@haughty marten Thoughts on color cropping Jund Rats?
#Manafestation's Mega Brew Thread
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<@254711002904526848> Thoughts on color cropping Jund Rats?
I think color cropping almost always makes a deck more fun!
And it's not TOO hard to color-fix with a landbase and artifacts
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What does color cropping mean exactly?
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I am gonna just ping in #1033991244877148200
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When I say I have only "three" commander decks 🧐
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@gloomy badge Thoughts on changing the previously discussed Mono black treasures to the new mardu treasure animator [[Vihaan, Goldwaker]]
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Basically splash white and red into the manabase and keep the rest the same mostly? Seems would fix the main issue of creatures in play and plum could be a draw engine in the 99
Plus bigger payoffs with death triggers opened beyond artifacts
Ideally I can modify manabase to be able to still crank cabal coffers and lake of the Dead. Though swapping [[infernal Darkness]] to blood moon with an adjusted manabase is also making drool
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Enchantment
Cumulative upkeep—Pay 
and 1 life. (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
If a land is tapped for mana, it produces instead of any other type.
"I thought the day had brought enough horrors for our ragged band, but the night was far worse." —Lucilde Fiksdotter, leader of the Order of the White Shield
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Ooo geeze do I build a new deck with Yuma Desets or add to the identity of Mono black treasures to mardu with a color crop 🤔
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Sorry forgot to link him
Mainly looking at as the current list was eyeing more sac fodder
Still debating how to do manabase to get him on curve but not suffer when my contamination infernal Darkness/bloodmoon in play
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I mean Treasure
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True...
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Those and rocks like [[rakdos signet]]
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Artifact
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Made of bone and boiled in blood, a Rakdos signet is not considered finished until it has been used as a murder weapon.
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Signets make more sense than chrome mox
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Unsure
Like I have red spells like bolt bend and bloodmoon just does the same thing as contamination these days
Rakdos makes sense as I don't really need white removal
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It means you can honestly say you aren't running tithe
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Yes
As I don't own one and it makes me track more triggers than death
[[Storm kiln artist]] and [[xorn]] might be decent as reanimate fodder
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Well, you track triggers until your own inevitable death
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True, yes but less trigger tracking
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[[Balthor the defiled]]
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Dwarf
Minion creatures get +1/+1.
, Exile Balthor the Defiled: Each player returns all black and all red creature cards from their graveyard to the battlefield.
He remembers enough of his life to weep for what he has lost.
2/2
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Better be in the list if you do
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Maybe.
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[[strangle hold]]
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Most current paper list, debating gearing deck more into artifact reanimation with goblin engineer or goblin welder. Reasoning is two part. 1) I am already keying artifact creatures as my reanimation targets why not expand into the sac fodder targets as well? Scrap trawler makes sense 2) if I am already upping my artifact count for mana fixing why not lean more colorless to be more aggressive with bloodmoon and conatimimation styled effects. Heck even a couple tempo/ lite stax cards like topor orb and defense grid seem solid
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This card is drawing my attention as optimizing treasure crats is mind melting.
Potentially silly idea, skeletons as saddle fodder. Hear me out, they are recursive and have 2 or 3 power minimum. Factor in [[Skeletal swarming]] or death trigger buffing effects [[night howler]] you can get to 6 cards per swing easily. Back it up with landfall goodies and you have a GB landfall deck. Pretty sure extra combat is non existing in GB but please correct me
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Enchantment Creature — Horror
Bestow 
(If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached to a creature.)
Nighthowler and enchanted creature each get +X/+X, where X is the number of creature cards in all graveyards.
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Heck even [[Tribute to the World Tree]] turns the measly 2/1 skeletons I to 4 cards seen
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These is less [[gutterbones]] creatures that are skeletons than I thought...
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Creature — Skeleton Warrior
Gutterbones enters the battlefield tapped.
: Return Gutterbones from your graveyard to your hand. Activate only during your turn and only if an opponent lost life this turn.
"Down here, things don't stay dead." —Lavinia
2/1
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Yeah, usually there zombies or whatever the set calls for
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The skeletons are an interesting idea.
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But like [[hunted bone brute]]?
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Creature — Skeleton Beast
Menace
When Hunted Bonebrute enters the battlefield, target opponent creates two 1/1 white Dog creature tokens.
When Hunted Bonebrute dies, each opponent loses 3 life.
Disguise
6/2
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Or [[deathless knight]]
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Or [[deathless knight]]
Certainly seems like the idea has shakey legs at best
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https://archidekt.com/decks/7412983/froggy_fling_gb_lands Combing through collection yielded this list... likely needs the creatures flung to be refined down on card slots. Ideally two combats happen, first for a small to mid amount 3-4 cards drawn and I allecerate into the second combat the following turn. Ideally turning the corner somehow with large mana sink or something
Card pool is just interesting cards rn, ideally cards will shake loose a better deck direction in the morning
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Goldfishing Froggy fling has yielded over 20 goldfish till turn 8 via untap.in
Noticeably basics count is right where it needs to be, I have enough to search and enough for when I need to find them in the deck. Land ramp on bodies rather than sorcery/instants with 3+ power is important for overlap in flung and drawing non lands to keep the deck going.
The deck needs to have a wincon I am searching for, even if I do manage to pop off [[seedtime]] or [[temporal extortion]] it needs to close the game. Suggestions appreciated
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Another way is to run effects that empty my deck of lands in large quantities [[boundless realms]]/ [[Traverse the Outlands]]/[[Reshape the Earth]].
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[[$reshape the earth]]
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Updated froggy fling a bit, been lowing the sorcery count in favor of land or creaure based alternitives
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Debating on the last 5 cards. Ideally I run 2 mass land entry cards and 3 untap target land if I add 1 or 3 big mana producing lands excluding cradle. Question is do I devote my [[urzas saga]] to enable [[amulet of vigor]] and 2 other utility artifacts which are undecided. 😬
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Enchantment Land — Urza's Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Urza's Saga gains ": Add 
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II — Urza's Saga gains ", : Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with 'This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control.'"
III — Search your library for an artifact card with mana cost 
or , put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
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Opted to squeeze in [[tiller engine]] and do 2 untap target land cards and 2 mass land entry cards.
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Still on the fence on the urzas saga +3 card toolbox and limited interaction/instant speed removal
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Is it just me or does the double strike to "double up" [[the gitrog, ravenous ride]] a non synergy for the saddled ability?
My understanding is you cannot saddle multiple times but serves as saddled???
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Multiple things can saddle it
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Random deck idea
[[Sophia, Dogged Detective]]+ [[Mirror Box]] going to town with tokens(?)
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Legendary Creature — Human Detective
When Sophia, Dogged Detective enters the battlefield, create Tiny, a legendary 2/2 green Dog Detective creature token with trample.
, Sacrifice an artifact token: Put a +1/+1 counter on each Dog you control.
Whenever a Dog you control deals combat damage to a player, create a Food token, then investigate.
3/4
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Another way that seems to have more legs [[helm of the host]] + populate/token doubler. As the token made by helm of the host being copied would loose the legendary typing going forward...
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a token that's a copy of equipped creature, except the token isn't legendary. That token gains haste.
Equip 
Forged out of flowstone for the queen of Vesuva.
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WIP first draft, own for sure 20 cards ignoring basics, have to check for 19 in collection and 14 need to be acquired.
Looking for suggestions to up the creature count, ideally ones that find equipment/fixing mana. Idea is to get Helm of Host out on [[Sophia, dogged detective]] token Tiny. Clone the made token via populate/clones and just ride the wave beat stick wave while value drawing/ holding protection (?)
https://archidekt.com/decks/7546803/dogged_detective?sort=color_label&stack=custom
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Legendary Creature — Human Detective
When Sophia, Dogged Detective enters the battlefield, create Tiny, a legendary 2/2 green Dog Detective creature token with trample.
, Sacrifice an artifact token: Put a +1/+1 counter on each Dog you control.
Whenever a Dog you control deals combat damage to a player, create a Food token, then investigate.
3/4
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First impressions of "Dog Gone it, there is two" playtested 6 untap.in games at I want to. Say mid power tables (people attempted to win on turn 7 and healthy amount of interaction between countrmagc and pin point removal. plus 20 golfishes to turn 7.
Games on untap.in yielded the deck can functionally clone "tiny" and make lots of clue and food tokens with three "tiny" avg about 3 or 4 power trampling the board. Oddly enough I found my food tokens just sitting around while my cantrip clues gave me 2 cards a turn cyle typically, where I saw 23 to 25 cards over the course of 6 games. Games each ended by sheer outvaluing or large lifetotal swings post after one sided boardwipes (phasing via march of swirling mists defensively was clutch 3 games). Deck is more draw combat hold mana to value on end step than anticipated, using all my mana between on curve and holding draw or interaction is wild for such a combat focused deck.
While i lost each game the deck was persistent but unable to meaningfully turn the corner for a win. Off by a turn of combat or just a lack of haste after one sided boardwipes (cyclonic Rift urzas ruinous blast ruinious ultimatum ect)
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That's unfortunate
I wonder if you want a place for something like [[Wilderness Reclamation]] or [[Bear Umbra]] (on the cheaper ($) side of Seedborn Muse)
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Just something that allows you to reset your lands to be less draw-go in a way that means you can't cast on your turn too
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I meant to say I saw 23 to 25 cards over each game
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I got that's what you meant. They were super fast games otherwise.
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Indeed
In other news, I realized that the channel lands are super bonkers with 2 legends in play 🤣
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Yep
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considering [[peregrine took]] as a card draw outlet since my food tokens are just typically sitting pretty
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Citizen
If one or more tokens would be created under your control, those tokens plus an additional Food token are created instead. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Sacrifice three Foods: Draw a card.
"Sam! Get breakfast ready for half-past nine!"
2/3
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On the fence on if I should lean more into equipment vs the one for one interaction/protection spells with [[vesuvan duplimancy]]
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So hear me out
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[[Mishra, Artificer Prodigy]] in zone for grixis Rat Colony. Using mishra + [[Encroaching Mycosynth]]/[[Biotransference]] as effectively an off color [[Bloodbond March]]/ Thrumming Stone v2.
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Potential Cuts/looking for 4 Cuts. in order to get to 36 lands. Wastes are undecided lands...
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I got challenged as a rat player so I found a effectively 3 card interaction once the hermit and commander resolve that also should spawn120 rat tokens for loop limit (house rule of 6 iterations of loop per table turn cycle) using underworld breech songs of the damned and [[Song of Totentanz]]...
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if you're gonna run sylvan library I recommend running [[abundance]]
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both are really good on their own, but together they're really REALLY good
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Oh I know its a drug
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and seeing as you have quite a few tutors, you can easily get them both
remember, the way he's worded allows stuff like [[oriq loremage]] to basically demonic tutor every turn
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Creature — Human Warlock
: Search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle. If it's an instant or sorcery card, put a +1/+1 counter on Oriq Loremage.
Nothing can quell the Oriq's thirst for the forbidden secrets of the past.
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and seeing as you have quite a few tutors, you can easily get them both
I run one tutor that can hit non creatures rn
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Valid
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Had not though of them
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And [[gravebreaker lamia]]
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Enchantment Creature — Snake Lamia
Lifelink
When Gravebreaker Lamia enters the battlefield, search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle.
Spells you cast from your graveyard cost less to cast.
4/4
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This is just the first draft
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https://www.moxfield.com/decks/sST7JLRqRkqda6ovPZts2g
Me and Skrj are riffing together some aggro lists, here's what I came up with
https://archidekt.com/decks/7828685/all_smash
Here's what they had
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Ideally I find room to add back in the 2 rats that have */1 power
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Yeah, like I said if you can I'd bump that up to like 30
I think, technically the magic number to hit for thrumming stone is like 29
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[[$thrumming stone]]
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Oh, gotcha
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I am werid and I avoid marrow combo and stone so yeah...
Mainly as I have done it before
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I mean I don't blame you,
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20ish decks over 5 years in paper 2 where relentless rats the rest have been 20x rat colony in the 99
Also why is there no cheap flashback spells in jund that hit enchantments ...
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Jumpstart and retrace are not
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[[worm harvest]] is pretty neat
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I am secretly a graveyard rat player
[[direstrain rampage]] and [[wreck and rebuild]] seem a decent rate
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Sorcery
Destroy target artifact, enchantment, or land. If a land was destroyed this way, its controller may search their library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle. Otherwise, its controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Flashback 
Sorcery
Choose one —
• Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
• Mill five cards, then you may put a land card from your graveyard onto the battlefield tapped.
Flashback
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Those are good, especially if you're specifically looking for flashback
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Flashback is just a habit of checking that can it be played from grave
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@dense night [[pack rat]] but with 20 rats in the grave via hermit druid. Commander is secondary commander form Graveyard Overdrive Coram, the Undertaker 🙃
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Creature — Rat
Pack Rat's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Rats you control.
, Discard a card: Create a token that's a copy of Pack Rat.
*/*
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if you have rats in play, pack rat will see them from any zone
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Yes, I just plan to underworld breech the 20 rats into play or use rat token makers
Now that I think of it...
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Ngl I like where the deck is going
Also cannot visualize Coram, the Undertaker without some rats as he leads his Rat tokens to battle
Perhaps an alter is in order
Additionally holding protection in red and green is more difficult than anticipated, typically only have 2 red one for underworld breach cast and [[songs of totentanz]] at the end. Perhaps [[imps mischief]] to protect against single target counters?
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Notably filtering to green is easier than red as I can use a smaller songs of the damned to use culling ritual to climb the mana and filter it
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Likely will not be using culling ritual as the alt songs as breech is a 2cmc o.o
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So looking at the scion and spwan pool for [[Azlask, the Swelling Scourge]]. Makes me wonder how a sac list with ashnods altar would work due to sifter of skulls type of effects 🤔
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Legendary Creature — Eldrazi
Whenever Azlask, the Swelling Scourge or another colorless creature you control dies, you get an experience counter.
: Creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of experience counters you have. Scions and Spawns you control gain indestructible and annihilator 1 until end of turn.
2/2
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Scions and ashnods and nim death mantle works, just boring
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Further tasting with Jund Ratball,I have now played 15 games via untap.in total and won about 10 of them, 5 directly from pitching 2 or 3 rat colony to greater good.
That said, the deck needs 2 or 3 more mana filtering at 1 mana or less when I am setting up for mana outlet, ie I go Underworld breech Ratball Combo, free or filtering from black to other colors for protection is critical.
Needing to find space for
commanders sphere
Deflecting swat/bolt bend
SO I am getting this board state between altar of dementia/greater good + bloodbond march. Notably this is limiting myself to 5 iterations of rat self mill via altar/greater good to prevent my turn just ending (per house rules).
Typically have counter magic to boot, but not anti swat protection 🤔 Avg turn 7 or 8
Though people quit after me answering the counterspell for rituals and songs of Totzentaz on untap.
Also, lotus petal should have gone into this deck sooner!
Underneath it all rat colony is just an engine for underworld breech lines that happen to end in rats 🐀
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[[Ashes of the fallen]] + [[Disa the restless]] with self mill and creature hits bin from my deck that is non lhurgoyf? Obviously maskwood nexus and conspiracy work but will ashes of the fallen also work? 🤔
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[[Maskwood nexus]]
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Artifact
Creatures you control are every creature type. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield.
, : Create a 2/2 blue Shapeshifter creature token with changeling. (It is every creature type.)
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Mmm buried alive piles with maskwood nexus or ashes of the fallen might be amusing
Though if i care about typal checks as they enter play maskwood nexus is the better choice, when considering [[pyroghf]]
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[[Pyrogoyf]]
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@frail plank Sorry I had stepped away
To answer your request I am not the best judge on power, combination of play style and despite my 5+ years of on and off commander I really am only a rat specialist with graveyard and aristocrat engine
Though I am gonna say this, your deck seems to be going in the right direction, powerful single cards and certainly lots of potential. I will say this though, [[grand abolisher]] redundant no interacting on my turn along with Silence and or oriums chant are great. I would consider [[imperial recruiter]] and/or [[recuiter of the guard]]. Classic toolbox tutors, also humans that can be saced and recurred!
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Jund ratball, got me my first win in my lgs league on its debut showing. Notably slower game table turn 9 or 10 due to my deck having to be the control deck and aggro at the same time so it was crazy. Final turn was gloriously 17 rat colony recurred with haste via graverecurred bloodbond march.
Notably league lasts 9 weeks with a finals fellowship table and winners table lowest score for 2 weeks is dropped.
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Also worth noting that [[Spymaster's Vault]] is a mini greater good, that does major work provided you have/encounter a selective wrath/board wipe and one creature.
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Land
Spymaster's Vault enters the battlefield tapped unless you control a Swamp.
: Add .
, : Target creature you control connives X, where X is the number of creatures that died this turn. (Draw X cards, then discard X cards. Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature for each nonland card discarded this way.)
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So porting over Mardu Treasure to Mardu Clues, is forcing me to take a hard look at what creatures are between offensive and ulitlity
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Spymaster's vault is a card I need to remember to buy a copy of before it goes up in price just because it can empty your library
I'm not sure what you mean for "between offensive and utility" though
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Oh right, fell asleep before I started actually finishing thoughts.
Since sophina, needs additional non token attackers for best results. Though I am likely to use wernog as the clue generation with sophina suited up with cranial plating with trample
[[Sophina, Spearsage Deserter]] // [[Wernog, Rider's Chaplain]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Menace
Whenever Sophina, Spearsage Deserter attacks, investigate once for each nontoken attacking creature. (To investigate, create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Friends forever (You can have two commanders if both have friends forever.)
4/4
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https://archidekt.com/decks/7240434/jund_ratball
Fine tuning some card slots in jund ratball for competive league at lgs. Protection slots should include 1cmc or "free/alt cost" cards to protect the underworld breach turn (haste + bloodbond march + rats).
[[Flare of Duplication]] Likely will be sacing commander when coram cast/play ability is spent. However it can copy the x value of songs of totentanz.
[[Bolt bend]] unreliable 1 mana cost when starting the underworld breach. Can redirect abilities, redirecting instant speed endurance/bojuka bog style effects.
Considering red elemental blast or Veil of Summer as 4th slot, likely will cut a ramp slot for 4th protection slot
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This spell costs less to cast if you control a creature with power 4 or greater.
Change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.
"Give them everything you've got . . . and some things you don't." —Ral Zarek
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How does competitive league run?
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It has a scoring system and some house rules on when the game can be won and how the game can be won. Ie house rules on higher power but between tuned mid and well below cedh power.
Simplified rules: no time for fun
Players cannot eliminate an opponent prior to "table turn 6" starting the 1st players turn 6 the rule is lifted.
This is tricky and causes several discussions during gameplay and deck building. In my opinion the hardest part of building league decks.
Don't go infinite*
Inifnite controled combos/loops are limited to 6 iterations per player turn.
Offical rules linked https://smetchratgames.com/rules/edh-league-season-rules
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Some boogie man decks exist, and shape the league each couple seasons. However I enjoy the lgs location and playerbase the games are varied and several strategies exist.
Notably instant speed interaction is high(stack typically are 3 or more cards deep in counterspell wars), explosive mana is common (dockside cradle and jeskas will), and lite stax blind obedience collector oopue ect.
games are played over 9 or 10 weeks, week 10 or 11 finals are scored for higher table and fellowship score highest get name on a plaque. Winner of finals and fellowship vote split a booster box.
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@quiet surge best I could summarize😅
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Looking at creed, strongly considering tinkering with Aveline de Grandpré perhaps the overlap of deathouch and facedown will make me stick with gb forced unfavorable blocks.dec
Like straight up 3 generic to protect with ward 2 is basically an equip cost for boots for the turn she comes down
Sadly combat damage removes walking balista with death touch machine guns
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Turns out Wick, the Whorled Mind seems neat. Also whorled turns out to mean round about or twisted.
Gonna do first draft, might be later this weekend. Name idea
Ratscargo
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I keep going around on this card. I know the combo it does, how does that influence how I see the commander
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Legit the alt art makes me have nightshade palumu vibes from monster hunter world
Lowkey checking if a instant or sorcery can do word swapping on the card. Namely to make it less dead permanent based change the type effects that while work is just easy mode
Also 4cmc commanders are better when the ability is cooked in color intense rather than manfix or die
[[Artificial Evolution]]
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Yes
It does, and works the way you would want it to. And Wick doesn't require it to be another creature, so you can even sacrifice it it like a giant rat bomb.
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It does, and works the way you would want it to. And Wick doesn't require it to ...
How does it work the way they want it to?
It would just make it to where whenever a rat enters you put a counter on a rat, which is basically the same thing as making the snail
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Rat colony go brrrr or you can put the counters on wicked
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https://archidekt.com/decks/8464974/wicks_escargo_ubr_rats
WIP still trying to decide on picking a lane for sacing snails for value or just full on fling the current list is going. Pardon my dust in the landbase though
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I'm trying to remember the wording on this more than anything [[song of totentanz]]
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I don't know. I was looking through the deck history and things. And was like, am I just misremembering this card?
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[[arthor]]
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[[Arthur, Marigold Knight]] gives me munda ambush leader vibes.
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I'm working on changing my Shadowfax to Arthur
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Debating how much top deck manipulation i want
Like that was mundas flaw
But you building around and getting the etbs more than once makes me think this is more value based extra combat deck
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Munda?
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[[Munda the ambush leader]]
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Brain just imploded as there is no creature type limitations
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… does Ally not count to you?
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Ally is a creature type
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Oh no I meant for arthur, options made me implode. Might use mono red and artifacts theme to get started and let the deck expose what is lacking
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Oh my bad
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[[Winter, Cynical Opportunist]] best cards to bin and recur using buried alive and dyrad arbor with with a enchantment or artifact creature. Looking for static or high impact etb.
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One idea is to run a few utility creatures with artifact or enchantment to value off and just use one high impact etb or static ability
Trick is not going to tutor for a tutor
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Despite the ability to weaponize a 6/6 flying beater that can set up the following turn and or instant speed interaction to hand to handle other threats
Via [[burning Rune demon]]
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Okay so surely there is a self sac combo line for [[the master of keys]]. First idea is to use animate dead necromancy dance of dead ect with [[Leon relic warder]] or [[Iridescent Drake]] and company with a sac outlet with option to make mana or just leaves triggers. If making positive mana I can just bin deck with commander recast and recur win effects like lab man I guess
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I suppose I can just [[Sevinne's Reclamation]]
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Sorcery
Return target permanent card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. If this spell was cast from a graveyard, you may copy this spell and may choose a new target for the copy.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
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Very rough first draft.
Need to figure out better self mills and room for black rituals while upping creature count...
Couple ideas for big mana
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fit [[fatesticher]] with [[intruder alarm]] to make lots of mana off big mono black lands when reanimating via enchantments
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black rituals with [[Swarm intelligence]] + [[lier Disciple of the drowned]]
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Creature — Zombie Wizard
: You may tap or untap another target permanent.
Unearth (: Return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step or if it would leave the battlefield. Unearth only as a sorcery.)
1/2
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I might have misplaced my coffers so I typically lean more black creature heavy so I get a 2nd black mana land in [[Crypt of Agadeem]]
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Crypt of Agadeem enters tapped.
: Add .
, : Add for each black creature card in your graveyard.
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Are you casting a lot of instants/sorceries?
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Maybe I should just go back to rats bc looking at the cards I have say vs I need... accumulated enchantments in trades is gonna be a big factor
X.x
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😔
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Yeah irl sometimes fun is dampended by responability
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After midnight deck idea I scribbled down
[[Rendmaw, Creaking Nest]] + [[mystic forge]] using high density of artifact creatures cast maybe 10 to 15 artifact creatures discounted to cheap or near free via iron works/ashnods/ cost reduction. That is effectively a win con of pass turn hold a fog and see the crows murder one another or just smaller [[squall line]]/ [[hurricane]] to close it out
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Artifact
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast artifact spells and colorless spells from the top of your library.
, Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library.
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SO this is the working draft, I need to cut cards for artifact creatures that have a function other than being an artifact creature, one area I can likely reduce is the count of instants and sorcery which are currently at 25 slots, so suggestions on redundancies in artfact creature form would be appericated.
Ideally I get the 21 artifact creatures to 30 so I need 9 replacements for my instants and sorcery replacements🤔
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Some cards that I am considering replacing
Sylvan Library
Vat of Rebirth
Urza's Saga
Urzas saga more often than not is grabbing sol ring x.x
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https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S3y4YXMUaEWTe52dxXavkg
Here's the list I've been toying with, less focused on having to have loads of artifact creatures but some of then are really good subs for spells like Necron Deathmark and Noxious Gearhulk
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This is a gift and I thank you
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Also the reason for such a high density is so I can make maximum crows with greater consistency
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Welcome back everyone!
I have been fixated on a new project for a flicker/ go wide tokens with the goal of making the deck able to swap between [[Toby]] and [[Delney, Streetwise Lookout]] in the zone to adjust the deck accordingly. Overall I do have some 
hardware, so far.
I am in a strange color to me so I am relying on edhrec and the community a fair bit.
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Decklist holder
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@cloud yoke https://archidekt.com/decks/7240434/jund_ratball is my pride and joy for higher than casual games, several slots are not up to date but I feel the disucssion of removal is a fun one
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I love that commander and have seriously thought about building him after seeing someone at my store (his was decently high power too).
But I just built the Indoraptor so a lot of my lands and all for the color combo were taken.
This is my most meme deck - it’s John wick and I put mostly cards with guns or related to the movie (mostly the first two).
I initially built it when the war hammer decks came out, but I didn’t want to just make it most those guys with guns, so I found old or other art with guns (there isn’t much and especially in only 2 colors).
Anyway, my point is, I do run a good bit of removal even in a super meme deck
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My meta at a couple old stores was pretty cutthroat
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So much many 4 or 5cmc wraths to choose from in white 😵💫
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Yes and they're often 2 white pips, so it makes it even more of a 'do I put this in...'
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WIP zombie deck aiming for above upgraded precon to fringe league power at the lgs. Pretty much value piles atm, likely will be cutting stax catagory.
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Well its been a ride into the new year but long story short: my local community is shaking into two worlds. One my work buddies pod are all fledglings and I have bulk to spare so that is making me rethink power and intent of my lists. LGS I frequent is changing up their league and I am just gonna keep going full tilt jund rats
Actively brewing with cards I own rather than optimizing thoery craft to do Simic Facedown tribal with the bones of murders of markov manor and duskmorn with the jump scare precon + packs I opened from prerelease under [[Vannifar, Evolved Enigma]] in zone. List to follow...
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Legendary Creature — Elf Ooze Wizard
At the beginning of combat on your turn, choose one —
• Cloak a card from your hand. (Put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
• Put a +1/+1 counter on each colorless creature you control.
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Actively brewing with cards I own rather than optimizing thoery craft to do Simi...
I made a full list if you’re interested, I’d love to hear how your list differs and where cards that are similar perform for you
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Debating how to preserve +1/+1 counters as my gut is bouncy house if I can find my conjures closet and its friends
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I made a full list if you’re interested, I’d love to hear how your list differs ...
Feel free to link but I gotta sort cards in the next hour
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So i went full bore into the counters theme, with a very few cards that care about face down and friends
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Jelly of the ozolith
One thing worth mentioning is that green has the majority of the facedown toys debating revisting green black scared to death
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Jelly of the ozolith
I haven’t built this in paper - i’ve only played it once on tts and I had to rework it lol
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Oof
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It was too unfocused, I feel more confident in this version
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As i just pulled all the green morph cloak and Manifest in my collection and my collection is geared to black single card powerhouses
Like if they had easier ways to add from zone to hand and not use a different colored sleeve per norm might be "cute", which would be pointless as you need to keep the facedowns organized and no deceiving intent
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Sooo rather than making new from scratch using cards I own and flipping my typical rat deck upside down...reanimating marrow gnawer and using life a as a resource
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Todays project
Rat cage pulls/unsorted pack pulls. in progress of being sorted in phases
Phase 1: sorting by colors/ muti color colorless and non basic lands only. Ended at 1pm
2: de sleeving and protecting foils and begin looking for groupings by magic set. - started at 1pm ended about 2pm
3: finalizing ungrouped magic sets
4: ??????
Edit: 2:50p found a cache of non basics to include surviels fetches and a few shocks tangos snarls pain lands and now I gotta binder them. Good problem to have but distracting from main goal.
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Rep Your Guild June 2025 - rakdos rats v1 paper list submitted
https://archidekt.com/snapshots/64090/preevent_desk_list
Paper List LGS partner event snapshot/10+ decklist changes
https://archidekt.com/snapshots/64273
Upped the card draw, adjusted the rat colony count for diverse rats, debating if I run enough 4 or 5 drop creatures to justify burn offering and/or sacrifice for ritual mana to fuel Song of Totentanz. Additionally am I on strong enough reanimate targets to justify necromancy and/or animate deed 🤔
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15* cards slots remain, ratios are still rough for a template build. Trying to go direction of ramp hard, cast commander climb into a "scammed" Triskelion attempt to machine gun as I sac my board.
Seeking recs for creative ways to sac/make large non token sacfodder...
*likely trimming utility and sorcery ramp down to fit more lands as 31 lands should be 38ish to include utility lands.
https://archidekt.com/decks/14323235/jund_league_wip?sort=color_label&stack=custom
current ideas include, [[Rain of Filth]] [[life//death]]
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Instant
Until end of turn, lands you control gain "Sacrifice this land: Add ."
"When I say it rained, it was not small drops, but a thick, greasy drool pouring from the heavens." —Urza, journal
Sorcery
All lands you control become 1/1 creatures until end of turn. They're still lands.
Death
Sorcery
Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. You lose life equal to its mana value.
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https://archidekt.com/decks/14635786/blue_jelly?sort=color_label&stack=custom
Tinkering with the list digitally over the weekend and trading into sensei's top i am facing a question of if this needs to be side graded from bracket 3 to 2 by dropping the game changers and revising the intent of the deck or if its even possible to have function fairly in a bracket 3 space.
It's slow and intresting to play for the user but run into issues contributing to the game outside of my own plan and prolonged non deterministic turns
Game changers
Fierce Guardianship
Ancient Tomb```
unfun/not socially aligned with bracket???
```Cavern of Souls
Mindlock Orb
Vexing Bauble
Lodestone Golem```
Thoughts on the bracket of intent and/or if this can be played in the intended bracket of 3 or if should be downgraded to be more 2 focused