Ward went a long way to making it stick around. I personally view wheels as gas if you build it around recursion rather than draw triggers. Oddly working on [[Zurzoth, Chaos Rider]] rn
#Daedalus's Deckbuilding Domain -- Help Appreciated!
vast vale
timber mesaBOT
vast vale
Not sure if explaining zurzoth helps draws comparisons in the same player base
static spire
If Zurzoth were blue-red (and available in foil) I would absolutely have built the fellow
static spire
I feel like I could make Locust God and Ovika play very similarly, but the ward plus the ability to generate tokens immediately rather than needing a draw effect seems very relevant
vast vale
It is very
static spire
There's a concerning amount of time where I go "T2 Locust God, interaction check?"
Which is not exactly what I want to do
I'm hoping that maybe Plot and/or free spells like Force of Will would allow me to drop Ovika and get immediate value rather than waiting for interaction and winning if I untap
vast vale
I have seen roughly a 3rd of the games be the interaction checks for this style. It literally was then a find a board wipe check which is on the downturn
green plover
I imagine Ovika would get a big boost from the new Izzet cards.
vast vale
Removing spot removal/one for one interaction which is higher saturation in my experience and mind is super worth the jump
static spire
I imagine Ovika would get a big boost from the new Izzet cards.
Yeah, that's my thought too
The other thing I'm excited about Ovika for is that she can instantly flip any Battle
vast vale
Yes
static spire
I think I might have to brew this later today haha
vast vale
Also since we all play edh at reasonable power, prices go up. Anyone have experience with protecting beyond sleeves and deck boxes?
static spire
Also since we all play edh at reasonable power, prices go up. Anyone have experi...
What kind of protection are you looking for?
green plover
Probably a formal container to keep all the boxes in.
vast vale
I have a toolbox, but I checked my price tag like a fool of the decks in what's in my footlocker/toolbox
Guess I am questioning if I am needing to insurance or if a tracking fob and bringing decks inside when not using them is enough 💀
frigid tulip
oh my ovika is still in the works, never got to play with her yet. but i just want to cast big dumb spells with her and make a ton of goblins lmao. in my head, the plan is to try to untap with her by passing w/ at least two pieces of protection, but i wonder if that's realistic
i do think any list should make use of the fact that the tokens are goblins
w stuff like skirk prospector, [[brightstone ritual]] and [[hobogblin bandit lord]]
timber mesaBOT
Instant
Add 
for each Goblin on the battlefield.
Wizards fought over the stone to exploit its power. Goblins fight over it because it's shiny.
Creature — Goblin Rogue
Other Goblins you control get +1/+1.
, 
: Hobgoblin Bandit Lord deals damage equal to the number of Goblins that entered the battlefield under your control this turn to any target.
In a hobgoblin's view of the world, the weak owe tribute and fealty to the strong.
2/3
frigid tulip
regarding the plot cards, i think only one of them seemed interesting. which sucks cause the mechanic was built for her
actually nvm, the draw spells are lit
static spire
regarding the plot cards, i think only one of them seemed interesting. which suc...
Which ones do you think are good?
frigid tulip
someone else talked about [[pyretic charge]], seems fun for the flexibility
timber mesaBOT
Sorcery
Discard your hand, then draw four cards. For each card discarded this way, creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn.
Plot 
(You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
frigid tulip
idk if im sold on the 2-3 mv draw plot spells, i think id rather just dig through the deck at instant speed than put down the mana to do it later for 2-3 tokens
but none of them seem great
for how id build her at least
what are the most efficient combos with her out?
static spire
what are the most efficient combos with her out?
With Ovika out? Most efficient is probably just “Isochron, Reversal, win”
But I like the ability to cast Battles and immediately flip them… 🤔
grand galleon
[[locust god]]
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Creature — God
Flying
Whenever you draw a card, create a 1/1 blue and red Insect creature token with flying and haste.
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
When The Locust God dies, return it to its owner's hand at the beginning of the next end step.
4/4
grand galleon
With Ovika out? Most efficient is probably just “Isochron, Reversal, win”
if you dont mind me asking, how do you get t2 locust?
static spire
if you dont mind me asking, how do you get t2 locust?
Lots of fast mana usually 😅 You can even do it T1 with Jeweled Lotus, Crypt, and a land.
timber mesaBOT
Artifact
, Sacrifice Jeweled Lotus: Add three mana of any one color. Spend this mana only to cast your commander.
"I've seen my share of baubles, minister. Whatever ostentatious bit of glitter you have there won't convince me to ... Oh my." —Emperor Ayrelion
Artifact
At the beginning of your upkeep, flip a coin. If you lose the flip, Mana Crypt deals 3 damage to you.
: Add 
.
grand galleon
yeah, ill pass for my deck
frigid tulip
buyback is also infinite in ovika with prospector/phyrexian altar
glacial cradle
[[Ovika, Enigma goliath]]
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Nightmare
Flying
Ward—, Pay 3 life.
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create X 1/1 red Phyrexian Goblin creature tokens, where X is the mana value of that spell. They gain haste until end of turn.
6/6
glacial cradle
Buyback doesn't change mana value
static spire
that would be really lucky
There's a lot of ways to do it T2-3 though -- I run like 15 pieces of fast mana, and I generally need two to get Locust God out early
frigid tulip
Buyback doesn't change mana value
oof thanks, seemed too good to be true lol
grand galleon
fast mana is really good then
static spire
I played [[Marchesa, Dealer of Death]] for the first time yesterday
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
Whenever you commit a crime, you may pay 
. If you do, look at the top two cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the other into your graveyard. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
"You should have folded when you had the chance."
3/4
static spire
Didn't go as well as I hoped it would
Deck certainly wasn't bad, it just struggled to close out games 🤔
And it paid its life too fast
sage cloak
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Do you think slapping a torment of hailfire in there can help get the job done?
static spire
Nah, it wouldn't fit well enough
Some kind of looping with Gary might be in the cards though
finite heart
maybe add an archon of cruelty or similarly powerful reanimation target
static spire
I don't think Archon actually closes out games though 🤔
finite heart
well it does in the sense that it does cripple someone and also crimes at the same time
static spire
I don't think it sufficiently cripples one person -- [[Archon of Cruelty]]
finite heart
it doesnt just win on its own, but if you get it in early or mid game it does propell you ahead very much and it does gain you 3 life on etb and attack
timber mesaBOT
static spire
I think it's just a weak card
The only way I really like this card is if it has haste
My meta does not let big stuff like this hang around to attack
finite heart
it does trigger on etb and attack, so thats fine i think, also maybe something like virtue percistence might be worth it, i am looking at it in my version rn as a possible include
jovial tinsel
i suggested [[virtue of persistence]] earlier, i think you should try it
timber mesaBOT
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
Locthwain Scorn 
Sorcery — Adventure
Target creature gets -3/-3 until end of turn. You gain 2 life.
green plover
Sorry to hear Marchesa had a rough first game. Perhaps playing it more will help you master the play patterns
finite heart
What exactly was the problem btw? LIke oyu said it had trouble closing out but that could mean a few things
static spire
Sorry to hear Marchesa had a rough first game. Perhaps playing it more will help...
First few games to be fair 😂 only won 1 of 4, and that was because my opponent was deeply mana screwed. But the deck was close -- I had decent control of the game two of the three losses
static spire
What exactly was the problem btw? LIke oyu said it had trouble closing out but t...
Generated lots of value but only really won through "haha combat I guess???"
the combos were a bit TOO janky to close out that way
static spire
i suggested [[virtue of persistence]] earlier, i think you should try it
I very well might!
This is me poking at rebuilding it -- if you had to add 7 more cards from the sideboard to the mainboard, what would you pick?
static spire
Can anyone help me find five cuts?
jovial tinsel
[[treasure nabber]] [[fire covenant]]
finite heart
This is me poking at rebuilding it -- if you had to add 7 more cards from the si...
Dauthi Voidwalker
Tibalt's Trickery
Tinybones, the Pickpocket
Feed the Swarm
Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer
Goblin Sharpshooter
Mox Amber
I guess
finite heart
Can anyone help me find five cuts?
Treasure Nabber
Reaper from the Abyss
Finale of Eternity
Saw in Half
Fire Covenant
also Meathook Massacre might be actually really good to keep you alive with the amount of killing if life pay is the big problem
vast vale
[[Treasure Nabber]]
timber mesaBOT
static spire
Okay, here's my change-list on Marchesa for now:
ADD:
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Entomb
1 Fire Covenant
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Magmatic Force
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Corpse Dance
1 Gitaxian Probe
1 Finale of Eternity
1 Toxrill, the Corrosive
1 Saw in Half
1 Hoarding Broodlord
1 Urabrask // The Great Work
1 Virtue of Persistence // Locthwain Scorn
CUT:
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Faithless Looting
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Grenzo, Havoc Raiser
1 Treasure Nabber
1 Treasonous Ogre
1 The Abyss
1 Coffin Queen
1 Talisman of Creativity
1 Mari, the Killing Quill
1 Tinybones, the Pickpocket
1 Rakdos, the Muscle
1 Vadmir, New Blood
1 Generous Plunderer
1 Dead Before Sunrise
I'm not 100% happy with this set of swaps -- I really would like to shove Vadmir back in here, at the very least, and it's a real shame to lose Rakdos -- but I think this should begin to patch a few of the weaknesses I've noticed so far.
grand galleon
Okay, here's my change-list on Marchesa for now:
ADD:
> 1 Demonic Tutor
> 1 Gr...
is [[laughing jasper]] good enough for you to touch?
timber mesaBOT
static spire
is [[laughing jasper]] good enough for you to touch?
I was interested in him, but he ended up being somewhat slow. We shall see if he goes back in...
grand galleon
I was interested in him, but he ended up being somewhat slow. We shall see if he...
I may build him, planning on using outlaw synergys and other fun things
zealous ferry
He's so weird that he makes them mercenaries.
grand galleon
i think its fun
static spire
He's so weird that he makes them mercenaries.
He's a really cool idea. If Marchesa doesn't work out, maybe I'll try him instead.
zealous ferry
He is, but he doesn't work with previous mercenary mechanics and that makes me mildly sad.
glacial cradle
Laughing Jasper is pretty awesome tbh
Was dope in limited and seems pretty damn fun to play
It's just kinda, rakdos slam all your outlaws in this deck
grand galleon
Was dope in limited and seems pretty damn fun to play
yeah, I played him in an outlawy crime deck
static spire
It's just kinda, rakdos slam all your outlaws in this deck
My concern with commanders like Jasper is that 1) upkeep triggers are very slow, and 2) you'll sorta just be stealing stuff which isn't often synergistic with your commander 🤔
jovial tinsel
[[evelyn]] uh
timber mesaBOT
static spire
[[evelyn]] uh
what about her?
glacial cradle
Upkeep is slow, but on a 3 drop it doesn't seem that bad to me.
jovial tinsel
what about her?
- you'll sorta just be stealing stuff which isn't often synergistic with your commander 🤔
static spire
> 2) you'll sorta just be stealing stuff which isn't often synergistic with your...
Evelyn is mostly useful to get stuff from my own deck, to be honest
knotty shard
@static spire you have a better pulse on this than me. Is there a way to make Kellan, the Kid that's not just foretell/plot typal?
green plover
He's got a lot of opportunities with various mechanics so he's versatile in that regard. You don't have to do foretell and plot alone.
knotty shard
I'm leaning towards effects like [[chaos wand]]
timber mesaBOT
Artifact
, : Target opponent exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile an instant or sorcery card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put the exiled cards that weren't cast this way on the bottom of that library in a random order.
knotty shard
Casting stuff from my opponent's anything is certainly not my hand 😉
static spire
<@254711002904526848> you have a better pulse on this than me. Is there a way to...
There’s a lot of ways to build him, but the payoff is always gonna be generic value
He triggers off cool stuff but doesn’t necessarily give you cool stuff in return IMO
knotty shard
Yeah plus you could whiff if you had no permanents in hand.
Unless... Your deck had only permanents 🤔
knotty shard
I have to build this as part of a challenge with my friends but I don't want to just build the edhrec.dek average deck
sage cloak
My concern with commanders like Jasper is that 1) upkeep triggers are very slow,...
Having had experience with this now, I have to agree here
Jasper is still too slow for me tbh
Every time I’ve won a game I was thinking “i did not deserve to win this game”
And maybe that’s just how it works but unfortunately I think theft decks will just kinda always be slow
finite heart
I dont think it needs to be slow, something like Rashni+Ragavan can be kinda speedy
sage cloak
I bought the precon for Gonti and will be trying it this upcoming weekend
green plover
And maybe that’s just how it works but unfortunately I think theft decks will ju...
My friends Don Andreas would like to have a word with you.
sage cloak
Theft in this context means the exile-from-the-top kind
But either way, don andres still has that problem
At best you can set up an act of treason + sac outlet kinda thing
zealous ferry
Jasper is *still* too slow for me tbh
What Jasper is is silly with extra upkeeps...
sage cloak
We're talking as a commander
timber mesaBOT
Artifact
, : Copy target triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A triggered ability uses the words "when," "whenever," or "at.")
Its tines cannot be rung by mere physical force. Only magic of great power can start its eldritch resonance.
static spire
Okay so:
Reanimation targets which are definitely staying:
- Cavern Hoard Dragon
- Chainer, Dementia Master
- Gisa, the Hellraiser
- Terror of the Peaks
- Hoarding Broodlord
- Reaper from the Abyss
- Magmatic Force
...but I need more targets than those seven. So then we get to the next tier down, of which I need to pick about 6?
Reanimation targets on the 'less-good' list:
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel (I lose life FAST and Gary loops are a wincon)
- Sheoldred (always 3-for-1s and her back side is backbreaking and a crime)
- Vein Ripper (life gain, repeatable crime albeit I don't always control the timing, and flying beater)
- Toxrill the Corrosive (not a crime but such brutal creature control that maybe he's worth it for that alone)
- Archon of Cruelty (edict per turn which also does crimes and gains a bit of card advantage / life)
- Vilis, Broker of Blood (harness life loss and commits crimes, though he draws so much alone that crime focus is less critical)
- Archpriest of Shadows (reanimate other stuff, give deathtouch to stuff like Terror or Mayhem Devil, can be a crime)
- Balor (disrupts three players at once)
- Goldspan Dragon (deck is mana hungry)
- Rakdos the Muscle (sac outlet, sorta, and commits crimes when needed)
- Ancient Brass Dragon (amazing card which commits crimes AND reanimates more stuff, BUT only has effect on combat damage)
- Overseer of the Damned (makes an army I guess?)
- Tyrant's Familiar (innate haste and murders something on attack, BUT requires commander in play)
- Kaervek the Merciless (brutal if he sticks but often dies to cheap removal early)
- Cavalier of Night (crime and reanimation I guess?)
- Razaketh the Foulblooded (will nearly always just win but is boring)
So I need your help picking six from that second long list. I've listed out the pros/cons for each, and bolded the current six I'm running (but I could swap for a different option, and I'm intrigued if I missed anything big from my list).
This is for Marchesa, if anyone can help!
Long story short, I want help figuring out if I could 1-for-1 swap any of my current reanimation targets for better things on that list, OR cut a reanimation target altogether to add something else like ramp
finite heart
i assume you wanna stay away from good stuffy answers? cause Apocalypse is a good target too
but seriously was reaper that good in testing? cause it looks like the most "i only do stuff when you are already advantaged" card i have ever seen
zealous ferry
Balor is also a crime. Not just disruption.
thin kayak
Balor is also a crime. Not just disruption.
People certainly accused me of committing crime with Balor
zealous ferry
[[Balor]]
timber mesaBOT
static spire
i assume you wanna stay away from good stuffy answers? cause Apocalypse is a goo...
What do you mean?
static spire
but seriously was reaper that good in testing? cause it looks like the most "i o...
Reaper is beyond absurd, yes
finite heart
What do you mean?
Sheoldred the Apocalypse
static spire
Sheoldred the Apocalypse
Why would I want her in this deck? I don't think she's a super good card in commander, honestly 😅
And she doesn't synergize with anything this deck is doing
Beyond a general sense of life gain, but Gary does that better since I can reanimate him for immediate life swings and/or loop him to kill people
finite heart
She is really good at fueling your HP back up and does rather well as both removal magnet and punishing enemies advantage engines and you complained about paying life down to fast
static spire
Balor is also a crime. Not just disruption.
Do you think Balor is good though? 🤔
(I do like the pseudo-theme of all my reanimation targets having flying, since it helps close out games lol)
zealous ferry
I think it being disruption plus crimes and a flyer adds a lot.
Draw punishment like sheoldred goes well with it but isn't essential?
zealous ferry
I think Balor vs Toxril is a decision
Just because the vibes are that different. Balor does a lot but you can pick who it goes to
Toxril is "every opponent without option to not"
thin kayak
Toxrill is also a massive lightning rod whereas balor can be a political tool
Depends on if you want lightning rods to bait peoples removal
cursive wren
finite heart
ah i see why
Do people actually allow you to use doubling season?
like i get it scales exponentially if copied but does that actually happen
my first instinct looking at this would be to cut the 4 activated ability artifacts with your artifact hate
obviously 3 of them are powerful fast mana, but greeves could often be very dead and there are other haste enablers if you need that
Leyline of Immersion also seems like a possible cut, but that might play better then it reads to me
Crop Rotation is there to get the Serra Sanctum?
zealous ferry
I have an argument for one card that I know is mechanically the wrong choice but it's restricted based on printings
Magus of the Candelabra
frail quarry
Can anyone help me find one cut here? 🤔
is this cut for [redacted]?
finite heart
she added [[Pearled Unicorn]] right before so thats a pretty confirmed yes
timber mesaBOT
frail quarry
Gotcha!
static spire
she added [[Pearled Unicorn]] right before so thats a pretty confirmed yes
Caught me haha
frail quarry
Caught me haha
Okay that’s what I thought aha
zealous ferry
I figured we didn't want to accidentally make the subtext text and ask.
static spire
I figured we didn't want to accidentally make the subtext text and ask.
This server doesn't like leaks but I certainly do
I decided to cut [[Defense of the Heart]] for now
timber mesaBOT
static spire
It's sorta anticlimactic -- usually fetches Light-Paws and Eidolon of Blossoms and storms off
...of course that also means that I just cut one of the expensive enchantments that She Who Shall Not Be Named is meant to reduce, but oh well 😂
zealous ferry
wtb a new art for Magus of the Candelabra
frail quarry
wtb a new art for Magus of the Candelabra
GOD I wish we had new art
static spire
wtb a new art for Magus of the Candelabra
Someday we'll get one 😭 but in the mean time, I'm still playing it
frail quarry
(Or was there another leak?)
static spire
(Or was there another leak?)
The only Yenna-relevant leak has been a certain Kamigawan fox
sage cloak
Holy F U C K
knotty shard
(Or was there another leak?)
there was one just now, but it was green cards
sage cloak
That card is busted
knotty shard
all related to a card that rhymes with "-goyf"
sage cloak
Anyway, yeah
static spire
Yeah, the Light-Paws discord is buzzing about the new fox
(let's delete this, since we don't want to talk about ANY of its mechanics here)
sage cloak
all related to a card that rhymes with "-goyf"
I’m actually really hype about that one
Such a cool design
knotty shard
which one
sage cloak
(let's delete this, since we don't want to talk about ANY of its mechanics here)
Oh okie
knotty shard
Im trying to figure out if I want to buy any precons. I certainly dont NEED more decks
I have a buddy that can get cases almost at cost, we sometimes get a case if we can split the decks between four of us.
static spire
I'm currently messing with one of the leaked commanders, but I can't talk about it here
knotty shard
i sorta am interested in energy, but not really in jeskai
so waiting to see if there is a temur energy legendary in the main set
sage cloak
I think I need to just wait for the jund one to be fully spoiled before trying to brew with it
The current support for it is… not good
knotty shard
I am excited Disa gets a card. I liked her in the books
sage cloak
(I think it’s disa anyway. Is that confirmed?)
frail quarry
(I think it’s disa anyway. Is that confirmed?)
Yes
knotty shard
It's in the amazon description for the deck so it's not even a leak
sage cloak
I hadn’t looked at that lol, just reading the leaks
Since the pictures were taken on a gameboy camera it was hard to tell
frail quarry
I hadn’t looked at that lol, just reading the leaks
some of the leaks seem fake as hell, considering they've gone through the effort of hiding set symbols
zealous ferry
Yeah, there are one or two that feel like that.
zealous ferry
@static spire where did you fall on new Marchesa in the end?
static spire
<@254711002904526848> where did you fall on new Marchesa in the end?
I have her put together, she’s fun (but folds pretty hard to GY hate)
zealous ferry
I've been trying her on arena and was wondering.
zealous ferry
I'm not cutting colors there but activating hireling for 0 to get removal was an interesting play pattern.
Or being able to activate [[Molten echoes]] because you chose to discard a land instead
timber mesaBOT
finite heart
Spellskite is the mvp its stupid that it can always activate
static spire
I'm not cutting colors there but activating hireling for 0 to get removal was an...
There's a lot of interesting lines in the deck for sure!
I can't speak to Arena but I've enjoyed the deck's twisty lines overall
zealous ferry
She's playing like a commander though where I can't tell if it will scale to a full pod or not
static spire
Hey, anyone want to help me make some cuts in PM? Warning: leaks
sage cloak
Hey, anyone want to help me make some cuts in PM? Warning: leaks
Sure! I think I saw the deck you’re working on on your moxfield already lol
static spire
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/q2K8MdbkDE236acbgePlqg
Hey, could I get help finishing this list? What cards from the sideboard would you pick to fill in the remaining slots? Am I missing anything good?
Sort the deck by tags to get a sense for what I'm trying to do here!
The blue cards are, uh, leaked stuff from MH3 😂
zealous ferry
I'd lean into the legendaries
With the steampunk monkey and the small rattly child
static spire
With the steampunk monkey and the small rattly child
Thanks for those thoughts! Anything else pop out as obviously good?
zealous ferry
Flare
static spire
Primary combo lines are laid out in the tags, but listed out here:
- Breach lines
- Chthonian Nightmare lines
- Chain of Smog + [REDACTED]
- Bolas's Citadel lines
- Waste Not loops with Kroxa reanimation
- Hoarding Broodlord lines
finite heart
Which of the 2 flare are you considering? red or black?
static spire
Which of the 2 flare are you considering? red or black?
Black
I'll just PM you the list of leaked cards
finite heart
flare
zealous ferry
What were your thoughts on [[Inti, seneschal]] here?
timber mesaBOT
sage cloak
I'll just PM you the list of leaked cards
Damn the black one got leaked too?
finite heart
Dauthi Void
finite heart
Damn the black one got leaked too?
all of them have
finite heart
honestly not in the side but Meathook Massacre
static spire
honestly not in the side but Meathook Massacre
I've added it to the sideboard!
static spire
Damn the black one got leaked too?
Do you want me to send you the leaked cards I'm adding here, to look over the deck?
finite heart
Deluge i also would include
sage cloak
Do you want me to send you the leaked cards I'm adding here, to look over the de...
Sure! If you’ve got a place to see a comprehensive list of leaks I’d appreciate that too
finite heart
As a discard deck i feel like you want atleast 4 or so wipes
zealous ferry
So, the one question I have is, yes, necropotence is an amazing card but how is it gotten rid of here in order to actually discard things safely.
finite heart
Goryo's Vengeance also feels like a really neat spell, cause Kroxa is just gonna die before Goryo exiles it anyway
static spire
So, the one question I have is, yes, necropotence is an amazing card but how is ...
I find the upside to be worth the cost -- keeping my hand at 7 is worth the cost of "can't discard my own stuff", especially since it combos with Citadel
zealous ferry
You can see why I'm asking though
static spire
You can see why I'm asking though
oh, for sure
finite heart
Your draw engine looks kinda low
static spire
Your draw engine looks kinda low
What big ones am I missing?
finite heart
its more that you dont have that many
you have like 8-10 max
tutors and recoursion are good, but they arent really draw power
I really like [[Ransack the Lab]]
timber mesaBOT
static spire
its more that you dont have that many
Sure, but which ones am I missing / would you add from the sideboard?
zealous ferry
[[pitiless carnage]]
timber mesaBOT
Sorcery
Sacrifice any number of permanents you control, then draw that many cards.
Plot (You may pay and exile this card from your hand. Cast it as a sorcery on a later turn without paying its mana cost. Plot only as a sorcery.)
Akul saw his Hellspur followers as little more than ammunition to be expended.
finite heart
i would honestly just play the trifecta (Ransack the Lab, Night's Whisper and Sign in Blood) of 2 mana black spells (or maybe faithless looting)
zealous ferry
The main reason I say carnage is I like the idea of the play pattern of plotting it, tap for mana and then sacrifice lands to play Kroxa.
static spire
@wispy solstice you wanted to compare discard lists?
wispy solstice
Discard vs discard, sounds fun
static spire
Discard vs discard, sounds fun
How do you feel about leaks?
wispy solstice
How do you feel about leaks?
True until proven false
sage cloak
Ah homie you’re going to love the internet
wispy solstice
I just put them in so I don’t forget about them and then take them out if they end up being Falls
False*
static spire
So @wispy solstice , from the cards in the sideboard here, which would you prioritize adding?
wispy solstice
Would you mind reposting the list? It’s a long way up and down.
zealous ferry
The blue cards are leak stand-ins
wispy solstice
I see Thankyou
static spire
I see Thankyou
I sent you the "translation" for those
static spire
And how do we win with this deck?
It's a graveyard combo deck
Hold on, I posted the set of combos above
wispy solstice
What’s the discard for If you win with grave combo?
static spire
Primary infinite combo lines are laid out in the tags, but also listed out here:
- Underworld Breach lines
- Chthonian Nightmare lines
- Chain of Smog + [REDACTED]
- Bolas's Citadel lines (digging into one of the three combos above)
- Hoarding Broodlord lines (into the three combos above)
- Waste Not loops with Kroxa reanimation
And then beatdown if that fails, since Kroxa is a 6/6 and drains for 3 on attacks.
static spire
What’s the discard for If you win with grave combo?
Preventing my opponents from disrupting me and/or using their own combos
Plus it helps with Plan B: Kroxa Beatdown
Especially since there's a LOT of stax decks in my meta
So I can't always combo off, sometimes I have to do the beatdown
wispy solstice
In this kind of build I would personally take out one or two forced discard and replace them with board wipe removal
Normally for me when this kind of thing happens, people always end up with a board anyway even if it’s slower, and you can’t force discard on a board. So I would just wait for the actual board and then blow it up, combining off after that using all your fun recursion
static spire
I definitely want to add some board wipes, yeah
Am I missing any good ones you can see? I've got several board wipes in the sideboard
What from the sideboard looks most good to add, to patch the holes you see in the strategy?
I've still got 9 slots I can fill
wispy solstice
My favorite board wipe in these colors is nightmare unmaking, which I put in my deck, but you’d have to pick the right mode to not hit your pieces you want
zealous ferry
Probably with [[divine visitation]]
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static spire
What can we do beyond the obvious blink?
zealous ferry
But, artifact looping works here
green plover
You could also go into a weenie army with things like [[Delney, Streetwise Lookout]]
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zealous ferry
like a LED loop
green plover
Since the Commander and the Tokens are all power 2 or less.
zealous ferry
The problem is it's capped at 3
Also I don't want to do any of the mechanics based around any of those types because a lot of them involve sacrificing them
And emotionally I don't want to be sacrificing Tamiyo's children!
green plover
If only we could use [[Claire D'Loon]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Performer
When Claire D'Loon, Joy Sculptor enters the battlefield, for the rest of the game, tokens you own become cards that are still tokens. (They continue to exist after they leave the battlefield.)
, : You may put a token from your graveyard or hand onto the battlefield.
She'll sculpt goblins, saprolings, Marit Lage . . . though that one takes a lot of balloons.
2/3
zealous ferry
Obviously odric for keyword sharing
green plover
[[Fifth Doctor]] maybe some potential with it for the +1/+1 Counters synergy?
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zealous ferry
[[danny pink]]
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static spire
My brain tossed out [[Invasion of Segovia]] and the other battles of course
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Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Segovia enters the battlefield, create two 1/1 blue Kraken creature tokens with trample.
Defense: 4
Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Noncreature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your end step, untap up to four target creatures.
3/3
static spire
[[Saltskitter]] seems sweet here 🤔
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zealous ferry
That's only once per turn but yeah
As other people have pointed out it works with the moonfolk land ability.
static spire
yep
zealous ferry
So the [[tameshi, reality]] or [[oboro breezecallers]] could be interesting.
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Legendary Creature — Moonfolk Wizard
Whenever one or more noncreature permanents are returned to hand, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Return target artifact or enchantment card with mana value X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
2/3
Creature — Moonfolk Wizard
Flying
, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Untap target land.
"I feel their unnatural influence in the weary, weeping land. Do they care nothing for the creatures who walk below their clouds?" —Eight-and-a-Half-Tails
1/1
jovial tinsel
[[oboro clouds]]
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Legendary Land
: Add .
: Return Oboro, Palace in the Clouds to its owner's hand.
Here the soratami wove their endless plots—graceful, artful, and deceitful, while the unwitting world moved below.
static spire
So the [[tameshi, reality]] or [[oboro breezecallers]] could be interesting.
Returning land always feels like a diminishing returns sort of thing
Unless I'm gonna sacrifice the tokens for mana
and I don't think I'm willing to put children on Ashnod's Altar
zealous ferry
What this card has taught me though is I definitely feel worse about the idea of sacrificing fictional children than I do about fictional pets (which also felt bad as a thought)
Just... no
static spire
"it's okay to sacrifice our children to phyrexia, husband, we'll make more!"
Phyrexian Tamiyo be like
jovial tinsel
she wouldn’t have considered it a sacrifice, more as salvation and ascension
static spire
"now hop on the altar, children! your lives were meaningless, but your deaths will glorify phyrexia"
jokes aside, I... I don't think I can do an aristocrats build around Tamiyo's children 😭
the Spike is willing but the Vorthos is weak
zealous ferry
That's why divine visitation
Then they can at least be angels and I could do the [[bishop of wings]] combo
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zealous ferry
Bishop of wings, divine visitation and [[altar of dementia]]
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zealous ferry
Mill yourself out
static spire
What can we do with tokens beyond sacrifice them? Various convoke including [[Invasion of Segovia]] perhaps
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Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of Segovia enters the battlefield, create two 1/1 blue Kraken creature tokens with trample.
Defense: 4
Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Noncreature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your end step, untap up to four target creatures.
3/3
static spire
[[Cathars' Crusade]] etc
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zealous ferry
[[ojer tak]]
static spire
We can tap them with [[Opposition]] and use them for [[Junk Winder]] natch
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Creature — Serpent
Affinity for tokens (This spell costs less to cast for each token you control.)
Whenever a token enters the battlefield under your control, tap target nonland permanent an opponent controls. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
5/6
zealous ferry
[[ojer taq]]
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zealous ferry
...
you know the one
the god who triples creature tokens
Obviously it plays into token->draw a card strategies
Bennie, Ephara, etc.
static spire
[[invasion of new phyrexia]] too
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Battle — Siege
(As a Siege enters, choose an opponent to protect it. You and others can attack it. When it's defeated, exile it, then cast it transformed.)
When Invasion of New Phyrexia enters the battlefield, create X 2/2 white and blue Knight creature tokens with vigilance.
Defense: 6
Teferi Akosa of Zhalfir
Legendary Planeswalker — Teferi
+1: Draw two cards. Then discard two cards unless you discard a creature card.
−2: You get an emblem with "Knights you control get +1/+0 and have ward ."
−3: Tap any number of untapped creatures you control. When you do, shuffle target nonland permanent an opponent controls with mana value X or less into its owner's library, where X is the number of creatures tapped this way.
Loyalty: 4
zealous ferry
Oh [[halo fountain]]
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Artifact
, , Untap a tapped creature you control: Create a 1/1 green and white Citizen creature token.
, , Untap two tapped creatures you control: Draw a card.
, , Untap fifteen tapped creatures you control: You win the game.
static spire
[[sky hussar]]
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zealous ferry
[[Raff|dmu]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may tap two untapped creatures you control. If you do, draw a card.
: Creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain vigilance until end of turn.
"This old ship has seen a lot, but she's not done yet."
1/3
static spire
Interesting 🤔
zealous ferry
It does make him more Gendo Ikari in that.
static spire
It does make him more Gendo Ikari in that.
if I did make a vehicle build, it would definitely be called "get in the f-ing robot shinji"
zealous ferry
If you do both vehicles and mounts [[fortune|otj]] at least would take care of one of the flickers (if genku or something else helps saddle)
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raw flint
Bounce your stuff for something and get tokens for it?
zealous ferry
If you go convoke, [[mistmeadow vanisher]] is worth keeping in mind for either version
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static spire
[[Arna Kenner]]
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zealous ferry
Tawnos is fun here
Apparently modified is going to be a theme in the set
[[Herald of hoofbeats]]?
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zealous ferry
No [[bloodforged battle axe]]?
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, create a token that's a copy of Bloodforged Battle-Axe.
Equip
Spilled blood always begets more of the same.
static spire
No [[bloodforged battle axe]]?
It felt sorta excessive? And my biggest problem with this card is that I almost never want to pay 2 to equip the new battle-axe, so unless I have Puresteel or Sigarda's Aid, I find that the tokens sorta just sit around
zealous ferry
I'm curious what we're going to see along the modified line
zealous ferry
Saw message about coming here
zealous ferry
But [[Kjeldoran Javelineer]] is an example of what I was talking about
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Creature — Human Soldier
Cumulative upkeep (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
: Kjeldoran Javelineer deals damage equal to the number of age counters on it to target attacking or blocking creature.
1/2
raw flint
Yeah age counters is the main thing of that period
Tho, Arna doubling those would be… less than helpful usually
zealous ferry
[[gideon of blackblade]] is the least controversial addition I think though
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deft crypt
Well with Amass you have the simple fact of increasing the +1/1 counters on the creature was my first thought to make a large creature
But with the colors sacing them could prove extremely beneficial too 
raw flint
Bestow and Living weapons are my favorite thoughts for Arna but I’m loving the various options
zealous ferry
[[gideon of the trials]] [[gideon, ally of zendikar]][[gideon champion of justice]]
zealous ferry
[[kytheon]]
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deft crypt
She could actually work as a commander for a zombie deck in a weird way
zealous ferry
[[kytheon, hero of akros]] is a maybe
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
At end of combat, if Kytheon, Hero of Akros and at least two other creatures attacked this combat, exile Kytheon, then return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
: Kytheon gains indestructible until end of turn.
2/1
Gideon, Battle-Forged
Legendary Planeswalker — Gideon
+2: Up to one target creature an opponent controls attacks Gideon, Battle-Forged during its controller's next turn if able.
+1: Until your next turn, target creature gains indestructible. Untap that creature.
0: Until end of turn, Gideon, Battle-Forged becomes a 4/4 Human Soldier creature with indestructible that's still a planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to him this turn.
Loyalty: 3
zealous ferry
She could actually work as a commander for a zombie deck in a weird way
I could see that
Knights too
[[danitha, benalia's hope]] is part of why
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deft crypt
I'm half awake but just looking back at the fallout sets [[Hancock]] and [[Feral Ghoul]] gets really strong from doubling counters
zealous ferry
@static spire thoughts on those Gideons?
deft crypt
Hmm what if you ran [[Daxos the returned]] and/or [[Minthara, Merciless soul]]
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Soldier
Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, you get an experience counter.
: Create a white and black Spirit enchantment creature token. It has "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of experience counters you have."
2/2
Legendary Creature — Elf Cleric
Ward , where X is the number of experience counters you have.
At the beginning of your end step, if a permanent you controlled left the battlefield this turn, you get an experience counter.
Creatures you control get +1/+0 for each experience counter you have.
2/2
zealous ferry
For the aura version certainly though! I think it also would want [[pearl-ear]]
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Legendary Creature — Fox Advisor
Lifelink
Enchantment spells you cast have affinity for Auras. (They cost less to cast for each Aura you control.)
Whenever you cast an Aura spell that targets a modified permanent you control, draw a card. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
3/4
zealous ferry
That's true that it's on a player but it's still useful
especially with the number of on-hit proliferates
deft crypt
True, and it's blue so proliferate is fairly easy to come by
Also with white you have spirits
zealous ferry
you're probably running [[hallowed haunting]] with that version
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deft crypt
That's the one I couldn't remember the name of 
zealous ferry
Funny thought. Have effect that makes enchantments creatures -> be able to actually have 5 counters on [[obscura ascendancy]]
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static spire
<@254711002904526848> thoughts on those Gideons?
My concern is that most don’t have an ult which I want to spend all those doubled counters on…
static spire
For the aura version certainly though! I think it also would want [[pearl-ear]]
And Light-Paws yeah
zealous ferry
Champion of Justice has the benefit that when he activates he's at least HUGE.
Because his P/T= the number of loyalty counters
deft crypt
This Arna is looking interesting with enchantments now
static spire
Because his P/T= the number of loyalty counters
Is it a CDA or checked one time? It seems ambiguous to me
I’ve gotta run for now but will be back
Now, to figure out how to PROTECT Arna…
zealous ferry
"Gideon, Champion of Justice’s power and toughness are set to the number of loyalty counters on him when his second ability resolves. They won’t change later in the turn if the number of loyalty counters on him changes."
static spire
Pity
zealous ferry
So it's on activation, but it doubles each attack.
I'm actually really interested in trying Liliana's with Arna
Because of the reanimation related stuff in Esper, the symmetrical discard isn't as big of a downside
raw flint
Now, to figure out how to PROTECT Arna…
Would it be mean to say run discard so people can’t pay the ward?
Tho you did say you’re cropping out the black iirc
deft crypt
Speaking of burning enchantments into creatures, if you can modify them [[Answered Prayers]]
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static spire
Would it be mean to say run discard so people can’t pay the ward?
Nah I’m totally down for that, IF I can find cards worth running outside black (since I’m not on any black in my list)
[[Specter’s Shroud]] and SoFaF seem good admittedly
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery. This card enters the battlefield unattached and stays on the battlefield if the creature leaves.)
zealous ferry
Would it be mean to say run discard so people can’t pay the ward?
Another reason for ones like [[liliana of the veil]] or [[kaya, ghost assassin]]
raw flint
Multiple specters shrouds is very choice
raw flint
Another reason for ones like [[liliana of the veil]] or [[kaya, ghost assassin]]
👌
If I build Arna I’ll not be able to resist running some discard for the protection synergy
You could build her as modified specters kindred… 🤔
zealous ferry
[[reality smasher]] could be good in arna
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Creature — Eldrazi
( represents colorless mana.)
Trample, haste
Whenever Reality Smasher becomes the target of a spell an opponent controls, counter that spell unless its controller discards a card.
As easy to stop as it is to comprehend.
5/5
raw flint
Good thought
deft crypt
I found something I don't know how I feel about or if I can even get them to work
zealous ferry
[[sword of feast and Famine]] feels absurd in Arna
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from black and from green.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, that player discards a card and you untap all lands you control.
Equip
deft crypt
The opal series of cards from Urzas Saga
zealous ferry
If you pair Arna with say a Narset draw block effect you can use symmetrical loot effects in Azorius
deft crypt
If you can get around to modifying them and having them be modifiers I'm too tired for this
static spire
Ok so you're color cropping to azorius
Indeed! Feel free to discuss other stuff here tho since the rest of you included black
zealous ferry
Like [[lore broker]]
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Creature — Human Rogue
: Each player draws a card, then discards a card.
Lies are sold as often as truths—and used just as effectively.
1/2
zealous ferry
or [[geier reach sanitarium]]
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Legendary Land
: Add .
, : Each player draws a card, then discards a card.
All are welcome.
zealous ferry
Which will empty their hands faster.
raw flint
The temptation to go full megrim/rack shenanigans…
The call of discard is so hard for me to resist I swear
zealous ferry
[[jace's archivist]] :p
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Creature — Vedalken Wizard
, : Each player discards their hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way.
"This is a sacred duty. Master Beleren's trust has bought an eternity of my loyalty."
2/2
static spire
[[sword of feast and Famine]] feels absurd in Arna
In theory I wanted to skip any equipment I was already running in Avacyn to make the decks different but that’s fair. Might be too good to skip!
zealous ferry
For one thing if you have multiples you can float the mana between untaps for a massive x draw before the end of combat
@deft crypt just thought about this. If you're going zombies, [[ratadrabik of urborg]]
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
Vigilance, ward
Other Zombies you control have vigilance.
Whenever another legendary creature you control dies, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's not legendary and it's a 2/2 black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
3/3
zealous ferry
Gets you nonlegendary copies of arna if she dies among other things.
deft crypt
Don't know what I'm thinking of yet finding things that make me giggle
[[Pact weapon]]
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static spire
Oh hey, [[Oswalf Fiddlebender]] to turn a Sword into a Roaming Throne
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Legendary Creature — Gnome Artificer
Magical Tinkering — , , Sacrifice an artifact: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value equal to 1 plus the sacrificed artifact's mana value, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Can't see this airship crashing in the near future. Sturdy as a rock."
2/2
static spire
A sword token I mean
Or turn a token [[Trickster’s Talisman]] into Psychic Paper and start cloning
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Artifact — Equipment
Invoke Duplicity — Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice Trickster's Talisman. If you do, create a token that's a copy of this creature."
Equip
"Lady Luck, smile on me!"
static spire
New problem though — if I’ve got all this cloning stuff, I need nonlegendary creatures to clone
deft crypt
I had a thought, which has kinda changed my direction again
finite heart
or just take all the "legend rule doesnt apply" effets
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raw flint
Divinity counters you say?
deft crypt
Ohh that's nice
raw flint
The Myojin are admittedly on the pricey side but getting multiple uses of their big moves is fun
Oh Arna can also do oil counter nonsense with stuff like [[Archfiend dross]]
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deft crypt
More technical that what I was thinking, just using [[Cranial Plating]] and running [[Myrel, shield of Argive]] to make creatures have a lot of power
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 for each artifact you control.
: Attach Cranial Plating to target creature you control.
Equip
raw flint
#official-previews message
🤭
static spire
[[Myojin night reach]]
oh, ew lol
raw flint
Arna can be gross with this
zealous ferry
static spire
here's a question for y'all
what are the best (ideally nonlegendary) creatures to support an equipment and counter strategy?
I need things to clone lol
static spire
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/yRI69Ba3ME2dBf61a868sQ
My density of legendary creatures is concerningly high, when I'm running the various [[Blade of Shared Souls]] / [[Trickster's Talisman]] lol
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Artifact — Equipment
For Mirrodin! (When this Equipment enters the battlefield, create a 2/2 red Rebel creature token, then attach this to it.)
Whenever Blade of Shared Souls becomes attached to a creature, for as long as Blade of Shared Souls remains attached to it, you may have that creature become a copy of another target creature you control.
Equip
Artifact — Equipment
Invoke Duplicity — Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice Trickster's Talisman. If you do, create a token that's a copy of this creature."
Equip
"Lady Luck, smile on me!"
zealous ferry
[[brotherhood outcast]]
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zealous ferry
even if it doesn't return something it can put a counter on something
[[armored skyhunter]]
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zealous ferry
[[magnetic snuffler]]
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static spire
even if it doesn't return something it can put a counter on something
true! Shield counters do seem good here 🤔
zealous ferry
Oh [[armory automaton]]
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static spire
I need some stuff with strong evasion to punch through with equipment, as well
[[Oltec Matterweaver]]
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zealous ferry
You can make copies of opponents' equipment with the automaton
Arna just cares about it being attached to the creature
Not whether you own it
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2, has haste, can't attack you or planeswalkers you control, and can't be sacrificed.
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, you may have that player gain control of equipped creature until end of turn. If you do, untap it.
Equip
zealous ferry
so if you go auras, [[Bruna, light of alabaster]] is right for Arna
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static spire
What are the best creatures which want to double their own counters? Hmmm
zealous ferry
[[azor's elocutors]]
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static spire
lol
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Artifact Creature — Myr Knight
: Adapt 1. (If this creature has no +1/+1 counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on Knighted Myr, it gains double strike until end of turn.
"This one fights like a leonin!" —Jor Kadeen
2/2
raw flint
what are the best (ideally nonlegendary) creatures to support an equipment and c...
White kor come to mind immediately, with cards like [[stone haven outfitter]] , Mystic, and [[Kor Blademaster]] if you ended up with a warrior subtheme
zealous ferry
[[arcade gannon]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Doctor
: Draw a card, then discard a card. Put a quest counter on Arcade Gannon.
For Auld Lang Syne — Once during each of your turns, you may cast an artifact or Human spell from your graveyard with mana value less than or equal to the number of quest counters on Arcade Gannon.
2/3
zealous ferry
[[constable of the realm]]
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zealous ferry
Huh... [[denry klin]]
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zealous ferry
[[intrepid adversary]]
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Creature — Human Scout
Lifelink
When Intrepid Adversary enters the battlefield, you may pay any number of times. When you pay this cost one or more times, put that many valor counters on Intrepid Adversary.
Creatures you control get +1/+1 for each valor counter on Intrepid Adversary.
3/1
zealous ferry
controversial: new ulamog
raw flint
Oh oh, you just made me realize Mxhale! This could finally be a good deck for [[Overseer 76]]
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static spire
huh!
zealous ferry
Ooh... I know this is for enchantment Arna but, if you use the opalescence it lets you double the fading counters on [[parallax wave]]
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raw flint
I’ve been trying to find a good place for her and this just might be it
static spire
Ooh... I know this is for enchantment Arna but, if you use the opalescence it le...
how? it doesn't attack
zealous ferry
[[opalescence]]
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zealous ferry
Or [[starfield of nyx]]
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zealous ferry
So yeah, would also work with [[parallax tide]]
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raw flint
Nvm, all the fading creatures in these colors are bad anyway
lol, other than maybe [[jolting merfolk]]
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zealous ferry
eww, I forgot about [[parallax nexus]]
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zealous ferry
I use the wave combo with opalescence in my lagrella deck
Because you can just keep exiling stuff under wave, exile itself and then it returns everything it exiled and itself to the battlefield, etc.
raw flint
Arna + Overseer 76 + small creatures with good modifications = very exciting to me rn
static spire
[[intrepid adversary]]
oooooooo 😍
static spire
https://scryfall.com/card/moc/179/constable-of-the-realm
I'm so sad this says "one or more" tbh
zealous ferry
Yeah
But
It still does silly amounts of work with a cathar's crusade.
[[filigree vector]]
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Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Construct
When Filigree Vector enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on each of any number of target creatures and a charge counter on each of any number of target artifacts.
, , Sacrifice another artifact: Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
1/1
static spire
https://scryfall.com/card/pip/92/arcade-gannon
I forgot about this fellow lol
static spire
https://scryfall.com/card/moc/15/filigree-vector
That seems good yeah!
static spire
https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/37/stone-haven-outfitter
This fellow definitely seems good!
zealous ferry
I'm going to admit, part of me thought about do I want to try to hit people with [[darksteel reactor]] when thinking about arna
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static spire
I'm going to admit, part of me thought about do I want to try to hit people with...
LOL
or [[Millenium Calendar]]
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Legendary Artifact
Whenever you untap one or more permanents during your untap step, put that many time counters on The Millennium Calendar.
, : Double the number of time counters on The Millennium Calendar.
When there are 1,000 or more time counters on The Millennium Calendar, sacrifice it and each opponent loses 1,000 life.
zealous ferry
There are a lot of ways to animate artifacts with or without counters
[[sage of hours]]
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zealous ferry
But like [[kenku artificer]]
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Sorcery
Target noncreature artifact you control becomes a 0/0 artifact creature. Put four +1/+1 counters on each artifact that became a creature this way.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
zealous ferry
😆 clockwork creatures https://scryfall.com/search?q=clockwork+commander%3Aesper+o%3Aremove
raw flint
This fellow definitely seems good!
Yeah definitely seems spicy
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zealous ferry
Yep
raw flint
[[kor spiritdancer]]
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static spire
[[smelting vat]] could be neat
timber mesaBOT
Artifact
, , Sacrifice another artifact: Reveal the top eight cards of your library. Put up to two noncreature artifact cards with total mana value less than or equal to the sacrificed artifact's mana value from among them onto the battlefield and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
static spire
[[echoes of eternity]] is nearly worth it for Sword triggers
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static spire
Reminder to self, gotta find room for Soultrader + Chatterfang in Hapatra
static spire
laughs nervously [[Nanogene Conversion]] in Arna
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zealous ferry
That's one of my main wincons in the Celestial Toymaker
static spire
[[the celestial toymaker]]
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static spire
Eww
zealous ferry
Yeah
It works
I attacked a person with 4 of them with 6 total copies on the field.
static spire
Preliminary set of cuts:
Avacyn (5):
- ADD Powerbalance, Phelia Enthusiastic Shepherd, Flare of Fortitude, Witch Enchanter, Scroll Rack
- CUT City of Brass, Dauntless Dismantler, Aggravated Assault, Surge of Salvation, Lotus Ring
Yenna (2):
- ADD Pearl-Ear Imperial Advisor, Strength of the Harvest
- CUT Defense of the Heart, Ancestral Mask
Teysa (4):
- ADD Spymaster's Vault, Warren Soultrader, Sorin of House Markov, Chthonian Nightmare
- CUT Volrath's Stronghold, Sorin Lord of Innistrad, Illicit Masquerade, Charismatic Conqueror
Marchesa (3)
- ADD Spymaster's Vault, Chthonian Nightmare, Grim Servant
- CUT Mana Confluence, Corpse Dance, Vilis Broker of Blood
static spire
I need help finding five cuts, anyone around? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/yRI69Ba3ME2dBf61a868sQ
barren elm
I'd cut Curiosity. Not only is it an aura, but it's the worst of the three Curiosity effects you have.
Alternatively, I don't see Mister Gutsy doing a ton. It doesn't work on copying the equipment and auras, only on casting.
Sure, you get to double its counters, but it's not going to get a ton of counters in the first place.
Also, I notice you don't have Swiftfoot Boots. It's probably pretty good once you've made some copies of it.
Prying Blade can probably go in favor of Gold Pan.
static spire
Also, I notice you don't have Swiftfoot Boots. It's probably pretty good once yo...
the deck has such a ludicrous amount of Ward running around that I didn't feel like Swifties were necessary?
barren elm
the deck has such a *ludicrous* amount of Ward running around that I didn't feel...
Fair enough.
zealous ferry
Sorry, typing in dark. I sort of agree on the gutsy just because of the cast trigger not happening
Wouldn't [[curious inquiry]] be better than curiosity here because it creates a clue?
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, investigate." (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Each time he replayed the attack in his mind, new details emerged.
barren elm
You do get the P/T buff, but then you have to pay for the draw. That's almost always going to be worse unless it's a deck that cares about clues, or making tokens in general.
zealous ferry
I feel like there's a clue in the matterweaver
barren elm
Speaking of commanders that want it, [[marneus calgar]] is a fantastic addition.
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Creature — Astartes Warrior
Double strike
Master Tactician — Whenever one or more tokens enter the battlefield under your control, draw a card.
Chapter Master — 
: Create two 2/2 white Astartes Warrior creature tokens with vigilance.
3/5
barren elm
https://scryfall.com/card/40k/8/marneus-calgar
You'll draw a ton of cards with him, and he has double strike, making him a great voltron target.
zealous ferry
The reconfigure creatures trigger Oltec matter weaver and can be cloned
This is mainly an argument for [[lion sash]]
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Artifact Creature — Equipment Cat
: Exile target card from a graveyard. If it was a permanent card, put a +1/+1 counter on Lion Sash.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each +1/+1 counter on Lion Sash.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
1/1
barren elm
Living Weapon cards are probably great with this commander. My buddy built a list based around that idea.
zealous ferry
How do you offload Mask of the Schemer if you need to?
Because, one thing I've heard is it has the ability to easily kill you.
So I need to go to bed apparently because I totally missed a card that was there and it's nearly 1 am
static spire
Speaking of commanders that want it, [[marneus calgar]] is a *fantastic* additio...
he only draws one per attacking creature, which is fine but not spectacular
static spire
This is mainly an argument for [[lion sash]]
my problem here is that I only wanted equipment which scaled well in multiples, ya know?
static spire
How do you offload Mask of the Schemer if you need to?
(real answer, play Puresteel and move it onto a non-attacking creature)
zealous ferry
my problem here is that I only wanted equipment which scaled well in multiples, ...
Yeah. I was thinking it might in this case because it modifies itself.
Because it puts a counter on when it exiles something from a graveyard.
static spire
Yeah. I was thinking it might in this case because it modifies itself.
Yeah, I suppose I could see that. Slots are tight etc, but fair. Lemme think on it!
zealous ferry
I'm glad you included the warning about how easy it is to deck yourself
static spire
I'm glad you included the warning about how easy it is to deck yourself
yeah, it's happened several times in testing
You can avoid it by planning ahead, but you've gotta keep a count of cards left in library
zealous ferry
Yeah
static spire
Outside of [[Ardenn]], how many effects in Azorius colors have the capacity to attach my equipment to opponents' creatures?
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static spire
[[Fumble]], I guess. Are there others?
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raw flint
I couldn’t find anything but [[resolute strike]] and that is very narrow
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static spire
I couldn’t find anything but [[resolute strike]] and that is very narrow
Thank you for looking anyway!
I realized that Ardenn can lock down creatures with [[Blade of Shared Souls]] / [[Assimilation Aegis]] and I was curious if there were more ways to do that cheaply
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Artifact — Equipment
For Mirrodin! (When this Equipment enters the battlefield, create a 2/2 red Rebel creature token, then attach this to it.)
Whenever Blade of Shared Souls becomes attached to a creature, for as long as Blade of Shared Souls remains attached to it, you may have that creature become a copy of another target creature you control.
Equip
Artifact — Equipment
When Assimilation Aegis enters the battlefield, exile up to one target creature until Assimilation Aegis leaves the battlefield.
Whenever Assimilation Aegis becomes attached to a creature, for as long as Assimilation Aegis remains attached to it, that creature becomes a copy of a creature card exiled with Assimilation Aegis.
Equip
static spire
Huh, maybe [[Esior, Wardwing]] is another good creature in this deck
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Legendary Creature — Bird
Flying
Spells your opponents cast that target one or more commanders you control cost more to cast.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
1/3
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zealous ferry
Esior is great
raw flint
Thank you for looking anyway!
Ofc
zealous ferry
There are 2 things that steal equipment but yeah, that's basically it
There are more options for auras
So, I was talking with my husband about this deck and the mask of the schemer
He says one thing you need if you're using the mask is a shuffle titan effect
static spire
He says one thing you need if you're using the mask is a shuffle titan effect
I'm not too concerned to be honest -- and that could still kill me if the titan is in the last few cards since often I connive for 20+ (as a single draw trigger). I think I'm okay with just counting the size of creatures very carefully 😂 but finally I draw [[Mantle of the Ancients]] and then oh baby we're going exponential
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static spire
There are more options for auras
yeah, I've always wanted a deck for [[kitsune mystic]] but never found one 😭
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Creature — Fox Wizard
At the beginning of the end step, if Kitsune Mystic is enchanted by two or more Auras, flip it.
2/3
Autumn-Tail, Kitsune Sage
Legendary Creature — Fox Wizard
: Attach target Aura attached to a creature to another creature.
4/5
static spire
Guess who's doing MH3 updates today
sage cloak
What decks are getting tooled with?
static spire
What decks are getting tooled with?
All of them! Literally all
Starting with Avacyn
static spire
AVACYN:
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ADD: Marsh Flats, Scalding Tarn, Scroll Rack, Teshar, Invasion of Gobakhan, Phelia, Flare of Fortitude, Witch Enchanter, Powerbalance, Monumental Henge, Arena of Glory, Pinnacle Monk
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CUT: City of Brass, Aven Mindcensor, Mana Confluence, Mox Opal, Aggravated Assault, Surge of Salvation, Pre-War Formalwear, Lotus Ring, Angel of Indemnity, 3x Plains, 1x Mountain
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NOTES: I'm re-adding Scroll Rack to support Powerbalance, and thus increasing my fetch count, but those Rack/Power might both get cut to re-add other things... May also add Razorgrass Ambush / Prismatic Vista / Sundering Eruption eventually!
static spire
Do you have top in there?
I don't, but I don't really think Top is super good in EDH
If my commander did the Powerbalance thing I'd run it for sure, of course
sage cloak
It’s a really, really low opportunity cost for the number of cards you see with it
static spire
My problem is that, unless you get a shuffle effect, you keep seeing the same cards -- eventually you get stuck with 3 mediocre things on top, and are forced to spend 1 mana per turn to spin the top and get the newest card from third-down to the top
I don't really want to spend the 1 mana every turn on it 😅 that's my problem with Top, at first it's giving you card advantage, then paying 1 is compulsory to keep the card advantage until you shuffle
raw flint
Based Powerbalance addition
static spire
Based Powerbalance addition
I really wanna try and break parity with Rule of Law using Powerbalance 😅
"I get my one normal spell per turn, and also get spells on YOUR turn"
sage cloak
My problem is that, unless you get a shuffle effect, you keep seeing the *same* ...
I mean, that’s if you’re not good with just drawing the cards on top - after a while it’s got diminishing returns, sure, but it’s not like your opponents have seen those cards
Just because the cards don’t give you happy chemical anymore doesn’t mean they’re not useful
Then, once you’ve chewed through those three, you can then look at the next three
Or if you get a shuffle effect you get to do three more
static spire
I've just always found it a really dead card I'm not happy to draw 🤷♀️
But if Powerbalance proves to be spectacular, I may add it anyway here!
Okay, Avacyn's updates done!
Moving on to Teysa!
here's my sandbox for the changes, then I'll merge into main list
sage cloak
Mamma mia, I know what you’re doing all day
static spire
Mamma mia, I know what you’re doing all day
at least for another hour lol
also, I forgot [[razorgrass ambush]] and/or [[Sundering Eruption]] in Avacyn
timber mesaBOT
Instant
Razorgrass Ambush deals 3 damage to target attacking or blocking creature.
When disturbed, razorgrass skewers unwary intruders in violent, jingling bursts.
Razorgrass Field
Land
As Razorgrass Field enters the battlefield, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
Leonin hide their dwellings within the Razor Fields, making approach deadly without knowledge of their secret paths.
Sorcery
Destroy target land. Its controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle. Creatures without flying can't block this turn.
"Idea: Climbing boots also balanced for running." —Expedition journal entry, very scorched
Volcanic Fissure
Land
As Volcanic Fissure enters the battlefield, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
Even the most seasoned adventurers think twice before testing their fortunes on the volcanic teeth of Akoum.
static spire
Hey @sage cloak could I get your help?
Gotta find SEVEN cuts in here: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/YVysI46jAk6aDCnvLpS3eQ
help 😭
sage cloak
Dominus spiritus sanctus… dominus spiritus sanctus….
I am praying for you
How often are you attacking for [[argent dais]] to be relevant?
timber mesaBOT
Artifact
Argent Dais enters the battlefield with two oil counters on it.
Whenever two or more creatures attack, put an oil counter on Argent Dais.
, , Remove two oil counters from Argent Dais: Exile another target nonland permanent. Its controller draws two cards.
sage cloak
Orochi Soul-weaver seems kinda mid
static spire
How often are you attacking for [[argent dais]] to be relevant?
I attack with 2 things reasonably frequently, but my hope is to rattlesnake with it? like, "oh, if you attack my walkers with 2+ creatures, I'll exile your best thing"
sage cloak
Sounds like you’re hoping and not planning
New sorin is cool and all but is also pretty out of place I think
I know it’s in your sideboard but muster the departed is mid
static spire
Sounds like you’re hoping and not planning
ouch, call me out lol
static spire
I know it’s in your sideboard but muster the departed is mid
yeah that one already got the axe
I'm moving things from main to sideboard
until main goes down to 100
sage cloak
Slaughter the strong is also kinda bad, you’d be better off with something like [[battle of bywater]]
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Sorcery
Destroy all creatures with power 3 or greater. Then create a Food token for each creature you control. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
The Tooks marched in with Pippin at their head. Merry now had enough sturdy Hobbitry to deal with the ruffians.
sage cloak
How often are you committing crimes for Kaervek to be useful?
static spire
Orochi Soul-weaver seems kinda mid
I'll admit I haven't cast him yet -- haven't gotten to play much since OTJ came out -- but he SEEMS super good to me. Swing in with three little spirit tokens, get 3 treasures, get 3 expendable blockers (with possible albeit unlikely upside)?
static spire
How often are you committing crimes for Kaervek to be useful?
My commander commits crimes herself to be fair
but lemme check my crime count
sage cloak
Hmm
Has priest of the blessed graf done work for you?
I love the dude but I’m not sure
static spire
Has priest of the blessed graf done work for you?
oh yeah it's been GREAT
it has the ideal play pattern here
I've intentionally missed land drops to get the trigger lol
sage cloak
I’m thinking perhaps a walker needs to go too
Lolth has always been kinda mid in my experience
I had a jund tokens list with her and it was.. fine
Eternal wanderer also doesn’t make a whole ton of sense here, other than I guess being a board wipe
static spire
...cutting Eldrazi Monument is probably objectively correct, but I love the card and want to keep it
sage cloak
I was considering saying that too
static spire
For NOW, here's the Teysa change-list:
ADD
1 Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff
1 Chthonian Nightmare
1 Sorin of House Markov // Sorin, Ravenous Neonate
1 Spymaster's Vault
1 Warren Soultrader
1 Fell the Profane // Fell Mire
1 Razorgrass Ambush // Razorgrass Field
1 Monumental Henge
1 Ocelot Pride
CUT
1 City of Brass
1 Beckon Apparition
1 Orzhov Enforcer
1 Fetid Heath
1 Mana Confluence
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Charismatic Conqueror
1 Illicit Masquerade
That being said, I really want to have Beckon Apparition and Orzhov Enforcer in there, so I may look for other cuts soon. But I can move on.
static spire
I have a few minutes free, so on to Yenna! https://www.moxfield.com/decks/u6gKade2W0azYONtumYceQ
static spire
I have a few minutes free, so on to Yenna! https://www.moxfield.com/decks/u6gKad...
I need help finding five more cuts, if anyone is around
raw flint
I have two related questions
Are artifact abilities a big enough concern in your play groups to run null rod and collector ouphe?
And are Doubling Season and City of Death doing enough work here?
zealous ferry
I need help finding five more cuts, if anyone is around
So for the sideboard?
static spire
So for the sideboard?
The question is basically "is anything in the sideboard better than anything in the mainboard" at this point
Nobody responded so I made the five cuts myself, but I can reverse or alter them if y'all think there's a better option
static spire
Are artifact abilities a big enough concern in your play groups to run null rod ...
Yes, very much so -- in particular I need to shut down Dockside whenever possible
raw flint
Nobody responded so I made the five cuts myself, but I can reverse or alter them...
Sorry I was too slow 😅
raw flint
Yes, very much so -- in particular I need to shut down Dockside whenever possibl...
This is valid
static spire
And are Doubling Season and City of Death doing enough work here?
City of Death, absolutely. Card's super super good.
Doubling Season is an interesting question! I really do want to have one token doubler in here, since 1) it's a silly way to go off with Yenna, and 2) it's a part of at least one infinite combo. Previously I was on Anointed Procession / Parallel Lives, but I swapped over to Doubling Season because someone pointed out that it goes infinite with a token copy of [[Three Blind Mice]], and that's a nice thing to have in my back pocket.
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static spire
Sorry I was too slow 😅
You're good! You're here now, and I'm gonna start working on my NEXT deck's MH3 changes if you want to look lol
raw flint
I’ll look tho I often feel unqualified to make good suggestions
static spire
I’ll look tho I often feel unqualified to make good suggestions
I love your suggestions, they make me think! No such thing as unqualified, they help me think it all out with a new set of eyes 🙂
The next deck is gonna be a doozy -- Wort
zealous ferry
So, I feel like you can drop one of the 4 mana land auras for the selesnya fox
I don't know that it mechanically matters which
The cost reduction on average feels like it will be equivalent to that
static spire
So, I feel like you can drop one of the 4 mana land auras for the selesnya fox
My potential concern is that I don't actually have many ways to raise the fox's power
so it'll basically be a reduction of 1 always
zealous ferry
Hmm
raw flint
How many cuts are you looking to make here?
static spire
Well, when I do a complete rebuild like this, I generally shift the ENTIRE deck into the sideboard, then gradually move it back to the mainboard
As I go through and categorize ramp, card draw, combos, recursion, interaction, etc
raw flint
Gotcha
static spire
At present, mainboard + sideboard = 108 cards
so 8 cards will need to remain exiled to the sideboard
First step, I need to cut at least one land (because I now have too many, with MDFCs included)
Well, I have to step away for now
So I can continue later
Come to think of it, [[Arena of Glory]] isn’t as good as I want it to be here
timber mesaBOT
Land
Arena of Glory enters the battlefield tapped unless you control a Mountain.
: Add .
, , Exert Arena of Glory: Add . If that mana is spent on a creature spell, it gains haste until end of turn. (An exerted permanent won't untap during your next untap step.)
static spire
Because I generally tutor my big finishers straight to field
Without casting
So that brings me to an even 40 lands
Nice and symmetric. I approve
When I get home, I’ll categorize the rest of the stuff and post it with a more complete version for the final tweaks
raw flint
Did you want suggestions on which ones to leave behind?
static spire
Sure!
You’re welcome to give them if you have them
I just haven’t done my side of the work so it’ll be hard for you to pick lol
raw flint
I took a good hard look at it already
It’s 100% not the deck I thought I was gonna be looking at
But I really dig it
static spire
Ooooo
I’d also love your thoughts on the deck in general!
You can see the current version on my profile
raw flint
It’s got a crystal clear gameplan which I really admire
static spire
It began as a “secret commander Moraug and Ashaya” deck
static spire
It’s got a crystal clear gameplan which I really admire
How so?
raw flint
Well, at least as I read it, you’re churning out cards and especially lands from your library into either play or the grave to then go into play, while then sacrificing things for value and more lands to continue this churning effect.
The churn triggers things like Moraug, Valakut, and other win cons to pop off.
The admiring was that I like how readable I think it is
raw flint
As for the cards I think are maybe the easiest cuts (it’s hard to say!), these are maybe the questions I’d ask:
- When you’ve got so many other cards interested in your grave and other tutors is Analyze the Pollen needed?
- While Primal Growth is a good card is the deck getting enough squeeze for the sacrifice requirement when you have a lot of other land tutors as alternatives?
- Are three cards that make it so lands come in untapped necessary all together or could one be dropped do you think?
static spire
Well, at least as I read it, you’re churning out cards and especially lands from...
That's pretty close, yeah! It's a landfall-storm deck, where the goal is for each landfall trigger to generate more mana (via Lotus Cobra, land untappers, etc) and card advantage than was spent to tutor them. For example, a doubled [[Skyshroud Claim]] is mana neutral, and if I have a Lotus Cobra suddenly it's a ritual which also leaves me with four lands! And so on. I win through Valakut or Moraug most often yeah 😉 Often I have quadruple Valakut triggers thanks to Vesuva, [[Dryad of the Ilysian Grove]], and [[Ancient Greenwarden]]
static spire
As for the cards I think are maybe the easiest cuts (it’s hard to say!), these a...
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The idea is that a copied and evidenced Analyze the Pollen can fetch Cradle plus any creature to go off. Not sure if that'll stick around though, the card has been a little disappointing. On the other hand, this deck lives and dies on creature tutors, so... 🤔 Notably I don't have a major way to reuse instants and sorceries that hit GY, so that's not a huge problem to exile, and exiling creatures isn't a huge deal.
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Primal Growth is definitely a potential cut yeah 🤔 In theory it's neat because it's automatically mana-positive when I have Wort (can sacrifice a token and copy it, which pays 3 mana for 4 untapped lands) but you're right that it struggles when I don't have a way to generate expendable tokens...
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The three cards which make lands come in untapped are pretty good, yea -- along with the three Lotus Cobra variants, they're the best ways to generate mana from every land drop, which is a huge deal when trying to go mana-positive on our ramp spells -- but we'll see if they've been outmoded by new cards...
Okay so!
Scryfall finally updated with the commander cards
So now I need to make two MORE cuts from the landbase, for [[Talon Gates]] and [[Lazotep Quarry]]
timber mesaBOT
Land — Desert
{T: Add
, Sacrifice a creature: Add one mana of any color.
, , Sacrifice a Desert: Exile target creature card with mana value X from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie. Activate only as a sorcery.
static spire
Might finally be time for [[Dryad Arbor]] to leave
timber mesaBOT
Land Creature — Forest Dryad
(Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has ": Add 
.")
"Touch no tree, break no branch, and speak only the question you wish answered." —Von Yomm, elder druid, to her initiates
1/1
raw flint
* The *idea* is that a copied and evidenced Analyze the Pollen can fetch Cradle ...
All very valid thoughts
static spire
Okay, for now I've cut [[Dryad Arbor]] (no more GSZ for X=0 alas) and [[Highland Forest]] for Lazotep Quarry and Talon Gates
timber mesaBOT
Land Creature — Forest Dryad
(Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has ": Add .")
"Touch no tree, break no branch, and speak only the question you wish answered." —Von Yomm, elder druid, to her initiates
1/1
Snow Land — Mountain Forest
(: Add or .)
Highland Forest enters the battlefield tapped.
"Tread carefully! The last time I walked this path, half the snowdrifts were, in fact, sleeping trolls. I've never run so fast in my life!" —Iskene, Kannah storyteller
static spire
I like having fetchable reanimation and phasing tbh
and although losing Highland Forest lowers my Valakut count a little, most Valakut lines require Dryad of the Ilysian Grove to work right anyway
And Quarry gives me another way to get that fellow back
it does increase my density of colorless lands though -- more testing necessary
Okay, so -- I'm gonna start re-adding stuff and tagging as I go
static spire
@raw flint -- we're at 96 now, any thoughts on which 4 things I should add from sideboard? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/EZufgBtdNEyvCXVFIte41Q
raw flint
<@282385029387124736> -- we're at 96 now, any thoughts on which 4 things I shou...
I can’t stay to talk too long, gotta hit the hay, but I think my leaning is towards:
- Six, as a strong multipurpose piece
- Underworld Breach as another wincon
- Nissa cuz I just think she jives well here
- Summoners Pact for one more tutor
static spire
I can’t stay to talk too long, gotta hit the hay, but I think my leaning is towa...
Okay, thanks! 🤔
zealous ferry
I agree with those suggestions if it helps at all
static spire
Okay, Wort's MH3 changes are as follow for now:
ADD:
1 Reap and Sow
1 Urza's Cave
1 Sundering Eruption // Volcanic Fissure
1 Reckless Pyrosurfer
1 Springheart Nantuko
1 Territory Culler
1 Horizon of Progress
1 Lazotep Quarry
1 Talon Gates of Madara
CUT:
1 Underworld Breach
1 Strip Mine
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Primal Growth
1 Hour of Promise
1 Highland Forest
1 Dire-Strain Rampage
1 Boseiju, Who Endures
1 Omenpath Journey
We've gone up on land count a little, but down on colored mana, so we'll see how that plays! It feels like the list is gonna be a little more combo-y now.
static spire
I agree with those suggestions if it helps at all
Your thoughts ALWAYS help
static spire
I can’t stay to talk too long, gotta hit the hay, but I think my leaning is towa...
I managed to fit Nissa and Summoner's Pact, for now, but not the other two
Okay, on to the next deck!
Arna is a bit simpler -- since I built it with MH3 cards in mind, I only need to figure out whether anything in the five new sideboard cards is better than the current set of cards in the deck...
Tragically, I'm starting to get too sleepy, so may have to pick this up tomorrow 😂
hazy nimbus
*Guess who's doing MH3 updates today*
I will be, too, now that it's all spoiled.
Luckily I only have 7 decks to update but
static spire
Luckily I only have 7 decks to update but
I updated five decks yesterday, which leaves me with six more today (more or less)
static spire
Tragically, I realized that I had insufficiently considered [[Talon Gates of Madara]] and [[Lazotep Quarry]] for many of my decks, so I need to shove those in somehow 😭 along with [[Sawhorn Nemesis]] for Avacyn.
timber mesaBOT
Land — Gate
When Talon Gates of Madara enters the battlefield, up to one target creature phases out.
: Add .
, : Add one mana of any color.
: Put Talon Gates of Madara from your hand onto the battlefield.
Land — Desert
{T: Add
, Sacrifice a creature: Add one mana of any color.
, , Sacrifice a Desert: Exile target creature card with mana value X from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie. Activate only as a sorcery.
hazy nimbus
Woof yeah
static spire
…huh. I just realized that [[Kaya, Spirits’ Justice]] is really good with [[Lazotep Quarry]]
timber mesaBOT
Land — Desert
{T: Add
, Sacrifice a creature: Add one mana of any color.
, , Sacrifice a Desert: Exile target creature card with mana value X from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a 4/4 black Zombie. Activate only as a sorcery.
static spire
Quarry is also great with token doublers etc.
hazy nimbus
Yeah I'm considering it in Marneus
Could be lots of fun if I have the white Ojer out, or Mondrak, and make a million copies of something with a gnarly ETB.
Or heck, use it to make 3 copies of Mondrak w/ Ojer (or 2 of the opposite)
static spire
Hey, anyone want to help me with Araumi cuts?
- Here's my current list (need help with getting 10 cuts): https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PJkIT5txzkCmMnBkkenPug
- And here's the original with primer (a little out of date): https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Cx0f3NJkDU203YLF6K3kqQ
static spire
Oh god -- [[Dockside Extortionist]] and [[Springheart Nantuko]]
timber mesaBOT
Creature — Goblin Pirate
When Dockside Extortionist enters the battlefield, create X Treasure tokens, where X is the number of artifacts and enchantments your opponents control. (Treasure tokens are artifacts with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"It's just business."
1/2
Enchantment Creature — Insect Monk
Bestow
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1.
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may pay if Springheart Nantuko is attached to a creature you control. If you do, create a token that's a copy of that creature. If you didn't create a token this way, create a 1/1 green Insect creature token.
1/1
static spire
Springheart nantuko is a silly card
I also realized that it's infinite landfall (mana permitting) with [[Dryad Arbor]]
timber mesaBOT
Land Creature — Forest Dryad
(Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has ": Add .")
"Touch no tree, break no branch, and speak only the question you wish answered." —Von Yomm, elder druid, to her initiates
1/1
zealous ferry
Yep
static spire
I'm continuing the MH3 updates -- I've got five more slots in Omo, what from the sideboard would you add? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/9o-541eku0ajB8Yb-3e8mw
frail quarry
I'm continuing the MH3 updates -- I've got five more slots in Omo, what from the...
- Trenzalore Clocktower
- Birchlore Rangers
- Malcolm Keen Eyed Navigator
- The Thirteenth Doctor
- Sphinx of Clear Skies
static spire
- Trenzalore Clocktower
- Birchlore Rangers
- Malcolm Keen Eyed Navigator
- The ...
Thanks!
frail quarry
Yeah!
Hm. With how low your overall curve is, you might not need Birchlore Rangers (in which case I'd replace it with [[six | mh3]], but I think it's worth testing
timber mesaBOT
static spire
Hm. With how low your overall curve is, you might not need Birchlore Rangers (in...
Six is very interesting to me, if I can keep enough lands in hand... 🤔
frail quarry
Six is very interesting to me, *if* I can keep enough lands in hand... 🤔
True and fair! You already run a low number of lands so it may be tough. Worth testing, I think
Is it worth exploring the world of bounce lands/trade routes style effects? or is that not worth it
wait nvm you're just doing lands + creatures
hmmm
static spire
Thoughts on [[Ashling, Flame Dancer]] in Wort?
Upside, I'll get to do the Pyroclasm mode every turn, and it won't be hard for me to trigger the RRRR mode
Downside, it doesn't actually synergize at all with the lands portion of my strategy
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Creature — Elemental Shaman
You don't lose unspent red mana as steps and phases end.
Magecraft — Whenever you cast or copy an instant or sorcery spell, discard a card, then draw a card. If this is the second time this ability has resolved this turn, Ashling, Flame Dancer deals 2 damage to each opponent and each creature they control. If it's the third time, add .
4/4
raw flint
I think it’s a bit of a distraction
Cool card but not necessarily helping your strategy too much
static spire
Do we have any cEDH stax players here? I need some help cutting cards from my cEDH Hapatra... https://www.moxfield.com/decks/trQrYMNc406x2edaIMgLtg
half sedge
What is the purpose of this inclusion?
Checking out the list while I try to fall asleep, lol.
static spire
It's a very clean way to get a lot of snakes with Hapatra out, without paying further mana
half sedge
Ah, fair.
glacial cradle
That's a hell of a typeline
zealous ferry
Crocodile always helps
jovial tinsel
we have very different definitions of “budget” wow
finite heart
yeah hearing "Budget" and then seeing a pricetag thats as espensive as my second most expensive deck does feel very weird
static spire
we have very different definitions of “budget” wow
$350 is reasonably budget these days, imo
(the paper version I have for this deck is $2000)
jovial tinsel
$350 is reasonably budget these days, imo
hard disagree
static spire
either way, this is the budget that the commenter requested
finite heart
Its a price in the pricerange i often go for, but budget i would not call anything above 100€
static spire
hard disagree
to be fair, the person who requested this particular build really liked the "use token doublers as sextuplers in Teysa" play pattern, which means I have to devote like $200 of the budget to the various doublers I can play here
jovial tinsel
fair enough
static spire
and this was still designed for high power (to take down some problem decks at that guy's meta, which are $600 budget or so)
raw flint
Whether it’s budget or not by peeps subjective views doesn’t make a huge difference. What’s up Daedalus? Want opinions or other thoughts?
static spire
Whether it’s budget or not by peeps subjective views doesn’t make a huge differe...
I'm always down for opinions! I'm curious in particular whether losing some of the more expensive stuff (like mana-fixing lands, etc) will affect the deck hugely, and whether I have enough draw (and what to cut for more if I don't)
static spire
What's the target with arena rector?
primarily Lily or big Elspeth, but it gives some flexibility
neon shore
yeah hearing "Budget" and then seeing a pricetag thats as espensive as my second...
Inflation says hi
vast vale
Out of curiosity what are your reasons to break your preference of non- precon commanders?
static spire
Out of curiosity what are your reasons to break your preference of non- precon c...
Omo just seemed unique enough that it was worth a try!
Also, my original reason for avoiding precon commanders was that they were often too "solved" -- there was a clear way you were supposed to build them, and very little interesting angles other than that
They also tended to be very popular and built by everyone (since they're a common intro to the format)
But these days, things similar to precon commanders are printed in draftable sets all the time, and there's all the strange non-draftable booster-included legends like [[Xavier Sal]]... the boundary between designs used in precons and designs used elsewhere has blurred
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Fungus Pirate
, Remove a counter from another permanent you control: Populate. Activate only as a sorcery. (Create a token that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
, Sacrifice another creature: Proliferate. Activate only as a sorcery. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
3/3
static spire
so now the biggest problem with precon legends -- to me -- is that they rarely exist in good-looking foil
vast vale
I agree on the foil issue! Also very nice of you to respond
sage cloak
so now the biggest problem with precon legends -- to me -- is that they rarely e...
Those portrait frames doing work fr
static spire
Those portrait frames doing work fr
Oooh, strong disagree
I do not like the profile arts at all
static spire
I agree on the foil issue! Also very nice of you to respond
I try and respond to everything here! I like answering questions
sage cloak
Valid
I just like Coram’s
And that they provide a different foil helps, unless you don’t like them ofc
static spire
Had a bit of time to do ACR updates for my decks!
AVACYN: Abstergo Entertainment, Caduceus Staff of Hermes, Layla Hassan, Fall of the First Civilization
TEYSA: Abstergo Entertainment, What Must Be Done
ARNA: Abstergo Entertainment, Battlefield Improvisation, Assassin Gauntlet
HAPATRA: Cleopatra, Exiled Pharaoh
ROALESK: Mjolnir Storm Hammer, The Aesir Escape Valhalla
OMO: Loyal Inventor
That's the set of stuff I need to reskin! Almost there -- just gotta do four more.
raw flint
I’m curious, do you do UW reskins because you don’t like UB or because it’s like an ongoing project you enjoy?
frail quarry
I appreciate the UW reskins because I think the UB frame looks terrible next to normal UW cards? It's like a super uncanny valley thing, if that makes sense.
My brain translates the project booster fun just fine because we have the strixhaven mystical archive and the inventions and invocations etc, but the base UB frame just unnverves me
raw flint
I genuinely have no idea what you’re referring to
I went looking to try and discern the difference and I can’t see anything of note other than fortalezas triangle nemesis
finite heart
the frame also looks a bit metalic but i dont mind it tbh
frail quarry
I went looking to try and discern the difference and I can’t see anything of not...
the metallic sheen of the ub frame?
frail quarry
the ub metallic sheen is ~fine~ on colorless stuff but when put next to colored cards it's really dissonant to me
raw flint
I guess. Now you’ve pointed it out I see the slight difference
frail quarry
I'm also weird in that aesthetics of a card are super important to me - if I don't like how something looks, from the art to the set symbol, etc I just won't play that copy
Yeah it's faint, but enough where my brain goes "something's off" in a bad way
raw flint
It feels very weird to be ok with booster fun or (if you are) old frames tho if not matching perfectly is an issue
frail quarry
because booster fun stuff is SO different from normal frames, if that makes sense? but the standard ub frame is so close But Different its uncanny valley to me
raw flint
because booster fun stuff is SO different from normal frames, if that makes sens...
Does this trigger the uncanny too?
