Ms. Bumbleflower: Communal Brewing

[glossy fox]

kitsa is mono blue so i can add my [[winter moon]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/213/winter-moon

Winter Moon <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Players can't untap more than one nonbasic land during their untap steps.
"The sun and moon have decided to make a competition of our misery." —Naromin, veteran explorer

[glossy fox]

winter orb but not as bad

[worthy stone]

I build my decks to be inclusive not restrictive

I think playstyles meant to frustrate people aren’t fun personally

[sand island]

Being inclusive is nice

[worthy stone]

Like I don’t think I’ve whipped my mono black deck out in forever

Bc people just despise it

Even though it’s so fun

[sand island]

Lmao, which is that?

My friends "hate" my Norin deck, and tend to target me first when I play it, but you just have to embrace it

[worthy stone]

Shirei

Its only like a pl 7 but if it pops off it can reoccur a loop that wipes the board and every hand

And since I play out of my graveyard I don’t rly need a hand

The decks only like 200$too

But once people play vs it once or twice they just know to remove shirei and save removal for it

So you basically don’t play the game

[sand island]

That's fair. My friend made a Toxrill deck, and had to swap out the commander for the same reason.

[worthy stone]

I found that people don’t want to play with/against gameplans the involve not having fun

[sand island]

Go figure

[worthy stone]

So I tried to make my decks both fun to play and to create fun situations

[sand island]

Yeah, commander is much more of a collaborative game in that regard

[worthy stone]

Which is why I play a lot of group hugs decks that are interactive and not just everybody gets everything

[pastel agate]

That’s why i like [[breena]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/217/breena-the-demagogue

Breena, the Demagogue <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Bird Warlock
Flying
Whenever a player attacks one of your opponents, if that opponent has more life than another of your opponents, that attacking player draws a card and you put two +1/+1 counters on a creature you control.
1/3

[sand island]

Compared to like 60 card formats

[worthy stone]

That’s so cool

I also have decks where I purposefully become the antagonist

Like my mimeo deck and pirate deck

Its answer this big thing I cheat out or you all lose

So everyone works together to beat it lmao

[pastel agate]

Breena has been my favorite forever now. I’ve been brewing flying men decks forever now, and Breena just blows every other one out of the water

[worthy stone]

Xyris is my all time favorite

I went from a low power xyris to a high power bc everyone kept complaining about wheels in lower power

[sand island]

I want to make a xyris deck sometime

But maybe John benton will fill that hole for me

[worthy stone]

It’s in this awkward space where you can’t rly make it low power

If it’s not strong enough you basically don’t do anything until you cast xyris and then end up winning through having a ton of snakes

Where you don’t have fun for 5 turns then your opponents complain you just win out of nowhere

[sand island]

Xyris with purphoros seems insane

[worthy stone]

Yeah it is

That’s the most common win

Two wheels deletes everyone

It’s also funny to kill everyone with haste snakes

Or shared animosity

[sand island]

It's possible to run it without wheels

But who would trust you

[worthy stone]

No one lol

And if you don’t run wheels just pick a different commander honestly

[sand island]

Nobody really wants to put a wheel of fortune in their deck

Unless it's proxied, which I don't really like putting proxies in. Despite being in support of them, it's nice to just have the actual card.

[solemn hamlet]

Yuriko players be like

[worthy stone]

Lmao

I don’t want to be prohibited by a price tag to play a card I like

[sand island]

That's completely fair

[worthy stone]

I just think being upfront about it and explaining the power level of the deck is a must if you proxy

[pastel agate]

Basedbasedbasedbasedba-

[worthy stone]

I purposefully don’t proxy stuff like alpha duels

[sand island]

It's kinda a must regardless

[worthy stone]

Or mana crypt unless I’m playing high power

Most of my decks are 7

[pastel agate]

I proxy duals for my decks, if my decks are casual already then why do i wanna care about fixing

[sand island]

It's the meme

[worthy stone]

Lmao

Difference is I know what power level is

And how to balance a deck for 7

[pastel agate]

The problem is that numbers are meaningless

“7” means something different to everyone

[sand island]

^^

[worthy stone]

7 to me means less than 2 tutors, no free spells, no fast mana

And no 2/3 card combo wins

If you do have a combo deck I think it’s a rule 0 thing you should say

[pastel agate]

Sure, but to me “7” means zero nonland tutors, no fast mana, free spells on the table, no combos

Rituals aren’t fast mana

And to other people I know “7” is basically anything below cedh

[worthy stone]

8 to me is basically budget less or high budget

It’s like cedh lite

[sand island]

I play with the same group every week, so I don't really need to have this discussion, but it's probably also fair to mention what turn you expect to win on

[worthy stone]

That’s true too

Most of my 7 decks win on 6-8

[sand island]

Also, 10 point scale is useless too since you aren't going to use the bottom or top numbers lol

[worthy stone]

I moved recently so I don’t have an irl pod

[sand island]

If 9-10 is CEDH, then they are both really just CEDH

And if 1-3 is really just a pile of cards, it's just a pile of cards

[worthy stone]

4 is weak precons 5 is strong /upgraded precons right?

[pastel agate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Precons have gotten a lot stronger recently

Old precons likely don’t stand a chance anymore

[worthy stone]

Ya my omitri precon feels like ass

But I like my rebellion rising precon a lot

[solemn hamlet]

I do like the playedh power level chart

[worthy stone]

What is it

[sand island]

There are really like only 4 power levels then eh

[solemn hamlet]

https://www.playedh.com/power-levels

Less of a rigid number structure and more descriptive

[untold oxide]

Yeah imo there are 4 types, low/battlecruiser, mid, high, cedh

battlecruiser can go into mid but it needs to be like dragons/angels/zombies.

[worthy stone]

Is high including fringe cedh?

[sand island]

How does fringe cedh differ from cedh?

[worthy stone]

It’s like offmeta/rouge cedh

Also I just hit someone with a 43 bumble

And it was rly funny

The interaction between court and hull claude is so fun

You get bumble from 4 to 12 to 15 to 30 on turn 5*

[sand island]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-looking-wrestling-wwe-vince-mc-mahon-gif-15026518

[twin jungle]

off meta decks that are cedh but not consistently winning tournaments
or decks that are winning tournaments but only under a few very skilled pilots

[sand island]

Still just seems like cedh to me tbh

[twin jungle]

yeah i agree if you're lumping things into loose categories like that
there is still a difference there though

i love my fringe cEDH decks but they don't regularly win against meta decks

[sand island]

Doesn't seem worth delimiting tbh

[worthy stone]

God I love bumbly

Concord and court have been preforming so good

[sand island]

Bumbleflower is a ton of fun,k yeah

[worthy stone]

Gosh all my upgrades to bumbly since I got the precon

I think I replaced like 99% of it

[sand island]

Almost same

That's going to be most precons though tbh

[worthy stone]

Yeah the precon was kinda bad

[dim zodiac]

Card: Ms.Bumbleflower
Artist: Me
NFS

[solemn hamlet]

LOL

[untold oxide]

Its the most lore-accurate version for sure

[sand island]

[pastel agate]

Bumbleflower hitting the GYM

The poison she gave her husband was tren

[worthy stone]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UBDgeUDRJk2NHE74gMgy1Q back at it with an update, my last list was all over the place because i was confused about the identity of the deck, it had synergies with more midrange strategies yet had a combo/control shell.

in testing it felt really unfun for opponents when you chain combo'd nardu into 7-8 spells and won the game off of one bumble.

I didn't enjoy it, the opponents didn't enjoy it and i spent most of early game playing reactive. while effective that's not my jam.

Now with this list, it feels far more interactive, your victory is fair (via combat) so most opponents can see it coming and won't be "too" salty. While this means curating it for a more midrange style and sacrificing a lot of the "fun" group hug stuff, that stuff draws games from 1ish hours to over 3 sometimes which is taxing on everyone

i prefer this version and after a game or so i'd say it preforms fairly well

ill be testing it more this week and see how i feel about it going forward

[cursive egret]

Yeah Nadu du be duing that to games. At least you have Heliod/Ballista as a quick out if things get too grindy, game's gotta end I say good to have a release valve.

[formal ruin]

I dont run nadu because the deck is about bumble not nadu

[sand island]

I've only had him once or twice since putting him in my deck, and it hasn't felt too game warping

Just don't run the free targetting and it's a lot more fair

[formal ruin]

I guess yeah, I dont have any boots or anything.. so maybe, but I dont want to become a nadu in the 99'er

[sand island]

Fair

There are far more interesting cards to add anywho

[formal ruin]

I just updated my paper deck to my v3, took like 1 hour to do so

[worthy stone]

Everytime I hit nadu I end up one shotting someone with bumble, getting 13+ lands and spending 15 minutes

Usually the person I oneshot drew 30 cards

If you guys want to help, I’m looking to cut a card and I’m struggling

I added trouble in pairs bc it’s just too good with bumble

I rly love John Benton but he’s the only decent cut I know of

[sand island]

I'd cut off my right arm before I cut Benton

[worthy stone]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UBDgeUDRJk2NHE74gMgy1Q

Need two cuts 😦

Walking ballista has been my new favorite card in bumble

We really struggle to ping things

[formal ruin]

I dont think benton is cutable tbh

not when bumble gives it flying every turn

[formal ruin]

ozolith the shattered spire

[worthy stone]

The issue I’ve had with benton

Is I don’t want an opponent drawing 7 cards

[formal ruin]

you dont have to attack with him, you could use it as a negotiation piece

[worthy stone]

Fair

[formal ruin]

the alternative is a creature

but I guess benton is a creature, but there cuts before benton here imo

[worthy stone]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UBDgeUDRJk2NHE74gMgy1Q

That’s what I settled on

[formal ruin]

I know I do need bounce for creatures with coutners

[worthy stone]

If other people have creatures with counters I just hold up blockers

Bc mine are always going to be bigger

I specifically included 7 ways to double the amount of tokens on my creatures

[worthy stone]

Check out cephalid constable

[formal ruin]

i saw in the list

if you are running that arwen, why arent you running nesting grounds?

the other thing, is cutting shabaz if you have a lifegain combo?

I guess shabaz is 5 mana

[worthy stone]

I’m new to magic and don’t know a lot of the cards

Well commander specifically

[worthy stone]

Shabraz felt so dead

I added faster and alternate ways of lifegain

When I casted Shabaz I only had one other card to play usually

And I had other things I’d want to play over a 5 drop most games I saw him

So I added faster ways that synergies better with life link and counters

But he’s def on the fence

I’m still testing it a lot

I’m not quite happy

[worthy stone]

I just updated it and I feel a lot better about it, but I need to test akromas will more

[worthy stone]

Also thanks for all of your help! I rly like my list right now and feels pretty fun if you like 1/1 counter midrange decks

Also every time I had akroma will I wish it was avenger

[worthy stone]

Most likely my final version of this list, I just made it in paper. After 5 games I was super satisfied with the performance. Might update it after a month or two of playing in paper

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UBDgeUDRJk2NHE74gMgy1Q

[formal ruin]

wait when did this list become 1.2k

wtf

why dos

all my decks now be 1k

wtf

[worthy stone]

A LOT of the counter/token synergy is like 60+ per card

For no reason

[worthy stone]

Also alt art bumble is 400$

[formal ruin]

(1.2k euroes)

🙂

[worthy stone]

If it wasn’t for proxies I just wouldn’t ever play paper ngl

[formal ruin]

[[$ms bumble]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/3/ms-bumbleflower

Prices for Ms. Bumbleflower

Bloomburrow Commander

$0.96 • €0.74 • 0.58 TIX

Bloomburrow Commander

$320.47 • 0.20 TIX

[formal ruin]

[sand island]

[[$sra. margarita]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/3/es/sra-margarita

Prices for Ms. Bumbleflower

No prices available for Ms. Bumbleflower.

[worthy stone]

Alerting you girlies about bristly bill’s existence

It’s so good

[hot breach]

Is [[rammas echor, ancient shield]] being explored?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltc/505/rammas-echor-ancient-shield

Rammas Echor, Ancient Shield <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact
Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, draw a card, then create a 0/3 white Wall creature token with defender.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, creatures you control with defender gain exalted until end of turn. (Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each instance of exalted among permanents you control.)

[worthy stone]

It looks cool in a pillow fort group hug

[hot breach]

Blockers, draw and gives the rabbit that extra reach she sometimes needs

[formal ruin]

I feel like the fact its an artifact opens it up to a lot of bad things

incidental removal and stuff, for 4 mana its quite a lot

[hot breach]

I was surprised that it is an artifact. I Mandela effected that thing as an enchantment (still affected by incidental removal but less so)

[solemn hamlet]

No more bird

[pastel agate]

No more bird, no more crypt, no more jlo for me

But tbh not upset at all

[solemn hamlet]

Only card I ran is Dockside in Grenzo which I'm sad about but he's easily replaced in that deck

[worthy stone]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UBDgeUDRJk2NHE74gMgy1Q
Update after playing like 5 games. I felt like mana was a constant issue, card draw and removal weren’t, but I would die a lot to instant blow outs. Added protection and flash creatures, crawler for mana generation and a few more incidental tokens.

Ran two games with the list and I’m really happy how it plays

[formal ruin]

I had dockside in jinnie, was the only deck I had one in, and that was to make cats

now my jinnie is baylen.. now I dont feel so bad

[worthy stone]

Baylen is so good

That’s my second fav deck

[formal ruin]

my nadu deck is dead, but so what, MY THREE FUCKING FAST MANA PEICES GOT GOT, YES FUCK FAST MANA

[worthy stone]

Ya I don’t play any decks with fast mana

I’ll have free spells in my decks but no fast mana

Comeuppance and portal manipulator have always been hilarious

[solemn hamlet]

YES Comeuppance is so fun

It's also in my Queen Marchesa deck and one day I hope to Comeuppance a swing into me with [[Repercussion]] on board

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/uds/95/repercussion

Repercussion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature is dealt damage, Repercussion deals that much damage to that creature's controller.
Not all Keld's warriors are found on the battlefield.

[formal ruin]

WE HATE FASST MANA

YESSSSS

my nadu tho

BUT WE FAST MANA

woooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[worthy stone]

I’ve been trying to make a queen marchesa deck can I see your list?

Ya rip nadu 🥺

Casual players W high power L

Rip the 210 ppl

[solemn hamlet]

https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8980808/the_queens_influence_categories
Totally :]

[worthy stone]

Tysm!

Literally only one of my decks was affected (nadu in bumble)

[formal ruin]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[solemn hamlet]

It's missing Trouble in Pairs, but it's not necessary

Yeah I'm excited to go to my locals now because everyone used to run Mana Crypt/Jeweled lotus no matter what and it kind of annoyed me

[worthy stone]

Ah I just ordered trouble too

I put it in bumble

[solemn hamlet]

Same, my copys in Bumbleflower

[worthy stone]

Yeah I’m v clear about not playing with fast mana

The legendary mox is kinda okay

That’s the only one I’m fine with

Mox amber?

[solemn hamlet]

Yup

[worthy stone]

You can’t usually use it until later in the game

[sand island]

Cool I guess. I'll put a more interesting card than Nadu in now.

[formal ruin]

yesssssssssssssssssssssss

FUCK FAST MANa

[formal ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/flareon-pokemon-running-help-me-gif-12664727

[worthy stone]

I swapped her for portal

Was thinking about narset too

[sand island]

Portal?

[[portal to phyrexia]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/240/portal-to-phyrexia

Portal to Phyrexia <:mana9:292901508826005504>

Artifact
When Portal to Phyrexia enters, each opponent sacrifices three creatures.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control. It's a Phyrexian in addition to its other types.
After five thousand years, the nightmare returned.

[solemn hamlet]

[[portal manipulator]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/40/portal-manipulator

Portal Manipulator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manawu:292901508696113153><:manawu:292901508696113153>

Creature — Human Wizard
Flash
When Portal Manipulator enters during the declare attackers step, choose target player and any number of target attacking creatures their opponents control. Those creatures are now attacking that player.
"The next punch you throw hits the back of your own head."
3/2

[fair pilot]

I'm a huge Bumbleflower fan and one excellent synergy I've been using and seen nobody else mention is her with [[Rashmi, Eternities Crafter]], the floor of the interaction is you get a card to replace your first spell. The ceiling is getting a free spell and 2 Bumbleflower triggers for the price of the first spell.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/231/rashmi-eternities-crafter

Rashmi, Eternities Crafter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever you cast your first spell each turn, reveal the top card of your library. You may cast it without paying its mana cost if it's a spell with lesser mana value. If you don't cast it, put it into your hand.
2/3

[solemn hamlet]

I like it

I may try that out next time I play

[sand island]

Oooh

I like it

Finding it hard to cut things now though 😔

I also like Portal Manipulator

[pastel agate]

What did we decide as replacements for nadu and crypt?

[sand island]

I needed more ramp, so I put in incubation druid to replace nadu

[sand island]

Did you ever end up playing [[Oversimplify]] ?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/228/oversimplify

Oversimplify <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile all creatures. Each player creates a 0/0 green and blue Fractal creature token and puts a number of +1/+1 counters on it equal to the total power of creatures they controlled that were exiled this way.
"A fine example of addition by subtraction." —Deekah, professor of fractal theory

[pastel agate]

Inc druid makes sense

I haven’t messed with oversimplify, no

Could be pretty good, though technically oversimplify rewards wide + anthem more than it does making one creature big imo

[sand island]

I meant to direct that at sleepy.

True though.

I'm trying it out for a bit because I have stuff maze of ith and sokrates who both benefit off of dealing with a single large target

[daring ether]

collector ouphe and null rod lmao

[pastel agate]

Nice, lol

[solemn hamlet]

I haven't tested Oversimplify yet, my test slot in right now is [[Sly Instigator]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/736/sly-instigator

Sly Instigator <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
, : Until your next turn, target creature an opponent controls can't be blocked. Goad that creature. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
"Me? I'm just an innocent bystander!"
2/4

[twin jungle]

Would love to hear more about your experience with this one when you get the chance to play it
I like throwing activated abilities into this deck since I'm always holding up mana for interaction anyway, and I like goad effects

[solemn hamlet]

Yup, you got it!

[formal ruin]

[[delney streetwise]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/12/delney-streetwise-lookout

Delney, Streetwise Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Scout
Creatures you control with power 2 or less can't be blocked by creatures with power 3 or greater.
If an ability of a creature you control with power 2 or less triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
"It's not a matter of what I know. It's a matter of making it worth my while to tell you."
2/2

[sand island]

Double bumble triggers

[formal ruin]

I dunno what deck to make

since nadu got got

[sand island]

Ms. Bumbleflower, clearly

[pastel agate]

Only if you don’t put counters on her

[sand island]

Oh yeah true

I actually don't like delney, nvm

[formal ruin]

maybe I just commit to the jeely bean

jeely bean as main landfall deck to win with

[pastel agate]

I like temur jelly bean

Lotsa draw, removal on a body

[formal ruin]

me getting new festival jeely bean

I got some stuff like valakut awakening, jeskas will, already

after that im not sure, since I wanna make a deck ill actually platy

ohhh

enchantments

no dockside anymore

let me play 9lives/shroud to its full potential I guess

theres also mono-w angels, but I dont think I'll ever financially recover from that

[worthy stone]

If you wanna go the opposite direction of group hug baba lysaga is so much fun

[brave folio]

No card found for “baba yaga”

[worthy stone]

[[baba lysaga]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/266/baba-lysaga-night-witch

Baba Lysaga, Night Witch <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
, Sacrifice up to three permanents: If there were three or more card types among the sacrificed permanents, each opponent loses 3 life, you gain 3 life, and you draw three cards.
Better the cold night than her warm hospitality.
3/3

[sand island]

Baby Lasagna!

My friend has that card and I was so confused by it

It would be really good in a Winter deck, or winter good in it, since you want cards with multiple types for each.

[formal ruin]

im very sad about the nadu ban

I was gonna build a cedh deveri deck

[sand island]

It's for the best

You still can

[worthy stone]

I was looking for fun decks and I’ve been playing cirdian and he’s a blast, I was gunna try out baba yaga online but she seems like something I’d enjoy

[glossy fox]

why?

there got to be other creatures you can buff

[solemn hamlet]

Delney with Generous Patron and passing around counters could be sickening

I'm still totally in the Delney camp. Just need to get one

[pastel agate]

Just depends on what you’re putting the counters on is all

[pastel agate]

Got a list? He looks cool but feels like simic Braids so I wasn’t sure how that’d work out

Plus him having to attack is rough

And, like, ratios on flicker/unblockable vs. big stuff to run

Was considering adding him to my simic legendaries deck too

[sand island]

The buny needs to get as thick as possible

[worthy stone]

It’s not my list but I really like this one I found and have been using for a few months

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tlbURrGt8k-s772-29SD0Q

[worthy stone]

Theirs better options fs

[pastel agate]

Oath of Druids GAMING??

[worthy stone]

Dude I love that card sm

I threw it in my mimeo deck

Everytime I cast oath it’s such a fun game

[sand island]

Is that the GGG one?

[[oath of druids]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/159/oath-of-druids

Oath of Druids <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player chooses target player who controls more creatures than they do and is their opponent. The first player may reveal cards from the top of their library until they reveal a creature card. If the first player does, that player puts that card onto the battlefield and all other cards revealed this way into their graveyard.

[sand island]

[worthy stone]

Playing it in a 33 creature deck with avg cmc of 5 is so fun

Blight steel colossus on turn 3 UwU

It that betrays in turn 3

[formal ruin]

played 3 games of deck

had fun all three but lost all three

generous patron did a lot

terferi who makes spirits did a lot

pir did a lot

cant say much about anything else tbh

oh

and kami, kami did a lot

danny pink too

[sand island]

This is your bumbleflower deck?

[formal ruin]

yes

[formal ruin]

Somehow need more ramp in the deck so I can double spell more often with better spells

But the deck did function well.. just needs to function better without bumble just in case

[pastel agate]

Why do you think my list had like 24 ramp spells haha

Like, my engine usually boiled down to ramp piece + impactful spell until I can do impactful spell + impactful spell

[formal ruin]

But if I have more ramp I gotta take nice stuff away

[pastel agate]

Ye, you’ll draw into your nicEST stuff quicker if you double spell every turn tho

[formal ruin]

[sand island]

The nicest stuff in my deck is drawing out

That's my gameplan

[formal ruin]

turns out my deck only had 35 lands

because I only had 99 cards in the deck..

so I was on one less land from the start

was missing a [[shifting woodland]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/228/shifting-woodland

Shifting Woodland

Land
Shifting Woodland enters tapped unless you control a Forest.
: Add .
Delirium — : Shifting Woodland becomes a copy of target permanent card in your graveyard until end of turn. Activate only if there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard.

[sand island]

Oops!

[solemn hamlet]

Lol

[brazen phoenix]

anyone got a list for around 600$?

[crystal quest]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6GoV_C8uz0q5NIEGd4fsAg

[formal ruin]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jzeOCK74zUe5USg9VkaoFw

[formal ruin]

on cheapest I'm fairly sure mine is around $500-$600

[brazen phoenix]

idk moxfield doesnt show rn

[formal ruin]

yeah i dont know why thats the case

[torn shard]

Messaging here so I have this in my list so I can refer to it later. I just got the precon and plan to work with it after I take a step away from magic for a bit

[sand island]

Wooo

[tribal temple]

Do you guys cast this on cruve for ramp or do you save it for a combat trick? Ive been saving it for a combat trick but I think its hurting my tempo and im playing it wrong

[pastel agate]

Imo, depends on where in the game you are. Early on, ramp with it. If you draw it late in the game, when you have like 8-10 mana, keep it.

If it’s in your opening hand you should aim to ramp with it 95% of the time

The other 5% is if someone gets off to a stupid fast start

[tribal temple]

ah ok yeah I would hold it early. I thought I was miss playing by doing that

[pastel agate]

You would think holding it up for interaction would be best, but really it’s just a modular card. Use the mode that benefits you most when you can

And what benefits you most early on is accelerating your gameplan

[tribal temple]

I learned that yesterday when I played her for the first time.

Im going with a +1/+1 counter theme for her here is my list if anyone has feedback https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower

After playing her I feel like Im really missing some cards that push me over the edge. Lots of durdleing. Im think adding some things that double my counters or at least allow me to get a lot more out.

[pastel agate]

Depends the direction you wanna go

I went control

Then tried to dial it to 11

[tribal temple]

I didnt think cards that increased the amount of counters you put out would be good since most cards say when you put one or more but I actually think you need those to get enough counters to swing in

I have checked out your deck quite a few times :p

Are there any cards in my list that you used to run that just never really worked for you?

The card that has gotten me the most value is [[View from above]] btw. That card put in work ever game and the only reason its in there is because I needed to replace Nadu

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/con/38/view-from-above

View from Above <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn. If you control a white permanent, return View from Above to its owner's hand.
"This air feels so heavy and thick. There are no winds to speak of. I fear the knowledge that comes from a place like this."

[pastel agate]

I wasn’t a fan of Rishkar

Just because I’d rather be swinging with whatever I’m putting counters on

Nils is slow and requires your opponents to get the counters, and I avoided doing that like the plague

[tribal temple]

yeah I agree, plus I never really have more than 4 creatures out so im not getting much mana from him

[pastel agate]

Wizard class can easily be replaced with [[proft’s eidetic memory]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/67/profts-eidetic-memory

Proft's Eidetic Memory <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
When Proft's Eidetic Memory enters, draw a card.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've drawn more than one card this turn, put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is the number of cards you've drawn this turn minus one.

[tribal temple]

I assumed Nils would be a good propaganda effect because I do face quite a few big beaters in my pod

[pastel agate]

Eh, you’d be better off just removing it

[tribal temple]

I saw everyone talking about Proft's a few days back! My only concern was that aren't people typically casting cards on other peoples turns with Bumbleflower?

[pastel agate]

I didn’t, usually

But also your card draw stacks a lot near the midgame

[tribal temple]

thats true.

[pastel agate]

So card draw draws into more draw

It turned bunny lethal real quick

Also, if you don’t have to give away cards, do not

[tribal temple]

I was also considering [[Brokers Ascendancy]] to double up on my creatues that give me value for getting counters.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/170/brokers-ascendancy

Brokers Ascendancy <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control and a loyalty counter on each planeswalker you control.
"This is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. And more importantly, a profitable one. Now sign here."

[pastel agate]

Get rid of [[long river’s pull]], it’s literally just a worse [[counterspell]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/58/long-rivers-pull

Long River's Pull <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Gift a card (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, they draw a card before its other effects.)
Counter target creature spell. If the gift was promised, instead counter target spell.

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/114/counterspell

Counterspell <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Counter target spell.

[pastel agate]

It’s mostly good if you’re going wide but with your choice of synergy creatures it could be real good

This is just me but I fucking hate perch protection

[tribal temple]

you are very right about long river's pull and I cant believe I didnt realize that

[pastel agate]

If you can run tef pro, do that

[tribal temple]

I just wanna cast it once

[pastel agate]

Otherwise [[selfless spirit]] for board protection or [[obscuring haze]] for fog

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/706/selfless-spirit

Selfless Spirit <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Spirit Cleric
Flying
Sacrifice Selfless Spirit: Creatures you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
"There is always more to give."
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/308/obscuring-haze

Obscuring Haze <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
If you control a commander, you may cast this spell without paying its mana cost.
Prevent all damage that would be dealt this turn by creatures your opponents control.
Whether hunter or hunted, Kathril chooses when it is seen.

[tribal temple]

I dont have a t pro sadly.

[pastel agate]

‘S all good, there’s other options

[tribal temple]

I do have almost all of the different green fogs though. I like trying out all of the different ones

[pastel agate]

You need far more ramp than 8 pieces

[pastel agate]

That’s fair, I didn’t get that far yet

[pastel agate]

I recommend like 15

Minimum

[tribal temple]

You just run the typically green ramp?

or do you run rocks too?

[pastel agate]

Accelerating into double spelling two impactful spells a turn is crucial

[pastel agate]

I’m a much bigger fan of land ramp

[tribal temple]

same

[pastel agate]

Rocks when you have green tells me you want to die to a stray vandalblast

[tribal temple]

yup. The issue is finding room for the ramp. Is your win con smasing face or are you going the alt win con route?

[pastel agate]

Smashing face, typically with rhe bunny

I just protect her

Big turning point is protecting yourself from a board wipe, most commonly

If they don’t wipe you roll their asses, if they do you protect from it and continue slamming into them

[tribal temple]

That’s the same route I’m trying to go. But using creatures who give you value from spreading +1/+1. I should try putting more counters on my commander. I rarely did that

Do you mind sharing your list again?

[sand island]

Agreed I don't like Rishkar

[cursive egret]

One of us, one of us

[formal ruin]

rishkar to me is 3 mana, put two counters on things so you can then buff or proliferate them

[solemn hamlet]

Rishkar is like ok but eh

Generous Patron >>>

I'd like never use the mana dork part of rishkar

[river nimbus]

Forgotten ancient and sage of hours go brrrr

[sand island]

[[sage of hours]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/jou/50/sage-of-hours

Sage of Hours <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets Sage of Hours, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Remove all +1/+1 counters from Sage of Hours: For each five counters removed this way, take an extra turn after this one.
1/1

[sand island]

Ewww

[formal ruin]

I have two copies but didn’t put it in

But as a way to win the game.. it is on theme for me, so I’m still unsure on the call for myself

Tho honestly I’m considering land tax

And spark double

Too many cards that work really well with themes

[river nimbus]

Why ew?

[sand island]

Extra turns

[pastel agate]

HIW COULD I FORGET ABOUT THIS CARD

HOLY HELL

[river nimbus]

It’s a win condition in concert with counter doublers or forgotten ancient

[pastel agate]

Or just casting like 5 spells a turn

[river nimbus]

You need very little at that point to just take turns until you win

[river nimbus]

Possible, but a double will let you win much sooner

I pulled this off on turn 6 iirc

With forgotten ancients and innkeeper’s talent

It’s probably the best wincon I’ve identified

[buoyant belfry]

I have a question about the gameplay around the commander rather than just the deckbuilding. How often do you feel like you NEED to play two spells in a turn to get full value? Does it ever restrict you when you play a single spell or when you feel like wanting to play more than 2 spells?
I ask cause I was considering a more instal speed approach to the deck to only ever cast 2 spells a turn, but cast 2 spells on everyones turns

[river nimbus]

I definitely feel like I wouldn’t cast a single spell unless it advances my game plan significantly or stops a threat

[pastel agate]

Definitely want to either cast 0 or 2 spells

1 is just giving away value

[river nimbus]

If your opponents are saps this will occasionally work out for you

Some people don’t realize ms bumble flower players are actuallysatan

But you can’t count on this, obviously

[buoyant belfry]

I saw this commander as basically half a Song of Creation

Ive been threorycrafting and tempting myself to build the commander. I was VERY dissapointed by the other Bant commander this year in Morska. That commander felt very slow and clunky

[river nimbus]

Also helps to either be as silent as the grave or have really good politics. The one thing you never want them to notice is how much value you’re actually getting

[solemn hamlet]

That's why I love the aikido shell with her. You can just destroy someone out of thin air when they try to make a move on you, while looking really unassuming and "helping" people sometimes

[pastel agate]

Don’t go giving our secrets away!!

[river nimbus]

Sorry, as a core Zo-zu player I'm used to keeping my evil front and center

[tribal temple]

@solemn hamlet what do you mean when you say your deck has an "aikido shell"?

[solemn hamlet]

By that I mean I have a lot of cards based off of the Aikido playstyle that structures the deck

[sand island]

That's why I really like [[leyline of anticipation]] and now [[kianne]] in this deck.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/726/leyline-of-anticipation

Leyline of Anticipation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Anticipation is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
You may cast spells as though they had flash.

Multiple cards match “kianne”, can you be more specific?

[worthy stone]

They find out quickly when you have 3-4 triggers every single time someone draws a card

[tribal temple]

Why do so many people run [[Fenerous Patron]] ? Seems like generally you are not putting counters on creatures you dont control and I never really need more draw

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/70/generous-patron

Generous Patron <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Advisor
When Generous Patron enters, support 2. (Put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two other target creatures.)
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, draw a card.
1/4

[sand island]

You always need more cards.

He's good in tandem iwth [[Kros, defense contractor]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/7/kros-defense-contractor

Kros, Defense Contractor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Advisor
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a shield counter on target creature an opponent controls.
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, tap that creature and goad it. It gains trample until your next turn. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
2/4

[tribal temple]

He is really good with Kros but its only one card and we dont really have tutors for the most part. I feel like [[Benthic Biomancer]] is better.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/145/benthic-biomancer

Benthic Biomancer <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Merfolk Wizard Mutant
: Adapt 1. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Benthic Biomancer, draw a card, then discard a card.
"I am my life's work."
1/1

[sand island]

Or other goad effects like [[redemption arc]] or [[bloodthirsty blade]] if you want to run a goad package

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/13/redemption-arc

Redemption Arc <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has indestructible and is goaded. (It attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
: Exile enchanted creature.
Crime doesn't pay nearly as well as the Agency.

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/225/bloodthirsty-blade

Bloodthirsty Blade <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and is goaded. (It attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
: Attach Bloodthirsty Blade to target creature an opponent controls. Activate only as a sorcery.
The weapon wields the hand that holds it.

[sand island]

I prefer [[fathom mage]] to benthic probably

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/339/fathom-mage

Fathom Mage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever a +1/+1 counter is put on Fathom Mage, you may draw a card.
1/1

[tribal temple]

Me too, most people run that so I was trying to think of a secondary "put a counter on me and draw a card" style affect to replace Generous Patron

[sand island]

Hmmm, I can't really think of one, but have you considered [[sergeant john benton]]?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/157/sergeant-john-benton

Sergeant John Benton <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Trample, haste
Share Intelligence — Whenever Sergeant John Benton deals combat damage to a player, you and that player each draw that many cards.
"Anyway, nothing to do with you surprises me anymore, Doctor."
2/4

[sand island]

There's [[Danny pink]] which is similar ish to what you're thinking of

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/39/danny-pink

Danny Pink <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Advisor
Mentor (Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature with lesser power.)
Creatures you control have "Whenever one or more counters are put on this creature for the first time each turn, draw a card."
"I don't want to see more things. I want to see the things in front of me more clearly."
4/3

[tribal temple]

I actually run John as his own commander already 😅 . Im trying to stay away from giving my oppents more stuff as it is.

This is my current list after playing the deck this week and spending this morning tweaking it https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower

If theres anything odd or cards that youve played and didnt work id love to hear your thoughts

[twin jungle]

there's a creature from MOM that draws when you put a counter on it but only once

uhhh

[tribal temple]

One of the issues while goldfishing I keep running into, is that it feels like I have too many answers and not enough stuff to do. My hand is just filled with bounces and counters

[sand island]

I should put generous patron in my deck actually

Gahh so many cards

[twin jungle]

I just kind of assume at least one thing needs to be taken care of each turn cycle, and at least one other thing could be dealt with even if it's not an immediate threat when I'm goldfishing control/interaction heavy decks

[sand island]

You draw so much in Ms B, that running a ton of situational interaction is perfectly fine imo

[tribal temple]

Thats a good way to go about it @twin jungle . Im used to playing a lot more proactive decks so its just changing the way I think about power and what I want my hand to look like

My other decks are stuff like [[Gishath]] [[Rin & Seri]] [[Zinna]] etc so most the time I just need one counter or protection spell for my board

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “Gishath”, can you be more specific?

Multiple cards match “Rin & Seri”, can you be more specific?

No card found for “Zinna”

[twin jungle]

in a vacuum without politics there's almost always a target for removal, it just gets tricky when the target is like, someone's [[llanowar elves]] and not a big creature

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/gnt/46/llanowar-elves

Llanowar Elves <:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
: Add .
As patient and generous as life, as harsh and merciless as nature.
1/1

[sand island]

Oh scryfall

[tribal temple]

Im surprised scryfall didnt get any of the 3 i sent lol.

[twin jungle]

the robot is trying its best

[sand island]

How have you found [[innkeeper's talent]] to be?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/180/innkeepers-talent

Innkeeper's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.

[sand island]

I see it's finally going down in price

Also, how have you been liking [[hullbreaker horror]]? I feel like I really want one too.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/724/hullbreaker-horror

Hullbreaker Horror <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Kraken Horror
Flash
This spell can't be countered.
Whenever you cast a spell, choose up to one —
• Return target spell you don't control to its owner's hand.
• Return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
7/8

[sand island]

Especially with so many flash enablers

[twin jungle]

I run innkeepers (pulled it so why not) and I like it, give (potentially) all creatures ward 1 for 3 mana is a good effect, and the last level is a good mana sink later in game if I'm holding mana up

[sand island]

It's too bad it can only be leveled up in sorcery speed

Do you guys think [[reluctant role model]] will be good?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/26/reluctant-role-model

Reluctant Role Model <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Survivor
Survival — At the beginning of your second main phase, if Reluctant Role Model is tapped, put a flying, lifelink, or +1/+1 counter on it.
Whenever Reluctant Role Model or another creature you control dies, if it had counters on it, put those counters on up to one target creature.
2/2

[sand island]

Also good with the [[Nils, disciple enforcer]] in your deck imo

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/20/nils-discipline-enforcer

Nils, Discipline Enforcer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
At the beginning of your end step, for each player, put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature that player controls.
Each creature with one or more counters on it can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless its controller pays , where X is the number of counters on that creature.
2/2

[twin jungle]

I don't see why it wouldn't, unless all your creatures are big and protected enough that they're not dying

[sand island]

fair

I have a couple cards to add from Duskmourne then, that and [[Kianne, corrupted memory]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/2/kianne-corrupted-memory

Kianne, Corrupted Memory <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Illusion
As long as Kianne's power is even, you may cast noncreature spells as though they had flash.
As long as Kianne's power is odd, you may cast creature spells as though they had flash.
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Kianne.
2/2

[sand island]

Have you guys every been happy with [[Tamiyo, field researcher]]?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/emn/190/tamiyo-field-researcher

Tamiyo, Field Researcher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+1: Choose up to two target creatures. Until your next turn, whenever either of those creatures deals combat damage, you draw a card.
−2: Tap up to two target nonland permanents. They don't untap during their controller's next untap step.
−7: Draw three cards. You get an emblem with "You may cast spells from your hand without paying their mana costs."
Loyalty: 4

[sand island]

I could see it being really nice with innkeeper's talent when you level it up obv.

[twin jungle]

I took it out, planesewalkers just get swun into right away in my playgroups so wasn't worth the effort to protect it when my deck is doing other things
still a good card though imo

[sand island]

Yeah, it's the planeswalker conundrum in commander tbh

It doesn't take much for people to want to target you, and planeswalkers are a free attack

I really like the art though

[solemn hamlet]

My Wincons very much involve having enemy creatures be big. Cards like Reins of Power, Selfless Squire, Mirror Strike, and Willbreaker. Oftentimes I'm buffing up someone's creature for either political deals, or combined with goad tools to push some damage through elsewhere. Buffing my own creatures is honestly secondary once I hit mid/late game personally. So it felt very good in my list at least. If you're running with more synergy with your own creatures, Fathom Mage totally is better than Generous Patron.

Ah I should have scrolled down before replying Levi kinda hit most of my points lmao

[pastel agate]

Not great, the part you care about being locked behind 7 mana when you could just run [[branching evolution]] isn’t great. If you look at it from the perspective of its first level, it’s pretty solid but we don’t really need [[luminarch aspirant]] effects

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/285/branching-evolution

Branching Evolution <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, twice that many +1/+1 counters are put on that creature instead.
As Aclazotz's undead forces approached the temple of Ojer Kaslem, they met a roaring wall of vibrant, flourishing life.

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/205/luminarch-aspirant

Luminarch Aspirant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
"Rally to my light, and together we will drive out this darkness!"
1/1

[sand island]

[tribal temple]

Totally makes sense in your list! I see it in a lot of list that have a lot less goading and stealing effects which I always found odd.

I have also strongly been considering will breaker in my deck(I used to be a [[Hinata]] main) but I feel like for your general Bumbleflower deck, Willbreaker is too much of a liability.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/222/hinata-dawn-crowned

Hinata, Dawn-Crowned <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Kirin Spirit
Flying, trample
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each target.
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast for each target.
Hope races on sunlit hooves.
4/4

[solemn hamlet]

Yeah, you need to ensure you've got backup interaction after starting to grab creatures with it, so it's pretty mana intensive. Preferably I would only drop it once a couple players are eliminated

[torn shard]

So I just got a hardened scales and branching evolution, my goals is to just add stuff like champion of lambholt and other 1/1 counter support while using the group hug effects to essentially not become an instant threat

[glossy fox]

hinata is dependent on table size

very much

[sand island]

Will a 6x4 foot table work?

[tribal temple]

How so? I played her for over a year

[glossy fox]

nevermind, i thought that was the undaunted giving creature

[tribal temple]

ahh

[glossy fox]

where undaunted reduces cost by 1 for each opponent

[tribal temple]

The reason I finally took apart [[hinata]] was because she is KOS and the deck doesn't function well without her and I dont enjoy decks that have so much power in their commander

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/222/hinata-dawn-crowned

Hinata, Dawn-Crowned <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Kirin Spirit
Flying, trample
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each target.
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast for each target.
Hope races on sunlit hooves.
4/4

[torn shard]

what do you guys think of [[Octomancer]]? i'm thinking of cutting it

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/37/octomancer

Octomancer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Frog Druid
Gift an Octopus (You may promise an opponent a gift as you cast this spell. If you do, when it enters, they create an 8/8 blue Octopus creature token.)
At the beginning of each end step, create a token that's a copy of target creature token that entered the battlefield this turn.
3/3

[twin jungle]

I cut it pretty much right away- my deck is way lower on curve so I can double spell each turn to draw cards until I can get a win
It was too expensive for what it was doing

[torn shard]

fair, what was your goal?

or rather how did you go about it? idk the best way to ask

[twin jungle]

I just run a ton of cheap spells so I can cast two spells exactly on each of my turns to draw the cards without giving too much to my opponents
I run [[leyline of anticipation]] to potentially let me do that on others turns too but that's a bonus and not really required

Then I hit people in the face with a giant bunny :-)
I did also pull off an [[approach of the second sun]] win the other day

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/726/leyline-of-anticipation

Leyline of Anticipation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
If Leyline of Anticipation is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
You may cast spells as though they had flash.

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/4/approach-of-the-second-sun

Approach of the Second Sun <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
If this spell was cast from your hand and you've cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. Otherwise, put Approach of the Second Sun into its owner's library seventh from the top and you gain 7 life.

[torn shard]

oh nice

[twin jungle]

still editing it a good amount https://www.moxfield.com/decks/w8Jn_gocqE2_ehRHu-x6zQ

[torn shard]

im going to keep the current win cons, except triskaidekaphile

twenty toed toad is goofy enough for me to like

[twin jungle]

twenty toed toad is super goofy I just didn't think I'd ever be able to pull it off lol

[torn shard]

thats fair

so far I have Martial Impetus, Octomancer, Coveted Jewel, Realm-Cloaked Giant, and Triskaidekaphile to cut

i want to group hug but jewel is just a reason to attack me

[twin jungle]

I put it in my [[volo, itinerant scholar]] [[folk hero]] deck though, easier to hit the threshold in that one

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/103/volo-itinerant-scholar

Volo, Itinerant Scholar <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
When Volo enters, create Volo's Journal, a legendary colorless artifact token with hexproof and "Whenever you cast a creature spell, note one of its creature types that hasn't been noted for this artifact."
, : Draw a card for each creature type noted for target permanent you control named Volo's Journal.
Choose a Background
2/3

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/650/folk-hero

Folk Hero <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever you cast a spell that shares a creature type with this creature, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn."
Tales of your great deeds follow you no matter how far you travel from your hometown.

[torn shard]

fair

[twin jungle]

yeah I also don't like giving my opponents mana that much, if I'm giving you the spells I don't also want to make it easier for you to cast them

[torn shard]

i plan on adding [[Champion of Lambholt]] as another dumb card

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/293/champion-of-lambholt

Champion of Lambholt <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Warrior
Creatures with power less than Champion of Lambholt's power can't block creatures you control.
Whenever another creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on Champion of Lambholt.
1/1

[twin jungle]

I have it in my list though admittedly it's just a pet card, my counters almost always go to bumbleflower rather than a go-wide strat

[torn shard]

thats fair

idk how well my method will work, but we'll see

im debating on Illusionist's Gambit

[twin jungle]

I've gotten good use out of it

redirecting a lethal swing is especially good

[torn shard]

That’s what I was thinking. I already have a lot of interaction cards but most is removal, not protection

[sand island]

Honestly, twenty toed toad is really easy to win with

Especially if you have boots

That's why i removed it and approach from my deck tbh, a little too easy to win with

My only alt wincons now are lab man and jace

[sand island]

It's very easy to cut. It's expensive and you have no ways to generate tokens really. It does have some really cool interaction with [[faerie artisans]] if you wanted to add that, but I decided to just do that in a different deck.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/92/faerie-artisans

Faerie Artisans <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Faerie Artificer
Flying
Whenever a nontoken creature an opponent controls enters, create a token that's a copy of that creature except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. Then exile all other tokens created with Faerie Artisans.
2/2

[solemn hamlet]

Not really dumb, it's a great beater!

[solemn hamlet]

You can run a package of Faerie Artisans, See Double, Octomancer, Bramble Sovereign, and Fractured Identity if ya want. Otherwise cuttable, but there are some incredible shenanigans you can do with Octomancer if you slot in other stuff with it

[sand island]

I'm making a volo deck with it instead

Just need to cut down to 100 cards, then I'll order them

[formal ruin]

[pastel agate]

Gamers we’re back

[solemn hamlet]

We are so back

[sand island]

Welcome bumblers

[tribal temple]

We are back!

[crystal quest]

🎉🎉

[tribal temple]

https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower

Here is the deck Ive settled on since the server went offline. [[View from Above]] is easily one of the best cards in the deck. If you arent running it, you should give it a try.

I also under estimated how good stuff like [[hardened scales]] is and should have been running it sooner.

The biggest change I did since last update was lower the mana curve. There are a lot of good 4+ mana cards but they kind of gum up the deck so you have to pick and choose. As I get better at the deck I can probably add back in 1-2 but right now the avg MV seems pretty good

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/con/38/view-from-above

View from Above <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Target creature gains flying until end of turn. If you control a white permanent, return View from Above to its owner's hand.
"This air feels so heavy and thick. There are no winds to speak of. I fear the knowledge that comes from a place like this."

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/243/hardened-scales

Hardened Scales <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
"Naga shed their scales. We wear ours with pride." —Golran, dragonscale captain

[sand island]

Ooh view from above is neat

[tribal temple]

I used to have [[Nadu]] in its spot and replaced it during the banning with View from above and its become one of the feared cards in my deck my pod said. Gets me so much value

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/193/nadu-winged-wisdom

Nadu, Winged Wisdom <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Creatures you control have "Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand. This ability triggers only twice each turn."
3/4

[solemn hamlet]

I have not seen this. Awesome!

[pastel agate]

View is good if your deck is more go-diagonal (lots of medium sized creatures, as opposed to lots of little or one big guy)

[tribal temple]

@pastel agate did you get a chance to look at my list? Im curious if you would categorize mine as go-diagonal I think mine is more midrange, which I would say is go-diagonal

[pastel agate]

I’ll have to take a look! It won’t be for a couple hours though, gonna go grind at the gym and then I can

[sand island]

View can work for opponent's creatures too

If you have something like a goad package in

Give an attacking creature flying and double strike from [[duelist's]] something or another

[brave folio]

Multiple cards match “duelist's”, can you be more specific?

[sand island]

[[duelist's heritage]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/60/duelists-heritage

Duelist's Heritage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever one or more creatures attack, you may have target attacking creature gain double strike until end of turn.
The best techniques outlive their creators.

[pastel agate]

I’m torn between some kind of political version of bumbleflower and +1/+1 counters builds. Kinda tempted to blow up my high power version and start over

[cursive egret]

Mine lives in a strange spot because I have Kenrith as my politics deck and Hamza as +1 counters so my Bumbleflower is kind of neither but both a bit. Naughty but not optimised

[tribal temple]

IMO the political version only works a few times and then the pod catches on

The +1/+1 has more staying power

[pastel agate]

True

[tribal temple]

I could also just be bad a politics(I am). I struggle to ever give cards to the combo/permission player and I dont think thats the right move.

Its hard to give cards to a deck thats filled with interaction though when you know the big stompy deck wont have the same amount of cards to counter/kill your stuff

[solemn hamlet]

In a regular pod it can be tough but still workable. In randoms it works wonders. In a playgroup, you have to condition people into believing attacking you often leads to a) less resources sent to them or b) relentless retaliation that can possibly just wipe them out. It's fun, but requires a lot of thinking and really really good political skills.

[solemn hamlet]

And you're right, it's not. I make sure to never feed the combo player cards

If you have three combo players at the table though, maybe just don't cast ms. b 🤣

[tribal temple]

It may be worth it though to give them some cards early to help with the extra resources you are giving to the other players

But later in the game you don’t want to give them really anything

[sand island]

I've got a mill em out subtheme that I hope will work one day

[torn shard]

What do you guys think of wedding ring as an addition for fun?

[sand island]

I run it, and it is fun

[glossy fox]

has anyone went the storm route? like sure you only get 2 card raw triggers but im thinking about the counters

like cast a bunch of cheap spells to buff up one creature in particular then swing out

[pastel agate]

That’s basically what my high power version is, but without Nadu we got kneecapped pretty hard

[glossy fox]

there gotta be replacements

[tribal temple]

Its one of my favorite cards and I try it in most decks but I cut it form BumbleFlower. It always just sat in my hand and I never found good use for it

[tribal temple]

[[Danny Plink]] is a good replacement but he doesnt help with the ramp

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/39/danny-pink

Danny Pink <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Advisor
Mentor (Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature with lesser power.)
Creatures you control have "Whenever one or more counters are put on this creature for the first time each turn, draw a card."
"I don't want to see more things. I want to see the things in front of me more clearly."
4/3

[torn shard]

messaging so it appears on my list more easily

when I get my decklist added to moxfield, i'm going to post it

[sand island]

Pog

[torn shard]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/qA5C8Kh-k0KJV8aUe9BDQw How does this look so far?

[sand island]

Isn't that just the precon?

[torn shard]

No, there’s been changes. Not much

Mainly swapping out stuff like perch protection for teferis protection, adding hardened scales and Branching Evolution

[sand island]

I would've removed other things first, but also that's a good, lower mana cost option

[torn shard]

Fair

I’ve never built group hug so idk of better options all that thoroughly yet

[sand island]

I wouldn't consider my version of bumbleflower group hug (at least not my version)

[untold oxide]

I have blown up my bumbleflower and its currently sat in 3 separate piles with loads of potential cards I wanna play

I will reassemble it this weekend i think and decide what route im taking

[tribal temple]

I would say bumbleflower doesn't actually want to be group hug. Its a bit of a misdirection. Outside of her giving out cards you dont really run many other "hug" cards.

I went the +1/+1 counter route for value and try and just kill you in combat https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower

[sand island]

^^

[river nimbus]

it's designed to throw hands

thats just how it is

[sturdy tiger]

I was having a little too much fun with the Xyris player tonight

[sand island]

That's a lot of counters

[pastel agate]

Alright boys and girls it’s time

I want to turn Bumbleflower from the control monster it’s become into a more “friendly” bant aggro/control deck focusing on +1/+1 counters

Honestly, I figure I come into this with a clean slate

By that I mean an entirely new decklist

Issue I’m going to have, I think, is making sure I have enough draw to outpace the low to the ground avg mv I’ll have

https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w

Here’s where I’m starting, I hope it’s relatively clear the direction I’m wanting to go

[sand island]

[[reluctant role model]] seems good there

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/26/reluctant-role-model

Reluctant Role Model <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Survivor
Survival — At the beginning of your second main phase, if Reluctant Role Model is tapped, put a flying, lifelink, or +1/+1 counter on it.
Whenever Reluctant Role Model or another creature you control dies, if it had counters on it, put those counters on up to one target creature.
2/2

[pastel agate]

See I considered him but it just seems.. fine?

I guess I’m thinking of it wrong since he’s basically an ozolith that generates his own counters

[sand island]

Yeah, I figure I'd just read his ozolith line, and think of the rest as a bonus

Having a big lifelinker seems good too

[pastel agate]

I put heavy value into lifelink

It’s like double strike but by pushing AND pulling rather than pushing twice as hard

It’s why I run [[shadowspear]] in far too many decks

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/236/shadowspear

Shadowspear <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and lifelink.
: Permanents your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Equip
A weapon of darkness for a warrior of light.

[sand island]

Incidental life gain is huge, yeah

Personally not a huge fan of 1 mana manadorks either, but they can be counters targets I guess

You have enough 3 mana creatures to justify it I guess

[pastel agate]

Yeah, I needed more ramp at the 1-2 range and figured I might as well do it with something that can hold counters

[sand island]

Magic tonight

[untold oxide]

That arcane signet with the lands is sending me over the edge

[sand island]

Same. It bugs me to no end. How am I supposed to know what's nonland and what's land if they are in the same pile?

[torn shard]

Easy, blow up everything

[tribal temple]

I run my deck as main a +1/+1 deck. heres the list

You have too much group hug in your list for my liking. [[Communal Brewing]] and [[Firemane Commande]]

I would cut. I would also replace the 1 mana mana dorks with lands. 34 is pretty low imo.

I would also replace Ezuri's Predation with [[Wave goodbye]] and Windos of Abandon with [[Austere Command]]

I also am not a fan of [[Ozolith, the Shattered spire]] or [[Hunter's Talent]]

Lastley I dont think youll be creating enough counters to make Twenty-Toed Toad worth it. This style of deck will almost always win through combat and all the Toad does is paint a giant target on your back and that goes against what bumbleflower wants

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/29/communal-brewing

Communal Brewing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When Communal Brewing enters, any number of target opponents each draw a card. Put an ingredient counter on Communal Brewing, then put an ingredient counter on it for each card drawn this way.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, that creature enters with X additional +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the number of ingredient counters on Communal Brewing.

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/73/firemane-commando

Firemane Commando <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel Soldier
Flying
Whenever you attack with two or more creatures, draw a card.
Whenever another player attacks with two or more creatures, they draw a card if none of those creatures attacked you.
4/3

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/79/wave-goodbye

Wave Goodbye <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Return each creature without a +1/+1 counter on it to its owner's hand.
Whatever the tide brings in, the shapers can wash away.

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/56/austere-command

Austere Command <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Choose two —
• Destroy all artifacts.
• Destroy all enchantments.
• Destroy all creatures with mana value 3 or less.
• Destroy all creatures with mana value 4 or greater.

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/198/ozolith-the-shattered-spire

Ozolith, the Shattered Spire <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Artifact
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on an artifact or creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on it instead.
, : Put a +1/+1 counter on target artifact or creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/179/hunters-talent

Hunter's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When Hunter's Talent enters, target creature you control deals damage equal to its power to target creature you don't control.
: Level 2
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature gets +1/+0 and gains trample until end of turn.
: Level 3
At the beginning of your end step, if you control a creature with power 4 or greater, draw a card.

[sand island]

Twenty toed toad is too easy to win with imo. At least the 20 card hand condition

20 counters is much more difficult I expect

[tribal temple]

at least in my play groups, if you play something like 20 toed toad, you are public enemy number one. So Its not worth the rare cases where you can sneak the win in.

[sand island]

Yeah, true

Which is why winning with cards is better, since you just draw a ton, then play it with haste to win

[pastel agate]

Yeah, “you win” effects get a lot of hate

[sand island]

It is fun to win from that point though

With something like approach of the second sun, where everyone knows they have a timer

I cut every alt win from my deck except for jace and labman though, since those feel much more satisfying

[pastel agate]

Approach is very different from twenty toed imo

[sand island]

Yeah, twenty toed toad is less telegraphed

At least with the 20 card mode

I'm sure there are ways to win with approach in a single turn, but they seem mana intensive

Actually though, [[possibility storm]] spinning into it seems like a cool combo

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/34/possibility-storm

Possibility Storm <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell from their hand, that player exiles it, then exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a card that shares a card type with it. That player may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then they put all cards exiled with Possibility Storm on the bottom of their library in a random order.

[pastel agate]

Group hug gamers rise up

[river nimbus]

Ive had a lot of success with mostly playing on my own turn

it wins a lot of games

im not sure if i feel like flash options are it

[sand island]

My friend with a Nekusar deck is jumping for joy right now.

idk, I really like flash

I'm sure it's fine without them, but I really like being able to play 2 cards a turn no matter what

And doing stuff like boardwipes at instant speed

[tribal temple]

I echo @river nimbus . Origninally I was going to go the JLK route and play on everyone elses turn to maximise card draw but its much better to play on my turn I think

[sand island]

You mean you echo Prism

[tribal temple]

you are correct XD, you both have red names and threw me off

[river nimbus]

Also feel like it’s less intimidating to opponents

My experience has largely been people finding what I do quite innocent until it’s way too late

But some of the tools that can be pulled out are really very sinister

I’ve made a habit of telling my opponents about Sage of Hours

But I’ve still won with it anyway

It’s usually that or commander damage

[solemn hamlet]

Hello Bumbleflowers

[solemn hamlet]

Oh

😁

[pastel agate]

WHADDUP FELLOW BUMBLER

ALSO

Very cool thing

I went to Shivam and Wheeler Love Magic Live at MagicCon

And they did an “episode” over BLC!!

One of the designers was there and they worked on our lady!

They were saying how they loved group hug that was also holding a knife and that they designed her as basically giving all your spells “gift a card”, which kinda makes sense now

[sand island]

Too bad they didn't actually give her gift a card, but that seems more like an optional thing.

Jolly Gerbils would've been decent if that were the case

Also, I got [[freestrider lookout]] last night for the first time, and boy is it insane

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

[pastel agate]

It also had a lot of rules issues

[sand island]

Yeah I'm sure

[pastel agate]

I wish it had it though somehow, because then that 2 drop that draws a card when you give a gift would be FIRE

[sand island]

Yeah, [[jolly gerbils]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/19/jolly-gerbils

Jolly Gerbils <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Hamster Citizen
Whenever you give a gift, draw a card.
"With all the chaos going around, we thought it might be the perfect time to take a break and have a nice picnic. Would you like to join us?"
2/3

[solemn hamlet]

That's awesome omg. Sounds like a great time!

[tribal temple]

https://x.com/DarkphoenixTcg/status/1851406058943578379

DarkphoenixTCG (@DarkphoenixTcg) on X

@golgariguy @Ravnican_Artist This is the face of the one true stax villian of my local.

A face of pure evil

Twitter · Oct 29, 2024, 11:29 PM

This is in reponse to @golgariguy asking who feels like the true villian flavorwise to play against 😂

[cursive egret]

It is absolutely off the wall

[sand island]

Had both it and on the trail

Oooh boy

[sand island]

Bumping this

[pastel agate]

https://tenor.com/view/webump-machiyanft-bump-morning-bm-sei-network-gif-7447552942596199123

What’s up home slice

Oh! I had a game with bumbleflower the other day. I landed that selesnya hardened scales dude (can’t remember the name for some reason) and made it a 20/20 before killing everyone t5

It was a damn good starting hand too.

Curved out well

[river nimbus]

hows everyone done with [[pollywog prodigy]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/15/pollywog-prodigy

Pollywog Prodigy <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Frog Wizard
Evolve (Whenever a creature you control enters, if that creature has greater power or toughness than this creature, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell with mana value less than Pollywog Prodigy's power, draw a card.
1/3

[pastel agate]

Beautiful for probably 99% of possible bumbleflower themes

[glossy fox]

ive never got it to survive long enouph

either that or i dont draw it

[glossy fox]

one of my friends brother runs [[broken wings]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/214/broken-wings

Broken Wings <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Destroy target artifact, enchantment, or creature with flying.
"Serra guides our shots true. Also, I just tuned the cannons." —Tiana

[glossy fox]

because bumble triggers giving a opponents creature flying

[sand island]

[[conclave mentor]] ?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/320/conclave-mentor

Conclave Mentor <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Centaur Cleric
If one or more +1/+1 counters would be put on a creature you control, that many plus one +1/+1 counters are put on that creature instead.
When Conclave Mentor dies, you gain life equal to its power.
"I have faith in your potential."
2/2

[pastel agate]

Yeah that dude

[sand island]

There are so many good bumbleflower cards

grr

I need to organize my sideboard better so I can swap out packages

[pastel agate]

That’s honestly the best way to do bumbleflower

Sooooo many cool ways to do builds for her

Hell, she also makes for a great goodstuff commander!

She provides a way to end the game and a way to draw cards, that in and of itself is extremely flexible

[torn shard]

I almost picked up the new scrawling dude who says when an opponent draws they lose life

[cursive egret]

Hooo, I cleaned up yday vs Goreclaw whom I plied with lovely counters on his commander, Pantlaza whom I tickled with card draw and Ring&Seri whom I kept under the cosh of having already been hit once by my 9 power commander so he better watch his ass. Just 3 big flying fatties did the job in the end, Bumbleflower for 21, Bae'zel and Kutzil - great suite of creatures

[pastel agate]

Gamers ms bumbleflower still goes so hard with the +1/+1 counters build

Also nexus of fate is too good and I need to replace it soon lol

[sand island]

[[nexus of fate]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/plst/M19-306/nexus-of-fate

Nexus of Fate <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Take an extra turn after this one.
If Nexus of Fate would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, reveal Nexus of Fate and shuffle it into its owner's library instead.
Sarkhan wandered into a tomb and back in time.

[sand island]

Extra turn spells

[pastel agate]

Yeahhhh, but that specific one was vital to loop in my high power version

[sand island]

Disgusting. I'm disappointed.

[pastel agate]

Hah, well fortunately it’s not that way anymore

[formal ruin]

today I made someone die to their own draw spell by removing their creature that locked away a shedlred, in which the entire table engaged in helping get stuff back from the card and bonus points is I use 3 spells to do it and finally get through, was very pog

[pastel agate]

That’s so sick

I was thinking about a draw-out build of some kind.

Like infinitely cast something so you can draw everyone out wuth bumble

Or just, like some storm list with a bsz finisher

[sand island]

I want to eventually cast [[forced fruition]] with [[fractured identity]] sometime, to draw everyone out

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lrw/66/forced-fruition

Forced Fruition <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player draws seven cards.
"Petals within petals within petals, tadpole. The truth lurks below an opulence of illusion." —Neerdiv, fallowsage

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/37/fractured-identity

Fractured Identity <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile target nonland permanent. Each player other than its controller creates a token that's a copy of it.
Self-reflection is not without its perils.

[formal ruin]

any of the new marvel cards go in deck?

like [[black panther]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/1747/black-panther-wakandan-king

Black Panther, Wakandan King <:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Noble Hero
First strike
Survey the Realm — Whenever Black Panther or another creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target land you control.
Mine Vibranium — : Move all +1/+1 counters from target land you control onto target creature. If one or more +1/+1 counters are moved this way, you gain that much life and draw a card.
2/2

[formal ruin]

extra lifegain and a first striker?

[sand island]

I think Black Panther is too much of a build around to go in the 99

[formal ruin]

doesnt ms b want extra ways to randomly draw cards, play a lot of creatures and care about +1 counters anyway?

for two mana its really easy to double spell

its not really a build around, more of a play piece

[sand island]

Seems like there are better ways to spend 3 mana to draw a card imo

[pastel agate]

Yeah she doesn’t care to do what black panther does

[pastel agate]

Gamers this weekend was a Bumbleflower weekend

And hoo boy did it perform

Shabraz remains the GOAT

It singlehandedly killed a player

I replaced Nexus of Fate with [[sakashima thousand]] so we’ll see how the double bumble plan goes

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/89/sakashima-of-a-thousand-faces

Sakashima of a Thousand Faces <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
You may have Sakashima of a Thousand Faces enter as a copy of another creature you control, except it has Sakashima of a Thousand Faces's other abilities.
The "legend rule" doesn't apply to permanents you control.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
3/1

[sand island]

Ooh that's interesting

[pastel agate]

It’s double the draw which is dangerous but would make us go card positive when the second ability resolves

It honestly might be too much draw but we’ll see. I’m also heavily contemplating adding in [[thought vessel]] because graveyard recursion isn’t mych our thing

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/256/thought-vessel

Thought Vessel <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
You have no maximum hand size.
: Add .
Infinite possibilities contained in a finite space.

[pastel agate]

[[ms bunbleflower]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/103/ms-bumbleflower

Ms. Bumbleflower <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Citizen
Vigilance
Whenever you cast a spell, target opponent draws a card. Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. It gains flying until end of turn. If this is the second time this ability has resolved this turn, you draw two cards.
1/5

[pastel agate]

I was gonna say [[roaming throne]] but there are no extra rabbits or citizens I don’t think

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/258/roaming-throne

Roaming Throne <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Golem
Ward
As Roaming Throne enters, choose a creature type.
Roaming Throne is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
4/4

[crystal quest]

Unless you wanna do a [[hare apparent]] storm build

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/15/hare-apparent

Hare Apparent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Rabbit Noble
When this creature enters, create a number of 1/1 white Rabbit creature tokens equal to the number of other creatures you control named Hare Apparent.
A deck can have any number of cards named Hare Apparent.
Most families have trees. His has an entire forest.
2/2

[pastel agate]

True haha

[sand island]

I run both thought vessel and [[decanter of endless water]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/309/decanter-of-endless-water

Decanter of Endless Water <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
You have no maximum hand size.
: Add one mana of any color.
"Now, remember: Under no circumstances should you utter the word 'geyser' in the same room as—oh, blast it!" —Bindlehaim, Upper City merchant

[sand island]

Thinking about adding [[vile duplication]] now, since I own it already

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/78/irenicuss-vile-duplication

Irenicus's Vile Duplication <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control, except the token has flying and it isn't legendary.
"You will serve me better in this form." —Jon Irenicus

[pastel agate]

Vile would be good

[sand island]

Actually sounds like a lot of fun. Now what to cut...

[cursive egret]

🫤 I cut Shabraz for new Kiannae, will see if I regret that. I do find I get big flying bodies on the reg anyway

[pastel agate]

That’s a pretty good swap. I value lifegain pretty highly though, and him having flying means I don’t have to do anything but let him sit there and get huge

[sand island]

Yeah lifegain is nice. Also running Kianne instead of other card draw scalers.

[pastel agate]

I wonder if it’s time for good ol’ squid explosion guy

[sand island]

I dropped him for Kianne o7

Chasm Sulker

[glossy fox]

my friend had a 20 power chasm skulker

[sand island]

Yeah, it can get big, but so can many other creatures with the same ability

[glossy fox]

everyone had islands

i mean everyoone exept 2 peoplpe

so the moment it died thats 20 unblockable damage for me'

[sand island]

So half the table?

[sand island]

Bump

[glossy fox]

it was 5 people

And the bumbleflower player was part of the 2 people expected because you can't attack yourself

[wanton pendant]

Ive been building this bumbleflower deck for a bit now, I feel like its in a good spot but im wondering if ive missed any great niche cards like fathom mage (i randomly got it from a vending machine at my LGS and realized how good it is in bumbeflower) https://www.archidekt.com/decks/10245205/op_bumble

[pastel agate]

That’s a lot of cantrips

[wanton pendant]

is it?

im still fairly new to magic i just started around feb this year

[pastel agate]

Oh word

Welcome to it!

[glossy fox]

bumble storm?

[pastel agate]

It looks that way.

[glossy fox]

thats definetly viable

[pastel agate]

100%

[glossy fox]

cast a bunch of spells punch someone for 10

[wanton pendant]

basically, kinda seemed i could go 1/1 beat down or draw my opponents to death and draw seemed more fun

[pastel agate]

and honestly if you’re just trying to hit her second trigger on multiple turns the cantrips are a great way to do it

There are a lot of ways to build bumbleflower

[wanton pendant]

thats what im seeing in this thread lol

[glossy fox]

https://tenor.com/view/machi-bunny-rabbit-punch-face-gif-10128537

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/F-CasGtbQ0uBZmC6JN7e6w

[wanton pendant]

i think its a cool commander

[pastel agate]

Here’s my current +1/+1 counters build

[wanton pendant]

its my second fav deck i have behind Altair

[pastel agate]

https://moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

here’s my old control list

[pastel agate]

We would tend to agree with you

[glossy fox]

zinnia is my favorite bloomburrow precon commander rn, (because i only played zinnia)

the other ones look cool

[pastel agate]

You should try bumbleflower :3

[wanton pendant]

my buddy built the raccoon and its so fucking strong lmfao

[glossy fox]

when i have the funds

[pastel agate]

Yup! Me and a friend have bumbleflower and bello respectively

[glossy fox]

i habe that one too

using it for its parts

[pastel agate]

And they go hard, but my bumbleflower goes a good bit harder 😉

[pastel agate]

Valid

[glossy fox]

might as well complete the set

and get the squerrel one too

eventully

at some point ill have all 4 bloomburrow precons

i got half rn

[pastel agate]

They’re all pretty great!

[wanton pendant]

you can find em really cheap on like marketplace and stuff sometimes

[glossy fox]

the bird is funky

[pastel agate]

Zinnia is truly a weird one

[glossy fox]

i llike the super go wide direction for her

like [[loyal aprentice]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/240/loyal-apprentice

Loyal Apprentice <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Artificer
Haste
Lieutenant — At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you control your commander, create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying. That token gains haste until end of turn.
Those with knowledge are wise to listen to those with imagination.
2/1

[glossy fox]

to get 2 thopters each combat with zinnia

ect

[pastel agate]

I kinda wish she didn’t buff herself

That way she wasn’t a removal magnet

[glossy fox]

I guess

that why you protect em

[sand island]

What does rebound do? [[ojer pakpatiq]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/67/ojer-pakpatiq-deepest-epoch-temple-of-cyclical-time

Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever you cast an instant spell from your hand, it gains rebound. (Exile it as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast it from exile without paying its mana cost.)
When Ojer Pakpatiq dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control with three time counters on it.
4/3

Temple of Cyclical Time
Land
(Transforms from Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch.)
: Add . Remove a time counter from Temple of Cyclical Time.
, : Transform Temple of Cyclical Time. Activate only if it has no time counters on it and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec time. Ojer Pakpatiq gave them the tools to learn its lessons.

[sand island]

Too many damn mechanics that are named once in a set 3 years ago lol

Ah, that's useful

[pastel agate]

Rebound’s been around forever iirc

[sand island]

Fair, like the deck poster I only started earlier this year, so they might as well all be rare mechanics tbh

[sand island]

[[Generous Pup]] is interesting if we went more wide.

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/j25/4/generous-pup

Generous Pup <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Dog
Vigilance
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Generous Pup, put a +1/+1 counter on each other creature you control. This ability triggers only once each turn.
They communicate via the universal language of treats.
2/2

[sand island]

[[urdnan, dromoka warrior]] for double strike bunny perhaps?

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/j25/34/urdnan-dromoka-warrior

Urdnan, Dromoka Warrior <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
When Urdnan, Dromoka Warrior enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature with a +1/+1 counter on it gains first strike until end of turn. If that creature has two or more +1/+1 counters on it, it gains double strike until end of turn instead.
1/1

[glossy fox]

dromoka?

[sand island]

dromoka.

[glossy fox]

hes not a dragon

oh nevermind

thought that was his name

[sand island]

Bump

I haven't played Bumbleflower in a long time. Maybe next time my group gets together I will.

[pastel agate]

This was my board state right before I died

Pretty solid, even if my commander was shutoff for several turns from a [[darksteel mutation]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/21/darksteel-mutation

Darksteel Mutation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature is an Insect artifact creature with base power and toughness 0/1 and has indestructible, and it loses all other abilities, card types, and creature types.
Infinitely powerless.

[sand island]

Damn

How have you been liking Pollywog?

[pastel agate]

Yeah, it’s basically a 2 mana nezahal in bumbleflower

[sand island]

[[nezahal]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/401/nezahal-primal-tide

Nezahal, Primal Tide <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
This spell can't be countered.
You have no maximum hand size.
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, draw a card.
Discard three cards: Exile Nezahal, Primal Tide. Return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
7/7

[glossy fox]

nezehal is great

[sand island]

Each day I just want to play magic

[glossy fox]

same

but i have no one to play with

[sand island]

My friend group gets together once or twice a week

But I need more

How do you play typically?

[glossy fox]

meet up with the same friands every couple weeks

for like 4-5 hours

[sand island]

That's not too bad. Too infrequent to satisfy the itch though I'm sure.

[pastel agate]

I’m lucky to get some games in once a month nowadays

[glossy fox]

not frequent enouph

also side note

i somehow got 3 attack triggers with etali this weekend

in a 6 player game

by some miracle

[fair tangle]

Have you tried spell table

[sand island]

I haven't. 4 player bumbleflower games when

[fair tangle]

Decent games in spelltable

Well…

8/10 games

Are decent

Some webcams are like cctv quality

But you can make it work

Theres a card search function on the thing

[glossy fox]

i wonder how a 4 player bumbleflower game would go

[fair tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/lml-grg-0uey-spiderman-point-meme-gif-17661202257668434141

[cursive egret]

My fluffy war criminal made an appearance last night, went very well. Had an opponent on infect so my [[Evolution Sage]] made short work of the other two players. Sadly didn't have the damage to outpace getting infected myself but heckin fun game

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/240/evolution-sage

Evolution Sage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
"To care for yourself, cultivate the world. To care for the world, cultivate yourself."
3/2

[sturdy tiger]

Just back from a game myself tonight. I decked myself and an opponent out with big [[Sergeant John Benton]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/157/sergeant-john-benton

Sergeant John Benton <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Trample, haste
Share Intelligence — Whenever Sergeant John Benton deals combat damage to a player, you and that player each draw that many cards.
"Anyway, nothing to do with you surprises me anymore, Doctor."
2/4

[pastel agate]

Based as hell

Frankly, drawing too many cards is a win in my book

And you took someone with you so

[sand island]

I run [[laboratory maniac]] and [[jace, wielder of mysteries]] precisely because of this lmao

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/uma/61/laboratory-maniac

Laboratory Maniac <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead.
His mind whirled with grand plans, never thinking of what might happen if he were to succeed.
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/war/54/jace-wielder-of-mysteries

Jace, Wielder of Mysteries <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead.
+1: Target player mills two cards. Draw a card.
−8: Draw seven cards. Then if your library has no cards in it, you win the game.
Loyalty: 4

[sand island]

Also, John Benton is my favorite card in the deck tbh

He's so good

I also really like [[sokrates]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/67/sokrates-athenian-teacher

Sokrates, Athenian Teacher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Defender
Sokrates, Athenian Teacher has hexproof as long as it's untapped.
Sokratic Dialogue — : Until end of turn, target creature gains "If this creature would deal combat damage to a player, prevent that damage. This creature's controller and that player each draw half that many cards, rounded down."
0/4

[sand island]

Drawing cards is just so much fun

[tribal temple]

Did some swaps to my bumble deck today. Curious what the group thinks of the swaps.

Mystic Remora -> DarkSteel Mutation
Torrential Gearhulk -> Zimone, Paradox Sculptor
Run Away Together -> Amphibian Downpour
Nils, Discipline Enforcer -> Guardian of Faith

Heres my list for anyone curious https://archidekt.com/decks/9101618/ms_bumbleflower

[pastel agate]

Removing remora is a necessary good for the world

[[paradox sculptor]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/126/zimone-paradox-sculptor

Zimone, Paradox Sculptor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to two target creatures you control.
, : Double the number of each kind of counter on up to two target creatures and/or artifacts you control.
"Extraplanar geometry isn't so hard once you get used to thinking in twelve dimensions."
1/4

[pastel agate]

Eh, I considered it

Like a double [[luminarch aspirant]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/205/luminarch-aspirant

Luminarch Aspirant <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
"Rally to my light, and together we will drive out this darkness!"
1/1

[tribal temple]

Zimone also lets you surprise lethal because you can activate her during damage step

[pastel agate]

Ohhh

True

[tribal temple]

plus shes a fall back if I dont want to cast Ms. bumble so I have another engine to give my creatures +1/+1 for value since a lot of them trigger from the counters

[pastel agate]

Yknow what

Me like

[sand island]

This

Zimone is interesting

[[guarding of faith]]

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/18/guardian-of-faith

Guardian of Faith <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Spirit Knight
Flash
Vigilance
When Guardian of Faith enters, any number of other target creatures you control phase out. (Treat them and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until their controller's next turn.)
3/2

[sand island]

Guardian of faith is cool too

I haven't seen Nils do much for me yet

[pastel agate]

Nils I’m not a fan of

Would rather run propaganda than do all that work

[tribal temple]

yeah that was what I started to think for Nils. Seemed decent at first but when you are playing you just never wanna play him

Im surprised more people arent running Guarding of Faith given that [[Clever Concealment]] is almost $20

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/plst/ONC-5/clever-concealment

Clever Concealment <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Any number of target nonland permanents you control phase out. (Treat them and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until your next turn.)

[pastel agate]

Clever concealment is “free”

[tribal temple]

Imo people over estimate the discount. It can be free, but that requires you holding up creatures.

it is better, but for $20 vs $5 more poeple should consider Guardian of faith

[sand island]

I run propaganda, ghostly prison, and nils lmao

Maybe I'll add [[collective restraint]] too

[brave folio]

https://scryfall.com/card/inv/49/collective-restraint

Collective Restraint <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Domain — Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each creature they control that's attacking you, where X is the number of basic land types among lands you control.

[tribal temple]

you really dont want to get attacked 😂

With +20 creatures in my many of them buffed, I dont need to play so much defense in my experience

plus my group still falls for the "Ill only give people cards who dont overly wrong me"

[sand island]

Anything to make it less convenient to attack me