]

164 total CMC

[pastel agate]

Lol mine is weird

[boreal schooner]

Why is that weird?

[pastel agate]

Compared to most bumbleflower decks - they tend lower curve but mine’s much more midrange

[boreal schooner]

Ok, it's the bump at 4 and a higher plateau

[tribal temple]

This is my spread.

I do find that my bumble is turning into just a 4 cost matters deck lol. Every card I want to add is typically a 4mv card

[pastel agate]

Welp, welcome in again [[alisaie leveilleur]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/9/alisaie-leveilleur

Alisaie Leveilleur <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elf Wizard
Partner with Alphinaud Leveilleur (When this creature enters, target player may put Alphinaud Leveilleur into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
First strike
Dualcast — The second spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
3/2

[tribal temple]

I just added those partners, have you guys been liking them?

This is going to sound weird but I feel like sometimes I have too much draw in my deck 😅

[pastel agate]

I haven’t had the opportunity to cast them yet

[sand island]

Same as Umaru

[tribal temple]

I only cause the blue one so far

[sand island]

Also, just make draw your win con 😎

[pastel agate]

Remember with Partner With you tutor the other one!

[tribal temple]

Here is the list ive been running since I dont think ive shared it for a while.

https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower

Ive removed some of the more toxic cards like Hullbreaker and Glen Elendra. The decks has gotten more fun and people seem to face it more since I cant just lock them out

[tribal temple]

I like smashing face as my win con!

bumble and so many of her cards provide so much incremental draw ive been cutting a few to add other enablers. Im at the point where I need to add more unlimited handsize like my Council of four deck lol

[pastel agate]

The bottom of the dunning-krueger curve is a nice place to be fr

The realization that while Hullbreaker and Glen Elendra are good, they put a huge target on your back you won’t be ready to face most of the time

[tribal temple]

yeah and It also just sucked the wind out of the table. In 1v1 locking someone out is a lot more fun. In commander I dont enjoy that play style so much.

[sand island]

I still need to revamp my list.

Tough when there are so many exciting things coming out/ having just come out

[tribal temple]

yeah this was the first time I updated bumble in almost 6 months

last time I ordered cards was right before foundations.

[sand island]

I have a new control deck, so I was going to make her into a deck-out deck with more group hug qualities

Did you also catch [[tataru taru]] from FF?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/30/tataru-taru

Tataru Taru <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Advisor
When Tataru Taru enters, you draw a card and target opponent may draw a card.
Scions' Secretary — Whenever an opponent draws a card, if it isn't that player's turn, create a tapped Treasure token. This ability triggers only once each turn.
0/3

[tribal temple]

Just got 2 Tataru yesterday. Haven't gotten a chance to put her in yet

I also picked up a [[Sazh Katzroy]] but havent found a spot yet for him. Im not sure hes worth it. Might be a win more card

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/199/sazh-katzroy

Sazh Katzroy <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Pilot
When Sazh Katzroy enters, you may search your library for a Bird or basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Whenever Sazh Katzroy attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature, then double the number of +1/+1 counters on that creature.
"Chocobo, we just can't catch a break, can we?"
3/3

[sand island]

He's good for ledger or mockingbird

But yeah, probably cuttable

Since card slots are so precious

[tribal temple]

Ive been wanting to make a deck with [[Doppelgang]] and [[Mass Manipulation]] but finding a non generic simic/temur deck is hard. Those cards have not much in common outside of both being my favorite

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/198/doppelgang

Doppelgang <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
For each of X target permanents, create X tokens that are copies of that permanent.
"Suspect spotted at the Tin Street Market, Yescu Street entrance. And the Oak Street entrance. And somehow also in Lobar Alley!" —Avult of the Foundway Associates

https://scryfall.com/card/rna/42/mass-manipulation

Mass Manipulation <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Gain control of X target creatures and/or planeswalkers.
Those who cross the Dimir find enemies everywhere they turn.

[sand island]

I looove doppelgang

[tribal temple]

where do you run it?

[sand island]

60card, rip

[tribal temple]

ah 😦

[sand island]

Agreed it's tough to find a commander place for it lol

[pastel agate]

Yes

[tribal temple]

Mass manipulation was my favorite deck when I played standard back before Oko and field of the dead made me quit 60 card forever

[pastel agate]

#1268557458767614043 message

[sand island]

I've been meaning to look at that

but powerpoint

[pastel agate]

Fixed

[sand island]

[pastel agate]

@tall blaze i think I forgot to post this way back when but here’s a pdf version of the fin/fic set review

[tribal temple]

I dont think I have ever seen a community that puts so much effort into their commander XD

[pastel agate]

I really need to get more games w/ her

I feel like I need to get a better idea of the current vision of my deck

[tribal temple]

If you need a way to track your games check my app 👀 its how ive been tracking my bumble games

[sly torrent]

I will be adding [[Terrasymbiosis]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/210/terrasymbiosis

Terrasymbiosis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, you may draw that many cards. Do this only once each turn.
For Eumidians, terraforming and evolution are one and the same. They grow as their planet grows, in lockstep coexistence.

[pastel agate]

It is basically a cheaper [[Danny pink]], but i wonder if Danny is better in this case

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/39/danny-pink

Danny Pink <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Advisor
Mentor (Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature with lesser power.)
Creatures you control have "Whenever one or more counters are put on this creature for the first time each turn, draw a card."
"I don't want to see more things. I want to see the things in front of me more clearly."
4/3

[pastel agate]

Because we’re not putting a lot of counters on all at once

[sly torrent]

I'll run both

It's still basically better phyrexian arena

[pastel agate]

Fair

[sly torrent]

The cost reducers prob aren't worth it in my list at 163 CMC

I do run Tataru in Ratadrabik. Pretty gross to make multiple copies of haha.

I haven't got Glen Elendra out in a game yet, but I'm interested to see how my playgroup reacts to such dastardly plans

I have a friend that runs Vorinclex, so I'm not gonna feel bad for what I do him

[sly torrent]

Gestures in [[arwen, weaver of hope]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/35/arwen-weaver-of-hope

Arwen, Weaver of Hope <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Each other creature you control enters with a number of additional +1/+1 counters on it equal to Arwen's toughness.
From afar, Arwen watched over Aragorn, and in hope, she made for him a great and kingly standard.
2/1

[pastel agate]

I know about Arwen, but you’re not gonna see that all the time, and you still gotta stack counters on her first

I will say though, they’ve been piling the Arwen-esque effects on recently

[sly torrent]

To me it's basically better Phyrexian Arena. It's like to draw at least one card per turn cycle if not more. I'm likely cutting Mangara for it. He's been outclassed recently imo in terms of consistent draw.

[pastel agate]

Yeah, if you’re not running both mangara is basically just a worse trouble in pairs

[sly torrent]

which I am running

Especially now that it's no longer a GC. I'm not running any GCs in my deck.

[wintry pine]

Any thoughts on another +1/+1 Bant Commander?
I think I will rebuild my since the political aspect doesn't work in my pod 😄

[sand island]

Tidus is an obvious one

[wintry pine]

Currently thinking about Sparra the Bird or Tidus? 😮

[pastel agate]

Falco Spara is really really good

I might be switching over to that off of Tidus, it’s a pretty direct swap too

[wintry pine]

Oh okay that sounds nice 🙂
Currently working on a Sparra Decklist does anyone already got one as inspo?
In EoE is a lot of +1/+1 support 😮

[pastel agate]

[[falco spara]]

Scryfall is having a time rn

[sand island]

Diefall

RIP

[wintry pine]

Not sure if this list of Falco belongs here but this is my brew with 2 Cards missing and probably waiting for EoE since there is a lot of support in the set but not sure if I run to few creatures for a +1/+1 Deck 😮
https://archidekt.com/decks/14568799/spara_math_genie

[pastel agate]

Man I keep forgetting falco is 4 mana

He’s neater than I thought

[sly torrent]

Had an insane game with Bumbles last night. Went 2 hours and probably like 20 turns. I do kinda like how Bumbles enables everyone to do some crazy stuff.

Tough to pilot though with wanting to double spell every turn and hold up mana for interaction. It's definitely a deck you have to think about.

I did eventually get taken out, but I probably could have played it better towards the end and used more removal. I got too greedy.

[pastel agate]

That’s one reason I like bumble

[sly torrent]

I kinda like how she's counters, control, and politics

[pastel agate]

Lots of decision points that significantly change the game

Her as a control list is really, really fun

[sly torrent]

Of course the player I fed a billion cards to early because they were way behind and less scary ended up beign the person that won haha

[pastel agate]

Ofc ofc, always something to consider

What’s your method of handing out cards?

[sly torrent]

My list is definitely skewed into control

I usually give them to whoever is less scary both from a board state presense but also a deck archtype

if that's a wash, then I might try to make deals

Like I'm not gonna feed cards to the combo player

[pastel agate]

True - I try to analyze based on the board state plus who benefits from individual card draw more

One friend has a Morophon Avatars deck and I cannot possibly give that deck cards

[sly torrent]

It is funny though that it's become basically my only deck that knocks players out with commander damage. Not something you'd expect from a "Group hug" deck

[pastel agate]

It’s crazy how quickly she gets to that point though

[sly torrent]

Especially if you have a counter added like Kami and a way to repeatedly cast something like View from Above. You can instant speed make her lethal.

So easy to just add like 10 counters at once

[pastel agate]

Hiw has view been for you as compare to just running something like shrieking drake?

Like extra 1 mana per cast is not insignificant

[sly torrent]

Drake doesn’t have flash. Can’t use it on other turns to enable double spell draw

[pastel agate]

True true

[sly torrent]

[[Whiremane Lion]] is better

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/35/whitemane-lion

Whitemane Lion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
Flash
When this creature enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
Saltfield nomads call a sudden storm a "whitemane."
2/2

[pastel agate]

Wait

[[view from above]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/con/38/view-from-above

View from Above <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn. If you control a white permanent, return View from Above to its owner's hand.
"This air feels so heavy and thick. There are no winds to speak of. I fear the knowledge that comes from a place like this."

[pastel agate]

hmmmm this could be used politically too

[sly torrent]

Yea you could surprise give evasion to other peoples stuff

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

anything sticking out as a cut for view?

I might give it a try

[sly torrent]

It also basically reads, four mana draw 2

Being able to do that every turn is awesome if you have the mana

[pastel agate]

Lol, I can see it now - someone swings with the intention of bouncing off another opponent’s creature and before blocks you give it flying so it slams into the opponent instead

[sly torrent]

Right? It can be a surprise for both of them

I haven't even looked at them yet and I immediately quesiton 4 planeswalkers in your list

I just dont think planeswalkers are good in commander. So vulnerable

Although I suppose Bumbles is a really good blocker that you basically always have up

[pastel agate]

Bumble is a good blocker, and these planeswalkers have been particularly chosen (other than bunny tamiyo) because they do something relevant as soon as they come down

Bunny tamiyo stays in because bunny

[sly torrent]

haha of course

[pastel agate]

And jace is for when I deck out, which can happen when games go even a little long

[sly torrent]

have you actually decked out before?

[pastel agate]

I’ve gotten close many times

Deck has a lot of draw in it. Plus, he serves as an extra draw engine outside that

Buuut I could be fine without it

Oh! If I end up with a small deck, [[nexus of fate]] goes infinite

Jace gets me the win from there easier, though ig so does bumble

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[sly torrent]

It is also kinda funny if you lose to decking yourself

that's almost an accomplishment

[pastel agate]

True true

Alright, you’ve convinced me

[sly torrent]

view from above is effectively a draw spell in Bumbles, so you can look at replacing other draw effects as a fair swap

[pastel agate]

I have a LOT of stuff that synergizes with me drawing my second card/an opponent drawing their second card too

Maybe I should run a couple of cute engines with bumble. Like whitemane

I really dislike cards that ONLY work with the commander, but when they synergize as well as this it might be too good to pass up

[sly torrent]

Yea white mane is crazy good with bumbles. Double spelling every turn for 4 mana is pretty op

[pastel agate]

Maybe it’s time I cut big shark

The lifegain is SO good but whitemane might just be too effective

[sly torrent]

Granted I’ve only played 3 games so far with her, but I haven’t had lack of beaters be an issue

Hell, I only have one 5 drop in my list haha

[pastel agate]

I also wanna find a spot for wave goodbye

[pastel agate]

My curve is top heavier, mostly for the top end planeswalkers and asymmetrical board wipes

[sly torrent]

Sure. And I've not had any problem ramping with how much she draws and how many good ramp creatures there are with counter synergies

so many creatures that tap for 3+

[sly torrent]

I'm 100% settled on cutting Mangara after last night though. He doens't trigger enough and the lifegain isn't really that relevant when you almost always put counters on Bumbles for commander damage. Smuggler's Share drew more cards, and I've been unsure about that card since it released.

But Smuggler's at least synergizes with Bumbles. Mangara doesn't.

[sly torrent]

Tataru seems so good for Bumbleflower. I might have to cut those proliferate fliers for her. But if I cut one, might as well cut both.

[sly torrent]

Any suggestions on another cool engine piece?

[tall blaze]

Oh maybe I should get tataru

Why is it so expensive

Oh maybe it's a cedh thing

[pastel agate]

Kind of? It’s also just really good generally

[pastel agate]

I’m starting to come around on this too - gave it some thought, and I think smuggler’s share would certainly trigger more often

especially if you’ve got some kind of engine going

[remote vortex]

I really liked fathom mage as a engine

[pastel agate]

Fathom mage is real good, yeah

For me, it gets replaced by [[hakbal]] simply because he is an engine unto himself

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/3/hakbal-of-the-surging-soul

Hakbal of the Surging Soul <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Scout
At the beginning of combat on your turn, each Merfolk creature you control explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on the exploring creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
Whenever Hakbal attacks, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield. If you don't, draw a card.
3/3

[pastel agate]

Doesn’t require bumble be out

[remote vortex]

Depends how your deck is built as well I guess

I'm trying to cast two spells per turn, so the fathom mage draws me two from just casting

I ran a more kingmaker/anti pubstomp list I think: https://moxfield.com/decks/RUnPTad26kKDJnVLrED5nA

[pastel agate]

I recommend not doing group hug in any fashion with intent to kingmake

Gives group hug a bad name

[tall blaze]

I guess it's especially good in bumble

[pastel agate]

That it is

It’s smothering tithe at home

And I like being at home

[tall blaze]

I'm thinking about maybe taking bumble apart and rebuilding it as a controllish build

And Tidus for counters

[pastel agate]

That’s what i did, i need to play bumble more but im liking it so far

And tidus is getting swapped for Falco spara anyway lol

[remote vortex]

I was in a lot of uneven pods so it was built to blue police pods more, I've still won plenty of games with this deck tho

[pastel agate]

Fair, just wanted to make that distinction

We get a bad enough rap in #format-philosophy as it is lol

[sand island]

Let me at em

[tall blaze]

My bumble has a solid like 30% WR

[tall blaze]

[[Falco Spara]] seems so mid

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/186/falco-spara-pactweaver

Falco Spara, Pactweaver <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Demon
Flying, trample
Falco Spara enters with a shield counter on it.
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast spells from the top of your library by removing a counter from a creature you control in addition to paying their other costs.
3/3

[tall blaze]

If it was spells or lands then I'd be up for it

But getting the whole ability being useless more than 1/3 of the time is meh

It's just bad card advantage

I want to maybe try to build a pick-your-commander version of the deck which works with either Tidus or Bumbleflower

But I've actually been thinking about mono green counters a lot

Vorinclex

[tall blaze]

I do like the idea of a deck which lets you do a lot of top of deck shenanigans

[sly torrent]

Fathom Mage is just worse Danny Pink. I hate running something that is strictly worse than another card in the deck.

Plus ideally I want to put counters on Bumbles for commander dmage most of the time

[sly torrent]

I think Bumbles plays well as largely a control list. You need answers to keep you going if you're feeding the table so many cards.

[sand island]

Fathom Mage is cool with [[communal brewing]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/29/communal-brewing

Communal Brewing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, any number of target opponents each draw a card. Put an ingredient counter on this enchantment, then put an ingredient counter on it for each card drawn this way.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, that creature enters with X additional +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of ingredient counters on this enchantment.

[sand island]

Draw 4? Yes please.

[pastel agate]

That’s how I naturally gravitated too. I also really like the cards that reward you when opponents draw their second card/play their second spell

[sly torrent]

Yea, although opps drawing their second card is much easier to enable than their second spell.

Hence our Mangara discussion

[pastel agate]

Yeahhh, I still run a few second spell cards but not nearly as many

My logic was that if we feed them cards it incentivizes them to cast more spells

But it’s an extra step in the process that isn’t necessaru

[sly torrent]

or they just hit thier land drops and cast their big cmc spells. That seems to be what I've noticed

I've noticed this in other decks too. Mangara just doesn't trigger as much as I'd like. Easily goes entire turn cycles doing nothing.

[sly torrent]

I've also set a pretty high bar for what a 4 drop needs to be in my deck

at this point, the cuts are getting tough. Everything has a purpose. At least conceptually haha.

Most of my decks are just theory crafting and vibes. I only get to play 2-4 games a week and I have 17 paper decks right now. They don't get enough turns to really make quantifiable decisions on how good cards are. I often cut cards I've never even seen in a game.

[pastel agate]

I need to get a LOT of reps in with bumble again

Get a much better feel for the deck

[sly torrent]

It's definitely a deck you need to pay attention to more while playing vs others

[sly torrent]

Hmm, I could add Selfless Spirit. It is pretty much always good.

It’s crazy how much removal you can dodge just by reminding people it’s there and not even having to use it

Same with the on board foggers

[pastel agate]

Yup, selfless spirit is a mainstay. Same as mother of runes (speaking of which…)

[sly torrent]

I'm kinda surprised I didn't already have it in my list

[pastel agate]

Thoughts on [[innkeeper’s talent]] @sly torrent ? I’m not a fan in this version of the deck

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[pastel agate]

The control version, that is

[sly torrent]

I don't run it

It's already easy enough to make 2 counters per turn at least and the ward seems minimal and paying 7 for an effect I can basically get for 1 mana seems like a lot

[pastel agate]

Right, I was just curious of your thoughts on it. I have it in mine rn and it seems to stick out

I’m thinking it gets cut for mom

[sly torrent]

I've had so much mana in the games I've played that recasting bumbles if she's removed hasn't been an issue so I don't really care about ward 1

[pastel agate]

True true

Having to recast her is such a tempo hit tho

[sly torrent]

It is. I'd rather run a full protection effect than ward 1

[[Inspiring Call]] is cool

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/226/inspiring-call

Inspiring Call <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Draw a card for each creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it. Those creatures gain indestructible until end of turn. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy them.)
"They said we were weak, did they? Let's show them what happens when we fight as one!"

[sly torrent]

[[Ripples of Potential]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/77/ripples-of-potential

Ripples of Potential <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Proliferate, then choose any number of permanents you control that had a counter put on them this way. Those permanents phase out. (To proliferate, choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there. Treat phased-out permanents and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until their controller's next turn.)

[sly torrent]

[[bear umbra]] is nuts

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/113/bear-umbra

Bear Umbra <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, untap all lands you control."
Umbra armor (If enchanted creature would be destroyed, instead remove all damage from it and destroy this Aura.)

[sly torrent]

It gets better the more instants you add as well

[pastel agate]

I like it, but i’d rather be more mana efficient via selfless spirit and friends

[pastel agate]

It’s good! Sucks when you lose access to bumble as a blocker though

Same reason I cut clever concealment

[sly torrent]

yea, but the card draw could be a lot. Gives it a dual use

[sly torrent]

Sure, but it's great to dodge a board wipe and suddenly be ahead of the table

[pastel agate]

You’re dodging a wipe with a selfless spirit too

[sly torrent]

run both?

[sand island]

Not farewell

[sly torrent]

I think protection effects are really strong

same with fogs

[sand island]

[[swirling mists]] is one of my favorites

[brave folio]

No card found for “swirling mists”

[sand island]

[[march of the swirling]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “march of the swirling”

[sand island]

[[march of swirling]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/61/march-of-swirling-mist

March of Swirling Mist <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may exile any number of blue cards from your hand. This spell costs less to cast for each card exiled this way.
Up to X target creatures phase out. (While they're phased out, they're treated as though they don't exist. Each one phases in before its controller untaps during their next untap step.)

[sand island]

3rd time's the charm

[pastel agate]

My groups don’t play farewell

It’s a step too far for us

Protection is strong, but you still gotta be able to push for a win

Being on the passive side 100% of the time doesn’t allow you to put you foot on the gas when you need to

[sand island]

I will win when the last card of my deck is drawn

Nobody is allowed to win until then

[pastel agate]

Lol

I used to have a deck like tht - whole point was to deck myself

Manually

Thrasios//Kydele I think it was

[sand island]

That's my goal in Bumble v2

Deck myself and perhaps everyone else too

[pastel agate]

Infinite casts means you deck everyone out

Which is neat

[sand island]

I'm thinking more fair

Like [[forced fruition]] and [[folio of fancies]] effects

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/46/folio-of-fancies

Folio of Fancies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
Players have no maximum hand size.
, : Each player draws X cards.
, : Each opponent mills cards equal to the number of cards in their hand.

[sly torrent]

Every game I've played so far I've knocked at least one player out with commander damage. That hasn't been an issue so far

[pastel agate]

Right

I just mean some kind of thing like [[proft’s eidetic]] to burst into lethal

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/67/profts-eidetic-memory

Proft's Eidetic Memory <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
When Proft's Eidetic Memory enters, draw a card.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've drawn more than one card this turn, put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is the number of cards you've drawn this turn minus one.

[sand island]

I love that card

[clear aspen]

I have not looked at all at eoe cards yet anything look sick for bumble?

[pastel agate]

I’ll have to take some time this weekend and do another writeup! Short answer: no, not really

[sand island]

[[starwinder]] is fun

[pastel agate]

Good time for peeps to pick up shock lands though!

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/79/starwinder

Starwinder <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Leviathan
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you may draw that many cards.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
7/7

[pastel agate]

Yeah, that might be the main one

Like - maybe stations?

since you can easily insta-station them

And utilize her vigilance

[sand island]

I'm so sad station is sorc speed

[sly torrent]

It would be so broken if it wasnt and you could just station every creature you leave up as blockers right before your turn

or when anything is removed

[clear aspen]

Oh yea I’m building a modern deck

[clear aspen]

Could be good with a thassa style self draw deck!

I play voltron though <.<

I mean FF had some bangers so i’m not too sad about it

[sly torrent]

Sephiroth is broken in my Ratadrabik deck

Twice I've gotten him out and flipped 3 emblems in one turn

[sand island]

[[uthros psionicist]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/84/uthros-psionicist

Uthros Psionicist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Jellyfish Scientist
The second spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
"Log entry cycle 33,507: Tenuous perception of psionic activity emanating from Uthros's core. Nature: Nonlinguistic, fragmentary. Content: Isolation, apoplexy. It wants free." —Uthros Combine research notes
2/4

[sand island]

Retreading the partner from FF a bit

[[alphonse lev]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “alphonse lev”

[tall blaze]

Fathom mage is better Danny Pink, which is why I don't run it, it's too good

[tall blaze]

I think it's one of the best cards in the deck in counters list

But poopoo in a control list

[pastel agate]

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking

[sly torrent]

Forcing you to target it for the draw feels restrictive. Especially if you’re using commander damage as your win con

If you can distribute more counters per turn than you have creatures to draw from, I don’t think you’re really behind at all anyway

[tall blaze]

I prefer Danny Pink because of the way it cascades with Wizard Class

But Fathom Mage can enable serious storm turns

[sand island]

[[cosmogrand zenith]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/9/cosmogrand-zenith

Cosmogrand Zenith <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, choose one —
• Create two 1/1 white Human Soldier creature tokens.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
Cosmogrands of the Celestial Palatinate always seek to expand their grip on the Edge.
2/4

[sand island]

[[station monitor]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/230/station-monitor

Station Monitor <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Lizard Artificer
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, create a 1/1 colorless Drone artifact creature token with flying and "This token can block only creatures with flying."
"Keeping tabs on a whole station is too much for just one."
2/2

[tall blaze]

What the fuck

[tall blaze]

What are they doing

Flurryflower here we come

[tall blaze]

I think flurry decks can be real soon enough

Need smothering tithe and bumble to make it big

[sly torrent]

[[generous pup]] is similar for one less mana

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/j25/4/generous-pup

Generous Pup <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Dog
Vigilance
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control. This ability triggers only once each turn.
They communicate via the universal language of treats.
2/2

[sly torrent]

Easier to trigger on opponent’s turns too

[tall blaze]

I pulled a pup

Might put it in bumble

[pastel agate]

I had a win and a loss today with Bumble, I lost because every nonland permanent I played got targeted at some point, and I won because I casted a main phase heroic intervention to draw into exactly enough gas lmao

[tall blaze]

Is this your control build now? Is it the same mox link as before?

I think if I rebuild bumble as control or doublespell focus, I'll make a new list and retire the old one but keep it archived so I can go back to it

But I think Jeskai has the better double spell options

[[shiko and narset unified]] is similar but gives the nice colours

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/7/shiko-and-narset-unified

Shiko and Narset, Unified <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Spirit Dragon
Flying, vigilance
Flurry — Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, copy that spell if it targets a permanent or player, and you may choose new targets for the copy. If you don't copy a spell this way, draw a card.
For peace, lead by example.
4/4

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

This is the one

[sly torrent]

I suppose bumbles has earned some side glances, but I would immediately distrust and target basically any Jeskai deck over another color, so that might be something to consider. Anything Izzet I think a lot of people will automatically target because of fear of you storming off.

[pastel agate]

Jeskai has better double spell options because they’ve literally been feeding it a ton of flurry support over the last few sets

But fortunately a lot of it is in azorius rather than izzet

[sly torrent]

Granted ive only played a few games so far, but i dont feel like bumbles has needed extra double spell support in my games. Drawing two cards is already so good.

[tall blaze]

I had a game recently where I had both glen elendra and great henge on board at once. It was kinda gross

[sand island]

Got my [[dreamborn muse]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/41/dreamborn-muse

Dreamborn Muse <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player mills X cards, where X is the number of cards in their hand.
"Her voice is insight, piercing and true." —Ixidor, reality sculptor
2/2

[sand island]

Draw out bumble is soon assembled

[pastel agate]

Hell yeah

Any combos for it?

Or manual mill/draw

[sand island]

Manual. I want to do [[folio of fancies]] stuff

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/46/folio-of-fancies

Folio of Fancies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
Players have no maximum hand size.
, : Each player draws X cards.
, : Each opponent mills cards equal to the number of cards in their hand.

[pastel agate]

Right, I remember now

Super based version

[[space time anomaly]] is a home run, yeah?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/229/space-time-anomaly

Space-Time Anomaly <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Target player mills cards equal to your life total.
The howling winds could hardly be heard over the maddening thoughts of the godcore.

[sand island]

Oh, maybe

I kinda want to focus on hand size stuff more

Maybe bring back foxglove

And use [[forced fruition]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

[pastel agate]

Foxglove HOT

[sand island]

I'm really trying to spread out between too many things though

I think I remove all my counter synergies maybe

[pastel agate]

Yeah, no need for those

Just draw card

[sand island]

Stuff like pir is nice though, for drawing equal to power on death

And I'm also torn about running flurry stuff

[pastel agate]

Yeah but that’s you draw

Not they draw

[sand island]

I also want a me draw. Preferably, I want everyone to draw out, me or them

Something like Windfalling with 30 cards in hand

I'll try to flesh it out more

[tall blaze]

Maybe Gogo works here

[sand island]

Oh yeah, true

[tall blaze]

I've been thinking about building Gogo

I just love ramping

[sly torrent]

Have you played [[Ojer Kaslem]]?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/204/ojer-kaslem-deepest-growth-temple-of-cultivation

Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — God
Trample
Whenever Ojer Kaslem deals combat damage to a player, reveal that many cards from the top of your library. You may put a creature card and/or a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom in a random order.
When Ojer Kaslem dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
6/5

Temple of Cultivation
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth.)
: Add .
, : Transform this land. Activate only if you control ten or more permanents and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec sacred lands. Ojer Kaslem brought them to life.

[sly torrent]

Ramp every attack. Super fun mono green deck.

The Timmiest of Timmy decks

https://moxfield.com/decks/lN5vomBnAkG7U6lzsoWekg

[pastel agate]

It’s such a timmy card, it’s beautiful

Huh, surprised at no [[gwenna eyes]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/185/gwenna-eyes-of-gaea

Gwenna, Eyes of Gaea <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid Scout
: Add two mana in any combination of colors. Spend this mana only to cast creature spells or activate abilities of creature sources.
Whenever you cast a creature spell with power 5 or greater, put a +1/+1 counter on Gwenna and untap it.
2/3

[sand island]

I love Ojer Kaslem so much

Not so much in bumble though

[pastel agate]

I could see it as a stompy version

Make big stuff bigger

But yeah, hard to justify

[sly torrent]

Yea, I just meant in general in response to @tall blaze about loving ramp so much

[sand island]

If you love ramp so much, maybe you should marry it

[pastel agate]

A ramp-every-turn commander I’ve been enjoying is [[soul of windgrace]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/126/soul-of-windgrace

Soul of Windgrace <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Cat Avatar
Whenever Soul of Windgrace enters or attacks, you may put a land card from a graveyard onto the battlefield tapped under your control.
, Discard a land card: You gain 3 life.
, Discard a land card: Draw a card.
, Discard a land card: Soul of Windgrace gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it.
5/4

[sly torrent]

Ojer is super gross in my [[Felix]] deck. What a great trigger to double lol

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/6/felix-five-boots

Felix Five-Boots <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Ooze Rogue
Menace, ward
If a creature you control dealing combat damage to a player causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Multiple pseudopods and no vital organs make dueling a whole lot easier.
5/4

[sly torrent]

https://moxfield.com/decks/EMsXrkQNJU6ff7oTp_4k8w

[sand island]

True, that is great

Kinda funny that soul of windgrace was buffed in arena

Do you ever use the activated abilities?

[pastel agate]

Very seldom, but yes

99% of the time it’s to loot away lands

[sand island]

Makes sense

[pastel agate]

If I built my list for it I could focus on the indestructible part

[sand island]

I ahven't played with it before, so I'm looking forward to running it in my hearthhull deck

[pastel agate]

Yeah, soul goes well in any land deck

[sly torrent]

landfall is one strategy I haven't touched yet

[pastel agate]

No offense to Levi but it’s probably the one archetype I’d never want to build again

[sand island]

I used the jumpscare precon for a game or two, realized I hate simic landfall bullshit, and then made gitrog, which was more of a self-mill and mass land recursion

Being pretty new to magic, I think it's more interesting than aristocrats still

And voltron is less and less appealing to me

[sly torrent]

Same. Too powerful for doing normal game actions.

[[Teval]] seems cool but someone else in my group already built it.

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “Teval”, can you be more specific?

[sand island]

I think land recursion stuff is far more interesting than typical simic landfall stuff, yeah

Since it enables the usage of depletion lands and some other cool lands

[craggy phoenix]

@pastel agate

[pastel agate]

Usually when I’m giving people ten cards in one turn, they’re dying

[sand island]

^^

[craggy phoenix]

Nah nah, you're misinterpreting the video

Bumbleflower is the one drawing

[sand island]

Hmm, no

[pastel agate]

Also possible

[sand island]

I feel like I need to reduce the MV of my deck

Low MV veggies so I can drop high mv jank

[sly torrent]

Mine’s at 163 haha. I like being able to always double spell.

I discovered this gross synergy last night during a game. [[whitemane lion]] [[warden of the grove]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/35/whitemane-lion

Whitemane Lion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat
Flash
When this creature enters, return a creature you control to its owner's hand.
Saltfield nomads call a sudden storm a "whitemane."
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/166/warden-of-the-grove

Warden of the Grove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, it endures X, where X is the number of counters on this creature. (Put X +1/+1 counters on the creature that entered or create an X/X white Spirit creature token.)
2/2

[pastel agate]

Lol yeah

That is gross

[sly torrent]

Just crap out bigger and bigger tokens for two mana at a time.

[tall blaze]

4 mana is rough

But Danny pink in love

Or fathom mage

It's level 3 of wizard class without spending all the mana

[sand island]

Jesus, that's crazy

[pastel agate]

Yeah is surprisingly good

[tall blaze]

Counters ✅
Draw ✅

There's also that new enchantment

Whenever a counter is out on a thing draw a card for the number of counters

Will be gross with all the counters on enter stuff

Makes me want to mono green more

[tall blaze]

Bristly bill prices exploding

Sad, I've been procrastinating buying one

Reprint when

[tribal temple]

Think we can fit him in bumble? Sometimes trample is needed when facing a go wide flying deck

[pastel agate]

6 mana is way too much

For a +1/+1

Trample is nice, and for some kind of go wide version it could be good

[sand island]

It's like a bad craterhoof

[tribal temple]

some would say a more fun bad craterhoof 😂

[sand island]

It's not really that fun though

[tribal temple]

Im not a big fan of slamming craterhoof and going "I win?" I perfect wittling down my oppoenents

[sand island]

Me neither, but also, just giving +1/+1 and trample isn't particularly interesting. It's still the same overrun effect.

[sly torrent]

[[sphere grid]] is way better

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/70/sphere-grid

Sphere Grid <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
Unlock Ability — Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have reach and trample.
To activate nodes, you must use spheres.

[sly torrent]

Yea [[Terrasymbiosis]] is gonna be great

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/210/terrasymbiosis

Terrasymbiosis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, you may draw that many cards. Do this only once each turn.
For Eumidians, terraforming and evolution are one and the same. They grow as their planet grows, in lockstep coexistence.

[sly torrent]

This might be too much for me. 4 mana to not actually draw a card might be pushing it.

All my 4 mana spells are either card draw engines, protection engines, or wipes

[sly torrent]

why haven't I realized how good [[teferi's ageless insight]] could be in bumbleflower

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/119/teferis-ageless-insight

Teferi's Ageless Insight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
If you would draw a card except the first one you draw in each of your draw steps, draw two cards instead.
"Fine, you know more than me. But do you have to be such a show-off about it?" —Chandra Nalaar, to Teferi

[sly torrent]

Might be worth replacing [[enduring curiosity]] for it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/51/enduring-curiosity

Enduring Curiosity <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Cat Glimmer
Flash
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
When Enduring Curiosity dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. It's an enchantment. (It's not a creature.)
4/3

[sly torrent]

That's probably the worst of that effect in the deck. Toski being indestructible can make for a crazy attacker and Bident forcing people to attack can really hurt them

[pastel agate]

The flash is nice!

But yeah, coastal piracies are just like.. fine? In bumble

[sly torrent]

Yea, i'd be open to other draw effects. They are usually consistent for at least one draw if not two per turn though

At least Bident has an alt purpose and Toski is very hard to remove and can become a threat as well

[pastel agate]

Ageless insight is a really good choice

Bumble draws from a LOT of sources, typically not on your turn

[sand island]

^^

[sly torrent]

Yea, I'm def gonna need to add it

I think cutting Enduring is the right call

https://moxfield.com/decks/Asu19dw0J02_5mBMOb-KwA

[sand island]

Coastal piracy effects are pretty meh in bumble

So I'd agree

[sly torrent]

Thoughts on replacements for Toski or Bident then?

Tidus and Kutzil are also Coastal effects, but for even less mana and have other benefits stapled on

And I do kinda like the trickery that Bident can force on people who otherwise don't want to attack

[sand island]

I like Kutzil, there are better card draw options too

[sly torrent]

Yea, I don't think coastal effects are bad when they basically trigger every turn at least once. Especially when they are on creatures that are less than 4 mana when a coastal effect rate is usually 4

In every game I've played so far I've taken out every player with Bumbles commander damage. She usually gets through every turn to someone.

[sand island]

I'd rather have things that trigger on every spell cast

But both are valid.

[sly torrent]

What are you favorite draw effects? I think I've only played like 4 or 5 games with Bumbles so far, so my list is still pretty new.

Although so far my strategy of casting a lot and making bumbles huge with lots of removal/protection to make up for giving away cards has worked well

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

my deck is tagged, so you can see all the draw spells

Still got gluntch in there, he might come back out

[sly torrent]

How has ledger shredder worked for you? Although not technically draw, but good card selection. I suppose it could easily get huge when you double spell every turn.

[sand island]

I want [[starwinder]] already

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/79/starwinder

Starwinder <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Leviathan
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you may draw that many cards.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
7/7

[sly torrent]

lol that would be great in [[felix]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/6/felix-five-boots

Felix Five-Boots <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Ooze Rogue
Menace, ward
If a creature you control dealing combat damage to a player causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Multiple pseudopods and no vital organs make dueling a whole lot easier.
5/4

[sly torrent]

Felix is such a fun deck

So many triggers are so broken when you double them, but it feels fair since you have to deal combat damage to a player

[sand island]

[[Sergeant john benton]] is my favorite card draw spell

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/157/sergeant-john-benton

Sergeant John Benton <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Trample, haste
Share Intelligence — Whenever Sergeant John Benton deals combat damage to a player, you and that player each draw that many cards.
"Anyway, nothing to do with you surprises me anymore, Doctor."
2/4

[sly torrent]

Oh god. I already give away so many cards.

[sand island]

[[psychic possession]] is kinda a staple too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dis/30/psychic-possession

Psychic Possession <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant opponent
Skip your draw step.
Whenever enchanted opponent draws a card, you may draw a card.
"You will do the thinking for the both of us!"

[sly torrent]

yea that is kinda funny

although does sort of tie you to one person the whole game

[pastel agate]

It’s any player casting their second spell, so it triggers quite often, especially the higher power you get

[pastel agate]

It’s a baby [[consecrated sphinx]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/43/consecrated-sphinx

Consecrated Sphinx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6

[sly torrent]

It is kinda thematic and funny

[tall blaze]

My original list was like, psychic possession and other silly stuff focused on bumbles ability

But my current list is just a +1/+1 counters build that survives happily without her on board

[sly torrent]

I'm not 100% sold on psychic just because the games where I've fed most of the cards to one player, they've been the one that's won the game.

I am excited to go pick up Terrasymbiosis today

[sand island]

Are we going to use starwinder at all?

Seems alright for bigger bunny

[pastel agate]

Yeah, big bunny wants it

Any big bunny deck tbh

[sand island]

4 mana seagate restoration is pretty good

[clear aspen]

[[ouroboros]] is pretty sick for a counter deck

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/201/ouroboroid

Ouroboroid <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Plant Wurm
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put X +1/+1 counters on each creature you control, where X is this creature's power.
"I've found a strange vine in the ice. Thawing for further analysis." —Meltstrider log, final entry
1/3

[tall blaze]

Ehh it's decent

We have a lot of those effects now

And the rest are all 3 mana

[wintry pine]

Which ones do you mean?
Not sure if I wanna buy this card for my Falco Deck I need to leave Bumble I think 😦

[tall blaze]

[[arwen weaver]] [[seymour]] [[warden of the grove]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/35/arwen-weaver-of-hope

Arwen, Weaver of Hope <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Each other creature you control enters with a number of additional +1/+1 counters on it equal to Arwen's toughness.
From afar, Arwen watched over Aragorn, and in hope, she made for him a great and kingly standard.
2/1

Multiple cards match “seymour”, can you be more specific?

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/166/warden-of-the-grove

Warden of the Grove <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Whenever another nontoken creature you control enters, it endures X, where X is the number of counters on this creature. (Put X +1/+1 counters on the creature that entered or create an X/X white Spirit creature token.)
2/2

[tall blaze]

[[maester seymour]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/68/maester-seymour

Maester Seymour <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Elf Cleric
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a number of +1/+1 counters equal to Maester Seymour's power on another target creature you control.
: Monstrosity X, where X is the number of counters among creatures you control. (If this creature isn't monstrous, put X +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
1/3

[tall blaze]

I guess the new one is good since it's not each other

So every turn it gets better

[sand island]

4 mana though

[prime inlet]

Anybody built Bumbleflower as a Table Turbo Group Hug? I’d like to have every card offer the table a benefit/bonus to keep me in the game. I don’t necessarily need wincons as much as I enjoy politics/king maker for social games.

[sand island]

Sounds wild. I prefer to make decks with the goal to win. 😅

[pastel agate]

So like while I appreciate all play styles, I’d recommend checking out the other group hug bumble decks here, focusing more on aikido or control aspects. Group hug with the express purpose of being kingmaker/getting second place is in very poor taste

[sand island]

Need 5c for that

Or some kind of theft I suppoose

[prime inlet]

(Deleted in shame)

[sand island]

lol ❤️

[sly torrent]

IMO one of the reasons that Bumbles is neat is because it's targeted group hug and doesn't just hug the whole table. Giving to everyone just rockets the deck that's already the fastest to the win.

But if you want to give out lots of cards, just lower your CMC so you can double spell every turn.

I think the only other hug cards I have are Loran, Communal Brewing, and Dawn's Truce

buuuut if you really wanted the huggiest of hug lists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfG67OLpQoU

[sand island]

[[cosmogrand zenith]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/9/cosmogrand-zenith

Cosmogrand Zenith <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, choose one —
• Create two 1/1 white Human Soldier creature tokens.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
Cosmogrands of the Celestial Palatinate always seek to expand their grip on the Edge.
2/4

[sand island]

Yeah, that's correct.

[modest lion]

Probably going to find a spot for this in my Kyler deck, though not sure if I double spell enough to cut something else for it. It'll at least get a look.

If you're playing an instant-heavy Bumble deck (I am), this does feel like a pretty nifty include.

[floral canyon]

are yall adding any of loading zone or terrasymbiosis or ouroboroid?

[sand island]

Nah

Should I get a [[consecrated sphinx]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/43/consecrated-sphinx

Consecrated Sphinx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6

[sand island]

I want to make my list card draw.deck

[tall blaze]

Yes

[sand island]

Done.

[sand island]

I feel like I have like 8 different bumbleflower decks I'm trying to cram into one

Inside me there are 8 different bumbleflower decks

[sly torrent]

I added Terra

[sly torrent]

I would but I chose to go no GCs. Otherwise I’d def run this and Seedborn Muse

[pastel agate]

Con sphinx to so hard

[sand island]

Got it anyways

I wanna draw 14 when an opponent plays into my forced fruition

[sand island]

My new and worsened meme decklist: https://archidekt.com/decks/8498400/bumbleflower

It's still not sure what it wants to be, and the average mana value is still too high, but I want it to be a drawing and handsize matters deck

[pastel agate]

Based

[sand island]

I took out all the flurry stuff because that's a different deck, and I'm probably still hanging onto certain things I could probably ditch

It's just so hard to trim lol

[pastel agate]

God the flurry support is so good

[sand island]

It really is

[pastel agate]

Flurryflower seems like it’d be really fun

https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Aflurry+id%3Abant

More and more of these every day

[sand island]

Yep!

Thanks Jeskai monks for shedding some red

[pastel agate]

Okay what the FUCK is [[second guess]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/avr/74/second-guess

Second Guess <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell that's the second spell cast this turn.
"I see where you're going with that. I don't like it." —Dierk, geistmage

[pastel agate]

that is so goofy

[sand island]

lmfao

If it's a wednesday, and afternoon, and your name starts with a T, counter target spell

[pastel agate]

I counted 21 of those 38 that I’d consider playable at any level over draft chaff

[sand island]

I didn't get to play with the Leveilleurs, but they seem quite good

I like partner with cards

[pastel agate]

They are insane

Like, I kinda wanna build azorius flurry with them good

Especially because they synergize getting themselves out so well anyway

And they’re basically bumbleflower but azorius and with a cost reduction rather than a wincon

Hmm

[sand island]

Oh, yeah, apparently [[shabraz the skyshark]] is spiking in price due to the mill lifegain commander lol

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c20/14/shabraz-the-skyshark

Shabraz, the Skyshark <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Shark Bird
Partner with Brallin, Skyshark Rider
Flying
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Shabraz and you gain 1 life.
: Target Human gains flying until end of turn.
3/3

[sand island]

Hope?

[pastel agate]

Checks out

Hope, yeah

[sand island]

I should probably cut pir and toothy, but I love them so much

And I still hav e a ton of PWs I don't want to cut that get additional counters due to pir

[pastel agate]

For your deck probably

But most bumbles love p&t

[sand island]

toothy dying and drawing a bunch is fun

Maybe I ditch shabraz and keep them

I'm seriously considering [[rites of flourishing]] type effects 🤔

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/znc/80/rites-of-flourishing

Rites of Flourishing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player draws an additional card.
Each player may play an additional land on each of their turns.
"Dance, and bring forth the coil! It is an umbilical to Gaea herself, fattening us with the earth's rich bounty."

[pastel agate]

Nah

Rites bad

[sand island]

I agree

but also I want to draw everyone out

[pastel agate]

Well

[sand island]

Thoughts on [[ominous seas]]?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/61/ominous-seas

Ominous Seas <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever you draw a card, put a foreshadow counter on this enchantment.
Remove eight foreshadow counters from this enchantment: Create an 8/8 blue Kraken creature token.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

[pastel agate]

I could see the argument then

[pastel agate]

Funny but just fine

[sand island]

The double land drop makes them empty their hands quicker, which is an obvious downside

[pastel agate]

And he able to cast more

[sand island]

Yeah

[pastel agate]

Actually, now that you say that I’d just recommend howling mines instead

Run [[scrawling crawler]] and friends

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/132/scrawling-crawler

Scrawling Crawler <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Construct
At the beginning of your upkeep, each player draws a card.
Whenever an opponent draws a card, that player loses 1 life.
It spreads the machine gospel of New Phyrexia, its task incomplete until all surrender to perfection.
3/2

[sand island]

Yeah, I was thinking of those too

I really want [[black vise]] to be good heh

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/me3/191/black-vise

Black Vise <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose an opponent.
At the beginning of the chosen player's upkeep, this artifact deals X damage to that player, where X is the number of cards in their hand minus 4.

[pastel agate]

It is, wdym

Totally is

[sand island]

copium

[pastel agate]

Also [[iron maiden]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/127/iron-maiden

Iron Maiden <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, this artifact deals X damage to that player, where X is the number of cards in their hand minus 4.
The maiden is a jealous lover.

[sand island]

I looked at that, but it was spendy

[[shield of war and peace]] looks so good actually for me

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1730/sword-of-war-and-peace

Sword of War and Peace <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, this Equipment deals damage to that player equal to the number of cards in their hand and you gain 1 life for each card in your hand.
Equip

[sand island]

I wonder if I put mangara back in if I want to run howling mine and such

[pastel agate]

[[$iron maiden]]?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ulg/127/iron-maiden

Prices for Iron Maiden

Urza's Legacy

$9.01 • €7.58 • 0.02 TIX

[pastel agate]

oh, yeah it kinda is

[sand island]

Only one printing for a meme card

[pastel agate]

Yeah

[pastel agate]

Nah it’s legit good

[sand island]

Doesn't even have futuresight border like black vise smh

Yeah you're right

Hmm i should rehaul my deck even more. ditch the PWs and add more draw synergies and howling mine and such

I should get a second burgeoning spacecraft

err [[exploration broodship]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/14/exploration-broodship

Exploration Broodship <:manag:292901508654301185>

Artifact — Spacecraft
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery. It's an artifact creature at 8+.)
STATION 3+
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
STATION 8+
Flying
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell from your graveyard by sacrificing a land in addition to paying its other costs.
4/4

[pastel agate]

Exploration effects are insanely good with any mass draw decks

So yeah

Absolutely should

[sand island]

How do you feel about just running the monkey that lets you play a land?

[[arboreal grazer]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/245/arboreal-grazer

Arboreal Grazer <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Sloth Beast
Reach
When this creature enters, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
"We fight to stop a tyrant, but we also fight for the gentle creatures who have no concept of what befalls their world." —Vivien Reid
0/3

[pastel agate]

In a howling mine deck, I’d say yes to all

however

If that was the only flexible slot I’d instead recommend [[sakura tribe scout]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/sok/144/sakura-tribe-scout

Sakura-Tribe Scout <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Snake Shaman Scout
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
"Scouts of the Sakura Tribe spent two years wandering the forest to learn every leaf and tree. That knowledge was called upon during the Kami War to ensure the orochi's survival." —The History of Kamigawa
1/1

[pastel agate]

because they ramp you every turn

[sand island]

Oh yeah that's much better

[pastel agate]

Card is so slept on

[sand island]

There's also that [[atlas]] something

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “atlas”, can you be more specific?

[pastel agate]

Great budget exploration

[[walking atlas]] and [[popo]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/wwk/131/walking-atlas

Walking Atlas <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Construct
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Crafted by lullmages and bound to the land, it alters itself to match the tumultuous terrain.
1/1

Multiple cards match “popo”, can you be more specific?

[pastel agate]

pff

[sand island]

pupu right

[pastel agate]

Whatever, the final fantasy one

[pastel agate]

https://tenor.com/view/snickering-giggling-laughing-excited-gif-13017805

[sand island]

[[pu-pu]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/266/pupu-ufo

PuPu UFO <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Construct Alien
Flying
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
: Until end of turn, this creature's base power becomes equal to the number of Towns you control.
"Thank you!"
0/4

[pastel agate]

But yes

[sand island]

haha duty

[pastel agate]

Pu-pu specifically yes

Because it flies

[sand island]

Flying blocker pog

[pastel agate]

Buuuut not walking atlas because [[llanowar scout]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dom/170/llanowar-scout

Llanowar Scout <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Scout
: You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Llanowar elfhames occupy different heights within the great forest. Elves of the Loridalh and Kelfae hames can see neither earth nor sky.
1/3

[pastel agate]

and like 5 other functional reprints

[sand island]

Yeah, walking atlas is only good-ish because it's colorless for non-green

[pastel agate]

Ye

[sand island]

I think I like pupu

[pastel agate]

Those cards are so slept on bc people aren’t typically able to support dropping lands every turn with them

But let’s be real, dropping two lands off them (while also making land drops) is just straight up better than running a rock

[sand island]

I have so many bumbleflower decks I wanna make

I'm looking at this [[sin, unending cataclysm]] on my desk and want to play a generous patron deck to plop counters on opponent's stuff and do stuff like goad them, then steal them all back

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/95/sin-unending-cataclysm

Sin, Unending Cataclysm <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Leviathan Avatar
Flying, trample
As Sin enters, remove all counters from any number of artifacts, creatures, and enchantments. Sin enters with X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is twice the number of counters removed this way.
When Sin dies, put its counters on target creature you control, then shuffle this card into its owner's library.
5/5

[sand island]

But that'll be after i tire of this lol

[pastel agate]

You know what’s extra funny

Spaceships that are fully stationed

Sin rips them off

[sand island]

LMAO

So true

[[$anvil of bogardan]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/vis/141/anvil-of-bogardan

Prices for Anvil of Bogardan

Visions

$40.68 • €17.20 • 3.22 TIX

[sand island]

[[psychic corrosion]] is probably worth

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/68/psychic-corrosion

Psychic Corrosion <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever you draw a card, each opponent mills two cards.
"To break another's mind is to deliver a fate worse than death. It is a terrifying power." —Jace Beleren

[sand island]

Yeah, maybe I ditch planeswalkers, and add in these howling mine and extra land drop effects

And rip P&T

[pastel agate]

For deck/mill -out bumble yeah, that, [[sphinx’s tutelage]] and [[teferi’s tutelage]] are all good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ori/76/sphinxs-tutelage

Sphinx's Tutelage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever you draw a card, target opponent mills two cards. If two nonland cards that share a color were milled this way, repeat this process.
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
"You've never considered the implications of dealing with another telepath, Jace."

https://scryfall.com/card/m21/78/teferis-tutelage

Teferi's Tutelage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, draw a card, then discard a card.
Whenever you draw a card, target opponent mills two cards. (They put the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.)
"Tarassel's sixth law of temporal recursion is easy to understand as long as you know the first seven."

[pastel agate]

For millflower specifically, the blue crystal goes so hard

Sphinx’s tutelage + crystal is basically gg

[sand island]

blue crystal is neat, yeah

I want to really like [[dreamborn]]

[[dreamborn muse]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/41/dreamborn-muse

Dreamborn Muse <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player mills X cards, where X is the number of cards in their hand.
"Her voice is insight, piercing and true." —Ixidor, reality sculptor
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/41/dreamborn-muse

Dreamborn Muse <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player mills X cards, where X is the number of cards in their hand.
"Her voice is insight, piercing and true." —Ixidor, reality sculptor
2/2

[sand island]

Oh, turns out there's only one anyways

[pastel agate]

Yeah, of course you wanna like it

It’s cool as hell

I’d run it

[sand island]

I think I have sphinx's tutelage, and psychic corrosion from my forray into mill, lemme add those too

Dreamtide may not fit anymore, despite being such a powerhouse too, hmm

[pastel agate]

Like, if you’re doing draw/millflower I wouldn’t worry about p/t wincons bc that’s not the point

Dreamtide slaps, keep it

[sand island]

true

I'm thinking i keep kami in too

becaues that's big mana for activating folio

(among other things, like casting spells, who knew!)

[pastel agate]

Kami of whispered hopes?