Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

[tribal temple]

I haven't drawn her yet sadly

[modest lion]

Mine is mostly 3 and then 2, with a good amount of 4, which is higher than any of my other decks.

[sand island]

This is one of mine heh

Actually, I love high mv apparently

Those both cheat though

[modest lion]

I broke out in hives looking at those charts.

I don't cheat things out because my brain is too small - I just pay as little as I can, and keep moving.

[sand island]

The bottom of the two is [[purphoros bronze blooded]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/150/purphoros-bronze-blooded

Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to red is less than five, Purphoros isn't a creature.
Other creatures you control have haste.
: You may put a red creature card or an artifact creature card from your hand onto the battlefield. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
7/6

[sand island]

Sneak attack in the command zone lets you play whatever you want mostly

Oh and my Keruga companion mv lol

[sand island]

I cheat because my brain is small!

[pastel agate]

Something I’ve learned is that the lower the curve you can possibly make your deck the better

If the card is above 4mv it better have a damn good reason

[sand island]

Yeah that's probably true, especially with so many Commanders giving card advantage.

I'm just drawn to the scenarios where that's not the case, or cheat the rule

[spring narwhal]

Does anyone know if the Raised foil anime Bumbleflower will steadily and slowly raise in price? Or could there a possibility that it drops for any reason?

[pastel agate]

It will continue to rise

The market price is also misleading

It is selling for $800ish currently

Hm, it’s dipped slightly

[tribal temple]

My Avg MV is so much lower lol

[tall blaze]

Yeah I struggle with my bumble

It has a big spike on 4 cmc

[pastel agate]

I’d recommend finding cheaper replacements where you can

[pastel agate]

I have found that replacing fathom mage with [[dusk legion duelist]] has proven very useful

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/11/dusk-legion-duelist

Dusk Legion Duelist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Vampire Soldier
Vigilance
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
"We sailed to Ixalan guided by a promise—the Age of Everflowing Blood. No machine will take that from us."
2/2

[pastel agate]

You don’t need every spell to draw

Since you’re only casting two or three

[sand island]

I like fathom mage with [[communal brewing]] a lot though

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/29/communal-brewing

Communal Brewing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, any number of target opponents each draw a card. Put an ingredient counter on this enchantment, then put an ingredient counter on it for each card drawn this way.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, that creature enters with X additional +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of ingredient counters on this enchantment.

[sand island]

Becomes a draw 4

[pastel agate]

[[fathom mage]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/339/fathom-mage

Fathom Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever a +1/+1 counter is put on this creature, you may draw a card.
1/1

[pastel agate]

oh neat

Still, you’ll be fine without burst draw

[tribal temple]

I actually have been cutting down the draw in bumble.

In most decks I run 10-12 but I think bumble needs only 7/8

[sand island]

I played [[cultivator colossus]] last night with [[ruin crab]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/190/cultivator-colossus

Cultivator Colossus <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Plant Beast
Trample
Cultivator Colossus's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control.
When this creature enters, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped. If you do, draw a card and repeat this process.
*/*

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/75/ruin-crab

Ruin Crab <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Crab
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, each opponent mills three cards. (To mill a card, a player puts the top card of their library into their graveyard.)
To an explorer, a priceless treasure. To the crab, a rock to call home.
0/3

[sand island]

I missed all my draws 🙃

[tribal temple]

Was that Mill bumble you were playing?

[sand island]

Yeah

Didn't even come close to milling effectively, but I will work at it.

Mostly that I didn't hit my mill cards until like turn 7

I do have 25 [[persistent petitioners]] I could put in, but it would cease being a bumbleflower deck at that point lol

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/53/persistent-petitioners

Persistent Petitioners <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Advisor
, : Target player mills a card. (They put the top card of their library into their graveyard.)
Tap four untapped Advisors you control: Target player mills twelve cards.
A deck can have any number of cards named Persistent Petitioners.
1/3

[tall blaze]

I picked up my new bumble today

[tall blaze]

Well I picked up a copy of each of the precons

Bloomburrow that is

[tall blaze]

Just seen this list which focuses on [[Aluren]] combo https://moxfield.com/decks/ajGYTec9jUKULAYZk2V49A

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/165/aluren

Aluren <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Any player may cast creature spells with mana value 3 or less without paying their mana costs and as though they had flash.
Squee bounced up and down. "I sees a horsey, an' a piggy, an' a—" "If you don't shut up," hissed Mirri, "you'll see a kidney and a spleeny."

[pastel agate]

Yup! We’d theorized aluren combos as being one of the big ones

It’d be a fun combo to pull off

[tall blaze]

I run so many (see: two) combos in Zimone that I want to run bumbleflower without combos (at least intentionally)

I will of course run smothering tithe and shrieking drake which can be an infinite combo if not answered

But that's because both cards are great for bumbleflower alone

[tribal temple]

I actually like [[view from above]] better than Shrieking drake, but it doesn't combo as well

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/con/38/view-from-above

View from Above <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn. If you control a white permanent, return View from Above to its owner's hand.
"This air feels so heavy and thick. There are no winds to speak of. I fear the knowledge that comes from a place like this."

[tribal temple]

Its harder to interact with View from Above since you can only interact with it on the stack, it also allows you to give flying to 4 ceatures, but thats not really a big deal

[sand island]

Oh dang, that is a good one

[pastel agate]

It’s a pretty spicy include for sure

[tall blaze]

Where do you all throw your card draw for opponents? Given that people who have seen bumbleflower enough dont trust politicking, it becomes about giving to the least bad option

[pastel agate]

Whoever is the farthest behind, I’ll usually give it to someone stuck on lands. If you sit back long enough for there to be an archenemy that isn’t you, you can feed the other two opponents cards to deal with their stuff

[tribal temple]

@tall blaze I go around the table in a circle and I tell everyone im going to continue to do that until someone targets me. (attacking me doesn't count, you have to do something pretty bad to slight me) Once they traget me, by say killing bumbleflower, they dont get any more cards

My group also doesn't politic but this has seemed to work well and stop people from going after me

[pastel agate]

Yeah this is basically it

[crystal quest]

Once we get to late game, I tend to funnel cards to whomever is tapped out and can’t interact w me during that turn; otherwise the above are all good strategies

[pastel agate]

Yeah, when you’re poised to kill someone you can easily feed them cards and then kill them

[sand island]

[[devoted druid]] is interesting

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/143/devoted-druid

Devoted Druid <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: Add .
Put a -1/-1 counter on this creature: Untap this creature.
"Mana lurks in all things, even in the depths of one's own heart."
0/2

[boreal schooner]

"We did it, we broke..."

[pastel agate]

Lmao, yeah, finally broke it

Basically devoted druid just says “spells you cast cost less to cast”

[sand island]

^^

[pastel agate]

Gamers i had another idea

Stax

You’re giving cards to people, sure, but they don’t do anything

[sand island]

Is this terrorism

[pastel agate]

I mean

Yes

[crystal quest]

More tax than stax maybe? I can’t find any asymmetrical rule of law effects and Bumble wants that sweet sweet double spell

Or a blink package so as to not have the rule of law on our turn

[pastel agate]

Yeah no rule of law would be a big downside

Hmm

[tribal temple]

Stax is a good way to have bumbleflower die first

😅

[sand island]

Hmm I think I'm going to try to ditch many +1 things and put in more mill and ramp pieces 🤔

[[folio of fancies]] is real cool

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/46/folio-of-fancies

Folio of Fancies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
Players have no maximum hand size.
, : Each player draws X cards.
, : Each opponent mills cards equal to the number of cards in their hand.

[sand island]

I want [[thaumatic compass]] in somehow too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/xln/249/thaumatic-compass-spires-of-orazca

Thaumatic Compass <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
, : Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
At the beginning of your end step, if you control seven or more lands, transform this artifact.
"Clearly, it indicates the aetheric azimuth of . . ." —Jace Beleren

Spires of Orazca
Land
(Transforms from Thaumatic Compass.)
: Add .
: Untap target attacking creature an opponent controls and remove it from combat.
". . . a cryptic objective." —Jace Beleren

[pastel agate]

I mean yeah, I’d go all in if you’re gonna do mill

[sand island]

It's sorta a question of what mill looks like - I'm adding in teferi's tutelage as well as maybe [[riverchurn monument]] as well

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/57/riverchurn-monument

Riverchurn Monument <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact
, : Any number of target players each mill two cards. (Each of them puts the top two cards of their library into their graveyard.)
Exhaust — , : Any number of target players each mill cards equal to the number of cards in their graveyard. (Activate each exhaust ability only once.)

[pastel agate]

Gotta do grindstone

Maybe painters servant if you wanna do combo

[sand island]

I need to put untapferi back in too

[pastel agate]

4feri?

[sand island]

[[grindstone]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/223/grindstone

Grindstone <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
, : Target player mills two cards. If two cards that share a color were milled this way, repeat this process.
"Memory is a burden that wears at the soul as weather wears at stone." —Crovax

[pastel agate]

He’s solid

Also recommend altar of the brood

[sand island]

[[altar of the brood]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/216/altar-of-the-brood

Altar of the Brood <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
Whenever another permanent you control enters, each opponent mills a card.
Supplicants offer flesh and silver, flowers and blood. The altar takes what it will, eyes gleaming with unspoken promises.

[sand island]

Maybe I won't do that one for price reasons

[pastel agate]

[[$altar of the brood]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/216/altar-of-the-brood

Prices for Altar of the Brood

Magic Online Promos

0.03 TIX

Ugin's Fate

$28.57 • €13.01

Khans of Tarkir

$13.41 • €5.91 • 0.02 TIX

[pastel agate]

oh, what the hell

Heyyy, but we might be getting a reprint!

[sand island]

[sand island]

Okay, you've done it now Umaru

Ms. B is becoming a Persistent Petitioner deck.

[pastel agate]

LET’S GOOOOOO

What’s really funny is that if you do end up stuck unable to mill people out you can always pivot to smackin’ a bitch up

[sand island]

100%

I guess I'll build that after work.

[crystal quest]

oh for those of us thinking about Tidus - [[Denry Klin]] seems nice

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/71/denry-klin-editor-in-chief

Denry Klin, Editor in Chief <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Advisor
Denry Klin enters with your choice of a +1/+1, first strike, or vigilance counter on it.
Whenever a nontoken creature you control enters, if Denry Klin has counters on it, put the same number of each kind of counter on that creature.
2/2

[pastel agate]

Same number and kind??

This is a second Arwen

Jesus

Abd vigilance was something I was researching as an extremely useful ability

[crystal quest]

There’s also that Simic artifact from the Broker’s precon that distributes like, 5 ability counters

[tall blaze]

I finally built a bumbleflower in paper, with the help of some proxies!

First game... valgavoth player with a Sheoldred

[pastel agate]

Ewwww

[tall blaze]

About to go into my second game. Need to make some adjustments I think. This is the current list https://moxfield.com/decks/nvSViNtTAkG7tTINoNll-Q

I feel like there are way too many 4 drops but they're all so good

[tall blaze]

ok next game and people just instakilling bumbleflower and realising I dont have enough card draw without her

Any thoughts on good card draw adds?

[sand island]

[[pollywog prodigy]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/15/pollywog-prodigy

Pollywog Prodigy <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Frog Wizard
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell with mana value less than this creature's power, draw a card.
1/3

[tall blaze]

its in my list of things to add

[sand island]

[[mangara diplomat]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/42/mangara-the-diplomat

Mangara, the Diplomat <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Lifelink
Whenever an opponent attacks with creatures, if two or more of those creatures are attacking you and/or planeswalkers you control, draw a card.
Whenever an opponent casts their second spell each turn, draw a card.
2/4

[sand island]

[[fathom mage]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/339/fathom-mage

Fathom Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever a +1/+1 counter is put on this creature, you may draw a card.
1/1

[tall blaze]

I worry about mangara because of it not bein something I can control

fathom mage not so useful in the no-bumbleflower scenario

[sand island]

If you want to shell out the $$$, then [[trouble is pairs]] is busted

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs

Trouble in Pairs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If an opponent would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
Whenever an opponent attacks you with two or more creatures, draws their second card each turn, or casts their second spell each turn, you draw a card.
Together, they're greater than the sum of their rap sheets.

[sand island]

Oh you have it

nvm

Seems like you have a decent amount of card draw tbh

[tall blaze]

8 cards

not including bumbleflower

[sand island]

Having bumble in the CZ makes 8 fine imo

[tall blaze]

this game she got burned without drawing me a single card and I only have 10 lands ;___;

[sand island]

Oof

[[toothy, imaginer friend]] is cool

[tall blaze]

and 0 cards in hand

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/12/toothy-imaginary-friend

Toothy, Imaginary Friend <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Illusion
Partner with Pir, Imaginative Rascal (When this creature enters, target player may put Pir into their hand from their library, then shuffle.)
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Toothy.
When Toothy leaves the battlefield, draw a card for each +1/+1 counter on it.
1/1

[tall blaze]

but its actually going a funny way so I might win

because I used teferis protection to protect someone elses hullbreaker horror by returning a spell with my own horror

so now while someone is casting an overrun, I am phased out 😄

[sand island]

[[streuggle for project purity]] is interesting too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/380/struggle-for-project-purity

Struggle for Project Purity <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
As this enchantment enters, choose Brotherhood or Enclave.
• Brotherhood — At the beginning of your upkeep, each opponent draws a card. You draw a card for each card drawn this way.
• Enclave — Whenever a player attacks you with one or more creatures, that player gets twice that many rad counters.

[tall blaze]

I'm adding [[Season of Weaving]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/68/season-of-weaving

Season of Weaving <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Choose up to five worth of modes. You may choose the same mode more than once.
— Draw a card.
— Choose an artifact or creature you control. Create a token that's a copy of it.
— Return each nonland, nontoken permanent to its owner's hand.

[pastel agate]

Fathom mage is worse than [[dusk legion duelist]] imo

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/11/dusk-legion-duelist

Dusk Legion Duelist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Vampire Soldier
Vigilance
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on this creature, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
"We sailed to Ixalan guided by a promise—the Age of Everflowing Blood. No machine will take that from us."
2/2

[pastel agate]

Punishing your opponents utilizing the resources you give them will always be good

Mangara having lifelink is not irrelevant either

[tall blaze]

Ok so giggling skitterspike is awesome

[sand island]

Yeah it's probably worse on the whole

[tall blaze]

need to find some cuts for mangara, pollywog and fathom mage. Season of weaving I might keep for another deck tbh

I ordered two but only one arrived

[crystal quest]

Reporting back that [[brightglass gearhulk]] feels very good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/191/brightglass-gearhulk

Brightglass Gearhulk <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Construct
First strike, trample
When this creature enters, you may search your library for up to two artifact, creature, and/or enchantment cards with mana value 1 or less, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
"A new day dawns for Avishkar, and we shall draw our power from its light."
4/4

[tall blaze]

2G2W looks rough but I guess you never play on curve anyway

[crystal quest]

Yeah it just grabs whatever you’re missing around turn 6

[tall blaze]

Dang first strike trample too

Would be nice for fetching burgeoning

[sand island]

Burgeoning, shadowspear, hardened scales

So many good hits

[tall blaze]

Shadowspear sounds like such a good add

vigilant trample lifelink flying bumble is terrifying

the hard part is cuts though

I need to find my shrieking drake... I know I definitely bought one but I cant find it anywhere

Just for the infinite mill combo with smothering tithe

[tall blaze]

just had the wildest stack. Path of exile > my own offer you cant refuse on it > rewind it > cast two more spells to give bumbleflower +5/+5 for lethal commander damage

[tall blaze]

damn, bumbleflower vs the one ring 1v1 means her ability never triggers

[tall blaze]

ok I need a shadowspear

20/20 bumbleflower no trample sadge

[pastel agate]

Sounds about right

[pastel agate]

She still puts the counters on target creature

[tall blaze]

Why?

[pastel agate]

I’m pretty sure

[tall blaze]

Doesnt the whole ability fizzle because of the first target failing?

[pastel agate]

Because it has a valid target for the ability

[tall blaze]

there are multiple sentences though

[pastel agate]

If it still has a valid target I think it still goes off

Sure

Lemme ask

[tall blaze]

I was low on hand and opponent could recur the ring

I couldnt draw into anything wihtout targetin

[pastel agate]

Usually spells and abilities try to resolve to the best of their ability

But I’ll double check

[tall blaze]

I thought if it cant hit a valid target it whiffs

[pastel agate]

Right, it has a valid target

A creature

Anyhow, now you know!

Opponents giving themselves hexproof/protection/etc is honestly a curse against bumbleflower

Ope, well

Sdett is kinda “head” judge

[tall blaze]

well I feel better

[pastel agate]

Damn, that sucks though

I’ve been playing it wrong i guess

[tall blaze]

About to get milled to death and wishing I had a lab man or something

[pastel agate]

That’s why I run spark jace!

[tall blaze]

Which Jace is that

[pastel agate]

[[jace wielder of mysteries]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/54/jace-wielder-of-mysteries

Jace, Wielder of Mysteries <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead.
+1: Target player mills two cards. Draw a card.
−8: Draw seven cards. Then if your library has no cards in it, you win the game.
Loyalty: 4

[tall blaze]

What do you think about that vs lab man

Can flash it in with [[valley floodcaller]] which is good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/79/valley-floodcaller

Valley Floodcaller <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Otter Wizard
Flash
You may cast noncreature spells as though they had flash.
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, Birds, Frogs, Otters, and Rats you control get +1/+1 until end of turn. Untap them.
2/2

[tall blaze]

is this your current list? https://moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

[pastel agate]

No, that’s my old control list

My current one is “Bumbleflower’s Beatdown Bazaar”

[tall blaze]

I am trying for something similarish, just want... power

[pastel agate]

I’d say the control list was far more powerful than what I’ve got rn

[tall blaze]

Did tamiyo ever pay off?

I have a copy and wondering if worth it

might cut my on-second-draw-create-tokens package

[pastel agate]

Yeah, it flips on your second spell

It buys back important board wipes

Like cyc rift and Damning verdict

[tall blaze]

but it takes a whole turn to even do that

[pastel agate]

Until then, it’s even harder to get through to it

All for the cost of 1 mana

[tall blaze]

its only 2 loyalty though, surely that will get smacked fast

4, I guess

when its blocking

[pastel agate]

It’s done a lot for me, is what I’ll say

The big piece in this bumble deck, though, is con sphinx

That + heliod/smothering tithe is basically game over

[tall blaze]

I have those three in mine

I just put my great henge in my zimone deck but wondering if it'll be decent here

[pastel agate]

It’s solid

I also use [[court of garenbrig]] - that thing has single handedly won me games if people can’t take the monarch from me

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/woc/25/court-of-garenbrig

Court of Garenbrig <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, you become the monarch.
At the beginning of your upkeep, distribute two +1/+1 counters among up to two target creatures. Then if you're the monarch, double the number of +1/+1 counters on each creature you control.

[tall blaze]

I have two decks now, one with simic and one with bant

so a lot of overlap

[tall blaze]

I was just looking at this - I have a copy in my trade binder

Might pull it out

[pastel agate]

It’s gross in any +1/+1 counters deck

[tall blaze]

I went a whole game forgetting my [[innkeeper's talent]] triggers

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[tall blaze]

What is gluntch for?

Seems quite group-huggy

assume you cant target yourself repeatedly

[pastel agate]

It’s a holdover from an older cut tbh

I haven’t updated the deck other than to remove cards that got banned from the list

And make it back to its non-cedh form

[tall blaze]

35 lands, do you find that to be enough given the huge card draw we have?

ooh [[forgotten ancient]] also fun, I was looking at that for a maybe-gonna-brew animar deck but maybe I just make bumbleflower a control / +1/+1 counter deck

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/297/forgotten-ancient

Forgotten Ancient <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental
Whenever a player casts a spell, you may put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may move any number of +1/+1 counters from this creature onto other creatures.
Its blood is life. Its body is growth.
0/3

[tall blaze]

I dont think the go-wide strat works

[pastel agate]

Yeah, 35 lands was just enough for that. Might require a little more aggressive mulligans but still

[pastel agate]

For bumble? It depends

[tall blaze]

whats sakashima for, just doublebumbles etc?

[pastel agate]

Copies a lot of relevant things

Though tbh if you don’t wanna copy bumble the [[mockingbird]] might be better

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/61/mockingbird

Mockingbird <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Bird Bard
Flying
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any creature on the battlefield with mana value less than or equal to the amount of mana spent to cast this creature, except it's a Bird in addition to its other types and it has flying.
"Laughing at you? No, no, I'm laughing as you!"
1/1

[tall blaze]

Sakashima also offers that cheat ability if there's a big scary

[pastel agate]

True

[tall blaze]

arwen feels like she would be very good

[pastel agate]

She is insanely good

Basically kill on sight for bumble

[tall blaze]

No cantrips huh

is that just because theyre super wasteful for card slots

doubling season too expensive given the large number of planeswalkers?

[pastel agate]

I never liked them

[pastel agate]

I don’t like it as a 5 mana do nothing, plus the walkers are really just meant to have persistent draw/removal

If they happen to ult, then great

[tall blaze]

fair fair!

[tall blaze]

5 games in with bumbleflower

Havent managed a win yet but always end up in 1v1 then just cant close it out

[pastel agate]

Protection is extremely important

You also don’t want to be the scariest one at the table until it’s too late

Forcing into a 1v1 is a bad idea for her. Most of my success comes from when you’re killing two people and then having enough to stop the final person on their turn from doing anything

Or just killing all three at the same time.

The ideal is making it a close game, maybe finishing off one player, surviving or causing a one sided board wipe, then pushing your advantage to the end goal

[tall blaze]

I'm gonna cut out my cantrips and creatures when I draw second card package

And put in more +1/+1 stuff

[pastel agate]

Solid idea

Bumbleflower needs a high density of powerful cards

[tall blaze]

Propaganda, yay or nay?

[pastel agate]

Filler cards like cantrips just feel inconsequential to me

[pastel agate]

Depends on the group, imo

[tall blaze]

random internet people

[pastel agate]

I don’t personally think that Bumble needs it since she’s huge

But it’s a great backup plan for protecting yourself from an alpha strike

[sand island]

I have a friend that hates my pillow fort nonsense and does everything he can to hit me when I have propaganda down lmao

I like both propaganda and ghostly prison a lot though

Especially when running [[maze of ith]] type effects

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/250/maze-of-ith

Maze of Ith

Land
: Untap target attacking creature. Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to and dealt by that creature this turn.

[sand island]

Pay 2, then get negated 😎

[tall blaze]

weird my court of garenbring is gone

I'll just get a new one but weird for a high value rare to vanish from binder

thats twice now

Found it! in the wrong place...

What are the other cards which feel like they really contribute to winning?

Right now I just... draw a lot

[crystal quest]

It’s expensive but for ending games with a humongous rabbit I’m kinda curious about [[archetype of imagination]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/111/archetype-of-imagination

Archetype of Imagination <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Human Wizard
Creatures you control have flying.
Creatures your opponents control lose flying and can't have or gain flying.
"Is it not the embodiment of our aspirations?" —Prokopios, astronomer of Meletis
3/2

[sand island]

I really like [[Duelist's Heritage]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/60/duelists-heritage

Duelist's Heritage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever one or more creatures attack, you may have target attacking creature gain double strike until end of turn.
The best techniques outlive their creators.

[sand island]

And that enchantment doesn't seem worth. Just run rogue's passage imo.

[tribal temple]

I think its time I cut [[Glen Elendra Archmage]] 1 card lock the table down isnt very bumble of me

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/58/glen-elendra-archmage

Glen Elendra Archmage <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying
, Sacrifice this creature: Counter target noncreature spell.
Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
2/2

[tall blaze]

Made some updates

[sand island]

Agreed. That's also why I cut it.

[tall blaze]

first game with [[Court of Garenbrig]] and it has basically just won me the game

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/woc/25/court-of-garenbrig

Court of Garenbrig <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, you become the monarch.
At the beginning of your upkeep, distribute two +1/+1 counters among up to two target creatures. Then if you're the monarch, double the number of +1/+1 counters on each creature you control.

[tall blaze]

well... maybe

I think this 40/40 ledger shredderwill do work

[tall blaze]

(it did)

[tribal temple]

Do you like Ledger Shredder? Every time I run it in commander it doesn't feel nearly as good as it did in constructed

[hot breach]

Ledger is meta specific but better in Bumble as you are casting 2 spells a turn anyway

[tall blaze]

I've only had it come out once but it's pretty solid. It's a decent body with flying and the upside is high

Also as you likely run token adders/multipliers it can do a lot of work

Thinking about [[zimone, paradox]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/126/zimone-paradox-sculptor

Zimone, Paradox Sculptor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two target creatures you control.
, : Double the number of each kind of counter on up to two target creatures and/or artifacts you control.
"Extraplanar geometry isn't so hard once you get used to thinking in twelve dimensions."
1/4

[tall blaze]

[[byrke, long ear]] seems cool but too expensive

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/380/byrke-long-ear-of-the-law

Byrke, Long Ear of the Law <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Soldier
Vigilance
When Byrke enters, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two target creatures.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it attacks, double the number of +1/+1 counters on it.
4/4

[tall blaze]

Maybe [[fangs of kalonia]] as a finisher?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/153/fangs-of-kalonia

Fangs of Kalonia <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control, then double the number of +1/+1 counters on each creature that had a +1/+1 counter put on it this way.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")

[sand island]

I need to make my petitioners bumbleflower

[tall blaze]

Uh there was a card which meant that every time you targeted something with bumbleflower it got exiled or destroyed but I can't remember what it was

[[Dismiss Into Dream]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/m14/50/dismiss-into-dream

Dismiss into Dream <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Each creature your opponents control is an Illusion in addition to its other types and has "When this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it."
"You trust in the shadows of a breeze." —Noyan Dar, Tazeem lullmage

[tall blaze]

7 mana, gonna pass

[pastel agate]

That and it paints a target on your back you do not want

[pastel agate]

It’s goated

Don’t touch my boi

He will forever be in so many of my commander decks

[tall blaze]

That's okay though since you can just counter anything they throw at her

[pastel agate]

Eh, I’d rather just run a regular ol’ counterspell

You get a LOT of heat from running it

[tall blaze]

I'll see how it feels and cut if it doesn't feel great

It did feel kind of oppressive the one time I got her out

[tribal temple]

Yeah I would only play it when I was ready to go for a win but it feels a little tooooo easy

[wintry pine]

@tall blaze I’m currently building a +1/+1 list with her as well and wanted to ask if there’s any chance you got an updated of yours to share ?

[tall blaze]

https://moxfield.com/decks/nvSViNtTAkG7tTINoNll-Q this is my current list

[tall blaze]

Court of Garenbrig really wins games hard huh

A couple of turns as monarch and you just spiral

[tall blaze]

I'm adding a bright glass gearhulk to the deck. Any thoughts of good 1-drops which might be worth adding given the tutorability?

[crystal quest]

The Ozolith
Shadowspear
Shrieking drake if you wanna combo
Honestly I’m a fan of Birds of Paradise and Noble Hierarch as backup targets too

[tall blaze]

Ozolith and Shadowspear in my basket

[tall blaze]

[[storm of saruman]] any thoughts?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/72/storm-of-saruman

Storm of Saruman <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Ward
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, copy it, except the copy isn't legendary. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
Isengard had once been filled with fruitful trees, but no green thing grew there in the latter days of Saruman.

[tall blaze]

Probably too expensive again

But could imagine some fun stuff

[sand island]

You're kinda skipping a turn to do nothing with it

[tall blaze]

Yeah that was my feeling

[pastel agate]

You’d have to have like 8 mana to drop this and something else

[tall blaze]

Court of garenbrig is so nice, each game I got it out early I won. But I then get the feeling that you basically end up popping off fast and becoming a target. And then, without the court, I'm not sure how I'm getting big enough to close out

[pastel agate]

Yeah it’s a “deal with me now or die” kinda card

[subtle rock]

I think it is worth considering [[Smuggler's Share]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/84/smugglers-share

Smuggler's Share <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each end step, draw a card for each opponent who drew two or more cards this turn, then create a Treasure token for each opponent who had two or more lands enter the battlefield under their control this turn.
One way or another, everyone gets paid what they're owed.

[sand island]

Smuggler's share has been just alright for me

[pastel agate]

Yeah, it’s been alright

Nothing too crazy

[sand island]

It's like trouble in pairs at home

[pastel agate]

I do like that lotho on an enchantment

What was that called again

[subtle rock]

[[corrupt sheriff]]

[brave folio]

No card found for “corrupt sheriff”

[subtle rock]

chokes

[sand island]

Which one's lotho? lol

[pastel agate]

[[corrupt shirrif]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/213/lotho-corrupt-shirriff

Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Rogue
Whenever a player casts their second spell each turn, you lose 1 life and create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"Whatever is wrong in the Shire, Lotho will be at the bottom of it: you can be sure of that." —Pippin
2/1

[subtle rock]

The hobbit

[sand island]

eww puns

[pastel agate]

There’s an enchantment that makes a treasure on a second spell

[sand island]

[[monologue tax]] ?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/100/monologue-tax

Monologue Tax <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts their second spell each turn, you create a Treasure token.
"Your unsolicited words enrich us all. Please, continue." —Yold, professor of cryptorelicology

[sand island]

oppo only unfortunately

[pastel agate]

Yeah

Stil lfine

[modest lion]

I think Smuggler's Share is a great include in Bumbleflower, just as a redundancy to similar effects. I play the deck as a more true Group Hug deck, so it pays off for me a lot more, but especially if you've gone the route of playing lots of instants in the deck, this card will pay off for you multiple times per turn cycle.

Don't forget that it's for each opponent on each turn. So, if you get all three opponents to draw two cards on your turn (not hard to do), that's three extra cards for you, and then it can still pay off on opponent turns.

Most opponents won't be playing multiple lands by the time you get this out, but maybe someone ramps late or they're in a landfall type deck, in which case it's just a little extra bonus. But I find getting the treasure trigger out of this to be rather rare, unless you're helping people ramp on their turn (I don't hug that much).

[subtle rock]

I was thinking mostly by way of card draw, yeah

[pastel agate]

It’s basically just a [[faerie mastermind]] that’s hard to interact with

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/58/faerie-mastermind

Faerie Mastermind <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flash
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw a card.
: Each player draws a card.
Yuta Takahashi, World Champion XXVII
2/1

[tall blaze]

The lands to treasure thing isn't to be sniffed at either! Can help a lot vs landfall decks

[tall blaze]

Smothering tithe is so harsh when you can make people draw. It's basically a discount to all spells

I currently have 5 give-cards-flash things. Think this might be too many

High fae trixter, valley floodcaller, heliod, kianne and leyline of anticipation

Heliod probably the worst

[sand island]

Seems alright to me. I run all but flood caller

[tall blaze]

I'm just trying to find slots to put in stuff. Shadowspear, ozolith, profts eidetic memory, bright glass gearhulk, jace, mangara

It's to hard to find slots!

[sand island]

I'd cut the staples

[tall blaze]

Thinking planar genesis and growth spiral can go

[sand island]

[tall blaze]

Hmm, is normal ozolith even worth it

I just accidentally bought two of them

Does Jolrael really pay off much?

[subtle rock]

Ever since WotC announced game changers Smothering Tithe doubled in price

Holy shit is this a Doubling Season reference

[sand island]

Jolrael doesn't seem worthwhile to me

[[spell seeker]] seems nice to fetch a counter.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/120/spellseeker

Spellseeker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
When this creature enters, you may search your library for an instant or sorcery card with mana value 2 or less, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Mages and warriors recruited from across Kylem display their skills at Valor's Reach.
1/1

[tall blaze]

This is what im feeling. Go wide payoff in a big beater deck

[tall blaze]

I love [[snapcaster mage]] for that

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/71/snapcaster-mage

Snapcaster Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flash
When this creature enters, target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn. The flashback cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast that card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
2/1

[sand island]

Yeah, if we were more go-wide it would be neat

Oh yeah, snap caster ofc

[tall blaze]

I tried go-wide with things like [[detective of the month]] but it didn't work out. Too slow.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/21/detective-of-the-month

Detective of the Month <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Detective
Ascend (If you control ten or more permanents, you get the city's blessing for the rest of the game.)
As long as you have the city's blessing, Detectives you control can't be blocked.
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 2/2 white and blue Detective creature token.
2/3

[tall blaze]

Like sure I got a bunch of tokens. But then what

[pastel agate]

Yeah that was a cut I was gonna recommend

Detective seems cool but is homestly not great

[tall blaze]

All except jolrael were cut

I really wanted [[homunculus horde]] to work, and it kind of did as a solid set of on-demand blockers

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/41/homunculus-horde

Homunculus Horde <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Homunculus
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a token that's a copy of this creature.
"That is why you triple-check all decimals when commissioning a new batch of homunculi!" —Trigori, Azorius senator
2/2

[pastel agate]

4 mana sucks for a token generator

[tall blaze]

But still slow and not gonna win

[pastel agate]

Might as well run scute swarm anyway

[tall blaze]

Exactly

Though horde you can be doubling on other players turns too

And double as a surprise with some instants and bumbleflower in response to attackers

[pastel agate]

I’d like to move away from the north pole please

[modest lion]

I like Homonculous Horde in theory (and both arts for it are fantastic). It just requires some more concerted attention to really make the payoff worth it.

At 4 mana, it's the same cost as a lot of your other payoffs, but those will just give you generic benefits like drawing cards or making treasures, etc. It's a good effect, but you'll want to make sure you're playing it in a deck with other synergies so the tokens pay off for you.

Given Bumble's ability, I do think it's a better option than Scute Swarm, but I don't run either of them (sadly - I have a cute lil Homonculous Horde card sitting in my drawer).

[sand island]

Pog, card spotted for my persistent petitioners deck

Hmm trying to find cuts: https://archidekt.com/decks/11845500/persistently_cute

Although Chulane might just be better here 🤔

[sand island]

I'll have to make room for the spongebob memes in my regular bumble deck

[pastel agate]

Yeah but that’s cringe

[pastel agate]

Counterspell is a real easy one

[sand island]

100%

Inevitable Betrayal is cool too

[tall blaze]

repping

[pastel agate]

Lessgooooooo! Hope it’s going well for you so far

Bumble is weird so it takes time to get a feel for her

[tall blaze]

yeah going pretty well

though when she gets removed early I just run out of draw

Spending 6 mana to play her on turn 5, having not drawn off her, is not great

Just lost to a really cool alesha laughs at death deck

[pastel agate]

The FDN or OG one?

[tall blaze]

goad killed me and my 46 +1/+1 counters faerie mastermind

[pastel agate]

There’s smiles at death and laughs at fate

[tall blaze]

FDN

Oh

Smiles at Death

[pastel agate]

I tried to make her ;-;

Smiles at death is the OG

[tall blaze]

It was a cool deck, lots of reanimation

Oh

[pastel agate]

[[smiles at death]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/24/smile-at-death

Smile at Death <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, return up to two target creature cards with power 2 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. Put a +1/+1 counter on each of those creatures.
"Khan Alesha ensured our survival. Now we will forge our future." —Zurgo, khan of the Mardu

[tall blaze]

...laughs at fate

[pastel agate]

oh pff

[tall blaze]

[pastel agate]

[[alesha laughs at fate]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/115/alesha-who-laughs-at-fate

Alesha, Who Laughs at Fate <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
First strike
Whenever Alesha attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Raid — At the beginning of your end step, if you attacked this turn, return target creature card with mana value less than or equal to Alesha's power from your graveyard to the battlefield.
2/2

[tall blaze]

Yeah that one

reanimated massacre worm, syr konrad and just pinged us all to death

doesnt help that someone else had an enchantment which pinged us every time we tap a nonbasic land for mana

aka taking like 5 damage per turn

It was cool though

I keep feeling like I need more draw, but I have an okay amount, its just that I didnt draw any of it

[sand island]

Always need more draw

[tall blaze]

I worry that my natural inclination is to put more draw and more ramp in and then bumbleflower just becomes simic bullshit with extra steps

Bant feels kinda strong in casual. All the upside of simic, but without the downside (lack of board wipes)

[tall blaze]

Mindskinner maybe? It could backfire in some scenarios

I also need to find cuts https://moxfield.com/decks/nvSViNtTAkG7tTINoNll-Q

Dreamtide Whale has me thinking. Yes it can be wild on curve, but otherwise it's just a body

You won't be playing it on 3 generally

I worry about hullbreaker horror too. Having that in the deck goes infinite very easily

Sol ring + bumbleflower + hullbreaker horror + any 1 cost artifact (we run many) or any 2 cost mana rock = mill everyone out and win

Sure it's a 4 card combo but one is your commander, one you have many copies of, and with [[brightglass gearhulk]] you can tutor for two pieces easily

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/191/brightglass-gearhulk

Brightglass Gearhulk <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Construct
First strike, trample
When this creature enters, you may search your library for up to two artifact, creature, and/or enchantment cards with mana value 1 or less, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
"A new day dawns for Avishkar, and we shall draw our power from its light."
4/4

[tall blaze]

I actually have so many 1 cost artifacts now I'm tempted by [[Urza's Saga]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/259/urzas-saga

Urza's Saga

Enchantment Land — Urza's Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — This Saga gains ": Add ."
II — This Saga gains ", : Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with 'This token gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control.'"
III — Search your library for an artifact card with mana cost or , put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

[tall blaze]

But that's going to blow up the cost of this deck even more

Eh screw it, I just accidentally bought two ozoliths anyway

[wintry pine]

Who’s the player who runs a classic +1/+1 counters bumble ?
I want to build her more combat focused with the counters. Ofc cantrips are a must have for her but I don’t want to play her as a total control deck 🙂

Also what are we thinking about Git Probe, since this spell is free and replaced itself as well ?

[pastel agate]

Cantrips aren’t bad but I don’t really think they’re all that good

Also i had a +1/+1 counters list

Check pinned messages

[tall blaze]

I think a lot of early bumbleflower upgrade guides recommend them but now after playing the deck a bit I have cut them all

You draw so much that the deck thinning aspect of them is really not great

[pastel agate]

Yeah, imo I think that you want to cast exactly two spells a turn

Because you are just giving away unnecessary free cards at 3+ and you aren’t drawing at just 1

[tall blaze]

I have been thinking about [[noxious revival]] though as a bumble enabler

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/nph/118/noxious-revival

Noxious Revival <:managp:292901508964679680>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Put target card from a graveyard on top of its owner's library.
"Dead or alive, my creations are stronger than Jin-Gitaxias's septic minions." —Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger

[pastel agate]

So you have to make those two spells a turn count as much as possible

[pastel agate]

I could see it

[tall blaze]

I'm also thinking about playing with moxfield or Archidekt so I can experiment more before buying

It's dangerous though, since like 99% of my play is on spell table I'll end up becoming digital only

But for my paper decks I end up buying so many cards that I end up cutting and burning money on them, this lets me playtest properly before committing

[pastel agate]

Nothing wrong with that tbh

Get a feel for the deck

[modest lion]

For anyone struggling with Bumble, just remember: you're not going to win 3v1's. Don't make yourself the target. You're giving people cards, don't give them incentive to use them on you. Build a decent board state and explode for a win - Bumble is very capable of that. If you find that you're losing games because Bumble is getting removed early, you're getting pressured, etc, try and pull back a little.

[sand island]

Only thing I struggle with is losing with Bumble 😎

[tribal temple]

If you look at my pinned list, my is a +1/+1 counter list

[tribal temple]

If you have any questions @wintry pine let me know!

[boreal schooner]

One thing I've seen be really successful for bumbleflower pilots that echoes this is to alternate who they're giving accelerant to in order to keep someone ahead of them but also not make it too obvious.

[wintry pine]

@tribal temple Thank you very much I try to brew one myself and will post it here anyways to get feedback (if thats allowed) 🙂 ❤️

[tribal temple]

of course!

post your list once its ready

[sand island]

We're always happy to give feedback

[wintry pine]

I think the Bumbleflower brewers have to be the kindest ones I have ever met so far 😄 ❤️ ❤️

[tall blaze]

Sometimes you have to become the threat to deal with the threat 😄

[modest lion]

Different strokes for different folks! I always try to keep removal in my hand, but give cards to everyone else and encourage them to deal with the threat - that way they use what I gave them, and I keep my removal for the last minute heel turn.

[tall blaze]

How last minute are we talking - I can't pull out 120 damage in a turn, but over three turns? Maybe

The most explosive stuff I have is counter doubling, which from what I can tell will still take a few turns to explode (but it instantly marks you as a problem)

With smothering tithe out and maybe consecrated sphinx you can have a big turn I guess

[modest lion]

This is absolutely right - your threat assessment has to be on point, and you have to help everyone else do the same, so that you can constantly keep the game from swinging out of your favor, but also never have it look like you're in command. I love the subtlety and gamesmanship, of it!

[boreal schooner]

As someone playing against it, it's frustrating because you can point it out but splitting your resources or pushing the bumbleflower deck doesn't work in those situations.

[tall blaze]

It's also hard to hide when every time you cast a spell your flying, vigilant commander is getting bigger and bigger

[boreal schooner]

And going for the person in the lead or bringing it up means you never get anything from the bumbleflower player.

[tall blaze]

"Im not the threat" - the guy with a 7/11 commander in the air

[boreal schooner]

The most successful players I've seen don't usually put them on Bumbleflower

They have like tokens or other small creatures.

[modest lion]

So, I prefer to win with alt-win cons, myself. It's easy to win the game on your upkeep with a certain amount of cards in hand, etc. And once they realize how close you are, they can't really do much, because you have so much control over card draw at that point.

That being said, you don't need a ton of damage - you make things fly! A couple cheap spells, spread the flying around real quick, and you win. Cards that instantly make tokens (I forget the angel one, but there's the octopus one, etc) also help, because people tend not to see a board state that's just stored up in counters you can cash in instantly.

[modest lion]

Yup, 10000%. It's hard to turn the table against the Bumble player when they're giving everyone cards and playing some lil innocuous looking guys. I don't even swing at anyone - something as simple as not attacking anyone just buys you that much more good will. And then we win in the end and hope everyone had a good time.

[modest lion]

The beautiful thing about Bumble is that everyone has different playstyles. It's such a wonderfully designed card, in that respect. I go full Group Hug with it - my Commander never does anything but block as a 1/5, and I never attack. But by the end of the game, I've got enough on board to kill if my alt-win cons didn't come through. If you wanna go Voltron with Bumble, that's awesome! Just build in lots of protection for her (easy in those colors)!

[boreal schooner]

In my experience, the ones they swing at are at me first. Same with removal. Mainly because I do tend to push more against them. I know it doesn't help me. But I thought I'd let people know its been effective for them.

[sand island]

The coolest bumbleflower players put the counters on [[sergeant John Benton]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/157/sergeant-john-benton

Sergeant John Benton <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Trample, haste
Share Intelligence — Whenever Sergeant John Benton deals combat damage to a player, you and that player each draw that many cards.
"Anyway, nothing to do with you surprises me anymore, Doctor."
2/4

[sand island]

It's just 8 damage, don't you want to draw 8?

[wintry pine]

Okay fellow bumblers here is my current list and unfortunately my maybeboard still contains of 49 which I also want to trim to like the 15 best cards to consider 😦
Currently I need 5 more cuts and maybe thoughts on cards you would cut or maybe I'm missing some of the best Bumbleflowers cards (for a +1|+1 strategy) 😮

https://archidekt.com/decks/11484851/thumble_into_flowers

[tribal temple]

Im a little late to this but I agree with @modest lion . I always aim to be right behind 1st. That way everything gets thrown their way and I can hide in their shadow

Ive even gone so far as keeping 1st alive to give me more time to build up

[sand island]

I don't love enduring curiousity

We aren't really low to the ground with a lot of creatures imo

[modest lion]

Regardless of your Commander, this tends to be a winning strategy in a 4 player game. Bumbleflower just gives you the ultimate ability to constantly manipulate the board state without being the dreaded "mono blue control" player. It's an awesome power that will win you games!

[wintry pine]

Ok I'll throw it in the MB

[sand island]

Ezuri's predation is expensive and doesn't board wipe very effectively as well imo

[wintry pine]

Sold I throw it into the bin!

[sand island]

I also personally don't love Wizard Class. As it requires you to level it on your turn.

[wintry pine]

Also to mention is that we mostly play casual games for exmaple I got a Pantlaza, Necrobloom tokens, Pako and Haldan and a Meren Deck for what I want to have a new Face for the Deck maybe the new Sultai Dragon fom FF for reanimate stuff 🙂

[tribal temple]

@wintry pine I would cut

• boots
• Tamiyo
• Rishkar's Expertise
• Fangs of Kalonia

[tall blaze]

I don't like alt win cons because they are too easy to pull out of nowhere, basically the same for me as an infinite combo win con (which is why I don't run any). The only alt win con I would consider is a lab man strat, only because it is not super easy to achieve, and high risk if someone removes it

[sand island]

Sin? Yeah sin looks amazing

[tall blaze]

Did they spoil sin

[sand island]

Also not fan of boots and rishkar

[tall blaze]

Oh right that sin

[wintry pine]

Okay then I'm on 100 cards now without any combo I guess because with my playgroup we don't play any infinite combos so maybe there are still peaces I could cut and replace since I'm not comboing off?

[tall blaze]

I would cut mystic remora

[sand island]

I like running my deck through a combo checker to remove all combos personally. Let me see if I can find the link.

I would also cut remora lol.

[pastel agate]

Yep. Spread it around

[modest lion]

I think I disagree - most alt win cons require you to give everyone at minimum a turn cycle to answer you (they trigger on your next upkeep). I don't cheat them with extra turn spells. The problem is that Bumble has so many ways to manipulate card draw by the end of the game that it's tough to do anything about it.

I don't see it being "out of nowhere" - it's a late game win when I've been giving everyone cards and not attacking. But to each their own! Swing away with Bumble and I hope you have all the success, good sir! May you win many games!

[sand island]

I use this to check simple combos. https://commanderspellbook.com/find-my-combos/

No combos found.

[tall blaze]

I think maybe it is easier for me to pull them "out of nowhere" as I run multiple flash enablers, so throwing down a [[twenty-toed toad]] during previous players end step which then blows up and wins is not unusual

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/plst/BLC-16/twenty-toed-toad

Twenty-Toed Toad <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Frog Wizard
Your maximum hand size is twenty.
Whenever you attack with two or more creatures, put a +1/+1 counter on Twenty-Toed Toad and draw a card.
Whenever Twenty-Toed Toad attacks, you win the game if there are twenty or more counters on it or you have twenty or more cards in hand.
3/3

[sand island]

Twenty-Toed Toad with boots was the least satisfying game I've ever won

[tall blaze]

Exactly

My first ever bumbleflower game was a precon game I won with toad. It felt so unsatisfying.

[pastel agate]

@wintry pine i’d cut misleading signpost and torrential gearhulk, replacing them with a 2 mana ramp spell and gearhulk with snapcaster mage

[tall blaze]

Oh you have a hydra which doubles all tokens on attack? I guess you win

[pastel agate]

That’s cause combos cringe

[pastel agate]

I lost last night to a [[mossborn hydra]] that got to stay for 3 turns

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/107/mossborn-hydra

Mossborn Hydra <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elemental Hydra
Trample (This creature can deal excess combat damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.)
This creature enters with a +1/+1 counter on it.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, double the number of +1/+1 counters on this creature.
0/0

[sand island]

Mossborn hydra is craaaaazy

[pastel agate]

It was so annoying because it was just like “well, okay, guess we die”

[tall blaze]

Lmao, my Zimone deck regularly gets like 8+ landfall triggers in a turn so that would be nuts

Except that if it gets manifested in, it instantly dies

So I don't include it

[pastel agate]

I also got unlucky and dug like 15 cards deep for removal and just because I couldn’t find one of my several removal spells in time I just lose

[sand island]

😔

Should've just been good at Magic I guess

[tall blaze]

I feel like I need more creature removal, running too much in the way of counters but not enough board interaction

Maybe more pongifies and stuff

[pastel agate]

That night honestly was a pretty mid night for commander bc the next game was a test run for a friend’s morophon deck where they added a hogaak combo

[sand island]

Oh icky

[pastel agate]

They pulled it off to the lamest fanfare I could produce

[tall blaze]

I'm making an animal deck so I can use my extra ozolith and it feels weird to not include the most popular animar wincon

[pastel agate]

Most of my on board removal is board wipes

[sand island]

Same here.

[pastel agate]

I’ve found I push for the win way easier by either one sided wiping or protecting from a wipe

[sand island]

I don't value single target removal very highly tbh

[modest lion]

Yeah, if you're going to flash it in at end step, that's rough. I'd agree. I try to make it an honest alt-win con only deck, which I honor by not attacking unless all other options are exhausted and it's the end game. So those feel better - flashing it in on end step and just winning is, I would agree, not super fun for anyone.

[sand island]

What are you going to do if the deck just has a win in hand, not play it?

[tall blaze]

I need more board wipes. Right now I just have farewells and cyc rift, both of which don't feel great

[tall blaze]

I tend to play it then cut it from the deck

[sand island]

Yeah, same lol. I did thatw ith Approach

[tall blaze]

Like I cut [[Ruin Crab]] from Zimone because milling everyone to death turn 6 is not the plan

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/75/ruin-crab

Ruin Crab <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Crab
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, each opponent mills three cards. (To mill a card, a player puts the top card of their library into their graveyard.)
To an explorer, a priceless treasure. To the crab, a rock to call home.
0/3

[tall blaze]

[[narset's reversal]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/62/narsets-reversal

Narset's Reversal <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Copy target instant or sorcery spell, then return it to its owner's hand. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"In the disarray of battle, an enemy's attack may be your most convenient weapon." —Narset

[modest lion]

Mossborn Hydra is gnarly in a landfall deck. I think it was turn 3 or 4 and an opponent had a 256 power Hydra. He just picked one player to kill and passed. Then I Snapped it to his hand. Always kill the Izzet player.

[tall blaze]

I actually don't mind infinite combos so much, as long as they aren't in a deck full of tutors and are just incidental

Sometimes a pile of synergistic cards just goes infiiite

But I consciously never run a "combo piece" card

If a card wouldn't be in the deck if the combo didn't exist, it shouldn't be in the deck

[sand island]

Infinites are just a bummer tbh

[tall blaze]

But like, [[yedora, grave gardener]], [[steve]] and [[Zimone, mystery]] are an infinite combo but it would be a big loss to lose any of the pieces

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/209/yedora-grave-gardener

Yedora, Grave Gardener <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Treefolk Druid
Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, you may return it to the battlefield face down under its owner's control. It's a Forest land. (It has no other types or abilities.)
"Even in death, we never stop growing."
5/5

Multiple cards match “steve”, can you be more specific?

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/8/zimone-mystery-unraveler

Zimone, Mystery Unraveler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, manifest dread if this is the first time this ability has resolved this turn. Otherwise, you may turn a permanent you control face up. (To manifest dread, look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
3/3

[sand island]

It's like, everyone's bnuilding a board state, then nothing up to that point matters because someone found 2 cards.

[tall blaze]

Two card infinites are poopy

[sand island]

It invalidates the story that has been created throughout the game so far

[tall blaze]

actually I've had enjoyable games where we know that one player is just trying to get a combo out, and the story is that the rest of us are working together to stop it. I enjoyed that game.

[sand island]

Combo players are kill on sight, agreed

It's just a lot of the time, everyone else won't see any issue with the quite person at the table

[tall blaze]

It took a while to notice he was a combo player but once we saw the altar he became enemy #1 and never got bumble gifts

[sand island]

Yeah, sometimes it's hard to convince people though

[tall blaze]

Oh yeah for like 5 turns there was nothing scary at all and we didn't know what the deck was. We thought it was just tokens. Then when the altar came out it was clear

[sand island]

And many combo players won't just play half of their combo lol

[pastel agate]

You should cut farewell anyway

[tall blaze]

Half of their combo was command zone

[pastel agate]

Use a one sided wipe

[tall blaze]

Yeah, austere command bae

What are good one sided wipes tho

[wintry pine]

How many free spells do you all run ?
What about Solitude (My playgroup only plays like one boardwipe in each deck tbf since we don't like 3hrs games 😄 )
Submerge
Git Probe
Noxious Revival
Obscuring Haze
Flare of Cultivation
Snapback
Foil

[sand island]

I run 0 free spells

I think they are a design mistake

[pastel agate]

Damning Verdict, Cyc rift, Austere command, Bane of progress (mostly), tragic arrogance (kinda),

[tall blaze]

A friend of mine just started playing magic and only has foundations cards. He has built a vito deck which goes infinite with commander and [[bloodthirsty conqueror]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/58/bloodthirsty-conqueror

Bloodthirsty Conqueror <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Vampire Knight
Flying, deathtouch
Whenever an opponent loses life, you gain that much life. (Damage causes loss of life.)
"This town swims with such exquisite blood. I will take every drop for my own."
5/5

[pastel agate]

Ew

[sand island]

Eww

[tall blaze]

The deck is janky shit

[pastel agate]

Hate that combo in particular

Had a bad experience with it

Tbh Vito is insane tho

Like without the combo he’s still insane as an aggro piece

[tall blaze]

It's insane that they printed multiple copies of that infinite combo in foundations

Tfw I own three bloodthirsty conquerors but will never put them in a deck

[sand island]

Last game I played, 2 players at my table had that lmao. (One of them copied it with Machine God's Effigy)

[wintry pine]

I think these infinite combos are traps for new players only I guess my first Deck was a Dina Soulsteeper Deck which also got infinite so easily and therefore never played infinites again

[pastel agate]

If you don’t likr it, you could always have a conversation about not having combos at the table?

[pastel agate]

People like winning, combos are the easiest way to win in commander by a very large margin

[tall blaze]

It's really rough making a deck where you get incidental combos. Cutting highly valuable pieces because they happen to combo is rough

[pastel agate]

People also typically like clicking pieces together rather than hamfisting a win together

[sand island]

Dina Soulsteeper is the golgari drain commander right?

[pastel agate]

Yeah but for me, it’s a necessary sacrifice

Either pick a new commander or don’t run the combo

[wintry pine]

Thats what we did, no infinite combos, only 1 boardwipe in each deck and in best case a one sided boardwipe to close out the game.
We also trying out with Sol Ring as a Companian in the zone and also after like 50 minutes into the game a sudo goad 😄

[pastel agate]

This is, of course, just my praxis

[tall blaze]

What about combos which aren't game winning?

[sand island]

Sol Ring int he command zone is crazy, but fixes part of the problem with sol ring

SO I approve

[pastel agate]

Not a fan

[tall blaze]

Eg the Zimone precon comes with an infinite mana combo, which can be put to good use but doesn't win the game outright when you assemble the pieces

[wintry pine]

Yeah we will try that out in the future so its more fair for all I think

[pastel agate]

I don’t like infinite combos period

[sand island]

They make my eyes roll

[pastel agate]

I think including combos in precons is also a stupendously bad idea

It lets new players think that they’re the norm rather than the exception

[sand island]

I don't know if Wizards does enough playtesting to even find them tbh

As evident as they are to us players

(Or if they care if they exist)

[pastel agate]

Yeah, that wouldn’t surprise me

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[tall blaze]

Yeah I guess counter based ones would be good

[pastel agate]

Damning verdict is expensive so be warned

[[$damning verdict]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/15/damning-verdict

Prices for Damning Verdict

New Capenna Commander Promos

$30.67 • €23.05

New Capenna Commander

$18.08 • €14.54

New Capenna Commander

$18.87 • €15.92

[sand island]

[[austere command]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/56/austere-command

Austere Command <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose two —
• Destroy all artifacts.
• Destroy all enchantments.
• Destroy all creatures with mana value 3 or less.
• Destroy all creatures with mana value 4 or greater.

[pastel agate]

It was in a single precon and basically every +1/+1 counters deck wants it

Austere command is pretty great

[tall blaze]

I don't worry about budget, I always build the deck I want 😄

[pastel agate]

I’m fine losing bumble with it too, if it means clearing the way for my huge, low mv creatures to finish the job

[tall blaze]

Too bad the important bit kills bumble

[pastel agate]

Fair, same

[sand island]

I kinda like the arbitrary restriction that budget gives

[tall blaze]

I love my delney brew (still need to make 40 cuts) because I run so many one sided board wipes which hit creatures with 3 or more power

And I only run one, and no buffs

[tall blaze]

I like it as an exercise but I generally want to make a deck which does The Thing, and enforcing arbitrary budget makes bad feels when you end up not doing it because of cuts. But if you're playing in a pod where everyone uses the same restriction then it's great

My only restriction is no cards over like, £100

[sand island]

That eliminates like 20 cards eh?

[tall blaze]

So no og duals or gaeas cradles or shit like that

[tall blaze]

Yeah it's a tiny pool

Disposable income needs to go somewhere

[pastel agate]

Btw we are less than 1,000 messages away from being the biggest thread in the server

Bumblers strong together

Also i proxy dual lands

I’m never buying real ones but I super duper do not give a single damn about fixing

So I’ll have a perfect manabase and be fine with people bitching about my deck

[tall blaze]

I need to get some good proxies

For my landbase

The printed ones I have are a problem as it makes my deck too thicc for the box

[wintry pine]

Can I ask a financial advice here about two different land cycles I want to buy? 😮

[tall blaze]

I... yes?

[sand island]

Yeah, shoot

[pastel agate]

I can’t say it’s financial advice, legally, but yeah

[wintry pine]

I mean ofc these are two different styles and one love them and the others hate them but if you want to bling out a little bit which one would you choose? Ofc the UNF lands would be the normal foil only due to the prices 🙂

https://scryfall.com/search?q=%2B%2Bis%3Ashockland+set%3Aexp&unique=cards&as=full&order=eur

https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Aunf+is%3Ashockland&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

[pastel agate]

I prefer the expeditions

[tall blaze]

I prefer the unfinity

[pastel agate]

The space ones are cool and all but the expeditions are so fucking pretty in person

[tall blaze]

I don't like the expedition borders

[wintry pine]

Do you have some?

[pastel agate]

The border around the expeditions is foiled different so they really really pop

[wintry pine]

nvm 😮

[sand island]

I also prefer unf

Haven't seen either in person though

[tall blaze]

How big are commandfests usually

[pastel agate]

Tbf the unfinity ones are also a lot cheaper

Each exp shock is like $90

[tall blaze]

Like would I be able to find a trader with a raised foil bumble at one

I would trade quite a lot for that

[pastel agate]

It would not be unlikely

I went to MagicCon and only found one vendor in that whole building with one though so

[wintry pine]

Does someone one unf ones in normal foil?

Yeah I can't decide which ones to pick either UNF or EXP cycle I really love EXP but are they worth their money and also UNF will spike due to the Eternal Set I think?

[pastel agate]

I only asked that one vendor so maybe I missed others but I didn’t see more when I was looking for the exps

[pastel agate]

I mean if we’re being real none of them are “worth” the money

[sand island]

Yeah it's just a little piece of cardboard

[pastel agate]

The only one worth the money is the cheapest printing

[wintry pine]

ALSO the UNF lands are printed in the US so I heard the foil and the printing is not that great for like printlines and stuff 😦

[tall blaze]

Proxy proxy proxy

[tall blaze]

Also banana

[pastel agate]

When I get home today I’ll shoot this chat the foil proxies I have for the dual lands

They’re also expedition themed

And really really pretty

[wintry pine]

Man damn I really really like them tho already texting people on cardmarket for images so I get good ones x D

[sand island]

It's funny, there's a product specifically made for de-pringling your mtg foils

MTGGoldfish has been sponsored by them for a few weeks and I laugh every time it's brought up

[pastel agate]

That’s the way to do it tbh. Modern American foiling kinda sucks imo

[wintry pine]

Yeah hahahh got an AD for that today but thats trash 😄

[pastel agate]

It doesn’t permanently work I don’t think

[sand island]

Yeah, it's just basically silica packets to remove moisture

[pastel agate]

Just until the humidity seeps back into the card

[tall blaze]

I'm tempted by the either mockingbird or sakashima. Not because they're particularly synergistic or powerful, I just love the random variance that they add

Also, [[kitnap]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/53/kitnap

Kitnap <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Gift a card (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, when it enters, they draw a card.)
Enchant creature
When this Aura enters, tap enchanted creature. If the gift wasn't promised, put three stun counters on it.
You control enchanted creature.

[wintry pine]

Just sleeve the pringle up and put it on the bottom of your deck or in a tight deckbox does the job 🙂

[pastel agate]

Both are amazing

[sand island]

I'm interested in adding that card that allows you to steal a card at suspend 3

(Which I will when I get the spongebob meme SLD)

[pastel agate]

I have sakashima in my list but I am considering replacing it with mockingbird for the flying

[pastel agate]

Also i do not recommend copying bumble, from experience

As much value as that sounds like

[tall blaze]

If you can't remove 'em, join 'em

Wondering between copying and just plain stealing with kitnap though

[pastel agate]

Mockingbird copying a ledger shredder or faerie mastermind is also peak

[sand island]

You're so right

Maybe I should add ledger shredder

[pastel agate]

Yes, you should

[sand island]

I've given up on my persistent petitioners build I think. It doesn't really do what I enjoy about bumble.

[pastel agate]

And not just because I’m incredibly biased

Ledger shredder is useful in almost every single blue inclusive deck

It just does so much for so little

[tall blaze]

Oh, [[control magic]] exists but it's less cute

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cma/34/control-magic

Control Magic <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
You control enchanted creature.
"Do as I think, not as I do." —Jace Beleren

[tall blaze]

I pulled one in a pack since it was on The List. Felt good

[pastel agate]

Theft is fine, might paint a bigger target that you want though

[pastel agate]

I have an SPG copy in my bumble list and it’s so pretty

[tall blaze]

No, not the list, special guest

[pastel agate]

Yeah

I want a foil one though

[tall blaze]

It's pretty and foily and nice

[pastel agate]

I have a nonfoil currently;-;

[tall blaze]

Yeah I'll probably go sakashima for the legendary copy

[pastel agate]

My list actually has a surprisingly low number of legends tbh

[wintry pine]

Okay so yeah the EXP Lands are double the price of UNF Lands Uff but I think the EXP Lands will keep their value? 😮

[pastel agate]

And they were mostly less than 4mv so mockingbird is significantly better

[pastel agate]

Yeah, they tend to

[wintry pine]

BTW Where are most of the guys here coming from? 🙂
Greetings from Germany tho 😄

[tall blaze]

And heck I should get a [[glasspool mimic]] just because I love mdfcs

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/60/glasspool-mimic-glasspool-shore

Glasspool Mimic <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Shapeshifter Rogue
You may have this creature enter as a copy of a creature you control, except it's a Shapeshifter Rogue in addition to its other types.
"When I touched the Glasspool, I tasted infinite possibility." —Ashen Wal, Akoum Expeditionary House
0/0

Glasspool Shore
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
"Past and possibility come together in the vastness of infinite reflection." —Ashen Wal, Akoum Expeditionary House

[sand island]

I'm on the west coast of the US

[tall blaze]

UK here

[pastel agate]

Kansas here! (Also only share if you’re comfortable doing so ofc)

[sand island]

🌪️

[tall blaze]

I need to put together a solid trade binder for commandfest then. It's hard though as I have so much stuff that I don't want to trade unless it's for something super valuable

[wintry pine]

Uff I love the West Coast already did a Roadtrip twice there ❤️

[tall blaze]

But also I should just trade everything that isn't in a deck/sideboard/potentially in a deck I have in mind

[pastel agate]

Haven’t had a tornado in several months!

[tall blaze]

I just feel bad because every time I trade I end up needing the card again in the future

[sand island]

🙌

[wintry pine]

Also seems like that in the EU are no more MagicCons sucks !

[tall blaze]

But I guess I can just buy it again if I need it

[pastel agate]

I’d just make a binder of £20+ stuff

[pastel agate]

Yes

[sand island]

Oh nice! I'm from Oregon. So I'm sure you saw all the beautiful forests here.

[tall blaze]

That's only like 34 cards sadly

But I guess lower value cards are harder to trade too

[pastel agate]

Oh, then do a binder of £5+

Whatever number is relatively valuable but will still fill a binder is all I really meant

[tall blaze]

My binder was £2+ but filled too fast

Yeah 5 is more solid

[pastel agate]

I went to magic con with a $5-$20 binder and a $20+ binder

$5 is a much higher bar to clear for random card price fluctuations than $2 is

[tall blaze]

I just find it rough to trade a card when I might need it later. But I guess the reasoning should be that I want the thing I'm trading for now

[pastel agate]

Yup

[tall blaze]

My low value rare box is full too annoyingly

I need to re-scan my whole collection tbh

[pastel agate]

I usually sit down with the box and ask myself if i ever realistically see myself making a deck with the card

[tall blaze]

I made so many changes without logging them that it would be easier to rescan than attempt to do it right

[pastel agate]

Like, I’m not jamming [[roaring earth]] into decks, even as much as I say it’d be cool to

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/204/roaring-earth

Roaring Earth <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature or Vehicle you control.
Channel — , Discard this card: Put X +1/+1 counters on target land you control. It becomes a 0/0 green Spirit creature with haste. It's still a land.

[tall blaze]

I bought three One Rings because they were strong and I thought I'd use them. Then I found out they're too strong and they just sit in the binder

[pastel agate]

Sounds like you got good trade fodder

[tall blaze]

I did buy just after the bans so prices have gone up

[pastel agate]

Also if you’re going to command fest I’d recommend checking out the trade in values being offered

[sand island]

I should make my bumbleflower into a lands deck

Screw mill

[tall blaze]

Careful

[pastel agate]

Lands bumble would be really good

[tall blaze]

Sounds like simic bullshit

[pastel agate]

But also

Cringe

[tall blaze]

Super cringe

[pastel agate]

Lands decks always play out the same way

[sand island]

I already have a lands deck anyways

[pastel agate]

Spin wheels, land a scute swarm, win

Oh you got stopped, great

Oh wait you have 30 mana so removal does N O T H I N G

[tall blaze]

Sounds like a lands deck without commitment to the bit

Omniscience into ezuris predation pls

[sand island]

That's what Bunny walker is for

[tall blaze]

It would be so easy to turn bumble into landfall

[sand island]

It would be indeed

[tall blaze]

And access to white is so strong

[pastel agate]

It would be so easy to turn bumble any green commander into landfall

[tall blaze]

I think simic does landfall better

For that sweet sweet card draw

[sand island]

I really like [[titania, voice of gaea]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/193/titania-voice-of-gaea

Titania, Voice of Gaea <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elemental
Reach
Whenever one or more land cards are put into your graveyard from anywhere, you gain 2 life.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are four or more land cards in your graveyard and you both own and control Titania, Voice of Gaea and a land named Argoth, Sanctum of Nature, exile them, then meld them into Titania, Gaea Incarnate.
3/4

[sand island]

I think I just like assembling some big thing

[pastel agate]

Titania is cool

[sand island]

I also run Kaldra and Mechtitan core

[tall blaze]

Azusa + crucible + fetch land ezpz

[sand island]

That's too easy

We do these thing not because they are easy, but because they are hard

[tall blaze]

I have the other titania in the post right now

[sand island]

Oh yeah, the other titania is good too

I have them both in my gitrog deck (I ditched Erinis, rip)

[tall blaze]

Oh sakashima is only things you control but mockingbird is any creature

Mockingbird it is then

[sand island]

Mockingbird is also cuter

[pastel agate]

Yeah, mockingbird is good for that too

[wintry pine]

Also Mockingbird gets picked up by gearhulk

[tall blaze]

I also have a full art one in a binder

[tall blaze]

Oh shit, yeah, good

[sand island]

Gearhulk just looks better and better

[tall blaze]

My gearhulk is in the post

I opened a lot of bloomburrow...

[wintry pine]

Gearhulk is insane I guess
In my list I have 7 targets 😮

[tall blaze]

I might have to cut [[hullbreaker horror]] because of gearhulk

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/inr/68/hullbreaker-horror

Hullbreaker Horror <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Kraken Horror
Flash
This spell can't be countered.
Whenever you cast a spell, choose up to one —
• Return target spell you don't control to its owner's hand.
• Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
7/8

[sand island]

Hullbreaker is kinda too expensive, and too oppressive

And also combos with sol ring, I cut both though

[tall blaze]

13 for me

Oh no wait, 12

[pastel agate]

Yall talking about brightglass gearhulk?

[sand island]

I have 1, but also working on lowering the mana curve rn

[tall blaze]

Yee

[pastel agate]

I need to find a spot for it, i think

[tall blaze]

Finding spots is so hard

Might cut frantic search

Untap lands cards seemed cool but ehh

[sand island]

Frantic search is so good though

[tall blaze]

It is!

[sand island]

Goes mana positive so easily

[tall blaze]

So is unwind, rewind, snap

[sand island]

That's why I run all 4!

[pastel agate]

Bounce lands the goat

[tall blaze]

How the hell do I cut cards from my beautiful deck

I need like 8 cuts now

But every card is precious

[pastel agate]

The hardest decisions require the strongest wills

[sand island]

Cut the staples

They're the most boring and you'll miss them the least

[tall blaze]

No, 10 cuts

What is a staple by your definition

[wintry pine]

What about Smothering Tithe btw?
Is this good or is it just putting a target on my back?

[tall blaze]

I feel like I would miss smothering tithe a lot

[pastel agate]

They’re usually made of metal, used to bind paper

Oh wait

[sand island]

Smothering Tithe, Rhystic Study, Sol Ring

That was easy

[pastel agate]

It’s insane but tbh i don’t like the card so i don’t run it

[sand island]

Trouble in Pairs

[tall blaze]

I'll cut long rivers pull for dovin's veto at least

[sand island]

Anything that's just generically goodstuff I'd cut

[wintry pine]

Yeah most people just sigh if the see smothering tithe or trouble in pairs or rhystic so I dont play them

[pastel agate]

Ah, dovin’s veto my beloved

I have this one in my deck rn

[sand island]

[pastel agate]

Is real purrty

[tall blaze]

Scrawling crawler feels like it should go but it has out in so much work

[pastel agate]

If only we got sheoldred

I prefer shabraz over scrawling crawler

[tall blaze]

I don't play rhystic because it isn't thematically consistent, but the other two I do because of the nature of bumble being able to actively trigger them

[sand island]

They trigger themselves by your opponent blinking

[wintry pine]

Yeah I mean Smothering Tithe I could see as a political tool I give you card you give me money ..

[tall blaze]

Faerie Mastermind is a partial trouble in pairs

[pastel agate]

If the giving of money was optional that might be fine

But it is not

[pastel agate]

Faerie mastermind is also a flier that holds counters

Way, way better

And it has flash!

I have killed many a player with faerie mastermind

Here’s a question for y’all: any equipment that stand out as useful?

[wintry pine]

Didn't someone mention [[Court of Garenbrig]] ?
Hows that card ?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/woc/25/court-of-garenbrig

Court of Garenbrig <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, you become the monarch.
At the beginning of your upkeep, distribute two +1/+1 counters among up to two target creatures. Then if you're the monarch, double the number of +1/+1 counters on each creature you control.

[pastel agate]

I’m thinking sword of Feast and Famine

[pastel agate]

Broken, will win you the game on its own ezpz

If you protect it for two upkeeps bumble becomes lethal

Not to mention if you don’t have it people are enticed to hit each other

[tall blaze]

It was the best card I added to the deck based on advice from this discord

[wintry pine]

Nice this comes into my list then 🙂

[pastel agate]

Especially for a +1/+1 counters thing

[wintry pine]

Are 22 creatures to low and 23 instants to high for a +1/+1 counter deck? 😮

[tall blaze]

Shadowspear of course, also a fan of boots as a general protection piece

[pastel agate]

If you have a hardened scales out, that becomes 5 counters on 2 creatures

[tall blaze]

That does sound low unless you also run lots of protection in those 23

[sand island]

Sleepy ran [[sword of war and peace]] and I was thinking about adding that

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/300/sword-of-war-and-peace

Sword of War and Peace <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, this Equipment deals damage to that player equal to the number of cards in their hand and you gain 1 life for each card in your hand.
Equip

[pastel agate]

Ooh. I do like that.

5 mana cast and equip is a lot though.

I’d replace a 5 drop if I replace anything

[sand island]

I have the shield from captain america's SLD, so I was going to slap it in sometime to try.

[tall blaze]

Wait what, why? Isn't it 4?

[pastel agate]

Boots I’ve weirdly never been a fan of personally

Maybe I should just do it

[pastel agate]

Put a +1/+1 counter on two creatures, which becomes two per, then double the 2 which adds 2, +1 from hardened scales means 2 + 3 = 5

Because there’s two separate instances of adding counters

[tall blaze]

Wouldn't it be 10 then if you are monarch

[pastel agate]

No

I’m talking from starting with 0 counters on a creature and you have monarch

Hardened scales adds an additional +1/+1 counter

Not double

[[hardened scales]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/243/hardened-scales

Hardened Scales <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
"Naga shed their scales. We wear ours with pride." —Golran, dragonscale captain

[tall blaze]

2 base becomes 4 from hardened scales (if you put it on two different creatures), then double that to 8, plus 2 from hardened scales

[pastel agate]

It’s ten total counters, if that’s what you mean

I’m saying 5 per creature

[tall blaze]

Yes

Ohhh

Yes right

We were saying the same thing

On a single creature it can also be 7 counters

[pastel agate]

So here’s something

Lighting greaves or swifties?

[tall blaze]

Swift

[pastel agate]

I’m thinking lightning if you don’t plan to dump onto bumble

[tall blaze]

You can't target things with greaves

Ye

I think losing that flexibility is quite a big hit

Greaves can be good if you have a lot of creatures with tap abilities

Like mana dorks

[pastel agate]

Oh true

I do have some of those

[tall blaze]

I might cut my 1 mana dorks

I don't see much benefit for a 4cmc commander

I say dorks, I only have one, and it's delighted halfling

[[conclave mentor]] or is that too low value for an additional counter increased

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/320/conclave-mentor

Conclave Mentor <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Centaur Cleric
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that creature instead.
When this creature dies, you gain life equal to its power.
"I have faith in your potential."
2/2

[tall blaze]

Same with [[benevolent hydra]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1889/benevolent-hydra

Benevolent Hydra <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Hydra
Benevolent Hydra enters with X +1/+1 counters on it.
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on another creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
, Remove a +1/+1 counter from Benevolent Hydra: Put a +1/+1 counter on another target creature you control.
1/1

[tall blaze]

And... [[bristly bill]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/157/bristly-bill-spine-sower

Bristly Bill, Spine Sower <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Plant Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
: Double the number of +1/+1 counters on each creature you control.
"Wake up, little ones. There's a new day ahead."
2/2

[pastel agate]

That’s what I’ve found too. Get more utility from 2mv ones and make your curve more relevant

Plus at 1 mv you’re too tempted to run your hand out before bumble

And if you do that then you have nothing to trigger her twice

[tall blaze]

Damn there are so many counter increases too. pir, laezel,

Zimone quandrix too but I'm not a fan of clogging up the 4 slot

[wintry pine]

Talking about Mana Dork count?
I currently run Birds and Noble Hierarch I think thats enough for a green deck?

Also is leyline any good in the deck since it is also a 4drop?

[pastel agate]

Kami of whispered hopes, conclave mentor, hardened scales, I could go on

[tall blaze]

Yeah there are so many, how did you decide which to keep!

[pastel agate]

I’m seriously considering giving simic zimone a try since she naturally builds up those 1/1 counters

[tall blaze]

Your goal is bumble t4, so 2 mana land ramp is best

[wintry pine]

Go on please I need them all xD

[pastel agate]

Kami makes a ton of mana, conclave is cheap and gains me life, hardened scales is the cheapest of that effect, laezel also gives it to planeswalkers, pir tutors up toothy and also gives to planeswalkers

[tall blaze]

Scryfall search for the tag counter-increaser

[wintry pine]

I already run farseek, natures lore, rampant growth, three visits am I missing one?

[tall blaze]

So... all of them

[pastel agate]

Pretty much

[tall blaze]

Uh, steve

[pastel agate]

I think I actually replaced laezel with pir

But yeah

[tall blaze]

That reminds me I should put steve in my deck

Why am I not running it

[pastel agate]

Not a bad idea

Holds counters

[tall blaze]

[[sakura tribe elder]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/194/sakura-tribe-elder

Sakura-Tribe Elder <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Snake Shaman
Sacrifice this creature: Search your library for a basic land card, put that card onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
He'd chosen a sunlit clearing with open skies and an ample brook. All that remained was to find a worthy sapling.
1/1

[tall blaze]

It's basically a rampant growth on a body

[wintry pine]

True I forgot that dude ❤️
https://scryfall.com/card/plg24/1/sakura-tribe-elder

[pastel agate]

I have that one

It’s real pretty

I do actually have 4 1mv ramp spells apparently

[wintry pine]

Whos that conclave guy?

[pastel agate]

Exploration, burgeoning, birds, sol ring

[pastel agate]

[[conclave mentor]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/320/conclave-mentor

Conclave Mentor <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Centaur Cleric
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that creature instead.
When this creature dies, you gain life equal to its power.
"I have faith in your potential."
2/2

[pastel agate]

I should take birds out though

[tall blaze]

I'm actually convincing myself that benevolent hydra is worth running. Moving the counters off it gets increased by any counter adjusters

Worst case it's a 2 mana hardened scales on a body