It has good recursion possibilities but I don't know how relevant it's been for you
#Daedalus's Deckbuilding Domain -- Help Appreciated!
zealous ferry
Like, it's absurd in my Greasefang Deck but has been "Ok" in others
I think if we find a spot for werefox girlfriend it makes more sense to stay
And I sort of think we need to beyond the quotient
She can flip Avacyn or save something you have.
In addition to removing something from an opponent's board
But the play of "sac her, flip avacyn, attack with sun titan, bring her back, exile a potential blocker" is tempting
Is it possible to use her to "save" solitude?
What about Scroll Rack for her
I know they're entirely different functions, but I don't know how much you need the scroll rack
Or is it to save cards you'd have wheeled and it's one way to get around RoL effects?
Checking something [[Fiend Hunter]]
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zealous ferry
Ok so she's got the different text so you couldn't use the sword to make her exile something forever.
zealous ferry
I find it interesting that lizard blades made it and lion sash didn't
The wheel is another option I could see
As much as that pains me
It feels like there are more ways for opponents to turn it into something much more asymmetrical
The faerie, etc.
static spire
Yeah... Wheel is no longer as good as it used to be IMO
(Hold on, I'll reply properly in a second)
zealous ferry
S'OK
I just figured I'd put it in the other thread to get feedback there from people. I'm always curious on how bad some of my "let's question the powerful card" suggestions are
static spire
I just figured I'd put it in the other thread to get feedback there from people....
I'm ALWAYS a huge fan of questioning authority the powerful "staple" cards which no longer fit a deck
sage cloak
I just figured I'd put it in the other thread to get feedback there from people....
It’s also a consideration of what’s the most fun imo, if double strike seems more fun than policing graveyards I’d go with the double strike
(I have no context of the deck or discussion I just try to have that perspective in the back of my mind)
zealous ferry
Part of it has to do with the power level.
On-demand Graveyard hate just feels like it can be absurdly strong.
static spire
Okay, so! Going through the comments here in reverse order
This is a big deal, since it's another way to do the whole "Recruiter --> Stoneforge --> Sword of Hearth and Home" shenanigans. Double strike is no joke either, when holding a sword!
It would hurt to cut Steelshaper's Gift, but it's not an impossibility. Let's call that Plan B.
static spire
It has good recursion possibilities but I don't know how relevant it's been for ...
Sun Titan is sorta a mixed bag, he's a recent addition. He's generally very strong if I get him to stick, since I've got a blink subtheme that can trigger him repeatedly -- he also works great with [[Preston the Vanisher]].
I have a lot of stuff which self-sacrifices in the deck, as well as a lot of stuff that can die to Avacyn's flip if I'm not cautious, so there's almost always good targets for his ability, and he also lets me get back my equipment.
On the other hand, six mana.
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Legendary Creature — Rabbit Wizard
Whenever another nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, if it wasn't cast, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's a 0/1 white Illusion.
, Sacrifice five Illusions: Exile target nonland permanent.
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zealous ferry
Fox girlfriend can exile sun titan, die and get brought back by its etb
static spire
But the play of "sac her, flip avacyn, attack with sun titan, bring her back, ex...
Yeah, that's a pretty nasty line. The tricky thing is that, broadly speaking, [[Skyclave Apparition]] already does that trick better and it's been more "cute" than absurdly strong?
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static spire
With that being said!
This does open up some new potential -- Werefox Girlfriend exiling Sun Titan, self-sacrificing, then Sun Titan brings her back. I don't think I have any way to go properly infinite, but it's gonna give crazy value with any ETB doubler.
EDIT: Yep, you said that before I could 😂
static spire
Is it possible to use her to "save" solitude?
Eh, kinda, but only if I can blink this at instant speed -- and at that point I could just blink the Solitude itself? It lets me reuse Solitude or any other ETB effect, albeit at a very inefficient rate.
zealous ferry
Yeah
static spire
What about Scroll Rack for her
I run enough shuffle effects here that Scroll Rack is a pretty great draw spell, but it's also a possibility -- I've cut it before, but always sorta wanted to get it back into the list.
zealous ferry
I think Wheel is a better option than scroll rack
static spire
Yeah
Also, her "slow blink" can reset Avacyn to her front side in a pinch! While saving the ETB indestructible until I need it.
zealous ferry
Just because it doesn't trigger faerie
static spire
I think Wheel is a better option than scroll rack
Better cut, or better inclusion?
zealous ferry
Better cut
Wheel triggers faerie or other draw punishments
[[Faerie Mastermind]]
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Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flash
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw a card.
: Each player draws a card.
Yuta Takahashi, World Champion XXVII
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static spire
I find it interesting that lizard blades made it and lion sash didn't
...I know that everyone's raving about Lion Sash being great, but I tested it and I was not super impressed. There's much better GY hate if I want that -- RIP comes to mind, or now the new [[Agatha's Cauldron]] -- and Lion Sash is a very inefficient piece of equipment. I was never happy to have it.
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Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to activate abilities of creatures you control.
Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. When a creature card is exiled this way, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
static spire
Conversely, Lizard Blades has been amazing as tutorable cheap double strike, OR a double-striking sword-carrier that can be tutored by Stoneforge (to avoid the whole "lots of equipment but no creatures to carry them" problem which plagues some equipment-heavy decks).
static spire
The wheel is another option I could see
Yeah, Wheel is a likely cut here -- less because of the Faeries, actually, and MUCH more because of [[Orcish Bowmaster]].
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zealous ferry
Yeah, I knew you'd tested it, but I've seen people be over the moon on the lion and no mention of blades
That's why I thought it was interesting that lion performed poorly for you
static spire
Yeah, I knew you'd tested it, but I've seen people be over the moon on the lion ...
Plus when Lizard Blades is in equipment mode, it dodges board wipes and lets me re-equip and swing without waiting a turn. Lion Sash definitely "reads" better on paper, but it just... didn't play well. Especially since I hate holding up mana for a narrow hate effect like that.
Long story short, I think that many players on the internet often have bad card evaluation skills -- shocking, I know 😂
hazy nimbus
I love Lizard Blades
It's such a great utility equipment
I feel like a ton of the equipment creatures get slept on
They're also nice when equipped for "tap an artifact" effects.
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Artifact Creature — Equipment Dog
Menace
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has menace.
Whenever Komainu Battle Armor or equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, goad each creature that player controls.
Reconfigure 
(: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
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hazy nimbus
YES. I run that in Firkraag
static spire
Honestly this guy was really strong, I'm sad he eventually got cut.
hazy nimbus
My wife has gotten pretty aggressive about removing equipment creatures.
Since realizing they can become a huge nuisance.
static spire
I love how they dodge board wipes and give "haste" when re-equipping, it's actually super relevant in a lot of cases.
hazy nimbus
YES
zealous ferry
I use them in [[Captain Ripley Vance]]
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zealous ferry
the cheap ones especially were a huge boost to her.
static spire
If you’re talking power level sash is almost always better
I still disagree with this 😂 Or rather, I think that:
- Lion Sash is much less good than most players think, even in high power.
- Lizard Blades is really good in the right deck, and this is absolutely the right deck.
sage cloak
Lion sash effectively stops reanimator strategies because if you hold up the one white they can never get a reanimate in
Also, I did say almost always, if your deck is super duper hard aggro then blades might be better
static spire
Lion sash effectively stops reanimator strategies because if you hold up the one...
I'm aware -- GY hate is strong in the right circumstance, but I think there's FAR far better ways to accomplish it.
Put another way, if I want anti-reanimator GY hate, I'm going to run [[Rest in Peace]] or [[Soul-Guide Lantern]] or [[Grafdigger's Cage]] or [[Weathered Runestone]] or the new [[Agatha's Soul Cauldron]].
I think that Lion Sash's "upside" of granting a power boost is really underwhelming and irrelevant, while it also requires me to hold up colored mana every turn. It's mediocre GY hate, compared to other "harder" GY hate options, while also being a mediocre equipment.
glacial cradle
Huh. Fox Girlfriend + Sun titan + sac outlet is infinite, no?
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Artifact
When Soul-Guide Lantern enters the battlefield, exile target card from a graveyard.
, Sacrifice Soul-Guide Lantern: Exile each opponent's graveyard.
, , Sacrifice Soul-Guide Lantern: Draw a card.
Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to activate abilities of creatures you control.
Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. When a creature card is exiled this way, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
static spire
Huh. Fox Girlfriend + Sun titan + sac outlet is infinite, no?
Yep!
zealous ferry
You need 1W to do it
Not a free sac
Or wait no
brain
outlet
yes
Boromir spoiled my brain by sacrificing himself for free
glacial cradle
Or, uh, 2 Pitiless Plunderers. Ez
static spire
Also, I did say almost always, if your deck is super duper hard aggro then blade...
There's one BIG upside of Lion Sash compared to other GY hate options, to be clear: it's tutorable by Stoneforger and friends. But still, I don't think that's "enough" compared to the other powerful GY hate options we have (which don't require mana held up).
static spire
[[Archangel Avacyn]] stax-blink-voltron: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Vpiz7R8Rfk-0J7yX0AUQtA
static spire
You need 1W to do it
Ooooh! But there IS one infinite combo here:
- Werefox Girlfriend
- Sun Titan
- Dockside Extortionist
- Any ETB doubler (Preston or Elesh Norn)
static spire
Yea, it’s probably not the best then, especially if equipment isn’t your focus
Equipment is my focus, but there's a lot of competition for slots 😅
glacial cradle
My brain likes to assume all of Avacyn's abilities specify non-angel but it's just her flip condition.
static spire
Ooooh! But there IS one infinite combo here:
* Werefox Girlfriend
* Sun Titan
* ...
Using an ETB doubler, exile both Sun Titan and Dockside until Werefox Girlfriend leaves.
Sacrifice her to her own ability.
The two exiled creatures return. ETBs happen.
As long as we generate enough Treasures (2 if using Elesh, 3 if Preston), this generates infinite mana and infinite life.
sage cloak
Equipment is my focus, but there's a lot of competition for slots 😅
I would, for instance, run it in my 4c flying men deck, because the grave hate means I can hold up other interaction, flash in a flier, or use the sash, then equip it to my life linking Tymna
But in a deck where you’re stacking into one guy lizard blades are probably better for damage and the slack can be picked up by other stuff
static spire
Using an ETB doubler, exile both Sun Titan and Dockside until Werefox Girlfriend...
Oh hey wait! This is sick, because once you generate infinite mana, you can swap the loop to instead get infinite uses out of every ETB effect in your deck... 😈
Also, hey eveyone, congratulations -- we've officially passed five thousand posts in this thread 😂
zealous ferry
And you have Norn and Preston in the list already
So you don't have to work to find a cut for a doubler
static spire
Exactly!
Okay, I've been convinced on cutting Wheel. I don't want to cut Wheel AND Scroll Rack, though.
static spire
I think [[Sword of Forge and Frontier]] is the other cut.
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from green.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn. You may play an additional land this turn.
Equip 
static spire
It should be card advantage. It never is. Too many of my spells are reactive, and ROL locks out the Sword hard.
static spire
Okay! I like those swaps.
Werefox Girlfriend and Kellan in, Wheel of Fortune and Sword of Forge and Frontier out.
zealous ferry
Using rack to stack what you put on so that the most useless thing is on top that you don't want to see?
static spire
I mean, kinda, but Sword of Hearth and Home already does that better by shuffling -- and Kellan can find that now 🙂
static spire
Thank you @zealous ferry for your thoughts on Wheel, I wouldn't have considered that cut without your insight.
(As much as it hurts me to remove my beautiful black-bordered Glücksrad...)
zealous ferry
Clearly you just need a new deck for it 😅
static spire
Clearly you just need a new deck for it 😅
Avacyn is my only deck where I'm running foreign cards though 😭
zealous ferry
Oh. I know. Make a deck for [[Ash|WOE]]
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zealous ferry
[[Ash, Party]]
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zealous ferry
[[Ash, Party Crasher]]
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zealous ferry
Since it's Cinderella
static spire
What other cards match "Ash, Party"?
zealous ferry
I have no idea
static spire
[[Crash the Party]] and [[Party Crasher]] apparently.
zealous ferry
Yeah, I just found those.
🙃
But Ash is more directly a reference to the name the Brother's Grimm used for the character
Aschenputtel
static spire
Hah! I didn't catch that, that's cool.
zealous ferry
Either that or you make Rowan
And wheel for R
One is a little more aesthetically pleasing (to me at least)
static spire
I'm not a huge fan of Rowan's design unfortunately 😦
And I just came up with a new Rakdos deck I'm excited for anyway
zealous ferry
Because I had to look up the spelling, I still love how old Cinderella is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella
It's fine, she's just at least from the Ancient Egyptians
green plover
Kind of a shame there doesn't seem to be much to the Celebration package.
Cause it'd be cool to play a Cinderella commander.
static spire
I need to find two cuts for [[Agatha's Soul Cauldron]] and [[Virtue of Persistance]]. What would you cut?
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Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to activate abilities of creatures you control.
Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. When a creature card is exiled this way, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control.
Locthwain Scorn 
Sorcery — Adventure
Target creature gets -3/-3 until end of turn. You gain 2 life.
zealous ferry
How are you getting counters on things?
Just the cauldron?
I'm just seeing 4 creatures that put counters on themselves
Heartless Summoning
For the virtue
It cuts costs a lot but it feels like there are a lot of things it kills
Like Toxril's slugs
static spire
How are you getting counters on things?
Just Cauldron, mostly. I need a bit more graveyard hate and this is a fun way to do it.
static spire
Heartless Summoning
That's proven to be really good since it can curve into my commander T3 or other big threat... Hm.
zealous ferry
I mean it may not matter if those die to it
static spire
I mean it may not matter if those die to it
I sculpted the deck specifically to avoid 1-toughness stuff so it's not been a HUGE problem so far... But fair enough
I was thinking maybe [[Endless Evil]] -- though it's a cool card and fun for casual -- and/or [[The Meathook Massacre]] (it's just a board wipe with a bit of life manipulation, and the board wipe half is pretty inefficient in terms of mana)
static spire
[[Rite of Consumption]] has been moderately dead but SOMEDAY I will draw it alongside [[Consuming Aberration]] and everyone will fear me
zealous ferry
I can also just be really wrong!
static spire
I can also just be really wrong!
I really appreciate your perspective, you always provide unusual perspectives and it helps a lot even when I disagree in some places -- which is much more valuable to me than "generic" answers that I get in a lot of other circles 😂 "Cut X it's bad" is something I hear a lot elsewhere.
zealous ferry
😅
I don't know why my brain works like it does but I'm glad it's occasionally helpful
I wish I could say it was the first time I was told I have "unusual" perspectives on decks. Last time that was also accompanied by saying my decks were also wacky though. So that's a step up.
zealous ferry
I know. I think the other person did too. I just see the decks like computer programs.
static spire
oh?
zealous ferry
When I ask about a card or deck area it's because it felt like it hung up.
And it may not be the card. It could be that I'm missing an interaction or it's lead-up into the card.
static spire
It turns out that I was running 101 cards for whatever reason
For now, I've cut Meathook Massacre, Rite of Consumption, and Spellweaver Volute in favor of the two new Wilds of Eldraine cards.
I'll see how it all plays out!
zealous ferry
Spellweaver was one I noticed but thought it could be a meta thing. I just have never tried to get it to work
static spire
I just want to find a deck where it works 😂
It's such a bizarrely cool card
But today may not be that day
I don't think I run enough sorceries
zealous ferry
Just because you can enchantment opponent spells
static spire
And "instants in graveyard" is a bit narrow since a lot of the most stealable spells (such as extra turns) are sorceries 😦
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static spire
I've had a chance to test the Horrors deck a bit more, and man I am in love with [[Uchuulon]]
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zealous ferry
K'rrick does the most for you on the horror/phyrexian overlap side of things
Gallowbraid and Morinfen though?
static spire
You know what's bizarre in this deck?
I'm not always the threat
very weird feeling lol
I didn't know that my opponents were allowed to use removal on each other 🤔
static spire
Further update: Agatha's Soul Cauldron is very much not worth it here
Meathook Massacre is going back in for now
I'm weirdly tempted by [[Virtue of Knowledge]]. I don't have that many ETBs (though I often steal ETBs) but I've got a lot of triggered abilities I could copy with the spell half 🤔
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Enchantment
If a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Vantress Visions
Instant — Adventure
Copy target activated or triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
zealous ferry
I'm glad I was right on that >_< (agatha's)
Virtue of KNowledge I could see being worth it
You know the instant is going to have targets
the captain's triggered ability
The second half you don't have to cast unless you get abilities that care about it
The Captain even has 2 triggered abilities to choose from
[[Captain N'ghathrod]]
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zealous ferry
So you can double the mill or you can double the end step trigger
static spire
yep!
That was my thought
Plus I believe it can duplicate [[Animate Dead]] and friends
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zealous ferry
One of the things would die wouldn't it?
Two would be animated with one aura and then one would die
static spire
Ah, but you see
The things are only sacrificed when Animate Dead leaves the battlefield
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static spire
Yeah, this should work too.
Either way, it's good to have a few slots which I can upgrade later
Ehehehehe
You know what I get to copy with [[Vantress Visions]]?
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Enchantment
If a permanent entering the battlefield causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
Vantress Visions
Instant — Adventure
Copy target activated or triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
static spire
The Replicate cost on [[Psionic Ritual]]
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static spire
Two would be animated with one aura and then one would die
I was wrong about Animate Dead's double ETB doing anything, by the way, once I looked closer -- it can only return the single card it was enchanting, so it can't pick a different one for the second trigger. But [[Necromancy]] does work.
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zealous ferry
OK, also glad I read Animate Dead correctly
static spire
Nah, we both read it wrong 😂
zealous ferry
Do you think you need 3 copies of the effect with [[Dance of the Dead]]?
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When Dance of the Dead enters the battlefield, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Dance of the Dead." Put enchanted creature card onto the battlefield tapped under your control and attach Dance of the Dead to it. When Dance of the Dead leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.
At the beginning of the upkeep of enchanted creature's controller, that player may pay . If the player does, untap that creature.
static spire
It doesn't bring two things back period.
zealous ferry
Since it comes back tapped
static spire
Do you think you need 3 copies of the effect with [[Dance of the Dead]]?
Honestly, I just really like super cheap reanimation spells which can also hit stuff opponents have in GY.
And there's a lot of creatures in my deck which only care about the static or ETB abilities -- [[Hullbreaker Horror]] comes to mind.
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static spire
Okay, for now -- Meathook Massacre and Virtue of Persistance OUT, Mystic Remora and Virtue of Knowledge IN.
And if I ever acquire a copy of [[Cover of Darkness]] that'll probably go in over one of these.
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static spire
cracks knuckles
Okay, how are we building this?
Here's the current Calix list I'm piloting: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Z2ncRwIRXkCVlTemWtYo7Q
I'm making a forked list with just the stuff that works well for Yenna
zealous ferry
So [[Crown of Skemfar]] and [[Presence of Gond]] are two I mentioned in the preview channel that may be too cute but feel like they're worth mentioning
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each Elf you control and has reach.
: Return Crown of Skemfar from your graveyard to your hand.
Lathril, queen of the ancient Einir, left a powerful legacy for her mortal descendants.
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has ": Create a 1/1 green Elf Warrior creature token."
"Here lies Gond, hero of Safehold Taldwen. May he ever guide our quest."
zealous ferry
[[Three Blind Mice]]
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static spire
Oh, that's brilliant!
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static spire
Token doublers didn't prove to be very good in Calix, but they might be better here
zealous ferry
How does she interact with [[Illusionist's Bracers]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever an ability of equipped creature is activated, if it isn't a mana ability, copy that ability. You may choose new targets for the copy.
Equip
It's easy to believe you're a god when you're twice as powerful as everyone else.
zealous ferry
She just makes 2 tokens of different enchantments right?
static spire
Correct
zealous ferry
[[Ondu Spirit Dancer]]
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static spire
[[Ondu Spirit Dancer]]
Pass on that one, it's just too much mana
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has double strike.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, you may put an Aura card from your hand onto the battlefield attached to it.
Equip
Divine light forged in steel.
static spire
My biggest 'concern' is that Calix got very... solitaire
zealous ferry
Danitha is the same amount and the two other hand to battlefield for auras in Selesnya cost more.
Mm
I think the question is, how much do you want to engage in convoke
static spire
convoke? why?
zealous ferry
[[Siona]]
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zealous ferry
[[Siona|TBD]]
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zealous ferry
[[Wand of the Worldsoul]]
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Artifact
Wand of the Worldsoul enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
: The next spell you cast this turn has convoke.
"May Mat'Selesnya bind our hearts as one." —Selesnya prayer
zealous ferry
[[Bennie Bracks]] in this case at least has a reason instead of Ephara because no U
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of each end step, if you created a token this turn, draw a card.
His enthusiastic curiosity puts even the most fearsome of beasts at ease.
3/2
zealous ferry
Oh is it finally time for [[Nomad Mythmaker]]
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Creature — Human Nomad Cleric
, : Put target Aura card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control attached to a creature you control.
On the wild steppes, history vanishes in the dust. Only the mythmakers remain to say what was, and is, and will be.
2/2
zealous ferry
huh...
static spire
(Stand by, I'm messing with that second list I posted, the one which clones the Calix build)
zealous ferry
What happens with Bestow creatures
Like, I know [[Celestial Archon]] costs the earth
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Enchantment Creature — Archon
Bestow 
(If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached to a creature.)
Flying, first strike
Enchanted creature gets +4/+4 and has flying and first strike.
4/4
zealous ferry
Ignore that. Layers would mean it's a creature and she wouldn't untap.
green plover
[[Invasion of Shandalar]]
green plover
If you want to play around with Battles, copying Leyline Surge can be VERY spicy and it's normal side also works as graveyard recursion.
[[Long List of the Ents]] Could be very funny too XD. But only if you run a variety of different creature types.
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green plover
[[Myth Unbound]] could be an interestng option if you expect your Commander to be removed and want to maintain some value/advantage, copying it at least once will basically cancel out the first Commander Tax.
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Enchantment
Your commander costs less to cast for each time it's been cast from the command zone this game.
Whenever your commander is put into the command zone from anywhere, draw a card.
There are precious few names that echo throughout the Multiverse.
static spire
[[Myth Unbound]] could be an interestng option if you expect your Commander to b...
Definitely a good point!
This is where the list is now
zealous ferry
What are your thoughts on [[Krosan Restorer]]
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Creature — Human Druid
: Untap target land.
Threshold — : Untap up to three target lands. Activate only if seven or more cards are in your graveyard.
1/2
zealous ferry
When you do the update for City of Death do you think you'd make it Eldraine Themed or Dominaria?
static spire
Oh, I already did it!
It’s Kaldheim themed actually
Hey, you know what's fun with [[Yenna]]?
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Créature : insecte et druide
: Ajoutez à votre réserve.
Semez des souhaits, et vous récolterez des bénédictions. —Enseignement nantuko.
1/2
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static spire
[[Overwhelming Splendor]] being the most expensive
Yeah, I'm considering that, [[Curse of Silence]], and [[Curse of Exhaustion]]
timber mesaBOT
Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
As Curse of Silence enters the battlefield, choose a card name.
Spells with the chosen name enchanted player casts cost more to cast.
Whenever enchanted player casts a spell with the chosen name, you may sacrifice Curse of Silence. If you do, draw a card.
static spire
[[Curse of Bounty]] is on the possibility list as well, but not intended to be copied -- it's more to get an additional use of my mana dorks and my commander
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static spire
(God, if only my commander could be used at instant speed 😭 )
Curse of Silence is particularly cute, though, because once it gets sacrificed (and thus I draw) I can copy it again with my commander for 2 mana
Name two people's commanders, then use it again afterward
Sagas are also very good with this new commander, because as long as the original and copy are on different levels she can keep a saga around forever
If only I had more things to tutor with [[Urza's Saga]]...
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Enchantment Land — Urza's Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Urza's Saga gains ": Add 
."
II — Urza's Saga gains ", : Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with 'This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control.'"
III — Search your library for an artifact card with mana cost 
or , put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
static spire
Oh hey, here's an idea
[[Weight of Conscience]]
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static spire
Sucky card, to be clear
But it's an aura which automatically "sacrifices" itself
So I can keep cloning it repeatedly (bypassing that restriction)
How dare people call me out in other servers 😂
zealous ferry
[[Calming Verse]]
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static spire
Also, copying over from the other server -- I fecking hate that [[Fight the Fight]] is actually nutty here.
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static spire
But I don't want to debase myself by playing stickers.
static spire
Hahahahaha
Oh my god, I had a game where I went:
- T1 Sol Ring
- T2 Yenna
- T3 Anointed Procession, get 2 more copies of Anointed Procession
- T4 Sage's Reverie, make 8 more copies of Sage's Reverie, draw 73 total cards, swing with an 85/85 commander
I love this deck already.
zealous ferry
So... you're running cloudstone in this right?
zealous ferry
OK good. Thought about extra implications for the copies and bouncing the original
static spire
(For now, testing Agatha's Soul Cauldron & Court of Garrenbrig over See Double and Ozolith the Shattered Spire in Roalesk.)
zealous ferry
👍
zealous ferry
So the commander deck for Selesnya is up.
There are some cards that may be relevant to this deck.
static spire
So the commander deck for Selesnya is up.
I saw. Unfortunately I don't think there's anything I need here (apart from the commander) 😦 Lemme go through them one by one...
This one is pretty overcosted and doesn't give any effects I care about.
This could be neat as a way to dig, I suppose, but I'm not sure what slot it would earn...
I can't reliably control the death trigger here.
This is a cool card for some other decks, but has nothing to do with auras.
See the previous commentary.
zealous ferry
Songbird's Blessing is the one I thought might be worth it
zealous ferry
It's 4 though
static spire
It's 4 and only offers benefits on attack, though.
This is the only one I'm really considering... 🤔
zealous ferry
I was thinking that might be more likely because of Calix's effect
static spire
zealous ferry
Yep
static spire
This actually seems pretty lethal actually.
zealous ferry
It woudl be. 3 isn't hard
zealous ferry
Especcially with commander's ability
static spire
Especcially with commander's ability
yeah, [[Yenna]] makes it very easy to stack the auras
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
, : Choose target enchantment you control that doesn't have the same name as another permanent you control. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it isn't legendary. If the token is an Aura, untap Yenna, Redtooth Regent, then scry 2. Activate only as a sorcery.
"My people are both bloom and thorn."
4/4
zealous ferry
SO that card feels like it's very specific to some commanders
static spire
My main issue with Songbirds' Blessing is that I don't think I'll actually be attacking that often?
zealous ferry
Yeah, as I said, it seemed like more of a possibility because of Calix
But also as not the commander it does refocus things
static spire
@zealous ferry If I were to cut 1-2 cards for Songbirds' Blessing and/or Timber Paladin, what would you remove? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/walvZPnEGkCIJxDCOJ_Pyw
zealous ferry
one sec, need to get my lunch
static spire
I'm tentatively thinking of cutting Composer of Spring and/or Faith Unbroken. Keep all the mana values the same.
Curse of Bounty is another potential cut since it does nothing in duplicates.
zealous ferry
How many auras are you casting vs tutoring/cloning
static spire
How many auras are you casting vs tutoring/cloning
I run 39 auras currently, so I do cast them pretty frequently
Put another way, since my commander can't clone a specific aura more than once, I cast them and clone them almost exactly the same number of times
Since each aura gets cast, then copied
zealous ferry
I was trying to look at sram because constellation
But there will still be enough draw triggers to outweigh the lands or creatures probably
The spirit dancer is a beater if needed
So I could see cutting composer
static spire
I'm thinking to cut Composer, Faith Unbroken, and Curse of Bounty for Ancestral Mask plus the two new ones.
zealous ferry
Someone emailed Saffron olive about the fight the _ fight aura and Yenna interaction
static spire
Oh? Did it come up in a video?
Oh yeah I see the Twitter post
We came up with it first though 😂
static spire
I got to play [[Yenna, Redtooth Regent]] for the first time yesterday.
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Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
, : Choose target enchantment you control that doesn't have the same name as another permanent you control. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it isn't legendary. If the token is an Aura, untap Yenna, Redtooth Regent, then scry 2. Activate only as a sorcery.
"My people are both bloom and thorn."
4/4
static spire
I'd say it went well overall?
I lost the game... but only because I realized halfway through a big combo turn that I'd accidentally cheated, and voluntarily conceded.
The deck was definitely very relevant the whole game, while not being overpowering.
I definitely need to find a slot for [[Lightning Greaves]] and/or [[Concordant Crossroads]] though.
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has haste and shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equip
After lightning struck the cliffs, the ore became iron, the iron became steel, and the steel became greaves. The lightning never left.
static spire
[[Swift Reconfiguration]] doesn't quite do the job correctly, though it's still useful in its own right.
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static spire
Tentatively considering both of these in Yenna as well.
But for now I think that [[Weight of Conscience]] does the trick better.
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static spire
I really like self-removing auras, because they allow me to re-clone them repeatedly.
static spire
A further set of changes to Yenna, by the way:
ADD: Ethereal Armor, Slumbering Keepguard, Jaheira Friend of the Forest, Wirewood Lodge, Boseiju Who Endures, Femeref Enchantress, Devoted Druid
REMOVE: Ancestral Mask, Mox Amber, Crop Rotation, Enlightened Tutor, Worldly Tutor, Timber Paladin, Weathered Wayfarer
I decided I wanted to cut the tutors (excluding Light-Paws of course), to make the deck a bit less repetitive. I cut Mox Amber but increased my land count. I also increased my elf count to help support [[Elvish Guidance]], and while [[Ethereal Armor]] does less than [[Ancestral Mask]], it means I can make Light-Paws lethal with only Flickering Ward and Serra's Sanctum (or any other powerful source of 
).
Also, this opens up a new combo line with Yenna, Devoted Druid, and Fight the _ Fight!
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant land
Whenever enchanted land is tapped for mana, its controller adds an additional for each Elf on the battlefield.
"Old home never forgotten, new home ours forever."
static spire
Light-Paws + Yenna + Serra's Sanctum goes like this:
- Cast any 1-drop, tutor Flickering Ward.
- Flicker the Ward, tutor Nature's Chosen.
- Tap Sanctum, untap Sanctum.
- Use Yenna to clone Nature's Chosen.
- Tap Sanctum, untap Sanctum, tap Sanctum.
- Flicker the Ward to fetch Instill Energy and Ethereal Armor.
- Use Yenna to duplicate all my various auras.
- Light-Paws now has haste, first strike, protection from two colors of my choice, and a minimum of +16/+16 even if I control NO other enchantments.
static spire
Also!~ For the name of this deck -- "Red in Tooth and Paw", "Foxen Before Moxen", or something completely different?
zealous ferry
So it looks like Yenna is one of the werefox elves but she's probably the one uncursed one.
zealous ferry
Since it doesn't seem to have anything to do with her abilities. But it's funny to have the deck go from a fox to a human druid to an elf who's possibly also a fox who makes copies of the things the human cared about.
static spire
Since it doesn't seem to have anything to do with her abilities. But it's funny ...
It's orbiting around the fox
static spire
Huh. I'm running only two non-permanents in Yenna
I could legitimately make this a Primal Surge deck if I removed [[Rite of Harmony]] and [[Replenish]] 🤔
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Instant
Whenever a creature or enchantment enters the battlefield under your control this turn, draw a card.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
Nature bends to the witches' call.
glacial cradle
Do you ramp enough for that to be effective?
And do you win off of Primal Surge resolving
static spire
Do you ramp enough for that to be effective?
Yes
static spire
And do you win off of Primal Surge resolving
Yes
The issue is more that Primal Surge is extremely boring
sage cloak
The issue is more that Primal Surge is *extremely boring*
Well, maybe just do it once and then go back to what you had?
static spire
I feel like there's something very stupid I can do with Yenna and [[Minimus Containment]], since it's an aura which removes itself and something else, generating a mana in bargain.
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant nonland permanent
Enchanted permanent is a Treasure artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color," and it loses all other abilities. (If it was a creature, it's no longer a creature.)
static spire
Maybe with [[Nature's Chosen]]?
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature you control
: Untap enchanted creature. Activate only during your turn and only once each turn.
Tap enchanted creature: Untap target artifact, creature, or land. Activate only if enchanted creature is white and untapped and only once each turn.
static spire
Tap Yenna to make a copy of Nature's Chosen, use the token copy to untap a land which generates a bunch of mana, use Yenna to copy Minimus Confinement and enchant the Nature's Chosen, sacrifice, repeat?
jovial tinsel
#custom-cards message @static spire how does this work?
static spire
https://discord.com/channels/675113113934364683/760284143178219540/1144875276082...
What do you mean?
jovial tinsel
infinite copies of fight the _ fight?
static spire
infinite copies of fight the _ fight?
Ah! Yes.
The name change isn't copiable, you see.
So let's say that you play "Fight the _ Fight" and stick some random word into that gap. Let's use "Good" as an example.
Now you can copy the new version ("Fight the Good Fight") because there's nothing with the same name.
You make another, but you still don't own one named "Fight the Good Fight" (since the name change isn't copiable)
jovial tinsel
ahhh
static spire
So you can keep copying the "Fight the Good Fight" because you'll never have another with the same name
jovial tinsel
that’s awesome
static spire
However, you can only actually fight something nine times (you'll run out of stickers unless they're getting bounced somehow)
And you can only get the +0/+2 boost six times (maximum of six "long" words with 8+ letters among legal sticker sheets)
But you can get as many auras as you want
jovial tinsel
lmfao imagine showing up to commander night with a full dictionary
static spire
lmfao imagine showing up to commander night with a full dictionary
Unfortunately, playing rules-as-written, you're capped by the existing sticker sheets 😂
jovial tinsel
that’s less funny
static spire
Hence the annotation of "six or less" on my custom version
static spire
Hey, want to hear a cursed sentence from the newest EDH primer I'm writing?
As of the writing of this primer, there are 25,554 cards legal in commander. We want to make each of them cost 1000 mana extra, so we’ll need 51,108,000 copies of [[Curse of Silence]] to name each one 500 times, and ensure that our opponents can never cast spells again.
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Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
As Curse of Silence enters the battlefield, choose a card name.
Spells with the chosen name enchanted player casts cost more to cast.
Whenever enchanted player casts a spell with the chosen name, you may sacrifice Curse of Silence. If you do, draw a card.
static spire
"This is easily accomplished with a mere 26 copies of Anointed Procession."
glacial cradle
Wow
Does that account for the fact that you need to enchant each of your opponents
glacial cradle
That's a hilarious hard lock
static spire
Also, if they still cast one of those cards somehow, you get to draw your deck 😂
static spire
That's a hilarious hard lock
glacial cradle
They gotta like, use an activated ability to reanimate Bane of Progress
static spire
They gotta like, use an activated ability to reanimate Bane of Progress
For what it's worth, this is AFTER we exile all their nonland permanents 😂
glacial cradle
Ah, I see
static spire
But by god, when they [[Havengul Laboratory]] into Bane of Progress, I'll be regretting my choices 😂
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Land
: Add .
, : Investigate. (Create a colorless Clue artifact token with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
At the beginning of your end step, if you sacrificed three or more Clues this turn, transform Havengul Laboratory.
Havengul Mystery
Legendary Land
When this land transforms into Havengul Mystery, return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
When the creature put onto the battlefield with Havengul Mystery leaves the battlefield, transform Havengul Mystery.
, Pay 1 life: Add .
glacial cradle
Just a few +1/+1 counters
static spire
"I'll swing with my 51,108,000/51,108,000 Bane of Progress"
"In response, [[Swift Reconfiguration]]" lol
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glacial cradle
Damn, not even a swords to plowshares?
static spire
I actually don't run Swords here!
I don't really... play at instant speed in this deck 😂
jovial tinsel
is this in yenna?
static spire
is this in yenna?
Swift Reconfiguration? Yes, it is!
static spire
I'm trying to think of a short quote and image to open my Yenna primer with -- any ideas?
static spire
If you can find a high-resolution of the new showcase Parallel Lives I would be forever indebted
glacial cradle
Is she connected to the werefoxes?
static spire
To give an example of what I mean -- I often create something like this, at the start of my primer
static spire
Is she connected to the werefoxes?
As far as anyone can tell, yes -- she rules the castle which is the heart of the curse
glacial cradle
Ah, I see.
green plover
Ohhhhhh so Yenna is Belle
static spire
No, I think that [[Syr the Redeemer]] is Belle
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static spire
As far as I know, Yenna (or collectively, the elves of her castle) are The Beast
green plover
And I saw someone saying Armont was a guy on their Wilds article today XD
static spire
There's definitely some nice werefox art, if I just want to use one of these
I found this one, but I couldn't find the art from [[Defense of the Heart | WOT]]
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green plover
'Gather the rose of love whilst yet is time'- Edmund Spencer 'The Faerie Queen'
static spire
'Gather the rose of love whilst yet is time'- Edmund Spencer 'The Faerie Queen'
Ooooo, that's not bad!
I like that 🤔
zealous ferry
No, I think that [[Syr the Redeemer]] is Belle
That's what Chris Mooney said at the PPR.
I'm trying to find the part in the video where they said it.
static spire
I was thinking something like this
zealous ferry
OK it's at 6hrs 55min in https://youtu.be/d-Pvu1HlRBU?si=94qBzBYxmHZJpb3s
But it's also involving other members of Syr Armont's expedition falling in love with the werefoxes too.
So there are multiple romances.
static spire
But it's also involving other members of Syr Armont's expedition falling in love...
I can only approve of this
zealous ferry
I thought you would want to know
static spire
I finally finished my primer for Yenna's Enchantment Pile, anyone want to give it a quick read-through? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Z2ncRwIRXkCVlTemWtYo7Q/primer
zealous ferry
So, on the part about auratog, what about [[glimmerbairn]]?
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zealous ferry
It's 1 less to cast and hits all tokens, not just enchantments
static spire
It's 1 less to cast and hits all tokens, not just enchantments
That's an interesting idea!
Thank you, I had forgotten that card existed
If I choose to include one of these cards, I think that Glimmer Bairn would be my second choice -- [[Faith Healer]] would be my first choice, on account of giving a useful benefit when I sacrifice things.
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static spire
@frail quarry https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Z2ncRwIRXkCVlTemWtYo7Q/primer
This is the primer we were talking about 🙂
static spire
Thanks, hope you enjoy it!
vast vale
Great Googly moogly you weaponized lightpaws further o.o
static spire
Great Googly moogly you weaponized lightpaws **further** o.o
Someday I'll show up with 5C God-Mode Light-Paws
sage cloak
Someday I'll show up with 5C God-Mode Light-Paws
Prismatic-paws
vast vale
Food for thought, how would you do a lightpaws aura engine with [[Eriette of the Charmed Apple]]
timber mesaBOT
vast vale
Granted copying is near non existent in these colors
static spire
Food for thought, how would you do a lightpaws aura engine with [[Eriette of th...
I think that could be a very cool deck -- especially by tutoring lockdown auras onto Paws herself, then moving them with things like [[cloudstone curio]] or [[kitsune mystic]]
timber mesaBOT
Creature — Fox Wizard
At the beginning of the end step, if Kitsune Mystic is enchanted by two or more Auras, flip it.
2/3
Autumn-Tail, Kitsune Sage
Legendary Creature — Fox Wizard
: Attach target Aura attached to a creature to another creature.
4/5
vast vale
[[$cloudstone kurio]]
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vast vale
O.o
static spire
Note to self
Need to add [[Necropotence]] and [[Ashiok Wicked Manipulator]] to Teysa
static spire
I know I’m a little late to this revelation, but I just realized that Necro exiles all the stuff I discard — so the -7 is actually useful here instead of being useless
And if a walker has an Ult I can utilize and makes tokens, that’s the golden ticket for Teysa super friends
zealous ferry
Does that work the way you want?
static spire
I wasn’t sold on Ashiok for the +1 and -2, but if I can use all 4 abilities I’m sold
zealous ferry
It just exiles the card to ashiok, not to necropotence
static spire
I know
I’m expressing that Ashiok + Necro reads “exile half your library (to Ashiok) then Necro the other half, and once you discard at EOT suddenly your whole deck minus 7 cards is in exile”
“Which then becomes lethal with the -7”
zealous ferry
So you're playing necro when you get Ashiok to 7 or 8
I'm just used to playing Necro early
static spire
I could still play Necro early
I think I can protect Ashiok
Anyway my flight is about to take off
But when I draw half my deck I may get Yawgmoth, Teferi’s Protection, Clever Concealment, etc
Which makes it much easier
neon shore
So Necropotence's discard is a triggered ability so the cards would still hit the yard first
static spire
Sure, that’s not an issue
neon shore
You can use something like [[Currency Converter]] to get use out of them
timber mesaBOT
Artifact
Whenever you discard a card, you may exile that card from your graveyard.
, : Draw a card, then discard a card.
: Put a card exiled with Currency Converter into your graveyard. If it's a land card, create a Treasure token. If it's a nonland card, create a 2/2 black Rogue creature token.
zealous ferry
[[Asmodeus the Archfiend]] is unfortunately expensive
timber mesaBOT
Legendary Creature — Devil God
Binding Contract — If you would draw a card, exile the top card of your library face down instead.
: Draw seven cards.
: Return all cards exiled with Asmodeus the Archfiend to their owner's hand and you lose that much life.
6/6
zealous ferry
Asmodeus at least gives you a hand of cards if needed
But also puts cards in exile
static spire
Asmodeus doesn’t pay life anyway
static spire
hmm maybe Bolas's Citadel?
I definitely have considered Citadel before to be fair
static spire
True!
zealous ferry
Obviously the life pay has more synergy, but being able to have cards on standby seems not terrible?
static spire
I think that adding Citadel + Ashiok + Necro is something I want to experiment with
Also Dark Ritual over Mana Vault (just for fairness' sake, and for those lovely T1 Dark Rit --> Necro / Black Market Connections)
Are there any other really good "pay life" cards, particularly ones which do so without a mana payment (or replacing a mana payment)?
zealous ferry
[[Mana Confluence]]
timber mesaBOT
Land
, Pay 1 life: Add one mana of any color.
Five rivers encircle Theros, flowing with waters more ancient than the world itself.
static spire
I've considered [[Defiler of Faith]] before, might add it back in -- though now I'm needing some extra ways to GAIN life, sigh
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Creature — Phyrexian Human
Vigilance
As an additional cost to cast white permanent spells, you may pay 2 life. Those spells cost less to cast if you paid life this way. This effect reduces only the amount of white mana you pay.
Whenever you cast a white permanent spell, create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token.
5/5
zealous ferry
Do you have [[Sorin Vengeful Bloodlord]] in it?
timber mesaBOT
static spire
Do you have [[Sorin Vengeful Bloodlord]] in it?
I don't, I never found him to be THAT good honestly 🤔 I'd run [[Teysa Karlov]] before him, I think
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static spire
Now I need six cuts, help 😂 https://www.moxfield.com/decks/3Vm_imDyY0ic0T-O14lbdw
All the stuff I added is pretty high-cmc, so I should probably cut some stuff on the higher end of my mana range (23 mana among 6 cards)
zealous ferry
Rabble Rousing?
nm that suggestion
Brain reminded me of math
:/ I just realized Black Market Connections turns off Ophiomancer
That's what was bothering me
[[Ophiomancer]] [[Black Market Connections]]
zealous ferry
Is [[Combat Calligrapher]] too group hug at this point?
timber mesaBOT
static spire
But I'm trying to look at the floor.
If the tokens weren't black AND white I'd say yes. But there's really not a lot of ways to make black-white tokens en masse
zealous ferry
Right! That was the part of them.
OH!
[[Glass Casket Heart]] that's one of the pay life cards I was trying to remember
timber mesaBOT
Artifact
Whenever one or more Vampires you control attack, create a Blood token. (It's an artifact with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
, , Pay 1 life: Create a 1/1 white and black Vampire creature token with lifelink.
, , Sacrifice Glass-Cast Heart and thirteen Blood tokens: Each opponent loses 13 life and you gain 13 life.
zealous ferry
I was trying to remember the token generators
static spire
I've found four cuts -- Archangel Elspeth, Liliana Heretical Healer, Lord Skitter Sewer King, Mana Vault -- but I need to think of two more 🤔
green plover
Out of Time/Body Count/Grim Hireling maybe?
static spire
Note to self – Magic to-dos before Vegas event in two weeks:
- Finish cuts to Teysa, update them in paper, and test
- Return Wort to a more casual state (remove Cradle etc)
- Find slots for Arcane Adaptation & Maskwood Nexus in Captain N'gathrod, possibly also Phyrexian Obliterator
- Modify Yenna to be a little less linear, and update primer to include the new combo I discovered yesterday
- Acquire remaining cards from Eldraine, blink-focused changes for Avacyn, and anything else I'm missing from recent updates
- Do I actually build Ob Nixilis Treasure Tribal, or do I stick with Kroxa due to running out of time???
- Update Hapatra for the modern cEDH meta, and rebuild Vadrok cEDH if I have time
sage cloak
I yearn for the day to be able to afford to go to a magic event
glacial cradle
I hope to get a chance to fight the decks I have watched daed create
sage cloak
I just wanna meet a bunch of potential friends and say hi to some content creators
static spire
I hope to get a chance to fight the decks I have watched daed create
You coming to Vegas?
glacial cradle
Yeah!
static spire
Had some spare time today, so I reworked Yenna pretty heavily
ADD: Jukai Naturalist, Magus of the Candelabra, Sigarda's Aid, Ancestral Mask, Portent Tracker, Aura Shards, Voyaging Satyr, Alseid of Life's Bounty, Concordant Crossroads, Candelabra of Tawnos
REMOVE: Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Elvish Archivist, Femeref Enchantress, Aura of Silence, Songbirds' Blessing, Weight of Conscience, Swift Reconfiguration, Rite of Harmony
I'm going much heavier on the "untap land with a bunch of auras" theme here, which required a lot of the elfball stuff to get the axe
Rite of Harmony is a crazy good card, BUT it was kinda risky since there's no way to turn the draw OFF -- and so trying to combo off may kill me
zealous ferry
Yeah, may can be an important word when comboing.
vast vale
Not sure if [[Quirion Ranger]] is in your list or not yet.
timber mesaBOT
static spire
Not sure if [[Quirion Ranger]] is in your list or not yet.
.....good point! Darn, now I need one more slot.
zealous ferry
[[Wirewood Symbiote]] can save commander
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vast vale
This is true, however Elves have been diminished for non commander bounces
zealous ferry
There are 6 elves including commander (missed arbor elf)
vast vale
6 seems doable but a feels one off personally, then again variance is the spice of life 😄
static spire
[[Wirewood Symbiote]] can save commander
I did consider that for a while, but since I significantly removed my elfball themes I cut it again
static spire
Bouncing my commander is better than having her die, of course, but since her only ability is a tap ability it's still bad to bounce her
zealous ferry
Other option. Find room for [[Ashaya]] gain partial immunity from Cyclonic rift and also have Quirion ranger (mostly joking)
timber mesaBOT
glacial cradle
How many of your decks do you have in paper Daed? I know you play online a lot.
static spire
How many of your decks do you have in paper Daed? I know you play online a lot.
Eight of my decks are in paper -- Avacyn, Hapatra, Teysa, Wort, Kroxa, Yenna, Captain N'gathrod, Roalesk
glacial cradle
Nice
static spire
Final changes to Teysa, pending testing:
ADD:
- Ajani, Strength of the Pride
- Bitter Ordeal
- Bolas's Citadel
- Dark Ritual
- Necropotence
- Ashiok, Wicked Manipulator
- Beseech the Mirror
- Teysa Karlov
REMOVE:
- Chivalric Alliance (it enabled an infinite combo, and I don't want any in this deck)
- Liliana, Heretical Healer (too hard to flip, too low impact on the planeswalker side)
- Mana Vault (I wanted to cut fast mana, and Dark Ritual is more "socially acceptable")
- Grand Crescendo (just kinda low-impact in some cases, unless I'm already winning)
- Lord Skitter, Sewer King (I don't like that the tokens naturally can't block...)
- Archangel Elspeth (also low impact, since I almost never use her two minus modes)
- Morbid Opportunist (I no longer need so many 3-cmc humans since I'm off Pyre)
- Pyre of Heroes (it was just too janky, especially when I needed to sac Teysa)
static spire
Also Tegwyll's Scouring over Attrition
glacial cradle
[[Attrition]]
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Enchantment
, Sacrifice a creature: Destroy target nonblack creature.
"I will trade life for life with the insurgents. Our resources, unlike theirs, are limitless." —Davvol, Evincar of Rath
glacial cradle
Continues to yo-yo in and out
static spire
Yeah…
It’s really strong, but not necessarily in a fun way
If I didn’t have a gorgeous foil, it would be an easier choice
Also, got to play three games today — one with Teysa, one with Avacyn, and one with Yenna. Lost them all but still had fun — Citadel is hilarious in Teysa but got me killed (because I forgot about Crypt and died to the flip, welp). Avacyn took over the game but I flubbed a tutor and the combo player won at 2 life. The Yenna game my entire board got erased twice but I nearly got there anyway. In all cases I’m happy with how the decks felt to pilot — the decks were strong, I was the weak link lmao
green plover
That's good that you are growing and demonstrating your awesomeness though.
static spire
Before I forget, I want to fit Lapse of Certainty into Avacyn
green plover
Sounds like a good plan.
static spire
@frail quarry https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Z2ncRwIRXkCVlTemWtYo7Q
static spire
It's proving to be extremely fun
frail quarry
I can bet!!
ohhhhhhhh I'm reading the primer and I'm really tempted to build a version of this deck hmhmhmhmhm
static spire
I can *bet*!!
It's the first deck I've ever seen where the wincon can be "make 10^12 copies of [[Curse of Silence]] and tax every commander-legal card in the game by 1000 extra mana" 😂
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Enchantment — Aura Curse
Enchant player
As Curse of Silence enters the battlefield, choose a card name.
Spells with the chosen name enchanted player casts cost more to cast.
Whenever enchanted player casts a spell with the chosen name, you may sacrifice Curse of Silence. If you do, draw a card.
frail quarry
It's the first deck I've ever seen where the wincon can be "make 10^12 copies of...
...
w o a h
THATS SO COOL
Reading the bit at the end about the maybeboard/cut cards (I read fast)
you're telling me I can play GW storm??? say less
just need to get a few more gigs lined up before I can feel comfortable about making magic purchases
static spire
~~just need to get a few more gigs lined up before I can feel comfortable about ...
Once you get the chance to make purchases again, I hope I've inspired you 😉
zealous ferry
There are other GW storm decks. Or at least once seen people do it with Hamza
frail quarry
I always really enjoy building decks in nonconventional colors - some of my favorite decks atm are Esper Lands and Jund Wheels
Selesnya Storm seems absolutely up my alley
frail quarry
Once you get the chance to make purchases again, I hope I've inspired you 😉
Ab sol luetly!
Yeah, I'm sure something will come around soon. I work in theatre, someone is always going to need hands for something or other, but thank you.
I'm excited to start brewing/building
static spire
I always really enjoy building decks in nonconventional colors - some of my favo...
I've played multiple storm decks (or variants on storm decks) in Izzet, Selesnya, Simic, Rakdos, and Dimir 😅 It's totally doable!
static spire
I'm thinking of building [[Narset, Enlightened Exile]] as either white-blue or blue-red, does anyone have builds like this?
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static spire
Or any cards which have been outstanding in general for Narset?
vast vale
[[Pull from Eternity]] is always a fun one for extending plays
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zealous ferry
[[Mizzix Replica Rider]]
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Legendary Creature — Goblin Wizard
Flying
Whenever you cast a spell from anywhere other than your hand, you may pay 
. If you do, copy that spell and you may choose new targets for the copy. If the copy is a permanent spell, it gains haste and "At the beginning of your end step, sacrifice this permanent." (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
4/5
zealous ferry
[[Fractured Sanity]]
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Sorcery
Each opponent mills fourteen cards.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle Fractured Sanity, each opponent mills four cards.
The body grows stronger under stress. The mind does not.
zealous ferry
Basically you can cycle it and then cast it from your graveyard with an early attack giving you fuel for future ones.
Because of prowess Isochron/Reversal is sort of Overrun.
[[Synthesis Pod]] is one that's been pretty good for mine.
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Artifact
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
, , Exile a spell you control: Target opponent reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a card with mana value equal to 1 plus the exiled spell's mana value. Exile that card, then that player shuffles. You may cast that exiled card without paying its mana cost.
zealous ferry
Since you control the spell cast with Narset's ability, even if you don't own the card, you can exile it from the stack to get something else from the same opponent or a different one.
If you're staying in Izzet, [[Neera Wild Mage]] has been good, along similar lines.
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zealous ferry
Obviously it doesn't work for the copy, but it works well in the later game if you need more fuel.
It also gives you two prowess triggers.
[[Sword Coast Sailor]]
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zealous ferry
Mizzix doesn't make additional prowess triggers, but I've found her to be really useful, especially if I'm using the Pod.
ocean tree
I'm thinking of building [[Narset, Enlightened Exile]] as either white-blue or b...
My build is very close to just being UR
White is very much the splash color
the white cards i am playing bang tho
zealous ferry
For reference, mine is pretty split across red and white for secondary colors. Also apologies for it not being as refined as it could be https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IkequC1TZkatojtdyy4z4g
Taigam is one I keep forgetting to put in. He's a good call.
ocean tree
i love that you're running royal scions
i adore that card
wish i could play it somewhere
zealous ferry
The option of giving Narset first strike/trample and +2 power or looting just seemed to fit here.
I also am looking at my list and I think the only reason young pyromancer isn't in mine is I couldn't find a copy.
ocean tree
I was wondering that but thought you omitted it because its only instants and sorceries
zealous ferry
It may have been that, but I have Talrand
I don't know if it was because I felt the flyers were better.
ocean tree
pz being two mana cheaper i think puts it above talrand
zealous ferry
I'm pretty sure it's just because I couldn't find a copy.
The goal of my deck is to ideally make every token in it a copy of Narset
And then cast a single cantrip.
Same with why Jeska and Akroma's wills aren't in it
I also highly recommend Counterbalance if you can get your hands on one. It gives you some additional counterspell opportunities without being a dud hit.
ocean tree
Love counterbalance, but not in decks that can't consistently clear the top
Mine is basically a port of Blitz decks from other formats
My countermagic is just to keep my board alive. i aint controlling anything
zealous ferry
That's part of why I built in some more copies of effects that should let me clear the top.
static spire
These are all great thoughts, thank you.
Blue-red certainly seems stronger, but I'm concerned it'll become "yet another generic Breach pile"
How big do you find Narset normally getting?
zealous ferry
4/5 pre-attack is fairly normal early on
static spire
I'm surprised to not see Narset players using [[O-Naginata]] from what I've seen.
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Artifact — Equipment
O-Naginata can be attached only to a creature with power 3 or greater.
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 and has trample.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
zealous ferry
I thought about it, but worried about the equip window for some reason
Like more people react to you equipping than going to combat.
As weird as that sounds.
Opponents react to the twins too but they do other stuff than just buff for combat.
I think it's because if they (opponent) can win in combat it's better than if they have to spend a card but view negating the mana spent for equips or the planeswalker activation as being more disruptive.
I think the highest I've had her get without a super large board state before combat is a power of 7 or 8.
It was like her + balmor and 2-3 cantrips
The coolest play was I cast a Wayfarer's Bauble late game, transmuted it with Neera, hit Mizzix, attacked then cast/copied Vindicate exiled from an opponent's graveyard.
I know transmute is a specific mechanic but I don't know how to best describe what Neera does otherwise.
zealous ferry
Blue-red certainly seems *stronger*, but I'm concerned it'll become "yet another...
I sort of feel like if you do an azorius build you lean into lifegain
So [[The Archimandrite]] and maybe even [[Will Kenrith, Scion]]
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Legendary Planeswalker — Will
+2: Until your next turn, up to two target creatures each have base power and toughness 0/3 and lose all abilities.
−2: Target player draws two cards. Until your next turn, instant, sorcery, and planeswalker spells that player casts cost less to cast.
−8: Target player gets an emblem with "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy."
Partner with Rowan Kenrith
Will Kenrith can be your commander.
Loyalty: 4
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Vigilance
: Spells you cast this turn that are white and/or blue cost 
less to cast, where X is the amount of life you gained this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
"It's easy to cry 'For glory!' and charge those who disagree with you. But it takes finesse to turn enemies into allies rather than corpses."
2/4
static spire
So! I have to update my various decks before Vegas (which was, oddly enough, the original purpose of this thread when I began it a year ago).
Yenna is doing well, but still needs a few tweaks to add more protection for Yenna herself. I also want to find a slot for [[Ondu Spiritdancer]] as well, since I can reasonably cast him and he's another way to do Yenna shenanigans if I can't get her to stick.
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static spire
Is there anything from Wilds of Eldraine that you'd stick into a landfall / Gruul spellslinger deck, personally?
frail quarry
[[questing druid]]?
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Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you cast a spell that's white, blue, black, or red, put a +1/+1 counter on Questing Druid.
1/1
Seek the Beast 
Instant — Adventure
Exile the top two cards of your library. Until your next end step, you may play those cards.
frail quarry
I’ve got a Faldorn exile value/storm list (that I’m trying to make more storm-y) and I included the Questing Druid and the Raccoon Adventure guy but I forget their name
Not sure how the raccoon is going to play but I’ve drawn the druid once or twice and it’s played well
static spire
My question re: Questing Druid is whether the creauture half is ever getting cast in my deck 🤔
static spire
Who’s your commander?
This is the list as it stands now.
Feels a little odd to add nothing from all of Eldraine haha
My paper list is identical to the online list, except:
Urza’s Saga over Gaea's Cradle
Rude Awakening over Tireless Tracker
Magmatic Insight over Wheel of Fortune
(Which are meant to slightly lower the power.)
static spire
I disappeared for a few days, due to playing at Vegas, but I'm back now!
Had a very successful time, and got to play a bunch more Yenna games.
Based on those games, these are the changes I'm contemplating.
Thoughts? Additions, cards you think I shouldn't cut, etc?
green plover
Definitely agree on Ondu, Rite, Royal, Legolas, Lightning, and Aura at the very least.
[[Reverant Mantra]]
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green plover
And yeah that looks like a spicy addition too.
static spire
Definitely agree on Ondu, Rite, Royal, Legolas, Lightning, and Aura at the very ...
Rite is very dangerous due to mandatory draw that I can't remove with Meticulous / Cloudstone -- but I've figured out some ways to dodge that 🙂
This is the new change-list, after working further last night:
green plover
Looks enchanting!
thin kayak
The cards you added are nuts compared to the ones you removed
static spire
Was the additional mana not needed?
I'm trying to make the deck simultaneously a little less dependent on Yenna, while also being able to protect her better. Jaheira was basically a [[Heartstone]] for this deck -- it refunded me for 1 whenever I used Yenna, as the primary purpose -- and since I've cut the elfball themes (despite loving Elvish Guidance) she's no longer enough value to include
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Artifact
Activated abilities of creatures cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
"Finding a true heartstone is even harder than finding a true heart." —Hanna
static spire
The cards you added are nuts compared to the ones you removed
I may reverse a few of these changes -- particularly, I kinda want to fit Siona back in, the tokens are just so helpful for Earthcraft lines and rebuilding after Yenna clones Anointed/Parallel... -- but I'm very happy with how it's all playing in recent goldfishing!
static spire
Was the additional mana not needed?
(Put another way, a card which only generates extra mana after I start going off is less good than something which can also help me get there. Moreover, Jaheira made it a pain to represent my board state.)
zealous ferry
No, I get what you meant. She was probably better with more passive token generation (ex ellivere)
static spire
For sure!
static spire
Some deckbuilding ideas I had while at Vegas, logged here for posterity:
- ~~Modify Kroxa to be basically Rakdos Scam, emphasize combat and remove linear infinite mana combos. ~~
- Add Ballista into Roalesk to make it a stupid alternate-kill condition with Agatha's Soul Cauldron (over Jitte?).
- Add Soul Cauldron into Hapatra as well, and consequently put Ivy Lane / Grist in (possibly other +1 manipulation) along with Call of the Ring.
- Solidify modifications to Wort which powered her down a little.
static spire
Post-Vegas proposed changes to Kroxa
Goal is to power down a BIT -- by removing the anticlimactic 2-card combos -- and make it more into a grindy midrange Scam-esque build
I added some fun Broodlord lines as well, we'll see if I can get away with them :3
Hopefully I didn't lower the land count too badly...
I also would 100% add Imperial Seal... if I owned one 🤡
static spire
I still need 4 cuts in cEDH Hapatra, if anyone wants to take a look: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/1i1MiqHaG02oBWsFfh7Vow
I'm trying to add an Agatha's Soul Cauldron package 🤔
zealous ferry
Why Cauldron for Hapatra?
OK, looking at your list, I forgot you had scurry oak
But even then that seems highly focused.
thin kayak
That deck looks absolutely savage
zealous ferry
I mean it should be, it's cEDH. But the cauldron just runs counter to what I'd expect with Hapatra?
thin kayak
I have no experience with Hapatra but the following cards look fun together:
Hapatra
Nest of scarabs
Blowfly infestation
Like those cards make me want to build it
zealous ferry
I guess it could be used to exile devoted druid and give the abilities to scurry oak?
static spire
I mean it should be, it's cEDH. But the cauldron just runs counter to what I'd e...
I consider it a reanimation spell for Yawgmoth -- who's the most important single card in the deck -- while also acting as GY hate to stop a lot of enemy combos. It also opens up a few new combos with Devoted Druid, as you said, and creates a new infinite combo with Grist, Cauldron, and Ivy Lane Denizen (or Fune Spitter / Cauldron / Ivy Lane). I dunno, I just thought it could do cool stuff: and I really wanted to try the Grist/Cauldron shenanigans!
static spire
I have no experience with Hapatra but the following cards look fun together:
Ha...
She's a REALLY fun deck -- you can make her lower power by cutting a lot of the stax and she STILL does really cool stuff
static spire
OK, looking at your list, I forgot you had scurry oak
I don't quite follow: how does Scurry Oak interact with Cauldron?
...but yeah, cuts are hard in this deck. There's just so many good cards I wish to run...
zealous ferry
So if you give scurry oak devoted druid's ability it can auto combo with snakes and squirrels with ivy lane
sage cloak
Also makes infinite mana
zealous ferry
Since it gains the make mana and untap itself by putting a -1/-1 counter.
[[devoted druid]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
: Add .
Put a -1/-1 counter on Devoted Druid: Untap Devoted Druid.
"Mana lurks in all things, even in the depths of one's own heart."
0/2
zealous ferry
both of those are activated abilities.
[[Agatha's Soul Cauldron]] for convenience.
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Legendary Artifact
You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to activate abilities of creatures you control.
Creatures you control with +1/+1 counters on them have all activated abilities of all creature cards exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
: Exile target card from a graveyard. When a creature card is exiled this way, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
zealous ferry
And, I understand that druid already can do combo with ivy lane if hapatra is out, but it's redundancy if the druid is destroyed, but not exiled
static spire
So if you give scurry oak devoted druid's ability it can auto combo with snakes ...
Hah! Cute, didn't think of that.
zealous ferry
My husband has a Tayam deck. This is the sort of thing I have to think about there.
I was horrible and stole the cauldron he bought for one of us because he got beseech for the Tayam deck.
[[Tayam Luminous Enigma]] actually shares a lot with Hapatra if you're using counters like you do.
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Legendary Creature — Nightmare Beast
Each other creature you control enters the battlefield with an additional vigilance counter on it.
, Remove three counters from among creatures you control: Mill three cards, then return a permanent card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
3/3
static spire
Some deckbuilding ideas I had while at Vegas, logged here for posterity:
* ~~Mod...
I made the Roalesk swaps, by the way: [[Rally the Galadhrim]] and [[Walking Ballista]] over [[Umezawa's Jitte]] and [[Tamiyo, Compleated Sage]]. This opens up some Soul Cauldron lines which are just SILLY.
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Artifact Creature — Construct
Walking Ballista enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on Walking Ballista.
Remove a +1/+1 counter from Walking Ballista: It deals 1 damage to any target.
0/0
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, put two charge counters on Umezawa's Jitte.
Remove a charge counter from Umezawa's Jitte: Choose one —
• Equipped creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
• Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
• You gain 2 life.
Equip
Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
Compleated (
can be paid with , , or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)
+1: Tap up to one target artifact or creature. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
−X: Exile target nonland permanent card with mana value X from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of that card.
−7: Create Tamiyo's Notebook, a legendary colorless artifact token with "Spells you cast cost less to cast" and ": Draw a card."
Loyalty: 5
static spire
This is the set of changes I'm considering for Hapatra. I hope I have enough ways to grant +1 counters to make Agatha's Soul Cauldron work 🤔
zealous ferry
That's part of why I was concerned about it in your list. I think it's really strong but I think there's more synergy in Roalesk
static spire
That's part of why I was concerned about it in your list. I think it's really st...
If it doesn't work, I can roll back these changes if needed 🤔
jovial tinsel
why'd you cut CR?
static spire
why'd you cut CR?
Truthfully, a few reasons.
- First, it eats my commander (and all my snakes). That's not a HUGE problem, since I can use the mana to recast, but it "subtracts" 4-8 mana from the yielded
which lowers the power overall. - Second, it eats a bunch of my stax pieces, including -- most critically -- Null Rod and Collector Ouphe. Losing those is a huge blow to our stax locks.
- Third, I often don't have enough draw power to really SINK all that mana. So often I find I've blown out everyone's board, but I don't get asymmetric value and the other decks rebuild faster.
The long and the short is that CR has lost me several games, or stuck in my hand.
sage cloak
Gotta love when your deck is so tuned your reasoning for making a change involves a bulleted list
jovial tinsel
Truthfully, a few reasons.
* First, it eats my commander (and all my snakes). T...
oh i hadn’t considered any of those, very fair and well thought out
why add DR?
static spire
why add DR?
Funny story, the change-list has changed again:
I went Strangleroot Geist > Young Wolf because a fellow Hapatra player pointed out that 1) it makes my Yawg loops mana-positive under ASC due to the haste, and 2) it can be Eldritch Evolutioned into Yawgmoth and instantly draw my deck (life permitting)
jovial tinsel
wouldn’t [[cankerbloom]] be better than outland liberator
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Creature — Phyrexian Fungus
, Sacrifice Cankerbloom: Choose one —
• Destroy target artifact.
• Destroy target enchantment.
• Proliferate. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
3/2
jovial tinsel
floor is lower but has proliferate as an option which seems amazing in hapatra and the ceiling of OL seems like a lot to ask for
also possible you just have cankerbloom already
haven’t actually looked at the list
static spire
wouldn’t [[cankerbloom]] be better than outland liberator
It's in there too!
jovial tinsel
good
how well does it perform for you? what’s the ratio between the 3 modes for how often you’ve chosen them?
static spire
how well does it perform for you? what’s the ratio between the 3 modes for how o...
I tend to hold it up, most often, to shut down those nasty Breach lines 😉 But the proliferate can be handy in a pinch!
thin kayak
Culling ritual out? Wow
static spire
Culling ritual out? Wow
The problem is that I can't capitalize correctly on it, and losing all my stax pieces is ROUGH
I'm not really proactive in the right way to use it
thin kayak
That’s fair enough
ocean tree
I'm so glad to see Hapatra still getting worked on. Your list is sick as hell
static spire
Thanks! Yeah, the tinkering never ceases 😉
ocean tree
Frfr
static spire
Oh! On this topic -- So I've gotten a chance to test the Yenna changes a bit. On the whole I'm happy with them, but I am missing the inclusion of Siona and Bear Umbra. Possibly Elvish Guidance as well. So I'll probably stabilize on a list somewhere between the two extremes.
green plover
Good thinking.
static spire
Olorin's Searing Light
Rammas Echor, Ancient Shield
Danny Pink
Flesh Duplicate
Nanogene Conversion
Quantum Misalignment
This is the current stuff I have to reskin, before I forget.
green plover
Reskin into what?
jovial tinsel
she designs alt versions of UB cards to make them UW
green plover
AH. So make them MTG themed!
Universes Within. Now I get it.
Hmm... maybe Danny Pink could be a Dominaria Mage School Teacher?
(Or a desparked and retired Teferi idk XD)
Flesh Duplicate is begging to be something from Innistrad.
But maybe it could also be from another plane with more shocking transformations or shapeshfiters?
As for Olorin's Searing Light... maybe something Loreholdian or Boros Guild related?
jovial tinsel
i would say boros lorehold
boros has more stuff like [[brightflame]], lorehold is a lot more artifact-focused
timber mesaBOT
green plover
Though Spell Mastery does feel a lot like Lorehold to me.
[[Olorin's Searing Light]]
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green plover
Especially since it interacts with the graveyard.
But yeah, both interpretations are valid.
jovial tinsel
oh that’s a very good point
apparently i misremembered OSL as a do damage gain life spell
i think lorehold
green plover
^_^
static spire
Hmm... maybe Danny Pink could be a Dominaria Mage School Teacher?
That's a fantastic idea, actually
static spire
Flesh Duplicate is begging to be something from Innistrad.
If I can find matching art, would love that!
static spire
[[Olorin's Searing Light]]
Ideally I'd do something like "Razia's Searing Light"... if I can find matching art
green plover
YAY! Glad I could help inspire your inner artiste 😄
jovial tinsel
Ideally I'd do something like "Razia's Searing Light"... if I can find matching ...
what’s your rationale for boros over lorehold?
static spire
what’s your rationale for boros over lorehold?
In terms of personal terminology, or in terms of flavoring when I make my Universes Within version?
jovial tinsel
In terms of personal terminology, or in terms of flavoring when I make my Univer...
specifically the re-flavoring of Olórin’s Searing Light
but also the other two, i like seeing your thought process on this project
jovial tinsel
@static spire hey btw i’m still curious about the above
frail quarry
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/tAfa8BYilU2tot1R3QfxnA
No [[rob the archive]], Daedalus?
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static spire
No [[rob the archive]], Daedalus?
Honestly, I found it a little too dead! It's also a little tricky to copy red spells here, since the deck's creature generation is so biased toward green.
static spire
<@254711002904526848> hey btw i’m still curious about the above
It's easier to find art which matches the Boros, since the Lorehold have a very narrow and specific aesthetic. Plus the Boros generally fit "searing light" aesthetic better, since they're more militarized!
static spire
How do people feel about [[The Curse of Fenric]] in Yenna? On one hand, it's a 4-for-1 enchantment I can copy -- and sagas are generally good for Yenna, since they (slowly) auto-remove themselves and allow re-copying.
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static spire
On the other hand, 3/3s with deathtouch are pretty hard to block, and they'll definitely all be swinging at me. Not to mention the 6/6 too.
glacial cradle
Mmmm, that's a tough one
I think no. It's 4 mana and a lot of risk for some removal
thin kayak
I think you just take the damage or chump the 3/3 with a small token creature. Then later on you can turn a 3/3 into fenric and have it fight someones deathtouch to remove all the tokens basically.
Or you can be cheeky and play [[crafty cutpurse]] if its within your colours
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jovial tinsel
yenna is GW
thin kayak
Ah missed the commander we were talking about
zealous ferry
Is Radstorm just lightning focused on your [[Roalesk]]
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zealous ferry
I'm assuming it's in the sultai mutant deck. I wonder how many more mutants it will give you if they want to design along a similar theme to simic mutants
static spire
Is Radstorm just lightning focused on your [[Roalesk]]
YEP pretty much lmao
zealous ferry
I'm sorry that you're going to have more reskins
Hopefully you can just go for Ravnica Simic and be on-theme two ways
static spire
Hopefully you can just go for Ravnica Simic and be on-theme two ways
They're VERY hard to find art for unfortunately 😦
zealous ferry
Aren't there ones in the D&D manual? Or have you gone through it already?
static spire
Aren't there ones in the D&D manual? Or have you gone through it already?
I believe the DND manual only uses Magic art, correct?
zealous ferry
Blech, I was hoping there were some new ones
Maybe you can do a filter to make something look like the new art style
static spire
I was talking with @bleak stirrup about proliferate-storm, and it reminded me -- I need to find three cuts in Roalesk for [[Danny Pink]], [[Flesh Duplicate]], and [[Radstorm]]. Anything which looks cuttable here?
static spire
green plover
Benthic Biomancer? Danny Pink seems lke a better version of it.
More expensive yes but it's a global effect to all your creatures.
Oh you already made the choice XD
static spire
cracks knuckles Okay, tonight, it's finally time for me to do all the various updates from Dr. Who and the LotR Holiday Boxes.
static spire
- ~~[[Rammas Echor]] needs to go into Teysa. ~~
- [[Olorin's Searing Light]] needs to go in Avacyn.
[[Vashta Nerada]], [[Quantum Misalignment]], [[Nanogene Conversion]], and [[Auton Soldier]] need to go into Captain N'ghathrod.
static spire
...unfortunately, this also means I need to reskin some of these!
green plover
Correct. But that IS the fun part of it all! 😄
static spire
To acquire: Curse of Fenric, Radstorm, Danny Pink, Flesh Duplicate, Rammos Echor Ancient Shield, Vashta Nerada, Quantum Misalignment, Nanogene Conversion, Auton Soldier, Olorin's Searing Light
To reskin: NONE, we finished
YENNA:
- CUT Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Ethereal Armor, and Royal Treatment
- ADD Jukai Naturalist, Ancestral Mask, and The Curse of Fenric
ROALESK:
- CUT Garruk Primal Hunter, Walking Ballista, Littjara Mirrorlake
- ADD Flesh Duplicate, Radstorm, Danny Pink
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TEYSA:
- CUT Monastery Mentor
- ADD Rammas Echor Ancient Shield
(I should cut Bitter Ordeal, but I really want to use my foil copy 😠 )
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CAPTAIN N'GHATHROD:
- CUT Pact of the Serpent, Snuff Out, Zellix Sanity Flayer, Graveshifter
- ADD Vashta Nerada, Quantum Misalignment, Nanogene Conversion, Auton Soldier
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AVACYN:
- CUT Lapse of Certainty
- ADD Olorin's Searing Light
sage cloak
Yea like I said in the previews this card is gonna do so much work
static spire
Yeah, it's absurd with proliferate
sage cloak
I feel like he’s gonna be at least a $3-4 rare
static spire
I expect more than that
sage cloak
Which is saying a lot considering the flood of product we get nowadays
Well, my immediate comparison is ledger shredder
It’s definitely not going to be more than that but he’ll definitely be worth money
I’m sure he’s going to be an obnoxious commander
He does so well as a sea monster tribal commander too
zealous ferry
It is at least combat damage to a player
Rather than "combat damage" to anything or just "damage"
sage cloak
That’s pretty hard to differentiate in blue but I see what you mean
zealous ferry
[[Malcolm Keen Eyed]]
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Legendary Creature — Siren Pirate
Flying
Whenever one or more Pirates you control deal damage to your opponents, you create a Treasure token for each opponent dealt damage. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
2/2
zealous ferry
That's why he combos with the [[Glint-Horn Buccaneer]]
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Creature — Minotaur Pirate
Haste
Whenever you discard a card, Glint-Horn Buccaneer deals 1 damage to each opponent.
, Discard a card: Draw a card. Activate only if Glint-Horn Buccaneer is attacking.
2/4
zealous ferry
So the new one just caring about him doing combat damage to a player? great
static spire
the 6-drop slot is crowded in there
and I generally don't like to run 6-drop support cards
but this just goes... so incredibly berserk in that deck
"make a white-black creature, except actually I make 3, then I sacrifice them to Teysa, then I make nine white Spirits, then..."
Trickier question, do I try and find a slot for this guy in Teysa as well?
He basically says "the first time I use Teysa's ability each turn, drain for 2 and make a W/B vamp demon"
And that deck LOVES its white-black tokens when it can get them... 🤔
static spire
I'm considering potentially cutting Bolas's Citadel and maybe Teysa v3 for Vito and Ojer Taq
glacial cradle
A few Voltron-y pieces, proliferate, counters, looting
static spire
Citadel was largely in Teysa because I really wanted to do the wombo-combo with [[Ashiok, Wicked Manipulator]]
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static spire
But that's probably too narrow of a circumstance 😭
static spire
I'm considering building Malcolm for mono blue
He honestly looks super fun for mono-blue voltron
Especially since it lets you run a lot of "giant finishers" early
The only problem is that I'm concerned that he'd just turn into another Generic Turns Pile Dot Dek
glacial cradle
I mean, so do like, 3/4 of mono blue commanders if you're not careful
static spire
fair
static spire
Okay, anyone around to help me out with something?
I'm really dissatisfied with how Kroxa is playing, and I want to try and fix that.
Here's the problem. I love Kroxa mechanically, I love having Breach lines and Citadel lines, and so on
But Kroxa just leads to unfun game states, and the deck only really WINS in anticlimactic ways (by going into Worldgorger or whatever)
Can you think of any red-black commanders which use the graveyard as a resource but don't end up being so unfun?
I could screw around with [[Chainer, Nightmare Adept]] I suppose 🤔
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static spire
Hm, a few other tentative options -- [[Magar of the Magic Strings]], [[Mishra, Tamer of Mak Fawa]], [[Olivia, Crimson Bride]], [[Rakdos, Lord of Riots]], [[Totentanz, Swarm Piper]]...
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Legendary Creature — Minotaur Performer
: Note the name of target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard and put it onto the battlefield face down. It's a 3/3 creature with "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may create a copy of the card with the noted name. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost" and "If this creature would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else."
3/3