#Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

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tall blaze
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And I have one spare from the animar secret lair

pastel agate
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[[benevolent hydra]]

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pastel agate
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…oh right

wintry pine
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How does he work and whats my team?
[[Pir, Imaginative Rascal]]

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tall blaze
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Ignore the team thing

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It just means you

wintry pine
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Ah okay neat tech there

pastel agate
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Tutoring up Toothy as well is insane work

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It’s 2 spells in one for bumble too

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Gamers what should I cut for brightglass

tall blaze
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Dang now I need even more cuts

tall blaze
pastel agate
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Yeah

wintry pine
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I'm not sold on Monk Class for now but I'm only brewing before buying all ..

pastel agate
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Monk class is solid, but yeah I ended up cutting it too

tall blaze
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[[grateful apparition]] doesn't looks that good

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pastel agate
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It does a lot but for *slightly * too much mana

pastel agate
tall blaze
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pastel agate
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If I get even one counter on it it becomes a “need to answer now” threat because it will avalanche out of control

pastel agate
tall blaze
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True

pastel agate
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Plus i like evasive creatures lol

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Turning sideways fun

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I also have thrummingbird in the deck which is almost strictly worse

tall blaze
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Cut the birds of paradise then

pastel agate
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Hm

tall blaze
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Gearhulk into burgeoning or exploration ezpz

pastel agate
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I’ll have to test how that affects my early game

tall blaze
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I might cut dryad for it since it can fetch my exploration

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[[psychic possession]] seems great with bumble but wonder if it is just not high enough value to keep

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tall blaze
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It's a 4 mana do nothing when played

pastel agate
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Psychic possession is good

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Basically a baby con sphinx

pastel agate
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Kinda insane

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We’re flying towards being the largest thread today

crystal quest
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For artifacts, if you want lore-based fun, may I suggest [[hot soup]]

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pastel agate
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Hah, that’s hilarious actually

tall blaze
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I'm considering jolrael as a cut. Has anyone had any particular success with her to suggest keep?

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I should swap promise of loyalty to something better like austere command

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I just like keeping my bumble and being safeish

pastel agate
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I took her out in, like, v2 of the original deck

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Tragic arrogance does so much work for me

wintry pine
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Hmm I think I should cut Leyline even if I never played this deck tho seems to weird of a mechanic in commander or singleton format

tall blaze
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What other cards put in a lot of work for yall which aren't in my list? And what cards in my list do you find rarely give the value?

tall blaze
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High fae trixter is great

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Also [[alchemist's refuge]]

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wintry pine
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Is pollywog prodigy really that good / worth be price if I even dont want to run rhystic? :/

pastel agate
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It is

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It’s also not as annoying as rhystic

tall blaze
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I wasn't planning to run [[view from above]] until I realised the synergy with [[giggling skitterspike]] and now I'm tempted

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sand island
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Oh hot damn, you're right

tall blaze
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lmao this turn 5

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sand island
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What sol ring does to a board

pastel agate
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All the usual expected suspects tbh

tall blaze
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yeah I definitely need more board wipes

tall blaze
tall blaze
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I have decided to liquidate my crypto into mtg cards

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Surely a better investment

wintry pine
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Another maybe crazy take but what about the overlords in bumble ?
Impending is not that high of a coast and since she gives flying maybe they work especially the blue or white one ?

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AND is Uro any good just for advantage and lategame plan ?

tall blaze
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It's a 3 mana sorcery speed [[growth spiral]] mostly, but the escape means you can keep casting it if you run out of hand

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tall blaze
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I do sometimes end up empty-handed. Today I had a hand of just a leyline and got stomped by hundreds of saprolings. Time to order another cyc rift

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I feel like [[dreamtide whale]] really isn't doing much. Occasional proliferate but less reliable than [[evolution sage]]

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tall blaze
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Hmm tragic arrogance looks good. Damning verdict pretty okay too (though useless in the games when I've needed but not had a wipe as people love counters)

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I probably need more protection. [[heroic intervention]] and [[inspiring call]] maybe

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tall blaze
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I find the worst place to be (where I often end up) is low on hand when bumble has been removed a couple of times. Then I spend a whole turn bringing her back out and I don't even have enough cards to doublespell

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Hoping bright glass will be a decent solution, just pulling two spells is super high value

tall blaze
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Hmm an upside of shrieking drake or whitemane lion over view from above is that if you run great henge it also draws

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Heck with shrieking drake and great henge alone it becomes 1 blue draw a card

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And worse, if you add in smothering tithe and lab man it's an instant win combo

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Damn I guess I'm not running shrieking drake

tribal temple
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I never really run out of cards when I play bumble. Im even cutting some of my card draw, from 12-7 because I was just drawing so much.

The cards you are casting should be replacing themselves, are you casting more than 2 cards a turn @tall blaze

tall blaze
tall blaze
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Sometimes I am in that situation of loads more cards than I can handle

tribal temple
tall blaze
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But sometimes I don't pull any of my draw, bumbleflower gets removed, and I just run out of gas

tribal temple
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Often I will often save cards to trigger bumble early game to ensure later I have ways to draw

tall blaze
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Yeah I might need to sandbag more

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Maybe get Danny pink and duelist of the mind for extra draw on those times I can't doublespell

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It's just so hard to find cuts

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I have like 10 cards to add now

tribal temple
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wheres your list? I can give you my suggestions

tall blaze
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How do you find season of the gathering?

tribal temple
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Its great

tall blaze
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I was also looking at [[season of weaving]]

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tribal temple
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I tried season of weaving and it being sorcery was just too slow

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I really like mode 2 and 3 on weaving. It always does a ton of work when I drawn it

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In your list I dont really like:

  • Arwen Weaver of hope
  • Scrawling Crawler
  • too many flash enablers

It looks like you started with a +1/+1 shell and then started to lean towards combo but youre missing combo finishers

tall blaze
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I don't really have any combos in there except the hullbreaker horror one and that isn't exactly intentional or a goal

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I started as a more control shell and moved more to +1/+1

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I usually just win with big flying chonkers

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I probably need more protection

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And yeah I'm cutting two of the flash enablers

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I was going to add The Ozolith but increasingly thinking it won't be that useful

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tall blaze
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Skitterspike really does feel wasteful but also it has put in so much work in the few games I've played it feels bad to lose

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But probably a good idea

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I mean scrawling crawler

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Skitterspike is amazing and will never be cut

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Skyshroud claim actually seems like a good idea, 4 mana ramp 2 untapped lands

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Helps with doublespelling too

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tribal temple
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I would also add more creatures that get tirggers for adding counters and remove some of the flash speed stuff

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I dont think your deck gets much value from playing 2 cards on everyones turn, you should just care about playing 2 cards on your turn

tall blaze
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[[benthic biomancer]] for card selection. [[basking broodscale]] ramp

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tribal temple
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[[Freestrider Lookout]] is the best card in my deck, I didnt see it in yours

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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

tall blaze
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I am probably straddling the control vs beatdown strats. I should probably lean more in one direction. I think control ends up stronger as control

tall blaze
tribal temple
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I also recent cut Basking Broodscale. It never really felt good to put counters on it. The other payoffs I ran where much better

tall blaze
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Fair

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Flash stuff though can get so wild with [[seedborn muse]]

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tall blaze
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But maybe I just go [[alchemist's refuge]] for that

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tribal temple
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If you cut the flash stuff I would also cut Seedborn. Because like you mentioned they are nuts together.

tall blaze
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"You did all that, in my end step??"

tall blaze
tribal temple
tall blaze
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Yeah his was kind of where I started but I have really shifted away from the cantrippy world

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I do typically find that if I'm behind, I never have the mana to cast anything outside of my turn

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If I'm ahead then I don't need to

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So maybe it doesn't work out so well

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But I would always keep [[high fae trixter]] just because of the craziness of flashing in a flash enabler. And putting that on a land is decent cost too

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tribal temple
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IMO to make the deck better you should commit to either JLKs style or a more +1/+1 style like my list

tall blaze
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I like Umaru's original "too strong" list

tribal temple
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Oh yeah, I still think running 1-2 flash enablers is good. [[Tidal Barracuda]] is a beast in my deck

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tall blaze
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I think bright glass gearhulk is gonna become a bumbleflower staple

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4 mana draw two low cost cards of your choice

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For me, court of garenbrig and innkeepers talent are huge

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Dreamtide whale has never felt good so might be on the chopping block unless I get more counter payoffs

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But even then I might prefer evolution sage

tribal temple
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Tidal Barracuda
Freestrider Lookout
Forgotten Ancient
Proft's Eidetic Memory
Danny Pink
Exploration
Monk Class

tall blaze
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[[metastatic evangel]]

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tribal temple
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I want to try out court of garenbrig. Its been getting a lot of praise here lately

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I really like Dreamtide whale, but I have a heavy creature focus so Im getting lots of value from it

tall blaze
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That seems cool

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[[karn's bastion]] as a utility land maybe

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tall blaze
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Oh except monk class

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What do we think about [[agatha's soul cauldron]]

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tribal temple
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Agatha is good but is out of my price range

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I dont think its worth the $40 or whatever it is

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[[$agatha's soul cauldron}}

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$agatha's soul cauldron

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[[$agatha's soul cauldron]]

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tribal temple
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got it :p

tall blaze
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I happened to pull it in a pack but not sure it's worth a slot

tribal temple
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If you go towards more +1/+1 build it 100% is worth the slot

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If you add it, I would add more of the things that trigger when they get a counter

tall blaze
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I am actually seriously thinking about [[benthic biomancer]]

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tall blaze
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As a 1-drop its high value card selection

tribal temple
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I cut Benthic Biomancer pretty early I didnt like it

tall blaze
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I guess the graveyard hate alone is pretty good

tribal temple
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I think my list runs more activated abilities

tall blaze
tribal temple
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yeah thats what I found too

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I think if you want to play the other way you would want to play more alt wincons

tall blaze
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Yeah that makes sense

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I think freestrider lookout is a big gap in my current list which hopefully will be fixed soon

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Turning [[whitemane lion]] into a [[farseek]] every turn is cool

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sand island
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It's better than farseek (kinda), since it hits any land

tall blaze
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Yeah. I gotta get it

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Actually, that gives [[view from above]] even more value since you can repeatedly commit crimes even without bumbleflower

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tall blaze
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Though actually we don't have that many white permanents...

tribal temple
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bumble is white!

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but I think theres enough even if she is in the command zone

tall blaze
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Yeah I only have 9 right now

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But I need to swap out fathom mage for dusk legion duelist, find a slot for kutzil and conclave mentor

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So that's a few more

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Envoy of the ancestors, does it feel great?

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Lifelink is cool but trample is cooler

tribal temple
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I love Envoy of the ancestors

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You dont really care abou trample when you have flying 😎

tall blaze
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Just spotted [[mission briefing]]. Snapcaster without a body but makes double casting easier

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tribal temple
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Personally I didnt find a lot of value recasting my spells. Most of the time they arent that impactful so these cards just rotted in my hand becase I didnt want to cast them just to recast a 2 man spell

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sand island
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[[envoy of the ancestors]]

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tall blaze
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My list isn't hugely different

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Though you have a bunch of planeswalkers

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And The One Ring which I would just never run

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Spore frog is an interesting choice - is that just for recurring with like evo witness?

pastel agate
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Well, for one thing it was in the precon and I figured it’s good enough to include

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But yeah

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It being bought back by evo witness is pretty darn good

tall blaze
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I think freestrider lookout is a really key piece I'm missing here. Ramping with 2 mana spells/rocks is too slowwww

pastel agate
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Could always run open the way

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Scales to allow you to double spell, can ramp up to 4 lands in one card, etc

modest lion
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I have had people in my playgroup literally quit because they saw me with both Spore Frog and Evo Witness on board, with Bumble and (presumably) lots of instants in my hand.

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They were right to quit.

pastel agate
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Is a pretty good lock

modest lion
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I run the deck to be a politics / decision making deck, so having things like Spore Frog on the field create the situations that are most interesting to me, where opponents have to make tough decisions. [[!Standoff]] is another of my favorites, for that reason.

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “Standoff”

pastel agate
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Standstill?

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[[standstill]]

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modest lion
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Yup, Standstill. My bad. Working and brain is bad.

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I love that card. For me, Magic is about the interesting decisions people make, and that helps get more of that in a game.

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Plus, easy way to trigger all your "opponents draw cards" payoffs.

tall blaze
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4 planeswalkers feels weird. Of course if you get the innkeepers talent max level they're great but otherwise they kind of feel like expensive sorceries

pastel agate
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I’ll admit I run more planeswalkers than is appropriate

tall blaze
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Trailtracker scout looks great

pastel agate
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Each of the planeswalkers I have in the deck is extremely impactful though

modest lion
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I always assume a Planeswalker is going to be a sorcery. If it's anything more, that's bonus, but I never assume they'll get there.

pastel agate
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With Bumbleflower, you’re very capable of protecting them

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People don’t like to swing two creatures into a walker knowing they’re sacrificing one of them to do so

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And it’s unlikely they’re bigger than your stuff

modest lion
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That's a good point. I'll give it some thought during my next game, see what that'd look like in practice. I don't have Planeswalkers in any of my decks, but I've got a couple I'm very close to including in new decks. So I'll keep that in mind!

pastel agate
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I have ulted planeswalkers way more than you’d expect so

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She is very good at protecting your walkers, initiative, monarch, etc

tall blaze
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I am probably adding both tamiyos

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I guess you also have a fair bit of proliferate to help them along too

pastel agate
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I have 3 main pieces iirc

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Thrummingbird, Apparition, and Dreamtide whale

wintry pine
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Any thoughts about the blue and or white overlord in bumble since we can give evasion? 🙂
And the impending cost is not that high ?
[[!Overlord of the Mistmoors]]
[[!Overlord of the Floodpits]]

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pastel agate
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They’re fine

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White one is kinda bad, blue one is just a bad divination

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There’s more stuff we can run to impact things right away, including having a body right away

sand island
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Planeswalkers are just plane(HA) fun.

pastel agate
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Truly

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Plus if you run extra counter cards + proliferate they get real scary real quick

sand island
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Yeah, I like that one guy for that reason, pir?

pastel agate
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Pir, yeah

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There’s also Laezel

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But pir tutors toothy

sand island
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Yeah! I'll never forget that again!

tall blaze
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freestrider lookout arrived

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pog

sand island
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Probably one of the best cards in the deck

pastel agate
tall blaze
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Just had a super rough game. Guy was playing a deck which I'm pretty sure exists only to annoy people and not win

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It was steal creatures and board wipe

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Rough, I think my deck still depends too much on bumble for draw and counter generation

sand island
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That sounds like my type of deck

tall blaze
pastel agate
tall blaze
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They killed bumbleflower as soon as she came out, I had a 1/3 pollywog prodigy doing absolutely nothing all game lmao

pastel agate
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17 of which are independent of bumble

pastel agate
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Don’t know if you had creatures to back it up but just a tip that’s been helpful for me

tall blaze
sand island
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I've won a few games without playing bumble

tall blaze
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And then mr board wipe flickered the pollywog

sand island
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I usually don't just jam her without setting stuff up

pastel agate
tall blaze
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He had [[treachery]] and just kept flickering it, it was so painful

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pastel agate
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Yeah that’s a no for me

tall blaze
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I'm gonna cut hullbreaker horror - 7 mana is too much if I also want to actually use it

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Or maybe I should just run tutors to get out the op bullshit faster

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But that's no fun

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Yeah I need stuff which repeatedly gives counters

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[[scythecat cub]] perhaps

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tall blaze
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It's kinda like that white one which gives a counter at start of combat, but potentially higher upside

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Or [[bristly bill]]

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tall blaze
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Need Danny pink for this to work

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Ah crap am I just going to make this a landfall deck with all fetches and [[evolution sage]]

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tall blaze
pastel agate
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When rhe deck was at it’s peak I ran gsz and eladamri’s call for Nadu so

pastel agate
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I might use this instead of luminarch aspirant

tall blaze
pastel agate
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Yeah but even pre nadu it was really strong

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That was, like, the peak of it

tall blaze
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I just want strong bunbun

pastel agate
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That list is a pretty strong one

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Probably a bit outdated now but still would do well

tall blaze
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would you add court of garenbrig to that or is that too +1/+1y

pastel agate
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It honestly just wins games on its own

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I’d run it

tall blaze
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oh

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is [[together forever]]... useful

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sand island
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Seems interesting

tall blaze
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strong protection

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[[spore frog]] says hello

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tall blaze
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it can also be used to commit crimes!

sand island
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True

tall blaze
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I'm so tempted to put my enlightened and worldly tutors in the deck

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theyre sitting in binders

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I'm also really thinking about [[pick your poison]]

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tall blaze
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1 mana is so cheap for how flexible it is

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often 3 for 1

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or can be used to force someone to sac something scary by giving it flying with bumble

sand island
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I often don't love those that target each opponent's stuff, as there is usually only one thing you really want to spot remove, and the other removal just make enemies.

tribal temple
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@tall blaze what don’t you like about hullbreaker? It’s one of bumbles best finishers imo

pastel agate
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Ive never been a huge fan of edict effects in commander, they’ve always been exceedingly mid for me

modest lion
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My Bumble is very huggy, and tonight I got to play it at a table with someone else's group hug deck. We each Black Vise'd the two neighboring players and then drew each other out with Wedding Ring and similar effects. Game ended in what was essentially a draw. It was a grand, silly, hug of a time.

tall blaze
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My games are super feast or famine

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Some people see bumble and treat her as kill on sight (when there's a lathril on board?!)

tribal temple
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@modest lion how do you like wedding ring in Bumble? Ive been looking for a deck to run Wedding rin in for ages but it always felt too clunky.

It could be because my pod doesn't really run lifegain affects

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tribal temple
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I run psychic possession in every deck that has blue. I love that card

tall blaze
tribal temple
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Yeah I think people have caught on to her and people know she is very strong now

tall blaze
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Turn 3 bumble can go well but you're right, I need to sandbag her more

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I'm working towards making the deck work more just without her

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I think if you want a super bumble focused deck you need a lot of free spells and free protection

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I like consistency in my decks so I am gonna move away from that to a more counters + draw build where bumble is just a nice to have

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I love a deck with like many copies of each of the important effects. That's why I love Zimone. 21 different ways to get extra lands in per turn. 9 recursion pieces. 12 manifest targets

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The only thing I'm lacking there is more ways to manifest

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I'm thinking about [[life from the loam]] as a solution for missed land drops. Moving to a more fetch based setup

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tall blaze
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But I guess for that you need the whole land recursion package which is basically only doable in a landfall bumbleflower

pastel agate
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Once they’re onto you playing it will usually get to her dying immediately

sand island
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Missing land drops has never been an issue for me

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I probably run too many MDFCs though lmao

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I've had a couple games where I'm playing mdfc lands the first few turns

tribal temple
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I also dont have land drop issues, but I think I run close to the most lands of anyone here

pastel agate
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I run 35

sand island
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I run 37 counting MDFCs

modest lion
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40, I think.

tribal temple
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I run 40 with MDFCs

sand island
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MDFCs are so good

tribal temple
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yeah especially with bounce lands, and I love me some bounce lands

tall blaze
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I have 37 with mdfcs, but I'm gonna add more mdfcs!

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I should add bounce lands really

sand island
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You should

tall blaze
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I have a spare simic growth chamber

tall blaze
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Ok imma order some bounces

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Though idk what to even put in place for them

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Oh they're also great with burgeoning if you have a landfall like [[scythecat cub]] which I am definitely adding

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tall blaze
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Can get burgeoning triggers every turn

sand island
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[[$scythecat cub]]

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tall blaze
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The trick is to be lucky and pull it in a pack

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I think I'm gonna add [[archdruids charm]]. I just love it so much.

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/151/archdruids-charm

Archdruid's Charm <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Choose one —
• Search your library for a creature or land card and reveal it. Put it onto the battlefield tapped if it's a land card. Otherwise, put it into your hand. Then shuffle.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. It deals damage equal to its power to target creature you don't control.
• Exile target artifact or enchantment.

tall blaze
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And with it probably [[talon gates of madara]] and some other utility lands

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tall blaze
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Hmm looking at utility lands. [[gavony township]] and [[karn's bastion]] seem good

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tall blaze
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[[novijen]]

brave folioBOT
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Multiple cards match “novijen”, can you be more specific?

tall blaze
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[[novijen heart]]

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wintry pine
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I need one more cut in my list.
What do you think about this Deck for a more casual playgroup? We don't play: Farewell, Rhystic Study, Moon Effects, only one Boardwipe per Deck, no infinite combos, no land destrucion. Did I miss anything?

Deck should be focused on +1/+1 counters and wants to win via good politics and combat damage 🙂
Also I never played one round with this commander I like to brew my Decks as good as possible and then order everything 🙂

Hope someone can help me .. and also have read about bounce lands and mdfc maybe I can add some to make the deck feel and look more clunky?

https://archidekt.com/decks/11484851/thumble_into_flowers

Archidekt
Thumble into Flowers • (Commander deck) • Archidekt

Ms. Bumbleflower - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (3) Artifact • (27) Creature • (7) Enchantment • (22) Instant • (36) Land • (5) Sorcery

tribal temple
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I gotta say only one wipe per deck is crazy to me lol

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Doesn’t the person that gets the best start win?

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@wintry pine personally I’d remove one or both of the “untap all lands” effects. They don’t do much in this style of deck

wintry pine
wintry pine
tribal temple
wintry pine
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Which dash enablers ?
What are good mdfcs for bumble because I want to add the bounce lands as well 🙂

tall blaze
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just had leyline in opening hand

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it is crazy

tribal temple
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I meant flash XD

modest lion
# tribal temple Doesn’t the person that gets the best start win?

I don't typically run board wipes in any of my decks. I run ways to survive them or counter them, but I don't run them myself. Plenty of targeted disruption and mass disruption (using some new Command Zone phrases I liked), but not board wipes. Just doesn't create games that I feel like end in an enjoyable way.

tribal temple
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I like to run lots of enchanment engines and artifacts so I like to play those and then on turn 5/6 wipe

modest lion
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Yup, pretty standard play style for lots of people. Set up, one sided board wipe, try and win as soon as possible thereafter.

I run lots of permanent removal (hitting more than just creatures) and lots of protection. I'll try and shut down your engine and survive your board wipe.

A game ending because of a wipe just isn't fun to me. But to each their own! If that's an enjoyable way to close things out for you, I wish you all the luck in the world (except against me)! 🙂

pastel agate
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Gamers, Bumble took another win tonight

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It was a hard fought battle though

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I feel like my LGS/playgroup is catching up to my bumble in terms of knowing what to stop and when

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But the balance of removal/protection/draw has been immaculately tight so far

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Always having juuuust the right stuff

tall blaze
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ok so I hate infinite combos but this was funny as hell

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pastel agate
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That’s not infinite is it?

tall blaze
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I also had bumble out

pastel agate
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Ohhh wait it sure is

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I figured you did

tall blaze
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it only went infinite because he had an [[Alhammarret's Archive]] in play though

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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That’s funny as hell

tall blaze
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he had a lot of treasures

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so he could pay the tax

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but I was spending 1 treasure for every 4 of his

pastel agate
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Did you end up winning?

tall blaze
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yes

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on his turn

pastel agate
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Hell yeah

tall blaze
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two enemies on 3 bil life

pastel agate
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Another win for bumblers

tall blaze
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he windfalls, my smothering tithe gives me 14 treasures

pastel agate
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Ew

tall blaze
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windfall gives me hullbreaker horror and [[High Fae Trixter]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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so I can flash in both and then start flashing in the mana rocks

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on his turn

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to kill both opponents

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I was so sure I was dead when the guy created a billion boromirs and they both gained billions of life

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it was a 20 minute turn though

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it took a while to work out how the combo would work // if it worked

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I still feel so behind so much of the time, need to make adjustments still to get more draw

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oh oh, also, I put a [[shadowspear]] on a 17/17 [[giggling skitterspike]], attacked with it, then opponent path'd it

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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so I gained 104 life

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although thinking about it now it was actually an 18/18

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I often feel like I dont have enough creatures

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so no targets for bumble

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so put counters on her

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she becomes threat

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she dies

pastel agate
brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/219/riptide-gearhulk

Riptide Gearhulk <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Double strike
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
When this creature enters, for each opponent, put up to one target nonland permanent that player controls into its owner's library third from the top.
2/5

wintry pine
tall blaze
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I need to get a second great henge

pastel agate
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Check the pinned messages

tall blaze
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omg

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added tamiyo to the deck

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ulted her turn 6

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yeah ok maybe I like planeswalkers now

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need more proliferate

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I need more cards which add initial +1/+1 counters in a repeatable way

pastel agate
tall blaze
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I like flip tamiyo too as just a body

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with upside!

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fetchable by gearhulk

sand island
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I love Planeswalkers

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I need to play [[radstorm]] sometime

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Yeah they’re really good

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They’re must answer but it’s hard to swing into when you have a 21/25 bumble lol

sand island
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Yeah, bumble having vigi healps a toon

tall blaze
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Any suggestions for cards which can repeatedly put counters on stuff? I find currently that without bumbleflower I just have a lot of hardened scale effects but not enough counter putters

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[[zimone, paradox sculptor]] looks like potential

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/126/zimone-paradox-sculptor

Zimone, Paradox Sculptor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two target creatures you control.
managmanau, manat: Double the number of each kind of counter on up to two target creatures and/or artifacts you control.
"Extraplanar geometry isn't so hard once you get used to thinking in twelve dimensions."
1/4

tall blaze
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[[herald of the secret streams]] hmm

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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[[bred for the hunt]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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[[denry klin]] similar to arwen but adds in vigi and first strike options for one more mana

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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[[anduril, narsil reforged]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Is [[vorniclex, monstrous raider]]... good? I guess it's a doubling (tripling?) season for one extra mana which also actual does things

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/khm/199/vorinclex-monstrous-raider

Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample, haste
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.
If an opponent would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, they put half that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead, rounded down.
6/6

crystal quest
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[[case of the trampled garden]]

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/156/case-of-the-trampled-garden

Case of the Trampled Garden <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Case
When this Case enters, distribute two +1/+1 counters among one or two target creatures you control.
To solve — Creatures you control have total power 8 or greater. (If unsolved, solve at the beginning of your end step.)
Solved — Whenever you attack, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature. It gains trample until end of turn.

crystal quest
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[[fight rigging]

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[[fight rigging]]

brave folioBOT
crystal quest
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There’s a lot of +1/+1 support in enchantments if you wanted to shift into a more enchantment focused build [[oath of the ancient wood]] can do wild things

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I'm thinking about adding some better protection too. I only have one piece of protection, so I think I need more stuff like [[dawns truce]] and [[heroic intervention]], but it's so so hard to cut for them

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Hmm, [[virtue of loyalty]], too expensive?

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I imagine with Danny pink out it could be very nice

crystal quest
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Doesn’t do the untap but for 2 less you get [[brokers’ ascendancy]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I'm thinking of [[kodama of the west]] too

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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[[kros, defense]] looks like it would be super fun too

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/7/kros-defense-contractor

Kros, Defense Contractor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Advisor
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a shield counter on target creature an opponent controls.
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, tap that creature and goad it. It gains trample until your next turn. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
2/4

crystal quest
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Kodama’s nutty

tall blaze
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I guess I'm leaning in to +1/+1 counters hard

urban marten
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Guys am I the problem? I was playing yesterday and somehow got away with resolving [[Tamiyo, Field Researcher]] 7 loyalty ability with no creatures on my field and 10 life.... Also I had trouble on pairs up so was drawing a bunch of cards 😬. Anyway now they're saying they're bullying me from now on 😭😭

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/inr/249/tamiyo-field-researcher

Tamiyo, Field Researcher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+1: Choose up to two target creatures. Until your next turn, whenever either of those creatures deals combat damage, you draw a card.
−2: Tap up to two target nonland permanents. They don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
−7: Draw three cards. You get an emblem with "You may cast spells from your hand without paying their mana costs."
Loyalty: 4

urban marten
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I won that game btw 😅

tribal temple
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why did no one attack that Tamiyo lol

urban marten
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Well the board was wiped so everyone had summon sickness 😅

tall blaze
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representing bumblers

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btw I really would love to arrange an all-bumble pod with you guys

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condition that you use your bumble deck as-is, so no changing it up given you know it's a 4 bumble pod

tall blaze
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damning verdict has arrived

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as has view from above

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lets see whats worth swapping out

wanton pendant
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how are you guys building bumble right now? ive got her pretty juiced up rn as like an infinite mill typa idea. Just curious what yall are running

wanton pendant
tribal temple
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@wanton pendant if you check the pinned messages you can see a bunch of our decks! We each have our own flavor 😛

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feel free to ask about any of them

wanton pendant
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Ah I see

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Most are running beat down decks i see

tribal temple
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yeah, a few have tried mill recently but I dont think they had much luck yet

pastel agate
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@sand island was trying mill to little luck, we try not to do combos but I’m sure a combo deck works well

wanton pendant
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ah. yea i leaned into combo for this build. TLDR my pod decided to each make one "strong" deck, otherwise we play fairly casual decks, i chose bumble and im competing with decks like stella lee so i decided i needed combo

tall blaze
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I see hullbreaker mill and shrieking drake mill in there

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Oh, crystalline crawler too

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Oh wow sage of hours is broken as hell in a counters deck

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Court of garenbrig and hardened scales and sage of hours = infinite turns

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Crystalline crawler looks like a great add in general but it goes infinite quite easily

tall blaze
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What is some suitable graveyard hate for us - thinking agathas maybe for the +1/+1 stuff, or relic of progenitus since its fetchable with brightglass

tall blaze
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Or just go whole hog with [[rest in peace]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Shutting down aristocrats and graveyard decks in one

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[[soul-guide lantern]] pretty nice too

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I'm not getting much value out of [[pollywog prodigy]] - I hoped it would be a bit like an Esper sentinel but it really isn't putting in the work I had hoped for

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Ooh [[walking ballista]] can be pulled by [[brightglass gearhulk]]

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/191/brightglass-gearhulk

Brightglass Gearhulk <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Construct
First strike, trample
When this creature enters, you may search your library for up to two artifact, creature, and/or enchantment cards with mana value 1 or less, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
"A new day dawns for Avishkar, and we shall draw our power from its light."
4/4

tall blaze
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I'm loving the gearhulk more and more

tribal temple
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I cut walking ballista becasue without [[Agatha's Soul Cauldron]] I didnt think it was too good. Are you guys getting success even with cauldron?

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I don't run cauldron but have been looking at it as just a graveyard hate piece. But I think I would prefer something like [[soul-guide lantern]], [[relic of progenitus]] or [[ghost vacuum]] as they are tutorable by both urza's saga and the gearhulk

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I just feel like the lack of graveyard hate is a big weakness in my deck

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I also lack much on-board interaction

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Might need to add some creature removal beyond the any-permanent stuff like generous gift

tribal temple
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Agatha's Soul Cauldron isn't really used for GY hate. Its used because the synergy with the +1/+1 counters

tall blaze
tall blaze
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Rest in peace is a dead card in a pod without anyone who cares about graveyards

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And actively hurts my [[snapcaster mage]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Thinking of maybe [[bristly bill]] rather than [[scythecat cub]] just because the double landing is hard but the counter doubling can win games

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Also I'm considering [[wizard class]] again, since I'm planning to add [[danny pink]] and it is tutorable with my gearhulk bby

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I cut it because it went infinite with [[fathom mage]] but I'm cutting the mage for Danny so

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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When you draw a card, put a counter on every creature you control, then draw a card for each creature you control is pretty cool

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Also tutorable infinite hand size is valuable

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Even just a boring 4 mana draw two cards isn't terrible

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I can't seem to get Heliod the radiant dawn to work

pastel agate
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New cards relevant to bumble

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Taigam slaps

tall blaze
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Like if I can afford to put 7 mana in I probably am way ahead anyway

tall blaze
pastel agate
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Not only does he let you keep your spell, he gives you a second copy of it

pastel agate
tall blaze
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Oh right the original doesn't go off though

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The copy does

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So it's a delayed [[storm of saruman]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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But in 4 turns you get the original anyway

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Maybe a bit slow but with how cheap it is

tall blaze
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And it's just a sweet 2 mana

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I would run it

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Suspending board wipes would be funny

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Oh also it makes countering a bit weird too

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Since you can't counter it

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You cast it, Taigam triggers, so even if they counter the copy, you still have the original suspended

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The tenth doctor would LOVE this

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I'm seriously considering cutting [[pollywog prodigy]] and [[psychic posession]]. They so rarely do anything for me

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Pollywog does a lot for me, just takes a slight bit of setup

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Give it a few counters and you can ignore it from there

tall blaze
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Maybe I'm not setting it up right

tall blaze
pastel agate
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Your playgroup seems to be very removal heavy

tall blaze
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I'm just trying to find things to cut for Danny pink and the duelist

pastel agate
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So keeping bumble on board seems like a chore

tall blaze
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People hate the bumbler

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I think my problems go away with more card draw

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I say problems... I have like a 35% winrate

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But I'm always tweaking

pastel agate
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itches arm like an addict yeah, drawing cards is always the answer

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It’s totally not addictive or anything you should totally run more

tall blaze
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I gotta cut card draw to add card draw

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Cutting frantic search

pastel agate
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Yeah, “free” spells are mid

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I want to advance my board

tall blaze
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Exactly

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Though I'm gonna add an [[obscuring haze]] if I can find a spot for it

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Holyyyyy, Taigam is crazy

tall blaze
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I swear every game I lose I wish I had a fog (duh)

pastel agate
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I run fog frog

sand island
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fog frog fog frog

pastel agate
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Technically I should probably run Constant Mists but I’m not cringe

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Plus there’s shenanigans with evo wit that can buy it back

pastel agate
sand island
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Yeah constant mists feels too cheesy and boring for me to want to run it ever

tall blaze
sand island
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You can also fetch it up with brightglass

tall blaze
sand island
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God fog frog

tall blaze
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You know just how to make me want things

pastel agate
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We’ve been bumbling for a while now

sand island
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Some say I've been bumbling all my life

pastel agate
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Our lord and savior foggius mcfroggius

tall blaze
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What about [[angus mackenzie]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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It has a body!

pastel agate
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Eh

tall blaze
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Also I saw uhhh [[archimedes]] and I loved it

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “archimedes”

tall blaze
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Uh no

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What's he called

sand island
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Leonardo?

tall blaze
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[[aristotle]]?

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “aristotle”

sand island
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[[Sokrates]]

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/acr/67/sokrates-athenian-teacher

Sokrates, Athenian Teacher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Defender
Sokrates has hexproof as long as it's untapped.
Sokratic Dialogue — manat: Until end of turn, target creature gains "If this creature would deal combat damage to a player, prevent that damage. This creature's controller and that player each draw half that many cards, rounded down."
0/4

pastel agate
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Just run [[John Benton]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Be like me and run both 😎

pastel agate
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He’s better than Sokrates

pastel agate
tall blaze
sand island
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John is such a house though, and I love maze of ith style effects

tall blaze
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I knew it was some philosopher

sand island
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I need to find a place for [[thaumatic compass]]

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/xln/249/thaumatic-compass-spires-of-orazca

Thaumatic Compass <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
mana3, manat: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
At the beginning of your end step, if you control seven or more lands, transform this artifact.
"Clearly, it indicates the aetheric azimuth of . . ." —Jace Beleren

Spires of Orazca
Land
(Transforms from Thaumatic Compass.)
manat: Add manac.
manat: Untap target attacking creature an opponent controls and remove it from combat.
". . . a cryptic objective." —Jace Beleren

tall blaze
pastel agate
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My fellow bumblers, we are, as of this message, the largest thread in the server ❤️🐰

tall blaze
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I just need more protection

sand island
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Socrates described as "some philosopher" 😔

tall blaze
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Maybe dawns truce and heroic intervention

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But free spells are so much more annoying

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Constant mists looks amazing wtf

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How is this card allowed

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Landfall decks exist

sand island
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Ureni's Rebuff seems bad because it's sorcery speed tbh

sand island
tall blaze
sand island
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I mean, sure

tall blaze
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[[alchemists's refuge]] is my new third best friend

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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After bumble and gearhulk ofc

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It gives me the flash feels without taking up a precious slot

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I run 37 lands, including mdfcs. @pastel agate I know you run 35. Do you find yourself mana screwed much? I feel like cutting lands is heresy but I neeeeed to find cuts

sand island
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I feel very pip heavy, so colorless lands have to be really good

pastel agate
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I have found 35 is just enough but I’ve had to be pretty aggressive with mulligans so

tall blaze
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I whiffed two times in a row with my lookout yesterday

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It was unpleasant

tall blaze
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The lookout also put literally the best cards in my deck on the bottom smh

sand island
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It's tough not to run [[rogue's passage]] on the off chance there's a flying blocker

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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bumble has to have a couple important pieces within the top ~10 cards including the starting 7 for the deck to run perfectly smoothly, and that’s 3 lands, a 2 mana ramp spell and 2 board-advancing spells you can cast t4

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That line of play is the perfect setup for bumble

pastel agate
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Will be rectifying that tonight

tall blaze
tall blaze
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I need to swap some of my mana rocks to land ramp

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Gonna swap arcane signet to rampant growth

pastel agate
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It’s not really “perfect” when you’ve got a lot of possibilities within that framework

pastel agate
tall blaze
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Signets get removed, lands are forever (ish)!

pastel agate
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  1. It’s Arcane signet
  2. What other rocks are you running that are better than arcane signet?
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The answer is none

tall blaze
pastel agate
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Soooooo

tall blaze
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Why rock when land ramp exists though

sand island
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I should put Arcane Signet back in

tall blaze
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I mean I do have thought vessel but I'll probably cut that before signet

pastel agate
sand island
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Especially in double spelling

tall blaze
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This is true. But so can [[natures lore]]

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Having an even spread is fine

pastel agate
tall blaze
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I have 15 pieces of ramp right now

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Only 7 2 mana though

pastel agate
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I have 8

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The deck can just curve out fwiw

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Just not the ideal

tall blaze
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Yeah, I should mulligan harder

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My mulligan policy tends to be if I have 3 lands and full bant coverage, I keep

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Even if that means turns 1-3 are land pass

pastel agate
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Fetches and surveils help the early game too

tall blaze
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Ok I'm ordering a [[constant mists]] for Zimone

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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If you’ve got two lands and one or two of them are fetches, you can chew through an additional two cards at minimum

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That makes it obscenely likely to find what you need

tall blaze
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Saccing lands seems like a small price for being a total ass

pastel agate
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While also binning permanents to bring back later

tall blaze
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I want to add off fetches but I don't have enough fetchable lands to justify it

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I'm getting slapped by failing to find with natures lore

tall blaze
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Only [[bala ged recovery]] and [[evolution witness]]

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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I have like 7 islands and 6 forests

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(Between basics, shocks and surveils)

pastel agate
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That card is absurd

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And free

tall blaze
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But I guess it's just a mana dork until then

pastel agate
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You hit it naturally in the later part of the game

tall blaze
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True

pastel agate
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And when you do, why not buy back your backbreaking planeswalker for the cost of playing your cards you were going to anyway?

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99% of the time you won’t need a 1 mana dork, but a 2 mana dork that fits the curve for bumble and regrowths cards later in the game is gas

tall blaze
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Selvala looks good right

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When you have a big creature

pastel agate
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I defer to my decklist, yeah she’s real good

tall blaze
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The draw bit less relevant

pastel agate
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The draw is flavor text with bumble

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In light of that I also run Kami of Whispered Hopes and Heronblade Elite

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Heronblade is definitely the worst of the bunch though

tall blaze
pastel agate
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Are we talking feels good, or works the best?

sand island
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The card that gives me the most dopamine is John Benton

tall blaze
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Maybe most impactful/helps to win mostest/actually gets played

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Rather than pet cards

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Hullbreaker is often a game winner if it gets played but it probably sits in your hard or gets discarded to hand size often so isn't a contender

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And I know you don't run it

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But that's just an example of not good

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Like court of garenbrig is probably up there

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Innkeepers talent is a big one for me too

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...also profts

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Seemingly most repeatable counter putters 😄

pastel agate
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Most Dopamine (in no particular order):

  1. Shabraz, the Skyshark
  2. Hakbal of the Surging Soul
  3. Court of Garenbrig
  4. Faerie Mastermind
  5. Ledger Shredder

Most Impactful (no particular order):

  1. Court of Garenbrig
  2. Cyclonic Rift (duh)
  3. Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider
  4. Heroic Intervention/Dawn’s Truce/Flawless Maneuver/Tef Pro
  5. Tragic Arrogance
tall blaze
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Vorniclex, really? It's so expensive!

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Yeah I should really get more heroic intervention style stuff

pastel agate
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You’d be surprised just how many decks incidentally get shut down from vorinclex

tribal temple
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Most Dopamine (in no particular order):

  1. Amphibian Downpour
  2. Tidal Barracuda
  3. Court of Garenbrig
  4. Faerie Mastermind
  5. Zimone, Paradox Sculptor

Most Impactful (no particular order):

  1. Exploration
  2. Proft's Eidetic Memory
  3. View from Above
  4. Ripples of Potential/Dawn’s Truce
  5. Freestrider Lookout
pastel agate
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Exploration is so real

tribal temple
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I need to pick up Court of Garenbrig still because it seems like that card puts in work. @tall blaze I will say we sound like we have differnt play styles because I felt like my deck was over drawing, and you seem to not have enough

tall blaze
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I mostly just mulligan for the three lands

tribal temple
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A lot of times Im drawing into draw and drawing more draw lol.

tribal temple
tall blaze
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eventuall you'll draw into something good!

tribal temple
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But thats why I also run 40 lands, so I can be more picky.

tribal temple
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(well I do)

pastel agate
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You end up winning doing that so

tribal temple
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true, I am only removing 2 draw cards that I didnt get much value from. Stuff like [[Enduring Curiosity]] and [[Dusk Legion Duelist]] dont really draw me that many cards and I think Court of Garenbrig and something similar will give me more value

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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I like dusk legion for how cheap it is

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And vigilance is extremely helpful

tribal temple
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Thats true, I should probably prioritize that card more.

tall blaze
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How are you finding wizard class

tribal temple
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I like it

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the no max handsize is super valuable

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plus when I cant double spell its really nice to have a mana dump

pastel agate
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It got cut for me

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It got cut for [[proft’s eidetic memory]], actually

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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But then that got cut too

tall blaze
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I love profts

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If only because it cantrips on a permanent

tall blaze
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now do I go and buy a set of og duals just to have more fetchable lands

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ooh, I have a selvala in my collection

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yoink

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@pastel agate I notice you run the full set of bounce lands - why is that? Wouldn't a normal tap land achieve mostly the same?

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I mean just adding the bond lands would solve a lot

pastel agate
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It also allows for things like buying back MDFCs for their spell side, and guaranteeing getting two land drops with exploration/burgeoning out

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(Plus I just like them)

tribal temple
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They are like drawing an extra land.

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Im with @pastel agate that bounce lands should go in most decks, even more so if you run MDFCs but they help to ensure you hit a land drop every turn

pastel agate
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In fact I should be running the two fight spell ones tbh

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They would be invaluable

sand island
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Love bounce lands, love mdfcs

tall blaze
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Ok imma put in some bouncies

tall blaze
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But that means cutting untapped lands which feels wild

sand island
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I even run [[jiwari disruption]] for mdfcs, which has turned out to be more useful than I thought it would be

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “jiwari disruption”

tall blaze
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Yeah imma add more mdfcs and bounce lands I guess

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But I'm also lacking fetchable lands then

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[[jwari distuption]]

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “jwari distuption”

tall blaze
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Damn spelling is hard

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[[jwari disruption]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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It's probably the 5th best blue mdfc, but it's pretty good

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Hmm let me think. Seagate Restoration -> Sink into Stupor -> Glasspool Mimic -> Hydroelectric Specimen -> Silundi Vision

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[[boxing ring]] veeeery specific

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Oops, wrong channel 😛

tall blaze
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seagate restoration seems wild

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its a LOT of mana for something with a floor of draw 1 card

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and if you have a lot of cards in hand, why would you spend 7 mana to draw more, rather than spend that mana to... actually do something?

pastel agate
crystal quest
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From the Q earlier, cards I am happiest to see:
Dreamtide Whale
Final Showdown
Faerie Mastermind
Psychic Possession

Does the Most Work:
Freestrider Lookout
Faerie Mastermind
March of Swirling Mists
Kami of Whispered Hopes
On the Trail

tribal temple
pastel agate
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But that 0.1% of the time it usually draws about 5 cards, can go up way higher if you’re popping off and need just one more relevant piece

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Or want to dig to sculpt a hand that stops your opponents from interacting with you in the late game

urban marten
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U guys be giving me a few tech cards to look through that I never Heard of ❤️

urban marten
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Should I run [[Cathars' Crusade]]? I like it tbh but just nkt sure

brave folioBOT
tribal temple
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eh

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I like that card better in token decks

urban marten
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I prefer it in a go wide deck that spams out creatures tbh

tribal temple
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yeah and we dont do that much spamming of creature in bumbleflower really

sand island
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[[kami of false hope]] is a good alternative to fog frog

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Really cool art too actually

tribal temple
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I think the fog I like the best is the spider

sand island
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[[arachnogenesis]]?

brave folioBOT
tribal temple
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[[Spike Weaver]]

brave folioBOT
urban marten
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The only times I've ever had issues with attacks coming at me is when I didn't have big wall bumbleflower tbh

sand island
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Oh yeah, Spike Weaver is cool

tribal temple
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but tbh I am not a fan of turbo fogs. Most decks aren't build to deal with a reoccuring fog and I dont want to lock people out

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[[constant mists]] is another one id never run

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Spike weaver is at least a creature and can be dealt with easier

tribal temple
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yeah 100%

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and it does cost mana

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Spike weaver I might actually try out

sand island
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I see what you mean though

urban marten
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Spike Weaver gives me the vibes of a chill guy who'll help out the table... Or make someone mad cause it'll be funny adds to list

urban marten
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Or at least that how it usually is in my pod... And by bigger threat I mean bumble herself or hopefully someone else whos a more obvious threat

sand island
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If the bug is stopping you from winning, you can at least remove it with the very common creature removal

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Unlike Constant Mists

urban marten
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Well it's more for how I play the deck. I don't really have much problems with damage cause I tend to focus more of drawing cards and having bigger bodies than them. So damage protection only really helps me in bad situations. If the bug stops them from winning I've already lost tbh 😂😔

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I plan to use it to prolong games and keep certain players in the game. Example if the archenemy suddenly loses advantage and I think it's more beneficial to keep them alive a turn

tribal temple
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Ill trade you pods XD

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cause my pod likes to go wide and craterhoof me

sand island
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Hmmm, yeah. A big dude won't save you from a board of many things.

urban marten
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Oop

sand island
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I love fogs personally

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They are usually better as surprises, and not things sitting on the board though

urban marten
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Well my pod is basically just newbees so that's probably why😅

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We been playing for about 7 months 😅

sand island
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Opponent swings out with everything to kill you, you fog, and now they have no blockers

urban marten
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Yes usually of a player starts getting a big field they get hated on by the table usually

sand island
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Well, it typically only matters in a 1v1 scenario

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As the only combat you'll want to fog is the one that loses you the game

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Then you can clap back with a big bumbleflower to win

urban marten
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Oh well in that situation

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I've found [[aetherize]] and [[riot control]] to work nicely

brave folioBOT
urban marten
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Also used [[illusiionists gambit]] once to basically destroy a whole 3 way truce agreement against me once. It was hillafious tbh

brave folioBOT
urban marten
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Late game mana isn't really an issue cause I have exclusively 1-4 mana cost cards... And budget hoof lander aka [[kaldonkan hydra]]... OK I'm starting to see why they hate my bunny now

brave folioBOT
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No card found for “kaldonkan hydra”

tribal temple
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My group also hates the bunny

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but some how they dislike lots of my decks. Its just the commander way 🤷‍♂️

sand island
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My group also hates all of my decks

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It's the drawback of being so good at commander

tribal temple
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lmao

sand island
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😎

tribal temple
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My winrate is only 35%!

sand island
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That's good!

tribal temple
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They should let bumble win 100% of the time. I am giving them cards after all, its the least they could do

sand island
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What, do they hate charity?!?

urban marten
urban marten
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Tbh first time I read bumbleflower I was sceptical if she was any good... Then I played her. Now I'm lla believer. My deck has better cards. Who cares if u get 2 free cards every turn 🤣

tribal temple
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Being able to choose who gets them is so powerful

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Bumble change the type of commander player I am. Because of her I play a lot more hug commanders. The Council of Four has become my second most played

tall blaze
tall blaze
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Or maybe I remove the high fae trixter completely

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@pastel agate you dropped profts - what was your reasoning?

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I'm trying to find cuts and it might be one. It doesn't do as much as I need

tall blaze
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Hmm vorinclex is basically a doubling season with a body and some downside for opponents right

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Maybe worth running

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Hm is [[cauldron of souls]] anything useful

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Potentially repeatable board protection

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But expensive

sand island
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5 mana is too much, and it doesn't protect against exile

urban marten
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Thoughts on this card? [[Falco Spara, Pactweaver]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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I don't really think we need help with card advantage

tall blaze
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[[Sage of Hours]] seems... really broken?

brave folioBOT
tall blaze
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Takes you way out of bracket 3

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Just being in the deck

pastel agate
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With just bumbleflower that’s a hard sell

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It would usually need to be answered the second it comes down, but if it has to last a turn rotation it’d certainly get killed

tall blaze
brave folioBOT
sand island
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have you guys tried [[nerd rage]] at all?

brave folioBOT
pastel agate
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Nah, I’m usually never above 7 cards unless I’m already popping off

sand island
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Hmm I feel like there must be some way to abuse this [[nadir kraken]]

brave folioBOT
tribal temple
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I havent even heard of nerd rage but I think I have a few decks that want it lol

wintry pine
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OMG beautiful 😮

image.png
sand island
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They sure are

wintry pine
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How much more expensive you think they will be? 😮 Wanna get them aaaaaaaaaal

sand island
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Who knows?

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It's a fool's errand to estimate

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Current printings run $20-30

urban marten
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🤕🤕 Rip. The best lands are all expensive makes mtcry everytime tbh

spring narwhal
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Can anyone decipher what these cards are so I can determine if I want them

sand island
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Which cards?

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Oh I gotcha, one sec

spring narwhal
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All five of those, and thank you

sand island
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[[thundertrap trainer|BLB|307]]

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/blb/307/thundertrap-trainer

Thundertrap Trainer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Otter Wizard
Offspring mana4 (You may pay an additional mana4 as you cast this spell. If you do, when this creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
When this creature enters, look at the top four cards of your library. You may reveal a noncreature, nonland card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
1/2

sand island
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[[mistbreath elder|BLB|323]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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[[dour port-mage|blb|303]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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[[essence channeler]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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[[fabled passage]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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That's all of them

spring narwhal
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thank you very much!

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my app to scan them couldnt scan the full arts unfortunately

sand island
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np ❤️

tall blaze
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Hmm "free" untap lands spells do look more appealing when you run bounce lands

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But still probably not worth it

wintry pine
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Guys what we think about this for bumble 😮

[[Taigam, Master Opportunist]]

brave folioBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/60/taigam-master-opportunist

Taigam, Master Opportunist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Flurry - Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, copy it, then exile the spell you cast with four time counters on it. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend. (At the beginning of its owner's upkeep, they remove a time counter. When the last is removed, they may play it without paying its mana cost. If it's a creature, it has haste.)
2/2

crystal quest
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Four turns is a long time - play him on curve, double spell turn three, and I get maybe 2 free casts before the game ends

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Mayyyybe there’s a Dr Who inspired bumble list that wants to play with suspend but a lot of the good stuff that I know of involves red

pastel agate
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I had rose colored glasses at the shiny new toy

crystal quest
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He looks so exciting! But I think unless you’re doubling spelling on everyone’s turn (or multiple turns per rotation) he may not be as good as he looks at first

pastel agate
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Bumble suspend/cascade/cast from exile is a neat idea though

solemn hamlet
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I don't remember spoiler rules For this server but I just saw something incredible.

pastel agate
solemn hamlet
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Oh ok it's a preview actually

tribal temple
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Which card was it @solemn hamlet

solemn hamlet
tribal temple
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oh yeah, thats gonna be an expensive card

solemn hamlet
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Yup, staple in every single blue deck lmao

tribal temple
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and modern players will pay any amount for their cards and I imagine this will be a modern staple

pastel agate
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I don’t think I’ll run it, mostly because I just don’t care about counterspells that much in my meta

sand island
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Same, cool land though

tribal temple
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Id run it if it was like $3 but given the price I expect it to be, I dont think its worth it. Most people run less than 3 counters in their whole deck

urban marten
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Thoughts? [[Knowledge Is Power]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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Kinda like an expensive [[proft's eidetic]]

brave folioBOT
sand island
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In which case I much prefer proft's, as it's permanent value, benefits from counter doubling, and we rarely have a wide board.

urban marten
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I already run profit tbb

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Was just looking through some bulk and saw it

sand island
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I think I prefer [[jolrael]] to knowledge is power tbh

brave folioBOT
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Multiple cards match “jolrael”, can you be more specific?

urban marten
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It's a five drop too the only above 5 mama card I run is Council of four

sand island
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5 mama card Blurry_eyes

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Reminds me I need to get a copy of frog mama to try out