same with Stormscape Familiar.
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chilly void
I think those are it, though.
[[Stormscape Familiar]] might actually be a valuable inclusion.
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Creature — Bird
Flying
White spells and black spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
Each Stormscape apprentice must hand-raise and train an owl before attaining the rank of master.
1/1
chilly void
idk, maybe the raptor is right
@reef estuary what do you think about Marauding Raptor here?
reef estuary
But you are in colors to have mana dorks
chilly void
no i am not
reef estuary
And that’s like 9 dorks right there
chilly void
i am in jeskai the mana dorks suck ass
reef estuary
So? They’re better in satya than a rock is
The familiars are great too
Marauding raptor probably wouldn’t be good because copying it means you basically can’t cast any of your creatures
chilly void
fair, but also copying it means the OG raptor swings in for 4 on curve
and then one of them dies lmao
reef estuary
Yeah… raptor ain’t good here
The familiars I’m mid on because you’ll definitely get into positions where you have stormscape and no white spells
I do like it for sure
reef estuary
You take that back
Ornithopter is sexy as hell
2 generic mana for a bop in every color combo?
Not to mention copying it with satya means it’ll DEFINITELY get through to survive to your next turn
chilly void
I'll give it a shot but I really don't like it here
ooh, wait, maybe a creature that when it ETBs or dies or hits generates a treasure?
@reef estuary https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/4/c/4c6cf93a-d073-48ac-88db-c46bf3e10beb.jpg?1712352787
?
also quite likely to stick around AND has evasion?
similarly, could just put Ragavan in the deck
reef estuary
I do like generous a lot though
reef estuary
he's still a 1 mana mana dork!
Yeah, but at least real mana dorks work past t1
chilly void
yeah i think plunderer is better for this purpose
it's unlikely to get shot, it has evasion
and copying it does not necessarily compound the downside
also, the original never has to attack, which is important
alternatively, both
there's plenty of stuff in my deck that's legendary, although typically they get value from being copied
chilly void
OKAY so here's where the creatures are at
I'm lookin at goin up another dude if i can find something I want
maybe Sakashima's Student or Clever Impostor if I can find a copy.
reef estuary
Clones could be pretty powerful
Is there a clone that gives evasion as it enters?
There’s the three mana one that can’t be blocked, but that doesn’t clone until a turn later
chilly void
Is there a clone that gives evasion as it enters?
Not for copying your own stuff, the only one that exists that enters as is [[Malleable Impostor]]
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reef estuary
Yeah. What was that other one? [[cephalid|SNC]] I think
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reef estuary
One of my favorites tbh
chilly void
hi im pell this is pain and suffering v4
We're 99/100 and I will probably begin just adding things to "considering" as i find them tomorrow
Also, Memory Lapse or something might be getting swapped for a removal spell or something tomorrow, who knows?
quaint sorrel
ooh, wait, maybe a creature that when it ETBs or dies or hits generates a treasu...
Consider [[Patron of the Arts]] for this role
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Creature — Dragon Noble
When Patron of the Arts enters the battlefield or dies, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with "
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"It's okay. My mother owns the museum."
3/1
quaint sorrel
This could generate 3 treasures in one turn with Satya
uneven orchid
[[Charming Scoundrel]]
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uneven orchid
This one is one colorless cheaper and has haste and can also do other things for additional utility.
quaint sorrel
This one is one colorless cheaper and has haste and can also do other things for...
Sure, but it will make 1 less treasure per turn
chilly void
Consider [[Patron of the Arts]] for this role
The point of this slot was actually to ramp out Satya on t3, which Patron cannot do barring a sol ring start.
(which Sol Ring itself can also already do)
Scoundrel is also an option.
quaint sorrel
The point of this slot was actually to ramp out Satya on t3, which Patron cannot...
Out of curiosity, would you consider casting Satya on t3 a priority even if you don’t have a creature to copy? Like, if you have no one drop and play a mana rock on turn 2, is Satya the best thing to cast on t3, or should you wait until you have something to copy?
chilly void
depends on the rest of my hand @quaint sorrel ; if there's a clone in my hand then yes, if not then it depends on board state
quaint sorrel
To clone what? Satya?
chilly void
chilly void
@marble pasture am I a fucking weirdo if I want Chain of Vapor or Void Snare or Alchemist's Retrieval in over Snap? I kinda fucking hate Snap.
if I am gonna hold up mana for a bounce, I'd rather it be easier to hold up that mana and have the flexibility of also being able to bounce my own One Ring if I need to
marble pasture
WHO PINGETH ME 💢
also no, chain is based
chilly void
sorry
marble pasture
i also hate snap
chilly void
im lookin at my current removal suite since V4 is up
and we're running Generous Plunderer and Ragavan now
marble pasture
i'm not actually mad, I just do that to everyone who pingeth
tis tradition
but chain is super based
11/10
chilly void
I am so glad someone else fucking hates Snap
I gave it the old college try
because, you know, try everything once
holy fuck does it just feel terrible
marble pasture
yeah you could get the "free" bounce
or you could pay 1 to bounce potentially anything
chilly void
not only am i holding up TWO MANA but I can't bounce noncreatures with it? what the fuck
at that point why am i not playing Snapback
"oh but you get your mana back!" but that only matters when i'm casting my removal on my own turn, which ideally I shouldn't be doing???
chilly void
it's not free, it has a massive opportunity cost
marble pasture
^
chilly void
and that opportunity is the huge tempo loss
snapback you will generally lose about as much tempo, or you can trade card advantage for it
marble pasture
now if snap could target anything you could maybe make a case for it
but it doesn't
chilly void
yeah if it was any nonland, i'd run it no problem
I'm also thinking about taking out Generous Gift for Council's Judgment
or for Bovine Intervention
marble pasture
Ahh, the anti nadu tech option
chilly void
it's not just that, it's a lot of things, but also i'm worried about being able to convince 2-3 people to agree with me on something
marble pasture
Probably bovine then
chilly void
which is why it might become Bovine
marble pasture
A 2/2 isn’t nothing but it’s much better than whatever you’re wasting
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chilly void
if there was this but it said creature or enchantment i'd run it 1000%
well, i guess there is, but i'm literally already running it
marble pasture
How much blue do you play against on average?
chilly void
it's called Get Lost 
not that much honestly, Pyroblast should probably be something else
I play against a lot of white though, and Smothering Tithe is kind of a problem
marble pasture
Ah, looking at red removal is always fun
Can’t remove enchantments but you can run liquidmetal and remove enchantments that way lol
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marble pasture
Ugh, sorcery tho
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marble pasture
Wild magic surge is very broad, but comes at the possibility of getting something worse
chilly void
yeah, i'm a little worried about WMSing Smothering Tithe into like
Omniscience or something
not a valid concern
but there's a lot of enchants that would literally just end the game and people don't typically run that many
marble pasture
Hmm
chilly void
[[Thraben Charm]] is kinda interesting, but my boards aren't actually very wide, usually.
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chilly void
although i guess you really only ever need 2 creatures to kill most things
I might try it out honestly, I think I pulled half a billion of them.
Another thing I might swap is Pyroblast for [[Tibalt's Trickery]] or something?
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chilly void
very terrifying but red is a better color than blue for me in a lot of situations
marble pasture
Eh, trickery usually ends up fine
chilly void
I think with Thraben Charm, I'll try it out, if I wish it was Generous Gift I'll try out Bovine instead, and if I still think Gift would be better I'll swap back to Gift?
chilly void
and we'll wait til that's done to figure out a replacement for Pyroblast
because it's still not a bad card rn
mighty root
Is the deck mainly red over blue or something
Also, depending on power level, could just get away with good old countespell and mana drain
chilly void
yes
it is primarily RW/u
Counterspell and mana drain are a bit rough, but maybe doable.
mighty root
Ability to cast uu depends on what power level of pods you want the deck to be at
chilly void
I play mostly at higher power level tables
mighty root
The more untapped duals you run the easier it is to.
At higher power, but not cedh, uu counterspells could still be fine to run
chilly void
Aight, so the card shop has everything I need to get to current build EXCEPT Machine God's Effigy, and I don't have the time to go get it elsewhere.
I need something else to go in that slot.
[[$Solitude]]
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chilly void
chilly void
I cannot think of what to replace MGE with
it was kinda weird in that slot anyway
maybe Imposter Mech?
torpid hinge
[[Sculpting steel]]?
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Enchantment
When Dance of Many enters the battlefield, create a token that's a copy of target nontoken creature.
When Dance of Many leaves the battlefield, exile the token.
When the token leaves the battlefield, sacrifice Dance of Many.
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Dance of Many unless you pay 
.
torpid hinge
The nice thing about that one is you can bounce it while the trigger is on the stack and keep the token
[[Clever impersonator]] is also an option
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chilly void
maybe Clever Impersonator, hard to say
torpid hinge
I'm assuming you want it mainly for dockside
chilly void
i dont own one so if i can get one i'll try it, if not i have no idea
it's mostly for dockside but also for copying satya tokens
because satya can't make token clones of tokens
but he can make token clones of clones that are copying tokens
gives me some resiliency against the major weakness of this deck: removing the things i target with Satya.
torpid hinge
[[glasspool mimic]] could also work
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Creature — Shapeshifter Rogue
You may have Glasspool Mimic enter the battlefield as a copy of a creature you control, except it's a Shapeshifter Rogue in addition to its other types.
"When I touched the Glasspool, I tasted infinite possibility." —Ashen Wal, Akoum Expeditionary House
0/0
Glasspool Shore
Land
Glasspool Shore enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
"Past and possibility come together in the vastness of infinite reflection." —Ashen Wal, Akoum Expeditionary House
torpid hinge
Has the benefit of also possibly being a land but you lose the ability to copy a One Ring
chilly void
Glasspool is in the deck 🙂
torpid hinge
Missed that!
chilly void
it is always an early inclusion in blue for me
just too powerful of a card not to run
[[$Clever Impersonator]]
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chilly void
lemme see if the shop's got one
chilly void
aight, yeah, im picking up a Clever Impersonator friday as well, so Satya is done for now!
(until I can order in a copy of MGE)
So, it is time for the next project
or should I say, Froject
torpid hinge
Which of the frogs?
torpid hinge
I'm still working on Flubs
chilly void
Flubs seems fun for a combo-y storm deck but I don't like being hellbent, Song of Creation is really good though
[[Song of Creation]]
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chilly void
I don't think he works outside of a storm/spellslingery combo deck personally but I could be wrong.
torpid hinge
I've linked them all in https://discord.com/channels/675113113934364683/1092498898746085506
But yes, most of them are spellslinger/stormy lists
If I like a commander it's PROBABLY a combo deck.
chilly void
I was much more interested in Glarb -- I am addicted to value
and this guy lets me set up Miracles
torpid hinge
It's going in my Zimone and Dina
chilly void
Entreat the Dead seems like an easy fit for Glarb
with 2 surveils a turn, you are PROBABLY going to have a reanimation target
torpid hinge
There will probably be more after Duskmourn for U and B because of the Aminatou deck
torpid hinge
It's called Miracle Worker
torpid hinge
The subtitle is "see the future, cast miracles"
chilly void
Glarb and Miracles seem like a match made in heaven
surveil 2 every turn is one thing but also just "you can cast spells with MV 4 or greater from the top of your library" ensures that even if I can't Miracle them, I have the option to just hardcast them
torpid hinge
[[mirko|mkc]]?
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chilly void
perhaps, I'm a little worried it might be too slow but honestly it could just be worth it anyway
the deck's gonna be slow regardless
chilly void
hmm, is this a deck where I should care about Delirium/Threshold/grave count?
chilly void
I mean one of the first cards I put in was [[Ethereal Forager]]
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Creature — Elemental Whale
Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for .)
Flying
Whenever Ethereal Forager attacks, you may return an instant or sorcery card exiled with Ethereal Forager to its owner's hand.
3/3
torpid hinge
I think there are some enchantments you want in there
[[case of the shifting visage]]
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torpid hinge
[[enhanced surveillance]]
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torpid hinge
[[sultai ascendancy]]
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torpid hinge
[[titan's nest]]
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Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, surveil 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
Exile a card from your graveyard: Add 
. Spend this mana only to cast a spell that's one or more colors without 
in its mana cost.
chilly void
15 is a lot if I'm Escaping and Delving, but fair
torpid hinge
Yeah, if you're dropping it a lot then that can probably be out
But, enhanced surveillance letting you see 4 is so many
chilly void
I probably don't want most of these although Titan's Nest is tempting
one card I do want though
[[Search for Azcanta]]
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Legendary Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, surveil 1. Then if you have seven or more cards in your graveyard, you may transform Search for Azcanta. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
The Sunken Ruin houses all the learning of a long-forgotten age.
Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Search for Azcanta.)
: Add .
, : Look at the top four cards of your library. You may reveal a noncreature, nonland card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
torpid hinge
Along a similar line, what about [[everflowing well]] as an artifact
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Legendary Artifact
When The Everflowing Well enters the battlefield, mill two cards, then draw two cards.
Descend 8 — At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are eight or more permanent cards in your graveyard, transform The Everflowing Well.
The Myriad Pools
Legendary Artifact Land
(Transforms from The Everflowing Well.)
: Add .
Whenever you cast a permanent spell using mana produced by The Myriad Pools, up to one other target permanent you control becomes a copy of that spell until end of turn.
chilly void
That one seems good as well
oh, and I need [[Sunken Palace]] in my landbase FOR SURE.
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Land — Cave
Sunken Palace enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
, , Exile seven cards from your graveyard: Add . When you spend this mana to cast a spell or activate an ability, copy that spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy. (Mana abilities can't be copied.)
torpid hinge
[[lazotep|m3c]]?
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Land — Desert
: Add .
, Sacrifice a creature: Add one mana of any color.
, , Sacrifice a Desert: Exile target creature card with mana value X from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie. Activate only as a sorcery.
chilly void
unsure on quarry, but maybe, depends on what kinds of creatures i am actually running
i have a feeling i'm gonna be pretty creature-light
chilly void
i should at least add [[Dryad of the Ilysian Grove]] since I'm able to play lands off the top
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chilly void
ooh, maybe this is finally the deck where [[Palantir of Orthanc]] is good?
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chilly void
I probably ALWAYS get a free Preordain every turn
torpid hinge
I made a Karador deck last night and couldn't find my Palantir, I was sad abotu that.
chilly void
yeah, another deck where indeed nobody is ever giving you the dredge
torpid hinge
Oh they probably will though. There are a lot of LARGE cards in the deck
I don't have it up or I'd link it.
chilly void
doesnt karador extra care about the grave tho
torpid hinge
Yep
chilly void
i am grappling with this decision
okay so hear me out, i think for Glarb, if they know Miracles are in the deck, they should pretty much always mill me, right?
but Miracles have such a huge CMC that they're going to take a ton of burn damage if they hit one
so it may be better to just give the draw, but then they're letting me miracle
this is difficult
And I think for something like Karador that's also difficult but less difficult because there's less innate threat in just letting you have the top 2 cards of your deck
reef estuary
ooh, maybe this is finally the deck where [[Palantir of Orthanc]] is good?
Finally? What world are you living in where the card isn’t a strictly better phyrexian arena
chilly void
Finally? What world are you living in where the card isn’t a strictly better phy...
I am living in the world where Phyrexian Arena isn't all that great.
reef estuary
Right, I’m saying that palantir is insanely good
torpid hinge
Strictly better phyrexian arena doesn't actually say how good palantir is
reef estuary
Every Graveyard deck needs it, and every other deck wants it
reef estuary
Strictly better phyrexian arena doesn't actually say how good palantir is
Right, but my statement that is insanely good stands
Cards that “3 mana draw a card each turn” i call phyrexian arenas, like 3 mana draw 2s are divinations
reef estuary
Which is really good
chilly void
my thing is "I like having things on top of my deck as a Miracles deck"
reef estuary
Nobody is gonna let you mill, even if you don’t care about the grave
chilly void
and so if they ever DO mill me, knowing that I am running Miracles, I will get punished
reef estuary
I think I’ve only ever seen palantir mill one time and it only had one counter
torpid hinge
I think I’ve only ever seen palantir mill one time and it only had one counter
I've seen it go up to 4 counters
reef estuary
I also have no idea what to expect from your lgs lol
chilly void
I guess right now I'm only running 3 miracles
people at my LGS have good decks and play badly, for the most part
torpid hinge
I also have no idea what to expect from your lgs lol
The person had no cards in hand and no recursion pieces on the field.
reef estuary
My lgs is higher power on avg, but basically always plays budgetless battlecruiser
chilly void
that's a mean way to say it but they will frequently just go "i'm not paying my taxes" and then play 6 cards into a Rhystic after 2 people before them pay taxes
torpid hinge
My lgs is higher power on avg, but basically always plays budgetless battlecruis...
My LGS is Johnny/Timmy wonderland
chilly void
I think budgetless battlecruiser is a great way to describe a lot of the people locally, which is why I don't play with most people at the LGS if I can avoid it
I've kinda got a core group now that I play with because they consistently produce interesting games
reef estuary
My LGS is Johnny/Timmy wonderland
Sorta same? People love having lots of synergy and playing big timmy decks, but nobody really does infinite combos, just really good aggro, control, or some fusion between
reef estuary
I think budgetless battlecruiser is a great way to describe a lot of the people ...
Well, by “battlecruiser” i basically just mean that nobody does any infinite combos or win-the-game combos unless they’re playing cedh
chilly void
yes
reef estuary
Outside that, it’s free game
chilly void
similar here, except to an extreme, these people don't run interaction
reef estuary
Ah, see that’s where we differ
torpid hinge
We use win the game combos but so few people play blue that it's not thoracle. Crackle with power mana combos? Yes
reef estuary
We got lots of interaction
chilly void
These are mf with literal Gaea's Cradles and not a single Deadly Rollick or anything
torpid hinge
Deadly rollick yes, cradle? No
chilly void
It's so fucking wild to me how frequently I have to be like "hey if you're going to try to win this game it might help to have some interaction, you cannot rely on the blue player to handle every problem"
and as you know i run a lot of interaction, not just for this reason but because I don't wanna be that guy
reef estuary
If your whole lgs is like that then that’s a rough sell
Idk, for me id either do extremely controlling or extremely stompy and fuck then over until they start running interaction
chilly void
It's not everyone, it's just a lot of the people
Also, yeah, I pretty much do that. They also mostly don't care what you play as long as you're not stomping the precon people.
reef estuary
Time for an 85% win rate
chilly void
It's gotten much worse recently with the influx of highschoolers getting into the game because they are young and do not have card game fundementals
I try to teach them as best I can but I'm also trying to play the game, you know?
reef estuary
That’s just an experience thing, yeah
chilly void
God knows I spend more than enough time helping people in this discord, sometimes I want some time to chill
reef estuary
New players see so little value in removal
reef estuary
God knows I spend more than enough time helping people in this discord, sometime...
Yknow, nobody’s forcing you to do that lol
chilly void
I do it because I love the game and it's a way for me to interact with the game and be social when I can't play.
reef estuary
I mean, bonus points for doing so, but I stopped doing it a while ago since I’m pretty burnt out on brewing my own decks let alone others lol
reef estuary
I do it because I love the game and it's a way for me to interact with the game ...
That’s fair
chilly void
I haven't been able to properly deckbuild for myself recently with Satya being my primary focus. I'm struggling with this fucking Glarb thing now
because i just don't know what kind of direction I wanna take it
reef estuary
Yeah that dude is such a ridiculous card
Too much going on, I just wanna do Bria prowess shenanigans
chilly void
Satya had a very clear focus
he does really just 1 thing well
but this... I don't know what the fuck to do with it? control? reanimator?
reef estuary
[[glarb]]
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Legendary Creature — Frog Wizard Noble
Deathtouch
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells with mana value 4 or greater from the top of your library.
: Surveil 2.
2/4
reef estuary
Oh, this is NOT what I thiught we were talking about
chilly void
no, you were thinking about Flubs
reef estuary
I mean this just screams stompy to me
chilly void
a lot of people are thinkin about Flubs
reef estuary
Lands and big fuckin’ dudes
chilly void
i was thinkin miracles because miracles have mv 4+ so even if i put one on top with surveil, if i have to i can cast it before my next turn's draw
but the number of miracles I have access to that are even kind of okay are low
it's just Entreat the Dead, Devastation Tide, and Temporal Mastery
reef estuary
The problem with them is that if they’re on top they’re locking you out of casting cards
Because you want to draw them and them being on top isn’t great
chilly void
i only want to draw them as my first card for turn
reef estuary
Right
chilly void
which is why i was trying to find ways to draw on opps turns
torpid hinge
no, you were thinking about Flubs
Because we like impossible tasks
reef estuary
Ah
reef estuary
which is why i was trying to find ways to draw on opps turns
There’s lots of ways, I’d think
torpid hinge
[[Psychic posession]]?
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chilly void
maybe miracles is a bad direction though
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torpid hinge
maybe miracles is a bad direction though
I think you'll know after duskmourn
Miracles may be a mechanic in the set
chilly void
do i hold off building frog man
torpid hinge
Maybe
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torpid hinge
Or really strict no combos just value?
torpid hinge
I did also see another suggestion of Glarb with Keruga as a companion
chilly void
I don't wanna do Keruga, I don't find Keruga's benefit powerful enough to do that to my deck.
I considered Gyruda, though.
then I realized I can't
because Glarb costs 3
torpid hinge
So, this has slightly too many cards, but I could see trying a deck derived from it for Glarb https://www.moxfield.com/decks/eGqyosi3Y0qPFCNSapVhOA
reef estuary
Keruga is a really fun restriction
chilly void
Restriction is one thing but I do not value the reward for that restriction
chilly void
I am forgetting something
FUCK I FORGOT TO LOOK THROUGH THE LIST MXKALE SENT
I will do this in the morning, trust
Emry probably gets cut here btw I forgot she's 3 not 4
4og building is hard
chilly void
oh my god @torpid hinge you're so fucking right, this can be my chain of smog combo deck
ive been wanting to play chain of smog for fucking FOREVER
i need to figure out an easy indestructible permanent i can get to use [[Chain of Acid]] as well
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chilly void
can't be a creature so unfortunately i have to figure out another option, maybe [[Darksteel Citadel]]?
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Artifact Land
Indestructible
: Add .
Structures built from darksteel yield to neither assault nor age.
chilly void
Chain of Acid is specifically important for this because you can cast it off the top with Glarb
chilly void
Anyway, last night I played as much Anikthea as Satya, but I still did get a few games in with Satya!
When the deck gets rolling (and it usually does), it is really hard to deal with -- I kept a kinda bad opening hand in the last game of the night, but drawing into Fury and being able to just make a bunch of Fury clones meant I was extremely oppressive on board state.
Generous Plunderer worked wonders, as well, that card's CRAZY good for this deck. Huge inclusion, really. It was a must-remove, however, after they saw how much damage I was able to deal with it, so that might be a sticking point for the future. For now, three cheers for Team Wahoo!!
I am going to consider this particular project finished! Moving onto the next one, Glarb 
torpid hinge
Chain of Acid is specifically important for this because you can cast it off the...
I think i put a couple of indestructible cards for that purpose in the list I linked
The one ring
[[Cascading Cataracts]]
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Land
Indestructible
: Add .
, : Add five mana in any combination of colors.
"The rushing water is as the God-Pharaoh. It encompasses all. It nurtures all." —Temmet, vizier of Naktamun
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torpid hinge
And [[heroic intervention]]
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chilly void
Okay, no, this is a bad idea. I really like Omnitell but this is not it.
torpid hinge
Oh?
torpid hinge
I'm sorry that it wasn't working out
chilly void
oh it's fine im just
i wanted to put omniscience into play at a discount
but its ok
chilly void
Okay so we're trying this again.
I have no idea what direction I wanna take this.
There's a few things I could do as wincons:
**Omnitell **— This seemed bad when I looked at it before and probably is bad, but Omniscience is a pretty good card, so putting it into play should be able to win me games.
Chain Magecraft — This was the combo mxkale had in the list posted before, and it's cool and all but I'm not 100% sure it's the direction I wanna take things. The combo's pretty telegraphed and unless you're using specifically Witherbloom Apprentice or Professor Onyx, it doesn't win the game outright. Does get the benefit of getting to use Archmage Emeritus, though, if I can find a way to just cast stuff from my grave?
Stompy — Umaru and a few others keep wanting me to build a stompy deck, and I'm not too great at doing that, but it truly could not be simpler with the commander that wants to cast CMC4+ things from the top of my deck. Could even abuse Delve/Convoke/other self-cost-reducers.
Dredge — I don't even know how Dredge wins in commander, to be completely fair. I'd need a lot of help with this, but it might actually be the best option.
I'm not considering Thoracle Consult in here, as I find that locally people don't really care for playing against it and I want to remain able to play the deck. Brainfreeze or Tendril storm would be cool if I could find a way to generate a bunch of storm count? Opinions much needed.
mighty root
Idk what your power level target is, but delve spells seem pretty good
Per these kind of decks, senseis top and scroll Rack work decently well
chilly void
Current goal for power is high power casual, I'm not looking to cEDH with this but I'm definitely looking on the stronger end.
Delve spells are something I'd been considering, especially Temporal Trespass, Treasure Cruise, and maybe Ethereal Forager?
Scroll Rack and Sensei's Top should probably be in, though, good looks.
mighty root
You don't want too many delve cards, they compete amongst themselves
Probably the best ones
Also are a bit Fetch land reliant.
Top deck strategies like this want to have fetches anyway tho
chilly void
yeah i've got 5 fetches lined up rn, plus prismatic and fabled passage if i feel i need it
mighty root
Pitching commandeer or fow off the top deck is pretty funny
mighty root
Evoke cards are pretty good here too
mighty root
Even like mull drifter or something
Commanders like these usually wanna spam cast off the top as much as possible
chilly void
i hate mulldrifter but very fair, i can just evoke it off the top and i basically drew 3 cards
mighty root
Sort of weird the froggy wants higher cmc cards
chilly void
yeah
im fine not making everything topdeck castable
he does still play lands off the top
I'd rather the deck still be playable when he's not out, lots of drannith locally
mighty root
Yea for sure, but with top deck commanders like this, you do want a critical mass of valid targets
My wife used to run nalia, it'd feel awful whenever you goose egged the top card
reef estuary
There's a few things I could do as wincons:
**Omnitell **— This seemed bad when ...
Tbf, dredge is just stompy but graveyard flavored
Stompy is where I’d go, since it just feels so good to play
It’s a great kinda deck where it takes little relative brainpower, so if you want to monke brain and smash face for a game stompy is always recommended
(Disclaimer: you do still use your brain for some sequencing stuff but past that, meh)
torpid hinge
There's a few things I could do as wincons:
**Omnitell **— This seemed bad when ...
Dredge has a few options in commander. There's "empty your library," land-aristocrats, rise of the dark realms, and mill.
torpid hinge
If you put snake in frog it feels like you make everything about the snake and similar effects
chilly void
If you put snake in frog it feels like you make everything about the snake and s...
I had been considering doing like, Torment of Hailfire stuff as a wincon?
mighty root
Torments really an infinite mana win con
torpid hinge
How far off was the list I posted from what you were looking for with omnitell?
chilly void
A little far, I think you might be on the money though that it's better to just run Emergent Ultimatum than try to run Show and Tell and such
torpid hinge
I guess you could do dredge with [[go shintai of life]] if you consider 5c
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — Shrine
, : Return target enchantment card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Whenever Go-Shintai of Life's Origin or another nontoken Shrine enters the battlefield under your control, create a 1/1 colorless Shrine enchantment creature token.
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torpid hinge
like, the shrine part is great but the activated ability brings any enchantment back.
torpid hinge
Shipping? I'm pretty sure I got them in the nickel box
chilly void
i will definitely pay shipping that's not even a question
torpid hinge
The nickel bin is great at my store. Best recent finds are [[volrath's curse]] and [[!twiddle|4ed]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature can't attack or block, and its activated abilities can't be activated. That creature's controller may sacrifice a permanent for that player to ignore this effect until end of turn.
: Return Volrath's Curse to its owner's hand.
chilly void
twiddle is a great pickup
torpid hinge
I'm going to sleep can work things out with text messages?
chilly void
totally fine by me, i dm'd you but im taking a nap myself here for a sec
torpid hinge
It's 2am where I am
reef estuary
Have you considered our lord and savior [[ms bumbleflower]] :3 she can be built as an Approach/Thoracle deck
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chilly void
I haven't, I did consider [[Foxglove]] though
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reef estuary
The bnuuy is v fun
chilly void
i just dont like the bnuuy effect
chilly void
i think once we're done with Minsc & Boo (or Korvold, if it ends up becoming Korvold), the next deck is Jon Irenicus
reef estuary
There’s a surprising amount of cards that turn the card draw you’re giving away into huge benefit to you
torpid hinge
FWIW [[alania]]'s gifted draw seems to perform well too. People like drawing cards...
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torpid hinge
[[Alania, divergent]]
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reef estuary
FWIW [[alania]]'s gifted draw seems to perform well too. People like drawing car...
I get looked at a shocking amount less if I promise people cards and give cards as “penance” for using removal on them
Like I think bumbleflower has been hit by targeted removal maybe once
chilly void
gonna try to go through this again in a step-by-step approach
torpid hinge
I want to apologize, I still have the chirugeon... I haven't had a chance to send it.
chilly void
nonono its fine!
- Core Cards
- Ramp
- Redundancy
- Interaction
- Lands
So, core cards for Rusko:
Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal — This is a kill combo with the commander.
Displacer Kitten — A primary way to flicker Rusko to generate clocks.
Hullbreaker Horror — Combos with Sol Ring + any fast mana rock or free artifact to create a kill combo with Rusko.
Sheoldred, the Apocalypse — This turns Midnight clock into a powerful source of lifegain as well as pressuring life totals to make killing with Rusko when not going infinite easier.
Talion, the Kindly Lord — Again, life pressure and a draw engine. Our primary means of actually killing are lifedrain effects, so having life pressure is very powerful.
Torment of Hailfire + Exsanguinate — The primary kill pressure in the deck. Searchable, works very well with large numbers of mana rocks. Just works.
Midnight Clock — Yeah, my commander makes these, but having an extra one is functionally a better flicker effect in a lot of circumstances as it doesn't reset summoning sickness.
Staff of Compleation — It's a cheap way to proliferate, utilizing my increased lifegain to generate card draw more easily and stagger the Midnight Clock pops.
Is there anything here I'm missing @reef estuary ?
reef estuary
It seems pretty comprehensive
torpid hinge
What about cards like [[fain the broker]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
, Sacrifice a creature: Put two +1/+1 counters on target creature.
, Remove a counter from a creature you control: Create a Treasure token.
, Sacrifice an artifact: Create a 2/1 white and black Inkling creature token with flying.
: Untap Fain, the Broker.
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torpid hinge
Just other ways to manipulate the counters on the clocks
torpid hinge
[[chisei]] then
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torpid hinge
or [[soul diviner]]
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Creature — Zombie Wizard
, Remove a counter from an artifact, creature, land, or planeswalker you control: Draw a card.
As the Eternal's cold fingers tightened around his throat, Domri realized what kind of master he had rushed to serve.
2/3
chilly void
Yeah, I think Soul Diviner is an option.
torpid hinge
I picked the wrong one from memory.
torpid hinge
Yeah, that would be about right. Unless you have a good way to make treasure to supplement it.
chilly void
Yeah, I don't think I do.
Ramp for Rusko:
Sol Ring, Arcane Signet, Talisman of Dominance, Dimir Signet — The absolute baseline.
Lotus Petal — An early Rusko is going to win games for me outright, sometimes, plus it's a free spell for Hullbreaker/Displacer.
Mana Vault — I'm trying to keep the budget a bit lower on this, so no Crypt, but I do just own a Vault and since I can flicker it, that seems really solid here.
Blur — Flickers Rusko and draws a card. Hard to beat this one.
Planar Incision + Teferi's Time Twist — Being able to flicker Clocks is MASSIVELY IMPORTANT because otherwise I lose my ramp as the game goes on.
Ghostly Flicker — Flickers two artifacts or creatures, giving me the ability to reset a clock and make a new one when needed!
Oh, and probably Dark Ritual, right?
1) Core Cards
2) Ramp
3) Redundancy
4) Interaction
5) Lands
Okay so looking at redundancy pieces, I've got a few of these already, but would like a way to win the game through Drannith lock.
And probably also through Narset lock.
torpid hinge
[[emry]]?
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Legendary Creature — Merfolk Wizard
This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.
When Emry, Lurker of the Loch enters, mill four cards.
: Choose target artifact card in your graveyard. You may cast that card this turn. (You still pay its costs. Timing rules still apply.)
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chilly void
Emry does Lotus Petal loop, right?
torpid hinge
Yeah
chilly void
yeah, that'll do it
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chilly void
Displacer Kitten
torpid hinge
she doesn't have haste
torpid hinge
I just love me a mirran spy
chilly void
maybe worth running anyway since she does say draw 4 cards
well, kinda, depends on how close she drops to a midnight clock
is there a decent way to drain my opponents when i cast spells that isn't Rusko?
maybe Sedgemoor Witch?
alternatively, i could try to play a fair gameplan instead of getting more ways to drain, with stuff like Psychic Frog
and [[Basim Ibn Ishaq]]
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chilly void
unsure which is better/less salt inducing
reef estuary
I love basim
chilly void
yeah, basim and psychic frog are a really nice pair of free beaters attached to card draw engines
and it's not hard to play good historic spells
maybe a gyruda, a sakashima, and baleful strix?
it would actually be pretty easy to just make Gyruda the companion for this
but does mean no dark rit, no hullbreaker, and no sol ring/staff of compleation/midnight clock
no sol ring means i probably have to play mana crypt
oh, and no mana vault, yeah i think gyruda's just fine in the 99
what's another efficient lower-cost beater i can pump in this deck
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My love, my heart [[ledger shredder]]
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torpid hinge
[[metalwork colossus]] becomes low cost fairly quickly
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Artifact Creature — Construct
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the total mana value of noncreature artifacts you control.
Sacrifice two artifacts: Return Metalwork Colossus from your graveyard to your hand.
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chilly void
oh, yeah, that's -3 every time Rusko ETBs
and i can sac midnight clock if this is in my graveyard in response to the midnight clock trigger
to shuffle it into my deck
torpid hinge
Yep
chilly void
little concerned that it's just a 10/10, but a 10/10 is fine
torpid hinge
It is at least expensive for any card that cares about the MV of an artifact
chilly void
the real issue is it is not even for Gyruda
that's very minimally an issue, that's 1 card in the deck
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chilly void
im flickering a 3/3
reef estuary
Yeah, only drawing off of <=2mv seems mid
chilly void
[[Pollywog Prodigy]]
reef estuary
It only draws off of spells LESS than its power
reef estuary
So you’re only drawing off of mv <=2
After it gets to 3 power, pollywog stops getting bigger
chilly void
yeah, i mean that's totally fair
also, i've got a lot of big guys in the deck
Shelly, Gyruda, Hullbreaker, Talion
it's fine to only draw off less than 3, because then it's a 3/5 that's drawing me cards
would prefer it was evasive but hey, what can i really do about that
reef estuary
Is a 3/5 with no evasion mattering in your meta?
chilly void
not really unfortunately, outside of being a good blocker
reef estuary
Tbh i think pollywog is highly overrated
In decks where you can buff it reliably sure it’s fantastic
But outside that is just feels like a cope because it could potentially maybe possibly eventually be unconditional draw for 2 mana
chilly void
i would prefer something that's more consistently a large evasive beater if im gonna play fair cards
that's a very reasonable take
i should look at legends and artifact creatures since Basim's in my deck
and evens since Gyruda's in the deck
maybe Alandra?
[[Alandra, Sky Dreamer]]
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chilly void
she turns my clocks into a +7/+7 pump for the board
torpid hinge
What about clones of rusko?
chilly void
maybe Canoptek Scarab Swarm? Seems like a good control option
yeah, running a few clones is probably a good idea
Glasspool's probably already going in anyway
[[Canoptek Scarab Swarm]]
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chilly void
fuck you cost 3
also don't really do what i want
oh, maybe this is my Cyberdrive deck?
torpid hinge
Where is gyruda in the list?
chilly void
I've started another one on moxfield so im not looking at the old stuff
Not in the companion zone, just in the 99.
reef estuary
oh, maybe this is my Cyberdrive deck?
100% it’s a cyberdrive deck
Kill people with your massive… clocks
chilly void
i have a pretty extended art japanese cyberdrive, too
oh, phyrexian metamorph is historic
torpid hinge
[[sculpting steel]] doesn't do creatures but it does clocks
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chilly void
it does indeed do clocks
and since it's not a creature i dont care if it's even or not
torpid hinge
[[auton soldier]] and [[flesh duplicate]] are hits with Gyruda.
torpid hinge
Auton soldier copying rusko
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Legendary Creature — God Artificer
Those Who Came Before — This spell costs less to cast for each historic card in your graveyard. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
Exile any number of historic cards from your graveyard with total mana value 30 or greater: You get an emblem with "Creatures you control have base power and toughness 9/9."
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torpid hinge
Yeah, no, the folding things back in with the clock negates it
chilly void
there was a creature i was looking at before that gets a counter when you draw a card, and then i thought about the OG
[[Toothy, Imaginary Friend]]
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chilly void
who is both historic and cmc4
i think this might be a good amount of creatures, 17 is a lot for a deck like this
oh, i forgot orcish
aight, so that's a pretty reasonable amount of redundancy, a 3rd kill alongside Torment or Exsanguinate would be nice though
potentially Starscream as a consideration, as well
torpid hinge
[[starscream]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Flying
Whenever you draw a card, if you're the monarch, target opponent loses 2 life.
Whenever one or more creatures deal combat damage to you, convert Starscream.
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Starscream, Seeker Leader
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (During your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Flying, menace, haste
Whenever Starscream deals combat damage to a player, if there is no monarch, that player becomes the monarch.
Whenever you become the monarch, convert Starscream.
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chilly void
i kinda dont want the monarchy in play i think
chilly void
okay @marble pasture @reef estuary @torpid hinge https://www.moxfield.com/decks/t19HqfOWCkO9M3tzmNBPSA how do we feel about this attempt at the deck?
I think I'd kinda like 2 more artifacts in the deck but I gotta be heavy on instants, so
marble pasture
Isorev blehhhh
But tbf you’re trying to get people to play against it so I can’t recommend thoracle instead
Though I like the 31 land count
reef estuary
31 lands, blehhhh
chilly void
i dont need any other card, since isorev casts
marble pasture
31 lands good
Embrace low land gaming
chilly void
i'd consider going lower if i could
marble pasture
Let’s see
chilly void
maybe drop a swamp for another 0 mana artifact
marble pasture
No crypt gaming eh
reef estuary
31 lands good
Embrace low land gaming
Will literally never be me
chilly void
no, im trying to avoid running hyperexpensive stuff
reef estuary
34 lands at minimum
chilly void
if i was going to play the expensive stuff there'd be a jeweled lotus in here first
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chilly void
yeah
vault's only in there because i own a vault and it's legitimately pretty good in this
marble pasture
Yeah with the stronker cards I’d knock that land count down even lower
26-28 land gaming, but that’s hard without moneh or proxies allowed
chilly void
yeah
only card that's getting falsified is Rusko himself
because imagine actually getting a copy of that
marble pasture
Guessing you don’t really feel like grabbing a one ring then
chilly void
i should probably, at this point, consider dropping an island for urborg
but i'd have to buy one
reef estuary
And people who want to play something that’s more than, say, 5 mana
Or be able to play the game after our ramp gets bonked
chilly void
i have so much ramp though
marble pasture
And people who want to play something that’s more than, say, 5 mana
That’s what fast mana and rituals are for
Or tutors/clones in a dockside meta
chilly void
my commander is ramp
reef estuary
Yeah those are all cringe
chilly void
that's like part of the deckbuilding i chose to do here, i looked at what the land count in Golos was like
since Midnight Clock taps for blue
reef estuary
My meta don’t run no dockside, tutors or fast mana and I’m having a great time
marble pasture
Clone gaming
chilly void
i need them to be Gyruda hits
marble pasture
Cyber conversion is interesting
chilly void
yeah, it's there mostly for notion thief
because holy fuck i get obliterated the literal second someone flashes in notion thief in response to my clock trigger
being able to upside down it instead of kill it is important so it cannot be reanimated
marble pasture
I’m a big fan of the mages for tutor creatures, especially in a blink deck where you have multiple targets
[[Trinket mage]] and the like
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chilly void
yeah, the 2 mv one is actually very good in this case
marble pasture
Also no oppo 😦
chilly void
no oppo because i want to be able to continue to play the deck
marble pasture
:/
Fair
How about praetor’s grasp
Grab an answer or wincon from your opponents
reef estuary
Clique is nigh unplayable in commander
chilly void
it gives me a reasonable amount of disruption and is a legend, and since i can blink it, it is reusable
which is something i have to think about because i do get to recycle my blink spells
torpid hinge
I love clique because I can use it on myself.
chilly void
i guess they just run literally every even clone
that they possibly can?
sorry i was lookin for hot tech for rusko
and was lookin through gyruda, toxrill, and talion decks
marble pasture
yeah I'm not sure why he's running that
chilly void
thought i was missing something
marble pasture
but he's also playing spark double and stuff which is wild
chilly void
yeah
marble pasture
and those are all evens
chilly void
yeah i was trying to do that actually
since i'm also running gyruda in the deck
but i think that made the deck worse
marble pasture
if i had to guess
he threw every clone with an even amount in
so that when he gyrudas he can gyruda
chilly void
i think that's what happened here
interesting
i dont think gyruda players typically do that i thought
i was pretty sure they just run the good clones and then even game enders?
but interesting one nonetheless
chilly void
oh
i didnt even see that
nevermind
yeah so then they loop one of the clones that doesn't die to legend rule over and over right?
marble pasture
sometimes you abuse the legend rule because it's a sac too
which i think is why he has deadeye navigator in
chilly void
yeah, i noticed that, that was a card i'd been excluding for rusko
chilly void
i think maybe this list isnt too useful for my purposes
but was interesting to look at
chilly void
i was intending to win with hullbreaker loops with rusko out
or with torment of hailfire/exsanguinate
so probably not too useful since this doesnt really do any of that
chilly void
ah, i forgot about hoarding broodlord saw in half though
that's something to consider
marble pasture
is a good line
chilly void
especially since saw in half on my commander is also very good
chilly void
well yeah but
marble pasture
since i know you play that
chilly void
[[Rusko, Clockmaker]]
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marble pasture
oh i know
chilly void
it's this
marble pasture
you could always join 5c gang
we have 5 color cookies
chilly void
holy shit, i didnt think about this
but scroll rack is probably insane in rusko right?
marble pasture
i would assume so
chilly void
i am consistently timetwistering myself
hmm
should consider [[Unwinding clock]] as well, maybe
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chilly void
since my commander makes mana rocks
marble pasture
you should play paradox engine because it does the funny artifact stuff
but i agree
clock can do stuff
marble pasture
but you're playing rusko
who better to play the paradox than the paradoxical commander
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chilly void
timetwister is a good card
if i put timetwister in this list though i think people will shoot me in the parking lot
just on principle
chilly void
im also just not sure how low on creatures i should be going for this kind of deck
rusko doesnt proc on creatures but i obviously don't want people to beat my ass
marble pasture
then just play the essentials and roll with it
i am the one who plays thoracle moment
chilly void
rn it's:
Displacer Kitten
Sakashima the Impostor
Sheoldred the Apocalypse
Talion the Kindly Lord
Thassa Deep-dwelling
Gyruda Doom of Depths
Hullbreaker Horror
I should probably also be running something that doesnt cost 4
chilly void
ledger shredder for sure
i was also looking at uhhhhhhhh
what's the one from asscreed
[[basim ibn ishaq]]
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chilly void
i dont know if this is actually that good
marble pasture
[[pollywog prodigy]] that's the boi
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chilly void
yeah, im just concerned about my ability to get it to a power that it matters
with so few creatures
chilly void
ledger shredder's good though
marble pasture
notion thief?
chilly void
also costs 4 but i guess fair
i dont wheel other people so they might be fine with it
marble pasture
blue creatures outside of clones are hard
chilly void
oh
marble pasture
black too, since you don't wanna oppo or pew pew bowmasters
marble pasture
ayyyy
chilly void
oppo though is probably not happening
marble pasture
:/
chilly void
[[psychic frog]] seems good here
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chilly void
since i can get lands out of my graveyard before i shuffle
also, i can discard my hand to pump it in response to clock trigger
marble pasture
true
chilly void
other lower-cmc creatures in my colors are hard
like faerie mastermind is a 2 mana 2/1 flyer
and nothing else in most of my games
people really do not be drawing cards
chilly void
volatile stormdrake is a solid one, if only for removal
marble pasture
you could also play like, thada adel
chilly void
i could, yeah
marble pasture
or malevolent hermit
chilly void
maybe psychosis crawler?
i fucking hate that it costs 5 though
but it does certifiably ping everyone for 7 every time a clock goes off
reef estuary
What deck is this? Rusko still?
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What’s the move
chilly void
cant quite find a build i like
reef estuary
Also I still don’t recommend pollywog
I mean tbh, I think turbo flicker could be very fun
Just lotsa mana
Your hand will always be full
chilly void
yeah but the problem is how do i actually win
reef estuary
You’re casting noncreature spells
chilly void
i like doing cool value stuff but i also dont wanna hold 3 players hostage
reef estuary
I mean you can set up some flicker combos
chilly void
but yes, pollywog is not in the deck
reef estuary
Flicker combos are instant wins with rusko
reef estuary
Isorev does it too
reef estuary
Control is good too
Especially if you can flicker rusko at least sometimes
Because your hand will always be full
chilly void
kinda how he sees play on MTGA except we have different options
like in Historic Brawl, they have Pengine
reef estuary
Ooh
chilly void
and so he's a Pengine deck
chilly void
but here we can abuse flicker effects to give us stuff that helps with our control gameplan
reef estuary
Would [[dispersal shield]] be good?
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chilly void
i mean it's probably still fine
2 mana counter target spell cmc3 or less is still fine
reef estuary
I’d rather run, like, [[stern scolding]]
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chilly void
some flicker spells that were seeing play in Gyruda here (this is why i looked them up first)
Planar Incision
[[planar incision]]
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reef estuary
You can also set up the archaeomancer flicker combos
chilly void
yeah
reef estuary
That’s also good just to make more clocks until you hit the combo
chilly void
ghostly flicker isn't exactly the one i want but
there's one that was, can't think of the name
illusionist's gambit?
[[illusionist's gambit]] ?
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chilly void
no wrong one
reef estuary
[[illusionist stratagem]]
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chilly void
those don't hit artifacts, which is a little concerning
reef estuary
Hmmm, i mean we don’t care thaaat much about that
Your clocks are fine getting exiled if you’re getting another one
chilly void
sure but i can flicker them in response to the trigger to get them back and still get the draw
reef estuary
Right
chilly void
so ideally i can do that
but is that worth so much that im willing to pay 2 more mana?
reef estuary
I just mean don’t discount ones that can’t hit artifacts
Even single target ones are literally free
chilly void
[[lillysplash portal]]
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reef estuary
Lmao
chilly void
[[psychic frog]]
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