just gonna start a master thread like @sick swallow has 😛
Anyway, took a first pass at [[gimbal, gremlin prodigy]]
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Ca-3CVPyPEe2OfTuLI4ahg
#Carson Deck-Brewing thread
silk breach
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silk breach
there's a spot for Phyrexian Sharknado but it's not on moxfield yet
particularly interested in spicier veggie cards (ramp, removal, card draw)
I also didn't want to include too much +1 counter chicanery, since both Optimus Prime and my [[bright palm]] draft will both have a lot more +1 counter shenanigans
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celest isle
[[Oviya Pashiri]]?
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
, 
: Create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
, : Create an X/X colorless Construct artifact creature token, where X is the number of creatures you control.
"Inspiration is reciprocal: we all have a responsibility to each other to create."
1/2
silk breach
She could be good in the list 🤔
sick swallow
<@254711002904526848> you asked to see this, first pass at Naya Arcbound stuff
Looks solid so far! Why Blightsteel?
silk breach
Indestructible artifact creatures
If there’s a board wipe all the counters just go away
sick swallow
Indestructible artifact creatures
I'd answer board wipes with something like Flawless Maneuver, Heroic Intervention, Eldrazi Monument, etc -- how often will you manage to get 11 mana before the board wipe occurs?
silk breach
It can happen! But that’s a good note. I DO want my arcbound stuff to die at some point
Probably add a couple more sac outlets too 🤔
sick swallow
I adore Eldrazi Monument, as a combination sac outlet and board protection
old dove
What are your thoughts on [[Replicating Ring]] here?
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Snow Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a night counter on Replicating Ring. Then if it has eight or more night counters on it, remove all of them and create eight colorless snow artifact tokens named Replicated Ring with ": Add one mana of any color."
celest isle
What are your thoughts on [[Replicating Ring]] here?
I do like ring personally, although I wonder how often it’ll pop without proliferate support
silk breach
I agree with Punderdome. I'm all about "off the beaten path" veggie cards, but I'm not sure how often the replicating part will be relevant without some heavy proliferate support
would love to be able to play [[inexorable tide here]], but arcbound stuff already didn't pass muster in Optimus Prime 😂
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sick swallow
Could run [[Cathars' Crusade]] if you're okay with a tracking nightmare
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old dove
In temur?
old dove
? (and yes somehow I'm 42 and never have seen Caddyshack, even if I recognize it that's my only context)
silk breach
Well
The arcbound deck is naya 😂
And the deck is already a tracking nightmare lmao
old dove
I mean, that would do it. I appreciate my migraine being gone.
old dove
Oh, how is the 5c omnath going?
silk breach
Haven’t really started yet. I wanna build it with a friend and she’s mostly been preoccupied this week
old dove
Thank you!
golden gullBOT
Artifact
, or 
, : Return target artifact creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
Metal permeates the marrow of every bone in Mephidross—except one.
old dove
How much do you love Sorin here?
old dove
You lose the damage on the + but you get the Dihada keywords.
silk breach
I like Sorin for the +1, having a bit of density of that effect is really good. Happy to compare with other potential cuts but he does also cost 6 😂
old dove
Yeah, it's a trade off
silk breach
okay I'm looking at Phyrexian Fleshgorger and Wire Surgeons for cuts
silk breach
Looking at adding [[!legion loyalty]] to urza https://www.moxfield.com/decks/a_6-7niqe0OygM3nX9qRcw
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sick swallow
Looking at adding [[!legion loyalty]] to urza https://www.moxfield.com/decks/a_6...
oof, yeah, that seems BRUTAL with Karnstructs
silk breach
Right??? Triple karnstructs each combat, plus any other incidental artifact creatures
sick swallow
Right??? Triple karnstructs each combat, plus any other incidental artifact crea...
I didn't realize that Legion Loyalty also duplicated tokens
silk breach
SURE DOES
silk breach
Cutting cloud key for loyalty. Someone pointed out how many cost reducers I have 🤣
old dove
What did you swap out for it in the end?
silk breach
Cloud key
sick swallow
Cutting cloud key for loyalty. Someone pointed out how many cost reducers I have...
Yeah, that seems like a good swap for sure.
old dove
I swear the one clarifying line wasn't there when I posted before though it clearly was. 😩
silk breach
No worries 🤣🤣
silk breach
@sick swallow thoughts on [[slobad goblin tinker]] for this?
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sick swallow
Lemme take a look in a few
silk breach
take your time. Not gonna build it in paper until after Minnie 😂
sick swallow
I think that OG Slobad is a fantastic idea here, yeah.
Instant-speed artifact sac outlet, and lets you do the most critical thing: protect at least one artifact to receive the counters during a board wipe instead of losing them all
sick swallow
I mean, I'd run him after KCI
silk breach
I also made some pretty intense structural changes to the deck. Took out some of the less impactful fiddly counters-matter cards for some more graveyard chicanery
sick swallow
But he'd probably be my second choice for sac outlet
silk breach
yeah the deck probably wants something like KCI
Descent into avernus and/or smothering tithe too (I have extras of both lying around 🤣 )
sick swallow
KCI is just absolutely absurd with Treasure tokens, too
"I'll make 4 treasures and turn them into Ugin" lol
Or Arcbound Overseer, in your case
silk breach
yeahhhhhh I just ordered one for my [[gimbal]] deck
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silk breach
I have high expectations there
silk breach
on the one hand, I'm really excited about the potential combo nature of this deck. Feels a lot like blanka but with a massive re-skin
But it's also really clunky and awkward, and early playtests indicate I have to mulligan really hard
silk breach
@vagrant current zabaz would probably be a cleaner deck but Shalai and hallar is a good payoff in the command zone
vagrant current
Makes sense. And there's a lot of green +1/+1 counter support
silk breach
True facts
vagrant current
All them hardened scales
cobalt ember
[[the Ozolith]] - was it out of sight on the first pass?
Also, I have a friend in an IRL playgroup that plays doomweaver (Thantis as commander tho) which also plays [[thundering mightmare]] so maybe that would work here too
silk breach
did not think of either of those on the first pass!
was mostly focused on initial setup of the bloodthirst counters
cobalt ember
That makes sense
silk breach
Early draft of Baylen, specifically caring about noncreature tokens (and trying to not make it a treasure deck)
old dove
I have a suggestion that's a (hopefully) fun non-treasure specific suggestion for an inclusion. [[sarinth steelseeker]]
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old dove
I'm interested in seeing where your list goes though!
silk breach
I have a suggestion that's a (hopefully) fun non-treasure specific suggestion fo...
Very into that! 👀
cobalt ember
[[junktown]] and [[Roxanne, Starfall Savant]] possibly
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Land
: Add 
.
, , Sacrifice Junktown: Create three Junk tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.")
It's not much, but it's home.
Legendary Creature — Cat Druid
Whenever Roxanne, Starfall Savant enters the battlefield or attacks, create a tapped colorless artifact token named Meteorite with "When Meteorite enters the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to any target" and ": Add one mana of any color."
Whenever you tap an artifact token for mana, add one mana of any type that artifact token produced.
4/3
silk breach
I'm interested in seeing where your list goes though!
First draft is up to 100 cards!
Only creature tokens (I think) are from farmer cotton but he’s so good he gets a pass
old dove
I like it but I'm wondering if [[Rose|PIP]] may make more sense in this and also trying to find a suggested cut.
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
First strike
Raid — At end of combat on your turn, if you attacked this turn, create a Junk token for each opponent you attacked. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.")
Whenever you sacrifice a Junk, add .
3/2
old dove
Ah, the gamechanger reference that this commander will not escape
old dove
It's just too accurate 😆
I wish I could suggest [[primal growth]] but I also can't figure out a suggested cut so I'll just mention it
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silk breach
Fuck youre right
old dove
I was shocked the deck didn't have it in it
silk breach
I've been struggling to brew at all for a while, getting a list from scratch up to 100 cards is a feat by itself 🫠
old dove
I know that feeling honestly
old dove
I don't know if Yuma works here outside of the enters/attacks trigger?
silk breach
I don't know if Yuma works here outside of the enters/attacks trigger?
That's what he's for
old dove
Ok! I built my yuma deck around him casting for wrg so I think my brain is stuck on wanting to cut the cost
toxic grove
First-Toph all
You’ve gotta s-toph with these puns!
silk breach
Ok! I built my yuma deck around him casting for wrg so I think my brain is stuck...
If the deck is humming i dont expect paying 5rwg to be a problem 😂
silk breach
You’ve gotta s-toph with these puns!
Someone else came up with the deck name!
toxic grove
It was toph-reaking clever
cobalt ember
[[Gurmag Angler]] would be cool but the list doesn't seem to have a lot to delve away for it
golden gullBOT
Creature — Zombie Fish
Delve (Each card you exile from your graveyard while casting this spell pays for 
.)
If everything in the Gurmag Swamp hungers for human flesh, what bait could be more effective?
5/5
silk breach
Delve would be sick here actually
Stuff dies incidentally all the time in magic. Shouldn't have to force it too much
cobalt ember
B and 6 cards from the bin to draw 7 and put a 7 or less MV thing from hand
silk breach
I also have an Emrakul the Promised End that would probably fuck pretty hard here
Totally forgot about her lmao
old dove
This list came together really fast
old dove
And I'm including perfect art choices in that
silk breach
gotta start somewhere! Still only calling it a draft 😂
silk breach
And I'm including perfect art choices in that
I'll be cold in the ground before I include a planeswalker stamped card 😤
silk breach
I mean, some of the default art choices in moxfield have it and I have to change it 😂
it's a compulsion
old dove
Ahh
old dove
I meant to ask you, have you had a chance to try your Aloy list on your Moxfield?
silk breach
I meant to ask you, have you had a chance to try your Aloy list on your Moxfield...
I haven't yet, hoping to try it tonight
old dove
My husband and I made a list quickly yesterday. He played it last night and is sort of working on tuning it. So I'm curious how yours goes when you do
I liked [[wash out]] as an inclusion in yours
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old dove
And I don't know why we didn't include [[garruk's uprising]]
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silk breach
My husband and I made a list quickly yesterday. He played it last night and is s...
Does he have a list on moxfield so we can compare notes?
silk breach
So is mine, please believe
old dove
He said he's (in retrospect) surprised at how we managed to make something comparatively fair between the two of us where we also had a lot of flavor choices in it
[[the aetherspark]] is supposed to be the focus for example
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old dove
the transmuter is partially because we couldn't find an Oviya [[oviya|dft]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Each creature that's attacking one of your opponents has trample.
, : You may put a creature or Vehicle card from your hand onto the battlefield. If you put an artifact onto the battlefield this way, put two +1/+1 counters on it.
1/2
old dove
But it rebuys etbs
silk breach
Damn I'm a dummy, I just realized [[toph metalbender]] is busted in my [[shalai & hallar]][[arcbound worker]] deck
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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior Ally
Nontoken artifacts you control are lands in addition to their other types. (They don't gain the ability to for mana.)
At the beginning of your end step, earthbend 2. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put two +1/+1 counters on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
3/3
old dove
Yeah, that really will be!
I know you just got your Jaws stuff so I'm also going to be curious to know how your deck plays. I was surprised at how much your list and my first draft differ (31 of the 46 overlap are mountains)
silk breach
https://moxfield.com/decks/vpG4K1nND0u9U2Y2uEyArw/compare/wvGdujXqD0CSPCQ2IK-aCw
there's a few cards in your list that I do love. And a couple that might actually have in my list that just aren't on moxfield yet 🤣
spectacular showdown is one of my favorite cards, but Jaws feels like it wants to be a bit more streamlined
(I use showdown as a weird insurrection variant rather than "target creature gains double strike exactly")
old dove
Yeah, I could tell with my list that a lot of time I was going to be casting it for 2 mana instead of the overloaded cost
And I did last night. I goaded a 17/17 mana gorger hydra
I meant to have a depthshaker and I just couldn't find mine
old dove
Tezzeret in Jaws is absurd
I played it, hit with Bruce to make 5 blood and just ultimated him
silk breach
oooo I believe it
honestly that Tezz just hasn't clicked with me at all 😂
I like your trailblazer's boots tho 👀
old dove
I'm only running 21 creatures, so ways to just passively build up a board felt huge
Those won me at least one game last night
That was my husband's suggestion
[[combustion man]] was very funny
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silk breach
making him unblockable is v good
old dove
You also don't have to target something controlled by the person you're attacking
So you can just start hitting two people with him
silk breach
ooooo that's sweet
I need to marinate with the avatar set
the mechanics are sweet but I have no idea what any of the cards do 😂
old dove
Combustion Man just seemed pretty clear what he did. 😅
Also I've internally created the classification of a "Bruce" which is an aggressive red legendary, often 3RR
silk breach
nice, I love "bruce" batching 😂
old dove
old dove
I feel like we got the same secret lairs
silk breach
Horizon, God of war (jeskai); jaws; and I got the charity play dough one
old dove
Yeah, we got those. Also got the ghost one though
I'm still so disappointed they didn't give tokens with the Play-doh
silk breach
The Bant Aang for the Earthbending deck?
That's currently the plan
I'm at like 5% of a list so far 😂
old dove
It's one I think I could snap a list together pretty quickly but I also think it has a lot of ways you can build it
silk breach
I've seen a handful of folks do a clone package, and I get it, but it feels like a hat on a hat
I wanna do the manlands bit
old dove
The clone package is just a gyruda list
Amy the Amazonian's brawl list is basically that
old dove
This is my brainstorm without enough interaction: https://moxfield.com/decks/UWvfj0Dr-0-uiclzxXbQxA
silk breach
This is my brainstorm without enough interaction: https://moxfield.com/decks/UWv...
I'm taking some notes on this
But also 53 lands is wild; even if some are meant to be "creatures" 😂
old dove
Yep, I know. It should have lumra or mass land reanimation in it and I got distracted
silk breach
I appreciate the jump start 🙂
old dove
[[Dyadrine]] is the one I'm kind of proud of here
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silk breach
[[Dyadrine]] is the one I'm kind of proud of here
Big fan of that and cloud
I definitely want one or both kyoshis in the deck 😂
old dove
That's what my husband said
I also just put in all relevant lands to cut them out
Figured it was better to cut those than other stuff first
old dove
I figured it out 😅
But yeah, they become 0/0s when they get bent so [[terrasymbiosis]] should mean you draw 2 on first combat
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silk breach
@old dove got to a serviceable draft I think
@pallid smelt I made a lands deck with zero "searching" 😂
no idea how "good" it is but I thought you'd be interested
toxic grove
I know @full swan also made one of those!
pallid smelt
from my experience with Aang at prerelease he is definitly a strong choice for commander for that idea
Aang is really fcking strong
this does look like an interesting deck
full swan
I know <@629123652381704222> also made one of those!
Every deck I’ve made over the last few months 😎
old dove
Galadriel is still the "best" of the no-tutor lands commanders I've seen
Lumra is one I'm fairly sure would be, but haven't seen it structured that way
silk breach
this does look like an interesting deck
Thank you for saying that!
It probably could have been toph, but I'm tickled about playing collonnade and other proper manlands
XP counter toph lol
pallid smelt
Toph is probably stronger but would play so different thent his
artifact slob kinda takes over
also ik its probably because of AI bros, but i find it funny that slo-p is blocked here
pallid smelt
XP counter toph lol
XP counter toph is funny but it being monogreen is very limiting
silk breach
also ik its probably because of AI bros, but i find it funny that slo-p is block...
It was more bc of the "commander players are pigs who eat slop" post lol
pallid smelt
ah makes sense
we had to do the same with the "Creeper Aw Man" meme a few years ago
silk breach
artifact slob kinda takes over
I put together that list when she was first previewed, but I think I'm happy to have her be a role player in my shalai & halar arcbound worker deck
I dont need "strong" decks I need to hit someone in the face with cave of the frost dragon 🤣
pallid smelt
I feel this way about most "busted commanders"
they are so much more fun in the 99 of a deck
simply cause its not happening every game and your opponents actually feel like they can do something against it
silk breach
Interesting story tension in the game >>>>>>>>
pallid smelt
Yeah I use those like how some people do "bomb typal" in battlecruiser
like this "now I am the captain" moment
old dove
It was more bc of the "commander players are pigs who eat slop" post lol
I supported the block because people were just using it as inflammtory shorthand
pallid smelt
The more I play the more I also subscribe to the ideology of intentional weakpoints in lists
Like my Frodo/Sam deck has no reanimation spells in it cause i feel like if you managed to stop the onslaught of small dudes trying to run you over that should feel like a a real achievement and not something that gets ripped away under your feet next turn
old dove
Which Toph are you talking about though?
pallid smelt
I supported the block because people were just using it as inflammtory shorthand
Blocks like that are necessary every so often, just always funny and wierd to stumble over them at a later date
pallid smelt
Which Toph are you talking about though?
3 mana toph
the one that makes artifacts into lands
old dove
Artifact one suggests Naya but the two gruul ones
I've played against the scene box one and it is punishing. The set Gruul Toph ratchets up very quickly as you optimize the spells
pallid smelt
The mainset Gruul Toph feels very hard to deal with
old dove
pallid smelt
the sceene commanders sind alle cool aber relative fine
old dove
Scene Toph is sort of like Jetmir based on playing against her
Double strike often just ends the game and removing her just means she brings something bigger next time.
pallid smelt
Jetmir is one of those commanders i have learned to love in the 99
I put it in the Rin&Seri deck for my friend and it is by far the most used and best wincon he has in that deck but it doesnt feel frustrating to play again
st
old dove
But [[toph, hardheaded teacher]] is possibly the one that freaks me out the most because it optimizes in a different way than my brain works
golden gullBOT
pallid smelt
the sceene commanders sind alle cool aber relative fine
also i realised i went full Denglish there just mixing german and english in that sentence
old dove
Yeah, I worked it out. Thanks family members who spoke German randomly (who all came to the US in the 1800s)
pallid smelt
But [[toph, hardheaded teacher]] is possibly the one that freaks me out the most...
She is so scary
old dove
Sorry @silk breach we can move if you want
pallid smelt
I do wonder how viable an Amulet Earthbend build would be
Like Amulet and Spelunking
silk breach
I do wonder how viable an Amulet Earthbend build would be
Less earthbending and more generic "lots of taplands" but i definitely got self conscious about this in my manlands deck 🤣
pallid smelt
I do think Amulet decks can be interesting
but you do really have to pay attention that you just dont turn into aristocrats with extra steps
old dove
I think that's at least difficult outside of B even with the general conceit of earthbending
You'd almost need to start focusing on the airbending/earthbending hybrid
The one with like [[monk gyatso]] airbending animated lands
golden gullBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Whenever another creature you control becomes the target of a spell or ability, you may airbend that creature. (Exile it. While it's exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
"My ancient cake-making technique isn't the only thing on your mind, is it, Aang?"
3/3
pallid smelt
Monk Gyatso is stronger then people think imo
old dove
He's like displacer kitten
pallid smelt
I think that's at least difficult outside of B even with the general conceit of ...
I dont think so, like if you take Hardened Teacher + Zulan Orb you are already nearly there
old dove
[[hardened teacher]]
golden gullBOT
pallid smelt
the gruul toph
old dove
Right
silk breach
Guy at my lgs said he wanted to make an airbending / drannith magistrate deck and my first thought was "oh you were homeschooled / an only child" 😂
pallid smelt
Nah
that kind of evil machenations is only born out of trying to stick it to your siblings
silk breach
Regardless. Something something 12 foot pole
silk breach
old dove
Nelly is the only card in here I don't like
pallid smelt
Love the Lightnin inclusion
silk breach
Nelly is the only card in here I don't like
got a rec to replace Nelly?
old dove
[[Oviya|dft]]?
golden gullBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Each creature that's attacking one of your opponents has trample.
, : You may put a creature or Vehicle card from your hand onto the battlefield. If you put an artifact onto the battlefield this way, put two +1/+1 counters on it.
1/2
golden gullBOT
Legendary Creature — Mole God
Whenever Anzrag becomes blocked, untap each creature you control. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase.
: Anzrag must be blocked each combat this turn if able.
His claws tear at the foundations of civilization.
8/4
pallid smelt
There are 2 ferropede in there
silk breach
Rip. Thanks for catching 😂
tardy ice
Didnt know this existed
silk breach
Gathered dust for a while lol
tardy ice
Lol
old dove
Ah, Ziatora, the "surely this jund sacrifice dragon won't be a problem"
Thoughts on the new trudge here?
[[Slumbering trudge]]
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old dove
It's just a high power creature that can also be grabbed by some of the reanimation effects
But the stun counters may be too big of a problem
silk breach
https://scryfall.com/card/sos/160/slumbering-trudge
Huge fan. Exactly what I'm looking for
old dove
Great! I know sometimes it coming in tapped is a problem but didn't know if it was in this case for you.