Umaru’s Decklist Thread

[lethal river]

So to me combos just goes hand in hand with flicker. I do like the idea of just not using combos though

[misty geyser]

We don’t care about combos, we be manually drawing our deck

[lethal river]

Makes closing out a game that much harder

[misty geyser]

We’re still winning with thoracle/lab man/jace

[frail flare]

If you go comboless then maybe you want to go with [[Galadriel of Lothlórien]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/206/galadriel-of-lothlórien

Galadriel of Lothlórien <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Whenever the Ring tempts you, if you chose a creature other than Galadriel of Lothlórien as your Ring-bearer, scry 3.
Whenever you scry, you may reveal the top card of your library. If a land card is revealed this way, put it onto the battlefield tapped.
"I pass the test. I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel."
3/3

[misty geyser]

How much scry would be enough to make it worth it though? I’m not doing it regularly

Or do you mean as the commander

[frail flare]

Either?

I saw a disgusting Galadriel deck that refused to have any deck search mechanics

There are a lot of incidental scry effects for green and blue though

[[retreat to coralhelm]] or [[season of growth]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/82/retreat-to-coralhelm

Retreat to Coralhelm <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, choose one —
• You may tap or untap target creature.
• Scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)

https://scryfall.com/card/m20/191/season-of-growth

Season of Growth <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control enters, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)
Whenever you cast a spell that targets a creature you control, draw a card.
"Awake, and lift your faces to the sun."

[lethal river]

Season of growth goes HARD in my Xyris deck.

Make 9 snakes, scry 1, 9 times?

[misty geyser]

Season of growth with this new era of targeting and making tokens in simic has certainly popped off lol

[lethal river]

and draw a card off each pump spell making them also cantrips

[misty geyser]

Galadriel does seem pretty nuts though

[frail flare]

Also best art is still [[!season of growth|wot]]

[misty geyser]

Unfortunately she doesn’t draw the card if it isn’t a land though

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/wot/61/season-of-growth

Season of Growth

[lethal river]

This is the one I play ^^

[misty geyser]

Hot

[frail flare]

[[Elligeth]]?

[grand hinge]

No card found for “Elligeth”

[frail flare]

[[eligeth]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/66/eligeth-crossroads-augur

Eligeth, Crossroads Augur <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Sphinx
Flying
If you would scry a number of cards, draw that many cards instead.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"There's no better place to divine the future than at a nexus of branching presents."
5/6

[misty geyser]

Just one L iirc

Yeh

[frail flare]

Yeah, my finger spasmed when typing

[misty geyser]

Okay, if I wanted to play OG Nadu how would I build it?

[frail flare]

[[spellskite]] effects?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/873/spellskite

Spellskite <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Horror
: Change a target of target spell or ability to Spellskite. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Let's show Vorinclex that progress doesn't always need teeth or claws." —Malcator, Executor of Synthesis
0/4

[misty geyser]

Lmao

I love that

Here’s this for reference

Oh no, I just realized spellskite is like turbo nadu in this deck

I could do “oops all problems”, sorta simic stompy? So like they target my stuff but I always get something out of it

[frail flare]

It's too bad the flag bearers are in white

[[Coalition Flag]] effects

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/apc/2/coalition-flag

Coalition Flag <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature you control
Enchanted creature is a Flagbearer.
While an opponent is choosing targets as part of casting a spell they control or activating an ability they control, that player must choose at least one Flagbearer on the battlefield if able.

[misty geyser]

If I was to just care about the flash half, how would I want to build him? I guess he doesn’t lend very well to a theme

[misty geyser]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6Thz37A570GU83LvxSd8QQ

I did it

It’s legendary typal for the funsies

[lethal river]

Aesi needs a reprint

Wtaf is that price tag

[misty geyser]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lethal river]

I like it though seems fun to me

[misty geyser]

Nuts is what it is

[misty geyser]

I like it because once Nadu is out my deck is 100% draw-go

[lethal river]

It’s like slightly better tatyova in terms of effect

[misty geyser]

Only sorcery is Ezuri’s predation

[misty geyser]

Yeah, Aesi is generally accepted as better than tatyova

Just bc extra land drop is way too good

[bronze heath]

aesi is ridiculous

even the precon is what i consider the second most powerful precon of all time

entirely due to the commander

[misty geyser]

chef’s kiss

That there is a t3 nezahal

And me promptly saying “Get fucked nerds”

[lethal river]

nezahal is a real card

im not so sure on the arixmethes as every single time i played it someone killed it before i removed the last counter

[misty geyser]

Eh, for me it’s more of a legendary ramp spell that can maybe eventually turn into a threat

[lethal river]

could just play stuff like three visits. farseek, harrow etc tho

[frail flare]

If they're killing it before you remove the last counter it means they used land destruction on it instead of something else.

[lethal river]

I love harrow and will forever advocate for it

[misty geyser]

I could, but that isn’t a legendary i can flash in with Nadu :3

[frail flare]

Harrow is fantastic

[lethal river]

Yep they were often in red and had just a card that happened to destroy target land

[misty geyser]

Plus harrow doesn’t have a 12/12 attached to it

[lethal river]

it does only cost you 1 mana and a card to get two landfall triggers though

which is big

[misty geyser]

This deck doesn’t super care about landfall tbh

Like it runs tatyova and aesi, but really only just because they’re insane draw engines on their own

[lethal river]

Simic...without landfall...its an outrage, its a scandal.

[misty geyser]

It’s legendary typal!

I never said my idea was good

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6Thz37A570GU83LvxSd8QQ

[lethal river]

do ya like creatures?

coz thats a lot of creatures

[misty geyser]

Yeh

I do

43 really isn’t that many

Above 40 and we’re starting to get a theme going though!

Usually when I say I’m doing a theme, I’m actually doing it, not half assing it and filling the rest with staples

My jeskai walkers deck (before it was cool/mainstream) had 32 planeswalkers in it

[lethal river]

My 'creature' decks have like 25-30 creatures at most. I think bumbleflower was the most creatures ive played in a long time

[hasty portal]

Just go the Scry route. It still provides true Simic Sublimeness.

[bronze heath]

Why would you pick Nadu!?!??!

[misty geyser]

I’m gonna run it as the OG design

[frail flare]

Original, tested, Nadu.

[hasty portal]

Yeva rolls in her grave

[dense wadi]

that's a cool Nadu

i'd have been excited for this one longer than five minutes

[lethal river]

Tbf if Nadu had been printed that way I’d never play it. I could just play Vedalken Orrery/Leyline of anticipation along with generic simic value commander.

[frail flare]

I'm still shocked that they claimed it was adjusted for power for edh because it was too much?

[hushed tapir]

I mean jamming half of Prophet of Kruphix and half of Leovold together IS a dangerous place to be at 3mv, I understand the hesitation

I think if it was a commander legends set it would have been costed at (3)UG with original nadu text and been fine but since it was modern horizons they pushed the cost

[dense wadi]

That’s a good sign for a cards power I think

[frail flare]

I guess? I've just never had "when your opponent targets a permanent" rules text that draw cards actually matter. But then people pay my rhystic study triggers so my experience in play is weird.

[misty geyser]

Okay but let’s be real, Leovold’s second ability was basically just gravy

That was NOT the issue on that guy

Holy hell [[rayne academy]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/uds/43/rayne-academy-chancellor

Rayne, Academy Chancellor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you or a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, you may draw a card. You may draw an additional card if Rayne, Academy Chancellor is enchanted.
1/1

[misty geyser]

Basically bannable /s

[frail flare]

Rayne is one of the "dies to elesh norn" period cards for me

[misty geyser]

Lol, yeah dies to elesh norn is definitely a real problem

But now you have [[elrond master of]]!

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/200/elrond-master-of-healing

Elrond, Master of Healing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
Whenever you scry, put a +1/+1 counter on each of up to X target creatures, where X is the number of cards looked at while scrying this way.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, you may draw a card.
4/4

[misty geyser]

What are your thoughts of running [[hakbal surging]] in OG nadu?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/3/hakbal-of-the-surging-soul

Hakbal of the Surging Soul <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Scout
At the beginning of combat on your turn, each Merfolk creature you control explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on the exploring creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
Whenever Hakbal of the Surging Soul attacks, you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield. If you don't, draw a card.
3/3

[misty geyser]

He just kinda does everything in one package

Even if it’s just him

[misty geyser]

So uh

The new zimones are nuts

The 4 drop one is 100% going into Nadu

But I wonder if the three mana one is good enough too

It is far and away the cheapest Maro thus far

[queen siren]

[[Zimone, all questioning]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/241/zimone-all-questioning

Zimone, All-Questioning <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
At the beginning of your end step, if a land entered the battlefield under your control this turn and you control a prime number of lands, create Primo, the Indivisible, a legendary 0/0 green and blue Fractal creature token, then put that many +1/+1 counters on it. (2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, and 31 are prime numbers.)
1/1

[queen siren]

She seems pretty mid to me?

[hasty portal]

Still as mid as she was yesterday to me.

[hushed tapir]

There’s also [[zimone mystery]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/8/zimone-mystery-unraveler

Zimone, Mystery Unraveler <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, manifest dread if this is the first time this ability has resolved this turn. Otherwise, you may turn a permanent you control face up. (To manifest dread, look at the top two cards of your library. Put one onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature and the other into your graveyard. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
3/3

[frail flare]

So, the thing with the 3 drop Zimone is the play pattern for her is feeling really fiddly for good or ill. A lot of sacrificing lands and sacrificing Primo.

And it's just better handled by Pir/Toothy

Who also draw you cards?

[bronze heath]

he guys, what do you think about the new [[valgavoth, harrower of souls]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/6/valgavoth-harrower-of-souls

Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Elder Demon
Flying
Ward—Pay 2 life.
Whenever an opponent loses life for the first time during each of their turns, put a +1/+1 counter on Valgavoth, Harrower of Souls and draw a card.
4/4

[bronze heath]

is it as good as ob nixilis or no?

[hushed tapir]

I would not call it as powerful as mat ob nix but that is by no means a bad thing

Higher floor, lower ceiling

[lethal river]

The 3 drop zimone seems funny

the 4 drop seems like a coaster, cant see much use for it outside of that.

[lethal river]

This seems sick for [[be'lakor]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/40k/6/belakor-the-dark-master

Be'lakor, the Dark Master <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Demon Noble
Flying
Prince of Chaos — When Be'lakor, the Dark Master enters, you draw X cards and you lose X life, where X is the number of Demons you control.
Lord of Torment — Whenever another Demon you control enters, it deals damage equal to its power to any target.
6/5

[lethal river]

Man Im so glad I already have a demons deck. Getting a few new toys in duskmourne

[misty geyser]

The 4 drop zimone? She insanely good

She’s not, like, tatyova levels

But she cheats out permanents like nobody’s business

[frail flare]

She can take infinite turns with wormfang manta which is always appealing

[lethal river]

Its not really cheating them out as you need to flip them or pay their cost to flip them.

[frail flare]

[[Ashaya]] takes care of that

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/179/ashaya-soul-of-the-wild

Ashaya, Soul of the Wild <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elemental
Ashaya, Soul of the Wild's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control.
Nontoken creatures you control are Forest lands in addition to their other types. (They're still affected by summoning sickness.)
*/*

[frail flare]

Whatever comes in off the first trigger will trigger the second when it etbs and flips itself

[misty geyser]

Yeah, butt triggering her twice a turn when you’re building around it is trivial

[bronze heath]

i don't like the rest of the legends spoiled besides those two as much. I feel like aminatou is just not very good (miracle cost only being reduced by 4 is too many hoops for too little pay-off), and precon winter seems just plain bad. other }Winter seems to be annoying in the way that nekusar is, but a single land beats it so...

[frail flare]

I don't think Aminatou is that big of an ask

But I played Kefnet for years

[hushed tapir]

wdym? being reduced by 4 is HUGE - throw in some flash enablers, some [[scroll rack]] style effects and BOOM you're off to the races

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/337/scroll-rack

Scroll Rack <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
, : Exile any number of cards from your hand face down. Put that many cards from the top of your library into your hand. Then look at the exiled cards and put them on top of your library in any order.

[frail flare]

Miracle is a flash enabler

[bronze heath]

ehhhhhhh

[bronze heath]

scroll rack is the only repeatable way to put cards from your hand onto the top of your deck

i do agree with the flash part

but what enchantments are you even playing?

sigil of the empty throne?

what else?

omnisience just makes your commander terrible

also 6 mana omnisience that requires some setup. Is it really that good?

[hushed tapir]

https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aenchantment+ci%3Aesper+mv>%3D4&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc&dir=desc

there are over 600 enchantments with mana value 4 or greater which could likely have their cost reduced by aminatou

[bronze heath]

sure. Most of them have multiple pips, and the ones that don't aren't really that good.

[frail flare]

[[Doomwake giant]] among others

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/865/doomwake-giant

Doomwake Giant <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment Creature — Giant
Constellation — Whenever Doomwake Giant or another enchantment you control enters, creatures your opponents control get -1/-1 until end of turn.
Crippling fear precedes it. A foul stench accompanies it. Death follows in its wake.
4/6

[hushed tapir]

I would gladly pay only UUU for a thought reflection

[bronze heath]

doomwake giant lol

[frail flare]

What's wrong with doomwake giant?

[bronze heath]

what makes aminatou any better than any other enchantress deck though?

[hushed tapir]

why are you lol'ing doomwake giant? its cracked in bx enchantress decks

[bronze heath]

nothing

i like it

i forgot about it

[dense wadi]

We have entered the reduction by four mana on drawn enchantments and surveil on upkeep bad era

[bronze heath]

thats why i said lol

[bronze heath]

indeed we have :(

[frail flare]

You can also use her with surveil payoff stuff like Mirko

[dense wadi]

You have at least, seems like a silly place

🤷‍♀️

[bronze heath]

it also is just a flavor fail that its not scry

wish it was scry 3 instead

[dense wadi]

She spends the story of Duskmourne keeping surveillance on the heroes iirc

So no

It’s a flavor win

[frail flare]

Also a lot of esper enchantments reanimate

[bronze heath]

but shes a wizard of the future... scry

i guess

[hushed tapir]

OOH [[disinformation campaign]] would be a lot of fun in Aminatou, yeah?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/208/disinformation-campaign

Disinformation Campaign <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
When Disinformation Campaign enters, you draw a card and each opponent discards a card.
Whenever you surveil, return Disinformation Campaign to its owner's hand.
"People would sooner savor sweet lies than chew plain truths." —Lazav

[bronze heath]

bruh you gonna reduce its mana cost to 2 instead of 3?

[dense wadi]

It’s the surveil lol

[bronze heath]

it being in esper also removes a lot of payoffs

from the enchantress theme

i just feel that it could be a lot cooler

[dense wadi]

Half the enchantment payoffs are in white

[hushed tapir]

cost reduction is still good?

[misty geyser]

Disinformation campaign is gas

[frail flare]

I feel like when people tell me I'm wrong to play esper artifacts because red exists.

[bronze heath]

wish they had made it reduce by colored mana instead

[bronze heath]

you're not wrong, im just dissapointed

[hushed tapir]

colored cost reduction is A LOT stronger

more than it seems

[bronze heath]

i know

i feel like if they made it reduce the cost by esper instead of 4 colorless, it would be a lot cooler of an enchantress

[frail flare]

No, that would be awful

[misty geyser]

“If we made it better it’d be so much better”

Uh, yeah

[frail flare]

A lot would only get one reductjon

[bronze heath]

by better i mean more fun

imagine it with disinformation campaign lol

i honestly just don't like the keyword miracle at all

[misty geyser]

Eh

It’s fine where it is

[bronze heath]

so i guess it kind of makes since that i don't like the aminatou

[misty geyser]

You can play big stompy enchantments

Drop an [[omniscience]] and pop off

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m19/65/omniscience

Omniscience <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
You may cast spells from your hand without paying their mana costs.
"The things I once imagined would be my greatest achievements were only the first steps toward a future I can only begin to fathom." —Jace Beleren

[bronze heath]

i also feel like they shouln't have desparked aminatou

[bronze heath]

that removes the point of your commander

and is a 6 mana omnisience even that good?

[misty geyser]

So? You have omniscience nothing else matters

[bronze heath]

with a bunch of set up?

[hushed tapir]

...yes?

[bronze heath]

its easier to cast omnisience with some rituals and call it a day

[misty geyser]

You can see aminatou as a ritual

[bronze heath]

a really wierd ritual with a ton of set up

[misty geyser]

She rituals four colorless mana off the miracle’d enchantment

[hushed tapir]

also, regardless of liking miracle or not, it is a PERFECT fit for the fate-twisting aminatou

[misty geyser]

Pretty much zero setup, actually

[dense wadi]

Yeah not sure how many they’re thinking are tri or even two color

[bronze heath]

it has nothing to do with anything to do with the story

[misty geyser]

It reduces the generic costs too, unless it would say otherwise

E.g. [[eluge shoreless]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/49/eluge-the-shoreless-sea

Eluge, the Shoreless Sea <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Fish
Eluge's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Islands you control.
Whenever Eluge enters or attacks, put a flood counter on target land. It's an Island in addition to its other types for as long as it has a flood counter on it.
The first instant or sorcery spell you cast each turn costs (or ) less to cast for each land you control with a flood counter on it.
*/*

[bronze heath]

she has nothing to do with enchantments in the story and more to with fate

and the ability to say "nope. No dying for you"

so aristacrats would suit her better

[hushed tapir]

2 @ esper https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aenchantment+ci%3Desper+mv>%3D4&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc&dir=desc

14 @ azorius https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aenchantment+ci%3Dazorius+mv>%3D4&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc&dir=desc

11 @ dimir https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aenchantment+ci%3Ddimir+mv>%3D4&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc&dir=desc

20 @ orzhov https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aenchantment+ci%3Dorzhov+mv>%3D4&unique=cards&as=grid&order=cmc&dir=desc

[misty geyser]

.

[bronze heath]

lol

what he said

[hushed tapir]

what are you talking about? aminatou's whole thing in the story is she condensed her magic down into tokens which offer about a 10-second re-do on someone's actions - both surveil and miracle are spot on representations of avoiding fate

[bronze heath]

but enchantments?

[dense wadi]

Fair enough 🤷‍♀️ lolol

[bronze heath]

also its not a miracle is it?

she did it

miracle represents "divine" intervention

[dense wadi]

Anyway this is enough of this

[hushed tapir]

it acts like a miracle

[bronze heath]

i guess

anyway, i just don't like aminatou and you're not gonna change my mind

also both winters are terrible

[hushed tapir]

I mean the best representation would be like. aminatou creating [[mask | tc18]] tokens, but cest la vie

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tc18/4/mask

Mask

Token Enchantment — Aura
Enchant permanent
Totem armor (If enchanted permanent would be destroyed, instead remove all damage from it and destroy this Aura.)

[bronze heath]

fr

[hushed tapir]

oh I love Jund winter. I've had a jund group slug/nekusar deck for a few years now and the closest thing jund had to a card-draw-caring commander before now was Darrigaz the igniter

[bronze heath]

[[winter, misenthropic guide]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/240/winter-misanthropic-guide

Winter, Misanthropic Guide <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Ward
At the beginning of your upkeep, each player draws two cards.
Delirium — As long as there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard, each opponent's maximum hand size is equal to seven minus the number of those card types.
3/4

[bronze heath]

is the first commander to get literally destroyed by a single land ever

[hushed tapir]

...what?

[bronze heath]

[[reliquary tower]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mb2/111/reliquary-tower

Reliquary Tower

Land
You have no maximum hand size.
: Add .
When the aven scouts located the tower in Esper, the Knights of the Reliquary set off on a righteous crusade to recover their lost treasures.

[hushed tapir]

oh I don't give a shit about his delirium ability

[bronze heath]

you like group hug?

[hushed tapir]

Did you not read what I said? I've got a jund group slug/nekusar deck

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ofhDXavgm0CRO1ywvmieLg

[bronze heath]

nekusar is not jund

[misty geyser]

Nekusar style deck

[hushed tapir]

it is a jund nekusar-style deck

[bronze heath]

i guess

winter is great for that

[misty geyser]

[[darigaaz]]

[grand hinge]

Multiple cards match “darigaaz”, can you be more specific?

[bronze heath]

never thought i would find that

[hushed tapir]

[[darigaaz the igniter]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dde/47/darigaaz-the-igniter

Darigaaz, the Igniter <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever Darigaaz, the Igniter deals combat damage to a player, you may pay . If you do, choose a color, then that player reveals their hand and Darigaaz deals damage to the player equal to the number of cards of that color revealed this way.
6/6

[hushed tapir]

he's. fine?

[misty geyser]

Hmmm

[bronze heath]

hes terrible lol

[misty geyser]

Winter is better for this I’d think?

[bronze heath]

the deck itself is cool

[misty geyser]

Depends how you’d build it

[hushed tapir]

yes absolutely

that's why I'm v excited

[bronze heath]

@misty geyser hes not using the delirium at all

[misty geyser]

It is extremely cool

So?

[hushed tapir]

thanks

[misty geyser]

That’s not required

[bronze heath]

i was trying to tell you the plan

no hate

i would do the same

i thought you were confused

[misty geyser]

Ah

No I’m not

[bronze heath]

have you guys seen my tymna ninjas deck?

[hushed tapir]

I'm also gonna swap Mob Nix for the RB Valgavoth when he releases. No hate to the kingpin, he's just a little too strong for where the deck wants to be

[bronze heath]

yep, i completely agree. I also feel that valgavoth is honestly just better

in the deck

[hushed tapir]

yup

[bronze heath]

draw a card instead of exile

[hushed tapir]

yeah!

super easy swap

[bronze heath]

i think there was a new "whenever an opponent draws a card, deal 1 damage to them" printed in like bloomburrow or something

[hushed tapir]

I know there's [[razorkin needle]] in duskmourn

[misty geyser]

Therr’s one coming in duskmourn

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/153/razorkin-needlehead

Razorkin Needlehead <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Assassin
Razorkin Needlehead has first strike during your turn.
Whenever an opponent draws a card, Razorkin Needlehead deals 1 damage to them.
"Stitch your eyes, stitch your skin, stitch your mouth into a grin."
2/2

[bronze heath]

sry i mean duskmourn

i gtg now

but check out this list:https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fzu8capDP0uUXYT5gEQqhg

[misty geyser]

[[winter|dsk]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/240/winter-misanthropic-guide

Winter, Misanthropic Guide <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Ward
At the beginning of your upkeep, each player draws two cards.
Delirium — As long as there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard, each opponent's maximum hand size is equal to seven minus the number of those card types.
3/4

[misty geyser]

@hushed tapir so what does jund give you that rakdos or even grixis doesn’t?

[hushed tapir]

Mostly stuff like [[jolrael, mwonvuli]] [[runic armasaur]] [[heartwood storyteller]], [[cindervines]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/173/jolrael-mwonvuli-recluse

Jolrael, Mwonvuli Recluse <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you draw your second card each turn, create a 2/2 green Cat creature token.
: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X, where X is the number of cards in your hand.
"Humans bring nothing but suffering and deceit. They are not welcome in my forest."
1/2

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/256/runic-armasaur

Runic Armasaur <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Dinosaur
Whenever an opponent activates an ability of a creature or land that isn't a mana ability, you may draw a card.
The Sun Empire's most sacred sites are protected by more than prayers.
2/5

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/209/heartwood-storyteller

Heartwood Storyteller <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Treefolk
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, each of that player's opponents may draw a card.
His roots reach deep, nurtured not by soil and rain, but by millennia of experience.
2/3

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/171/cindervines

Cindervines <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a noncreature spell, Cindervines deals 1 damage to that player.
, Sacrifice Cindervines: Destroy target artifact or enchantment. Cindervines deals 2 damage to that permanent's controller.

[misty geyser]

Ah, so making it hurt to not only draw those cards but use them

Running [[ruric thar]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/271/ruric-thar-the-unbowed

Ruric Thar, the Unbowed <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Ogre Warrior
Vigilance, reach
Ruric Thar, the Unbowed attacks each combat if able.
Whenever a player casts a noncreature spell, Ruric Thar deals 6 damage to that player.
6/6

[misty geyser]

?

[hushed tapir]

This deck started off as a $50 budget deck with [[xira arien]] and I was trying to stay at least partially in theme with that

Plus ive already got a Prosper deck and I’m hesitant to build another RB deck (which is ironic since I just finished blinging out lord windgrac)

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/205/xira-arien

Xira Arien <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Insect Wizard
Flying
, : Target player draws a card.
Her wits are sharp, but her blades are sharper.
1/2

[hushed tapir]

Ooh. Tempting. I might have too many noncreature spells for that though

[misty geyser]

Ah, no pain no gain

[[spell shock]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/160/spellshock

Spellshock <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell, Spellshock deals 2 damage to that player.
A snap of fingers, a snap of teeth.

[hushed tapir]

Mm good point. To be fair I often wind up with a lot of mana. Maybe I cut some mana rocks and add stuff like that

[misty geyser]

It’s definitely leaning more group slug when you go that way but not a bad idea

Feed people cards so they can kill themselves casting them

All I’ll say is pack more than a few fogs lol

What does jund have in the way of protecting your permanents?

[hushed tapir]

[[heroic intervention]]? I’m sure there some other green stuff but not a lot in r or b I think

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/295/heroic-intervention

Heroic Intervention <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Permanents you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
"Wherever the strong would harm the weak, I will be there." —Ajani Goldmane

[misty geyser]

There’s like [[wrap in vigor]] but that’s only creatures

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cns/183/wrap-in-vigor

Wrap in Vigor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Regenerate each creature you control.
Some nature mages unknowingly took advantage of the temporal energies still swirling on Dominaria. What they mistook for healing magic was in fact the manipulation of time.

[misty geyser]

I was just thinking of a way you don’t die to board wipes tbh

[hushed tapir]

Fair! Honestly wrap in vigor would do a ton, I do have a lot of creatures

[bronze heath]

I love the addition of [[karazikar, the eye tyrant]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/49/karazikar-the-eye-tyrant

Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Beholder
Whenever you attack a player, tap target creature that player controls and goad it. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
Whenever an opponent attacks another one of your opponents, you and the attacking player each draw a card and lose 1 life.
5/5

[hushed tapir]

thanks

[bronze heath]

there's a bit of a goad sub-theme isn't there?

[hushed tapir]

A very, very tiny amount

Really just Karazikar and that Kaldheim dude

[hasty portal]

Anyways I think Aminatou is very solid.

And certainly if one was to commit to building her, I think there's ways of getting a lot of value for her.

[lethal river]

Finally caught up on this

Yeah Omniscience for 6 mana is pretty good, are you crazy?

you can even set it up with like [[enlightened tutor]] during opp end step

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/6/enlightened-tutor

Enlightened Tutor <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Search your library for an artifact or enchantment card, reveal it, then shuffle and put that card on top.
"Organization is often undervalued but rarely unjustified." —Frasio, royal archivist

[lethal river]

Getting omniscience off bant tamiyo emblem for 4 mana and like 4 turns is wild everytime I resolve it. This would be even faster.

[frail flare]

I think Omniscience is "better" in deck Zimone but that's only because there it has the possibility of being free. The floor of it in Aminatou is still really high.

[bronze heath]

With omniscience in play with aminatou, aminatou is worth nothing lol

also you don't have the card draw to fuel omniscience

[lethal river]

With omniscience in play with aminatou, aminatou is worth nothing lol you win the game because it’s omniscience.

[bronze heath]

how do you win the game?

what cards do you play?

its not infinite mana lol

what cards do play?

are you creating a deck simply to win with omniscience?

in that case, aminatou is not for you

[lethal river]

You play your entire deck? We’re in blue? You trying to tell me that you can’t just draw everything with omniscience in play?

[bronze heath]

dude your playing an esper enchantress deck

[lethal river]

Yeah?

[bronze heath]

how many card draw spells are you playing?

[lethal river]

I’m in blue so likely at least 10

[bronze heath]

omniscience doesn't win you the game lol

[lethal river]

Yeah ok we’re done here

[bronze heath]

rhystic study and mystic remora don't do anything lol

[lethal river]

I shan’t be replying to you after this.

[misty geyser]

Hey gamers, let’s not

Shirtless men finally arrived in the mail

Let’s discuss ways to improve that

I need better ways to win the game with it

[lethal river]

Hell yeah funny decks

[bronze heath]

im being quite calm and just saying that i don't believe that omniscience will win you the game

[frail flare]

I'm trying to remember what colors Shirtless Men is in

[misty geyser]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/H706sfNA8kC2SOTAbuTvSg

[misty geyser]

Non black

[frail flare]

New Tyvar?

since you have a mono-G one

He's basically Magic's Saint of Shirtless Men at this point

[bronze heath]

this is incredible

[misty geyser]

So, Pulse of the Forge and Hanmer of Bogardan unfortunately, though somewhat expectedly don’t do much

[misty geyser]

I haven’t seen him

[frail flare]

[[tyvar|dsk]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/202/tyvar-the-pummeler

Tyvar, the Pummeler <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Warrior
Tap another untapped creature you control: Tyvar, the Pummeler gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it.
: Creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
"They just keep coming and coming—perfect for my morning workout!"
3/3

[misty geyser]

Oh SHIT

That is perfect

[bronze heath]

how did you find all these shirtlesss men?

[frail flare]

Crowdsourcing

[bronze heath]

lol

[misty geyser]

“atag:bare-chest” helped a lot

[bronze heath]

lol

imagine somebody checks your search history

[misty geyser]

Eh, people that know me know that this isn’t completely out of left field

I like doing goofy deck ideas

[misty geyser]

Tyvar is in, hanmer of bogardan is out

[bronze heath]

imagine somebody who doesn't play magic...

[misty geyser]

Well, if they wanna judge me then they can either get to know me first or they ain’t worth my time lol

[bronze heath]

lol

[misty geyser]

I’m noting that [[fire//ice]] isn’t too fantastic

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/215/fire-ice

Fire <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Fire deals 2 damage divided as you choose among one or two targets.

Ice
Instant
Tap target permanent.
Draw a card.

[bronze heath]

barely shirtless

[misty geyser]

But unfortunately our pile of efficient removal isn’t very big

[lethal river]

Nah fire and ice is terrible I only play it in pauper because it’s flexible and pings down flying 1/1s

I wouldn’t play it anywhere else at all

[misty geyser]

Oh! So I made changed after ordering the deck so I ended up having to make a couple audibles with the paper list

[bronze heath]

its helpful in pauper for tapping lands to prevent combo decks

[misty geyser]

Currently, Tatyova and Nadu are in

I might keep Taty, but I would like to replace Nadu

[lethal river]

Are there not shirtless men that can exile until it leaves the board?

Like banishment type effects

[misty geyser]

There might be!

[lethal river]

Coz that fits the theme and is removal

[bronze heath]

good idea

[misty geyser]

Oh!! [[!banishing light|scd]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/scd/9/banishing-light

Banishing Light

[misty geyser]

Hell yeah

[bronze heath]

guys is it just me or is the best way to spend infinite mana phelddagrif?

[frail flare]

[[chained to the rocks]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ths/4/chained-to-the-rocks

Chained to the Rocks <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant Mountain you control
When Chained to the Rocks enters, exile target creature an opponent controls until Chained to the Rocks leaves the battlefield. (That creature returns under its owner's control.)

[bronze heath]

nice

[frail flare]

[[!citizen's arrest]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/11/citizens-arrest

Citizen's Arrest

[lethal river]

[[chained to the rocks]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ths/4/chained-to-the-rocks

Chained to the Rocks <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant Mountain you control
When Chained to the Rocks enters, exile target creature an opponent controls until Chained to the Rocks leaves the battlefield. (That creature returns under its owner's control.)

[lethal river]

Oh man you beat me to it

[bronze heath]

already found

[lethal river]

I was chuckling away to myself for too long

[frail flare]

OH [[!Grasp of fate|CMM]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/823/grasp-of-fate

Grasp of Fate

[lethal river]

YO

Grasp of fate is playable in shirtless men

thats enormous

[misty geyser]

That is huge

Much like that centaurs chest

Okay, you guys are awesome

[lethal river]

[[burn from within]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/soi/148/burn-from-within

Burn from Within <:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Burn from Within deals X damage to any target. If a creature is dealt damage this way, it loses indestructible until end of turn. If that creature would die this turn, exile it instead.

[misty geyser]

Ooh that’s spicy

Any ideas for board wipes?

[frail flare]

[[anzrag's rampage]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/111/anzrags-rampage

Anzrag's Rampage <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Destroy all artifacts you don't control, then exile the top X cards of your library, where X is the number of artifacts that were put into graveyards from the battlefield this turn. You may put a creature card exiled this way onto the battlefield. It gains haste. Return it to your hand at the beginning of the next end step.

[lethal river]

[[rout]] ?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/101/rout

Rout <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
You may cast Rout as though it had flash if you pay more to cast it. (You may cast it any time you could cast an instant.)
Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.
"End this. What I seek is far greater." —Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

[lethal river]

Does this count?

[frail flare]

[[!mageta the lion]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pcy/13/mageta-the-lion

Mageta the Lion

[lethal river]

[[jazal goldmane]] is another alternative pump creature

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/32/jazal-goldmane

Jazal Goldmane <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior
First strike
: Attacking creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of attacking creatures.
"As my kha, he is the source of my inspiration. As my brother, he is the embodiment of my aspirations." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4

[frail flare]

[[!blasphemous act|sld]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/322/blasphemous-act

Blasphemous Act

[lethal river]

[[root grevil]] for enchantments?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pls/91/root-greevil

Root Greevil <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Beast
, , Sacrifice Root Greevil: Destroy all enchantments of the color of your choice.
The root of all greevils.
2/3

[misty geyser]

Rout 100% counts

[misty geyser]

HELL YES

[misty geyser]

Jazal is already in there

[misty geyser]

I do love mageta

[lethal river]

you playing my favourite one [[brimaz, king of oreskos]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/bng/5/brimaz-king-of-oreskos

Brimaz, King of Oreskos <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Cat Soldier
Vigilance
Whenever Brimaz, King of Oreskos attacks, create a 1/1 white Cat Soldier creature token with vigilance that's attacking.
Whenever Brimaz blocks a creature, create a 1/1 white Cat Soldier creature token with vigilance that's blocking that creature.
3/4

[lethal river]

I love this card so much. its nostalgic for me and I need to play it more

[misty geyser]

No but he’s not bad

Maybe a bit low impact on his own

How about ways to remove all nonland permanents, or maybe just artifacts/enchantments? I have Filter Out but I wanna have at least a couple so I have my bases covered

Fortunately Ghost Quarter is able to be in the deck

[frail flare]

[[!break down]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/74/break-down

Break Down

[misty geyser]

So we’re good on LD

[misty geyser]

Ooh, with card draw attached. That’s in

[frail flare]

[[cleansing meditation]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tor/3/cleansing-meditation

Cleansing Meditation <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all enchantments.
Threshold — If seven or more cards are in your graveyard, instead destroy all enchantments, then return all cards in your graveyard destroyed this way to the battlefield.

[frail flare]

Oh, on the board wipes, [[desolation giant]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/91/desolation-giant

Desolation Giant <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Giant
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
When Desolation Giant enters, destroy all other creatures you control. If it was kicked, destroy all other creatures instead.
3/3

[lethal river]

wait

[[bearer of the heavens]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/jou/89/bearer-of-the-heavens

Bearer of the Heavens <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Giant
When Bearer of the Heavens dies, destroy all permanents at the beginning of the next end step.
To hold the heavens from the earth is no curse, but a titanic responsibility.
10/10

[frail flare]

That's a kill switch more than anything else.

[lethal river]

Mutually assured destruction?

[hasty portal]

[[Time Wipe]] ?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/340/time-wipe

Time Wipe <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Sorcery
Return a creature you control to its owner's hand, then destroy all creatures.
"To comprehend the full answer requires years of temporal study. In short, they were now never born in the first place." —Teferi

[frail flare]

[[essence filter]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/me2/160/essence-filter

Essence Filter <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Destroy all enchantments or all nonwhite enchantments.
"Freyalise has cleansed our bodies and minds of the plagues of Kjeldor; all she asks in return is that we keep pure our newly given home in Fyndhorn." —Kolbjörn, elder druid of the Juniper Order

[lethal river]

wait

I saw a good uncommon earlier

[[back to nature]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m15/169/back-to-nature

Back to Nature <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Destroy all enchantments.
There will always be those who presume to improve nature, or dare to befoul it. And nature will always have a response.

[lethal river]

it doesnt have a man on it tho

[frail flare]

[[gorilla shaman]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/280/gorilla-shaman

Gorilla Shaman <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Ape Shaman
: Destroy target noncreature artifact with mana value X.
"Frankly, destruction is best left to professionals." —Jaya Ballard, task mage
1/1

[misty geyser]

Love time wipe

My gorilla boi

[frail flare]

[[mass calcify]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m15/18/mass-calcify

Mass Calcify <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Destroy all nonwhite creatures.
The dead serve as their own tombstones.

[frail flare]

lol [[rapid hybridization]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/93/rapid-hybridization

Rapid Hybridization <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated. That creature's controller creates a 3/3 green Frog Lizard creature token.
"We've merged your life essence with that of several creatures at once. You're welcome." —Speaker Trifon

[lethal river]

I mean, hes not shirtless though

They're in the process for sure

but id argue more than half of that shirt is still on

[frail flare]

Same issue with [[!chaos warp|2x2|359]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/359/chaos-warp

Chaos Warp

[lethal river]

alright fair enough i guess were allowing it becuase the deck needs some good removal cards

its a shame we dont have black coz [[damn]] would go hard

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/191/damn

Damn <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy target creature. A creature destroyed this way can't be regenerated.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")

[misty geyser]

Ehh, I see tiddy

[lethal river]

coz if its a skeleton, theres no way there is a shirt involved

[misty geyser]

Also the token is shirtless too

Not thay I think it’d think to wear a shirt

[frail flare]

I do think it's funny that people are saying the otter that untaps all frogs is a sign that Pongify is the better version of the spell because it makes an ape

[misty geyser]

Cause like [[werebear]] is in the deck too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/182/werebear

Werebear <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Bear Druid
: Add .
Threshold — Werebear gets +3/+3 as long as seven or more cards are in your graveyard.
He exercises his right to bear arms.
1/1

[misty geyser]

That’s like the fact that snow covered basics are “strictly” better

[frail flare]

YEp

[misty geyser]

It’s only better in a way that’ll literally never matter

[lethal river]

HAH 'He exercises his right to bear arms.'

Love this

[misty geyser]

Oh shoot, wrong one

There is a werebear that his shirt is being ripped off as he’s transforming

[lethal river]

[[extraplanar lens]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/381/extraplanar-lens

Extraplanar Lens <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Imprint — When Extraplanar Lens enters, you may exile target land you control.
Whenever a land with the same name as the exiled card is tapped for mana, its controller adds one mana of any type that land produced.

[misty geyser]

Yeah

[lethal river]

I have a friend who uses exactly this in a mono blue deck and it really is relevant there.

[misty geyser]

Even when people do run mono colored decks it’s not always even ran

[frail flare]

HEnce why I think it's funny.

[misty geyser]

Okay so another thing, I wonder if there’s some better ways to buff my creatures and/or give evasion

I could stand to go down on removal slightly, since I’ve got 22 removal spells currently lol

[lethal river]

theres that enchantment with flash that gives your creatures +2/+2 from a theros set

[misty geyser]

I really like stuff like [[contortionist troupe]], just building up counters

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mid/178/contortionist-troupe

Contortionist Troupe <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human
Contortionist Troupe enters with X +1/+1 counters on it.
Coven — At the beginning of your end step, if you control three or more creatures with different powers, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
"Welcome to the greatest show in Kessig!"
0/0

[lethal river]

I forgot its name.

[hasty portal]

[[Dictate of Helios]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c15/68/dictate-of-heliod

Dictate of Heliod <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Flash
Creatures you control get +2/+2.
"In our war Heliod gave mortals some favor, yet other times he withheld aid. Are we still no more than game pieces to him?" —Polyxene the Doubter

[hasty portal]

[[Beastmaster Ascension]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/283/beastmaster-ascension

Beastmaster Ascension <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control attacks, you may put a quest counter on Beastmaster Ascension.
As long as Beastmaster Ascension has seven or more quest counters on it, creatures you control get +5/+5.

[hasty portal]

Oh wait, I was thinking [[Titanic Ultimatum]] art, nvm.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ddh/31/titanic-ultimatum

Titanic Ultimatum <:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Until end of turn, creatures you control get +5/+5 and gain first strike, trample, and lifelink.
"Retribution is best delivered by claws and rage, with both magnified." —Ajani

[lethal river]

Nah tbf there is a shaman lookin dude in the back of beastmaster

cant tell if they're shirtless though

[misty geyser]

I don’t think they sre

Dictate of heliod is fine but 5 mana is roooough

[hasty portal]

[[Gaea's Anthem]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/204/gaeas-anthem

Gaea's Anthem <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
"To those who can hear it, Gaea's battle song brings power as swift as sunlight and as enduring as the deep roots of the forest." —Gamelen, Citanul elder

[misty geyser]

I think those guys are wearing chest pieces

The pecs are extremely angular compared to the rest of their chest art

[hasty portal]

Mmm ok!

[[Paragon of Gathering Mists]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m15/73/paragon-of-gathering-mists

Paragon of Gathering Mists <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Other blue creatures you control get +1/+1.
, : Another target blue creature you control gains flying until end of turn.
2/2

[hasty portal]

Oh wait dangit.

The art on google misled me.

[[True Conviction]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c14/93/true-conviction

True Conviction <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Creatures you control have double strike and lifelink.
Dozens of spells known only to the Auriok elders were lost, but the next generation, galvanized by war, devised even more potent magic.

[misty geyser]

Heh, nice

Okay, sorted there

How about card draw? Any spicy ones come to mind?

My current list is decently strong but maybe I missed some real good ones

[frail flare]

I've been thinking about it, Aminatou might be an interesting Room commander

Since each seems to have an expensive and a cheap side you could miracle the big one in

[misty geyser]

True! Maybe that was the intention? I know they typically design commanders to work really well with stuff in the set to entice people to get cards from that set as easy upgrades

[frail flare]

Maybe. I just know that eerie is focused across UW and BU

And then with Victor

So, coming back over here. Maybe the way to build Aminatou is so that it doesn't matter what enchantment you draw and miracle?

Like, the idea is the majority of the cards you draw are going to be good to cast whenever

So you're casting threats not answers

Like is it Esper stompy?

Esper enchantments with specifically 4 in their mana value https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3Aesper+format%3Aedh+t%3Aenchantment+mana%3A{4}

[misty geyser]

Definitely big enchantments

[[terminus]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c18/77/terminus

Terminus <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
Put all creatures on the bottom of their owners' libraries.
Miracle (You may cast this card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)

[misty geyser]

So instant speed draw would be good

Rhystic study is… real good here

Could also run the other stuff like [[compost]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/235/compost

Compost <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a black card is put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, you may draw a card.
A fruit must rot before its seed can sprout. —Yavimaya saying

[misty geyser]

Oops sorry

[[insight]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/6ed/75/insight

Insight <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
Whenever an opponent casts a green spell, you draw a card.
"We can fight with you or against you. After my day, I'd prefer the former." —Gerrard of the Weatherlight

[hushed tapir]

gotta have [[starfield of nyx]] and [[extinguish all hope]] no?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/840/starfield-of-nyx

Starfield of Nyx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may return target enchantment card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
As long as you control five or more enchantments, each other non-Aura enchantment you control is a creature in addition to its other types and has base power and base toughness each equal to its mana value.

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/157/extinguish-all-hope

Extinguish All Hope <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy all nonenchantment creatures.
Phenax, god of deception, offered the soldiers protection from every poison on Theros. He saw no need to mention that Pharika's poisons were drawn from Nyx.

[lethal river]

@misty geyser I just found a copy of soul of windgrace in my pile of random stuff and though I haven’t tried to build jund in ages. You got a list for him or actual windgrace. I think maybe lands as a theme will keep me interested.

[hushed tapir]

(I'm not Umaru but I've got a lands Lord WIndgrace lands list if you're interested)

[frail flare]

I have soul

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/dhrFv4_3OkiwtAbTMqOYwA

But sadly also not umaru

[misty geyser]

I haven’t done jund lands, it was one of those deck ideas that was more or less solved

Lands in general is a big meh to me

[hushed tapir]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DXVXMQycf0GIzy-Mni6vhA

[frail flare]

I've liked Soul of Windgrace a lot but I also built it with an artifact subtheme

[misty geyser]

I could probably come up with one

[lethal river]

Ah I thought you’d have one for sure given your status/message thing about jund haha

I’m wanting to go into a fill the yard with lands and [[splendid reclamation]] angle I think

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/221/splendid-reclamation

Splendid Reclamation <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
"These seeds waited faithfully for the sun to rise again. Now, their patience is rewarded." —Wrenn

[bronze heath]

I need help... Im trying to make a grixis storm deck with Sol'kanar

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/y3sMtgRIhUGmhQ1PthxYSQ

[hushed tapir]

That's ~sort of~ my list

[bronze heath]

its not going well

[hushed tapir]

mardu storm? Isn't sol'kanar grixis?

[bronze heath]

my b

did i say mardu?

[lethal river]

Yeah ok fair. This is pretty close to where I wanna go. I just don’t want extra land drops is all. Will steal a fair chunk of this list and add the cards I wanna run

[frail flare]

One thing I've found with soul of windgrace is you want the lands to go to your hand

Which is why i've got more things like the [[pair o dice lost]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/unf/149/pair-o-dice-lost

Pair o' Dice Lost <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Roll two six-sided dice. Return any number of cards with total mana value X or less from your graveyard to your hand, where X is the total of those results. Exile Pair o' Dice Lost.
The Astrotorium is a zero-waste facility, meaning it deals with zero of its waste.

[dense wadi]

my understanding is that Umaru likes Jund, but has never really found a jund commander deck they love

[hushed tapir]

what do you want the win con to be

[bronze heath]

just thought up a cool idea: Marchesa storm. It uses Brain Freeze and tendrils of agony to target opponents and bunch and stormkiln and archmage emeritus to do cool stuff i guess

[bronze heath]

changed the commander :D

lifegain is boring

[hushed tapir]

gotcha

[bronze heath]

just remembered

the scheme is to storm off... as a payoff?

[frail flare]

Have you looked at [[cormella]]

[grand hinge]

No card found for “cormella”

[frail flare]

[[cormela, glamour]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/177/cormela-glamour-thief

Cormela, Glamour Thief <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Vampire Rogue
Haste
, : Add . Spend this mana only to cast instant and/or sorcery spells.
When Cormela, Glamour Thief dies, return up to one target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
She sees the world as a gift meant for her.
2/4

[bronze heath]

oooh it thats cool

reanimator storm...

goryos vengeance goes crazy

you just need a sac-outlet

seems very powerful

[frail flare]

[[thermopod]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/csp/100/thermopod

Thermopod <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397>

Snow Creature — Slug
: Thermopod gains haste until end of turn. ( can be paid with one mana from a snow source.)
Sacrifice a creature: Add .
Slicking the ice with its heated underside, the thermopod skates at great speed to overtake its prey.
4/3

[bronze heath]

a bit too powerful for the deck im planning, but still really cool

[hushed tapir]

you're gonna want [[urabrask // the great work]], [[aetherflux reservoir]], [[embrace the unknown]], [[ashling flame dancer]] and [[party thrasher]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/169/urabrask-the-great-work

Urabrask <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
First strike
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, Urabrask deals 1 damage to target opponent. Add .
: Exile Urabrask, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery and only if you've cast three or more instant and/or sorcery spells this turn.
4/4

The Great Work
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — The Great Work deals 3 damage to target opponent and each creature they control.
II — Create three Treasure tokens.
III — Until end of turn, you may cast instant and sorcery spells from any graveyard. If a spell cast this way would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead. Exile The Great Work, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

https://scryfall.com/card/kld/192/aetherflux-reservoir

Aetherflux Reservoir <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Whenever you cast a spell, you gain 1 life for each spell you've cast this turn.
Pay 50 life: Aetherflux Reservoir deals 50 damage to any target.
While most power is used for ordinary, everyday tasks, one shouldn't underestimate its potential for the extraordinary.

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/28/embrace-the-unknown

Embrace the Unknown <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
Retrace (You may cast this card from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying its other costs.)
"Everyone's gotta die somehow. I'll be damned if I meet my end cowering in some cellar."

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/115/ashling-flame-dancer

Ashling, Flame Dancer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Shaman
You don't lose unspent red mana as steps and phases end.
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, discard a card, then draw a card. If this is the second time this ability has resolved this turn, Ashling, Flame Dancer deals 2 damage to each opponent and each creature they control. If it's the third time, add .
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/129/party-thrasher

Party Thrasher <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Lizard Wizard
Noncreature spells you cast from exile have convoke. (Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell from exile pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your first main phase, you may discard a card. If you do, exile the top two cards of your library, then choose one of them. You may play that card this turn.
1/4

[bronze heath]

oooh

i like [[embrace the unknown]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/28/embrace-the-unknown

Embrace the Unknown <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Exile the top two cards of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play those cards.
Retrace (You may cast this card from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying its other costs.)
"Everyone's gotta die somehow. I'll be damned if I meet my end cowering in some cellar."

[hushed tapir]

I've got a Prosper Storm/Artifact Pinger deck which I've v much enjoyed and storm in v cube is one of my favorite archetypes

[bronze heath]

i like the artifact idea

what if i use a bunch of relic of progenitus's to constantly trigger my commander and add to my storm count?

and turn it into more of an artifact deck?

[hushed tapir]

Which commander is this now?

[bronze heath]

marchesa (the new one)

still

[hushed tapir]

Here's my current list if you're interesting (sorry we're taking over your thread umaru) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/qTsylPCPKkiTKBpMuLAwAg

[bronze heath]

[[marchesa, dealer of death]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/220/marchesa-dealer-of-death

Marchesa, Dealer of Death <:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Whenever you commit a crime, you may pay . If you do, look at the top two cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the other into your graveyard. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
"You should have folded when you had the chance."
3/4

[misty geyser]

My complicated relationship with jund is that it’s my favorite color combo but haven’t found a commander that isn’t

1. turbo broken
2. total garbage
3. really “clicked” at all

[hushed tapir]

ah yeah artifact pingers would be sweet for her

[misty geyser]

Modern Jund midrange is my favorite deck of all time

[hushed tapir]

no that's absolutely fair

[frail flare]

Soul of Windgrace is the only one I've enjoyed so far.

[misty geyser]

But the “representation” we got is absolute shit

[frail flare]

So I know that pain.

[bronze heath]

yeah, and no one would ever be able to play an graveyard deck against me...

[hushed tapir]

me @ jeskai, abzan, and sultai

[misty geyser]

Coram is cool, but I need to redo him

[bronze heath]

I like soul of windgrace as well

[misty geyser]

Umori companion just isn’t quite doing it for me anymore

[hushed tapir]

sad ;-;

[misty geyser]

I’m thinking jund spellslinger/control is next on the docket

[hushed tapir]

I know the feeling - I used to have a Jarad list which became too combo-y and all the fun was lost

[dense wadi]

i like [[zangief]] the most off the top of my head for jund

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/435/maarika-brutal-gladiator

Maarika, Brutal Gladiator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Maarika, Brutal Gladiator must be blocked if able.
As long as it's your turn, Maarika has indestructible.
Whenever Maarika deals damage to a creature, if that creature was dealt excess damage this turn, that creature's controller sacrifices a noncreature, nonland permanent.
7/4

[misty geyser]

Combos make me literally miserable if I have them

I like winning by doing actual work

[bronze heath]

like storm?

[frail flare]

I was going to bring up them too. I've seen a lot of people enjoy it as a commander

[dense wadi]

like attacking

[bronze heath]

the only combos that i'll put up with is patron of the moon

[dense wadi]

Umaru is a based facebeating fan

[misty geyser]

Zangief is cool but just feast or famine because he either keeps EVERYONE down or does nothing

My issue with spellslinger control is simply “how tf do I win”

[bronze heath]

zangief is just a big thonk...

[lethal river]

Combat is fun ok. Me punch face.

[bronze heath]

tendrills of agony or like pingers i guess?

[dense wadi]

it's only feast or famine to me if i'm relying on zangief but i want most of the deck to be threatening

[lethal river]

I am the sort of person that uses Llanowar elf to do damage. If I don’t need the mana on turn 2

[dense wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/street-fighter-x-men-vs-street-fighter-xmen-capcom-zangief-gif-20345855

i want this but in card form

[lethal river]

Always hit.

[misty geyser]

Not a bad idea, big fireballs and whatnot

[misty geyser]

Same. Have you tried building Breena yet?

[lethal river]

That’s the orzhov bird right?

[misty geyser]

Yeah. If you like hit she is turbo hit

[lethal river]

I have not tried her yet but I’ve seen others play her at my lgs and for that reason I don’t really want to you know

I don’t like having same commanders as other people at my lgs or in my friend groups

[misty geyser]

That’s fair

But also, she wins with draft chaff fliers

[lethal river]

With the exception of yuriko because me and a friend are unhinged and have 5 yuriko decks between us with two more on the way

[misty geyser]

That 4 drop white mouse with valiant is such a good fucking card in that deck

[hushed tapir]

[[marionette master]] doming target opp for 4, and marionette aprrentice doming each opp for 1 is v good

also chaining spells together with 3abrask puts in WORK

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/102/marionette-master

Marionette Master <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Artificer
Fabricate 3 (When this creature enters, put three +1/+1 counters on it or create three 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature tokens.)
Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to Marionette Master's power.
1/3

[dense wadi]

i also kinda like the idea of running [[sek deathkeeper]] and [[ognis lash]] together sometime in an aggressive kind of haste typal

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/354/sekkuar-deathkeeper

Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Orc Shaman
Whenever another nontoken creature you control dies, create a 3/1 black and red Graveborn creature token with haste.
The orcs believe Sek'Kuar still lives in the Karplusan Mountains, gathering his dead army, intent on revenge.
4/3

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/210/ognis-the-dragons-lash

Ognis, the Dragon's Lash <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manabr:292901508939382784><:manar:292901508796645397><:manarg:292901508738056193>

Legendary Creature — Lizard Warrior
Haste
Whenever a creature you control with haste attacks, create a tapped Treasure token.
Ziatora's second-in-command has a habit of appearing when and where her enemies least expect her.
3/3

[frail flare]

I think you two must have stolen all of my yuriko luck.

[lethal river]

Yeah…it’s getting out of hand. We played a yuriko pod once

[frail flare]

There's also the simplicity of [[kresh]]

[grand hinge]

Multiple cards match “kresh”, can you be more specific?

[frail flare]

[[kresh, the blood]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/345/kresh-the-bloodbraided

Kresh the Bloodbraided <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever another creature dies, you may put X +1/+1 counters on Kresh the Bloodbraided, where X is that creature's power.
Each of his twenty-two braids is bound with bone and leather from a foe.
3/3

[misty geyser]

I considered kresh [[pyroclasm]].deck

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/149/pyroclasm

Pyroclasm <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Pyroclasm deals 2 damage to each creature.
"In my younger days, I would meticulously catalog all the terrors I encounter. These days, I mostly just kill them with fire." —Rip, spawn hunter

[lethal river]

I love these types of effects

[misty geyser]

Or even doom blade.deck

Both are good

It also lets me run the goat [[electrickery]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/rtr/93/electrickery

Electrickery <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Electrickery deals 1 damage to target creature you don't control.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")

[frail flare]

For the pyroclasm style, [[indoraptor]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/rex/15/indoraptor-the-perfect-hybrid

Indoraptor, the Perfect Hybrid <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manabg:292901508863754241><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Dinosaur Mutant
Bloodthirst X (This creature enters with X +1/+1 counters on it, where X is the damage dealt to your opponents this turn.)
Menace
Enrage — Whenever Indoraptor, the Perfect Hybrid is dealt damage, choose an opponent at random. Indoraptor deals damage equal to its power to that player unless they sacrifice a nontoken creature.
3/1

[lethal river]

[[whip flare]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/130/whipflare

Whipflare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Whipflare deals 2 damage to each nonartifact creature.
The slag-workers wasted no time in creating their own flare pulses to cleanse the area of the incompleat.

[dense wadi]

maybe it's weird but i thought about running [[golden sting]] as kill people the deck

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/48/xira-the-golden-sting

Xira, the Golden Sting <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Insect Assassin
Flying, haste
Whenever Xira, the Golden Sting attacks, put an egg counter on another target creature without an egg counter on it. When that creature dies, if it has an egg counter on it, draw a card and create a 1/1 black Insect creature token with flying.
3/3

[hushed tapir]

Funnily enough my jund group slug deck started off as an og Xira deck before becoming a Darigaaz deck and now a Jund Winter deck

[dense wadi]

i could see it

based on what you've said

[hushed tapir]

very focused on removing opps board presence and maintaining a grip of cards

[dense wadi]

knowing me i'd go with an insect subtheme

because i like typal themes to begin with

[hushed tapir]

ooh, neat

[misty geyser]

I figured Coram would be good for that since his attack trigger is basically impulse drawing the top card of each player’s library

[hushed tapir]

mm true

[dense wadi]

Coram is strong no doubt, just doesn't really inspire much in me when i look at them

[misty geyser]

Another mechanic I really like is delve

But delve is, like, not good in commander

[bronze heath]

[[Meathook Massacre II]] Is a great include in your indoraptor deck

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/108/meathook-massacre-ii

Meathook Massacre II <:manax:292901509082120202><:manax:292901509082120202><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Enchantment
When Meathook Massacre II enters, each player sacrifices X creatures.
Whenever a creature you control dies, you may pay 3 life. If you do, return that card under your control with a finality counter on it.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls dies, they may pay 3 life. If they don't, return that card under your control with a finality counter on it.

[frail flare]

In small doses it's great, but not in the same way no

[misty geyser]

So I’m considering doing Jund lands

Coram isn’t really doing it for me

If I do Jund lands I kinda wanna go the burn route

[[Iridescent Vinelasher]] and co

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/99/iridescent-vinelasher

Iridescent Vinelasher <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Lizard Assassin
Offspring (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell. If you do, when this creature enters, create a 1/1 token copy of it.)
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, this creature deals 1 damage to target opponent.
1/2

[misty geyser]

Then just scapeshift, splendid rec, Lumra and digging to the core of the earth

[lethal river]

I love that this is all in standard too

[[aftermath analyst]] too

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/148/aftermath-analyst

Aftermath Analyst <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Detective
When Aftermath Analyst enters, mill three cards.
, Sacrifice Aftermath Analyst: Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
"Could someone bring me more evidence markers? Like . . . a lot more?"
1/3

[misty geyser]

And it turns out there are only like 5 of this burn effect

So apparently we need to go to plan b

[lethal river]

tutors

[misty geyser]

Blech

I can run the burn effect

But then just add some other stuff too

Maybe some group slug stuff

Like [[burning earth]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/m14/130/burning-earth

Burning Earth <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a nonbasic land for mana, Burning Earth deals 1 damage to that player.
"Your world is formed from the same power that wraps my burning hand around your throat." —Shrazik, lavamancer

[misty geyser]

Nonbasic hate

[lethal river]

Why not like specific tutors though? Like [[green suns zenith]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/150/green-suns-zenith

Green Sun's Zenith <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library for a green creature card with mana value X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Shuffle Green Sun's Zenith into its owner's library.
As the green sun crowned, Phyrexian prophecies glowed on the Tree of Tales.

[misty geyser]

Gsz can’t grab any of the burn effects, so idk what it’d grab

[lethal river]

I mean thats an example, you get what im saying though.

[[finale of devastation]] is a better example.

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/289/finale-of-devastation

Finale of Devastation <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Search your library and/or graveyard for a creature card with mana value X or less and put it onto the battlefield. If you search your library this way, shuffle. If X is 10 or more, creatures you control get +X/+X and gain haste until end of turn.
Some spells sing a quiet tune. Others roar.

[misty geyser]

Yeh

Maybe

I just don’t like nonland tutors in general

[lethal river]

Coz its not jsut a generic tutor to grab whatever, its specifically a second copy of a burn creature i nthis instance

[misty geyser]

I also would definitely wanna do some kind of nonbasic hate stuff

And looots of basics

[lethal river]

Laughs in [[blood moon]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon

Blood Moon <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Nonbasic lands are Mountains.
Heavy light flooded across the landscape, cloaking everything in deep crimson.

[misty geyser]

I should, tbh

I prolly will

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/WR9HdOYHB0SoPAYyKyl5xg

Here’s what I’ve got so far

I think the last 15 cards need to all be removal and card draw

And I’m terribly unfamiliar with lands decks nowadays

Oh! I need more mill

I’m thinking chucking Coram into the 99?

Also, thoughts on [[conjurer’s closet]] for the additional land stuff?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/243/conjurers-closet

Conjurer's Closet <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, you may exile target creature you control, then return that card to the battlefield under your control.
"Tomorrow wears yesterday's face." —Kordel the Cryptic

[lethal river]

entish restoration is massive

im putting that in maarika

[frail flare]

It's just another in the line of not as good as harrow

There's also one from zendikar rising

[misty geyser]

What was that one called?? I was racking my brain trying to remember it

I scryfall is being dumb

[frail flare]

[[roiling regrowth]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/201/roiling-regrowth

Roiling Regrowth <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Sacrifice a land. Search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
"Roots find their way through rock, and even mountains must give way to new growth." —Nissa Revane

[lethal river]

roiling is ass

But entish with a commander that has a power of 7

[misty geyser]

It’s not bad, especially for this deck

[lethal river]

Thats a nice ramp spell

[frail flare]

I'd get [[realms uncharted]] first

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/roe/206/realms-uncharted

Realms Uncharted <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Search your library for up to four land cards with different names and reveal them. An opponent chooses two of those cards. Put the chosen cards into your graveyard and the rest into your hand. Then shuffle.

[frail flare]

over roiling regrowth really

[misty geyser]

Eh, currently the deck’s land base is just gonna be fetches and basics

[lethal river]

But it puts them into your hand?

[frail flare]

soul of windgrace wants to discard?

[lethal river]

Oh fair

Yeah...forgot that

[misty geyser]

Wasn’t there another card similar to [[valakut exploration]]? Where it like mills cards for lands and deals damage if I don’t use them

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/175/valakut-exploration

Valakut Exploration <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled.
At the beginning of your end step, if there are cards exiled with Valakut Exploration, put them into their owner's graveyard, then Valakut Exploration deals that much damage to each opponent.

[misty geyser]

Came out recently I think?

[frail flare]

The hawk

[[dragonhawk, fate's tempest]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/132/dragonhawk-fates-tempest

Dragonhawk, Fate's Tempest <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Bird Dragon
Flying
Whenever Dragonhawk enters or attacks, exile the top X cards of your library, where X is the number of creatures you control with power 4 or greater. You may play those cards until your next end step. At the beginning of your next end step, Dragonhawk deals 2 damage to each opponent for each of those cards that are still exiled.
5/5

[misty geyser]

Ohh right

Well he isn’t bad here either

Him + my commander is two

What should I do for the removal package here?

I’ve got two board wipes and no real targeted removal currently

I count blood moon, winter moon, lord windgrace and vorinclex as removal but only technically

[frail flare]

[[tear asunder]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/183/tear-asunder

Tear Asunder <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Exile target artifact or enchantment. If this spell was kicked, exile target nonland permanent instead.
No one knew why the spiritmongers were so enraged by Phyrexian technology, but it was a stroke of good luck for the Coalition.

[misty geyser]

Like resource denial

[misty geyser]

Ooh, yes

So I’m gonna be pretty defenseless to aggro, ideas for that?

Constant mists for sure

[frail flare]

[[world breaker]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/126/world-breaker

World Breaker <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Eldrazi
Devoid (This card has no color.)
When you cast this spell, exile target artifact, enchantment, or land.
Reach
, Sacrifice a land: Return World Breaker from your graveyard to your hand. ( represents colorless mana.)
5/7

[misty geyser]

That is so slow

[frail flare]

[[tiller engine]] taps things or untaps your lands

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/20/tiller-engine

Tiller Engine <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Whenever a land you control enters tapped, choose one —
• Untap that land.
• Tap target nonland permanent an opponent controls.
1/3

[frail flare]

[[bonds of mortality]] is funny when you can't afford a shadowspear

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/128/bonds-of-mortality

Bonds of Mortality <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
When Bonds of Mortality enters, draw a card.
: Creatures your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Jace discovered the leyline pattern needed to anchor Ulamog and Kozilek to reality, but it was Nissa who could trace it on her world.

[frail flare]

One card you don't have in here that has been amazing for me is [[mina and denn, wildspeaker]]

[grand hinge]

No card found for “mina and denn, wildspeaker”

[frail flare]

[[mina and denn]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/znc/94/mina-and-denn-wildborn

Mina and Denn, Wildborn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Elf Ally
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Target creature gains trample until end of turn.
Greenweaver Mina and her twin brother Denn lead the last of the Mul Daya into an uncertain future.
4/4

[frail flare]

Like hugs they're an additional land drop but also can give trample

[misty geyser]

I considered them, I’ll go ahead and add them

I do need to cut a ramp piece then

[lethal river]

i did notice that jund will struggle to control the board vs aggro unless you play [[damnation]] and co

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/73/damnation

Damnation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.

[lethal river]

and I dont really wanna kill my own dudes

[misty geyser]

There’s ways around it

Since we’re basically playing turbo ramp I threw in [[in garruk’s wake]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/759/in-garruks-wake

In Garruk's Wake <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Destroy all creatures you don't control and all planeswalkers you don't control.
Beyond pain, beyond obsession and wild despair, there lies a place of twisted power only the most tormented souls can reach.

[lethal river]

My thoughts were [[dictate of erabos]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/jou/65/dictate-of-erebos

Dictate of Erebos <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
Flash
Whenever a creature you control dies, each opponent sacrifices a creature.
"I take no pleasure in your suffering, but it is necessary. Once you accept your fate you'll find eternity more tolerable."

[lethal river]

with stuff like [[fleshbag marauder]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/111/fleshbag-marauder

Fleshbag Marauder <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Zombie Warrior
When Fleshbag Marauder enters, each player sacrifices a creature.
Grixis is a world where the only things found in abundance are death and decay. Corpses, whole or in part, are the standard currency among necromancers and demons.
3/1

[lethal river]

But that will end up in every creature but yours dies on etb

which isnt a very fun play pattern

[misty geyser]

Right

Alright, 39 land special lol

I added in [[braids nightmare]] because nobody’s sacrificing lands other than me most of the time

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/84/braids-arisen-nightmare

Braids, Arisen Nightmare <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Nightmare
At the beginning of your end step, you may sacrifice an artifact, creature, enchantment, land, or planeswalker. If you do, each opponent may sacrifice a permanent that shares a card type with it. For each opponent who doesn't, that player loses 2 life and you draw a card.
3/3

[misty geyser]

I’m thinking my card draw suite will be a lot better than I think because of soul’s activated abilities

[lethal river]

Yeah braids is mad for card draw off sacing lands

no one ever takes that

[misty geyser]

I need one more basic fetch

I got fabled, terramorphic, prismatic, evolving wilds, twisted landscape, three on color fetches and riveteers overlook

I guess myriad landscape?

[lethal river]

what about the bad commons from MH3

I wouldnt play them outside of pauper personally but eh

i dont even know what theyre called

[misty geyser]

Twisted lands

Or sorry the landscapes

[[twisted landscape]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/232/twisted-landscape

Twisted Landscape

Land
: Add .
, Sacrifice Twisted Landscape: Search your library for a basic Swamp, Mountain, or Forest card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)

[misty geyser]

Already have that one

I actually really like this one tbf

I suppose lotus field technically works lol

Ah! I can run Cabaretti Courtyard and Maestro’s Theater

Aight, deck’s done

[misty geyser]

The rest of Nadu is coming in today, so that’s exciting

Gonna have to post my mail day

[hushed tapir]

HAVE I GOT A LIST FOR YOU

Ah I see you already put together a list lol

[misty geyser]

I sure did but I’m not opposed to more ideas

[hushed tapir]

Hm my lunchbreak is almost over, you mind if I take a look at your list/shoot some suggestions once I get home? (4:00pm CST ish)

[misty geyser]

Works for me, I’m off at 5pm CST

Though I’m at work rn and just on my phone all the time lol

[hushed tapir]

(I'm so sorry this is coming a whole day late, I forgot I had a memorial for a recently deceased teacher last night)

Here's my current junds lands deck fwiw. More focused on ramping/doubling mana and jamming a massive x spell ftw but I can see myself cutting that gameplan eventually tbh https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DXVXMQycf0GIzy-Mni6vhA

I've personally been a fan of [[nahiri's lithoforming]] esp with all the crucible effects lands decks run it just read "trigger all your landfall effects + draw a card for each land you control"

[[overabundance]] is a real gnarly one if you're okay with everyone getting double mana (but you make the best use of it.

I know you're going for a ping-style/groupslug deck but six mana for [[akoum hellkite]] to only deal 1 maybe 2 damage is ROUGH

With all the fetchlands you have you're probably going to want [[lotus cobra]]

also what is [[vorinclex // the grand evolution]] doing here? sure he tutors two forests to hand but...meh? With all the ping effects you have, I feel as though you're better off running like. Mob Nix or something?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/151/nahiris-lithoforming

Nahiri's Lithoforming <:manax:292901509082120202><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Sacrifice X lands. For each land sacrificed this way, draw a card. You may play X additional lands this turn. Lands you control enter tapped this turn.
"Zendikar has suffered enough. It is time, at last, for my home to know peace."

https://scryfall.com/card/inv/259/overabundance

Overabundance <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a land for mana, that player adds one mana of any type that land produced, and Overabundance deals 1 damage to the player.

https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/36/akoum-hellkite

Akoum Hellkite <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Dragon
Flying
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, Akoum Hellkite deals 1 damage to any target. If that land is a Mountain, Akoum Hellkite deals 2 damage instead.
4/4

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/193/lotus-cobra

Lotus Cobra <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Snake
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, add one mana of any color.
Its hood blossoms as a warning: receive your gift, but stray no closer.
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/213/vorinclex-the-grand-evolution

Vorinclex <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample, reach
When Vorinclex enters, search your library for up to two Forest cards, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
: Exile Vorinclex, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.
6/6

The Grand Evolution
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Mill ten cards. Put up to two creature cards from among the milled cards onto the battlefield.
II — Distribute seven +1/+1 counters among any number of target creatures you control.
III — Until end of turn, creatures you control gain ": This creature fights target creature you don't control." Exile The Grand Evolution, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

[hushed tapir]

[[ob nixilis, captive kingpin]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/41/ob-nixilis-captive-kingpin

Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Demon
Flying, trample
Whenever one or more opponents each lose exactly 1 life, put a +1/+1 counter on Ob Nixilis, Captive Kingpin. Exile the top card of your library. Until your next end step, you may play that card.
Stranded on New Capenna without a spark, he faced five families out for blood.
4/3

[misty geyser]

I forgot to report back, but I played OG nadu yesterday and it does REAL good

Nadu usually doesn’t even matter until I have the combo up with seedborn muse and co.

[frail flare]

I thought about your deck this weekend!

Because I saw a "conspiracy theory" post about Nadu.

That original Nadu is similar to but obviously stronger than [[kianne|dsc]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/2/kianne-corrupted-memory

Kianne, Corrupted Memory <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Illusion
As long as Kianne's power is even, you may cast noncreature spells as though they had flash.
As long as Kianne's power is odd, you may cast creature spells as though they had flash.
Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Kianne.
2/2

[frail flare]

And whether or not he was changed to be different from Kianne

Because it would be a "problem" to have another commander come out a little before this one that's significantly better than a precon commander.

[misty geyser]

True, that is a really good theory.

Both are very powerful, I honestly might run kianne in the 99 at least

[frail flare]

It would make a heck of a lot of sense

More than "power level concerns" on a generic level

[misty geyser]

I mean, i’d much prefer simic to have an identity in giving things flash than the BS it currently does

[frail flare]

Absolutely

[misty geyser]

Flash is at least interesting

Not to mention seedborn flash shenanigans are my favorite thing :3

I was able to deck myself in a single turn rotation on Saturday

Speaking of which, I need to find a slot for spark jace

[hushed tapir]

Umaru, how do you feel about [[enduring curiosity]] for Errant/Giada? (I'm going through DSK/DSC rn to see if there are any upgrades the deck wants)

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/51/enduring-curiosity

Enduring Curiosity <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Cat Glimmer
Flash
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
When Enduring Curiosity dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. It's an enchantment. (It's not a creature.)
4/3

[hushed tapir]

nvm, I found a spot for it in my list

I'm down to 32 lands (33 with sink into stupor) BUT my mana curve ~effectively~ stops at 4mv, and I've got 9 mana rocks, and 2.33 lands in my average opening hand

that feels like it ~should~ be ~fine~?

I still haven't put the list into paper yet (trying to finish blinging/foiling out my existing decks before starting a new one, but moxfield goldfishing has feel ~fine~ so far

Enduring Curiosity also proc's Jackdaw Savior, which is nice

[misty geyser]

I think it’s a real good include, especially for you can top your curve at 4 you should be fine

[hasty portal]

Yes, intend to add one to my Errant and Giada deck as well.

Along with the Azorious power 3 or greater Boardwipe and Permanent Hexproof Room.

I think those two would be fabulous includes.

[misty geyser]

I really need to reinvent my e&g list, it feels like it struggles against precons let alone normal decks

[hushed tapir]

I suppose a fair question to ask is, what is the goal of your version of the deck? What do you want to be doing?

Also answering the pregame chat questions might help figure out what direction you want to go in

!pregamechat

Does it not work in threads? Cringe

[misty geyser]

Yeah i know about that

I don’t really have much of a theme

Just cast fliers and swing

But limiting myself to flyers and flash stuff as much as possible makes the deck inherently pretty weak

[hushed tapir]

(Not that I assumed you didn’t know about it, just that its useful to keep in mind)

[misty geyser]

The issue with the deck is basically “if you play into e&g the deck is weak” vs. “if you play into fliers and better flying support just run kangee/kestral”

Like I wanna do e&g because the effect is cool

But damn if it isn’t a weak theme

[hushed tapir]

Maybe opening up the theme a little more might help? If you add in some card selection that would help mitigate the downside of not being able to cast the top card with e and g

Like some scry or looting effects?

[misty geyser]

Pretty much every card I run that isn’t flash or flying is topdeck manipulation

https://moxfield.com/decks/hoCJA3nASkaOvo-Nq19Iiw

Is there some way to put counters on fliers en masse?

[hushed tapir]

Its not counters but [[rally of wings]] [[dictate of heliod]] [[force of virtue]]? Maybe?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/war/27/rally-of-wings

Rally of Wings <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Untap all creatures you control. Creatures you control with flying get +2/+2 until end of turn.
Even the clouds became a field of battle. Known as the Sky Theater, it saw the Eternals clash with squadrons of angels.

https://scryfall.com/card/c15/68/dictate-of-heliod

Dictate of Heliod <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Flash
Creatures you control get +2/+2.
"In our war Heliod gave mortals some favor, yet other times he withheld aid. Are we still no more than game pieces to him?" —Polyxene the Doubter

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/10/force-of-virtue

Force of Virtue <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If it's not your turn, you may exile a white card from your hand rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Flash
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
"Where divinity leads, victory follows." —Silverblade motto

[misty geyser]

Rally isn’t bad

Force of virtue I’ve considered because of high card velocity

Dictate of heliod is so fucking bad

[hushed tapir]

Also its not fliers specifically but [[unbreakable formation]] is +1/+1 counters

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/32/unbreakable-formation

Unbreakable Formation <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Creatures you control gain indestructible until end of turn.
Addendum — If you cast this spell during your main phase, put a +1/+1 counter on each of those creatures and they gain vigilance until end of turn.

[hushed tapir]

Thats fairrrr but a surprise +2/+2 is underrated imo

[misty geyser]

Maybe i could do cathars crusade

[hushed tapir]

Cathar’s’d be good, its a strong card

[misty geyser]

Idk, i just feel like as soon as someone has a flier with any amount of toughness I’m just dead

[hushed tapir]

Fair

[hushed tapir]

[[archetype of imagination]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/111/archetype-of-imagination

Archetype of Imagination <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment Creature — Human Wizard
Creatures you control have flying.
Creatures your opponents control lose flying and can't have or gain flying.
"Is it not the embodiment of our aspirations?" —Prokopios, astronomer of Meletis
3/2

[misty geyser]

Eh

6 mana sucks

[frail flare]

[[nils discipline]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/20/nils-discipline-enforcer

Nils, Discipline Enforcer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
At the beginning of your end step, for each player, put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature that player controls.
Each creature with one or more counters on it can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless its controller pays , where X is the number of counters on that creature.
2/2

[frail flare]

[[web of inertia]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/jud/53/web-of-inertia

Web of Inertia <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment
At the beginning of combat on each opponent's turn, that player may exile a card from their graveyard. If the player doesn't, creatures they control can't attack you this turn.
Cephalids specialize in lose-lose situations.

[frail flare]

Those are the "cheapest" options based on MV

[misty geyser]

Nah I mean I wanna crack in and can’t

[frail flare]

[[midnight pathlighter]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/afc/52/midnight-pathlighter

Midnight Pathlighter <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Human Wizard
Creatures you control can't be blocked except by legendary creatures.
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, venture into the dungeon. (Enter the first room or advance to the next room.)
2/3

[frail flare]

[[serra's emissary]]?

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/30/serras-emissary

Serra's Emissary <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel
Flying
As Serra's Emissary enters, choose a card type.
You and creatures you control have protection from the chosen card type.
Where swords fail, faith transcends.
7/7

[misty geyser]

I always forget about that dude

Serra’s emissary is actually nuts, forgot about it

[hasty portal]

I like [[Thraben Watcher]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/34/thraben-watcher

Thraben Watcher <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel
Flying, vigilance
Other nontoken creatures you control get +1/+1 and have vigilance.
"Fear not the angels' constant eyes, E'er on watch from lightless skies; Eternal vigil we will keep, Protectors of the Blessed Sleep."
2/2

[hasty portal]

Giving your creatures an anthem and vigilance and being a flier itself is just easy value.

[misty geyser]

True, and vigilance is extremely nice to have

[frail flare]

Oh right, [[Inquisitorial Rosette]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/40k/159/inquisitorial-rosette

Inquisitorial Rosette <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Inquisition Agents — Whenever equipped creature attacks, create a 2/2 white Astartes Warrior creature token with vigilance that's attacking. Then attacking creatures gain menace until end of turn.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)

[frail flare]

You like team-wide menace in azorius right?

[lethal river]

Yes

You said azorius, so im in regardless of what flavour

[misty geyser]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/2v2Q1EuI6UmVjFLwrBlZbA

@raw osprey

Here’s what I got so far

[frail flare]

Don't forget the kindred spells from the deck

But more [[formless genesis]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/34/formless-genesis

Formless Genesis <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Kindred Sorcery — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
Create an X/X colorless Shapeshifter creature token with changeling and deathtouch, where X is the number of land cards in your graveyard.
Retrace (You may cast this card from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying its other costs.)

[frail flare]

The demon one won't do much for your deck I think

[misty geyser]

Ooh

[frail flare]

[[demonic covenant]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/19/demonic-covenant

Demonic Covenant <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Kindred Enchantment — Demon
Whenever one or more Demons you control attack a player, you draw a card and lose 1 life.
At the beginning of your end step, create a 5/5 black Demon creature token with flying, then mill two cards. If two cards that share all their card types were milled this way, sacrifice Demonic Covenant.

[misty geyser]

I’ll have to look up the kindred stuff, I’ve just been trolling edhrec currently

Yeah that one’s not great

The deck’s tagged fwiw

I think I wanna fill out my removal suite too

I got some wipes in there but targeted removal is lacking a little

I want them to be two types, ideally

[frail flare]

These are all the kindred golgari spells https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3Agolgari+t%3Akindred+format%3Aedh

Yeah, there isn't much for spot removal

[[lignify]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/gvl/16/lignify

Lignify <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Kindred Enchantment — Treefolk Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature is a Treefolk with base power and toughness 0/4 and loses all abilities.
Bulgo paused, puzzled. What was that rustling sound, and why did he feel so stiff? And how could his feet be so thirsty?

[misty geyser]

That and [[eyeblight massacre]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/khc/49/eyeblight-massacre

Eyeblight Massacre <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Sorcery
Non-Elf creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn.
"I've already seen so much evil, so much darkness. Why do you insist on adding more?" —Nissa Revane, to Dwynen

[misty geyser]

Og wait no

[[eyeblight ending]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/75/eyeblights-ending

Eyeblight's Ending <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Kindred Instant — Elf
Destroy target non-Elf creature.
"Those without beauty are Lorwyn's greatest tumor. The winnowers have an unpleasant duty, but a necessary one." —Eidren, perfect of Lys Alana

[frail flare]

there's the changeling one that gives -3/-3 for 1b and removes all types

That one can be really strong

Even if it's not a strict destroy

[misty geyser]

I definitely considered that

[frail flare]

Removing types being the important part

[misty geyser]

Hm

[misty geyser]

@rich pilot https://moxfield.com/decks/L1y4xrUFmE6wsJCmFncHjA

here’s what I got so far fwiw, I actually need help on a few removal options since I’m not terribly familiar with equipment decks

It’s sort of got an infect/toxic theme paired with general equipment, might pivot off to straight infect

[frail flare]

Skrelv for meme?

[misty geyser]

I meannnnnn

If it ends up not being a meme I’m not upset

[frail flare]

I hate that I sort of like the Jeska/Sakashima idea too

[misty geyser]

It’s SO COOL

Any creature in your 99 can “be” your commander

Plus, it’s got redundancy through the magic of having two of them! (Multiple cookies for understanding that reference)

[frail flare]

[[mindskinner]]

[grand hinge]

https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/66/the-mindskinner

The Mindskinner <:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — Nightmare
The Mindskinner can't be blocked.
If a source you control would deal damage to an opponent, prevent that damage and each opponent mills that many cards.
It slices away the most precious memories first, then the mundane, until all that remains is blank, formless fear.
10/1