Umaru’s Decklist Thread

[sick locust]

Idk how I feel about that (lol)

Love me a good QB

[misty geyser]

I mean all I used QB for was an anti-fog machine

Plus baloth making stuff uncounterable is extremely relevant

[sharp garden]

I've grown to really like [[valki god of lies]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/114/valki-god-of-lies-tibalt-cosmic-impostor

Valki, God of Lies <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — God
When Valki enters, each opponent reveals their hand. For each opponent, exile a creature card they revealed this way until Valki leaves the battlefield.
: Choose a creature card exiled with Valki with mana value X. Valki becomes a copy of that card.
2/1

Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor
Legendary Planeswalker — Tibalt
As Tibalt enters, you get an emblem with "You may play cards exiled with Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast those spells."
+2: Exile the top card of each player's library.
−3: Exile target artifact or creature.
−8: Exile all graveyards. Add .
Loyalty: 5

[sharp garden]

I know you weren't looking for more discard-esque effects

[misty geyser]

It’s okay, but a thoughtseize with a pw attached to the backside it just fine imo

[frail flare]

Valki doesn't feel like a midrange card

Maybe it is because of the hand attack effect

[sharp garden]

Yeah, that's why I run it

[frail flare]

I need to research midrange more because it always seems to encompass so much more than I think it does

[misty geyser]

To me it’s basically all about grinding value with mid body creatures and efficient removal

[sick locust]

oh swapping the big one for the baby

I can get behind that

[misty geyser]

Anyone got any goodstuff cards to put up for consideration for Jund?

I was deep mining scryfall and was wondering if anyone had spicy options

[[demon of dark schemes]] though might be too cute

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/73/demon-of-dark-schemes

Demon of Dark Schemes <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Demon
Flying
When this creature enters, all other creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn.
Whenever another creature dies, you get (an energy counter).
, Pay : Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control tapped.
5/5

[misty geyser]

I also considered [[ezzaroot channeler]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/60/ezzaroot-channeler

Ezzaroot Channeler <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Treefolk Druid
Reach
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast, where X is the amount of life you gained this turn.
: You gain 2 life.
4/6

[sharp garden]

Ooh I kinda like demon

[misty geyser]

Since [[soul of windgrace]] has a way to gain life for cheap

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/126/soul-of-windgrace

Soul of Windgrace <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Cat Avatar
Whenever Soul of Windgrace enters or attacks, you may put a land card from a graveyard onto the battlefield tapped under your control.
, Discard a land card: You gain 3 life.
, Discard a land card: Draw a card.
, Discard a land card: Soul of Windgrace gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it.
5/4

[misty geyser]

But then you think about it vs. like [[massacre wurm]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/714/massacre-wurm

Massacre Wurm <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Wurm
When this creature enters, creatures your opponents control get -2/-2 until end of turn.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls dies, that player loses 2 life.
6/5

[misty geyser]

hits my stuff, doesn’t do anything until 4 energy

The payoff is sweet though

[sharp garden]

Yeah and the new one in FF

[misty geyser]

Oh yeah. Zymos or something

[[Zenos yae]{

[[zenos yae]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/127/zenos-yae-galvus-shinryu-transcendent-rival

Zenos yae Galvus <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Noble Warrior
My First Friend — When Zenos yae Galvus enters, choose a creature an opponent controls. Until end of turn, creatures other than Zenos yae Galvus and the chosen creature get -2/-2.
When the chosen creature leaves the battlefield, transform Zenos yae Galvus.
4/4

Shinryu, Transcendent Rival
Legendary Creature — Dragon
Flying
As this creature transforms into Shinryu, choose an opponent.
Burning Chains — When the chosen player loses the game, you win the game.
"The heavens are too small a field for our dance. Let us transcend this mortal coil!"
8/8

[sharp garden]

That's it

[sick locust]

DID SOMEBODY MENTION AVISHKAR!?!

[misty geyser]

Sure did

[sick locust]

I will say I’ve wanted to try and make a deck with that and Cthonian Nightmare got me so hyped to try

And I still haven’t

But I think I still have my copy from my Prerelease

So that card has been with me for almost 10 years now

[misty geyser]

You could totally do orzhov/mardu energy in commander

[sick locust]

True

I might try to make a list for it today

[misty geyser]

But yeah, I’m literally looking at every creature in jund to see if I can find something spicy

Found a few goofy cards but nothing for the deck

I wasn’t gonna say it to a more open audience but the idea of a “Cunty” deck where everyone is either cunty in the art or as a character (think teysa karlov) would be funny as hell

[sick locust]

lol

[misty geyser]

Oh, shit Olivia Voldaren too

[dense wadi]

The evil Glissas probably qualify

[misty geyser]

Ohh true

Liliana of course

[dense wadi]

Nahiri

[misty geyser]

Tasigur

/Ian Malcolm

That twink will never escape the twink allegations

Also [[kotis fangkeeper]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/202/kotis-the-fangkeeper

Kotis, the Fangkeeper <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Warrior
Indestructible
Whenever Kotis deals combat damage to a player, exile the top X cards of their library, where X is the amount of damage dealt. You may cast any number of spells with mana value X or less from among them without paying their mana costs.
2/1

[sick locust]

I have a pic of this on my phone and it never fails to make me laugh

[sick locust]

[[diabolic tutor | KLD]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/75/diabolic-tutor

Diabolic Tutor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle.
"Show them. Show them how hot your fire can burn." —Liliana Vess, to Chandra Nalaar

[sick locust]

I'm def putting this in the deck

[misty geyser]

Yesss

Oh wait I thought this was for cunty boots

That works tho

[sick locust]

I mean...

¿Los Dos?

[misty geyser]

Bc liliana

[sick locust]

get some lesbian up in this

[frail flare]

Tyvar is more himbo but at the same...

Maybe earns a spot?

Oh, Ashiok

[sick locust]

Oko...

[frail flare]

Mm

[misty geyser]

Tyvar’s definitely a himbo more than cunty, Oko is a 50/50 for me

[sharp garden]

I don't know what any of these words mean

[misty geyser]

Himbo = him + bimbo

It’s less offensive than calling a woman a bimbo though

Cunty is harder to explain

[frail flare]

No, I knew I was off when I said it

Because I went, no, think more Walton Goggins since it's a description applied to him a lot

[lusty cloud]

Hey everyone!
I know this is technically your decklist thread @misty geyser – but I had a quick question:
I currently have around 5 decks that I already own in paper, along with some ideas for adds and cuts for each.
Would it be okay if I shared my decklists here to get some thoughts and feedback from you all? 😊💭

I’m not sure if it would make more sense to post each deck separately or maybe even create a dedicated thread just for all of them. 🤔

I've noticed that some posts here don’t get a lot of comments, so I just wanted to ask before spamming too much.
And by the way – huge shoutout to @misty geyser , @frail flare, @sharp garden and @long ridge ! You’re super active and always helpful, really appreciate that! ❤️

[misty geyser]

I don’t mind lol

I’d recommend making a personal brewing thread and feel free to ping me

[frail flare]

I second that recommendation and being open to being pinged

[lusty cloud]

Okay then I will do it like this and prepare everything for a good post 🙂
Thank you guys ❤️

[sick locust]

I don't think I've seen or assisted with your lists, but you can ping me too lol

[sharp garden]

Ping me too when you create one. I just want to feel needed 🥺

[lusty cloud]

Thanks a lot guys I did a lot of preparation now so you should get everything at first glance in this post ..
Typing ..... ❤️

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/7pckxerZu0ap_JHlLA040w

I did a thing

[misty geyser]

Gamers I need a cut for [[scrap trawler]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/373/scrap-trawler

Scrap Trawler <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Whenever this creature dies or another artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, return to your hand target artifact card in your graveyard with lesser mana value.
3/2

[misty geyser]

i’m kinda stuck

[dense wadi]

I think myr convert is the cut personally. I don’t think you really need it

[misty geyser]

Probably not, true

Trading out an artifact creature for an artifact creature is good, I’m trying to keep my count up so I can reliably activate my commander’s abilities

[frail flare]

Being able to make colored mana is important sometimes with colorless decks. Also, the Weatherlight is my suggestion for a cut because in the last 4 games with Greasefang it keeps causing me to bottom 3-4 land while I'm stuck on 4.

[sick locust]

lol

Can confirm: my colorless deck is on [[lux artillery]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/140/lux-artillery

Lux Artillery <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Whenever you cast an artifact creature spell, it gains sunburst. (It enters with a +1/+1 counter on it for each color of mana spent to cast it.)
At the beginning of your end step, if there are thirty or more counters among artifacts and creatures you control, this artifact deals 10 damage to each opponent.

[misty geyser]

That’d be a good alt win con for this deck, I think

[misty geyser]

Gamers, I want to build a control deck in simic with [[Gretchen Titchwillow]] but I don't know how to do some particular ratios and need help

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/223/gretchen-titchwillow

Gretchen Titchwillow <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Druid
: Draw a card. You may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield.
"Plant what you wish to see grow. Listen for the stories you want to hear told."
0/4

[misty geyser]

I love seedborn muse effects so I want to run as many of those as I can

I don't want to win via combo, but other stuff is not off the table. Big Blue Sun's Zenith is very fun

This may be one of the very few non-combat decks I make

[frail flare]

So, I'm used to Gretchen being like a t3-t4 combo deck

[misty geyser]

But the big thing for me is "how do I win, and how many of each card effect should I run between removal, game winners, ramp, and draw"

[frail flare]

Several of those are built into Gretchen

[dense wadi]

[[simic ascend]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/288/simic-ascendancy

Simic Ascendancy <:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on a creature you control, put that many growth counters on this enchantment.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if this enchantment has twenty or more growth counters on it, you win the game.

[misty geyser]

I don't like combos but I do like control, is the issue. Commander control decks tend to be combo because they're compact, but I think that maybe a BSZ and friends could be good?

[sharp garden]

[[trainign grounds]] seems good eh

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/9/training-grounds

Training Grounds <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Activated abilities of creatures you control cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
For those who survived, being prepared for the next crisis became one of the greatest virtues.

[misty geyser]

Oh 100%, same with benthic anomaly

[frail flare]

Maybe

I'm talking about it in Pauper commander

[misty geyser]

Ah

Gotcha

So like, I need to find that middle ground between "Have only removal in my hand and nothing else" and "not being able to stop anything because I have too many support pieces"

And how many permanent-based interaction to run vs. stuff like counterspells

I do want to run a Nexus of Fate, maybe get to some nexus loops and eventually draw people out with bsz if I've drawn my deck out

[frail flare]

This is main greatchen list with a primer. https://moxfield.com/decks/9NynA609AkWFdJim94kKNg

I think it would be easy to change it up to be the sort of control list you're looking for

[misty geyser]

True true, I'll have to take a look when I get home from work

[frail flare]

Just because it's gameplan is "draw your deck and generate infinite mana" inclusive

[misty geyser]

I'm not even opposed to the manual draw-out plan tbh

Like once my library is empty, have a few ways to win off that

I wouldn't run thoracle, maybe lab man to slow down the win a little

But more likely just nexus + bsz

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/EOkttGmZA0OdH0Wc9qkWOg

Thoughts? I can change the lands as needed, I just wanted an idea on the list itself first

I don't feel great about it but I'm not sure what else to do

[frail flare]

Pulling it up now

What's the part you're not feeling great about?

OK, nm I see what you're talking about

It has a feeling of 3 decks in a trenchcoat

I'm trying to tease the 3 lines apart but there's a stompy and a spellcaster for certain

I feel like [[koma, cosmos serpent]] has a place in this list with the number of additional upkeeps you're giving yourself

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/213/koma-cosmos-serpent

Koma, Cosmos Serpent <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Serpent
This spell can't be countered.
At the beginning of each upkeep, create a 3/3 blue Serpent creature token named Koma's Coil.
Sacrifice another Serpent: Choose one —
• Tap target permanent. Its activated abilities can't be activated this turn.
• Koma gains indestructible until end of turn.
6/6

[misty geyser]

I'm just thinking it's a rude deck but doesn't win the game very well

Koma's a good finisher

[frail flare]

Yeah

It almost feels like it wants to be Kinnan just for mana generation. 🤔 But I think that's a different vibe than you want

[misty geyser]

I'm not really making a lot of nonland mana?

[frail flare]

Yeah, so maybe [[nyxbloom ancient]] is what I"m thinking of

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/190/nyxbloom-ancient

Nyxbloom Ancient <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment Creature — Elemental
Trample
If you tap a permanent for mana, it produces three times as much of that mana instead.
Ancient yet ever-young, it is wise and subtle—and cruel and reckless as the spring itself.
5/5

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/KCGM0TG9xEaaOMao9EjulQ

I made a thing

[misty geyser]

So - one thing I'm thinking on in Jund Midrange

[sick locust]

oh?

[misty geyser]

I run very few single target removal spells and I'm struggling in my games to make the deck feel satisfying to play

I think I was getting my head in the sand on one sided board wipes and high value creatures (which translates to durdling a lot)

So I feel like replacing some "cool stuff"//"High value" creatures with a better removal suite and better engines it might work out better

https://moxfield.com/decks/KzTxzHT21EyO6ELrQKQxsA

So, I'm thinking lowering the curve some can help with this

so like I should replace a good # of creatures that aren't really doing much with more efficient removal

Keeping all the card draw engines

And tbh stuff that pushes damage that isn't the greatest at doing so could be on the chopping block

Stuff like Barrowgoyf are unironically really great

Because they fulfill so many roles at once

So - things like [[in garruk's wake]] are really cute, but not worth running

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/759/in-garruks-wake

In Garruk's Wake <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures you don't control and all planeswalkers you don't control.
Beyond pain, beyond obsession and wild despair, there lies a place of twisted power only the most tormented souls can reach.

[misty geyser]

Cultivator Colossus is one I added recently that I think will be really efficient

Etali is just fine

It's stompy, but not my favorite

Lumra is also just kinda cute

It ramps me a bunch but doesn't help much other than provide a decent ramp when it comes down

Lord windgrace is nice, but I don't think it's providing what I want it to

Thoughts on syr konrad? I just wonder if i can't just instead run a blood artist or something

I like Szarel, because it lets me hit land drops consistently in addition to stacking counters

Flip vorinclex is a favorite of mine, but I maintain that it doesn't jive with the deck a lot

[misty geyser]

I think what's really funny is that there's a possible lifegain deck with soul of windgrace

Bc of his first activated ability

[frail flare]

And [[zuran orb]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/300/zuran-orb

Zuran Orb <:mana0:292901467382087680>

Artifact
Sacrifice a land: You gain 2 life.
"Obsession is Zur's one flaw as a magic user. His total preoccupation with immortality has become an affliction for his otherwise brilliant mind." —Jodah, Archmage Eternal

[frail flare]

There are so many life for land going in gy cards in general too

[misty geyser]

Alright, I've made the changes - let me know what y'all think

[misty geyser]

I'm thinking of revisiting a [[Rocco Street Chef]] deck now that green has gotten even more absolutely insane ways to put +1/+1 counters on creatures

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/44/rocco-street-chef

Rocco, Street Chef <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
At the beginning of your end step, each player exiles the top card of their library. Until your next end step, each player may play the card they exiled this way.
Whenever a player plays a land from exile or casts a spell from exile, you put a +1/+1 counter on target creature and create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
2/4

[misty geyser]

The archetype has been juiced beyond belief

And it allows me to run cheap aggressive creature

I'm wondering if I don't need ramp, so much as a good curve

[frail flare]

I admit focusing on counters feels odd to me somehow

[misty geyser]

It's me, that's like my whole MO

[frail flare]

Counters?

It's that I built them as a crime deck 😅

[misty geyser]

That's funny

[frail flare]

So, I think you want different ramp definitely

[misty geyser]

I really do enjoy seeing a commander that can make people go in completely different directions

[frail flare]

But you don't need a ton in the normal way

Like, [[jaheira, friend]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/237/jaheira-friend-of-the-forest

Jaheira, Friend of the Forest <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Elf Druid
Tokens you control have ": Add ."
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
"The Harpers' movement grows, but it needs sunlight to blossom. We can be that light."
2/3

[frail flare]

Is long term accelerant

[misty geyser]

Oh my god

[[Ragost]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/224/ragost-deft-gastronaut

Ragost, Deft Gastronaut <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Lobster Citizen
Artifacts you control are Foods in addition to their other types and have ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life."
, , Sacrifice a Food: Ragost deals 3 damage to each opponent.
At the beginning of each end step, if you gained life this turn, untap Ragost.
2/2

[frail flare]

Yep

With Rocco, one thing that generally happens is you don't really ramp as much as you get to 3/4 and then it explodes

And I've reliably seen that across a lot of different builds

[[gourmand's talent]] also makes all artifacts food

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/31/gourmands-talent

Gourmand's Talent <:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
During your turn, artifacts you control are Foods in addition to their other types and have ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life."
: Level 2
Whenever you gain life for the first time each turn, create a 3/3 green Raccoon creature token.
: Level 3
Whenever you gain life for the first time each turn, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.

[dense wadi]

Looking at some of the silly new counter cards from Edge?

Like [[terrasymbiosis]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/210/terrasymbiosis

Terrasymbiosis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever you put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, you may draw that many cards. Do this only once each turn.
For Eumidians, terraforming and evolution are one and the same. They grow as their planet grows, in lockstep coexistence.

[misty geyser]

That, and FF having some cracked stuff come out of the precon

And main set

[dense wadi]

Mm yeah

[[sphere grid]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/70/sphere-grid

Sphere Grid <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
Unlock Ability — Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have reach and trample.
To activate nodes, you must use spheres.

[misty geyser]

I have a major fondness for [[Maester seymour]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/68/maester-seymour

Maester Seymour <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Elf Cleric
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a number of +1/+1 counters equal to Maester Seymour's power on another target creature you control.
: Monstrosity X, where X is the number of counters among creatures you control. (If this creature isn't monstrous, put X +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
1/3

[dense wadi]

I like Seymour

Have him in jenova

[frail flare]

[[welcome to sweettooth]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/198/welcome-to-sweettooth

Welcome to Sweettooth <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Create a 1/1 white Human creature token.
II — Create a Food token.
III — Put X +1/+1 counters on target creature you control, where X is one plus the number of Foods you control.

[misty geyser]

Monstrosity is an instant speed ability, so you can monstrous in response to his combat trigger

[dense wadi]

Alongside his butler

[[seymour butler]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/73/tromell-seymours-butler

Tromell, Seymour's Butler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Advisor
Each other nontoken creature you control enters with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
, : Proliferate X times, where X is the number of nontoken creatures you control that entered this turn. (To proliferate, choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
2/3

[misty geyser]

Tromell is insane too

[misty geyser]

This is a cool card

Night of Sweet's Revenge is similar

[frail flare]

[[astrid peth]] sadly went up in price

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/11/astrid-peth

Astrid Peth <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human
Whenever Astrid Peth enters or attacks, create a Food token.
Brand-new Sky — Whenever you sacrifice a Clue or Food, Astrid Peth explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
2/2

[frail flare]

Because of Ragost

[misty geyser]

Oh jeez, yeah that checks out

[[$astrid peth]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/11/astrid-peth

Prices for Astrid Peth

Doctor Who

$5.56 • €3.49

Doctor Who

$7.08

Doctor Who

$5.41

Doctor Who

$9.55

[misty geyser]

Oh that's not terrible

[frail flare]

She was under $1

[misty geyser]

I was hoping it wasn

wasn't like $20 all of a sudden

[tired wind]

Damn, that price skyrocketed

[dense wadi]

Astrid is climbing yeah

[frail flare]

Kylie Minogue

[[freestrider lookout]] and [[magda, the hoardmaster]] are the two crime cards I'd probably more generically recommend

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/133/magda-the-hoardmaster

Magda, the Hoardmaster <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Berserker
Whenever you commit a crime, create a tapped Treasure token. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
Sacrifice three Treasures: Create a 4/4 red Scorpion Dragon creature token with flying and haste. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/2

[misty geyser]

Freestrider just slaps

[dense wadi]

[[melt eulogist]] I think is a nice piece for counters

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/197/meltstrider-eulogist

Meltstrider Eulogist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Insect Soldier
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, draw a card.
There are no failures in terrasymbiosis, only lessons learned.
3/3

[misty geyser]

Card is Nadu but not broke

[frail flare]

I tell people I'll put the counter on one of their creatures if they use the thing in exile

[misty geyser]

See I'm not a fan of those kinds of cards, because I'd rather just protect my board over getting something out of losing it

[frail flare]

Otherwise people just let it rot to avoid giving me food

[misty geyser]

Same reasoning I never run The Ozolith

[misty geyser]

Tbh I'm fine with that - I'll just do it myself

[frail flare]

No, I know, but crime!

[misty geyser]

There is a strong overlap between combat triggers and exile

[dense wadi]

Fair enough. I like making combat more painful for people so cards like that make it in my mind harder for people to decide whether to block or not

[frail flare]

[[pia nalaar, consul]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/42/pia-nalaar-consul-of-revival

Pia Nalaar, Consul of Revival <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Thopters you control have haste.
Whenever you play a land from exile or cast a spell from exile, create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying.
Renegade turned revolutionary turned rebuilder.
2/3

[misty geyser]

The answer is usually "If it won't kill me, no"

So might as well make 'em as big as possible

[dense wadi]

See the more they make that choice the more likely I fireball them for lethal

[misty geyser]

Hell yeah

[frail flare]

If you're focusing on counters on your own things [[kami of celebration]] is a reasonable finisher

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/nec/20/kami-of-celebration

Kami of Celebration <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Spirit
Whenever a modified creature you control attacks, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
Whenever you cast a spell from exile, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
3/3

[frail flare]

[[the war doctor]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/who/167/the-war-doctor

The War Doctor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Time Lord Doctor
Whenever one or more other permanents phase out and whenever one or more other cards are put into exile from anywhere, put a time counter on The War Doctor.
Whenever The War Doctor attacks, it deals damage equal to the number of time counters on it to any target. If a creature dealt damage this way would die this turn, exile it instead.
3/5

[frail flare]

Since it counts your opponents exiling cards as well

[dense wadi]

War Doc is always cool

At all times

[frail flare]

But each turn cycle is at least 4 time counters on him assuming Rocco is out

[misty geyser]

The curve on cast-from-exile decks is always so high, jeez

I keep looking into it and keep getting disappointed at how high the curve tends to be

Like most of the cards that are, like, absolute shoe-ins for the deck start at 3 and tend towards 5

[frail flare]

[[party thrasher]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/129/party-thrasher

Party Thrasher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Lizard Wizard
Noncreature spells you cast from exile have convoke. (Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell from exile pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your first main phase, you may discard a card. If you do, exile the top two cards of your library, then choose one of them. You may play that card this turn.
1/4

[misty geyser]

Yeah, party thrasher is sick

[frail flare]

[[liara portyr]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/270/commander-liara-portyr

Commander Liara Portyr <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever you attack, spells you cast from exile this turn cost less to cast, where X is the number of players being attacked. Exile the top X cards of your library. Until end of turn, you may cast spells from among those exiled cards.
"It's a ghoul-eat-you world out there. Follow my orders if you want to survive."
5/3

[misty geyser]

But then you've got stuff to synergize with rocco like [[Peregrin took]], [[Rosie cotton]], [[aerial extortionist]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/181/peregrin-took

Peregrin Took <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Citizen
If one or more tokens would be created under your control, those tokens plus an additional Food token are created instead. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
Sacrifice three Foods: Draw a card.
"Sam! Get breakfast ready for half-past nine!"
2/3

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/27/rosie-cotton-of-south-lane

Rosie Cotton of South Lane <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
When Rosie Cotton enters, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
Whenever you create a token, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control other than Rosie Cotton.
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/54/aerial-extortionist

Aerial Extortionist <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Bird Soldier
Flying
Whenever this creature enters or deals combat damage to a player, exile up to one target nonland permanent. For as long as that card remains exiled, its owner may cast it.
Whenever another player casts a spell from anywhere other than their hand, draw a card.
4/3

[frail flare]

I'm not going to lie, this may be part of the reason my Rocco list is running 36 creatures and 31 lands

https://moxfield.com/decks/fiEQIrDOkkujwxzjUri9wQ

[misty geyser]

Oh! Off topic, but I REALLY want to build mono u Katara

Dw about the subreddit, it popped up on my main feed

Draw go would be so good with her

[frail flare]

That gets messed up very quickly

[misty geyser]

Even an opt + brainstorm = draw 2 discard 1

[frail flare]

Flash artifacts count too: https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aartifact+o%3Aflash+cmc<3+commander%3Au&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

Or like [[spectral sailor]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/164/spectral-sailor

Spectral Sailor <:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Spirit Pirate
Flash (You may cast this spell any time you could cast an instant.)
Flying
: Draw a card.
"Any ship that sails on these mean seas for long is bound to pick up a ghost or two." —Admiral Beckett Brass
1/1

[misty geyser]

Faerie mastermind :3

And tons of flurry support works too

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/nJ0uB-Pgzk6WpDEE5_hByA

Here’s what I threw together

Might need more ways to make her unblockable

[frail flare]

I would run all the good 1-2 drop can't be blocked stuff yeah

[misty geyser]

Wait this is the perfect deck for [[mental misstep]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/nph/38/mental-misstep

Mental Misstep <:manaup:292901508780130305>

Instant
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Counter target spell with mana value 1.
"Your first mistake was thinking I would let you live long enough to make a second." —Sarnvax, Gitaxian sective

[frail flare]

[[security bypass]] ex

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/59/security-bypass

Security Bypass <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
As long as enchanted creature is attacking alone, it can't be blocked.
Enchanted creature has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, it connives." (Its controller draws a card, then discards a card. If they discarded a nonland card, they put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)

[misty geyser]

True true

[sharp garden]

Oooh

[misty geyser]

Alright I’ve updated the deck

https://moxfield.com/decks/nJ0uB-Pgzk6WpDEE5_hByA

What y’all think

[dense wadi]

She’s cool!

[misty geyser]

It lends itself to being a draw go deck so well

I think my only concern is actually closing the game

[dense wadi]

Hear me out

Draw go Voltron

So she can kill people at the end

[frail flare]

[[nerd rage]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/34/nerd-rage

Nerd Rage <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
When this Aura enters, draw two cards.
Enchanted creature has "You have no maximum hand size" and "Whenever this creature attacks, if you have ten or more cards in hand, it gets +10/+10 until end of turn."

[dense wadi]

[[empyrial armor]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/vma/25/empyrial-armor

Empyrial Armor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each card in your hand.
"An angel appeared in the smoldering skies above the fray, her clothes as flames, her armor as fire." —"Hymn of Angelfire"

[dense wadi]

Wrong one

[misty geyser]

How necessary would a [[jace wielder of mysteries]] effect be

[frail flare]

She's sadly not azorius yeah

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/54/jace-wielder-of-mysteries

Jace, Wielder of Mysteries <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
If you would draw a card while your library has no cards in it, you win the game instead.
+1: Target player mills two cards. Draw a card.
−8: Draw seven cards. Then if your library has no cards in it, you win the game.
Loyalty: 4

[dense wadi]

I’m looking for the equipment

[misty geyser]

Oh man if she would’ve been anything but mono blue

[dense wadi]

Is it plate

[misty geyser]

Armor

[dense wadi]

[[empyrial plate]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/251/empyrial-plate

Empyrial Plate <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each card in your hand.
Equip
A body clad in steel reflects a warrior's resolve.

[dense wadi]

There it is

[misty geyser]

Oh yeah plate then

[frail flare]

Not necessary. You just need stuff that means you don't lose for drawing from an empty library

[misty geyser]

Is there a version with flash?

[frail flare]

So like draw replacements, etc.

[misty geyser]

I mean, if I’m preventing losing I might as well be winning no?

[frail flare]

I'm just saying if you don't want win the game effects

there are draw replacements

But if you're OK with labman go for it?

[misty geyser]

Oh I certainly am

Thoracle is where I tend to draw the line

[frail flare]

I just can pretty easily see stuff where Katara is drawing 20 odd cards

https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3Au+o%3A"the+number+of+cards+in+your+hand"+format%3Aedh&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

If you can get vecna equipped early

[misty geyser]

Wasn’t there a [[naiad of hidden groves]] effect in eoe?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/56/naiad-of-hidden-coves

Naiad of Hidden Coves <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Nymph
During turns other than yours, spells you cast cost less to cast.
"Wave-borne, he watches over secrets of the shore." —Psemilla, Meletian poet
2/3

[frail flare]

OTJ had a drake

[dense wadi]

[[thunderclap drake]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/17/thunderclap-drake

Thunderclap Drake <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Drake
Flying
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
, Sacrifice this creature: When you next cast an instant or sorcery spell this turn, copy it for each time you've cast your commander from the command zone this game. You may choose new targets for the copies.
2/1

[dense wadi]

Not quite

[frail flare]

[[geyser drake]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/51/geyser-drake

Geyser Drake <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Drake
Flying
During turns other than yours, spells you cast cost less to cast.
As mating season approaches, drakes dive through scalding geysers, revealing the brightly colored scales hidden beneath layers of dust.
2/3

[dense wadi]

That one

[misty geyser]

Well there’s that but I thought EOE had one too

[frail flare]

No

[dense wadi]

The main card id like to put forth for consideration if you take a Voltron subtheme

Is [[smoke bomb]]

[frail flare]

I don't remember it having any cost reducers

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/75/smoke-bomb

Smoke Bomb <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Flash
All creatures have shroud. (They can't be the targets of spells or abilities.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this artifact. When you do, target creature you control can't be blocked this turn.
When the sun removes all shadows, the Assassins create their own.

[misty geyser]

Ohhh no

[frail flare]

[[uthros psion]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/84/uthros-psionicist

Uthros Psionicist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Jellyfish Scientist
The second spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
"Log entry cycle 33,507: Tenuous perception of psionic activity emanating from Uthros's core. Nature: Nonlinguistic, fragmentary. Content: Isolation, apoplexy. It wants free." —Uthros Combine research notes
2/4

[misty geyser]

[[uthros psionicist]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/84/uthros-psionicist

Uthros Psionicist <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Jellyfish Scientist
The second spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
"Log entry cycle 33,507: Tenuous perception of psionic activity emanating from Uthros's core. Nature: Nonlinguistic, fragmentary. Content: Isolation, apoplexy. It wants free." —Uthros Combine research notes
2/4

[frail flare]

that's what you're thinking about

[misty geyser]

Yeah I was mixing up flurry with naiad

They kinda overlap so

[dense wadi]

Not a fan?

[misty geyser]

No, sorry, that was for uthros psionicist

Smoke bomb is neat, but I wonder if there isn’t another flash speed option that sticks around

Though tbh with how quick this deck goes, idk if I even need more than a few attacks

Ohhh my god

[[weftwalking]] would be so funny

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/86/weftwalking

Weftwalking <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, if you cast it, shuffle your hand and graveyard into your library, then draw seven cards.
The first spell each player casts during each of their turns may be cast without paying its mana cost.

[frail flare]

[[lost in the maze]] is closest I think

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/64/lost-in-the-maze

Lost in the Maze <:manax:292901509082120202><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Flash
When this enchantment enters, tap X target creatures. Put a stun counter on each of those creatures you don't control. (If a permanent with a stun counter would become untapped, remove one from it instead.)
Tapped creatures you control have hexproof.

[frail flare]

But that's only if she's tapped

[misty geyser]

That’s a good one

[dense wadi]

Only so many cards that lean well into drag go and Voltron, so I thought it might be a good fit

[misty geyser]

True true

[frail flare]

There are flash shroud options

Like [[alexei's cloak]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pcy/29/alexis-cloak

Alexi's Cloak <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Flash
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
"Doesn't look like much, does it?" —Alexi, zephyr mage

[frail flare]

or [[silver shroud costume]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/142/silver-shroud-costume

Silver Shroud Costume <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Flash
When this Equipment enters, attach it to target creature you control. That creature gains shroud until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equipped creature can't be blocked.
Equip

[misty geyser]

Already have it in there

[frail flare]

Yeah

I'm just a little scattered right now

[misty geyser]

[[pemmin’s aura]] is a good one for this deck

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/scg/45/pemmins-aura

Pemmin's Aura <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
: Untap enchanted creature.
: Enchanted creature gains flying until end of turn.
: Enchanted creature gains shroud until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
: Enchanted creature gets +1/-1 or -1/+1 until end of turn.

[misty geyser]

OH

COMMANDER’s PLATE

DUHHHH

[dense wadi]

I was happy to see misleading signpost

Card is hilarious

[misty geyser]

Is this turning into a voltron control deck? Yes

Do I care? Not particularly

[misty geyser]

Yeah it’s especially really good here

[dense wadi]

Hey, draw, punch, go can be fun too!

[misty geyser]

I have such a specific subset of draw, punch, go that I enjoy and it’s weird

Voltron doesn’t quite meet that but Katara is just too neat to not try

I wonder which swords if any I should do

Like the UW one is good here

[frail flare]

OH! One of the weird cards from MH3

[misty geyser]

I imagine forge and frontier is solid? Extra land drops is good

[frail flare]

[[triton wavebreaker]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/74/triton-wavebreaker

Triton Wavebreaker <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Bestow (If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached.)
As long as this permanent is a creature, it has prowess. (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has prowess.
1/1

[misty geyser]

Oh, cool

[frail flare]

It's basically an aura that gives prowess

It's the only way to give a creature prowess

[misty geyser]

Really?

[frail flare]

Yep

At last in U [[bria, riptide]] and [[narset, enlightened]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/379/bria-riptide-rogue

Bria, Riptide Rogue <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Otter Rogue
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
Other creatures you control have prowess. (If a creature has multiple instances of prowess, each triggers separately.)
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, target creature you control can't be blocked this turn.
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/38/narset-enlightened-exile

Narset, Enlightened Exile <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Creatures you control have prowess.
Whenever Narset attacks, exile target noncreature, nonland card with mana value less than Narset's power from a graveyard and copy it. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.
They called her unique insight a "gift." Then she saw the truth, and suddenly it was a "threat."
3/4

[misty geyser]

Oh, so it is

Nexus of Fate is extra powerful here

Gives an extra turn, is repeatable, and can be cast on other people’s turns

So I can effectively take two consecutive turns if I cast it on the person to my right’s end step

[frail flare]

I admit, Katara as a U-auras commander is funny

[misty geyser]

Trueee

There’s lots of flash auras too

[frail flare]

Just looking at like [[charisma]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/66/charisma

Charisma <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Whenever enchanted creature deals damage to a creature, gain control of the other creature for as long as this Aura remains on the battlefield.
It was Gerrard's nature to lead and the Mercadians' to follow.

[frail flare]

and [[auramancer's guise]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/plc/34/auramancers-guise

Auramancer's Guise <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 for each Aura attached to it and has vigilance.
"Consider not what the mask hides, but what it can reveal."

[misty geyser]

My friend’s Kotis deck runs a decent amount of blue auras

It’s really good

You could run the [[compulsive research]]es of the world too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/147/compulsive-research

Compulsive Research <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Target player draws three cards. Then that player discards two cards unless they discard a land card.
"Four parts molten bronze, yes . . . one part frozen mercury, yes, yes . . . but then what?"

[misty geyser]

Oops

Uh

What’s the one that is a curiosity that gives stat boosts

[frail flare]

They're not true curiosity because just combat damage but

[[curious obsession]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/148/curious-obsession

Curious Obsession <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may draw a card."
At the beginning of your end step, if you didn't attack with a creature this turn, sacrifice this Aura.

[frail flare]

[[curious inquiry]] is the other

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/51/curious-inquiry

Curious Inquiry <:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, investigate." (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
Each time he replayed the attack in his mind, new details emerged.

[sharp garden]

Damn, mono blue kitara looks sweet

I was going to create a mono blue tetsuko umezawa deck for U, but I may reconsider now

[misty geyser]

This is basically the same

[sharp garden]

Yeah, just similar enough

[sharp garden]

[[bender's waterskin]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/255/benders-waterskin

Bender's Waterskin <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Untap this artifact during each other player's untap step.
: Add one mana of any color.
Katara's waterskin ensured that she would always have water for bending, healing, or drinking.

[sharp garden]

Craaazy

[sick locust]

I looked up and saw the curiosities and was like “are we rebrewing flying men?”

[misty geyser]

Okay, you know what? I think more discard is in the question for my Jund deck

running people out of cards is huge

I'm trying to go back to my roots and figuring out what made Jund Jund back in the day

[dense wadi]

I heard discard so I came sniffing around

[misty geyser]

And like a third of the cards in the deck as we knew it was discard

[misty geyser]

I knew I could count on you

[dense wadi]

I love discard!

And there’s some fun options in Jund for that purpose. Including some old school stuff 60 card Jund didn’t have

[misty geyser]

So here's my deck currently: would lotv be useful here? I haven't had much luck with it really.https://moxfield.com/decks/KzTxzHT21EyO6ELrQKQxsA

I still think "each opponent"/"each player" discard is the best bet here

[dense wadi]

Remind me what lotv is in this context?

[misty geyser]

[[Liliana of the Veil]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/97/liliana-of-the-veil

Liliana of the Veil <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Planeswalker — Liliana
+1: Each player discards a card.
−2: Target player sacrifices a creature.
−6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. That player sacrifices all permanents in the pile of their choice.
Loyalty: 3

[dense wadi]

Ah okay

[misty geyser]

Classic boomer jund card, but importantly good discard

I want to make this deck good power-wise but still with that feel of jund midrange, as you know

[dense wadi]

I think Veil can do well, repeated wide discard is good and you can theoretically make good use of anything you discard

[misty geyser]

So I want to be skeptical of my bias towards running boomer jund cards just because they're boomer jund cards

[dense wadi]

It’s a bit more investment but what would you think of [[tinybones bauble]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/72/tinybones-bauble-burglar

Tinybones, Bauble Burglar <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Skeleton Rogue
Whenever an opponent discards a card, exile it from their graveyard with a stash counter on it.
During your turn, you may play cards you don't own with stash counters on them from exile, and mana of any type can be spent to cast those spells.
, : Each opponent discards a card. Activate only as a sorcery.
1/3

[misty geyser]

6 mana to discard a single card seems not great

[dense wadi]

I like that Tinybones denies them value from their discards even if you never theft them

[misty geyser]

I do run [[bottomless pit]] which has proven really good

[dense wadi]

Assuming you have other discard sources

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/sth/51/bottomless-pit

Bottomless Pit <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player discards a card at random.
"I'm sure it came with the place. I don't think you build one on purpose." —Gerrard

[misty geyser]

Bottomless pit is actually really insanely good because most of my individual cards are good so I don't have to worry about getting screwed by discarding an important piece

[dense wadi]

Yeah I wouldn’t use Bones as my only source

I mostly like that he denies rival grave users any value

That requires a base amount of discard tho to be worth.

[misty geyser]

I think [[dauthi voidwalker]] is a little more potent here

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/176/dauthi-voidwalker

Dauthi Voidwalker <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Dauthi Rogue
Shadow (This creature can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.)
If a card would be put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, instead exile it with a void counter on it.
, Sacrifice this creature: Choose an exiled card an opponent owns with a void counter on it. You may play it this turn without paying its mana cost.
3/2

[misty geyser]

It can also swing in really well

I don't necessarily care about the card advantech of tinybones so much as I do hating on their graveyard

[dense wadi]

Very fair

What’s your opinion on Aclazotz by the way?

[misty geyser]

I had him in the deck for a LONG time

But 5 mana and having to wait a turn cycle to get the same thing as a 3 mana planeswalker can do the turn it comes down is bad EV

[sharp garden]

I quite like Valki

Basically discard

[dense wadi]

Fair I suppose.

What’s your feelings on one time discard sources?

[misty geyser]

Not a fan as they don’t apply pressure on hand size so much as reusable ones, but if you have good suggestions I’d still hear them

[dense wadi]

I think in the world of wider hand denial cards like [[bandit talent]] and [[hopeless nightmare]] can hit hands and then provide additional value towards strangling opponents. [[arterial flow]] (even without a vamp]] and [[delirium skeins]] can leave opponents rapidly hellbent faster than Lili can.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/83/bandits-talent

Bandit's Talent <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When this Class enters, each opponent discards two cards unless they discard a nonland card.
: Level 2
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, if that player has one or fewer cards in hand, they lose 2 life.
: Level 3
At the beginning of your draw step, draw an additional card for each opponent who has one or fewer cards in hand.

https://scryfall.com/card/woe/95/hopeless-nightmare

Hopeless Nightmare <:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, each opponent discards a card and loses 2 life.
When this enchantment is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, scry 2.
: Sacrifice this enchantment.

https://scryfall.com/card/rix/62/arterial-flow

Arterial Flow <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Each opponent discards two cards. If you control a Vampire, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life.
"It is impious to admit, but I do enjoy pirate blood. Something in the salty tang of it, the spice of rebellion."

https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/65/delirium-skeins

Delirium Skeins <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Each player discards three cards.
There came a rush, a sudden fire in the mind. Then the two saw only the sooty fog of madness, heard only the crackling of their last thoughts burning away.

[misty geyser]

Thoughts on [[syphon mind]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/772/syphon-mind

Syphon Mind <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Each other player discards a card. You draw a card for each card discarded this way.
When tempers run high, it's easy to lose your head.

[misty geyser]

I do like bandit’s talent

[dense wadi]

Syphon Mind is a great card imo, was concerned it might be too high mana curve for your needs

The Syphon series of cards is an old favorite of mine

[dense wadi]

I think it’s the peak of the four I sent there

[frail flare]

Bandit's talent is great

[hushed tapir]

“Modern Jund” in my head is efficient threats/answers and 2-for-1’s

A good commander card emulating modern jund vibes would be [[windgrace judgement]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/129/windgraces-judgment

Windgrace's Judgment <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
For any number of opponents, destroy target nonland permanent that player controls.
Not all who remember Urza do so with fondness.

[misty geyser]

I could also be thinking like casualties of war and decimate

Deck did okay today, but it really really struggles when other deck start popping off/playing “unfair”

[hushed tapir]

Imo I prefer [[urgent necropsy]] over decimate just because of the flexibility/less chance of getting got

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/240/urgent-necropsy

Urgent Necropsy <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, collect evidence X, where X is the total mana value of the permanents this spell targets.
Destroy up to one target artifact, up to one target creature, up to one target enchantment, and up to one target planeswalker.
"The Golgari can read the dead like a newspaper." —Taboro of the Foundway Associates

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/s82GnHicPkOIcpI9TXTXQQ

@coarse drift If you're interested in slapping something together

Big boomer energy here

Also @dense wadi Because there's a LOT of discard present in this idea

Y'know, I think I should run a TON of lands

Like

50 lands

and lots of ways to get more lands

[sick locust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649289198313930752/1349530327768633496/Cameron_cannot_remember_Jund.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649289198313930752/1349530460774076457/Cameron_cannot_remember_Jund_2.gif

[hushed tapir]

Gives you lots of space for stuff like the NEO Channel lands

[hushed tapir]

[[pick your poison | mkm]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/170/pick-your-poison

Pick Your Poison <:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Choose one —
• Each opponent sacrifices an artifact of their choice.
• Each opponent sacrifices an enchantment of their choice.
• Each opponent sacrifices a creature with flying of their choice.
A reliable, general-purpose toxin is a handy way to save on belt space.

[dense wadi]

I like the track you're on, looks like a neat deck. Atm i'm too sleep minded to suggest any changes but I'll keep watching the thread

[misty geyser]

Oh the neo channel lands make it into every deck I build

I like pick your poison

[misty geyser]

Okay, so nelly borca

https://edhrec.com/commanders/nelly-borca-impulsive-accuser

Hmm

[sick locust]

here

lemme know if you wanna look at my list

[frail flare]

[[Hot pursuit]] and [[prisoners dilemma]] have been the most impactful non-specifically goad cards

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/32/hot-pursuit

Hot Pursuit <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, suspect target creature an opponent controls. As long as this enchantment remains on the battlefield, that creature is also goaded.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if two or more players have lost the game, gain control of all goaded and/or suspected creatures until end of turn. Untap them. They gain haste until end of turn.

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/34/prisoners-dilemma

Prisoner's Dilemma <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each opponent secretly chooses silence or snitch, then the choices are revealed. If each opponent chose silence, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 4 damage to each of them. If each opponent chose snitch, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 8 damage to each of them. Otherwise, Prisoner's Dilemma deals 12 damage to each opponent who chose silence.
Flashback

[misty geyser]

I would

[sick locust]

[[argus kos]]

[grand hinge]

No card found for “argus kos”

[sick locust]

https://moxfield.com/decks/DMroDqPcek-8yhVtjGn6Rw

[sick locust]

shit

[[agrus kos]]

[grand hinge]

Multiple cards match “agrus kos”, can you be more specific?

[sick locust]

oh come on

[misty geyser]

Interesting that you have so little ramp

[frail flare]

[[Argus kos]]

[grand hinge]

No card found for “Argus kos”

[frail flare]

...

[sick locust]

most of it is treasures

also speaking from experience Keeper of the Accord gets out of hand, tho only grabs plains

[dense wadi]

there's 3 Kos people

[frail flare]

There are 3 Argus, that's the problem

Yeah

[sick locust]

[[spirit of justice]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/184/agrus-kos-spirit-of-justice

Agrus Kos, Spirit of Justice <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Spirit Detective
Double strike, vigilance
Whenever Agrus Kos enters or attacks, choose up to one target creature. If it's suspected, exile it. Otherwise, suspect it. (A suspected creature has menace and can't block.)
"Eventually I'll give retirement another shot. But not today."
2/4

[dense wadi]

living, ghost and also ghost

[sick locust]

there we go

[frail flare]

Original, jumpstart and mkm

[sick locust]

was happy to slam this into the deck

[frail flare]

I've not seen a lot of variety in Nelly decks

[sick locust]

but yeah there's a lot of fun spells that really drove me to wanting to make Nelly

Agrus (above)
Take the Bait
Taunt from the Rampart
Windcrag Siege
Vows
Forth Erolingas! (didn't need to be this but I knew I wanted it in the deck anyways)

[misty geyser]

That's also one thing that has dissuaged me in the past

I wonder if Nelly herself is enough goad for the table in a game

[frail flare]

In order to not need to run anything else?

[misty geyser]

Right, mostly to not require having to find multiple sources of goad

[frail flare]

I've never seen anyone not use additional goad

[misty geyser]

Because if I have to find multiple sources to reliably slow my opponents then I'm basically just building a goad deck

Which is not what I want to do

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/hJXbeQR91UWEf35F49efTg

This is what I get for watching Tumblr deep dives until 3am

[misty geyser]

I think Commander Liara Portyr is the best way to do nontoken creature aggro in boros?

Maybe I just do Mardu with tymna and some red partner

[dense wadi]

Why Liara specifically?

[misty geyser]

Draws cards mostly

Tymna style effects are the best to have in the command zone for this kind of aggro imo

The cost reduction is gravy

Since the curve would tend to avg out at 2-3

Hmmmmmm...... [[Amber Gristle O' Maul]] and [[Noble Heritage]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/159/amber-gristle-omaul

Amber Gristle O'Maul <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Cleric
Haste
Whenever Amber Gristle O'Maul attacks, you may discard your hand. If you do, draw a card for each player being attacked.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/3

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/35/noble-heritage

Noble Heritage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "When this creature enters and at the beginning of your upkeep, each player may put two +1/+1 counters on a creature they control. For each opponent who does, you gain protection from that player until your next turn." (You can't be targeted, dealt damage, or enchanted by anything controlled by that player.)

[misty geyser]

@still needle Don't you have a Tymna//Jeska deck? Am I remembering that right?

[still needle]

Not meeeee

[misty geyser]

Rip, i don’t remember who ahd that

[frail flare]

Was it Pontus?

I'm finding a deleted user referencing jt

Pontiff

Pontiff is so deleted that his moxfield is gone

[sick locust]

Damn

[frail flare]

Yeah

I can't imagine doing all that so I hope he's OK

[sick locust]

Yeah

[hushed tapir]

Damn

[misty geyser]

I know I'm jumping around a lot but back on my Jund deck, there's something I didn't realize before - I did the math on the amount of discard in the "typical" jund midrange list in modern, and it came out to about 16% discard effects

Which means I'd be running roughly 16 discard effects if I want to be similar to that

Which is.... way, way more than even the most discard focused version I've run

Of course those were all one offs vs. most of mine likely being repeatable, save for 4x lotv

[frail flare]

These are hand attack discard effects?

[misty geyser]

Yeah

Well, a mix

[frail flare]

And this is https://moxfield.com/decks/KzTxzHT21EyO6ELrQKQxsA

[sharp garden]

I guess I run 12 discard effects in mine, so that's about right

[frail flare]

The one thing I'd say is that I think this deck works but I also think it's 3 different decks

[misty geyser]

Thoughtsieze, Inquisition, for the hand attack and lotv for general discard in the modern deck

[misty geyser]

It does tend to be that, yeah. I noticed it was like a weird mix of ramp, discard, and stompy and control

[frail flare]

• land retrace
• value stompy
• "memories of jund"

[misty geyser]

The land retracing is mostly just to set up a few engines

[frail flare]

Yeah

[misty geyser]

Windgrace himself lets me ramp every turn

[frail flare]

I wonder if you want to sort of combine some of it into land crimes?

[misty geyser]

I kinda want to drive it more control

If we utilize lands to do that, great

Like I was considering adding W6 because it's a pseudo crucible that pings dorks and if it ults I can just retrace removal over and over

[frail flare]

By land crimes I mean kind of more reanimator theft oriented

Just because windgrace can steal discarded lands from the gy

This deck wants [[aclazotz, deepest betrayal]] a lot

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/88/aclazotz-deepest-betrayal-temple-of-the-dead

Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Bat God
Flying, lifelink
Whenever Aclazotz attacks, each opponent discards a card. For each opponent who can't, you draw a card.
Whenever an opponent discards a land card, create a 1/1 black Bat creature token with flying.
When Aclazotz dies, return it to the battlefield tapped and transformed under its owner's control.
4/4

Temple of the Dead
Land
(Transforms from Aclazotz, Deepest Betrayal.)
: Add .
, : Transform this land. Activate only if a player has one or fewer cards in hand and only as a sorcery.
Chimil gave the Oltec peace in death. Aclazotz ripped it away.

[misty geyser]

See I had aclazotz in the deck but he felt so clunky

Like he's perfect, but 5 mana AND waiting a turn just didn't feel like it was fast enough

Especially when I can just run LotV and discard as soon as she comes down

Like all my other 5 drops do something immediately as they come down

[sharp garden]

Do you like rottenmouth viper?

[misty geyser]

I don't really have any sac fodder regularly

I like the card but I'd be hardcastingit for 6

[sharp garden]

I honestly think it's good even honestly cast tbh, but not like i cast mine

You do need sac fodder to get the best out of it though, yeah

[frail flare]

I'm working on adjustments quickly

For suggestions

[sharp garden]

I always mention it, but I really like valki for hand control

[dense wadi]

A familiar suggestion lol

[frail flare]

lol

I'm needing to cut 8 cards

[frail flare]

Bah... still needing to cut 7 but have to go back to work. This is what I have for suggestions. Cut suggestions are in the sideboard: https://moxfield.com/decks/ee-zMmOVHkOtdUNkwDpZjQ

I was trying to add more ways of getting haste and/or trample

[frail flare]

But like [[glacier godmaw]] or [[cactusfolk sureshot]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/188/glacier-godmaw

Glacier Godmaw <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Leviathan
Trample
When this creature enters, create a Lander token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this token: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.")
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain vigilance and haste until end of turn.
6/6

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/199/cactusfolk-sureshot

Cactusfolk Sureshot <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Plant Mercenary
Reach
Ward (Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, other creatures you control with power 4 or greater gain trample and haste until end of turn.
4/4

[misty geyser]

Vigilance could be good

[frail flare]

Other ways to increase the number of targets for the +1 for M&B

[[pernicious deed]] is actually one I'm proud of myself of thinking about.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/212/pernicious-deed

Pernicious Deed <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
, Sacrifice this enchantment: Destroy each artifact, creature, and enchantment with mana value X or less.
"Yawgmoth," Freyalise whispered as she set the bomb, "now you will pay for your treachery."

[frail flare]

It's something you can have as an onboard threat and can re-cast with Six

[misty geyser]

Pernicious deed is really good

Always has been

[sharp garden]

Oooh, I've never seen pernicious deed

[frail flare]

It used to be really expensive

But it fell out of favor

[[$pernicious deed]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/212/pernicious-deed

Prices for Pernicious Deed

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[misty geyser]

It's mostly used in PW decks now

[frail flare]

Yeah, that's definitely true

I think with high mv decks it really has a place though

Even just activating it for 2-3 can do very little to your board while decimating others

[sharp garden]

My friend just made a golgari superfriends deck, so maybe I'll show him it

Does seem great in PW decks

[frail flare]

@misty geyser so, I was looking at lists of people from my store and I found one that I thought you might find interesting from a more historically oriented jund list, just farther back https://moxfield.com/decks/xHt9ML_E8kygItANWtSYkw

[sharp garden]

No bloodbraid

unfollowed

[frail flare]

It's clearly more oriented on pre-bloodbraid jund

[sharp garden]

That's just a lands deck really though

I know lands are midrange, but it doesn't really evoke the same idea IMO

[frail flare]

It's when you get down to like [[primal order]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/me1/125/primal-order

Primal Order <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, this enchantment deals damage to that player equal to the number of nonbasic lands they control.
"It's strange, but I can feel it when the land is corrupted. I understand why the Autumn Willow is so protective." —Daria

[sharp garden]

Unrelated, but boy did windgrace price spike with EOE

[misty geyser]

Jund blood moon is funny

Definitely seems like a nonbasic hate deck

[misty geyser]

This is my thinking

It's hard to find the line here between "this is Jund midrange" and "this is just a landfall deck" in commander lol

[frail flare]

Which is old jund

[misty geyser]

Checks out

[sharp garden]

Did old jund use anything other than PoP though?

[misty geyser]

I'm sure it used a couple stone rains

If it could

[sharp garden]

Fair. I guess I just mostly think of tarmogoyfs and lightning bolts

[frail flare]

[[destructive flow]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pls/102/destructive-flow

Destructive Flow <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player sacrifices a nonbasic land of their choice.
Stage two of the Phyrexian invasion included the complete alteration of Dominaria's landscape.

[misty geyser]

But does tarmogoyf die to lightning bolt

Real questions here

[misty geyser]

okay wait I love that

[sharp garden]

I got a copy for my hearthhull deck

[misty geyser]

Man if only my play group was cool with nonbasic hate

They get REAL upset at the idea

[sharp garden]

I basically just run pop

[misty geyser]

PoP is certainly the least offensive

[frail flare]

If you were going wider there was [[mercadia's downfall]] too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/205/mercadias-downfall

Mercadia's Downfall <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Each attacking creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn for each nonbasic land defending player controls.
With an explosion that shook the foundation of the city, the Weatherlight burst from the underground hangar.

[misty geyser]

Tbh mercadia's downfall is good generally

Sure, I'll give my two unblocked dudes +5/+0

[sharp garden]

No trample though, sad

If I'm pumping, I also want to add trample tbh

[misty geyser]

Eh, if you get through with just a couple things that can still be huge damage

[frail flare]

Sometimes you don't need to add trample becuase you just want it to be a board wipe

[misty geyser]

That too - make your dudes big enough and they won't survive a second swing

[sharp garden]

Hard to justify a slot still imo

[misty geyser]

Yeahhhhhhh.... problem with the idea for my deck is that it's basically just goodstuff with a focus more on flexibility and reosurce denial

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/tulEjX2vP0yL7GkjC4sMXg

So I mentioned this yesterday but I wanted to get y'all's thoughts

basically the same as my tempo deck but more aggro focused

[misty geyser]

I’m tackling an idea for Alphinaud and Alisaie Leveilleur

Mostly flurry stuff, but also with a relatively higher curve

It’s like bumbleflower, but no green, no +1/+1 counters, no flying, but significantly more ramp

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/eu9-6jeYxkqJAPCptyjVBw

i need like 9 cuts

[frail flare]

I'm trying to parse this list

[[frogify]] should be [[amphibian downpour]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/52/frogify

Frogify <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature loses all abilities and is a blue Frog creature with base power and toughness 1/1. (It loses all other card types and creature types.)
That gnat was still hovering by the venison, and now both looked delicious.

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/51/amphibian-downpour

Amphibian Downpour <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Flash
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn. You may choose new targets for the copies. Copies become tokens.)
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature loses all abilities and is a blue Frog creature with base power and toughness 1/1.

[misty geyser]

Oh shoot I meant to do [[polymorphist’s jest]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c17/90/polymorphists-jest

Polymorphist's Jest <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Until end of turn, each creature target player controls loses all abilities and becomes a blue Frog with base power and toughness 1/1.
"The flies were bothering me." —Jalira, master polymorphist

[misty geyser]

but amphibian downpour works better tbh

[frail flare]

[[xerex strobe knight]] just feels fine

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/85/xerex-strobe-knight

Xerex Strobe-Knight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Knight
Flying, vigilance
: Create a 2/2 white and blue Knight creature token with vigilance. Activate only if you've cast two or more spells this turn.
Phyrexia broke the laws of reality to invade the planes. On Xerex, reality merely bent around the invaders.
2/2

[misty geyser]

Yeah I’m better off making prowess or flying tokens

[frail flare]

I don't love [[the eternity elevator]] here

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/241/the-eternity-elevator

The Eternity Elevator <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Legendary Artifact — Spacecraft
: Add .
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Spacecraft. Station only as a sorcery.)
STATION 20+
: Add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of charge counters on The Eternity Elevator.

[misty geyser]

Hmm

I was thinking big rock for lots of spells but two a turn is more important

[frail flare]

[[unstoppable plan]] would need to be paired with it I think in order to comfortably get it stationed

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dft/72/unstoppable-plan

Unstoppable Plan <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, untap all nonland permanents you control.
Jace knew that if he just had time to explain his plan, he would find support. Unfortunately, time was in short supply.

[frail flare]

or [[white plume adventurer]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/49/white-plume-adventurer

White Plume Adventurer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Orc Cleric
When this creature enters, you take the initiative.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, untap a creature you control. If you've completed a dungeon, untap all creatures you control instead.
3/3

[misty geyser]

To leave blockers up?

[frail flare]

And mana rocks

So, I'm seeing it as you have sort of two mechanisms working here

You have draw and tokens

[misty geyser]

Yeah, flurry makes tokens and draws and the second draw is for when I flurry too

[frail flare]

Teferi's ultimate gets you there, but you need to get him to that ultimate

Tragic arrogance feels like a lot unless you're trying to only teferi's protection before it

[[aminatou's augury]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/71/aminatous-augury

Aminatou's Augury <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Exile the top eight cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield. Until end of turn, for each nonland card type, you may cast a spell of that type from among the exiled cards without paying its mana cost.

[frail flare]

I'm wondering if it should be there over the dragon. But that may just be me having problems with dragons

Know that the token doubling doesn't work for the token created for any spell Taigam copies

[misty geyser]

Yeah, I know about that. I actually took taigam out bc I don’t think it’ll be as helpful as I think

[frail flare]

I just refreshed

[misty geyser]

I feel like I’m not running enough 2mv rocks

[frail flare]

I don't know if the timing is right for proft's

[misty geyser]

Though I could run some 3mv

[frail flare]

Because you're drawing most of your cards after combat

[misty geyser]

Not necessarily

[frail flare]

OK, rephrasing, if I was piloting a deck like this I'd probably be drawing most of my cards during or after combat

[misty geyser]

OH

Is this an approach deck?

Can I pivot it to an approach deck

[frail flare]

It might be on [[reprieve]] over counterspell

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/26/reprieve

Reprieve <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Return target spell to its owner's hand.
Draw a card.
As Faramir and Éowyn stood so, their hands met and clasped, though they did not know it.

[frail flare]

I could see it being approach

It would definitely want to be on reprieve then

To reprieve your own copy

Rather than letting it resolve

[misty geyser]

True

I can pitch the idea of running a lot of counters stuff, maybe making bodies for protection but that’s it

More removal, tutors for approach

[frail flare]

Hero of dominaria feels wrong

From a vibes check

[[subtlety]] has never worked for me

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/67/subtlety

Subtlety <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Elemental Incarnation
Flash
Flying
When this creature enters, choose up to one target creature spell or planeswalker spell. Its owner puts it on their choice of the top or bottom of their library.
Evoke—Exile a blue card from your hand.
3/3

[frail flare]

It's just so narrow

Even if it can be free

Just hitting a creature or a planeswalker spell on the stack is just... fine?

[misty geyser]

Fair

[misty geyser]

It allows to hold up counter magic, tucks a creature and draws cards

Plus with the 2 cost reduction it’s insanely good

[frail flare]

No, I get that. I'm just trying to figure out vibes

Thoughts on [[skrelv, defector]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/one/33/skrelv-defector-mite

Skrelv, Defector Mite <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Mite
Toxic 1 (Players dealt combat damage by this creature also get a poison counter.)
Skrelv can't block.
, : Choose a color. Another target creature you control gains toxic 1 and hexproof from that color until end of turn. It can't be blocked by creatures of that color this turn. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
1/1

[frail flare]

As a cheap legend

[misty geyser]

Maybe

I might as well run mother though

Oh, [[slash the ranks]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/47/slash-the-ranks

Slash the Ranks <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures and planeswalkers except for commanders.
The generals each surveyed their devastated forces. Then, slowly, they turned to each other and raised their swords.

[frail flare]

I was just looking at louisoix

[misty geyser]

It’s still 1 mana if it’s my second spell which is neat

[frail flare]

Yeah, also mox amber. Which is a cheap second spell but skrelv means it can tap earlh

Also retake the initiative

But yeah, mom is also good

I think the list is close now

I know you want to have more lands but I've found less as being OK.

Depending on your draw tempo

[misty geyser]

Yeah, I’m thinking 35 is a good number

I’m at the point where I can swap instead of remove

[frail flare]

Yeah

[misty geyser]

Well, I wasn't expecting an upgrade for Esper this new set

[sick locust]

Oh?

[misty geyser]

Spider-Woman

Card is cracked

[sharp garden]

Hell yeah

[misty geyser]

2 mana 2/2 flier attached to a blind obedience?

Beautiful

It also gets slam dunked into mono u tempo in canlander

[sharp garden]

Immediately going into my legendary hatebear deck

[misty geyser]

What's the commander?

[sharp garden]

Spongebob

[sick locust]

Tbf we also got a sidegraded Birgi and Urabrask

[misty geyser]

Blech

But legendary hatebears is a funny idea

[sick locust]

Do General Kudro and suddenly its a “hates bears” deck…

:p

[sharp garden]

I just thought Spongebob being annoying would be very funny

I hardly ever win with the deck tbh, nor do I get to take advantage of jodah stuff tbh

It's also a gates deck too lol

[misty geyser]

Oh I definitely got the reasoning behind spongebob

I'm just disappointed

[sharp garden]

Understandable

I could just swap it out with the wandering misntrel and it would be the same deck

[misty geyser]

Okay so

[[gloria the great armorer]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/om1/138/araña-heart-of-the-spider

Gloria, the Great Armorer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Whenever you attack, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature.
Whenever a modified creature you control deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
3/3

[misty geyser]

Or [[araña]] blech

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/spm/123/araña-heart-of-the-spider

Araña, Heart of the Spider <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Whenever you attack, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature.
Whenever a modified creature you control deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
3/3

[misty geyser]

I’m probably gonna go my classic tempo route

I can do the impulse draw path instead

Nah actually +1/+1 counters

So i can accelerate the aggro more

Training and mentor go well here

[sharp garden]

Is there much for +1s in broos?

[misty geyser]

Is that a real question

[sharp garden]

Yeah, I try to avoid boros like the plague

[misty geyser]

Yeah before green got everything boros was, like, the de facto aggro colors

Both in bodies and counters

[sharp garden]

Ah. I always associate green with counters, but I'm also very new.

[misty geyser]

So the idea of the deck I think is gonna be like 4 or 5 creatures all putting +1/+1 counters on each other

Mentor, training, gloria and co. combining to make big bois quick

[sharp garden]

[[prairie dog]] is kinda neat as payoff for impulse drawing

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/24/prairie-dog

Prairie Dog <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Squirrel
Lifelink
At the beginning of your end step, if you haven't cast a spell from your hand this turn, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
: Until end of turn, if you would put one or more +1/+1 counters on a creature you control, put that many plus one +1/+1 counters on it instead.
2/2

[misty geyser]

I really like [[aegis of the legion]] here

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/22/aegis-of-the-legion

Aegis of the Legion <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has mentor. (Whenever it attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature with lesser power.)
Whenever equipped creature mentors a creature, put a shield counter on that creature. (If that creature would be dealt damage or destroyed, remove a shield counter from it instead.)
Equip

[misty geyser]

Yeah J like that too

[[lion sash]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/neo/26/lion-sash

Lion Sash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Equipment Cat
: Exile target card from a graveyard. If it was a permanent card, put a +1/+1 counter on this permanent.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each +1/+1 counter on this Equipment.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
1/1

[sharp garden]

I like Lion Sash

[misty geyser]

There were some jumpstart cards that are insane

Uh

OH

MY GOD

[[agrus kos eternal]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/j22/1/agrus-kos-eternal-soldier

Agrus Kos, Eternal Soldier <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Spirit Soldier
Vigilance
Whenever Agrus Kos becomes the target of an ability that targets only it, you may pay . If you do, copy that ability for each other creature you control that ability could target. Each copy targets a different one of those creatures. ( can be paid with either or .)
3/4

[misty geyser]

hell yes

[sharp garden]

[hushed tapir]

https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A"%2B1%2F%2B1+counter"+ci%3Aboros+f%3Dcommander+game%3Apaper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name

[misty geyser]

I might brew up [[Falco spara]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/186/falco-spara-pactweaver

Falco Spara, Pactweaver <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Demon
Flying, trample
Falco Spara enters with a shield counter on it.
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast spells from the top of your library by removing a counter from a creature you control in addition to paying their other costs.
3/3

[misty geyser]

he is significantly more powerful than I’d expect him to be

Could just straight up replace tidus too though

[frail flare]

He's one I haven't seen built much at all

[misty geyser]

He is shockingly powerful

[frail flare]

Oh, I know. Future sight effects are silly good

[misty geyser]

Had a friend build it and switched the commander to tidus as a way to power it down

Well, especially if it’s not restricted

I like [[errant and giada]] but their restriction severely limits what goes in the deck and how often they are used

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/224/errant-and-giada

Errant and Giada <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Angel
Flash
Flying
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast spells with flash or flying from the top of your library.
2/3

[frail flare]

You also get access to stuff like [[vizier of the menagerie]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fdn/649/vizier-of-the-menagerie

Vizier of the Menagerie <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Snake Cleric
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
You can spend mana of any type to cast creature spells.
3/4

[misty geyser]

Yeah, I probably wouldn’t double up in spara though

[frail flare]

Assuming he gets removed. But it does allow for the mana fixing

"can spend mana of any type to cast"

Depending on how creature heavy (if at all)

[misty geyser]

True

[lusty cloud]

I would like to see the finished list 🙂 I also build him with most of the stuff which I used for Ms. Bumble.

[misty geyser]

I have another idea for a bracket 1 deck

I really wanna build Kefka, but people don’t like how oppressive he is in a normal game

So I might just play him as a chaos commander, themed entirely around clowns and minigames

[frail flare]

How do stickers work on DFCs

[misty geyser]

They stay, I think?

[sharp garden]

Yeah I think stickers are on the card regardless of form or zone

Are you going to use the clown sticker umaru?

[misty geyser]

That’d be cool

[misty geyser]

https://moxfield.com/decks/h6t1xjIAOEiIZj6_XAdwMQ

Here’s what I’ve got so far

[sharp garden]

[[possibility storm]] is fun, but may be too much

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/34/possibility-storm

Possibility Storm <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell from their hand, that player exiles it, then exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a card that shares a card type with it. That player may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then they put all cards exiled with this enchantment on the bottom of their library in a random order.

[sharp garden]

[[eye of the storm]] is probably too much, but I could see being fun

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/rav/48/eye-of-the-storm

Eye of the Storm <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery card, exile it. Then that player copies each instant or sorcery card exiled with this enchantment. For each copy, the player may cast the copy without paying its mana cost.

[sharp garden]

I also like [[chaos wand]] and [[wand of wonder]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/254/chaos-wand

Chaos Wand <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
, : Target opponent exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile an instant or sorcery card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put the exiled cards that weren't cast this way on the bottom of that library in a random order.

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/204/wand-of-wonder

Wand of Wonder <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Artifact
, : Roll a d20. Each opponent exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile an instant or sorcery card, then shuffles the rest into their library. You may cast up to X instant and/or sorcery spells from among cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.
1—9 | X is one.
10—19 | X is two.
20 | X is three.

[misty geyser]

Oh i like those last two

Thank you

And along that vein, grima

[sharp garden]

[[plargg and nassari]] is similar too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/18/plargg-and-nassari

Plargg and Nassari <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Orc Efreet
At the beginning of your upkeep, each player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card. An opponent chooses a nonland card exiled this way. You may cast up to two spells from among the other cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.
5/4

[misty geyser]

Hell yes

And etali

[sharp garden]

^^

[misty geyser]

Should I run “regular” ramp?

Or is that not on vibe

I’m running bucknard’s purse and rakdos signet because

Yknow

[sharp garden]

I don't think regular ramp is really on theme

[[treasure nabber]] is the goat though

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/265/treasure-nabber

Treasure Nabber <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Rogue
Whenever an opponent taps an artifact for mana, gain control of that artifact until the end of your next turn.
The Law of Givesies Backsies is respected by every noble pursuer of shiny things.
3/2

[sharp garden]

I also really like [[planar chaos]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/jud/97/planar-chaos

Planar Chaos <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, flip a coin. If you lose the flip, sacrifice this enchantment.
Whenever a player casts a spell, that player flips a coin. If they lose the flip, counter that spell.

[sharp garden]

[[confusion in the ranks]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/87/confusion-in-the-ranks

Confusion in the Ranks <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever an artifact, creature, or enchantment enters, its controller chooses target permanent another player controls that shares a card type with it. Exchange control of those permanents.

[sharp garden]

A lot of chaos effects are just super disruptive, but hey, that's part of chaos I guess

[[hive mind]] too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m10/54/hive-mind

Hive Mind <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts an instant or sorcery spell, each other player copies that spell. Each of those players may choose new targets for their copy.
"All consciousness is one, separated only by a thin veil of the physical." —Jace Beleren

[sharp garden]

Add in [[perplexing chimera]] too!

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/bng/48/perplexing-chimera

Perplexing Chimera <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Chimera
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may exchange control of this creature and that spell. If you do, you may choose new targets for the spell. (If the spell becomes a permanent, you control that permanent.)
3/3

[misty geyser]

Hmmm

I’m thinking of revamping [[Olivia outlaw]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/2/olivia-opulent-outlaw

Olivia, Opulent Outlaw <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Assassin
Flying, lifelink
Whenever one or more outlaws you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token. (Assassins, Mercenaries, Pirates, Rogues, and Warlocks are outlaws.)
, Sacrifice two Treasures: Put two +1/+1 counters on each creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3

[misty geyser]

She’s just rad

[tired wind]

she is cool

[misty geyser]

Plus we keep getting more and more neat outlaws

Maybe i just do the funny things over the powerful things

But i do want to run Necropotence and necrodom bc fun

[long ridge]

I have an Olivia deck which feels surprisingly good

But I still prefer Vihaan

https://moxfield.com/decks/P4mOHFLYA0yf9qNqfNA30A

[misty geyser]

Here’s what I had back in april of last year https://moxfield.com/decks/jL4ZmPlAnkuKwEo6yE1mgw

[lusty cloud]

Is here anybody with a Will the Wise and Lucas, the Sharpshooter partner Deck and could help me with an Decklist or share his? 🙂

[dense wadi]

Seems like kind of a weird question to ask in someone else’s deckbuilding thread

[misty geyser]

Idk which ones those are but i haven’t really messed with the stranger things cards

[lusty cloud]

If it is inappropriate @misty geyser please let me know 🙂
Just thought since there are a lot active people I could throw it in 🙂

Didn't want to cut any running discussion ❤️

[dense wadi]

I mean I’m not the thread police it just seems like something to post in #commander where the general populace is rather than a thread about helping Umaru

🤷‍♀️

[sick locust]

Tbf people have posted stuff in my thread if it was something for me to maybe look at, but that’s not necessarily something everyone should do

[misty geyser]

Idc really

[frail flare]

It sort of is heavily contextual (ex: sharing a list to help the person vs asking them for help with your list)

And is dependent on the person who made the thread's wishes.

[sick locust]

mhmm

[misty geyser]

Anyway, thoughts on my olivia deck?

It def needs to replace the dockside

[frail flare]

You could just put Vihaan back in

[misty geyser]

I think breeches doesn’t do as much as I want it to?

[frail flare]

[[vihaan, the gold]]

[grand hinge]

No card found for “vihaan, the gold”

[misty geyser]

That’s true

[frail flare]

[[vihaan]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/8/vihaan-goldwaker

Vihaan, Goldwaker <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Dwarf Warlock
Other outlaws you control have vigilance and haste. (Assassins, Mercenaries, Pirates, Rogues, and Warlocks are outlaws.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, you may have Treasures you control become 3/3 Construct Assassin artifact creatures in addition to their other types until end of turn.
3/3

[misty geyser]

Wait he’s already in the deck

[frail flare]

I'm blind

[misty geyser]

I wanna add bitterbloom bearer too

[frail flare]

[[all fates stalker]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/3/all-fates-stalker

All-Fates Stalker <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Drix Assassin
When this creature enters, exile up to one target non-Assassin creature until this creature leaves the battlefield.
Warp (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
"You again?"
2/3

[frail flare]

[[claim jumper]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/8/claim-jumper

Claim Jumper <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Rabbit Mercenary
Vigilance
When this creature enters, if an opponent controls more lands than you, you may search your library for a Plains card and put it onto the battlefield tapped. Then if an opponent controls more lands than you, repeat this process once. If you search your library this way, shuffle.
3/3

[misty geyser]

I like all fates

I was also considering [[timeline culler]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/121/timeline-culler

Timeline Culler <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Drix Warlock
Haste
You may cast this card from your graveyard using its warp ability.
Warp—, Pay 2 life. (You may cast this card from your hand or graveyard for its warp cost. If you do, exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
2/2

[misty geyser]

gets in early

[frail flare]

Yep

Comes back well too

Outside baseball suggestion based on tokens [[teysa karlov]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/359/teysa-karlov

Teysa Karlov <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
If a creature dying causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Creature tokens you control have vigilance and lifelink.
While Kaya is guildmaster, Teysa waits patiently at the center of the Orzhov web of power.
2/4

[misty geyser]

I should also prolly run the new elspeth over anointed procession yeah?

[frail flare]

Probably

I'm just looking at my Vihaan in comparison to your Olivia for ideas. I know they're different decks but there are similarities

[dense wadi]

My outlaw deck is Rakdos lizards so pretty far off the mark

[misty geyser]

Thoughts on [[angelic sell sword]]? Draw engine on a good sized body but 5 mana is a good chunk in mardu

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/10/angelic-sell-sword

Angelic Sell-Sword <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel Mercenary
Flying, vigilance
Whenever this creature or another nontoken creature you control enters, create a 1/1 red Mercenary creature token with ": Target creature you control gets +1/+0 until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery."
Whenever this creature attacks, if its power is 6 or greater, draw a card.
4/4

[misty geyser]

I kinda wanna add lizard man back in for the funsies

I have the game day promo one

[dense wadi]

Jasper is a funny guy

I like sell sword ftr, if having a lot of mercs is part of the plan it’s nice

[misty geyser]

Hmmm… i still like prosper being in here too

Oh ew clever concealment

[frail flare]

I'm still running it but I'm also running the convoke enchantment

[misty geyser]

Get that out of here

[frail flare]

[[we ride at dawn]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/12/we-ride-at-dawn

We Ride at Dawn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Legendary creature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a legendary creature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Whenever your commander attacks, create a 1/1 red Mercenary creature token with ": Target creature you control gets +1/+0 until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery."

[misty geyser]

Not bad

[frail flare]

You cut it from the original list, but the angel is better because of it

[misty geyser]

True, I wonder how many legends I have tho

To see if it’s worth it

[frail flare]

15 without Olivia

[misty geyser]

I count 16

Ah

17 if you include olivia

[frail flare]

What am I missing

[misty geyser]

Massacre girl maybe?

I know I miss legends if they don’t have commas in their name

Oh wait it’s 16 including olivia

[dense wadi]

17 is a fairly significant amount

[misty geyser]

My bad

One sec

I’m looking at all the options for legends I could add

Assassin’s creed added a bunch

https://scryfall.com/search?q=is%3Aoutlaw+id%3Amardu+date>2024-04-01

This was since I last updated the deck before this

[frail flare]

https://moxfield.com/decks/QcaR4nwF7UirX0q6LqB0kw

[misty geyser]

I could transfer to a legends subtheme

That’d give me a lot of other cool cards to add

Like [[arbaaz mir]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/46/arbaaz-mir

Arbaaz Mir <:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin
Whenever Arbaaz Mir or another nontoken historic permanent you control enters, Arbaaz Mir deals 1 damage to each opponent and you gain 1 life. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
"Until you have found a cause worth fighting for, you cannot know what you will sacrifice for it."
2/2

[dense wadi]

Arbaaz is a cool guy

I also am very partial to the couple

[[aya alexandria]] [[bayek siwa]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/229/aya-of-alexandria

Aya of Alexandria <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin
Menace, lifelink
Whenever a historic creature you control deals combat damage to a player, create a 1/1 black Assassin creature token with menace. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
". . . and our blades shall never tire."
4/3

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/231/bayek-of-siwa

Bayek of Siwa <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin
Double strike
During your turn, other historic creatures you control have double strike.
Disguise (You may cast this card face down for as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its disguise cost.)
"Our will never rests . . ."
3/4

[dense wadi]

Legendary outlaws that synergize and make more outlaws on the one end

[misty geyser]

Yeah I was looking at aya as well

And bayek is just killer

[dense wadi]

I love they

My assassin power couple

[misty geyser]

[[astarion the decadent]] could synergize with the lifelink olivia has too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/265/astarion-the-decadent

Astarion, the Decadent <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Elf Rogue
Deathtouch, lifelink
At the beginning of your end step, choose one —
• Feed — Target opponent loses life equal to the amount of life they lost this turn.
• Friends — You gain life equal to the amount of life you gained this turn.
4/4

[dense wadi]

I really need to make a deck for them someday

[misty geyser]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[[cloud midgar mercenary]] lmfao

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fin/10/cloud-midgar-mercenary

Cloud, Midgar Mercenary <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier Mercenary
When Cloud enters, search your library for an Equipment card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
As long as Cloud is equipped, if an ability of Cloud or an Equipment attached to it triggers, that ability triggers an additional time.
2/1

[misty geyser]

He’s an outlaw, which iirc is on flavor

[frail flare]

[[sami, wildcat]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/eoe/226/sami-wildcat-captain

Sami, Wildcat Captain <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer Rogue
Double strike, vigilance
Spells you cast have affinity for artifacts. (They cost less to cast for each artifact you control.)
"The hard way it is."
4/4

[dense wadi]

I don’t know that it fits ftr but I feel the need to mention that [[Raven Eagle]] is an outlaw

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tla/116/raven-eagle

Raven Eagle <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Bird Assassin
Flying
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, exile up to one target card from a graveyard. If a creature card is exiled this way, create a Clue token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
2/3

[misty geyser]

Yeah raven eagle was kinda the reason I wanted to start looking at it again

We’ve had a ton of outlaws since OTJ

[[elena turk recruit]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/fic/18/elena-turk-recruit

Elena, Turk Recruit <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin
When Elena enters, return target non-Assassin historic card from your graveyard to your hand. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
Whenever you cast a historic spell, put a +1/+1 counter on Elena.
"Looks like talking alone won't cut it. You're going to have to feel some pain!"
1/4

[misty geyser]

Plays nice with legends matter