#The Pumpkin Plunderer!

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deep vessel
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hi im pell

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in MH3 an upgrade exists for this deck

weary cypress
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Hey pell hows it going

deep vessel
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[[Brainsurge]]

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weary cypress
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ooh nice

deep vessel
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over Compulsive Research

weary cypress
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gotcha fixed it

deep vessel
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also, are we purposefully not running all the Changelings that are good?

weary cypress
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no

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morphon is expensive

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no im not doing that on purpose

deep vessel
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ok

weary cypress
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Mind suggesting a few

deep vessel
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workin on it

weary cypress
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gotcha

deep vessel
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[[Chameleon Colossus]] is a personal favorite

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weary cypress
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ok which do i replace then

deep vessel
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[[Taurean Mauler]] is one that is incredibly good in EH

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deep vessel
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gimme a sec zoom_eyes im suggestin

weary cypress
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sorry gotcha

deep vessel
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[[Realmwalker]], another great one

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deep vessel
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[[Masked Vandal]]

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weary cypress
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ok added that one is good

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not masked though

deep vessel
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reaper king only cares about etb right

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not cast?

weary cypress
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yhea

deep vessel
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[[Irregular Cohort]] is probably better than Chameleon Colossus

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weary cypress
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ok gotcha fixed it

deep vessel
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also you're running Jhoira, so [[Universal Automaton]]

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weary cypress
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why him

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he is just a 1/1

deep vessel
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artifact creature for jhoira and any other artifact synergy you have

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jhoira cares about historic

weary cypress
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eh fair

deep vessel
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if you dont want him dont run em

weary cypress
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what should i get rid of then

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i got 2 cards to get rid of

deep vessel
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i got 1 more suggestion and then i'll go through things with you

weary cypress
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sure

deep vessel
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[[Unsettled Mariner]]

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deep vessel
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this card rules

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this card is so good that it was played in both modern humans AND modern merfolk, making merfolk splash a color they didnt want or need

weary cypress
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ok added

deep vessel
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okay

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last thing i would consider is Black Market Connections if you don't have a budget

weary cypress
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[[Black Market Connections]]

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Enchantment
At the beginning of your precombat main phase, choose one or more โ€”
โ€ข Sell Contraband โ€” Create a Treasure token. You lose 1 life.
โ€ข Buy Information โ€” Draw a card. You lose 2 life.
โ€ข Hire a Mercenary โ€” Create a 3/2 colorless Shapeshifter creature token with changeling. You lose 3 life. (It has every creature type.)

deep vessel
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it's just a good card, it's extra mana, it's card draw, AND for your deck it is extra good because it makes you scarecrows

weary cypress
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yhea im fine i got a budget

deep vessel
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fair enough

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okay

weary cypress
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thats expensive

deep vessel
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yes it is, that's why i prefaced it KEKW

weary cypress
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Fair

deep vessel
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first thing i'd remove is Jousting Dummy

weary cypress
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why

deep vessel
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it's one of the worst 3 scarecrows you have

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and you just put 3 scarecrows in your deck

weary cypress
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Ok gotcha

deep vessel
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next one i'd drop is Tatterkite

weary cypress
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ok gotcha

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i see why

deep vessel
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and then i gotta find it but you have a scarecrow that cares about green creatures

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but you do not have a singular green creature in the deck

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other than the commander

weary cypress
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yhea

deep vessel
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Hoof Skullkin

weary cypress
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removed it

deep vessel
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there you go

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those were the easy cuts

weary cypress
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are you sure this is a good deck now?

deep vessel
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it's definitely more powerful than it was, good is kind of subjective

weary cypress
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ok gotcha

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to you then

deep vessel
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it really depends on what kinda table you're at

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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you dont want good to me akariteruNOTLIKETHIS my decks are frequently 50x the current price

weary cypress
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Like would this do well in edh

deep vessel
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this would probably do fine into a lower power table or even precons

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i'd seek out games at that level with this

weary cypress
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oh i need a high power deck then

deep vessel
weary cypress
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i want to make a high power deck with reaper king

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i got a 100-120 budget

deep vessel
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i don't know how to do that there is probably someone who does but they aren't me

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it's going to involve trimming a lot of the scarecrows that are less powerful in exchange for more changelings, some lords

weary cypress
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ok gotcha like what cards

deep vessel
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[[Master of the Pearl Trident]]

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deep vessel
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stuff like this

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scarecrows aren't merfolk, but changelings are

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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maskwood nexus is going to be key, as is [[Mirror Entity]]

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deep vessel
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and you'd probably want 1 combo in the deck, good news your archetype includes one

weary cypress
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oh what is the combo

deep vessel
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it's an oldie but a goodie, it's Pili Pala combo

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lemme find the actual combo piece that goes with it

weary cypress
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Ok gotcha

deep vessel
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but basically, there's a creature that lets you tap an artifact creature for manacmanac

weary cypress
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Oh i like that

deep vessel
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and then pili pala uses that 2 to untap itself and generate 1 mana of any color

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and you repeat this, it's infinite mana

weary cypress
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Nice

deep vessel
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you're also going to want a number of tutors but those are frequently expensive, good news though you're in 5 colors and are a creature-heavy deck

weary cypress
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Ok gotcha

deep vessel
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so things like [[Eladamri's Call]] and [[Finale of Devastation]] are really nice for you

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deep vessel
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idk current price of finale

weary cypress
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expensive is what it is

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i added eladamris call though

deep vessel
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well, as a cheaper tutor, there's always [[Gamble]]

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deep vessel
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i think gamble's like $4.50 right now

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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does your playgroup allow gold border cards

weary cypress
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Are they banned?

deep vessel
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if so, [[City of Brass]] is great

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deep vessel
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they're just not legal copies of the card, they were in world championship decks

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but they're the same as the legal card, just with a different card back and gold border

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most groups allow them but i dont know offhand about yours

weary cypress
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oh yhea should be fine

deep vessel
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well, City of Brass is great for 5 color decks

weary cypress
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i see

deep vessel
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the vivid lands can also be upgraded to the painlands, lemme get you a site that will help

weary cypress
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any other high power changelings?

deep vessel
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actually, vivids are probably fine

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yeah

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[[Orvar the Allform]]

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weary cypress
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ok gotcha

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would that go well with my deck

deep vessel
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it's probably fine, but i'd have to test it

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[[Graveshifter]] is also going to be quite helpful

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weary cypress
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ok that one is added

deep vessel
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clones are also pretty useful

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Phantasmal Image, Glasspool Mimic

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Spark Double

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these are mostly for stealing other peoples' threats

hidden crystal
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Hi.

weary cypress
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Hello

deep vessel
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but if you have maskwood nexus and any lord effect, like Master of the Pearl Trident or the illusion lord, you can do a lot with just cloning someone else's commander

hidden crystal
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Yo, a Reaper King deck?

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cool.

deep vessel
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yeah ๐Ÿ™‚

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bendygod wanted help powering this up quite a bit

hidden crystal
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This goober was an absolute menace when my group got into the format back in like 2012.

deep vessel
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this site will help you a lot

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if you scroll down, you'll find Pain Lands

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which are almost all very cheap and also very good for you since most of your creatures cost just generic

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vivids are also absolutely fine here

weary cypress
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Ok i see them

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so like

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everflowing chalace

hidden crystal
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$73?!?!

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I am jealous of this deck's price.

weary cypress
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Why?

deep vessel
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because a lot of decks are not $70

hidden crystal
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My decks just usually cost 4 kidneys to buy.

weary cypress
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Bruh

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fair

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magic is expensive

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Hey alino

hidden crystal
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Yo.

weary cypress
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do you know how to power up this deck

hidden crystal
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what's that one card

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[[Chromatic Lantern]]

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hidden crystal
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This

deep vessel
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that'll help, yeah

hidden crystal
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[[$Chromatic Lantern]]

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Modern Horizons 3 Commander

$1.94 โ€ข โ‚ฌ1.91

Outlaws of Thunder Junction Commander

$2.04 โ€ข โ‚ฌ1.84 โ€ข 0.05 TIX

Ravnica Remastered

$2.56 โ€ข โ‚ฌ1.79 โ€ข 0.02 TIX

Ravnica Remastered

$2.35 โ€ข 0.02 TIX

Ravnica Remastered

$182.25

Ravnica Remastered

$5.06 โ€ข 0.15 TIX

Commander Masters

$2.75 โ€ข โ‚ฌ1.65 โ€ข 0.12 TIX

Commander Masters

$8.70 โ€ข 0.31 TIX

Tales of Middle-earth Commander

$2.96 โ€ข โ‚ฌ2.55 โ€ข 0.45 TIX

Phyrexia: All Will Be One Commander

$2.87 โ€ข โ‚ฌ2.19 โ€ข 0.38 TIX

weary cypress
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ok added it

hidden crystal
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Yeah I'd toss this in, it's pretty budget friendly.

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Will help your mana base A LOT.

deep vessel
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being in 5 colors means manabase stuff is hard

weary cypress
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btw do you know of a card that alows you to tap artifacts for 2 colorless

deep vessel
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it's [[Grand Architect]]

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deep vessel
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you pay 1 blue into him, turn pili pala blue

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and then tap untap repeatedly

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also, [[Careful Cultivation]], although i personally don't like that one as much here

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weary cypress
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ok gotcha

hidden crystal
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[[$Mystic Remora]]

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hidden crystal
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Eh might be a bit pricy.

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Just thinking about strong budget card draw options.

weary cypress
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changelings are everycolor right

hidden crystal
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They're every creature type, not every color.

deep vessel
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^

weary cypress
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ok then it would not go well with pili

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oh

deep vessel
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it has an activated ability that turns pili pala blue

weary cypress
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i see its other ability

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ok i see

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So what else would make this deck good

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for a high power deck

deep vessel
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man high power is hard for this without going $

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because a lot of high power stuff is $$

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getting up to like a medium power is reasonable

weary cypress
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ok then medium

deep vessel
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oh

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then past what we've said, fixing the manabase and adding some interaction would do it

weary cypress
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ok gotcha

deep vessel
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you dont want a lot of interaction because you're supposed to be aggressive but

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you do want good interaction that is versatile

weary cypress
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Yhea

deep vessel
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stuff like [[Get Lost]] or [[Beast Within]]

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deep vessel
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and even stuff like [[Culling Ritual]]

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weary cypress
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culling would be good as a last resort

deep vessel
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it's a good board wipe and will frequently get you enough mana to cast your commander

weary cypress
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yhea

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so how would i fix the mana base

deep vessel
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pain lands, city of brass

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so basically we go down on basic lands and add in stuff that taps for colors we care about

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currently, your deck is overwhelmingly blue, so the blue/x pain lands are a great start

weary cypress
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ok so get rid of 1 of each basic land and replace with pain

deep vessel
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yeah you'd drop basic lands, probably starting with islands

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and I'd keep an extra basic forest

weary cypress
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i removed 1 of each land

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ok\

deep vessel
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actually, you needed a cut for city of brass, too

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so yeah going down to 4 of each is fine

weary cypress
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remove brass?

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ok gotcha

deep vessel
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nonono

weary cypress
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ok adding pain

deep vessel
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yeah, mostly just the blue/x ones

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those are the ones you care about because your deck is mostly colorless but also very heavily blue

weary cypress
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ok gotcha

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i going to add a 2 land is that ok

deep vessel
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?

weary cypress
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one where it enters tapped but gives 2 lands

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mana*

deep vessel
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myriad landscape is probably fine ramp for you yeah

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wait wym gives 2 mana

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are you talkin about [[Saprazzan Skerry]] or something

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weary cypress
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nvm

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i just added myraid it does not matter

deep vessel
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ah

weary cypress
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wait nvm

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yhea it does

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i mean like

deep vessel
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another great land for you: forbidden orchard

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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sure you give someone a 1/1 spirit but it's totally worth it

weary cypress
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im fine with that

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alright is the mana fixed

deep vessel
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without dumping a ton of $ into it i think it's about as good as it's gonna get

weary cypress
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ok gotcha so what do i remove now

deep vessel
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well, let's go through and get rid of creatures that don't do anything for your gameplan

weary cypress
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ok gotcha

hidden crystal
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Wait

weary cypress
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what

hidden crystal
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Two things this deck wants

weary cypress
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what?

hidden crystal
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[[Universal Automaton]]

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hidden crystal
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[[Changeling Outcast]]

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deep vessel
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hi i mentioned him

hidden crystal
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Oop

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Sorry.

deep vessel
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and changeling outcast, similarly, very good

weary cypress
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why though\

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why are they good

hidden crystal
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Reasoning is that, when Reaper King is out, they both blow up a permanent for 1 mana.

deep vessel
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^

weary cypress
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oh

deep vessel
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and permanent includes lands

hidden crystal
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Yeah. Really dirty.

deep vessel
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which means you can keep pace

weary cypress
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ok gotcha

deep vessel
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also with universal, you're running jhoira anyway

weary cypress
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now what do i remove

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i have to remove 10 cards

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For JACK THE.... Artifact King??

deep vessel
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well, let's look at what your worst creatures are

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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scorn effigy
One-eyed Scarecrow
harvest hand

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those are a great place to start

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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harvest hand only gives humans menace on the back side, which you dont run very many of

weary cypress
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but changeling

deep vessel
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thats true

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the other 2 are definitely not where you wanna be, though

hidden crystal
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Scorn effigy. Hmm.

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IDK.

weary cypress
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ok i see thouse

hidden crystal
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I kinda like scorn effigy, is that weird?

deep vessel
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its fine? not what i'd call great

hidden crystal
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Being able to foretell it early game and then 0 mana blow something up as soon as the king is out is cool.

deep vessel
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vanilla isnt something i find that valuable

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even if it's 2 mana

hidden crystal
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Fair.

deep vessel
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that's a good point though, you can foretell it early, and then on the turn you play reaper king cast it for free

weary cypress
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ok removed them

hidden crystal
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I agree with the other two cuts though.

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but idk this is tough.

weary cypress
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i kept the hand

deep vessel
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Slobad can probably go

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I love Slobad but we don't make tokens

weary cypress
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fair

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removed

hidden crystal
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Do we need Maskwood Nexus?

deep vessel
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it's important if we're gonna run lords

hidden crystal
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Hm, fair.

deep vessel
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if we aren't, then no

hidden crystal
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Scarecrows are such an odd tribe to build around.

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It's interesting.

deep vessel
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turning everything into a scarecrow is nice though for reaper king's purposes

weary cypress
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its fun

deep vessel
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scarecrow guide is not very good here

weary cypress
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Am i running lords though?

hidden crystal
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Hm.

deep vessel
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you probably should be running good lords

hidden crystal
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Scarecrow Guide filters which is fineeeee.

weary cypress
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cause i dont understand what you mean by lords

hidden crystal
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but eh, we do need cuts i suppose

hidden crystal
deep vessel
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lords are any creature that gives all creatures of a type a stat buff and/or keywords

weary cypress
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oh ok

hidden crystal
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Like Reaper King could be called a Scarecrow Lord.

weary cypress
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then yhea its good

deep vessel
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comes from [[Lord of Atlantis]] i think

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hidden crystal
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Ye

deep vessel
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they used to just have creature type lord

weary cypress
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oh ok then yhea it is good for this deck

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so 7 cards to remove left

deep vessel
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we dont need a ton of lords, but things that buff stuff we're already running are helpful

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ok

weary cypress
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fair

deep vessel
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chainbreaker?

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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i know im cutting a lot of scarecrows notlikesinclair

weary cypress
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removed

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Its fine

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We got Shapeshifters

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we got dittos

deep vessel
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also with maskwood nexus out you can distant melody name gamer

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which i think is worth running maskwood nexus

weary cypress
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Touch'e

hidden crystal
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It sucks cause the dittos tend to be better than the actual scarecrows.

deep vessel
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yeah

weary cypress
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yhea

hidden crystal
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Also can I just say, I am smeckledorfed that there hasn't been a Scarecrow precon yet.

weary cypress
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But we still got jack

hidden crystal
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Like the fact we got a 5c Eldrazi precon before Scarecrow precon is nuts.

weary cypress
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The fact that eldrazi got one at all is shocking

hidden crystal
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I mean they had a colorless one last year. I'm just dumbfounded that they got a 2nd precon so soon.

weary cypress
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oh i did not know that

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but all thats left is 6 more

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6

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to

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remove

hidden crystal
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Hm

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Looking at your curve.

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Lots of 3 drops so let me look at those.

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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farmstead gleaner is an option, although it is a big/big with Grand Architect in play

hidden crystal
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Maybe Bonder's Ornament? Not sure if you need THAT many 3 drop ramp artifacts.

deep vessel
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its just a second combo piece with grand architect KEKW

weary cypress
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ok so remove farmstead and bonders

deep vessel
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actual answer here: dragon throne of tarkir

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i would keep the gleaner off to the side bendy because you might find that you actually want an infinitely large creature sometimes

weary cypress
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ok gotcha

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5 more left

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so remove dragon?

deep vessel
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yeah, dragon throne can go

hidden crystal
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Dragon Throne of Tarkir on Reaper King is hilarious.

deep vessel
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even though it's VERY funny

hidden crystal
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Imagine Sarkhan leaving for a bit and coming home to see the plane ruled by Scarecrows.

deep vessel
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honestly worth keeping just because it's funny

weary cypress
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ok then it is staying

deep vessel
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we can go down a couple of basic lands

hidden crystal
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It is a way to win in this lower power level. Turning Reaper King sideways to swing out with like a bunch of big scarecrows is funny.

weary cypress
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really?

deep vessel
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-1 swamp, -1 mountain

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yeah

hidden crystal
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I think we can comfortably do 35 lands.

deep vessel
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your curve tops out at 5

weary cypress
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ok

hidden crystal
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Hm

weary cypress
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3 more

deep vessel
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thinkin

hidden crystal
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[[$Glasspool Mimic]]

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deep vessel
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glasspool gaming

hidden crystal
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Ignore me.

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Was just pondering.

weary cypress
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its good

deep vessel
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i mean i suggested it earlier

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card's very good

weary cypress
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this is a cheap deck

hidden crystal
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I like mdfc lands. But yeah, i think it can stay out for now.

weary cypress
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which one?

deep vessel
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glasspool mimic

hidden crystal
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Oh ignore me, was just talking about glasspool

deep vessel
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[[Glasspool Mimic]]

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Creature โ€” Shapeshifter Rogue
You may have Glasspool Mimic enter the battlefield as a copy of a creature you control, except it's a Shapeshifter Rogue in addition to its other types.
"When I touched the Glasspool, I tasted infinite possibility." โ€”Ashen Wal, Akoum Expeditionary House
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Glasspool Shore
Land
Glasspool Shore enters the battlefield tapped.
manat: Add manau.
"Past and possibility come together in the vastness of infinite reflection." โ€”Ashen Wal, Akoum Expeditionary House

weary cypress
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ok

deep vessel
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-1 fang skullkin

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-1 stenn paranoid partisan

weary cypress
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Didint we remove that

deep vessel
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its still on the list on moxfield

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there's a bunch of skullkin so you might be mistaking it for another one

hidden crystal
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idk about stenn.

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I kind of like that it reduces artifact cards.

weary cypress
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are you talking about jawbone?

deep vessel
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no

weary cypress
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ok i see it

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removed

deep vessel
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i like jawbone being around, he makes red dudes have haste, extremely based of him

hidden crystal
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I thought we murdered Harvest Hand.

deep vessel
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we didnt, but we probably should at this point

weary cypress
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Why

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All of them have changeling

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So all of them have menace

deep vessel
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only 1 has menace

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it's only the thing that it's equipped to

weary cypress
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no as its a creature

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oh no im dumb

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yhea removed

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i thought it was board wide

deep vessel
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just -1 more card?

weary cypress
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yhea

deep vessel
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oh yeah no that'd be fantastic

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i would not be cutting cards that gave blanket menace KEKW

weary cypress
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Menace is based

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Now 1 more

deep vessel
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-1 transplant theorist or scarecrow guide

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dealer's choice

weary cypress
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ok done

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removed the theorist

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but thats not just a theory

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and the deck is DONE

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So how does it look now?

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Thank you though for the help

deep vessel
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much better

weary cypress
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Thank you

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do you think i could win?

deep vessel
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for sure, remember to be realistic though

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not gonna win every game but i think this is going to be much more dangerous at the table than before

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personally i'd also consider, in the future, including [[Wicker Picker]] for the sticker kicker

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deep vessel
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but that means getting ahold of a set of sticker sheets

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card is actually just good for you but it means determining what sticker sheets you want