Lord wind grace?
#Umaru’s Decklist Thread
frail flare
Soul
misty geyser
Gotcha. Is he fun? He definitely seems just kinda fine, like ramps once a turn and that’s it
I considered Korvold fetchland tribal but that’s waaay too powerful
frail flare
I linked it in the Commander channel so any discussion doesn't take over your thread if you want.
misty geyser
Oh I gotcha. I don’t mind it haha
misty geyser
I linked it in the Commander channel so any discussion doesn't take over your th...
Since you’re sacrificing lands a good few ways, have you considered adding Korvold?
frail flare
So, Korvold was the commander
Previously
I didn't really like him. He was very "just attack" with less strategy than I like.
You have to remember I tend towards hipster commanders or combos
So I did Korvold as a jund goblin commander, and then did jund lands
I didn't like that the main combo I had for the goblin line was one I couldn't do if he was on the battlefield or it would kill me
misty geyser
Fair lol
misty geyser
I didn't really like him. He was very "just attack" with less strategy than I li...
That is what happens when big ass dragons get bigger and draw cards on attack
frail flare
Yeah, which is dull to me.
I'm sitting here making small changes to a [[Vendilion Clique]] deck.
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frail flare
Common sense isn't high on my priority list sometimes.
misty geyser
As sweet as that sounds I can’t imagine that decks power level being very high lol
frail flare
It's better than you think.
For one thing in Commander I've found it better to clique myself
misty geyser
So it’s basically just flicker with card selection
frail flare
It's honestly a lot more bouncing things
But a lot of the new faeries are going to boost things a lot, like [[Shadow Puppeteers]]
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Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying, ward 
When Shadow Puppeteers enters the battlefield, create two 1/1 black Faerie Rogue creature tokens with flying.
Whenever a creature you control with flying attacks, you may have it become a red Dragon with base power and toughness 4/4 in addition to its other colors and types until end of turn.
4/4
misty geyser
The new faeries were pretty sweet, it’s jank but I really liked [[Sleep-Cursed faerie]]
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Creature — Faerie Wizard
Flying, ward
Sleep-Cursed Faerie enters the battlefield tapped with three stun counters on it. (If it would become untapped, remove a stun counter from it instead.)
: Untap Sleep-Cursed Faerie.
3/3
frail flare
It's definitely interesting. I keep wanting to use it with things that move counters to opponent's creatures though
misty geyser
Ooh, that’d be sweet. It’s a spicy include in [[Tekuthal]] too
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
Flying
If you would proliferate, proliferate twice instead.
, Remove three counters from among other artifacts, creatures, and planeswalkers you control: Put an indestructible counter on Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
3/5
frail flare
But [[Scholar of New Horizons]] or [[Soul Diviner]]
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Creature — Human Scout
Scholar of New Horizons enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it.
, Remove a counter from a permanent you control: Search your library for a Plains card and reveal it. If an opponent controls more lands than you, you may put that card onto the battlefield tapped. If you don't put the card onto the battlefield, put it into your hand. Then shuffle.
1/1
Creature — Zombie Wizard
, Remove a counter from an artifact, creature, land, or planeswalker you control: Draw a card.
As the Eternal's cold fingers tightened around his throat, Domri realized what kind of master he had rushed to serve.
2/3
misty geyser
Ooooooh those are spicy too
frail flare
I wonder what a commander for esper or esperX decks would be for counters (other than just atraxa...)
Because need for her to stop using all the oxygen
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Legendary Creature — Sphinx Demon
Flying, ward
Whenever you attack, target attacking creature connives X, where X is the number of attacking creatures. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
1/4
misty geyser
[[Kamiz, Obscura oculus]] is good for putting a counter on a go wide board of creatures
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misty geyser
Ofc you’ve always got Reyhan//Ishai
Ooh there’s a goofy one with [[Sydri Galvanic]] where you put counters on your artifacts while they’re creatures
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
: Target noncreature artifact becomes an artifact creature with power and toughness each equal to its mana value until end of turn.
: Target artifact creature gains deathtouch and lifelink until end of turn.
2/2
misty geyser
Ooooh, for Yore-Tiller (Non green) you could do Akiri//Silas Renn using artifact that give counters
misty geyser
Alright I had a new idea
It’s straightforward RDW with a bunch of interaction, make your creatures unblock able and draw card with subira
There’s some combat damage and attack shenanigans which are really fun, but mostly I have an excuse to run my beloved [[bomat courier]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Haste
Whenever Bomat Courier attacks, exile the top card of your library face down. (You can't look at it.)
, Discard your hand, Sacrifice Bomat Courier: Put all cards exiled with Bomat Courier into their owners' hands.
1/1
misty geyser
Alright, I need some card ideas - I want to make [[Talion, Kindly Lord]] but I want to make it around cards like [[Painful Quandary]] - where players doing their thing hurts them. I’ve got a small list like Ankh of Mishra, Polluted Bonds, etc. but I’m needing more ideas
cosmic glen
Alright, I need some card ideas - I want to make [[Talion, Kindly Lord]] but I w...
I brewed a list a bit ago that was similar. I used mutate creatures and clones to put a bunch of differently numbered Talions out at once
Never played it but the idea of clones and mutaters might b of interest
misty geyser
I brewed a list a bit ago that was similar. I used mutate creatures and clones t...
I always forget that mutate removes the legendary typing
misty geyser
I’d probably include the ones that do the full package, I.e. spark double and the Sakashimas, but the idea of pinging people for basically anything they do sounded really fun lol
misty geyser
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/n-IXcActnk2ixisWaYHo0g
Figured I’d take a stab at Karador in Sheldon’s honor, and made Umori my companion for the additional twist to the deck
misty geyser
Hey y’all, just wanted to update the list that I finally purchased most of from Card Kingdom. Let me know what you think, I’m loving the idea of making expendable tokens that either always draw cards or deal damage from garna.
frail flare
I'm trying to figure out a suggested cut but [[Ashnod, Flesh Mechanist]] feels like a good inclusion
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Deathtouch
Whenever Ashnod, Flesh Mechanist attacks, you may sacrifice another creature. If you do, create a tapped Powerstone token.
, Exile a creature card from your graveyard: Create a tapped 3/3 colorless Zombie artifact creature token.
1/1
frail flare
Just to double check with [[Drivnod]] you only have 5 dies triggers that are double-able right?
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If a creature dying causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
, Exile three creature cards from your graveyard: Put an indestructible counter on Drivnod, Carnage Dominus. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
8/3
frail flare
Oh 6, lolth
misty geyser
Alright friends here’s what I got for Optimus +1/+1 counters:
misty geyser
@zealous bane https://www.moxfield.com/decks/_gBdK0VK0kqJaQErbTEJjg
What cuts to make for [[Night of sweet]]
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Enchantment
When Night of the Sweets' Revenge enters the battlefield, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Foods you control have ": Add 
."
, Sacrifice Night of the Sweets' Revenge: Creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of Foods you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
zealous bane
I’m eyeing Saheeli for the cut
You can use the food mana to pay for clues and get card draw that way
zealous bane
Yea, that one
misty geyser
Alright, it’s out. Do you know of any tchotchke related board wipes? I can’t think of any
Oko is so nasty in this deck, if he doesn’t have a juicy target to elk he can just start generating artifacts
zealous bane
Nothing like that, though [[rampage of the clans]] could be a surprise overrun when cast before you untap for your turn
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misty geyser
Ooooh, I like that
frail flare
[[Spiteful banditry]] is a weak one
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misty geyser
Here’s my rendition of Caesar, based off my old Garna list: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/exmqp-Hm9kmDdEEdcxVn8g
frail flare
I'm a little surprised Dihada didn't make it in the planeswalker section is it just because she doesn't make creature tokens?
misty geyser
Honestly there’s gonna be a lot of cards I missed, Dihada prolly won’t make it in because I’m planning to do aggro and I don’t do anything with mill and treasure tokens are just kinda fine
No edhrec, bad memory and porting it over from a rakdos deck will mean I miss a lot of stuff lol
misty geyser
Hey y’all, I finally got around to writing a short primer for my Esper Farm/Flying Men deck - give it a look! It’s been a labor of love for me and I feel it’s been in a fantastic spot recently.
misty geyser
Alright, speaking of that Esper deck, I’m gonna be updating this page with the spoilers until I can update them in moxfield.
For starters:
Ghostly Pilferer —> Malcolm, Alluring Scoundrel
Pilferer hasn’t done much work at all, especially in terms of card draw, so changing it to a flash flier is a no brainer, but a flash flier that draws cards and eventually casts the discarded ones for free? That’s hot
misty geyser
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/M32QNm1ZVk2wI3McnA5HKg
@still needle @queen siren @serene kestrel @deft reef
Here’s what I got, there are certainly ways to upgrade it but lemme know what you think! It was a fervently quick build so I’m fine with big changes too
The 4 mana slot is especially contentious considering how many of the sun titan effects care about 3 or less mv
So far there are 10 cards that very loosely fit the theme of the deck
12 once ixalan drops
[[Fell stinger]] out, [[Imperial recruiter]] in - I love being able to find all my small stuff repeatedly with the recruiters
misty geyser
I think [[Selfless cathar]] might be too cute, and maybe do better with something simple like [[Signal pest]]
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Creature — Human Cleric
, Sacrifice Selfless Cathar: Creatures you control get +1/+1 until end of turn.
"If I fail to offer myself, we will surely be overrun. My fate would be the same."
1/1
misty geyser
I’m ngl I think Carmen is gonna be better after brewing around with this
Losing probably the three worst sun titans is a small price to pay to get an insanely good one in the cz
Man she’s just so busted
WAIT SHE HAS FLYING WTF
misty geyser
Losing Kroxa seems rough
Eh, the deck can’t fill the yard very fast tbh
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misty geyser
And really, that’s free up slots for more [[Fleshbag Marauders]] which makes her go crazy
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still needle
Mesmeric is also my "anti green" choice a lot of the time. You wanna tap 25 mana in a turn you best be okay only having 2/3 of your deck left.
(This is not a huge downside but casual players think it is and it will dissuade them somewhat)
Or force them to remove it if they've already drawn a lot/lost deck to something
serene kestrel
I don't know if I'd consider milling green a deterrent haha
Maybe if they're close to being milled out
still needle
Unless they're on very specific cards/strategies I'm always happy to see them lose access to certain cards
serene kestrel
Eh, the deck can’t fill the yard very fast tbh
Was talking about the 2 mana kroxa
misty geyser
Was talking about the 2 mana kroxa
Oh yea that does kinda suck
We have plenty of similar options in mono black though, even as simple [[elderfang disciple]]
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serene kestrel
Much worse cause of the lack of damage and self sac but we'll see
misty geyser
Ooh. [[Sling-Gang Lieutenanr]]
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misty geyser
OOF [[Cataclysmic gearhulk]]
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misty geyser
[[God eternal bontu]]
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misty geyser
[[Ravenous Rotbelly]]
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frail flare
I hate that Carmen makes me almost want to include Tergrid when I think about building it.
misty geyser
I hate that Carmen makes me almost want to include Tergrid when I think about bu...
You’re right, but also ew
frail flare
That's my feeling too. In the same way the Axolotl makes me almost want to play island hate cards. And it's not often where commanders will be like that.
Usually it takes a little to get to the "But, have you considered the evil option?"
misty geyser
Tbf she also really wants you to play fetchlands and that’s where my mind went first lol
frail flare
Thinking about her with fetches is interesting with that one vampire in the dihada deck
[[Verrak, Warped Sengir]]
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misty geyser
Yeye verrak is crazy
Another thing I realized is the life gain enables [[Celestine saint]] as another pseudo sun titan
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still needle
Do we count [[rodolf]] in that then?
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Angel
Flying, deathtouch, lifelink
Whenever you gain life, Rodolf Duskbringer gains indestructible until end of turn.
At the beginning of your end step, you may pay 
. When you do, return target creature card with mana value X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield, where X is the amount of life you gained this turn.
4/4
still needle
He's also a vampire which is nice
misty geyser
I’d say yea, I don’t care about vampires for sun titan.dek but that could be relevant
This does have me going on Tergrid’s edhrec page which is icky
frail flare
😅
misty geyser
I need 3 or less cmc creatures that make people sac lol
frail flare
[[Moira|DMC]] is great for that
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frail flare
in that she loops them
Oh wait, need to restrict it by mana
Here's all just creatures that are cmc 3 or less https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3Aorzhov+o%3A"each+player+sacrifices"+format%3Acommander+t%3Acreature+cmc<%3D3&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
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lethal river
Usually it takes a little to get to the "But, have you considered the evil optio...
I always consider it. No matter what evil it is, it’s always at least on the table for an idea
frail flare
Oh I do too, just not usually as the first thought
misty geyser
Alright Y’all, here’s the Carmen list. I’m certain there’s changes that could be made so let me know, in particular I’m interested in spicy includes to help buff my creatures and end games quicker, and I’m willing to drop some removal to do so
frail flare
[[Trinisphere]] could be interesting here.
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Artifact
As long as Trinisphere is untapped, each spell that would cost less than three mana to cast costs three mana to cast. (Additional mana in the cost may be paid with any color of mana or colorless mana. For example, a spell that would cost to cast costs to cast instead.)
frail flare
If you're basically starting the cards you're casting at 3.
Just based on the amount of discard/mill
misty geyser
[[Trinisphere]] could be interesting here.
Oof that’s a great idea
lethal river
God I love 3circle
misty geyser
I’m gonna add it. Thoughts on a cut?
lethal river
So what’s the goal here, sorry I haven’t read all the chat above
It looks like forced sacrifice through repeated reanimation
You just planning to voltron down and drain people
still needle
Its "sun titan typal"
lethal river
Oh my god. I found another deck I need to play then. I absolutely love sun Titan. I try to play it in all my decks if I can find space
And assuming I have more than like 4 targets ofc
Is there a reason for no buried alive/entomb/vile entomber etc?
frail flare
[[Witch king of angmar]] for a cut?
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lethal river
Yeah that doesn’t feel very sun Titan to me
Gravelighter is absolutely crazy. What
It’s fleshbag with extra bits
lethal river
@misty geyser just asking again, is there any reason you aren’t playing graveyard tutor cards? Was this deliberate?
misty geyser
<@180801337947193345> just asking again, is there any reason you aren’t playing ...
I’m not a huge fan of tutors, but I did have entomb in there at one point and took it out in favor of a creature I could reanimate to draw cards or similar. I could maybe add [[Vile entomber]] but I prefer to keep the nonland permanents at 3 mana for more sun titans to be able to grab
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misty geyser
[[Witch king of angmar]] for a cut?
That’s not a bad idea, it was included just because I like it and can trigger Carmen
Trinisphere added
lethal river
Ok fair enough. Vile entomber would be pretty cracked with the forced sac and reanimation, it’s just the 4MV is a little rough
lethal river
I’ve had a look through and the effect on a creature starts at 4 mana
[[oriq loremage]] [[vile entomber]] [[corpse connoisseur]] [[gravebreaker lamia]] [[burning rune demon]] are some of the best
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Creature — Human Warlock
: Search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle. If it's an instant or sorcery card, put a +1/+1 counter on Oriq Loremage.
Nothing can quell the Oriq's thirst for the forbidden secrets of the past.
3/3
Creature — Zombie Wizard
When Corpse Connoisseur enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a creature card, put that card into your graveyard, then shuffle.
Unearth 
(: Return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step or if it would leave the battlefield. Unearth only as a sorcery.)
3/3
Enchantment Creature — Snake Lamia
Lifelink
When Gravebreaker Lamia enters the battlefield, search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle.
Spells you cast from your graveyard cost less to cast.
4/4
misty geyser
Hmmm
lethal river
So there’s plenty of that sort of card however. It starts at 4 mana and that doesn’t really work so well here
misty geyser
I might still consider it. I’m looking through things again and I think [[Ranger captain of eos]] isn’t as effective as I thought
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misty geyser
I might also be underestimating Carmen’s ability to get +1/+1 counters
lethal river
I might still consider it. I’m looking through things again and I think [[Ranger...
This only tutors esper sentinel and viscera seer
How often do you find you need a silence effect
misty geyser
Yea, that’s why I’m not up on it
misty geyser
How often do you find you need a silence effect
This is still within my meta so not often, plus it’s a little mean for my groups
lethal river
Like in my local meta a silence in a body that you can reoccur is wild, it does bits.
So my opinion of ranger is way higher than average
misty geyser
I think just for the lack of tutor targets I’m more prone to letting it go.
lethal river
Yeah I’d say that’s a cut you could make with relative ease
misty geyser
Now here’s a question: what’s a good way to buff all my creatures while also giving me a sac outlet? Bonus points for 3 or less mana permanent
still needle
[[Aron benalia]]
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Human
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
, , Sacrifice another creature: Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control.
"He may look like my father, but the man I knew and loved is gone." —Danitha
3/3
still needle
I didn't look at the list so this may be in there but it's a house of a card
misty geyser
Has it been good for you? It seems kinda meh but maybe I’m underrating
lethal river
Yeah you should play that
It’s a +1/+1 counter on each creature, that’s surprisingly effective after just a couple of turns
Trust me if Hylda has taught me anything it’s that +1/+1s are wild if your board is wider
still needle
It also buffs the sun titan effect on your commander/scalelord
lethal river
The other card I was gonna suggest is [[invasion of gobakhan]] it doesn’t have a sac outlet though and it’s just an anthem
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Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Gobakhan enters the battlefield, look at target opponent's hand. You may exile a nonland card from it. For as long as that card remains exiled, its owner may play it. A spell cast this way costs more to cast.
Defense: 3
Lightshield Array
Enchantment
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature that attacked this turn.
Sacrifice Lightshield Array: Creatures you control gain hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
The weight of Phyrexia crashed down upon Gobakhan, but the will of its people endured.
still needle
And yeah, a permabuff to a whole board is not to be overlooked
lethal river
Can also mess with peoples plans, so it’s definitely a suggestion at least.
still needle
I mean the fact it can sac itself for protection to be brought back and killed for more protection is wild
lethal river
It seems good in this deck imo, I normally hate battles
But it’s something sun Titan can slap while bringing something else back and then it can sac it’s self for more value.
misty geyser
I’ll add it, you’re right about triggering Carmen and putting counters on her and scalelord
Is there any removal y’all aren’t a fan of?
I’m really need to add a few more ways to buff the board, I currently only have 5
…I just realized I don’t have [[Redemption Choir]] in the deck
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misty geyser
I’m dum
I’m taking out Rakshasa Debaser for it as it doesn’t actually reanimate my stuff
[[!Rakshasa Debase]]
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misty geyser
What do y’all think of [[Altar wretched]] in this?
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Artifact
When Altar of the Wretched enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a nontoken creature. If you do, draw X cards, then mill X cards, where X is that creature's power.
Craft with one or more creatures
: Return Altar of the Wretched from your graveyard to your hand.
Wretched Bonemass
Creature — Skeleton Horror
Wretched Bonemass's power and toughness are each equal to the total power of the exiled cards used to craft it.
Wretched Bonemass has flying as long as an exiled card used to craft it has flying. The same is true for first strike, double strike, deathtouch, haste, hexproof, indestructible, lifelink, menace, protection, reach, trample, and vigilance.
*/*
lethal river
Isn’t a creature and needs another creature in play to sacrifice to get the payoff. Then just becomes keyword soup when your deck isn’t really made for keyword soup.
I’d say that’s a pass imo
It’s ok but I wouldn’t play it
misty geyser
That’s fair. Any more ideas for some persistent self mill? I feel like 2 pieces and hopes and dreams aren’t quite enough for consistently filling my yard
Wish I had my beloved [[Skull prophet]] lol
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Creature — Human Druid
: Add or .
: Mill two cards.
"I study bone because that's where truth dwells. One monster knucklebone is wiser than all that damp meat in your head."
3/1
misty geyser
Best thing I could find was Stitcher’s Supplier, and maybe Airlift Chaplain
OOH, [[Altar of the Brood]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Whenever equipped creature attacks, you may mill two cards.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
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misty geyser
Ooh yea golgari thug is a good idea
lethal river
[[perpetual timepiece]] maybe
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Artifact
: Mill two cards.
, Exile Perpetual Timepiece: Shuffle any number of target cards from your graveyard into your library.
Do not be so caught up in keeping track of time that you forget to make use of it.
misty geyser
Peer is a pretty wild all in kinda card?
PitA?
That’s a good one, but proooobably too all in for how grindy this deck is
misty geyser
There’s also [[Tymaret Calls the dead]]
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lethal river
[[stitchers supplier]] if its not already there
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misty geyser
That ones really good
lethal river
[[doom whisperer]] is massive
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lethal river
life = mill
lethal river
Ive hated burnished for a long time
So that wouldnt have even made the list for me, even a first draft
misty geyser
Banewhip Punisher —> Golgari Thug
lethal river
Sensible cuts imo
misty geyser
Banewhip was a cute copy of fleshbag from the start
I thought it was cool, but cool =/= good
Is OG Sheoldred good here? I think the sacrifice is incredibly significant
And the reanimation makes it a very loosely definedpseudo sun titan
lethal river
I can only give you a biased opinion
I love Elesh norn and Sheoldred
If I can fit them in, I will. Those are my pet cards
misty geyser
That’s not biased, that’s based
I’ll keep ‘em
I definitely don’t think MoM or Elesh Norn will make the cut here, I don’t really like either of them
ETBs getting doubled could be nice but meh
lethal river
Its a mean stax card
misty geyser
That’s another part of it too
lethal river
You dont realise how good it is until you play it and say yeah no ETBs every 5 seconds
and I like flip Norn just coz army in a can /shrug
But you arent looking for that kind of effect here so its void.
misty geyser
What’s nuts to me is that flip norn, on her own, can put enough power on board to do thirty five damage
In one flip
[[Elesh Norn]]
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Vigilance
Whenever a source an opponent controls deals damage to you or a permanent you control, that source's controller loses 2 life unless they pay .
, Sacrifice three other creatures: Exile Elesh Norn, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/5
The Argent Etchings
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Incubate 2 five times, then transform all Incubator tokens you control.
II — Creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain double strike until end of turn.
III — Destroy all other permanents except for artifacts, lands, and Phyrexians. Exile The Argent Etchings, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
lethal river
Thats why we love mommy
I really want number 307/500 for that norn. (number is significant to me and the art looks fire)
misty geyser
That’d be sick. Has it been opened/sold yet?
lethal river
I am not certain, but its gonna be $1-2k which im not currently wanting to pay.
misty geyser
Taking a loan out for a magic card is a new level of down bad lmao
lethal river
Id just have to save for a few months and not buy any new cards, which uh wont happen, so ill just accept that I wont own it. (I think the wife would actually kill me if she found out I bought a card for that much)
misty geyser
Yea, 4 - 6 months of car payments is NOT worth a single card
misty geyser
Here’s my current raggyboi Voltron if you’re interested
I need to rebuild it tbh
It’s also very outdated, I haven’t caught it up other than adding a Diamond Pickaxe
If you can get a sword or two on him he gets scary quick and can’t be dealt with
misty geyser
Thanks! It’s just kinda goofy. The list that had that 100% win rate was way worse, it was actually just a janky collection deck and I wanted to improve it
verbal bane
Thiz is the improved version I take it?
misty geyser
Yep! I haven’t built it but I can only imagine it’s better
I do a lot of online brewing and not actually building 😅
verbal bane
I do that too. Trying to figure out what deck to build next. Been teetering between M@rchesa Goblins, man lands deck I pinged mxkale about to check out and gretta food stuff
misty geyser
Here’s my take of that new merfolk precon - so much of it is so well built I wasn’t even sure what to change
misty geyser
I do that too. Trying to figure out what deck to build next. Been teetering betw...
Lemme know how man lands and march3sa go, I made a man lands deck that turned into more of a combo deck than anything so I took it apart lol
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Lemme know how man lands and march3sa go, I made a man lands deck that turned in...
I got the queens decklist finished. Just not goldfished and tested. Man lands I posted a list here in deckbuilding and I need to cut stuff before I start the goldfishing process.
Goblin deck if interested in the list.
verbal bane
NP. I may make the queens janky court next. Mostly made it as an excuse to run Fervent Charge and Mardu Ascendancy in one deck.
misty geyser
Ngl i thought you meant grixis m@rchesa lmao
That would make for a super cool goblins/aristocrats build
verbal bane
Grixis one? Never considered it. I just saw those two enchantments and saw the queen in my binder and thought “she’ll send these dorks first as cannon fodder before sending the real army”
Hence why mordor trebuchet is there. Flavor
misty geyser
Hey y’all, I’ve gotten this deck down to $65.55, but my current goal is to get it down to $50. Any ideas for cards I can replace some of the more expensive stuff with? I’d preferably like it to keep the same function in the deck.
I’m thinking I’d do well by finding some equipment that give evasion and at least +1/+0
lethal river
Will take a look this evening as I’m interested in anything cats atm
verbal bane
I saw it. Probably remove Leonin Warleader?
misty geyser
I saw it. Probably remove Leonin Warleader?
Ye, I was trying to figure out what I could replace it with because it’s so effective at making cats
[[hedgewitch mask]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1.
Equipped creature can't be blocked by creatures with power 4 or greater.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
In Kessig, even celebration wears a fearsome face.
verbal bane
Yeah. But at least is a significant cut. And probs replace Shared Triumph with something else
misty geyser
This is pretty decent
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[[$Always Watching]]
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misty geyser
Vigilance can be significant
Looking at the classic anthems was my next step for sure
verbal bane
Replace Shared Triumph for that
frail flare
[[Mirror Entity]]?
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Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
: Until end of turn, creatures you control have base power and toughness X/X and gain all creature types.
Unaware of Lorwyn's diversity, it sees only itself, reflected a thousand times over.
1/1
verbal bane
Theres another one in white that also does boost
misty geyser
[[Mirror Entity]]?
Maybe, but Kutzil wants them to have a higher power than their base power
verbal bane
Um. Probs use something else to make cats for Leonin Warleader?
frail flare
It's more to just make everything a cat. [[Champion of Lambholt]]
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frail flare
Is at least a warrior so it triggers for shared types with your commander
misty geyser
It's more to just make everything a cat. [[Champion of Lambholt]]
I see
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[[Hungry Lynx]]
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Nvmd
misty geyser
[[$hungry lynx]]
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misty geyser
Eh it’s an improvement
frail flare
[[Jeddit Ojanen of Eff]]?
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[[Nacatl War Pride]]
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misty geyser
6 mana just kinda sucks lol
frail flare
Mm
misty geyser
[[$Nacatl War Pride]]
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[[Nishoba Brawler]]
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frail flare
If you give them menace they're unblockable
verbal bane
Yah
frail flare
The mythic one? How much is it now?
misty geyser
[[$sov okinec]]
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misty geyser
I’m currently eyeing a replacement for [[$Vanquisher’s Banner]]
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misty geyser
Perhaps an equipment that draws and makes a creature bigger
verbal bane
Hmm. [[Mask of Memory]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may draw two cards. If you do, discard a card.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
misty geyser
Doesn’t make the creature bigger but it’s a good one
verbal bane
🤷♂️
misty geyser
Alternatively, it could make the creature evasive and draw
I’m just trying to fill spots with more versatile stuff
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[[Slate of ancestry]]
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Artifact
, , Discard your hand: Draw a card for each creature you control.
The pattern of life can be studied like a book, if you know how to read it.
misty geyser
[[$Slate if Ancestry]]
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misty geyser
Oh wow those have dropped
verbal bane
[[Welcoming Vampire]] [[Tocasia’s Welcome]]. More expensive yeah but still.
misty geyser
Holy smokes why is [[Starlight spect]] less than $0.50
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frail flare
Perhaps an equipment that draws and makes a creature bigger
[[Skull clamp]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/-1.
Whenever equipped creature dies, draw two cards.
Equip
The mind is a beautiful bounty encased in an annoying bone container.
misty geyser
[[$Skullclamp]]
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frail flare
It makes things bigger and if the cat dies you'd draw.
verbal bane
You draw no matter what
frail flare
Is there a severe price restriction on this list? I'm trying to not suggest expensive inclusions. I just want to make sure.
verbal bane
50$ target from what Umaru mentioned
misty geyser
I’d actually wanna drop it to about $36 to make the deck + sleeves $50 but his is my first goal
misty geyser
Yea lol
verbal bane
I think 50$ is a more achiveable goal
misty geyser
Maybe I need to rethink it if I wanna keep it good, I was just seeing what I could do mostly
So the intention of the deck is to make it to where I can give the deck away to new players
I wanted it to be low cost but still fun to play, and so I can buy it and let new players play it, and if they’re interested in the deck I can just give it to them
This is an idea that Dana from EDHRec had and I wanted to find a deck to do that
I may retool it away from cat tribal I just know that cats are an EXTREMELY easy way to hook new people
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[[keen sense]]
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[[Hunter's Insight]]
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I'm filtering by sub $2 for card draw in selesnya
misty geyser
Hunters insight might be a good burst option
frail flare
[[hunter's prowess]]
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misty geyser
I do suppose infiltration lens is a type of evasion
frail flare
[[Seasoned Dungeoneer]]
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also lowering the amount of non basics. and adding [[Endless Atlas]] with more basics in the deck
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Artifact
, : Draw a card. Activate only if you control three or more lands with the same name.
Guarded by cartographers, disdained by warlords, coveted by adventurers.
misty geyser
Oh - I wonder if there is perhaps another type that would work better under a budget
I know elves can be built hella cheap
frail flare
I think cats can be
verbal bane
I mean, yeah. they also have more lords than cats
cats seems more thematic tbh
you can also do both and do a mix and lean more for elves?
misty geyser
I also just really like Kutzil so I’ll prolly make a few decks for him lol
Lemme finish cats first
I’m down to $53.26
verbal bane
it something
probably changed phyrexian printing ajani for english one. may help with the pricing
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and the foil beast whisperer?
misty geyser
and the foil beast whisperer?
That was a promo from the crappy mystery boxes
verbal bane
but is good to have everything english to be more consistent
misty geyser
Yknow, I’m pretty happy with the $52 mark
verbal bane
alright. As long as it works for you
I was going to suggest cutting realmwaker and adding a thought vessel. deck will probs need it
verbal bane
i mean... technically he's not a cat XD
misty geyser
He is by all metrics that check to see if he is
misty geyser
Has [[Alms coll]] done… anything? For you guys?
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[[Alms Collector]]
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frail flare
It's a way to cut down the number of cards drawn in total
verbal bane
[[$alms collector]]
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verbal bane
Has [[Alms coll]] done… anything? For you guys?
never used it before
frail flare
In that if they were supposed to draw 3, instead only one each is drawn.
So it's sort of meta dependant
If they're doing a lot of "do x -> draw a card" then it isn't worth it.
misty geyser
Most cards nowadays are do x, draw so it’s pretty bad
verbal bane
i had to cut deep gnome terramancer cuz it was beiung wasted on my angel deck
misty geyser
If I want to cut Realmwalker I’d like to replace it with a draw spell, ideally attached to a cat
frail flare
I mean draw a single card. It's great for skull clamps
verbal bane
and blue decks
misty geyser
I mean draw a single card. It's great for skull clamps
No I know, most things draw one trigger at a time nowadays
verbal bane
you can also use the "no one searches deck unless you pay tax" cat
frail flare
...
frail flare
Now I just thought of a deck name of "Cat Stax Fever"
verbal bane
delivers bad conotation to new players
misty geyser
[[Leonin Arbiter]]
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Creature — Cat Cleric
Players can't search libraries. Any player may pay for that player to ignore this effect until end of turn.
"Our people are torn by infighting. Until the two sides reconcile, our laws can carry no meaning."
2/2
misty geyser
Already in the deck
frail flare
delivers bad conotation to new players
I didn't say it was supposed tobe a good connotation to new players. I was talking about the horrible idea of a heavy stax deck with cats.
misty geyser
Stax cats
misty geyser
You could also play off the old Mad Catz products lol
verbal bane
https://tenor.com/view/epic-sax-hunk-hump-gif-13998045
my mind went to this rather quick
frail flare
Fair
verbal bane
sorry umaru.
frail flare
Same
misty geyser
? I thought it was funny lol
verbal bane
i dunno. I rather apologize than be told i was being inappropriate XD
misty geyser
Alright. Down to $50.30
misty geyser
Fair
I’m glad I got it down to $50, but I’m anxious of the power level of the deck
Though tbh budget has never been my forte so it’ll take some practice
frail flare
Price filters are really useful
Also make sure if it's using Card Kingdom pricing or TCG pricing
TCG lowest price can drop things a lot
verbal bane
indeed.
also, a lot of precons nowadays are good enough to keep up with some 400$ decks and up
still needle
I just used the auras precon from eldraine as a base for my Cutzil. Wanted something less monstrous than ellivere and less dull/bad than the Director
lethal river
Holy smokes why is [[Starlight spect]] less than $0.50
What on earth is this card.
That is an absolutely outrageous anthem even if it is 4 mana
misty geyser
It’s a great card, I always think of it as a easier to deal with [[Cathar crusade]]
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misty geyser
If you like cathar’s crusade and don’t like dealing with cathars crusade this is the next best thing
I can’t find any 😠
lethal river
I like it and play it while also using Defiler of vigor
So I play with two of the effect haha
misty geyser
Nobody around me has them and whenever I go to buy cards online they’re out of stock
So yeah… this was way easier to build
lethal river
Rip. Makes me realise how spoiled I am in Europe with card market. I never have an issue with any card availability. Just sometimes you pay crazy postage
frail flare
The reason more people don't play it is it has similar mental bookkeeping to cathar's crusade.
misty geyser
But you can play with that much easier than cathars crusade with things like tokens,
That and the math is much much easier without having to move all the counters around and count them up
lethal river
You are going to struggle to make cuts for budget here
The only cards I can see are the more expensive elves and the two artifacts.
Everything else is already dirt cheap basically
I don’t think you can take out the two artifacts as they are providing a lot of card draw/card advantage.
misty geyser
Nah that one’s fine, the one I was struggling on was the cat tribal one
lethal river
Tbf I can’t think of a cat that can be your commander and draws you cards
Generally using a commander that draws cards is the backbone of budget
misty geyser
Yea, that’s why I liked it
My problem is I couldn’t find enough cats that weren’t super expensive and also weren’t like… French vanilla 2/2s for 4
lethal river
Yeah this is my problem with my math cats deck. All the good cats are worth money. So I can’t really make it budget, so I’m trying to keep the card quality lower to allow it to play with precons and mid decks
frail flare
[[Phabine]] draws cards
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frail flare
So does [[rigo, streetwise]]
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still needle
Rigo can make small weird vanillas viable
Use post or on attack buffs to make the trigger work or rely on things like [[jasmine of the boreal]] for consistent damage
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Creature — Human Wizard
, : Reveal any number of white cards in your hand. You gain 2 life for each card revealed this way.
1/1
still needle
[[Jasmine boreal of the seven]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Druid
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast creature spells with no abilities.
Creatures you control with no abilities can't be blocked by creatures with abilities.
"I've had my adventures. All I wish now is to sit in peace and speak with the pines."
2/4
still needle
Scryfall fighting me at every turn
misty geyser
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/j5cPuyiNCU6wJjMF1C0c6A
Here’s a fever dream I made, figured @craggy owl would appreciate this
misty geyser
[[Jasmine boreal of the seven]]
This is a cool one
misty geyser
So does [[rigo, streetwise]]
I’d build rigo as evasive creatures.dek similar to my Tymna//Malcolm deck
Filled with evasive creatures and attack buffs
craggy owl
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/j5cPuyiNCU6wJjMF1C0c6A
Here’s a fever dream I ma...
Blessed, this is the kind of haymaker dopamine that goes straight into my veins.
misty geyser
Idk how consistent Lotho is but I would definitely enjoy this
craggy owl
Also Lotho triggering off your own second spell in a turn is nice.
misty geyser
True but I have a feeling we ain’t casting two spells a turn here lol
craggy owl
Besides mana rock + haymaker same turn? Not often.
verbal bane
@misty geyser friend of mine said he’ll post the list online. Once I have a link I’ll put it here
still needle
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NSAB_oTiOU-XPBE0KuaZZg @misty geyser My first draft, havent tested much but it presents where I want the deck to go.
Loops 3 drops that murder creatures: check
Has lots of sun titans: check
Plays at sorcery speed for more casual vibes: check
Has finishers in the form of mass creature buffs: check
misty geyser
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NSAB_oTiOU-XPBE0KuaZZg <@180801337947193345> My f...
YOOOO IVE NEVER SEEN [[Custodi Soulcaller]]
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misty geyser
That’s dope asf
still needle
I have it in my [[!Kaya Ghiest Hunter]]//[[!Angelic Ascension]] Oathbreaker deck and it is very nice
misty geyser
I have it in my [[!Kaya Ghiest Hunter]]//[[!Angelic Ascension]] Oathbreaker deck...
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZCsLDqLVm0KRs3xwVM1ctg
Here’s my list for comparison btw
still needle
its linked above, have briefly glanced over
rodolf probably finds a slot tbf
Although perhaps breena instead, my limited testing has found draw to be a consistent issue
still needle
I wanted to use blood tokens for vampire/sacrifice synergy but I just dont think theyre quite worthwhile. gonna take a look at those and make adjustments
frail flare
I love blood tokens but I think they're more useful as a serious "theme" for mono-b or rakdos.
still needle
I'll throw in morbid opportunist instead of the "nontoken death + blood" guy
frail flare
If you're using a lot of the "sacrifice an artifact" cards having them created incidentally is nice. But isn't necessary.
still needle
tempting to keep the if gain = blood token in end step but id rather have something more useful
still needle
If you're using a lot of the "sacrifice an artifact" cards having them created i...
enough that i didnt mind having them around. Sivriss etc
misty geyser
Although perhaps breena instead, my limited testing has found draw to be a consi...
Breena is best include
frail flare
Breena is such a frustrating card to play against.
It's a great card but it's like watching people not pay for rhystic study.
misty geyser
Those 2 counters add up really quick as well
still needle
synergises more with my [[unforgiving one]] too
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still needle
its modified sun titan :p
frail flare
Yeah, and people don't want you removing Breena until it gets to that danger point because of the card draw.
misty geyser
I thought my list was pretty comprehensive
frail flare
It's not one people think about often
still needle
I dont want to run Drana bc of legendary count, is this sensible?
misty geyser
People are pretty good about evaluating breena at my LGS
misty geyser
I dont want to run Drana bc of legendary count, is this sensible?
Yea, I just want to run every non-useless sun titan effect
frail flare
I didn't bring unforgiving one up because you were sticking pretty strongly to vampires originally
still needle
hm, 21 non legends? Maybe drana can make the cut. But opponents choice too... hm
misty geyser
[[drana last bloodchief]]
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frail flare
Usually the way that works out for you is if none of their choices are bad for you.
still needle
Yea, I just want to run every non-useless sun titan effect
do you count [[terror of towashi]]
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Creature — Phyrexian Ogre
Deathtouch
Whenever Terror of Towashi attacks, you may pay . When you do, return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It's a Phyrexian in addition to its other types.
Takumi knew where all the bodies were buried. After all, he'd buried most of them.
4/3
still needle
I didn't like paying for it but it is on-cost
misty geyser
I’ll have to see
still needle
kinda wanna cut something for [[burning rune demon]]
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frail flare
Is [[Order of Whiteclay]] too narrow/expensive?
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Creature — Kithkin Cleric
, 
: Return target creature card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. ( is the untap symbol.)
Made from the clay of burial mounds, the face paint of the priests is a sign of their respect for those whose rest they interrupt.
1/4
frail flare
I just found one I've never seen before [[Devoted Crop-Mate]]
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misty geyser
Hmmmmmmm
Exert is pretty bad here
And our cutoff has been 3mv
Only retuning 2mv creatures is pretty bad
frail flare
Yeah, I was just sort of shocked at how weird it is.
still needle
opening up to 2cmc gives like 3 more options but I didnt like them
misty geyser
kinda wanna cut something for [[burning rune demon]]
Burning rune demon is pretty great, especially here
I’m not very high on Rodolf.
I don’t have a ton of lifegain in the deck and paying 2 mana is pretty annoying to keep up
still needle
Rodolf is self gaining, and carmen is a source for it but is hard to get up high unless you're on a more token based strat than us
misty geyser
I mean, we already have Celestine
frail flare
[[Peace of Mind]]?
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Enchantment
, Discard a card: You gain 3 life.
Not all minds touched by the Eldrazi turn to raging psychosis. Some simply withdraw from this world into memories of a better one.
frail flare
That's one I've used in decks with Celestine.
still needle
I am pretty happy with my current list. Keep not drawing the draw in playtesting but like, what can I do about that?
Probably gonna swap collectors vault for something with consistent draw stapled on.
rather than selection
frail flare
I think your list looks great. [[Shadowheart]] is probably the only drwa I could think of really.
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Legendary Creature — Human Elf Cleric
, , Sacrifice another creature: Draw X cards, where X is that creature's power.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
"Shar's will shall be done. As sure as night will fall."
3/4
frail flare
That's not etb based (disciple of bolas) or on a spell
still needle
I do very much like shadowheart. I was thinking [[firemane commando]] but shadowheart also very nice
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frail flare
If you're thinking of the commando there's always [[Chivalric Alliance]] for a similar effect.
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Enchantment
Whenever you attack with two or more creatures, draw a card.
, Discard a card: Create a 2/2 white and blue Knight creature token with vigilance.
"I dub thee Syr Hellraker. For now."
still needle
I wanted firemane for its flying
if im attacking with carmen most turns having something to dissuade flyers is useful
frail flare
I was talking about in addition to but also graveyard.
Yeah, flying creatures, ways of giving flying or vigilance then?
still needle
vigiliance is on some things naturally plus felidar retreat
flying is on my top of curve and a couple small guys like [[gravelighter]]
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still needle
breena helps this too
eternal wanderer is psuedo vigiliance if no other good targets
still needle
Feels like this should be competent but I still have concerns. Can't know till I see it played against real decks at this point though. I should work on the precon vampire deck now.
frail flare
What were the issues other than draw?
still needle
Without Carmen I feel I'm light on reanimation for non-creatures but that was always gonna be an issue. Not quite sure I like [[spirit sisters calling]] enough to add that to offset
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still needle
Also added a swiftfoot alongside the Greaves and Cloak for maximum protection for Carmen
/haste on titans etc
think this is fine enough anyway. ill likely cut a plaguecrafter effect for an instant speed exile at some point but for now im happy enough
frail flare
What about [[Sevinne's Reclamation]]?
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Sorcery
Return target permanent card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. If this spell was cast from a graveyard, you may copy this spell and may choose a new target for the copy.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
still needle
I do have a spare one tbf
sure, cut collectors for it
probs gonna cut vish kal for a cheaper sac outlet even if its removal
frail flare
It's also a flyer
still needle
GOD ETERNAL BONTU okay cool draw problem solved AND I get a crocodile
misty geyser
Also added a swiftfoot alongside the Greaves and Cloak for maximum protection fo...
I need to find spots for those in my deck too, I think she’s gonna get laser guided tomahawk missiles pointed at her the second she hits the field
Bontu is pretty great
still needle
Okay no more changes for now, list is good by my eye
misty geyser
Okay no more changes for now, list is good by my eye
Is [[Butcher of Malakir]] doing work for you?
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misty geyser
Also Sanguine Spy is cool, but I wouldn’t think it’d be more effective than, say, something that explores consistently
still needle
Sanguine is draw as well as a sac outlet and a graveyard filler, could arguably be [[Legion vanguard]] I guess
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Creature — Vampire Soldier
, Sacrifice another creature: Legion Vanguard explores. (Reveal the top card of your library. Put that card into your hand if it's a land. Otherwise, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature, then put the card back or put it into your graveyard.)
It takes guts to be a trailblazer.
2/2
still needle
But I hadn't seen sanguine before now so I just wanna run it
Vanguard I've played a lot before
still needle
Is [[Butcher of Malakir]] doing work for you?
Flying beatstick with a grave pact on is never gonna be bad to me, but it's impossible to tell till I play it in game honestly. I wanted to maybe run [[doom foretold]] in that slot
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misty geyser
Ooh, legion vanguard is cool
still needle
I've had a lot of experience with it, it was what I used instead of Viscera Seer in a lot of decks
Sure it costs mana but the selection, gy filling and free land drops was worth it in any non-infinite scenario
I still have it in chainer
misty geyser
[[Solitary Confinement]] is a spicy card
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still needle
I don't mind the sac or discard most of the time so I figure it's a nice effect to have access to in a pinch
hasty portal
Dang I totally missed out on helping with the budget Kutzli project T^T
My bad.
At least you realized how awesome Starlight Spectacular is 😄
Well I was going to at least suggest if you need some cheap protection you can always go for [[Royal Treatment]] and [[Tamiyo's Safekeeping]]
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Instant
Target creature you control gains hexproof until end of turn. Create a Royal Role token attached to that creature. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has ward .)
"Stay your blades, peasants."
hasty portal
They are among the cheaper and surprisingly very useful defensive instants.
verbal bane
@misty geyser heres the link https://www.moxfield.com/decks/60MZpl_NTk6ILzh5eJIR9A
misty geyser
At least you realized how awesome Starlight Spectacular is 😄
Oh I’ve always known that don’t worry
misty geyser
<@180801337947193345> heres the link https://www.moxfield.com/decks/60MZpl_NTk6...
The part that I hate the most is that the surveil 1 or scry 1 etc in upkeep does basically nothing because Omnath triggers in the precombat main phase
[[Widespread thieving]] is pretty cool
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Enchantment
Hideaway 5 (When this enchantment enters the battlefield, look at the top five cards of your library, exile one face down, then put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)
Whenever you cast a multicolored spell, create a Treasure token. Then you may pay . If you do, you may play the exiled card without paying its mana cost.
verbal bane
The part that I hate the most is that the surveil 1 or scry 1 etc in upkeep does...
I dunno. All I can tell you is he’s known for this aristocrat decks and makes good use of recursion
As in idk why he added that
misty geyser
Oh sure if you can play with the surveil otherwise that works
verbal bane
Yeah. Just as I’m known for my artifact decks, he’s the aristocrats guy.
verbal bane
Yeah. I have one for my Ramos deck as I can use it as a companion. No strategic value other than a dork
verbal bane
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/-muwYoD2EU-yq1EhGOzrkA
im surprised you don't run more non-creature permanents.
misty geyser
Honestly it’s mostly the result of my scryfall searching for all legendary creatures that can trigger Omnath and went from there
So finding spicy includes for noncreature stuff is always good
verbal bane
alright. I hope my friend's list helps you define your list.
misty geyser
Su uh
I need help with 33 cuts
My intention was to run every [[Hardened scales]] and every [[Renata]] effect but I need more to fill it out but also don’t want to run light on the essentials
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — Demigod
Renata's power is equal to your devotion to green. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to green.)
Each other creature you control enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
*/3
misty geyser
I’m thinking of going with creatures that make themselves bigger somehow, and doing a sort of aggro deck that way
But if there’s better options I’d be happy to hear them. There’s lots of cool planeswalkers that put counters on things too, but idk how to evaluate them
frail flare
Looking at your list the good news is I think most of the cuts are coming from the creatures
Is the wincon just doing creature damage?
I'm just noticing a lot of cards I'd expect to see if there's combo plan.
misty geyser
Basically yeah. I don’t see the combos but I’m a dimwit who likes turning stuff sideways lol
misty geyser
Looking at your list the good news is I think most of the cuts are coming from t...
Considering there’s currently like… 60 creatures in the deck I sure hope so
I think this is one of those times where I default to “cards I like stay in and cut stuff I’m mid on”
verbal bane
I always wish I could make +1 counter strategies work but they tend to be slow
What do you do to make it keep up with the rest of the table?
misty geyser
What do you do to make it keep up with the rest of the table?
Well, [[Hardened Scales]] effects are always a good way to do it
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misty geyser
But you also just gotta accept that you're definitely board reliant
verbal bane
Well, [[Hardened Scales]] effects are always a good way to do it
I have an atraxa deck with most of the staples but it always feels slow as a snail
misty geyser
So as a result you run a good amount of protection
There's a ton of good options, especially in atraxa
verbal bane
Hmm i shelved atraxa because even my slowest artifact decks are faster
misty geyser
There's the new [[Wave Goodbye]] and [[Ripples of Potential]]
misty geyser
Plus, there's nothing necessarily wrong with slow decks 🙂
Make big scary creatures, swing big scary creatures, have a good time
verbal bane
I mean, when you’re still assembling a board and everyone else is already a threat and you can’t compete, yeah, its bad. I can bring it up later. Im trying to nurse a migraine. I’ll put the atraxa list in my thread if you want a look.
misty geyser
Sure! Also, with a +1/+1 counter deck the thing to remember is you'll usually have the biggest creatures
Gotta take advantage of that
verbal bane
Yeahz
misty geyser
I do want to point out another all-star [[Seasoned Dungeoneer]], explores to put counters on creatures, will always get in for damage, and take the initiative as a fun little treat
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misty geyser
It took me and my friend hours of agonizing, but we eventually cut it down to a fun deck. The curve is a bit ridiculous but I’m hoping it’ll work out.
hasty portal
And don't sleep on passive sources of +1/+1 counters like [[Luminarch Aspirant]] or [[Leinore, Autumn Sovereign]]
still needle
I do want to point out another all-star [[Seasoned Dungeoneer]], explores to put...
This card is just. So good.
misty geyser
And don't sleep on passive sources of +1/+1 counters like [[Luminarch Aspirant]]...
Already in the deck 😉
misty geyser
(Literally just a deck of jund creatures I like)
Might replace my Gilanra/vial smasher with this
verbal bane
Do you have it IRL built? If so, hows it working for you
misty geyser
Do you have it IRL built? If so, hows it working for you
I’m working on it, porting it over from another jund deck, but it’ll be a while before it’s complete
craggy owl
@misty geyser how is Jin going?
What range of cmc are you looking at for ramp at the moment?
[[Sarevok’s Tome]] for an omnibus of benefits while cantripping off Jin
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Artifact
When Sarevok's Tome enters the battlefield, you take the initiative.
: Add 
. If you have the initiative, add instead.
, : Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Activate only if you've completed a dungeon.
craggy owl
[[Court of Vantress]] grants extra draw off monarch and either makes more rocks or becomes the best one
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craggy owl
[[Machine God’s Effigy]] to obtain the perks of the best creature and still get more mana.
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Artifact
You may have Machine God's Effigy enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield, except it's an artifact and it has ": Add ." (It's not a creature.)
: Add .
Gix ensured his most loyal followers were the first to taste Phyrexian perfection.
craggy owl
If you’re not set on manalith tribal with 3mv, then these should be feasible.
misty geyser
Sorry I’ve been watching a movie 😅😅😅
I could definitely consider the 4mv level I’m just starting by adding all the relevant mana rocks.
Side note: I really like this movie “Project Almanac”. Super cool movie about some kids that invent time travel.
misty geyser
@craggy owl here you are.
It’s just a pile of cards rn but figured you can peek in on what I’ve got
misty geyser
verbal bane
We have some similar changes and or ideas for changes. This is mine. I swapped very little of it since its very low in my priorities list.
frail flare
It's interesting to see the differences based on what I know about the base deck
misty geyser
I took out a lot of the big, potentially useful merfolk like [[tributary instructor]] in favor of cheaper and more evasive merfolk
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verbal bane
I was thinking on making it mono blye with [[Slinn-Voda, Lord of the Abyss]] at the helm
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misty geyser
Main philosophy of mine was “idc what the merfolk does I want more of them”
verbal bane
[[Slin-Voda Lord]]
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misty geyser
[[Slinn-Voda]]
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Legendary Creature — Leviathan
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
When Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, return all creatures to their owners' hands except for Merfolk, Krakens, Leviathans, Octopuses, and Serpents.
8/8
frail flare
I have a mono-u merfolk deck. Husband is looking at updating Hakbal as a 10 card adjustment
verbal bane
[[Slinn-Voda]]
Thank you. IDK why it was not cooperating.
verbal bane
this is the noda deck I have planned but no interest in working on atm
misty geyser
Mihail is pretty cool too
verbal bane
our LGS judge runs him and is fire
misty geyser
My problem with mihail is that he doesn’t really help make the merfolk bigger to start getting through
misty geyser
Like I know you’ve got quite a few lords but for combat they’re basically vanilla creatures
verbal bane
indeed
frail flare
with [[vodalian hexcatcher]] or [[lullmage mentor]]
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Creature — Merfolk Wizard
Flash
Other Merfolk you control get +1/+1.
Sacrifice a Merfolk: Counter target noncreature spell unless its controller pays .
"You're just one more pollutant to be removed from the sea."
1/1
misty geyser
[[Deeproot mentor]] can’t be your only win con lol
misty geyser
Right, lullmage
verbal bane
a "cheaper" [[Lose Focus]]
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Instant
Replicate (When you cast this spell, copy it for each time you paid its replicate cost. You may choose new targets for the copies.)
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
The spell wavered, caught on the tip of his tongue and at the edge of his awareness.
frail flare
[[wanderwine prophets]] is
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misty geyser
Time to reinvigorate this thread!
All right, so the grixis marchesa.
I kinda want to make it nasty, hard control. Spicy tech appreciated, repeatable removal preferred.
So one big thing is finding out how we win with this deck.
Definitely want big stuff that’s gonna get me way ahead in cards, so I’m thinking all my finishers are gonna be big-ass creatures to deploy right after a board wipe.
Mix in some crime-committing engines and we’re pretty well off.
misty geyser
Here’s a rough, rough first draft. Shoved a lot of removal and called it a day.
@mossy brook let me know what you think. It needs work but I just shoved a bunch of removal in and called it a day. I’m not too versed in control in commander so I really need help there
Figured board wipes were great card advantage, so I put a lot in
I was thinking of making the creatures either super synergistic, good card advantage or a big fat guy that can do some damage. I really like [[drakuseth]] because he commits multiple crimes in a single trigger, and kills most relevant creatures
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mossy brook
<@254711002904526848> let me know what you think. It needs work but I just shove...
Lemme take a look later!
mossy brook
I was thinking of making the creatures either super synergistic, good card advan...
Drakuseth only does one crime unfortunately
There is no way to get multiple crimes from the same spell/ability 😦
mossy brook
I kinda want to make it nasty, hard control. Spicy tech appreciated, repeatable ...
I'll see what I can do!
Anything spicy I've found so far was someone in my decklist -- in the mainboard, sideboard, or the consideringboard
so it's probably faster to check there, but I'll happily look later and give you the highlights!
misty geyser
I definitely need to pull your list up too
misty geyser
Thanks! I added that black eventide dude, that’s such an insane value
misty geyser
Least I can do with all the help you've given my decks 😂
AY YO [[the abyss]] is FOUL
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mossy brook
AY YO [[the abyss]] is FOUL
isn't it??
I'm actually more inclined to [[Magus of the Abyss]] than The Abyss itself
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misty geyser
I can’t run it in my current list though ;-;
mossy brook
if we lose Marchesa herself it begins a downward spiral
misty geyser
Very few creatures
mossy brook
and so Magus can always "sacrifice" himself if needed, taking the bullet for his queen
misty geyser
True
That’s a pretty good idea… hm
I’m starting to think that planeswalkers would be a really good consideration here
[[ashiok, nightmare weaver]] could be good??
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misty geyser
Hell yeah
mossy brook
I’m starting to think that planeswalkers would be a really good consideration he...
[[chandra, dressed to kill]] and [[lili the last hope]] are the ones everyone is currently hyped about
grand hingeBOT
Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
+1: Add . Chandra, Dressed to Kill deals 1 damage to up to one target player or planeswalker.
+1: Exile the top card of your library. If it's red, you may cast it this turn.
−7: Exile the top five cards of your library. You may cast red spells from among them this turn. You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast a red spell, this emblem deals X damage to any target, where X is the amount of mana spent to cast that spell."
Loyalty: 3
mossy brook
but I'm not really... sold on them?
misty geyser
I was pretty up on Chandra
She pays for her own crimes
But Lily is a hard sell yeah
mossy brook
given how easy it is to get 0-mana crime triggers, though, I feel like they're gonna be sorta... mid
misty geyser
-2/-1 isn’t very effective
mossy brook
I'm not certain if I would play a 3-mana walker who says "+1, look at top 2, get one to hand and one to gy"
I mean obviously it's above rate
but since they do nothing without Marchesa herself... they're inconsistent
depends how effectively you control the board
misty geyser
given how easy it is to get 0-mana crime triggers, though, I feel like they're g...
Well, with Chandra it’s about options. She’s a rebate on your mana for your crime trigger, or she draws you cards, or without considering marchesa she’s ramp and a pinger
mossy brook
the walkers I've been most hype about are [[Karn the Great Creator]] and [[Ashiok | WAR]]
mossy brook
sigh
misty geyser
lol
mossy brook
[[Ashiok, Dream Render]]
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mossy brook
that one
mossy brook
the powerful static abilities WITH the crime is MUCH more my flavor
misty geyser
I might have to find a slot for that ashiok though
misty geyser
@hushed tapir I’m gonna be brewing Obeka here, if you wanna hop in on it
Here’s what I picked up from my LGS
still needle
SEIZAN GAMING
misty geyser
Holy hell [[as foretold]] finally has a home huh
grand hingeBOT
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a time counter on As Foretold.
Once each turn, you may pay 
rather than pay the mana cost for a spell you cast with mana value X or less, where X is the number of time counters on As Foretold.
misty geyser
WHOOOOO BOY [[Descent into Avernus]] is HOT
grand hingeBOT
queen siren
It is hot as hell
hasty portal
[[Extravagant Replication]] could also be really good.
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misty geyser
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ha531oh1lE2UYIRe8I_TYA
This is basically just a pile of upkeep trigger cards
But I can definitely find improvements
misty geyser
[[Extravagant Replication]] could also be really good.
100% it's in
I need help paring this down for sure, I want to have enough unblockable/evasive things to ensure that she gets through
Like [[Thassa god of the sea]] works really well
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to blue is less than five, Thassa isn't a creature. (Each in the mana costs of permanents you control counts toward your devotion to blue.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, scry 1.
: Target creature you control can't be blocked this turn.
5/5
misty geyser
Every part of her wants to be used by Obeka
hasty portal
You could also use something like [[K-9, Mark 1]] or good ol' [[Aqueous Form]]
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot Dog
Negative — As long as K-9, Mark I is untapped, other legendary creatures you control have ward .
Affirmative — , : Target legendary creature can't be blocked this turn.
Doctor's companion (You can have two commanders if the other is the Doctor.)
1/1
misty geyser
Ooh, both are great
Cut ideas? I just can't decide lol. Cheap evasive stuff is really good though.
You think [[Triskaidekaphobia]] is just kinda too cute here?
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hasty portal
Oh yeah, smite it.
It's way too situational in a 4-player game.
Especially if your commander can't manipulate life totals.
misty geyser
True
I was thinking manipulate via multiple upkeeps
but I can't get those extra upkeeps if I ain't got an evasive Obeka lol
I've got the deck tagged and... I've got 24 draw spells
I think I might have too many lol
hasty portal
Stormfist Crusader might also be a bit risky since you might end up giving your opponents a LOT of draw.
misty geyser
True
hasty portal
So I'd definitely cut it then.
misty geyser
I want to add [[vorrac battlehorns]] for another unblockable thing
grand hingeBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has trample and can't be blocked by more than one creature.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery. This card enters the battlefield unattached and stays on the battlefield if the creature leaves.)
misty geyser
As a note it is 12:54am where I am rn so my brain don't work too well, so if something in here is stupid and should be cut I'd appreciate you letting me know lol
hasty portal
Mmhmm! Combat tricks might not be a bad idea either for Obeka, or alternatively aggressive equipment to buff her up.
misty geyser
I was thinking [[commander's plate]] too?
grand hingeBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+3 and has protection from each color that's not in your commander's color identity.
Equip commander
Equip
Not all beautiful things are fragile.
hasty portal
[[Silver Shroud Costume]] would be great for protection and unblockable.
grand hingeBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Flash
When Silver Shroud Costume enters the battlefield, attach it to target creature you control. That creature gains shroud until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equipped creature can't be blocked.
Equip
hasty portal
And you can attach it to her easily.
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hasty portal
Seems good though being all three black pips makes it slightly awkward on curve.
But it can be a good pick up late game.
misty geyser
The land base will be perfect, I usually proxy the landbase because I cba to worry about that for an already casual deck lol
hasty portal
Yeah.
misty geyser
What about [[Laughing Jasper Flint]]? He's a super cool card
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hasty portal
OH. Since you have so much draw [[Nerd Rage]] could be really good with her.
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hasty portal
And it gives you no maximum hand size.
misty geyser
OH. Since you have so much draw [[Nerd Rage]] could be really good with her.
good stuff!
hasty portal
And yeah, Jasper seems like a natural fit for her.
Cause you could end up exiling a significant amount of cards from your foes decks if Obeka gets through.
Even through just repeated upkeeps.
misty geyser
true. I think I'll take out [[court of cunning]] then, since the mill doesn't really do much for us
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misty geyser
Are the Hondens too cute of an include? My thinking is that they're all pretty deece on their own with Obeka, but they just get exponentially better the more you have
hasty portal
It's alright for a 3-card combo.
But part of me thinks that ensuring you get value off of Obeka's ability should be the fundamental approach. As opposed to getting values off of shrines.
misty geyser
[[Cryptic Coat]]
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Artifact — Equipment
When Cryptic Coat enters the battlefield, cloak the top card of your library, then attach Cryptic Coat to it. (To cloak a card, put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and can't be blocked.
: Return Cryptic Coat to its owner's hand.
misty geyser
^This card slaps
Allows us to grab more bodies in a pinch, always have a way in, buff obeka AND get her in for damage
hasty portal
Ooh yes, it's excellent for that purpose.
OH WAIT!
You should also add [[River Song's Diary]]
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misty geyser
I noticed that but in practice from what I've seen is that it casts like.. one spell before it stop being functional
And those spells don't go back under the diary so I quickly run out of them
hasty portal
Yeah but it can also exile opponents cards that they might want to try to cast again from their graveyard.
misty geyser
Truwe
hasty portal
And often can bait removal from your opponents.
misty geyser
Thoughts on using [[harmonic prodigy]]? She is a wizard
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misty geyser
[[obeka brute]]
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Legendary Creature — Ogre Wizard
: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.)
"I'm bored with now."
3/4
misty geyser
I know, I kept fat fingering the keys lol
hasty portal
Ooh, that is honestly savage changing her type like that.
misty geyser
That's so annoying.
hasty portal
But hey, you can use [[Rings of Brighthearth]] instead.
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Artifact
Whenever you activate an ability, if it isn't a mana ability, you may pay . If you do, copy that ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Without flame, there would be no iron tools, no cooked meals, no purge of old growth to make room for new." —Brighthearth creed
hasty portal
Or [[Roaming Throne]] TROLOLOLOL
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Artifact Creature — Golem
Ward
As Roaming Throne enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Roaming Throne is the chosen type in addition to its other types.
If a triggered ability of another creature you control of the chosen type triggers, it triggers an additional time.
4/4