proven geyser
So, today I realized my Breya is close to cEDH after someone pointed it to me. I did what I could to push it even closer by cutting some stuff, but I want to drive it even closer (not in lands, but actual card pieces like creatures and artifacts) so help would be appreciated on what to cut/add etc.
wide ether
What did the person point out to you?
I see some fast mana, tutors and combos but not what I'd consider excessive?
For comparison this was my Breya list (I had some ADHD stuff that made me work on other artifact decks and pieces went to them to the point I didn't consider her a real deck anymore) https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YdMfpszCg0yc4uTduCpUZA
Have you looked at the database list for ideas?
It's definitely focused around thoracle/breach lines rather than artifacts which probably isn't what you want.
It looks like you're leaning towards stax with the whurza combo?
wide ether
note: I'm assuming I'm missing a ton because I'm tired and am being overly formal in what I'm saying to try and keep from writing things that are ungrammatical
proven geyser
Sorry I just logged in to see this
I needed toa dd more card draw and tutors and also need to add interaction
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wide ether
I'm not sure if it's competitive, but it means you can sac a thopter or something like that to get a planeswalker
proven geyser
Yeah. Is a card i did order last night.
I was considering BioTransference but the fact that I can Tutor Encroaching easier makes it more desirable.
proven geyser
This is one of those decks that I want to get as close as possible without jumping the fence
wide ether
[[Transplant Theorist]] is a card I'm working with.
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Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Artificer
Whenever Transplant Theorist or another artifact enters the battlefield under your control, you may draw a card. If you do, discard a card.
: Put target card from your graveyard on the bottom of your library.
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wide ether
This is one of those decks that I want to get as close as possible without jumpi...
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proven geyser
[[Transplant Theorist]] is a card I'm working with.
This is on my list but I forgot to add it to the cart last night
wide ether
Guessing Urza's Saga is on what you ordered?
proven geyser
No. I ordered some Bondlands and Crimson vow checklands
wide ether
Highly recommend [[The Mycosynth Gardens]]
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Land — Sphere
: Add 
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, : Add one mana of any color.
, : The Mycosynth Gardens becomes a copy of target nontoken artifact you control with mana value X.
As the Invasion Tree grew, its branches pierced through the world's silent core.
proven geyser
I pulled one but I need to get it foil later down the road. The Power Depot is not as good as I would’ve liked it to be
wide ether
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The nice thing about the gardens is it comes into play untapped and since it's not restricted to sorcery speed you can activate it at EoT of an opponent
proven geyser
I may just swap Power depot for it
wide ether
Also it doesn't revert back
It's probably worth trying
Though not for copying mana vault >_<
proven geyser
Now my question is, does it remain being a land though?
wide ether
No
proven geyser
Also make it a Darksteel Forge or a Mycosynth Lattice XD
wide ether
It doesn't say "still a land" anyway
Thinking about that some more, it staying a land would be absurdly hard to balance.
Or feels like it would be
Because of the cards that specify removal on nonland permanents
proven geyser
But yeah, only offset is it becomes a copy, so artifact removal would target it still
proven geyser
Anyway. Aside from that, idk what else to add
proven geyser
Guessing you want to stay away from Thoracle?
Yeah. Not a fan of Thoracle tbh. Playing against it or playing it. Seems like a cheap combo. I like my jank but I also like high powered. Hence why I want to inch as close to cEDH in this deck as I can
[[$Lotus Petal]]
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proven geyser
Mana to money Value ratio crypt is better than petal.
wide ether
I keep forgetting how expensive petal is now
proven geyser
Yeah. I can get the non-foil. But would kill my end goal. Running Shimmer Dragon is a thing. Mainly because it lets me combo with [[Unctus Meta]]
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Other blue creatures you control have "Whenever this creature becomes tapped, draw a card, then discard a card."
Other artifact creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a blue artifact in addition to its other colors and types. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either 
or 2 life.)
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wide ether
[[Grand Architect]] could be worth including too
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Creature — Vedalken Artificer
Other blue creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Target artifact creature becomes blue until end of turn.
Tap an untapped blue creature you control: Add . Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or activate abilities of artifacts.
1/3
proven geyser
Yeah. I thought about it but if I do, I would do it with Pili Pala. Also considered the card [[Tormented Seer]]?
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proven geyser
No. The izzet one that whenever uou would draw a card, instead exile the top two cards and you can play them this turn
[[Eruth, Tormented Prophet]]
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proven geyser
Unctus would give me card draw and Pili-Pala / Grand Architect Combo would give me mana and Eruth would allow me to cast it all
wide ether
Yeah
[[Farmstead Gleaner]] + grand architect +[[Jetfire]] is infinite colorless mana but that's less efficient
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Artifact Creature — Scarecrow
Farmstead Gleaner doesn't untap during your untap step.
, 
: Put a +1/+1 counter on Farmstead Gleaner. ( is the untap symbol.)
When it finishes the harvest, you'll have nowhere to hide.
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(You may cast this card converted for .). This mana can't be spent to cast nonartifact spells. Convert Jetfire.Jetfire, Air Guardian
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (As long as it's your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Flying
: Convert Jetfire, then adapt 3. (If it has no +1/+1 counters on it, put three +1/+1 counters on it.)
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proven geyser
Yeah, pili-pala / Grand architect plus Eruth and Unctus would be a really convoluted combo. And colorless mana would be a waste tbh in a 4 colored deck. Unless I have [[chromatic Orrery]] or Mycosynth Lattice out
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Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color.
: Add .
, : Draw a card for each color among permanents you control.
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wide ether
or are using [[Walking Ballista]]
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Walking Ballista enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on Walking Ballista.
Remove a +1/+1 counter from Walking Ballista: It deals 1 damage to any target.
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proven geyser
That too. I have a walking ballista. Never known where to use it. What can be cut to add Grand Architect, Ballista and Pala?
wide ether
Possibly Chromatic Lantern and Commander Sphere
Just because you're looking at adding infinite mana generation combos. But I wouldn't be surprised if I were wrong.
Maybe thopter tezzeret?
proven geyser
Probs both mana rocks. I am planning on changing one for a Thought vessel though
proven geyser
Maybe thopter tezzeret?
Tezzeret Artifice Master is just there for the card draw. Is like the only function he serves.
But yeah, I can cut those for that.
Been also thinking on removing Goblin Welder since he doesn’t do much lately in the deck and ends up becoming a dead draw for me
Even Mirrodin Besieged is close to being axed since is too slow for what I want to do
proven geyser
Added::
Encroaching Mycosynth
Thought Vessel (hand size issues)
The Mycosynth Gardens
Removed::
Commander’s Sphere
Chromatic Lantern
Power Depot
To add::
Grand Architect
Pili-Pala
Walking Ballista
Considering::
Saheeli, Filigree Master (mainly for Ult)
Eruth, Tormented Prophet
proven geyser
Its neat but now I need to find a way to hit CmC 5 with Oswald.
Mostly so I can hit Mycosynth Lattice.
proven geyser
No, something at 5. I can target [[Sly Requisitioner]] but only if Encroaching Mycosyth is on board. I had Kuldotha Forgemaster but I want something more useful than that
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Creature — Human Artificer
Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Whenever a nontoken artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, create a 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature token.
2/2
wide ether
[[Ugin's Nexus]]?
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proven geyser
Gross. Love it
wide ether
[[Chaos Defiler]]
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proven geyser
[[Chaos Defiler]]
Chaos defiler will probs draw less hate tbh. And its a dual removal I can use to piggy-back to a lattice. Hmm.
wide ether
[[Helbrute]]
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wide ether
I'm looking at Scryfall and trying to remind myself of the ones I saw earlier.
Oh, obvious one [[Mishra's Self-Replicator]]
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Artifact Creature — Assembly-Worker
Whenever you cast a historic spell, you may pay . If you do, create a token that's a copy of Mishra's Self-Replicator. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
It has witnessed history's most significant events, one incarnation after another.
2/2
wide ether
The copies have cmc=5
So you can keep at least one and can keep sacrificing a copy with Oswald
I think that's it for legal artifacts that either have additional value with dying or have recursion.
proven geyser
Thats fine.
I’ll probably either use Chaos Defiler or Hellbrute. Since both would be useful to my purposes
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wide ether
vs [[$Helbrute]] and [[$Chaos Defiler]] (I know the pushing cEDH means the price shouldn't matter, but it's why I brought it up)
wide ether
Didn't realize Helbrute was that low for cost.
proven geyser
Nah, you’re good. I’m also foiling the whole deck, so expensive cards is to be expected
I also added the new Jhoira, but I feel like I can use her spot for something better
Well, NVMd. Forgot about grand architect and ballista and pala 😅
proven geyser
CEDH Breya…now this is fun.
Just pushing it as close to the edge as I can. Otherwise I won’t be able to play it at my LGS.
formal harbor
Just pushing it as close to the edge as I can. Otherwise I won’t be able to play...
Do you mean your LGS plays CEDH or do you mean you want to take it close to the CEDH level but you don’t want to be the causer of game violence at the LGs haha
proven geyser
Do you mean your LGS plays CEDH or do you mean you want to take it close to the ...
The second one. I figured since she was alreAdy encroaching cEDH level, why not push it closer yeah? I still need to get one more tutor and stuff and working on land base. Just the creatures and artifacts that need work. It tends to have a slow start then it overpowers everyone. Plus also sometimes i lack consistency to play the deck so more work is needed. 😅
proven geyser
Trying to figure out what to cut for a Walking Ballista
wide ether
I'm missing something on why Eruth
Because that's my first instinct since you don't have thoracle
valid trellis
Trying to figure out what to cut for a Walking Ballista
Don’t need ballista. Once you’ve got infinite mana you can cast Breya infinite times and blast everyone away with her bolt mode, sacking herself and a thopter
proven geyser
Because that's my first instinct since you don't have thoracle
Looting with Grand Architect + Pili-Pala will draw me a ton of cards. And since I will have infinite mana, I’d rather not sack stuff If I can help it.
I also need to test it so we’ll see if it works or not
proven geyser
Don’t need ballista. Once you’ve got infinite mana you can cast Breya infinite t...
Huh. Didn’t see it that way. (I also have a walking ballista just chilling in my binder with no deck to go into, so looking for an excuse😅)
valid trellis
Very fair
proven geyser
Any thoughts on adding a [[Thoughtcast]] and a [[Saheeli Filigree Master]]?
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Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Draw two cards.
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Legendary Planeswalker — Saheeli
+1: Scry 1. You may tap an untapped artifact you control. If you do, draw a card.
−2: Create two 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature tokens with flying. They gain haste until end of turn.
−4: You get an emblem with "Artifact creatures you control get +1/+1" and "Artifact spells you cast cost less to cast."
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