https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YUSSlOBepUOLKUWlA6LLTg
Id like to keep the ramp around the 25 mark, but I’m down for suggestions on cuts/adds! No combos please! This is a battle cruiser deck!
#Urza, Prince of Kroog
molten knoll
tidal pineBOT
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[[!raff capashen]]
molten knoll
[[Vedalken Orrery]]
molten knoll
But also what to cut for it
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yeah im workign my way down the list haha. I like Raff becasue of his flash ability as well plus its a body to deal damage. We gotta win somehow amirite haha
whats the win condition in here?
or win condition intent
molten knoll
Hah. Uh.. tokens
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lol fair enough
molten knoll
I have a #Game Enders tag on the deck that should give you an idea
still yoke
awesome. I love brewing so im happy to build this up with you 🙂
molten knoll
I just put everything that furthers my game plan in that category
Things like [[War Horn]] and [[Chief of the Foundry]]
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holy wow batman only 1 instant
molten knoll
Ye. I build all of my decks pretty straightforward
If there’s an artifact that can do that job I’d rather have that because I can reuse it with Urza
I honestly considered that one artifact that costs 1 and you pay 7, {T} and destroy any permanent
Because I can copy the hell out of that
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is there a counterspell artifact haa
molten knoll
Hmmm good question
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I understand you want ramp but I think at some point you are goign to experience the "diminishing returns" and "mana flood" scenario. which is rough.
Like you have some incredible stuff in here but I dont think you need ALL of it ahha.
It's also your list so if you are happy Im happy lol
molten knoll
Here’s the thing though, if I’m flooded I will always have stuff to do with it
I just cast Urza and copy more rocks which become blockers and more rocks
He overwhelms on his own
Only way I could be stopped is if they remove him like 10 times or smith ridiculous
molten knoll
People in my meta also typically leave commanders alone for some reason ¯_(ツ)_/¯
still yoke
lol thats a very important thing for this list haha
molten knoll
I have a very similar [[Marneus Calgar]] deck with even more ramp and it still gets consistent wins
tidal pineBOT
Legendary Creature — Astartes Warrior
Double strike
Master Tactician — Whenever one or more tokens enter the battlefield under your control, draw a card.
Chapter Master — 
: Create two 2/2 white Astartes Warrior creature tokens with vigilance.
3/5
molten knoll
Thing with him is that I don’t have to dedicate as many card slots to draw then
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yeah the situation i dont like is when you are flooded and the only thing you can do is play stuff that increases the flood aha
Like if you are flooded and your hand is just mana rocks, are you actually improving your situation lol.
molten knoll
I mean yea, I can at least provide a board state
still yoke
It's personal preference again so Im happy if you are.
I see your intent on using Urza as mucha s possible which is great
and he has a sink on him which is awesome
molten knoll
Okay so I know mind stone, hedron archive and dream Hedron exist as draw rocks, is there anything similar?
still yoke
There are plenty of artifacts that draw you cards and dont need to be sac'd
[[!arcane encyclopedia]] i believe is one
molten knoll
Is manifest only for creatures?
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[[!aether spellbomb]]
molten knoll
Yea, there’s that 2 mana rock that has {T}: manifest the top card of your library
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Manifest takes teh top card and puts it on to the field as a 2/2. It doesn't care what the card itself is
molten knoll
If it lets me cast the rocks under it it could be very effective
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yeah your head is in the right space
you can cast the card you manifest, creature or not
[[!carnage altar]] is another draw
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odd board wipe layering if things get weird
molten knoll
Ooh , could be spicy.
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[[!culling dias]]
tidal pineBOT
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[[!culling dais]]
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[[!endless atlas]]
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[[!idol of oblivion]]
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[[!jalum tome]]
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[[!mnemonic sphere]] may be one of the better ones because you can sac the tokens and sink mana into it to draw 2
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[[!serum tank]] is clunky but could be fun given the theme here
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[[!sicarian infiltrator]] prolly needs to go in the list as both a mana sink and a plausible win con/draw engine.
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[[!staff of domination]] and [[!retrofitter foundry]] both seem SUPER good in the list
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[[!urza's tome]] just to be on theme lol
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[[!wedding ring]] should prolly be in here too haha
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There ya go. That should be all of the draw you could ever want haha
molten knoll
[[Scroll of Fate]].. not what I thought it was
tidal pineBOT
Artifact
: Manifest a card from your hand. (Put that card onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
"Our stories define our reality." —Ugin
molten knoll
Also only lets me cast creatures
still yoke
oh its from hand
yeah
sorry fam
still I don't think you need to dig that deep. You have a ton of utility here
and if you are a combo player and are proxy friendly, you are in teh bomberman colors ahha
molten knoll
Fair enough. I just figure I’d need a lot of draw to subsidize a lot of ramp
Idol of oblivion could be really spicy
still yoke
yeah I think you have the ability here to create a ton of utility if the cards you run are balanced out and what not. I think the manifest is not 100% needed.
molten knoll
[[!sicarian infiltrator]] prolly needs to go in the list as both a mana sink an...
Problem is with sicarian is that he kinda sucks after he first drops
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the thing that concerns me most with the list is any level of interaction
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Problem is with sicarian is that he kinda sucks after he first drops
he is blockers and draws you a ton and can turn sideways ahha.
molten knoll
Right. I am obviously worried too but I’ll have to play it to really get what doesn’t work.
I think right now I have [[Ichor Wellspring]] in over sicarian
molten knoll
I wish sicarian had flying or smth so it would be a shoe in haha
still yoke
Ichor doesn't have anywhere near the same rate BUT I do think it needs to stay.
Point being it will be 7 mana to draw 3 with 3 active bodies on Sic. vs 8 to draw 3 on Ichor.
molten knoll
Thoughts on [[Tezzerets Gatebreaker]]?
tidal pineBOT
Artifact
When Tezzeret's Gatebreaker enters the battlefield, look at the top five cards of your library. You may reveal a blue or artifact card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
, , Sacrifice Tezzeret's Gatebreaker: Creatures you control can't be blocked this turn.
still yoke
I feel like its alot of effort for a meh pay off. Liek it READS really strong. But to get the complete package from this thing, you need to put 10 mana into it. and that gets you a thing to hand. you still gotta cast it.
molten knoll
True true… I just liked that it served a dual purpose, which is kinda the name of the game for the deck
It allows me to get through with soldiers and draw cards, you got a better option perhaps?
I wonder if I should run mana vault, it’d be really effective but if I copy too many and can’t untap them I’d be screwed
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I wonder if I should run mana vault, it’d be really effective but if I copy too ...
yeah like vault carries a lot of weight, some good, some bad. So i'd prolly steer clear there. But there are probably better ways to get your creatures through without paying 6 mana.
I also am not a fan of combat overall so I tend to try and find ways to win outsid eof it ahha
for example, [[!glaring spotlight]]
molten knoll
Fair enough. I do also give decent preference to creatures that fit this theme that have flying as well because they still have flying
still yoke
3, sac it, creatures get hexproof and can't be blocked
molten knoll
for example, [[!glaring spotlight]]
I was heavily considering it. I forgot it just said “creatures” and not target
It’s going in
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so for the casting cost of Tezzeret, you get a ton of utility
yeah I think thats jsut better
you also may find great value in [[!mystic forge]]
molten knoll
Protects urza better
molten knoll
you also may find great value in [[!mystic forge]]
Yea that’s basically just a future sight in my deck haha
I also think I’m going to keep [[Expedition Map]] against my better judgement for the flavor include of the urza lands
tidal pineBOT
Artifact
, , Sacrifice Expedition Map: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
"I use maps to find out where explorers have already been. Then I go the other way." —Javad Nasrin, Ondu relic hunter
molten knoll
I’m also curious about whether I should run [[Foundry inspector]]-esque effects. I know it basically makes all of my cards 1 less but if I’m activating urza it’s not really that effective
tidal pineBOT
Artifact Creature — Construct
Artifact spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
Automaton inspectors ensure that the Consulate's stringent standards for mass production are upheld.
3/2
molten knoll
I’m definitely keeping [[Jhoiras familiar]] because it makes urza cost less
tidal pineBOT
Artifact Creature — Bird
Flying
Historic spells you cast cost less to cast. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
"You could say it was my pet project." —Jhoira
2/2
still yoke
I think you keep these in there becasue Urza will not always exist and you will need to have a fall back plan
I would encourage you to brew with 3 things in mind.
A) Your commander isn't always going to be there
B) Your hand is going to run out of gas at some point
C) One player is going to make combat very difficult.
If you have a plan in mind for each of these things, your games will go infinitely more in your favor from an experience standpoint
YOu may not win, but you will always be a contender 🙂
molten knoll
If I need to turtle up I just copy that a bunch and I’m good
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thats a weird one for me. Ar you jsut tryign to stack it
got it\
you could do something like [[!meekstone]]
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turtle up hella hard
molten knoll
Nah urza turns them into 3/3s
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and not for nothing, your deck woul dplay under a [[!humility]] really well
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I don't encourage this kind of behavior publicly but like...if the world calls for it ahha
molten knoll
lol you’re right, I’ll have to consider it
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Liek you'd get to keep your artifacts, AND your tokens are already 1/1s. You would jus tneed to ensure that Urza is goo dhaha
Liek set up your whole board, then drop humility as your last card.
raven turret
One card that I'm thinking about for this Urza is [[Transmogrifying Licid]]
tidal pineBOT
Artifact Creature — Licid
, : Transmogrifying Licid loses this ability and becomes an Aura enchantment with enchant creature. Attach it to target creature. You may pay to end this effect.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and is an artifact in addition to its other types.
2/2
raven turret
And [[Silverskin Armor]]
tidal pineBOT
Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and is an artifact in addition to its other types.
Equip
Partisan spies warned that no armor would protect the body from Phyrexian infection. Neurok strategists took that as a challenge.
raven turret
With the Mirrym question of "At what point is it good to just copy him"
molten knoll
I wouldn’t ever want to copy urza himself
Equipment also doesn’t work if it’s also a creature
So I’d prefer to avoid that
I do run [[Liquimetal torque]] for the few non-artifact permanents I do run though.
tidal pineBOT
Artifact
: Add 
.
: Target nonland permanent becomes an artifact in addition to its other types until end of turn.
"Weaponized jewelry has a long and respected history." —Ervos Trax
molten knoll
[[Mirror Box]]
molten knoll
HMMMMMM
That’s pretty good… I wonder what else I could use? Maybe [[Coat of Arms]]? Though that feels like it’d benefit me less than perhaps a “regular” token deck
molten knoll
Oh, how about [[Metallic Mimic]]?
raven turret
I wouldn't do coat of arms. There are just enough ways to make nonlegendary token copies of cards now, or ones like Mirror box. Which was why I was looking at copying him.
That can work. If you lean into tribal stuff at all there are lords and cards like [[Gempalm Avenger]] too
tidal pineBOT
Creature — Human Soldier
Cycling 
(, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle Gempalm Avenger, Soldier creatures get +1/+1 and gain first strike until end of turn.
3/5
raven turret
Or like [[Vesuvan Duplimancy]]
molten knoll
That can work. If you lean into tribal stuff at all there are lords and cards li...
I would definitely prefer keeping the anthems as artifacts like [[Chief of the foundry]] so I can keep copying them
molten knoll
But leaning into the tribal theme can’t hurt
Urza is so flavorful too, making a pile of artifacts into a fully fledged army
raven turret
Wrong window!
molten knoll
Wrong window!
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raven turret
I had a reply to something else, and I should have deleted the apology message after. I'm sorry about that.
molten knoll
No problem lol
lament umbra
[[Jhoira's Familiar]] copied a few times makes 90% of all artifacts free
tidal pineBOT
Artifact Creature — Bird
Flying
Historic spells you cast cost less to cast. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
"You could say it was my pet project." —Jhoira
2/2
molten knoll
[[Jhoira's Familiar]] copied a few times makes 90% of all artifacts free
Yup, there’s a LOT of cards that are extremely good when copied in this deck, and some that I thought would just be really cool when copied like [[Cumber Stone]] and [[Platinum Angel]]
molten knoll
Could be real good, though he’s not an artifact for some reason
And 6 mana to activate urza is preferable for my stupid deck idea than 7 mana for jin, especially because he just kinda sucks to play against
lament umbra
for 1 mana more you can get some countering lol
molten knoll
Yea, like I said he sucks to play against and I’ve been trying to avoid that for now
lament umbra
ok
molten knoll
If I want to turn this deck up I’ll definitely run that bad boi but I’m going to attempt to start lower power
That’s also why I’m excluding rhystic study and smothering tithe
lament umbra
yeah
raven turret
Could be real good, though he’s not an artifact for some reason
Phyrexians never are outside of a few mirran cases.
Spellskite, etc.
molten knoll
Oof I just realized that [[Rug of smothering]] is good good in this deck
molten knoll
Copy that 3 or 4 times and I’ve essentially shut down anyone else from doing anything but attacking
To which I can just keep activating urza
harsh creek
Seems solid
Wait
Legendary rule
I’d cut the Artifact lands if I were you
They’re cool and synergize well, but they open your mana base up to removal
I’ve blown up my opponents artifact lands turn 1 before and it just ruins their early game
The downsides are way worse than the upsides
molten knoll
I’d cut the Artifact lands if I were you
I usually cut them for that reason, I’ll probably leave them in to try them until they blow up in my face
At least I’ll remove the non-indestructible ones
harsh creek
Could be real good, though he’s not an artifact for some reason
Jin-Gitaxias isn’t an artifact in the same way General Grievous isn’t a droid
molten knoll
Right, it’s still dumb
harsh creek
That’s pretty good… I wonder what else I could use? Maybe [[Coat of Arms]]? Thou...
Coat of Arms is absolutely ridiculous here. Coat of Arms but all your creatures are Coat of Arms
molten knoll
That’s what I’m seeing. Do you have a cut to suggest? Typically from the same tag?
I’m thinking maaaaybe master of etherium to lower my colored mana count, or adaptive automaton because that requires I copy my creatures
Or maybe even [[Blightsteel Colossus]] because that’s just an “I feel like running this” kind of card
harsh creek
That’s what I’m seeing. Do you have a cut to suggest? Typically from the same ta...
Towashi Guide-Bot seems real bad, why is it in the deck?
molten knoll
I figured that because it can give itself counters, it pretty quickly becomes a pile of creatures that say {T}: draw a card
I was mid on it anyway, but figured it might be a sleeper so wanted to give it a shot
harsh creek
Towashi Guide-Bot puts a +1/+1 counter on one thing. Coat of Arms makes your whole army enormous. It does draw cards but you can just play other cards that draw cards faster with less investment
molten knoll
Right, those aren’t much of a comparison but I see your reasoning for not running towashi