I'm also trying out a goad package rn tbh
#Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing
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Legendary Artifact
Whenever you untap one or more permanents during your untap step, put that many time counters on The Millennium Calendar.
, 
: Double the number of time counters on The Millennium Calendar.
When there are 1,000 or more time counters on The Millennium Calendar, sacrifice it and each opponent loses 1,000 life.
half ice
anyone tasted [[Homunculus Horde]] and [[High Fae Trickster]]?
glossy fox
[[tidal barricuda]]
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sand island
Bumping this thread so it reappears
pastel agate
Bumble is in an eternal state of WIP
sand island
tribal temple
How does everyone here gift out cards with her passive? My typical plan of attack is:
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Start by going around the table giving everyone a card until they do something to slight me. This helps to keep pressure off me because everyone wants the cards, so they wont touch me until they have to. I dont count small acts of aggression like hitting me with a 3/3 or anything as a slight. But killing bumble makes sure you dont get any more cards.
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Once I get something like [[psychic possession]] I will feed more cards to that person.
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Towards end game if Im not in the lead I will feed second place cards if they agree to kill first place
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tribal temple
- Never give cards to the heavy blue/combo player
sand island
I ask "Who wants to draw cards?", ignore their responses and give it to the least effectual player, or whoever I give the parasitic card draw stuff to
glossy fox
I ask "Who wants to draw cards?", ignore their responses and give it to the leas...
you run wedding ring?
glossy fox
I run some funky stuff
whats your funkiest cards
sand island
[[forced fruition]] is a goofy one
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sand island
So nearly milled out my friend's storm deck
Also fed it though
My dream is to use [[fractured identity]] on it and win via lab man
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sand island
Really I just like drawing cards
pastel agate
How does everyone here gift out cards with her passive? My typical plan of attac...
That’s a good strategy. Mine’s pretty similar, I don’t put much thought into it though lol
tribal temple
Yar
I really wanted to get wedding ring to work in this deck but when I ran it, I could never find the right time to play it. There are just so many good 4 mana cards in the deck already I had to cut that one
sand island
It's a little clunky, yeah
tribal temple
bumble bump
sand island
bumpleflower
sand island
Thinking about using [[ojer pakpatiq]] - how many instants would you say would make it worthwhile?
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Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant spell from your hand, it gains rebound. (Exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast it from exile without paying its mana cost.)
When Ojer Pakpatiq dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control with three time counters on it.
4/3
Temple of Cyclical Time
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch.)
: Add 
. Remove a time counter from Temple of Cyclical Time.
, : Transform Temple of Cyclical Time. Activate only if it has no time counters on it and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec time. Ojer Pakpatiq gave them the tools to learn its lessons.
pastel agate
Not too many tbh
It has flying so it is a good attacker and blocker
If you’re more control oriented it could be really good
sand island
Turning into a land isn't even a bad thing too
It might be valuable even just for that tbh
Well, not "just"
pastel agate
What’s extra good is instants and sorceries gaining rebound means triggering bumbleflower twice on your turn is ezpz
sand island
Yep
Makes it easier to draw-go
You know what, maybe I will slot it in without making changes, and see how it goes
pastel agate
Man, now I’m tempted to try a proper draw-go list
sand island
I have quite a few flash enablers
pastel agate
Did you include the flash faerie?
sand island
No, I didn't
Just leyline, heliod, and Kianne
I haven't drawn Kianne yet, but I have high hopes for her
I need more games in to really get a good idea on what works and what doesn't
pastel agate
I do too, frankly all the shabraz effects have been popping off for me
sand island
But also, I have too many decks and Captain America has been pulling at my heartstrings
pastel agate
Hah, I’ve hit my plateau of sorts. Haven’t much more than touched magic in about a month
pastel agate
No
I don’t like cantrips generally
Would rather run some engine piece that draws me more cards
sand island
That's fair
glossy fox
Once again I mention [[broken wings]]
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sand island
Only really works if you have bumbleflower out and want to target an enemy's creature
glossy fox
Only really works if you have bumbleflower out and want to target an enemy's cre...
Still anfunny interaction
sand island
I'd rather be using [[generous gift]] or [[beast within]]
glossy fox
Your no fun
sand island
You're*
(Joke because I'm no fun)
(Explaining the joke because that makes it even less fun)
To be fair, nothing about broken wings is fun either
the true fun spot removal is [[fractured identity]]
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glossy fox
Only really works if you have bumbleflower out and want to target an enemy's cre...
Do yout typically target your own stuff with removal
sand island
I meant target an enemy's creature with Ms B
I like to give myself counters and flying sometimes
glossy fox
You telling me you never use bad cards in decks on purpose
sand island
I do when they are flavorful or interesting, yeah
Broken wings is just spot removal
I'm not saying it's the worst choice, just that nothing about it is really interesting
Other than the fact that you can make your opponent's creature flying to destroy it
sand island
Bumpleflower
sturdy tiger
Used another players Bumbleflower to win a game today. It was pretty funny
sturdy tiger
Even when she loses, she wins
half ice
won another game with [[jolrael]]
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half ice
[[jolrael recluse]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 2/2 green Cat creature token.
: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
"Humans bring nothing but suffering and deceit. They are not welcome in my forest."
1/2
tribal temple
I actually cut this card at first when I made bumble
Im pretty sure it came in the precon and I thought it was trash. I was very wrong lol
sand island
It did come in the precon, yeah
pastel agate
I actually did pretty poorly with bumbleflower over the last week
I got rolled by Miirym, and got stopped early enough for Bello to overrun
sand island
😔
pastel agate
Though I can say the deck has been successfully powered down
To a level I want it at
sand island
Good deal. What were some recent changes?
glossy fox
Ms Deadleflower
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pastel agate
Sorry I’ve been hella busy lately lol
torn shard
do you guys still use any group hug cards, or do you just basically run a generically good bant deck and have bumbleflower be the main source of giving stuff out?
crystal quest
More the latter for me
torn shard
i see, my deck is pretty much the base precon with some generic bant stuff added, Smothering Tithe/Rystic Study/Tef Pro. I fixed the mana base a bit as well. Not sure what else I want to add because I still want to group hug, but the 1/1 counters are nice
crystal quest
I personally added [[shrieking drake]] and an unwieldy [[primal prayers]] setup just in case I’m in a pod where someone blanks combat
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Enchantment
When Primal Prayers enters, you get 
(two energy counters).
You may cast creature spells with mana value 3 or less by paying rather than paying their mana costs. If you cast a spell this way, you may cast it as though it had flash.
When Gaea speaks, all of nature falls silent.
crystal quest
Yeah - some folks at my LGS like to recur fog effects and/or Glacial Chasm so I try to include contingencies in my combat-heavy decks now
torn shard
i see, what exactly is that letting you achieve? just cast triggers on opponents turns a couple times?
crystal quest
The drake goes infinite w Smothering Tithe out (at sorcery speed), assuming an opponent is tapped out - make them draw their library and make Bumble excessively lethal
If you have [[metastatic evangel]] it also goes infinite w primal prayers and you draw everyone out
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torn shard
how does it go infinite with tithe, im lost
you control the tithe as well im assuming?
crystal quest
Yes
torn shard
yea im lost then
sorry
nevermind
ignore me
i was thinking "drake + tithe = win"
crystal quest
Ahhhh not quite yeah
torn shard
not "bumbleflower + Drake + Tithe = win"
crystal quest
Gotcha. Sorry for not clarifying!
torn shard
you're good, it clicked once i thought about it more
https://moxfield.com/decks/qA5C8Kh-k0KJV8aUe9BDQw What could I cut for those 3 cards you think?
crystal quest
Definitely the gerbils - breaks my heart but so few of the cards in the deck actively give gifts
torn shard
and theres not many good gift a thing
looks at perch protection
if it was 3 mana id give an extra turn any day, not 8 mana
crystal quest
I wanted perch protection to work so bad. But the chance of drawing off gerbils is pretty low. For another potential cut, I am personally am not a fan of Psychosis Crawler since it’s immediately scary in a way that I don’t want to be.
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Artifact Creature — Toy
Indestructible
Whenever Giggling Skitterspike attacks, blocks, or becomes the target of a spell, it deals damage equal to its power to each opponent.
: Monstrosity 5. (If this creature isn't monstrous, put five +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
1/1
crystal quest
Incredibly funny in bumbleflower and a great idea
torn shard
tbh i kinda like crawler because its a non combat damage win, but I also have simic ascendancy and twenty toed toad. And theres probably other non combat options
crystal quest
Totally fair - it can be a nasty threat if unanswered
torn shard
ill toss it out still for now, and look into other win cons
[[tenuous truce]] could probably get cut too
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crystal quest
I was gonna suggest that but since you mentioned you wanted to keep more of the hug energy I left it alone
torn shard
well, idk. its still decent draw for me and politics for having a friend early on
I don't try to focus all the card draw on one player unless theyre just that behind
Fisher's Talent can get cut tho
crystal quest
Yeah there’s a lot more exciting stuff to do with that much mana
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torn shard
"oh youre swinging out at me because im giving everyone cards? No youre swinging at this dude and losing your board."
crystal quest
That card looks like a great time
torn shard
its so golden
i was swung out by 500 7/7 squirrels, forced them to swing at someone else
then cracked back with humans
crystal quest
You could double down and add [[misleading signpost]] as well if you want
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Artifact
Flash
When Misleading Signpost enters during the declare attackers step, you may reselect which player or permanent target attacking creature is attacking. (It can't attack its controller or their permanents.)
: Add .
crystal quest
Not as effective but also ramp
torn shard
true
crystal quest
i was swung out by 500 7/7 squirrels, forced them to swing at someone else
That’s entirely too many squirrels
torn shard
now ill have to cut 3 more cards to add in the stuff I want to add
ghirapur orrery, decent card, but it lets people overextend more often which I dont like
technically body of knowledge is probably a good idea but buffing it and decking myself sounds funny
Thank you btw for the advice
crystal quest
You’re welcome! I love this silly rabbit
crystal quest
Congrats! I hope the revisions are helpful
torn shard
i believe they will be. For the last cut ill probably just cut a land since my curve is still pretty good
crystal quest
Playing with fire! If you end up wanting that land back I’d suggest looking at hoofprints of the stag as a potential cut
torn shard
yea i thought about that too, I never used it the one time I played it other than to get a cast trigger off
crystal quest
I love the idea of it but didn’t enjoy how it played when I used it
pastel agate
do you guys still use any group hug cards, or do you just basically run a generi...
Most of my deck’s gameplan is doing one of three things:
- [[Hardened scales]] and friends
- Ways to benefit from giving away cards i.e. [[faerie mastermind]]
- Bant control pieces
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Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flash
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw a card.
: Each player draws a card.
Yuta Takahashi, World Champion XXVII
2/1
torn shard
bro I forgot Faerie Mastermind was a card
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sand island
Trouble in pairs is just legitimately broken lol
pastel agate
bro I forgot Faerie Mastermind was a card
https://moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w
this list had most of the stuff that heavy abused her abilities
It was much higher power than I normally do, so just pick through and see what you like
torn shard
thank you
torn shard
Hear me out
[[jace, architect of thought]] + [[Wheel of Sun and Moon]] + Doubling Season
pastel agate
[[jace, architect of thought]] + [[Wheel of Sun and Moon]] + Doubling Season
How do these interact
sand island
Yeah I don't understand the combo
After you cast the cards with Jace ult, they go back to their library I guess?
Oh, Jace himself goes into your library. I don't think you can search him up with his ability though?
Because won't his ability resolve before he hits the gy?
torn shard
From the way I understood it, paying loyalty is a cost, and wheel is a replacement effect to put him back in the deck
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https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w
Remind me Umaru - is your list specific a crimes list? Or am I misremembering you talking about it
pastel agate
Nah, the only crime card is [[freestrider lookout]]
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pastel agate
But is basically nadu lite in this deck
uncut scarab
But is basically nadu lite in this deck
It seems really good
pastel agate
For some reason I thought your build was crime focused
Well, she’s a war criminal
But that’s besides the point
sand island
I put Shabraz in my deck
pastel agate
I put Shabraz in my deck
They done been in mine, it does far more work than you think
sand island
Yeah that's why I added it to try out
tribal temple
@sand island and @pastel agate do you guys have the lists to your decks around? I wanted to compare
sand island
❤️
tribal temple
thank you!
sand island
np bumblebrother
pastel agate
T4
clear aspen
This is my current decklist! How do yall feel about [[Scrawling Crawler]] and [[Homunculus Horde]]
https://moxfield.com/decks/GMtPctQsP0KoxZ8wsX2f-w
pastel agate
This is my current decklist! How do yall feel about [[Scrawling Crawler]] and [[...
Love them, if you’re going the more punishing draws route there’s a lot of great options there.
The homunculus is a bit more wishy washy for me because it’s like scute swarm but harder to pull off, but still
You might consider replacing Byrke with [[sovereign okinec]], does a similar thing for 2 less mana
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Legendary Creature — Cat Noble
Ward
Whenever Sovereign Okinec Ahau attacks, for each creature you control with power greater than that creature's base power, put a number of +1/+1 counters on that creature equal to the difference.
As surface empires send their explorers down, his hungry eyes look upward.
3/4
pastel agate
This is my current list.
It’s trying to control the board while pumping creatures and has a good few +1/+1 counter synergies
sand island
Unrelated, and I'll take a look at your list, but thoughts on [[giggling skitterspike]]?
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Artifact Creature — Toy
Indestructible
Whenever Giggling Skitterspike attacks, blocks, or becomes the target of a spell, it deals damage equal to its power to each opponent.
: Monstrosity 5. (If this creature isn't monstrous, put five +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
1/1
pastel agate
I think we’ve talked about this one, but it seems like a solid include for aggro strategies
Burn damage go crazy
sand island
You could probably also add in a wheel or two if that suits your fancy copper. [[tolarian winds]] to cycle just your hand for psychosis crawler effects, and [[windfall]] for everyone.
clear aspen
Yea I could do that!
sand island
I run Windfall myself
pastel agate
[[iron maiden]], [[black vise]] and [[viseling]] all work great for this too
pastel agate
And if you wanna be cheeky [[ivory tower]] is funny
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sand island
To take advantage of [[psychic possession]] and [[wedding ring]]
clear aspen
Mmk!! Don’t have any of them so will have to buy. Any recommendations on cuts that’s what I struggle with the most
sand island
My janky list btw: https://archidekt.com/decks/8498400/bumbleflower
pastel agate
If you’re going the route if draw punish, stuff that cares about +1/+1 counters might not be ideal
sand island
Oh yeah, Ivory tower is neat
There are definitely many options for bumble, and none of them really seem the "best", but more based on playstyle, which is neat
pastel agate
I personally very much dislike triskaidekaphile
sand island
Same.
clear aspen
Mmk!
pastel agate
It’s just too expensive to do literally nothing
Chulane isn’t great when you’ve only got 27 creatures
Like I see the vision
clear aspen
So byrke and sovereign probably should be cut if I don’t really care about the +1/+1?
sand island
Gluntch honestly felt very clunky when I ran it too.
pastel agate
I like him, especially if you’re going to do a more huggy route
clear aspen
Okay that’s an expensive card although bumbleflower does give alot of cards though.
Err counters
pastel agate
She does, which if you want to keep it in feel free to
clear aspen
I kinda like that card even if I’m not going counters
sand island
I personally think forgotten ancient is too expensive in mv if you aren't going +1/+1 focused specifically
clear aspen
It feels like value
pastel agate
Norn’s decree is something I’d considered myself but tbh it’s not very great
pastel agate
It feels like value
That’s fair
sand island
Yeah, keep it if you want to
pastel agate
Let me know how you like perch protection, Copper. I’m not a fan of it but some people swear by it
sand island
I really like it personally
If not just mostly for the gimmick of giving another player an extra turn
pastel agate
Heheheheh approach of the second sun gaming
sand island
I took out Approach after I won with it once lol
I've decided I'm not a huge fan of alternate win cons unless it's lab man
clear aspen
Ahhh not fun?
clear aspen
Mmk ima remove it
sand island
Same with twenty toed toad and simic ascendancy
clear aspen
This is my very first deck so
sand island
The toad being the easiest to win with if you give it boots
If you like the sound of them, I'd recommend trying them and seeing if you like it though
I'm also a bounceland believer, especially if you're running frantic search, unwind, and rewind
And snap
[[azorius chancery]] [[simic growth chamber]]
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Land
Azorius Chancery enters tapped.
When Azorius Chancery enters, return a land you control to its owner's hand.
: Add 
.
Land
Simic Growth Chamber enters tapped.
When Simic Growth Chamber enters, return a land you control to its owner's hand.
: Add .
clear aspen
Yea I noticed the frantic drake. I do gave that card if you think it’s good
Add those two?
sand island
I would, since you untap # of lands with those aforementioned cards, and untapping a land that taps for 2 is money
clear aspen
Kk will do!! Just replace basic lands I take it?
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clear aspen
Tempt with bunnies, hummunculus horde uhhhh
sand island
[[wave goodbye]] is more thematic
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clear aspen
Mmk!
sand island
Despite saying I run it, wedding ring isn't really that good, so ymmv on that one.
Since it's only on the opponent's turn that you get the card draw
Psychic possession is 💯 though
clear aspen
Ahh okay. Any cards in my considering I should add instead (that’s where I’ve been moving the cut cards)
sand island
True, I didn't notice they had burgeoning
pastel agate
Also I’d run [[damning verdict]] over wave goodbye
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pastel agate
It’s pretty much completely one sided
sand island
What if the opponent gives their stuff flying counters!!
pastel agate
That’s fine
From my experience, unless it’s specifically a counters deck you’re playing against it’s completely one sided
sand island
Yeah, that seems likely
There aren't too many things that give counters without caring about them
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pastel agate
It could be insanely good here too
sand island
That's an interesting idea
pastel agate
It’s any combat damage
clear aspen
Ooooo interresting I have that card too
pastel agate
So you can get blocked and still double your p/t on the creature
sand island
I've been liking [[teferi's ageless insight]] a lot
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clear aspen
What to cut though
sand island
And of course [[sergeant john benton]]
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pastel agate
I very much dislike tempt with discovery
sand island
And to that end, also tempt with bunnies since you don't care about tokens
pastel agate
The card draw is nice
sand island
Oh I forgot it drew
pastel agate
Yeah keep tempt with bunnies
sand island
Do you like [[selvala explorer]]?
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Legendary Creature — Elf Scout
Parley — : Each player reveals the top card of their library. For each nonland card revealed this way, add and you gain 1 life. Then each player draws a card.
"The Lowlands refuse to suffer at the whims of the High City."
2/4
sand island
I didn't really care for them
clear aspen
That ageless insight card seems interesting!
pastel agate
Double draw goes hard
sand island
It will just get you targeted if your opponents know what's good for them
clear aspen
But my friend had me cut consecrated sphinx because I already had so much draw
sand island
While it's pretty unassuming
clear aspen
Sevala seems pretty okay!
sand island
I've been pretty wishy washy on running [[proft's eidetic]] in my deck - have you tried this card at all Umaru?
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sand island
Just remembered it since it was also a blue legendary enchantment
Honestly, I'd probably ditch Realm-Cloaked Giant for Umaru's board wipe
sand island
Up to you depending on how many board wipes you want
clear aspen
I think I remember 3 being a good number right?
sand island
I only have 2 in my deck, but 3 is about right
clear aspen
Sounds good! Okay so I think I got all your guys advice! Anything else?
sand island
Have fun!
Feel free to come back here with any further questions. We're all still experimenting with various cards and it's a constant WIP.
clear aspen
Sounds good! I would like to contribute too when I learn a bit more! Thank you for all your help!
sand island
Glad to have another Bumblebrother (We need a name for bumbleflower players)!
Though I guess that one isn't quite gender-neutral, but it sounds good at least.
crystal quest
Bumblebrethren
sand island
Bumblebrewers?
clear aspen
What do you guys think about [[misty rainforest]]
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Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice Misty Rainforest: Search your library for a Forest or Island card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
pastel agate
I've been pretty wishy washy on running [[proft's eidetic]] in my deck - have yo...
Yeah, it’s real freaking good but kinda sits on its hands doing nothing if you can’t draw consistently
pastel agate
What do you guys think about [[misty rainforest]]
Not required but use it if you got it
clear aspen
I have it so i added it!!
pastel agate
That’s the case 100% of the time with fetches
pastel agate
You might consider snagging some other lands to improve the potency of your fetches - surveil lands (hedge maze, lush portico, meticulous archive), shocks (temple garden, breeding pool, hallowed fountain - if you have them, they’re pricy), and tango lands like canopy vista
And this can be changes made kater so dw
clear aspen
Okay I will add those to the list of later changes!
pastel agate
Landbase changes are so incredibly secondary to the nonlands
pastel agate
what do you think of the final decklist Umaru?? About to put in the order
Gimme like 10 mins, driving home
clear aspen
Sounds good!! Drive safe!
pastel agate
Deck looks great, let me know how those changes go for you
clear aspen
Awesome deck ordered 🙂 will do we’re gunna go play commander night as soon as the cards come in!
sand island
Woohoo. Good luck!
sand island
I miss sleepy in here 
sand island
Bumble bump
glossy fox
you mean bumbleflower
sand island
Bumpleflower
glossy fox
imagine having a max hand size
sand island
Velociramptor?
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glossy fox
[[welcome to]]
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Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — For each opponent, up to one target noncreature artifact they control becomes a 0/4 Wall artifact creature with defender for as long as you control this Saga.
II — Create a 3/3 green Dinosaur creature token with trample. It gains haste until end of turn.
III — Destroy all Walls. Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.
Jurassic Park
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Welcome to ....)
Each Dinosaur card in your graveyard has escape. The escape cost is equal to the card's mana cost plus exile three other cards from your graveyard. (You may cast cards from your graveyard for their escape cost.)
: Add for each Dinosaur you control.
glossy fox
[[scytheclaw raptor]]
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glossy fox
to make sure my turn is indeed my turn
no one elses
it just needs infect
to really discourage people
sand island
Whew yeah it was
My friend got it just 6 months ago as we were getting into magic, and he got it for like 70
glossy fox
that store has more precons and booster variety but is more expensive
like they have og theros boosters
new phirexia booosters
urzas saga boosters
most precons
but they are really overpriced
sand island
[[$akromas will]]
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glossy fox
[[$akromas will]]
got reprinted a million times
pretty cheap now i guess
deck preforms well though
clear aspen
Ooooo maybe I gotta pick one up didn’t realize it was so cheap
glossy fox
Ooooo maybe I gotta pick one up didn’t realize it was so cheap
used to be expensive
like 20$
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pastel agate
I’ve been meaning to look into a flash list and running some stuff like that
Just see what could be pulled off
Maybe make a tempo list
sand island
I run so many flash enablers
4 evidently
Reminded me of a [[heliod, the radiant dawn]] wheel deck with a ton of big colorless threats.
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod, the Radiant Dawn enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod, the Radiant Dawn. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4
Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost 
less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6
pastel agate
Reminded me of a [[heliod, the radiant dawn]] wheel deck with a ton of big color...
Heliod’s just so damn good
sand island
I was just thinking, this is probably way too expensive to matter, and we'd rather something like burgeoning, but [[cultivator colossus]] is funny, given our card advantage.
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sand island
We don't use landfall shenanigans either, so pretty meh, but lands make me salivate.
pastel agate
I was just thinking, this is probably way too expensive to matter, and we'd rath...
It’s lots of card draw to be sure
sand island
Maybe it's my lab man's time to shine
versed gyro
I’ve been meaning to look into a flash list and running some stuff like that
Leyline of anticipation
Last word phantom
Emergence zone
Alchemists refuge
Tidal barracuda
Vedalken orrery
Add in wilderness reclamation and Seedborn muse as they’re stupid powerful with spellslinger strategies
Flip heliod too
pastel agate
Yup flip Helios is stupid good in bumble
glossy fox
[[Last word phantom]]
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versed gyro
A bit limited. But decent effect
sand island
I still haven't been able to cast [[kianne, corrupted]] yet
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sand island
just saw this [[victory chimes]] seems neat
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Artifact
Untap Victory Chimes during each other player's untap step.
: A player of your choice adds 
.
The favored noisemaker of goblins ever since the wardens cracked down on explosives.
pastel agate
It’s good, I’m just not a huge fan bc you’d need to save one spell per turn
If you’re playing the flashy version then it’s great
But by then you’re also running drumbellower, awakening, and seedborn muse
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sand island
Fair, it's a more budget option though
Might be less scary too
Seedborn makes you a huge target
pastel agate
It’s sinister tbh.
Run a ton of dorks
Or just do lands and wilderness rec/seedborn/[[awakening]]
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tribal temple
Has anyone tried [[Chasm Skulker]] yet? I believe it comes in the precon but I cut it pretty early on. After playing Bumbleflower a lot I draw way more cards than I thought and I feel like this could be decent tech against boardwipes
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pastel agate
Yeah, any of the effects that get a counter when you draw are very solid
I prefer [[shabraz]] for the flying and life gain
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Legendary Creature — Shark Bird
Partner with Brallin, Skyshark Rider
Flying
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Shabraz, the Skyshark and you gain 1 life.
: Target Human gains flying until end of turn.
3/3
sand island
Part of the problem of chasm skulker to me is that it doesn't have evasion
I'd want my big chungus to have trample at least
That's why I prefer [[managorger hydra]] for the 3 mana ones.
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versed gyro
I mean you can give skulker flying with the commander
pastel agate
You can, yeah
sand island
True, yeah
sand island
Maybe I'll go back to trying it out in my deck
It's so hard to fit things in though
maybe I ditch the [[forced fruition]] meme dream
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pastel agate
[[knowledge is power]]?
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pastel agate
Catching up on edhrec videos and saw that
sand island
Huh, that's an interesting one
pastel agate
My only issue is this only truly works as a go-wide card
sand island
Same. Maybe with those spawners whenever you draw 2 cards in a turn
Like jol'rael and such
Not really a route I want to pursue though. I like stacking up one big boy instead
pastel agate
Same. Maybe with those spawners whenever you draw 2 cards in a turn
Bumble Hare Apparent sounds goofy
sand island
So goofy it might just work
tribal temple
I run Knowledge is Power in my Councile of 4 deck and its a beast, but I really do think it works better in token decks.
I find it hard to find room for Chasm Skulker too but I was just thinking it would be a decent big boy that sits there for defensive and then when a boardwhipe hits Ill have 15 damage on board to swing at people.
I also really want to run shabraz but being 5 mana makes it difficult since I always wanna cast 2 spells a turn so you can only run so many 4+ cmc cards in your deck
sand island
[[knowledge is power]]
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pastel agate
I also *really* want to run shabraz but being 5 mana makes it difficult since I ...
Yeah shabraz is a turn 7 kinda card for me
Should have ~9-10 mana by then so you can double spell
sand island
Dang, I want to go play bumbleflower rn
tribal temple
same 😦
But I have been spending a lot of time upgrading my zinnia deck so the Mrs. hasn't seen much playtime lately 😦
pastel agate
I’m thinking of a switchup to my bumbleflower
Slight one, but the +1/+1 counters aren’t doing it for me much
More tempo, value evasive creatures that I can pump with bumble
Lots of removal, and efficient/one sided board wipes
Oh, another thing I thought was cool
[[botanical brawler]]
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pastel agate
Effects like this - there’s quite a few now. Thoughts?
There’s a hydra that does it too, and I believe one more recent one
tribal temple
I really like my +1/+1 counter version but I was thinking of having two bumbleflower packages to swap between. A counter focused one and a more "play on there peoples turn" one. That one would lean way more on [[Wilderness Reclamation]]
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sand island
I got the weird anime grandpa which seems like it could be good for that
tribal temple
There’s a hydra that does it too, and I believe one more recent one
I dont like this affect on creatures much
pastel agate
Yeah. Seedborn muse, awakening, drumbellower,
pastel agate
I dont like this affect on creatures much
That’s fair, it’s just a lot of passive counter generation
sand island
[[urdnan, dromoka warrior]]
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tribal temple
people already wanna wipe my creatures in this deck so I like to have that affect on enchanments so I dont lose everything XD
pastel agate
[[urdnan, dromoka warrior]]
Yeah thank you
Oh wait no
I can’t read lol
Could be good
pastel agate
people already wanna wipe my creatures in this deck so I like to have that affec...
How much protection do you usually run? Indestructible/tef pro + counterspells
tribal temple
5 counterspells 4 protection spells
tribal temple
https://scryfall.com/card/j25/34/urdnan-dromoka-warrior
I run this guy and love it
sand island
He seemed interesting, so I picked him up despite being anime art ( 🤮 )
sand island
https://scryfall.com/card/mom/220/botanical-brawler
Oh this might be neat
It definitely could get large
You were thinking of [[wildwood scourge]]
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sand island
[[woodland champion]]
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sand island
Might be neat to go more into like a +1 tokens route
mild folio
Hey yall I was wondering if I could get some help with my Bumbleflower list, I really wanna make it strong and fun for the whole table but from the changes I have made from the precon it feels a lil akward and has yet to win at all, not that I HAVE to win but I can't help but feel I'm making it worse with my changes so I would love to get some help refining the list a lot more because I wanna love Bumbleflower but as is it feels pretty awkward and I think I'm just making it worse haha
I feel like my goal for the list is I want to make it kind of +1/+1 and Aikido focused where I'm enabling the table to do my dirty work and help everyone do their thing (because I think the table would enjoy that) but also still be able to reintroduce myself as a threat when I need or want to, this is a very unique style of deck for me that I haven't really made before (I'm pretty Timmy at heart) so I feel quite a bit lost and Bumbleflower is so open ended and there are so many different lists I feel a lil stranded at sea right now
sand island
It doesn't feel too different from my list tbh (Mine for reference: https://archidekt.com/decks/8498400/bumbleflower)
I'd add in more goad effects or the like if you want others to do your dirty work. Or at least some pillowforty stuff.
You do have propaganda in there, so that helps
mild folio
I think the problem I've been having was I have been adding cards that look good in a vacuum but wasn't sure if they were really working in tandem with eachother that well
sand island
I think tiskaidekaphile is a wasted card slot
mild folio
It doesn't feel too different from my list tbh (Mine for reference: <https://arc...
How have you been liking your list?
sand island
I love it. Still a WIP ofc.
mild folio
I think tiskaidekaphile is a wasted card slot
I would agree honesyly
My friend recently got me a budget list that gave me a lot of +1/+1 stuff like Hardened Scales type effects and I was considering slotting that stuff in wasn't sure for cuts beyond tris
sand island
I wasn't thrilled with council of four personally, or selvala
sand island
Foxglove seems way out of place too, unless you have some attachment to him
pastel agate
[[selvala heart of wild]] is peak, but selesnya selvala is not good
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Legendary Creature — Elf Scout
Whenever another creature enters, its controller may draw a card if its power is greater than each other creature's power.
, : Add X mana in any combination of colors, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
2/3
pastel agate
Foxglove doesn’t play nice (mechanically) with bumbleflower
sand island
I also don't love [[kwain, itinerant meddler]] or other effects that cause all players to draw
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Legendary Creature — Rabbit Wizard
: Each player may draw a card, then each player who drew a card this way gains 1 life.
"Why so slow, why so slow? Hurry up! You never know what you'll find."
1/3
mild folio
Foxglove seems way out of place too, unless you have some attachment to him
I know he is bad for the list I just feel bad removing him haha
sand island
Since the most important part is selection on who you benefit
mild folio
Yeah, I would definitely limit the group hug to targeted hug
That makes sense
pastel agate
And benefitting from giving away said cards via things like [[faerie mastermind]]
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Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flash
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw a card.
: Each player draws a card.
Yuta Takahashi, World Champion XXVII
2/1
sand island
One card that's been huuuge for me is [[duelist's talent]] - it fits with your plan too, if you want others to kill eachother.
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sand island
[[duelist's heritage]]
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pastel agate
True
sand island
I'm also a believer in the [[forced fruition]] meme, but I must ask what your plan is with it.
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pastel agate
And it’s even kinda political
mild folio
I'm also a believer in the [[forced fruition]] meme, but I must ask what your pl...
Its just funny
sand island
yeah, last time I played it, I just had to say, I'll give that dude double strike if it's not targetting me.
mild folio
I like it cause it makes the table happy and laugh
pastel agate
Oh - punishing draws rather than benefitting is another fun way to go
[[iron maiden]]
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mild folio
Iron maiden is funny
pastel agate
@clear aspen had a chance to play bumble yet?
sand island
[[scrawling crawler]] too
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clear aspen
<@125846604400951296> had a chance to play bumble yet?
Noo still waiting on cards
pastel agate
Oof
sand island
if you want to lean into wheels and such with [[windfall]] draw punishers would be more potent.
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pastel agate
I’m excited though!
sand island
[[Sergeant john benton]] is lowkey the best card in my deck
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mild folio
if you want to lean into wheels and such with [[windfall]] draw punishers would ...
I haven't been able to dive into your full list as heavy what would you say your decks like strategy is? I feel like I have been kinda going in the same direction as you with my list just haven't been refining it as well
I want it to be pretty political
John Benton is pretty awesome
pastel agate
[[Sergeant john benton]] is lowkey the best card in my deck
I’m still surprised by this
Card just seems mid, like yeah drawing a ton is fine but it’s not like you’re using all of them
mild folio
I've seen John Benton go really crazy in the command zone atleast
pastel agate
Just keeping the best 7 from the top 20 I guess?
tribal temple
[[Sergeant john benton]] is lowkey the best card in my deck
how?! 😂 I have John as a commander for one of my decks but I feel like everythign needs to be built around him
sand island
I'm very similar to what you described earlier: helping opponents to do my dirty work, while drawing as much as I can, to hopefully one tap the last opponent with a giant bumbleflower or another creature.
sand island
Just keeping the best 7 from the top 20 I guess?
I have like 8 max hand size enablers
pastel agate
Oh, fair
mild folio
I'm very similar to what you described earlier: helping opponents to do my dirty...
Okay that's exactly where I wanna be I just need to focus and lock in on it more, I am probably going to use your list as a big inspiration honestly
sand island
So I regularly have 20+ cards in hand
mild folio
If you could make some changes like without a budget restriction what would you change?
sand island
And pillowfort with [[maze of ith]] and [[sokrates]] who is another one of my favorite cards
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Land
: Untap target attacking creature. Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt to and dealt by that creature this turn.
Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Defender
Sokrates, Athenian Teacher has hexproof as long as it's untapped.
Sokratic Dialogue — : Until end of turn, target creature gains "If this creature would deal combat damage to a player, prevent that damage. This creature's controller and that player each draw half that many cards, rounded down."
0/4
tribal temple
I'm very similar to what you described earlier: helping opponents to do my dirty...
The issue I have with this strat is that I play with a normal playground and after the first time they caught on to how evil the bunny is lol
pastel agate
I must admit gamers, my foray into Muerra has limited the bumbleflower games I have played lately
sand island
I really like [[psychic possession]] for parasitic card draw, since you'll be forcing another player to draw anyways.
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tribal temple
https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower This is my deck btw. I need to add a finisher or two though
tribal temple
I really like [[psychic possession]] for parasitic card draw, since you'll be fo...
Ive been running this card for YEARS. It should go in every blue deck imo
mild folio
The issue I have with this strat is that I play with a normal playground and aft...
I feel like with strategies like this if your opponents focus on you too much they leave themselves screwed for the person who is more on the open ahead and they eventually learn the other end of the problem that if the focus you too much they will use a lot of their resources on the wrong things
tribal temple
They dont straight focus me, but they also dont play into the "favors" as much as they used to because they know its not really a favor at the end of the day
mild folio
I really like [[psychic possession]] for parasitic card draw, since you'll be fo...
My only gripe with psychic is that you can't reselect you opponent and you can only do it to one opponent
sand island
Fair tbh
tribal temple
With bumbleflower you dont really want to play Pyschic possesion until later in the game
if you drop it on turn 4/5 you are just turning the game into 2 headed giant
sand island
You usually don't play it until there's an archenemy you can gang up on imo
mild folio
That makes sense
sand island
I must admit gamers, my foray into Muerra has limited the bumbleflower games I h...
That's illegal.
mild folio
I feel like there could be better options for that, but I'm not enough of that kind of magic player to really know, this is my first deck that really focuses on this strategy I usually am a very green player and turn cards sideways, like my fav deck is Henzie and my next favs are land decks lol
Trying to tap into the inner blue mage within me
tribal temple
I feel like there could be better options for that, but I'm not enough of that k...
did you look at my list above? its more creature based than the other decks posted here, might be more wwhat you are used to
tribal temple
I wanted wedding ring to work in this deck so badly 😦
mild folio
did you look at my list above? its more creature based than the other decks post...
I did I like it I only think I'm trying to stray away from my usual go to to try something new so I am trying to make something a bit more on the interaction side, I might find a happy medium tho with including some more +1counter stuff as well
tribal temple
as much as I dislike him JLK from commandzone has a great base for "draw go" bumbleflower
I want to build his package and switch between them
mild folio
I wanna find a happy medium which is what I have been trying to do but I feel I am just making the deck all around weaker atleast with my current list, not focusing on one
tribal temple
yeah I think its better to lean into one of the play styles. you either want to do the +1/+1 counters thing, or you want to play 2 cards on each players turn not just your own
mixing them is difficult
sand island
I don't like brainstorm unless you're also running shuffle effects or more things that care more about card draws. [[teferi's ageless insight]] for example.
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tribal temple
I don't like brainstorm unless you're also running shuffle effects or more thing...
or running every fetch
I dont think I would copy his list exactly, but I does have a great foundation imo
sand island
Yeah, that's what I meant by shuffle effects
tribal temple
But they also mulligan until they have a playable hand. My group plays with the standard mul rules
I run 38 with 3 MDFCs XD
so 41 total
sand island
I also really like land untapping spells
mild folio
I don't usually go below 36 lands
sand island
like snap, rewind, unwind, frantic search
pastel agate
That's illegal.
I know, I will be making up for that
sand island
https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531
pastel agate
Trying to tap into the inner blue mage within me
I had a control based version for a long while, lemme grab the list
sand island
I have a few control pieces in my deck, hullbreaker horror, willbreaker, glen elendra archmage
sand island
I should put jace back in my deck for redundancy
pastel agate
Spark jace is peak
tribal temple
like snap, rewind, unwind, frantic search
I tried those, I also tried stuff like [[Natural Reclamation]] but that works much better in draw go
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sand island
I've won with labman before
tribal temple
and I typically play on my turn
pastel agate
I should just make bumble superfriends
sand island
I've been draw-going a lot more
pastel agate
She makes herself a huge blocker
mild folio
I've won with labman before
Do you just draw enough cards to do it? I'm a lil unsure about doing labman thassas things I'm not a huge huge fan lol
tribal temple
I recently cut [[Kros, Defense Contractor]] so many people run them but I just never really wanted to cast them, there was always something better to do with 4 mana. And my deck never wants to give away its counters
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sand island
My friend recently got me a budget list that gave me a lot of +1/+1 stuff like H...
Returning to this, I really like hardened scales in my list. And you don't need too many +1 counters synergies to get value.
pastel agate
I recently cut [[Kros, Defense Contractor]] so many people run them but I just ...
High cost cards are tough to pull off in bumbleflower
tribal temple
I also undervalued hardened scales at first and I was so wrong, that card is very good
sand island
I recently cut [[Kros, Defense Contractor]] so many people run them but I just ...
I run him and a few other reasons to give away counters. I.E. Generous patron. And I've used them all.
pastel agate
However, double casting ramp over multiple turns helps
It’s how I usually get to 10+ mana t5-7
Ideally, you’d land bumble t3 after t2 ramp, then double cast ramp
sand island
Too bad stuff like [[burgeoning]] is outside my budget for now
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pastel agate
Burgeoning real good in bumble
Exploration too
I’ll have to show off my bunny bling, back in 2x2 I packed a foil borderless exploration
sand island
[[on the trail]] is very good too
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sand island
Freestrider lookout too obv
mild folio
Too bad stuff like [[burgeoning]] is outside my budget for now
What are some out of budget cards you would wanna get if it wasn't for budget? What would you swap with em too
sand island
Those two umaru mentioned.
waiting for my friend to sell me his [[pollywog prodigy]], [[trouble in pairs]] is too good to pass up, [[court of garenbrig]] is real good, [[innkeeper's talent]] is probably worth it, and I'd put back in a few planeswalkers... Other staples are good too, like t pro
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.
mild folio
Burgeoning and exploration?
tribal temple
[[View from above]]
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tribal temple
if you arent running it you should. Its $0.34
sand island
Ooh, that's interesting
tribal temple
4 mana draw 2 on everyones turn
sand island
I run [[whitemane lion]] which is essentially the same idea
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tribal temple
yeah, whiteman is just easier to interact with
sand island
That works better with [[ojer pakpatiq]] in my list through
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Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant spell from your hand, it gains rebound. (Exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast it from exile without paying its mana cost.)
When Ojer Pakpatiq dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control with three time counters on it.
4/3
Temple of Cyclical Time
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch.)
: Add . Remove a time counter from Temple of Cyclical Time.
, : Transform Temple of Cyclical Time. Activate only if it has no time counters on it and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec time. Ojer Pakpatiq gave them the tools to learn its lessons.
pastel agate
View is better, imo
sand island
I like how whitemane can work as protection though
pastel agate
Right, forgot about that
I will say, draw-go is a deck type I have yet to build
Maybe draw-go is what I should go to with this
That way i can double spell multiple times a rotation
sand island
The last few games, I hit all my flash enablers, so I was playing very similar to draw go, which was a lot of fun
Pakpatiq seems very strong for draw go, that way you get 2 spells on your turn as well, without needing to commit resources on your turn
I have a wilderness reclamation. I should slot it in
tribal temple
Seedborn muse and wilderness relamation is the next version I want to build.
I love that bumble can have 2 totally different styles
sand island
There are so many different ways to build bumbleflower, it's a lot of fun to craft
pastel agate
I love that bumble can have 2 totally different styles
Waaaaaaay more than 2
sand island
lmao
tribal temple
hey dont overwhelm me! I only have so much time and money to brew!
pastel agate
Control, draw-go, superfriends, +1/+1 counters, group hug
tribal temple
I still have poor [[Zinnia]] to work on and she requires a lot of work 😦
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Legendary Creature — Bird Bard
Flying
Zinnia, Valley's Voice gets +X/+0, where X is the number of other creatures you control with base power 1.
Creature spells you cast have offspring . (You may pay an additional as you cast a creature spell. If you do, when that creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
1/3
pastel agate
Those are just the ones that have been theorized
I forgot about us theorizing Hare Apparent
Oh yeah, storm draw-out combos are possible too
sand island
rabbits seems like the least interesting to me as a tribal hater
pastel agate
It’s kinda half and half typal and tokens
tribal temple
I love tribal and rabbit seems the least interesting
tribal temple
thank god I dont play with you @sand island
sand island
Everyone in my playgroup always say they hate my decks for some reason
pastel agate
Couldn’t imagine why
tribal temple
😂
sand island
[[radstorm]] just seems so cool
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tribal temple
I bought a radstorm and one day ill fit it in a deck
I used to be an izzet player but i hated having people watch me take 15min long turns
Its a much better experience in 1v1
mild folio
Do people say they hate your Bumble deck? Lol I feel like it looks fun to face ngl
But I love more political decks, keeps the table engaged
sand island
Well, I'm kinda a troll
pastel agate
My control list was pretty powerful, so people didn’t like it a ton
half ice
too slow, I removeed it from my list
sand island
[[dreamtide whale]] is also huge
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sand island
I also love heliod
pastel agate
Heliod isn’t too slow, just gotta pay in installments
7 mana is nothing when you’re basically casting the rest of the spells in your hand for 1 pip after
sand island
I keep saying it, but I want to make a heliod deck with wheels and a ton of giant colorless payoffs
mild folio
Would [[Eluge, the Shoreless Sea]] be too slow? It is super strong in the command zone but I don't think it would do much in the 99
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Fish
Eluge's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Islands you control.
Whenever Eluge enters or attacks, put a flood counter on target land. It's an Island in addition to its other types for as long as it has a flood counter on it.
The first instant or sorcery spell you cast each turn costs (or ) less to cast for each land you control with a flood counter on it.
*/*
half ice
Found it always very hard to cast it, maybe it's just me but it was getting removed before I could do anything with it. And I think 7 mana is still a lot. I feel like heliod works best in a deck built around him
pastel agate
Would [[Eluge, the Shoreless Sea]] be too slow? It is super strong in the comman...
Yeah too slow
pastel agate
Found it always very hard to cast it, maybe it's just me but it was getting remo...
Could be, he’s an investment so you gotta treat it like one but the payoff is backbreaking
sand island
His recursion isn't nothing, and then the flash enabling is well worth 3 mana, as well as the cost reduction IMO
half ice
I'll try to give it another chance but I think I always rather play 2 separate spells that impact the board straight away and draw 2 than heliod + 3 to activate
mild folio
Ill have to work on my list later when I'm off work and then share to get some opinions I wanna have a good direction for upgrades cause I wanna spend my time here in the future focusing on refining my current decks over making new ones and Bumbleflower is one I really wanna make pop 🎉
sand island
I miss sleepy, but sleepy's list is build all about aikido, I'l see if I can find it
pastel agate
I'll try to give it another chance but I think I always rather play 2 separate s...
And that’s fair
pastel agate
I miss sleepy, but sleepy's list is build all about aikido, I'l see if I can fin...
Did you find out where they went?
mild folio
I miss sleepy, but sleepy's list is build all about aikido, I'l see if I can fin...
I would love to see that tbh
sand island
I did not
mild folio
Oof
sand island
Here's Sleepy's https://moxfield.com/decks/Zzc4fQ_5vk2Av-yKoDTwfQ I took a lot of inspiration from it as well
pastel agate
Well, can’t hurt: @solemn hamlet, what you up to??
sand island
Last message at the end of october
pastel agate
Ohhhhh - server lockdown
sand island
That makes sense, yup
mild folio
Here's Sleepy's https://moxfield.com/decks/Zzc4fQ_5vk2Av-yKoDTwfQ I took a lot o...
How does yours a sleepy's differ?
pastel agate
[[comeuppance]] gaming
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sand island
comeuppance has been great
half ice
https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/58/comeuppance
love this card
sand island
They run stuff like [[mirror strike]] that I wouldn't run personally
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sand island
I'm more interested in maze of ithing
mild folio
Pillowfort over redirects
half ice
[[kros contractor]]
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sand island
I like kros
half ice
it's been great
sand island
[[the second doctor]] was cut from my deck recently, as it's uncontrolled.
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sand island
I need to try out [[sword of war and peace]] as I own the captain america shield version
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from white.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, Sword of War and Peace deals damage to that player equal to the number of cards in their hand and you gain 1 life for each card in your hand.
Equip
sand island
And it's shit in the captain america deck
half ice
do you play [[sokrates]]? I like to keep a bit of "peaceful" theme
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Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Defender
Sokrates, Athenian Teacher has hexproof as long as it's untapped.
Sokratic Dialogue — : Until end of turn, target creature gains "If this creature would deal combat damage to a player, prevent that damage. This creature's controller and that player each draw half that many cards, rounded down."
0/4
sand island
Yeah I do. I love sokrates
One of my favorite cards tbh
Brewing up a persistent petitioner [[intruder alarm]] deck with him atm
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half ice
[[fractured identity]] is a pet card and it kinda has a bit of group hug vibe which I like
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pastel agate
Oh, that was another thing, you can build her as basically any “any number of cards” deck - persistent petitioners included
sand island
Yep. Also running that. My dream is to someday get to use it on [[forced fruition]]
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pastel agate
Use her for extra “mill”
sand island
now I am the card drawer
mild folio
How do you feel your usually win?
I know you have lab man but what other win cons are there
sand island
It doesn't feel too different from my list tbh (Mine for reference: <https://arc...
My deck list by the way Mapo
Bumble bumping for 20 damage in a 1v1
solemn hamlet
Well, can’t hurt: <@139900364487917568>, what you up to??
Hi!
tribal temple
THEY ARE ALIVE
solemn hamlet
My playgroup has been defunct for a while now, so I haven't really been playing edh :c
tribal temple
@solemn hamlet we are at almost 6k messages
mild folio
Bumble bumping for 20 damage in a 1v1
Big bunny makes sense, do you usually build up bumble over the course of the game or wait till the end? I feel I start drawing a lot of attention the bigger she gets
sand island
Basically fogging, boardwiping, out card-drawing, and winning through combat with a giant creature
solemn hamlet
I love it
pastel agate
My playgroup has been defunct for a while now, so I haven't really been playing ...
;-;
tribal temple
Ive been facing the same issue. We started to try and play on spelltable more
pastel agate
Hey - we’ve been trying to ramp up our LFG here on the server
Maybe we can get some bumble pods :3
sand island
all bumble pod 
solemn hamlet
😮 I don't have a cam though I'd have to get one
pastel agate
That would be utter chaos
tribal temple
that sounds like chaos
mild folio
Everyone aggressively drawing cards and staring at eachother
pastel agate
😮 I don't have a cam though I'd have to get one
Mine is the Logitech c920
Works really well
tribal temple
I just use my phone
sand island
Also looking for one.
solemn hamlet
Bet
tribal temple
with a phone mount
solemn hamlet
Alright gotta drive home from work good to see familiar faces here still lol!
sand island
Drive safe 
tribal temple
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07S9JXQP2 - my group uses this but I couldnt get it to work with my setup
solemn hamlet
Levi you better still be running sgt John Benton
tribal temple
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXPJZ93B this is the one I use
mild folio
We use tabletop sim still sometimes
tribal temple
We used to use TTS but its kinda clunky
mild folio
I prefer it over camera cause I can playtests decks I don't own in paper before I buy them
half ice
My deck list by the way Mapo
thank you! looking spicy
pastel agate
Alright gotta drive home from work good to see familiar faces here still lol!
I realized you hadn’t messaged since hell week, just wanted to let you know we missed ya
sand island
Big bunny makes sense, do you usually build up bumble over the course of the gam...
Usually it's pretty spread out until the end.
Unless I have some protection or other interaction I can hold up
Then bumbleflower is getting thicc
Or if I have benton as a better target to grow
Or some other +1 counter sink to draw cards/recur/etc
Usually bumbleflower with just 1 or 2 counters has a big enough butt to dissuade attackers early game.
mild folio
Alright I'm probably playing wrong by dumping my counters on her too fast but I don't think I have many other good targets in my current list so that's something to look into
Thank yall for all the answers and advice tho I'm excited to brew something hopefully more functional (I'm gonna take a lot inspiration from your list @sand island)
sand island
I'm still very much a magic novice, but no problem! Welcome to the bumbleclub, and enjoy!
The counter sinks I'm thinking of are [[evolution witness]], [[fathom mage]] [[incubation druid]] and the like
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Creature — Elf Shaman Mutant
: Adapt 2. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put two +1/+1 counters on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Evolution Witness, return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.
She remembers every breakthrough, from the gene's mutation to the new life's propagation.
2/1
Creature — Elf Druid
: Add one mana of any type that a land you control could produce. If Incubation Druid has a +1/+1 counter on it, add three mana of that type instead.
: Adapt 3. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put three +1/+1 counters on it.)
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pastel agate
Alright I'm probably playing wrong by dumping my counters on her too fast but I ...
One thing to note, you can put counters on your opponents creatures
So if you have no good targets, consider fueling your friends’ bloodlusts
mild folio
I am pretty sure I want a similar playstyle as yours my main breaking point is I have tod decide if I want pillowfort or Aikido more
sand island
Even more so with [[generous patron]] and kros
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mild folio
So if you have no good targets, consider fueling your friends’ bloodlusts
True I think that iption will open up more for me when I make changes to help protect myself a bit more from them
sand island
I didn't like [[nils, discipline enforcer]] as payoff, since the counters already have to be on.
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Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
At the beginning of your end step, for each player, put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature that player controls.
Each creature with one or more counters on it can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless its controller pays 
, where X is the number of counters on that creature.
2/2
pastel agate
I am pretty sure I want a similar playstyle as yours my main breaking point is I...
Can always go half and half, it’s a spectrum
sand island
There's no one true bumbleflower deck that works. It'll take a lot of trial to determine what you like the best.
mild folio
Ill share what I brew up thank yall tho fr I have been asking A LOT of questions lol
sand island
You're always welcome any time!
solemn hamlet
I realized you hadn’t messaged since hell week, just wanted to let you know we m...
Aww thanks 🙂 missed yall too ill pop in here more often
mild folio
would [[Emissary Green]] be good?
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sand island
I wouldn't bother with it, but it could be decent. I don't really love voting cards personally.
Unless you have a specific interaction with voting like that one commander.
mild folio
makes sense
pastel agate
It’s best in a go wide deck
mild folio
this might be a crazy way to deck build but I dump all the cards I am interested in or own that I like into a list then cut down so the brew rn has 164 cards 😅
mild folio
my roommates have told me I am crazy for this behavior lol
pastel agate
That’s pretty common to go over and cut down, i think
I typically go to (100-x lands) then stop
Then just start finding replacements
mild folio
this is where I am at rn 65 over working on cutting down, if anything stands out that you have tried and isn't great I'd love to know to make cuts easier
sand island
I don't know if I would run aven interrupter in a deck that already runs blue
Cool card though
mild folio
I'll sideboard it there is def stuff I have put it that is probably too much redundancy lol
sand island
I actually like promise of loyalty quite a bit. I should slot it back in my deck.
mild folio
I love promise
I would use it then pump something big someone kept to kill others lol
sand island
Duelist's heritage is especially good with that
pastel agate
Power matrix kinda bad
sand island
4 mana is expensive for that
mild folio
that's true
how do we feel about [[Windshaper Planetar]] I think it is funny but expensive
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pastel agate
Redemption arc not good
sand island
Worse than illusionist's gambit
tribal temple
I would mostly cut a lot of the higher cost CMC spells since you really want to cast 2 spells a turn.
I dont like forced fruition, smuggler's share, Redemption arc, court of garenbrig, simic ascendancy, blind obedience, Power matrix, decanter of endless water, thoughtvessel, bloodthirsty blade
pastel agate
Could be good, but still
sand island
And illusionist's gambit has the benefit of you being able to get it back with the [[torrential gearhulk]]
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tribal temple
One thing with bumble to be aware of is you want to come across as everyone's friend so some scary cards you cant play because then everyone will turn and kill you
so you want to fly under the radar for as long as possible
sand island
Oh nvm, this isn't in your list
mild folio
Oh nvm, this isn't in your list
illusionist's gambit?
pastel agate
I’m not a fan of shrieking drake and co, but especially not drake
mild folio
oh yeah I have it in maybe
pastel agate
They do (pronouns, btw?)
sand island
Oh yeah, in sideboard
mild folio
They do (pronouns, btw?)
They is right 👍
pastel agate
Nils is straight up worse than propaganda imo
sand island
I think shrieking drake is made better with flash enablers
Yeah I wasn't a big fan of nils
pastel agate
I think shrieking drake is made better with flash enablers
Whitemane doesn’t need ‘em
More consistent
mild folio
so things might shift btw I am making changes as we talk gearhulk is in sideboard atm
sand island
Granted
mild folio
smuggler's share bad?
sand island
It's okay. Mostly a budget trouble in pairs effect.
mild folio
It's okay. Mostly a budget trouble in pairs effect.
oke I dount' have a trouble in pairs atm so may be a placeholder
pastel agate
But outside that it’s not great to give opponents counters
Homunculus horde is… meh, imo
sand island
Generous patron and kros. Yeah
pastel agate
Bad scute swarm
Jolrael is fine if you’re doing tokens
Idk, I wasn’t personally a fan
Mybe I should give it another shot
sand island
I don't think I've ever used Jol'rael tbh
mild folio
I like Jolrael as a finisher I can punc someone into orbit with her activated ability atleast I have before
sand island
I'm leaving her in my list until she at least hits the field lol
Council of four was too expensive and the second doctor kinda sucked imo
Dusk Legion Duelist seems pretty good
mild folio
Council of four was too expensive and the second doctor kinda sucked imo
even for the goad? I am on the fence about it sense it is symetrical and people can opt out but I like the goad aspect
Dusk Legion is great
sand island
It's not goad
And it's uncontrolled, yeah
If they draw a card, they weren't going to attack you anyways
So you just gave free card draw
mild folio
I am on the fence about Heliod he is expensive idk if I am sold on him
mild folio
If they draw a card, they weren't going to attack you anyways
very true doctor is out
pastel agate
I am on the fence about Heliod he is expensive idk if I am sold on him
He helps with big storm turns
mild folio
I am unsure if I will be storming that heavily with this strat
it is a bit hard to assess in a vacuum tho
sand island
Even without storming exactly, a 1 cost reduction on your first spell, then a 2 cost reduction on your second spell each opponent's turn is good. As well as being another flash enabler.
mild folio
aight you sold me I'm in
is [[Suppressor Skyguard]] a bad redundancy for propaganda or prison?
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mild folio
trying to cut some stuff with the same cmc as bumble
pastel agate
7 mana is rough but it can be paid in installments and basically turns your cards into single colored mana
pastel agate
is [[Suppressor Skyguard]] a bad redundancy for propaganda or prison?
I like it
sand island
Oh nevermind, they have to have another opponent (who isn't being attacked).
mild folio
Oh nevermind, they have to have another opponent (who isn't being attacked).
ye turns off in a 1v1 but is still a flyer I could pump
it also doesn't do anything if they swing a creature at each opponent
which spreads stuff out but very week to go wide decks
would [[Hullbreaker Horror]] paint too much of a target on me? I am considering removing cards that make me too scary looking lol
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sand island
It is a very scary card
But what are they going to do about it? You have a hullbreaker horror.
Just bounce every spell they cast against you back to their hand
mild folio
lol that is true
sand island
Its cost is a little limiting, as it's harder to double spell with it
And it might be a little too oppressive if you can make it stick.
Same with glen elandra
mild folio
glen is good obviously but I think I would get more hate for hullbreaker more thanm maybe I want lol