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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever this creature attacks a player, if no opponent has more life than that player, you create two Treasure tokens." (They're artifacts with "
, Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Your discerning eye for value makes you nearly impossible to swindle.
reef yacht
i have a Mulldrifter somewhere but idk where it is. Also found my Metalwork Colossus and idk what to cut for it. It’d be funny to copy it as it is cast
elfin folio
Hello everyone I’m trying to make a Grixis pirate tribal deck and I was hoping someone could help me figure out some red and black pirates to put in the deck since I already have plenty of blue ones
reef yacht
[[Pitiless Plunderer]] is all I have
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Creature — Human Pirate
Whenever another creature you control dies, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"Shame to let good gold go to the grave."
1/4
elfin folio
Okay interesting that could work
graceful knot
I heartily recommend [[coercive recruiter]] and the obvious pick of [[forerunner of the coalition]]. They form a very strong engine together. Also [[Dire Fleet ravager]] closes games FAST
elfin folio
Very cool
I’m actually struggling to pick between either treasure pirates or theft pirates
Any suggestions
tardy prawn
Theft is more interessting, but more controversial in some groups.
rotund forge
Malcolm/Breeches sort of does both
elfin folio
That gives me an idea for some fun proxy art
gray nest
So I'm looking at building a dimir deck that's based on a lot of old and inefficient cards (nightmare/ashiok tribal)
What mana acceleration exists that I might have overlooked (already running dark ritual, sol ring, felwar stone, midnight clock, signets keyrunes etc...basically if it's been in a precon it's in the deck)
We are scraping the bottom of the barrel here cos the curve is utterly screwed
rotund forge
Who's the commander of the deck?
Because I'm guessing not the horror deck because you specified nightmare
reef yacht
Been thinking on re-making Elsha of the Infinite to be less grindy… but idk what else do to with her and whay to cut
My only win-con is Top + Reservoir + Artifact cost reducer
rotund forge
For Elsha I do recommend the Elsha discord. It's a little less active recently but still.
Do you have your last decklist available?
reef yacht
Never been nor have the link. I mainly don’t like playing her much because the deck is focused on stalling and controlling until I get the win-con.
Yeah, give me a bit
Not sure about Magnus the Red or Gandalf tbh.
rotund forge
No rush on the other list
reef yacht
I alwYs try to keep decklists updated. Updated elsha last saturday
rotund forge
This is a really split list
reef yacht
Why?
Not the best looking elsha list no? I’ve also thought about cutting Sunbird’s Invocation due to how expensive it is to cast
rotund forge
I think my view may be skewed.
reef yacht
Hmm.
reef yacht
Oh. So it was responses to my meta. I had to make it staxy to keep myself alive (otherwise I would die first every time) and I originally made ir artifact focused but shifted away from that (kept the saheelis since they help my end game and add blockers)
Tokens are just extra blockers but not really a focus
rotund forge
Hrm... a mix of the ring tempts legendaries could be interesting
Like [[Elrond, Lord of Rivendell]]
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reef yacht
Could work. Been trying to keep away from cmc 5 and up in creatures .
reef yacht
Or [[Bilbo, Retired Burglar]]
I don’t do much combat tbh. Though interesting for a different build
[[Fiery Inscription]] would work on this
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reef yacht
And [[Press the Enemy]]
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reef yacht
Mainly added it for when I didn’t have Elsha on board. Also need a Darksteel Plate since I do a ton of boardwipes
rotund forge
[[Mithril Coat]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Flash
Indestructible
When Mithril Coat enters the battlefield, attach it to target legendary creature you control.
Equipped creature has indestructible.
Equip 
rotund forge
vs [[Darksteel Plate]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Indestructible
Equipped creature has indestructible.
Equip 
"If there can be no victory, then I will fight forever." —Koth of the Hammer
reef yacht
I mean, whichever works yeah? Here whats important is the bottom line
[[Soulfire Grandmaster]]
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Creature — Human Monk
Lifelink
Instant and sorcery spells you control have lifelink.
: The next time you cast an instant or sorcery spell from your hand this turn, put that card into your hand instead of into your graveyard as it resolves.
2/2
rotund forge
?
reef yacht
Just thinking on stuff I can probably add to the deck
gray nest
Who's the commander of the deck?
(sorry been trapped in work, only just been able to use my phone again)
Commander is [[Umbris]]
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rotund forge
Just thinking on stuff I can probably add to the deck
I was poking at it since this is the easiest way to show my thoughts. I know it's over 100 but I didn't want to spend more time cutting. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/cs-aOkZMlUW8sBebU34L4g
reef yacht
Weird you didnt add pramikon
rotund forge
I don't know how I feel about pramikon
It always has sort of focused people on killing the person running it
reef yacht
I’ve had good luck with it. It either gets spot removed, or I buy myself enough time to assemble other defenses
rotund forge
[[Insight]] is an attempt to de-threaten the deck
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reef yacht
Itd be mlre useful if it targetted black (lots of black decks in the meta)
rotund forge
nod
reef yacht
But yeah.
prime snow
So I'm looking at building a dimir deck that's based on a lot of old and ineffic...
I mean if you want, just run [[morophon]]
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Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
As Morophon, the Boundless enters the battlefield, choose a creature type.
Spells of the chosen type you cast cost 
less to cast. This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay.
Other creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.
6/6
rotund forge
(sorry been trapped in work, only just been able to use my phone again)
Commande...
I don't know that I have any suggestions for Umbris beyond what you've said.
Maybe some of the pauper mana rocks that have secondary abilities?
Like [[Honored Heirloom]]
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Exile target card from a graveyard.
After the Travails, Runechanters set about repairing twisted symbols of Avacyn as the first step in restoring faith in the Church.
rotund forge
or [[Lantern of Revealing]]
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Look at the top card of your library. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield tapped. If you don't put the card onto the battlefield, you may put it on the bottom of your library.
reef yacht
So I’m still working on my M@rchesa goblins. Anyone got feedback on it?
rotund forge
What are your thoughts re:[[Gorbag of Minas Morgul]]?
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Legendary Creature — Orc Soldier
Whenever a Goblin or Orc you control deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice it. When you do, choose one—
• Draw a card.
• Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
2/2
rotund forge
The trebuchet?
It isn't a goblin, it doesn't make goblins and it only makes one 2/1
It also doesn't have reach
reef yacht
Oh its fine. I just liked the idea of making flying rocks with the token
rotund forge
😆
reef yacht
The token is rather amusing. Two goblins strapped to a rock. Hence why
Also marchsa sending trebuchet with goblins at the helm makes it even funnier.
rotund forge
OK. Brainstorming question. Assuming UG+, best verse counter commander? https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A"verse+counter"
My instinct is Atraxa for proliferate but the red ones are really interesting
raw token
There are only 13 cards, so yeah, losing the three red ones seems bad
raw token
My instinct is Atraxa for proliferate but the red ones are really interesting
This may be painfully generic, but I think I'd go [[Garth One-eye]]. Just has enough tools to always be useful while giving you colours to play them all
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
: Choose a card name that hasn't been chosen from among Disenchant, Braingeyser, Terror, Shivan Dragon, Regrowth, and Black Lotus. Create a copy of the card with the chosen name. You may cast the copy. (You still pay its costs.)
A humble appearance belies a master's skill.
5/5
raw token
Atraxa and a lot of proliferate in the 99
Kyoudai another possibility so you can protect them, as a lot of counters makes a big target
But a lot of them sacrifice, so it feels like Garth's Regrowth will be useful
opal roost
Aragorn, but every card in the deck except Aragorn can be cast for green.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/f5hLhN8MOU2WgKgcvR0XKw
We cast 4 spells, and Aragorn can one shot somebody. Yay.
graceful knot
One of the ideas I had when I first saw this card was oops all green. All the modes are good but an extra 4/4 on top of every green spell is truly insane
Glad to see somebody take that up
rotund forge
This may be painfully generic, but I think I'd go [[Garth One-eye]]. Just has en...
It's not. Atraxa is the more generic honestly (especially with EDHRec having her as the #1 built commander of the last 2 years"
rotund forge
@prime snow https://www.moxfield.com/decks/heuIlTxl7UC4HxL1igLoLA is an example of a non-blue deck I have that seems to play about equally on my turn and able to save up for actions on others
And also one that I struggle to close games because even if I'm going sideways I'm spending a lot of time "not dying"
prime snow
<@189054466996174848> https://www.moxfield.com/decks/heuIlTxl7UC4HxL1igLoLA is a...
Fight club!?!
rotund forge
It isn't playing creatures during their turns, but fights, other removal, etc.
prime snow
The new Legolas seems useful for this too
rotund forge
Oh the new legolas is excellent. He doesn't have to hit creatures I don't control. So he can trigger enrage or smack my Brash Taunter
Who then hits an opponent for the amount Legolas hit it for.
But still, it's been a hard deck to close out with. I get close and then I get focused on.
prime snow
Yeah, need those big stampede effects I guess
rotund forge
It's not even the damage output. I just end up spending more time defending myself because I don't want to take one person out quickly so it spreads around, but then the 3 turn against me.
graceful knot
Sometimes you just gotta push that lethal, not every game but sometimes.
rotund forge
Yeah. If people see changes I could make to the Neyith too I would appreciate it. I know it looks like not a lot of land but that never has really been a problem. At worst I hit things on curve and don't have to deal with as much pressure.
reef yacht
So I got bored and started working on Animar Jank Artifacts. Using animar to simply cheat out stuff.
Mainly still adding stuff at this point
Most of the stuff is jank and can be cut. I just wanna make it work
tardy pebble
https://archidekt.com/decks/4789513
Hello friends! I was wondering if i should make 1 or 2 cuts in this deck add more lands, any thoughts? Also, general suggestions about cards to add/cut are welcome ❤️
prime snow
i wanna brew a brewy brew
opal roost
https://archidekt.com/decks/4789513
Hello friends! I was wondering if i should m...
i think 34 lands is plenty. I'd probably even cut 1 and add noble hierarch. I'd suggest adding Garruk, Primal Hunter. In Aragorn, it's basically an unconditional draw 9. Rishkar’s Expertise is another great option with higher payout, but it doesn’t curve as cleanly. It may even be better because you seem to be good at maintaining a respectable hand size.
Looking for a cut to add Growing Rites of Itlamoc. Deck is mono-green Aragorn. Any other suggestions are also appreciated.
royal sail
34 lands seems really low for a 4c deck, especially one that’s pretty color-hungry and has a 4 mana commander
garruk seems rough on a manabase to cast on curve
prime snow
I was wondering what commanders might want both [[michiko konda]] and [[norn argent]]
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., Sacrifice three other creatures: Exile Elesh Norn, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.The Argent Etchings
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Incubate 2 five times, then transform all Incubator tokens you control.
II — Creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain double strike until end of turn.
III — Destroy all other permanents except for artifacts, lands, and Phyrexians. Exile The Argent Etchings, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
rotund forge
Tokens decks love that Elesh Norn
My Ria Ivor especially, opponents get to choose if they block/kill mites and possibly take 2 for each they blocked or not block and get 1 poison for each mite.
reef yacht
Played [[Kasla]] precon yesterday and i have so many mixed feelings about it.
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Legendary Creature — Angel Ally
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Flying, vigilance, haste
Whenever you cast another spell that has convoke, scry 2, then draw a card.
5/4
rotund forge
Oh?
reef yacht
Is a good neat deck, but i have no clue as to how to upgrade it
rotund forge
You want to keep Kasla as the commander?
reef yacht
Yeah. I rather like her alot
EDHREC makes her spellsplinger for some reason
Though she benefits from Selesnya’s convoke tools
rotund forge
Huh. Is it because of [[Invasion of Segovia]]?
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Caetus, Sea Tyrant of Segovia
Legendary Creature — Serpent
Noncreature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a noncreature spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of your end step, untap up to four target creatures.
3/3
reef yacht
I have it in the deck, but yeah?
rotund forge
I just could see it as why it focuses on spellslinging.
reef yacht
Its so easy to remove the back of the battle.
reef yacht
Yeah. Thought about it too yknow
Is still kind of… weird.
Imma do a search on scryfall and look around what cards with convoke are available
rotund forge
52 isn't a lot
There are "next spell has convoke" effects at least, or ones like the engineer
That sounds like you focus on those?
reef yacht
I was thinking on just focusing on tokens
rotund forge
nod
reef yacht
The deck makes soooooo many tokens
Is ridiculous
They need to give convoke more support
but i think I will keep it as is for the time being and update it slowly. One deck I do want to make is Exava. She was the first card I wanted to build as a commander when the concept was introduced to me
rotund forge
[[Exava]]
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rotund forge
I wanted to build Sharuum and [[Momir Vig]] one of those happened
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rotund forge
The frustrating thing is I remember what happened and why Momir didn't finish. My husband felt Momir should be a toolbox deck and kept buying me cards for that
So like [[Terastodon]]
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reef yacht
I would run it with Rashmi at the helm
I have a list for Exava but never dared build it
My meta is rather up there
rotund forge
My store's all over the place.
We're pretty split between Spikey Johnny/Jennies and Spikey Timmy/Tammy's
Where you either have combo decks with key tutors or combo decks where you basically want to have it happen randomly
reef yacht
Yeah. I would say if I want to have a game where I can go tit for tat, decks I would use would be Korvold, Elsha of the Infinite, and some of my other decks with lots of removal.
I sometimes think about making a deck that’s mostly removal.
Just to see if I can do it
prime snow
My Ria Ivor especially, opponents get to choose if they block/kill mites and pos...
Ria might be cool to stack up tokens
rotund forge
Ria might be cool to stack up tokens
I've been pretty happy with Ria. The one I built has this weird intersection of artifacts, phyrexians and keywords matter.
prime snow
Played [[Kasla]] precon yesterday and i have so many mixed feelings about it.
I heard it's lacking
reef yacht
It is. The concept is rather cool, but it could use more support. She would’ve benefitted the most if she had been Bant Colors. Due to green also having Convoke cards
Most of them are in Selesnya colors tbh
My mind is all over the place when it comes to building decks. Technically I should be focusing on upgrading my decks, but at the same time I want to build new decks.
prime snow
It is. The concept is rather cool, but it could use more support. She would’ve b...
They wanted jeskai since they gave convole to blue and red this set
Deck's now like 20 bucks in some places
reef yacht
I still find that it ended up being a bad choice
reef yacht
Funny since the ONE boros deck has a card thats almost half 20$ price point
prime snow
I am pretty sure the only reason why the deck is low price is the thene
People just see RW equipment and their brain turns OFF.
reef yacht
It literally came off to me as RW tokens with a splash of equipments tbh
prime snow
RW just tends to bore
reef yacht
I kinda want to build depala, but I don’t want to invest in buying resources for it atm.
Theres a lot of decks I want to build.
prime snow
I was considering [[shadowfax]]
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Legendary Creature — Horse
Horses you control have haste. (They can attack and as soon as they come under your control.)
Whenever Shadowfax, Lord of Horses attacks, you may put a creature card with lesser power from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking.
4/4
royal sail
RW just tends to bore
ok but what if you took RW and made it EVEN MORE RW
[[general ferrous rokiric]]
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prime snow
It's cool
reef yacht
Colors I can’t build:
Mono-red, Azorius, Dimir, Sultai, Boros, Bant, Izzet
prime snow
Mono red seems fun with jaxis and feldon
reef yacht
I considered Phyrexian Slobad
astral ember
Hey guys i made this deck in medium budget, is very interactive and id like to have your opinion about it, i wrote all about it in the primer description, if you wanna have a look and help me to make it better thank you so much!
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/A3C9LCqWnE27MlGKt6rkNg
graceful knot
My main advice is find space for 3-4 more lands where you can
30 is super super low, especially for a 5cmc commander
I know there's treasure generation but that won't help if you can't cast those either, and mulling to 5 searching for land isn't ideal
I think Ricochet Trap is, ironically, a trap. Both for being expensive if the condition isn't met, and for not having a particularly useful condition when there's so much good removal in orzhov colours that you'd want to deflect. I'd recommend replacing with [[chef's kiss]] for a more useful version of the effect that's always online and can do some extremely silly things every now and again
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graceful knot
Cuts for land can include Skirk Prospector (you only have a single other goblin), Rite of Flame (playing a land every turn is the same as +1 mana from a ritual.) And definitely Lavamancer. Also since you're doing goad, might be worth replacing your least favourite theft sorcery with [[disrupt decorum]].
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graceful knot
@astral ember just so you see I've responded :p
Oh! And since you're attacking with tokens you expect to die anyway, maybe consider [[garna Bloodfist]] as both a way to close games (sac your board in main phase) or gain huge advantage from throwing tokens at people
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prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4763714/minn_wily_illusionist_real_paper_edition any suggestions for this?
astral ember
So, I play this deck and I never had lands problem, is in cedh souce, I do an investiment of cards and cast my commander, if you read the primer there are 3/4 lines on the topic
If you see also the adverse costs of spell is very low
I used decorum it’s just heavy for something that my commander with small creature can easily do
4 mana intensive at that point I can use blood artist but is not that the main topic of the deck
Creature die but is not the main plan
prime snow
Why glorius gale?
better essence scatter. I think that i'll swap it out for [[portant]] or a sac outlet
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rotund forge
I just know that there are loot effects if you go high enough with the ring, but it was the only one I saw with the effect
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prime snow
which isn't in minn colors.
rotund forge
Yeah, the creatures that do it are the other best way.
I think [[Elrond, Lord of Rivendell]] is the easiest repeatable ones in blue
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reef yacht
@rotund forge any thoughts on [[Slobad, Iron Goblin]]
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Goblin Artificer
, Sacrifice an artifact: Add an amount of equal to the sacrificed artifact's mana value. Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or activate abilities of artifacts.
Once he fought to save Mirrodin. Now he fights to remake it.
3/3
opal roost
I need help making a cut to add [[audacity]]
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gray nest
What's the Garruk expected to do in this deck?
opal roost
Draw 9
gray nest
Ok, what about the Greenbelt
I'm not seeing much synergy with repeated etbs/casting the spell
(Outside of cloudstone curio but I assumed that was for the enchantress side of things)
opal roost
Greenbelt is 3 spell casts for Aragorn. It’s definitely one of the more questionable includes.
gray nest
True...I think if it had flash I'd be very into it
As it is I'm not sold tbh and think that's probably the cut
rotund forge
<@425497578050945025> any thoughts on [[Slobad, Iron Goblin]]
I keep trying to figure out what I want to do with him and I keep looking at Feldon of the Third Path.
rotund forge
Just because the token copies are artifacts with the cmc of the creature.
rotund forge
I realized I have a weird deck building problem. I have 3 decks in my immediate attention queue and they all share 3 cards that cost more than I would want to pay for a second copy of.
Grand Cenobite, Mother of Machines and Gandalf the White.
Oh, and Mondrak...
reef yacht
Same. Reason why I have not optimized my token decks yet
rotund forge
[[Samwise Gamgee]] hadn't been on my radar and then I saw the second part of his text...
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Peasant
Whenever another nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
Sacrifice three Foods: Return target historic card from your graveyard to your hand. (Artifacts, legendaries, and Sagas are historic.)
2/2
rotund forge
He was reasonably good with the "etb make a food"
reef yacht
Selesnya has been getting its feet wet with artifact stuff
rotund forge
You know I"ve been obsessing over decks for [[Sarinth Steelseeker]]
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reef yacht
It makes good in Glissa the Traitor
rotund forge
The play pattern of creature->food->dump historic card in graveyard is just wonderful.
reef yacht
I feel like it would require a lot of moving parts to make it work as intended
You’d have to use stuff like Teshar
I’d have to see it before I can form a concrete opinion
rotund forge
Amy the Amazonian has a historic Brawl version up on YouTube. That's why it drew attention to the second half.
I think the only card in it that isn't commander legal is [[Norn's Disassembly]]
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Enchantment
, Sacrifice a historic permanent: Seek a historic card.
reef yacht
Oh, there are some of the Specialization cards and Patriar's Humiliation.
I’ll take a look at it and give it a playtest. Honestly interested to se how it works.
Kinda sucks that some really good Arena/Alchemy cards are not printed on paper
rotund forge
There are some obvious subs like [[Academy Manufactor]] which aren't on Arena
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prime snow
I think [[Elrond, Lord of Rivendell]] is the easiest repeatable ones in blue
Yeah but I feel like I won't be able to get the second trigger often
rotund forge
Which I can see why. I was just saying what seemed to be the easiest repeatable tempt
Unless you're going off with Minn you aren't often getting 2 creatures a turn
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4763714/minn_wily_illusionist_real_paper_edition what should I get in place of [[glorious gale]]?
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prime snow
Unless you're going off with Minn you aren't often getting 2 creatures a turn
Yeah, I have been having issues getting a illusion a turn at times.
rotund forge
I just wasn't sure if there was something I missed since the first tempt is skulk.
rotund forge
Skulk is a good thing to add though if you have combat related card draw
That's why I wasn't sure
prime snow
Skulk is a good thing to add though if you have combat related card draw
I would but I feel like bident of thassa isn't enough.
I rather have the "gaurenteed" draw with [[unctus, grand meta]] I feel
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Vedalken
Other blue creatures you control have "Whenever this creature becomes tapped, draw a card, then discard a card."
Other artifact creatures you control get +1/+1.
: Until end of turn, target creature you control becomes a blue artifact in addition to its other colors and types. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
2/4
prime snow
What's the good token commanders with white?
tardy prawn
[[Bennie Bracks]] [[Mondrak]] [[Elesh Norn]]
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Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
At the beginning of each end step, if you created a token this turn, draw a card.
His enthusiastic curiosity puts even the most fearsome of beasts at ease.
3/2
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If one or more tokens would be created under your control, twice that many of those tokens are created instead.
, Sacrifice two other artifacts and/or creatures: Put an indestructible counter on Mondrak, Glory Dominus. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
4/4
., Sacrifice three other creatures: Exile Elesh Norn, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.The Argent Etchings
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Incubate 2 five times, then transform all Incubator tokens you control.
II — Creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain double strike until end of turn.
III — Destroy all other permanents except for artifacts, lands, and Phyrexians. Exile The Argent Etchings, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).
prime snow
I got saga norn
last wind
What's the good token commanders with white?
Any preference for color combos? I play a lot of white / white-adjacent
tardy prawn
I made a saga norn Phyrexian tribal list for a friend of mine
Works pretty well, with some memes spliced in
prime snow
No real preference, my favorite color is blue but currently i only have minn in there.
I have a saga norn and [[michiko konda]] I wanted to try
hollow latchBOT
last wind
And, what's the goal with the tokens?
rapid cloud
[[shagrat]] with [[bludgeon brawl]]. That’s the pitch
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Enchantment
Each noncreature, non-Equipment artifact is an Equipment with equip 
and "Equipped creature gets +X/+0," where X is that artifact's mana value.
rapid cloud
Why yes I would like to equip your one ring to my shagrat to buff him 4
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4763714/minn_wily_illusionist_real_paper_edition should i swap out talrand for mumruing mystic, or even remove both?
prime snow
https://archidekt.com/decks/4873528/bottom_up_white_deck trying to figure out a white deck
rotund forge
[[shagrat]] with [[bludgeon brawl]]. That’s the pitch
How have I missed that Bludgeon Brawl is symmetrical for years?
rapid cloud
Idk if I’ll end up building shagrat, and bludgeon brawl would be cooler if shagrat took control of the equipment he puts on, but it’s still a funny effect
We should get a red card that says “equip all equipment on the battlefield to target creature” or something
graceful knot
There is [[fumble]] that's close
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trim rock
https://archidekt.com/decks/4873528/bottom_up_white_deck trying to figure out a ...
Well the most important things to ask yourself are 'What's the deck's primary strategy? What's my win-condition? What cards will get me to that win-condition? How can I intercept other's gameplans? How can I protect my gameplan?'
trim rock
WEll you'll definitely want Mondrak, Anointed Procesison, Authority of the Consols/Blind Obedience, Sire Sherrif, The Eternal Wanderer/Wandering Emperor
rapid cloud
To get started you don't need all of that stuff, especially both Mondrak and AP. Yeah they help but they're not necessary, and the price tags on those can often make people think "why bother trying"
trim rock
Good point!
prime snow
To get started you don't need *all* of that stuff, especially both Mondrak and A...
Yeah my issue i guess right now is budget. Everything tagged green is what I have.
I have [[primal vigor]] if I go GW I suppose
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tardy prawn
Mycrosynth lattice, bludgeon brawl, Armory Automaton , fumble
rapid cloud
more and more I’m thinking I want to add [[frodo sauron]] to my food and fellowship deck as a sneaky late game threat. Lots of mana, and needs haste or to survive a turn, and evasion (which can be granted by the ring tempting you but still)
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Legendary Creature — Halfling Citizen
: If Frodo, Sauron's Bane is a Citizen, it becomes a Halfling Scout with base power and toughness 2/3 and lifelink.
: If Frodo is a Scout, it becomes a Halfling Rogue with "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player loses the game if the Ring has tempted you four or more times this game. Otherwise, the Ring tempts you."
1/2
rotund forge
We should get a red card that says “equip all equipment on the battlefield to ta...
[[Armory Automaton]] exists at least.
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rapid cloud
Oh hell yeah that’s amazing
That plus bludgeon brawl could be a wincon (or at least single player removal) in the right pod
rotund forge
The funny thing is treasure, etc. counts
It's part of why the main plan I had for Boros Odric was [[Heavenly Blademaster]]
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rotund forge
Since it also had [[arterial alchemy]] as backup
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Enchantment
When Arterial Alchemy enters the battlefield, create a Blood token for each opponent you have. (It's an artifact with ", , Discard a card, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Blood tokens you control are Equipment in addition to their other types and have "Equipped creature gets +2/+0" and equip .
rapid cloud
Yeah but sadly tokens don’t help with bludgeon brawl because no MV
prime snow
more and more I’m thinking I want to add [[frodo sauron]] to my food and fellows...
Nice thing about it is it's abilities aren't sorcery soeed
reef yacht
https://archidekt.com/decks/4873528/bottom_up_white_deck trying to figure out a ...
She is notoriously hard to build outside of stax. I found out she gets smacked ASAP as soon she hits the board
trim rock
You could go Darien, King of Klejdor for the best of both worlds.
A trigger off taking damage that creates a bunch of tokens.
rotund forge
I know you're avoiding more than one color for budget reasons, but for Michiko's effect it might be good to plan down the road and do [[Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts]] and get all the effects in those colors
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rotund forge
2 color without shocks or fetches still isn't bad, especially with the land cycling cards we've gotten.
Oh, what about [[Teshar, Ancestor's]]
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prime snow
Teshar might be cool
I can try adding more colors, like azirous or orzhov
I just worry about being able to come online haha
rotund forge
I think staying mono color still works. The nice thing about Teshar is it can grow with budget over time without needing a massive redesign
prime snow
Oh that's cool
rotund forge
I just looked at the EDHRec Average Teshar deck, and cutting out the cards that are over $10 is only cutting 11 cards and it drops the price by over $200
graceful knot
Teshar can be built on a shoestring and is still a menace
Source: I did that
Alternate Commander in [[Oswald]] also
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Legendary Creature — Gnome Artificer
Magical Tinkering — , , Sacrifice an artifact: Search your library for an artifact card with mana value equal to 1 plus the sacrificed artifact's mana value, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
"Can't see this airship crashing in the near future. Sturdy as a rock."
2/2
rotund forge
There are some cards that are over 5 that are good inclusions, like [[Loran of the Third Path]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Vigilance
When Loran of the Third Path enters the battlefield, destroy up to one target artifact or enchantment.
: You and target opponent each draw a card.
As a scholar, she saw the sylex not as a weapon, but as a key to the past.
2/1
rotund forge
Here's the "average list" where I've cut it so that over $10 are in considering and >$4.99 are in the sideboard. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/RE5kpqzzB0CF6Tb-lV_CpA
I hadn't thought how good Boromir and Sam the Stouthearted were in Teshar
[[Boromir, Warden of the Tower]]
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graceful knot
Sam is crazy
Fulfils the combo line of [[salvager of Ruin]] as long as you have a sac outlet for it
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graceful knot
Opens up a lot of lines
rotund forge
I'd missed how cheap cards like [[$Mishra's Bauble]] are right now. That thing had been absurd a few years ago.
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rotund forge
Thank you Brother's War bonus slot
opal roost
What's a good commander for a deck that runs as many [[cranial extraction]] effects as possible?
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prime snow
probably a mill deck
graceful knot
What's a good commander for a deck that runs as many [[cranial extraction]] effe...
I have a theory built deck for this exact type of card, it's [[circu dimir]]
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graceful knot
It's basically just Lantern Control but in edh lol
rotund forge
This is a quick opinion question so I'm not putting it in my other thread. I need to finish a deck tonight. I have too many piles and want to get them out of my head.
Which of these do you think will have the highest chance of actually being fun to play and not make me be seen as the archenemy from just the commander?
[[Shadowfax]], [[Narset, Enlightened Exile]], [[Ratadrabik of Urborg]] - ring, [[Aragorn, the uniter]] - convoke, [[Nahiri, Forged]] or [[Shelob, Child]]
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Legendary Creature — Horse
Horses you control have haste. (They can attack and as soon as they come under your control.)
Whenever Shadowfax, Lord of Horses attacks, you may put a creature card with lesser power from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking.
4/4
Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
Vigilance, ward
Other Zombies you control have vigilance.
Whenever another legendary creature you control dies, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's not legendary and it's a 2/2 black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
3/3
Legendary Creature — Kor Artificer
Affinity for Equipment (This spell costs less to cast for each Equipment you control.)
Whenever an equipped creature you control attacks, exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn. You may cast Equipment spells this way without paying their mana costs.
5/4
Legendary Creature — Spider Demon
Deathtouch, ward
Other Spiders you control have deathtouch and ward .
Whenever another creature dealt damage this turn by a Spider you controlled dies, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's a Food artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life," and it loses all other card types.
8/8
rotund forge
I feel like Shadowfax will let me have one good attack and then I'm the archenemy. Narset may be viewed as the archenemy from past experiences of other versions of the character. Ratadrabik, Aragorn and Shelob will possibly all be KOS. Then also Aragorn and Shelob feel like they'll have the voltron problem.
trim rock
I'd just go for Aragon (Since there's a lot of build diersity with him he's not necessarily seen as a big threat yet) or Shadowfax (Since Shadowfax is more fun and situationally strong to most opponents).
rotund forge
I think he's not viewed as a threat until you cast your first green spell
trim rock
Yeah but that also depends on the board state.
And people can still have blockers up so it's not really that scar.y
rotund forge
But otherwise you generally agree with how I'm seeing the others?
Also, to be clear, the Shadowfax is planned to be one of the "I'm putting into play meteor golem" ones.
trim rock
I meana Ratadrabik can geto ut of hand super quickly, Nahiri is very Voltron-centric and free equipment always leaves a table shooketh, and Shelob is just one of the most popular commanders now and a concern for many.
rotund forge
The getting out of hand would definitely be the point though with it though.
reef yacht
@rotund forge what are your thoughts on [[Blue Sun’s Twilight]] I have it in drafna and have thought of cutting it but sometimes is the only way to deal with problematic commanders.
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rotund forge
I haven't played with it much at all. 😅 I can see why you would keep it though
reef yacht
Yeah. I’ve been trying to make it (the deck) less mana heavy, but idk what to cut at this point. I cut off Jin-Gitaxias Progress because I played it and i was not really impressed
prime snow
Which of these do you think will have the highest chance of actually being fun t...
Nahiri or Shadowfax
tbh what kind of meta are you even running that the horse is archenemy
rotund forge
Attack and put into play 2+ ROL stax pieces?
Or Elesh Norn(s)
AKA it's not a horse deck
I'll post the list later. I forgot some of the pieces I was planning on putting in (some faster mana rocks and the Aurelias).
But, unless opponents have something like [[Containment Priest]] I'll be able to play past the rule of law pieces I play
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rare parcel
Best colorless commander and gooo
gray nest
[[liberator, Urza's battlethopter]] is powerful and kinda breaks the standard formula of 'mana rock pass, mana rock pass, mana rock mana rock pass, massive commander that gets removed on sight' that colourless decks often fall into
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tardy prawn
So, I wanna build a mono white deck, and I've narrowed it down to few options. Thoughts on
[[Odric, lunarch marshal]]
[[Gandalf the White]]
Or
[[Lae'zel, Vlaakith]] + [[Noble Heritage]]
rotund forge
They're all interesting. I may like Gandalf of those the most because mono-W legend synergy is pretty strong.
tardy prawn
Mmmm, mhm. I have a foil dated gandalf, which is tempting, but I promised I wouldn't make another artifact deck. Ya think legends will be enough?
rotund forge
It's not just creatures, so things like planeswalkers with statics, [[Flowering of the White Tree]]?
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Legendary Enchantment
Legendary creatures you control get +2/+1 and have ward .
Nonlegendary creatures you control get +1/+1.
Aragorn planted the new tree in the court by the fountain, and swiftly and gladly it began to grow.
rotund forge
Those all can be cast at instant
rotund forge
graceful knot
Secret teshar deck :p
rotund forge
And it's if the thing that caused the trigger is an artifact or legendary. So if it triggers a non-legendary, non-artifact it counts.
So like constellation triggers
graceful knot
Blink seems very doable
rotund forge
[[Cathar's Crusade]]
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graceful knot
But white is mildly lacking in legendary etbs
tardy prawn
Mmmm
graceful knot
Thankfully you can do things like that lol
What if I simply [[flagstones of trokair]] into a [[felidar retreat]]
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Legendary Land
: Add .
When Flagstones of Trokair is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may search your library for a Plains card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Dust-spiked winds eroded the stones, but the ground where they had stood still holds power.
tardy prawn
Huh, that is a more interesting deck than it seemed
I worry a bit, because blink decks often feel like spinning wheels without doing anything
rotund forge
[[Martyr's Bond]] triggers twice too
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graceful knot
And it's if the thing that caused the trigger is an artifact or legendary. So if...
First time I've thought about it but this is what cracks it open for me
tardy prawn
Which is something I wanna avoid
graceful knot
But I'm more interested in [[gandalf white rider]]
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rotund forge
The flash is relevant too when you have things like [[The One Ring]]
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Legendary Artifact
Indestructible
When The One Ring enters the battlefield, if you cast it, you gain protection from everything until your next turn.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life for each burden counter on The One Ring.
: Put a burden counter on The One Ring, then draw a card for each burden counter on The One Ring.
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tardy prawn
Finally
rotund forge
[[Boromir|LTR]]
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rotund forge
[[Urza's Ruinous Blast]]
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rotund forge
First time I've thought about it but this is what cracks it open for me
Right?
reef yacht
Made my Selesnya Trostani deck. Just looking for feedback. Trying to make it more consistent without having to buy a ton of expensive cards. Trying to keep it under the 150$ budget. Also will take any suggestions for deck names as long as it includes commanders name
graceful knot
Worth maybe swapping Collective Conscious with [[camaraderie]]?
Maybe also swap Anduril for another creature, perhaps something that makes tokens with life gain such as [[attended healer]]
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Creature — Kor Cleric
Whenever you gain life for the first time each turn, create a 1/1 white Cat creature token.
: Another target Cleric gains lifelink until end of turn.
"My cats have taught me more about the sacred than anything in some old ruin."
2/3
graceful knot
@reef yacht [[gwaihir greatest]] is still very cheap and am excellent addition to make your board evasive and big fairly consistently
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graceful knot
All are less than a dollar currently afaik
reef yacht
I already have Gwaihir ordered
graceful knot
Excellent!
reef yacht
i also ordered The Gaffer.
is a deck in process. I have camaraderie laying about but I have to test the deck further before I do more changes.
[[The Gaffer]]
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somber sentinel
https://archidekt.com/decks/2215016/we_bare_bears Not spiing up a whole thread - Recommended cuts for an Ozolith I opened?
(please @ me as I won't notice the reply lol)
vivid pulsar
How have people liked [[Reckless Handling]] in equipment-based voltron decks?
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graceful knot
Haven't drawn it yet sadly but I'm pretty sure it's solid for Stangg mostly for being able to get the very important vigilance or hexproof that makes the deck able to not fold so easily
reef yacht
Looking for recommendations for card draw for this deck. I’m fixing the creature side, but I need help with sorceries/instants/general card draw. Goal of the deck is to make it futile to block by playing a lot of trample creatures.
trim rock
Looking for recommendations for card draw for this deck. I’m fixing the creature...
[[Vivien's Stampede]] I think this card could be useful with your strategy. It adds even more power to your creatures when they swing, and draws you cards for doing damage, making it a great and underrated Sorcery buff.
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reef yacht
What you suggest I cut? Its been hard since I also need to keep ample ramp & Removal on hand.
I also have Damn board wipe and [[Decree of Pain]]
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Sorcery
Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated. Draw a card for each creature destroyed this way.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
When you cycle Decree of Pain, all creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn.
trim rock
Hmmm.... Rith's Grove? It seems like you have plenty of nonbasic lands for mana-fixing that I'm not sure you really need to run a Lair.
Or if you are fine keeping all your lands...
Oh yeah Atalan Jackal.
You have literally only three basic lands.
You don't get much value off of it's ability at all.
At least basing it off the decklist.
reef yacht
I have 4 basics. But yeah. He’s been laying on the edge to get cut
weak crow
Hi all. My LGS recently adjusted some of it's house rules and points for their commander tournaments to promote faster games and more aggressive play. Rounds are 1 hour 15 minutes and the game immediately ends at time, and ties result in the lower point value (If 4 players still left at time, everyone gets 1 point for 4th place, etc), so it really rewards decisive victories, but there is also a point penalty for eliminating players or outright winning before everyone has started their 6th turn. I tend to play slower durdly decks but also like to be able to both protect my resources and generate additional resources. I feel like a lot of aggressive commanders just become KOS, so I'm liking the look of [[dhalsim]] as a commander. Protects himself, gives evasion, and card draw, in green for ramp and white for some additional protective spells. I've tried searching through various other commander options that offer similar but keep coming back to Dhalsim. Can anyone recommend any other similar commanders or strategies that allow continual buildup and pressure while being able to somewhat reliably protect it's own stuff?
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prime snow
This point system seems kind of dumb.
So you want to win but you want to win by turn 6?
prime snow
Hi all. My LGS recently adjusted some of it's house rules and points for their c...
Probably [[derevi]]
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Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Whenever Derevi, Empyrial Tactician enters the battlefield or a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you may tap or untap target permanent.
: Put Derevi onto the battlefield from the command zone.
2/3
prime snow
You can stall out the game until t6 and then infinite with the bird.
prime snow
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cheapskate-derevi-competitive-100-budget/ something like this
Running stuff like [[squeeze]] and such.
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Enchantment
Sorcery spells cost more to cast.
Any pirate would prefer Rishada's swift and cruel justice to Saprazzo's patient punishments.
last wind
Hi all. My LGS recently adjusted some of it's house rules and points for their c...
Before I say anything, are there prizes involved? If so, we can work on a budget that curves into a win on t6 decisively should people not have the exact interaction needed to stop you
As weird a restraint it is to promote fast play but discourage fast wins, it's something that shouldn't be too hard to pull off
weak crow
Yeah, small prize pool, $5 entry fee, winners get percentage of the pool from 1st to 8th, max about $25 for first depending on number of players
Prize in store credit specifically
Also don't want something that will just be a lightning rod of hate
last wind
Ah, so it's not a super high stakes thing, more of an encouragement to get people to show up and support the shop, I'm here for it
I'm on the road now but Ill brainstorm as I drive, you still set on Dhalsim?
weak crow
It seems to have the most rounded feature features to let me play the game without needing some instant win feature
last wind
I had thought about him a while back, and really like his untap trigger. You can use it with reach+vigilance to keep a defensive boardstate while also taking advantage of activated abilities, and its something I haven't seen people explore
weak crow
Yeah exactly. It seems a straightforward buildaround
last wind
Like, really take advantage of effects like [[cryptolith]] rites, basically double mana / creature
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Enchantment
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
The chant was incomprehensible, but its power was unmistakable.
weak crow
Yeah, that's right up there, ends up with plenty of mana, plenty of card draw, creature evasion and with reach tribal protects against flyers, just seems so well rounded
graceful knot
I am rebuilding Muldrotha Superfriends again, looking at 15 walker slots. What would be your recommendations?
My current must haves:
Wrench & Realm
Jace Perfected
Nissa of Shadowed
Oko Thief of Crowns
Vraska and Nissa (Compleat variants)
Vraska Golgari Queen
Narset Parter
What else would be recommendations for this list? Classic Mill-drotha superfriends so the more effective the better really.
Tempted by [[Vivien on the Hunt]] perhaps but 6cmc is heavy
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last wind
Vivien is a straight house, only reason she's not in my Affinity list is that I haven't found a foil yet
Super strong and the +2 shouldn't ever be underestimated
Especially with Muldrotha
graceful knot
The plus seems amazing for skating from any 4 drop or turning tokens into dorks etc.
The +1 is also superb advantage
Mill 5 plus maybe put something relevant in hand? Don't mind if I do
last wind
She checks all the boxes that are important to walkers, for sure. Plus, if you have any cards that minimize their own cost, she let's you consistently cheat mana as long as she isn't offed and exiled
When goldfishing, I was using her to turn [[Myr Enforcer]] into [[Tidespout Tyrant]], [[Lashweed Lurker]] into [[Grozoth]], and [[Keruga]] into [[Woodland Bellower]]
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Artifact Creature — Myr
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Most myr monitor other species. Some myr monitor other myr.
4/4
Creature — Eldrazi Horror
Emerge 
(You may cast this spell by sacrificing a creature and paying the emerge cost reduced by that creature's mana value.)
When you cast this spell, you may put target nonland permanent on top of its owner's library.
5/4
Creature — Leviathan
Defender (This creature can't attack.)
When Grozoth enters the battlefield, you may search your library for any number of cards that have mana value 9, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
: Grozoth loses defender until end of turn.
Transmute (, Discard this card: Search your library for a card with the same mana value as this card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Transmute only as a sorcery.)
9/9
Legendary Creature — Dinosaur Hippo
Companion — Your starting deck contains only cards with mana value 3 or greater and land cards. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
When Keruga, the Macrosage enters the battlefield, draw a card for each other permanent you control with mana value 3 or greater.
5/4
last wind
She throws you ahead so far as long as you build around mana costs, so good
graceful knot
I think I've got a list for a 1st draft.
cloud prism
I'm trying to change this deck over from just Vial Smasher clones go brrrrrr to just cloning some really valuable creatures, getting value off them and going ham. What could i add as those good creatures?
wheat mango
I am in the process of revisiting my Dihada deck, and have removed most of the sac outlets, since I figure the goal is not to repeatedly cast smaller creatures, but to discard them using looting and Dihada's -3 and then cheating them into play again. Would that work, or is that a silly idea and should I add some sac outlets back into the deck?
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/cfFbg6bUsEG_JCy0WtMISQ
rotund forge
This is my guess for what the colorless deck will be: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/2csIMlMsK0eqJWOkX16JGQ
I want to check after the video is released.
And I am being serious about the one that's the most optimistic. It's the one I'm pretty sure I'm going to be wrong about, but based on peoples' reactions it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.
Either Emrakul or card draw Kozilek feel most likely for that slot. And, as I said, this is based on the reactions I've seen.
cedar cedar
This is my guess for what the colorless deck will be: https://www.moxfield.com/d...
My guesses
rotund forge
The toy is interesting
You should have one more choice. 10 new cards and you already have the new commander
cedar cedar
The toy is interesting
I should have checked if this is RL. I guessed not due to the price
I like your guesses though if they wanted to not focus on artifacts as much
graceful knot
I am in the process of revisiting my Dihada deck, and have removed most of the s...
I'll throw my updates in soon and get my list up to date as that is what mine does, alongside strong individual combat cards
rotund forge
OH right, I'll cut that one
I had forgotten it was a dfc
Because I've cast the back.. once?
wheat mango
I'll throw my updates in soon and get my list up to date as that is what mine do...
awesome, thanks
rotund forge
Swapped with Endless One because it can be cast for x=7
graceful knot
awesome, thanks
Things like [[heartwarming redemption]] pull heavy duty work in that style.
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wheat mango
oh awesome, that does look nice 😄
graceful knot
oh awesome, that does look nice 😄
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/96tsBea5P0GnRFK8SwLJEA
This probably isn't spot on, but it's close enough from my memory of the deck. It's not optimised, it's more of a toolbox of cards I personally find appealing.
Redemption is doubly powerful as you can cast it in response to a mass reanimation spell and just throw your whole hand in there to cheat anything big in there out
wheat mango
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/96tsBea5P0GnRFK8SwLJEA
This probably isn't spot ...
thanks, looks like fun, I'll look through it for some inspiration 😄
graceful knot
It's a very simple deck, play a land a turn and throw down every legendary you find, then cheat out an indestructible lifelink haste vigilance trample deathtouch board all at once while removing your opponent's entire board while you sit pretty.
Bonus points if you manage to get to the -11
Which I have done exactly once
wheat mango
if you manage to equip a luxior it gets significantly easier to get to -11
graceful knot
[[Luxior]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each counter on it.
Equipped permanent isn't a planeswalker and is a creature in addition to its other types. (Loyalty abilities can still be activated.)
Equip planeswalker
Equip
graceful knot
In what way? Cause it can't be attacked? I'll be honest that's never been my issue lol
wheat mango
Because at that point you can keer +1'ing Dihada herself
graceful knot
Although it's likely a solid pickup tbf. My issue is it doesn't really do much for the other creatures in the deck, only the 4 PWs
Maybe that's enough though
wheat mango
And she'll be near permanently indestructible
wheat mango
Incidentally -1/-1 counters will also give a +1/+1 with Luxior, cancelling them out :p
graceful knot
Funny if unlikely to matter
wheat mango
Any counter gives +1/+1
last wind
Incidentally -1/-1 counters will also give a +1/+1 with Luxior, cancelling them ...
It's exactly this reason that Luxior has become my de facto Toxrill silver bullet.
wheat mango
It's exactly this reason that Luxior has become my de facto Toxrill silver bulle...
Nice 😄
reef yacht
Looking for creature upgrade suggestions
trim rock
If you want to slow down your opponents [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]] are good options.
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Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
First strike
Noncreature spells cost more to cast.
"Thraben belongs to the living. I will not rest until it is cleansed."
2/1
trim rock
Or any Thalia's really.
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trim rock
[[Imposing Sovereign]]
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trim rock
[[Aragorn and Arwen, Wed]] [[Coppercoat Vanguard]] [[Luminarch Aspirant]] and [[Thalia's Lieutenant]] are great for buffs.
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Creature — Human Soldier
Each other Human you control gets +1/+0 and has ward . (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
It was a time for rebuilding, but first Ikoria's wrecked cities had to be cleared of monsters.
2/2
trim rock
[[Esper Sentinel]] is expensive but great for card draw.
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Artifact Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever an opponent casts their first noncreature spell each turn, draw a card unless that player pays , where X is Esper Sentinel's power.
The more Esper changes, the more he refuses to.
1/1
trim rock
[[Boromir, Warden of the Tower]] is fantastic utility.
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trim rock
As for angels you could go [[Aegis Angel]] [[Angel of Glory's Rise]] [[Angel of the Ruins]]
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Artifact Creature — Angel
Flying
When Angel of the Ruins enters the battlefield, exile up to two target artifacts and/or enchantments.
Plainscycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a Plains card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
5/7
trim rock
@reef yacht Hope this helped!
reef yacht
Took screenshots. Now to figure out what to cuf
reef yacht
<@435869219041837077> Hope this helped!
I have a kamahl parter id like to put in there
trim rock
Cool!
dusky needle
I have an [[experiment kraj] deck that I run. In theory, Seedborn Muse should be a no-brainer. However, I think that it would be a lightning rod for removal.
[[Experiment Kraj]]
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Legendary Creature — Ooze Mutant
Experiment Kraj has all activated abilities of each other creature with a +1/+1 counter on it.
: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
"Of course it will grow beyond control—it was designed to choose its own evolution." —Momir Vig
4/6
rotund forge
Do you have [[murkfiend liege]]?
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dusky needle
I do. Goes under the under just bc it's lesser known. 🙂 Also have [[Quest for Renewal]]
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reef yacht
@rotund forge i fixed Kasla. I don’t have an online list yet, but i made it vehicles. Kept Kasla as a commander and so far i draw too many cards. XD
tardy prawn
[[Kasla]]
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Legendary Creature — Angel Ally
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Flying, vigilance, haste
Whenever you cast another spell that has convoke, scry 2, then draw a card.
5/4
tardy prawn
Ah
reef yacht
I wanted to use [[Depala Pilot]] but in order to make her work, I would have to add way too many vehicles.
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Legendary Creature — Dwarf Pilot
Other Dwarves you control get +1/+1.
Each Vehicle you control gets +1/+1 as long as it's a creature.
Whenever Depala, Pilot Exemplar becomes tapped, you may pay . If you do, reveal the top X cards of your library, put all Dwarf and Vehicle cards from among them into your hand, then put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
3/3
rotund forge
<@425497578050945025> i fixed Kasla. I don’t have an online list yet, but i made...
Is drawing too many cards a problem?
reef yacht
Mostly just goldfished a bit and had too many card draw effects. Mainly due to convoke and such. I’ve yet to live test it which I’ll do today and then I’ll give you a more accurate update.
rotund forge
@cerulean rivet I looked at the average budget list and made changes that I think I'd make. It raises the price a little to $108, but if you're trying things digitally they're my suggestions. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UxAc9v-cX0KIzl0R52obNg
cerulean rivet
Much appreciated. Thank you
shrewd kiln
https://archidekt.com/decks/4745854/long_live_the_chief
hi, finally got back to this deck after a few games. playtesting has shown I need a lot more defensive options that aren't just removal. any suggestions?
ebon creek
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/2ygkJ2GdxUCzy3IP3MbsVg can anyone help me find cuts for more lands?
young patrol
Are you committed to Upheaval?
young patrol
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/2ygkJ2GdxUCzy3IP3MbsVg can anyone help me find cu...
Upheaval, Panoptic Mirror, /// Thieve's Auction, Jinxed Choker, Rust Elemental, Shifting Borders, Chef's Kiss
ebon creek
Upheaval, Panoptic Mirror, /// Thieve's Auction, Jinxed Choker, Rust Elemental, ...
my playgroup has a different banlist, i should have been clear
i am admittedly on the fence about upheaval though
young patrol
Filter Out feels like it does mostly what you want anyway
ebon creek
yeah
i really like panoptic though
i feel like passing it around the table is fun
get a little of everybody's stuff
ebon creek
Upheaval, Panoptic Mirror, /// Thieve's Auction, Jinxed Choker, Rust Elemental, ...
why rust elemental?
young patrol
4 damage is not much of a payoff
ebon creek
[[rust elemental]]
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young patrol
I guess they can't choose to not sacrifice anything
And you probably pick the person who isn't making treasures
dusky needle
I have a commander that does life gain.
What card do you think is better [[the gaffer]] or [[dawn of hope]] ? On surface level it would seem like gaffer is. However, creatures are twice as likely to be removed. Do you think that matters?
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Enchantment
Whenever you gain life, you may pay . If you do, draw a card.
: Create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token with lifelink.
"To wage war, secure peace within yourself." —Emmara
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dusky needle
1. Do you gain a lot (>3) of life each turn?
2. Do you have a lot of small amou...
I have a lifelink general. [[Brion Stoutarm]] he does pretty much give you more than 3 every time you use him. Combat or otherwise.
Boros... So a bit more difficult to ramp and therefore harder to get mana. He doesn't care about small tokens.
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Legendary Creature — Giant Warrior
Lifelink
, , Sacrifice another creature: Brion Stoutarm deals damage equal to the sacrificed creature's power to target player or planeswalker.
Boggarts and disturbing bits of boggarts flew through the air with alarming and untidy regularity.
4/4
rotund forge
How much lifelink isn't tied to your commander?
dusky needle
Maybe one other card. That's it. Not too many draw option in boros. Esper sentinel is way too expensive atm. I ofc run skullclamp
rotund forge
[[Well of Lost Dreams]]?
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Artifact
Whenever you gain life, you may pay , where X is less than or equal to the amount of life you gained. If you do, draw X cards.
Some say the knowledge lost during the Ritual of Rebuking is returned through the well's waters.
dusky needle
[[Well of Lost Dreams]]?
yep. got that one.
ebon creek
I have a commander that does life gain.
What card do you think is better [[the ...
97% of all statistics are made up on the spot
i jest, but the gaffer is way better
triggering for free on every turn (most of the time) is much better than 2 mana per card
nocturne imp
I hope that this is the right place to ask this. I have a friend who is interested in getting into magic/commander. He doesnt know exactly what kind of deck he wants. But wanted something with:
rotund forge
Absolutely. I have a few questions!
What are the decks he'd likely be playing against going to be like? (this is assuming you are one of the people he'd be playing against)
Has your friend played any other card games like Hearthstone, Flesh and Blood, Pokemon or Slay the Spire?
The second question is useful because it can help with ideas on the sort of decks he might find enjoyable
For example, my brother used to play Hearthstone and he really liked decks with death triggers. He's enjoyed the Zombie starter precon a lot
reef yacht
What would happen if I have [[Ashnod Uncaring]] and activate [[Sloppity Bilepiper]]
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Creature — Demon
Jolly Gutpipes — , , Sacrifice a creature: The next creature spell you cast this turn has cascade. (When you cast your next creature spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card that costs less. You may cast it without paying its mana cost. Put the exiled cards on the bottom of your library in a random order.)
3/3
reef yacht
Will I get double cascade on one card or will I get cascade on two cards?
raw token
Double cascade
reef yacht
Thanks
If you have [[Clan Crafter]] with Ashnod, she will see herself and double trigger a card draw and counter correct? Since she has the ability?
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Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have ", Sacrifice an artifact: Put a +1/+1 counter on this creature and draw a card."
Trained by a dwarven master, you see the potential in every scrap of metal.
raw token
Yeah, she will double that
reef yacht
Ok thanks. Brewing her atm and goldfishing so its a lot of new stuff I need to learn how it interacts with her.
Oh. I thought I wrote this on the rules channel. 🤦🏻♂️
Im dumb XD
Anyway since I’m here. Aside from EDHREC, any recommendations for cards that would make her busted or just generally work well with her?
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zinc minnow
Saltiest cards for [[urza, lord high artficer]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
When Urza, Lord High Artificer enters the battlefield, create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control."
Tap an untapped artifact you control: Add .
: Shuffle your library, then exile the top card. Until end of turn, you may play that card without paying its mana cost.
1/4
rotund forge
That's hard. Because you have ones like [[back to basics]] and [[winter orb]]
rotund forge
But then a lot also do polymorph->hullbreaker horror
ebon creek
I hope that this is the right place to ask this. I have a friend who is interes...
[[vaevictus asmadi]] might be a good fit? the commander is good to have out but he packs tons of interaction, good colors, and can synergize pretty well with on death effects
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Legendary Creature — Elder Dragon
Flying
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Vaevictis Asmadi unless you pay .
: Vaevictis Asmadi gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
: Vaevictis Asmadi gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
: Vaevictis Asmadi gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
7/7
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reef yacht
Did edits to my teysa deck. Any suggestions/feedback?
reef yacht
Bump
spring halo
Did edits to my teysa deck. Any suggestions/feedback?
https://www.moxfield.com/...
I'd personally add both Bloodsoaked Champion and Carnival of Souls. They seem to fit what you want to do with returning creatures and big swing turns and add more combo potential to the deck. I'd probably swap Sacrifice and Inkshield since it looks like you'll more or less be be tapping out in most of your turns and Carnival might net more mana than Sacrifice does in other turns. Not seeing any obvious cuts that need to be made though
reef yacht
I'd personally add both Bloodsoaked Champion and Carnival of Souls. They seem to...
Thanks for this. I had Inkshield mostly as a way to get tokens+fog. I also have a [[Batwing Brume]] i want to slot in but unable to find what to cut
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Instant
Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt this turn if was spent to cast this spell. Each player loses 1 life for each attacking creature they control if was spent to cast this spell. (Do both if was spent.)
rotund forge
@queen ivy for the flying men, I was looking at adapting the highlander flying men deck. It's theoretically 4c but it would be bant or esper
I have an azorius fliers currently but that's not entirely the same thing.
But you can see the only banned thing in Commander is the mox sapphire. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/03nwbMiw_kuVPrfHsrpAyQ
queen ivy
<@180801337947193345> for the flying men, I was looking at adapting the highland...
I watched the CanLander episode from LRR recently and it has kind of rekindled my desire to work on it haha
I really, REALLY love flying men.dek
I’ve tried building it in basically every format
rotund forge
I realized Siani/Sidar Kondo was an interesting combination, but it doesn't allow for breena
queen ivy
But you can see the only banned thing in Commander is the mox sapphire. https://...
I feel like this deck would be insanely good as a dimir deck when you include dauthi voidwalker and all the good unblockable black creatures
rotund forge
Silas Renn/Sidar Kondo works but feels very against the idea of flying men with them both on the ground.
queen ivy
If you really wanna do flying men in 4c do Ravos//Kraum
They fly and are both insanely good
rotund forge
[[Kamiz]] is actually an interesting idea here.
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graceful knot
Kamiz is such a sick deck I gotta say
Its quickly become a real favourite of mine
Bone Miser mid combat to activate abilities/gain advantage, unblockable cheap [[shadowgrange archfiend]], constant damage and board control through Looting into [[feast of sanity], late game reanimation
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Creature — Demon
When Shadowgrange Archfiend enters the battlefield, each opponent sacrifices a creature with the greatest power among creatures they control. You gain life equal to the greatest power among creatures sacrificed this way.
Madness—, Pay 8 life. (If you discard this card, discard it into exile. When you do, cast it for its madness cost or put it into your graveyard.)
8/4
graceful knot
[[Feast of sanity]]
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rotund forge
I have that in [[Varina]]
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
Whenever you attack with one or more Zombies, draw that many cards, then discard that many cards. You gain that much life.
, Exile two cards from your graveyard: Create a tapped 2/2 black Zombie creature token.
4/4
queen ivy
@rotund forge here’s what I’ve got so far:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UrqV5Qqp4kOG7H84CP7ijQ
Still trying to come up with a clever name
queen ivy
My 4c edition of this was blue farm-to-table
I might just leave it as “Esper farm” for now
rotund forge
I admit I don't know if I'd do two tymnas or just go with Malcolm/Tymna since he also flies.
queen ivy
True
Maybe I’ll just stick Malcolm in the 99 and swap them out to see which is more effective
Curse the many fun 3 drops in magic, I want Lurrus as my companion
rotund forge
[[Jenson Carthalion]] flying men?
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Legendary Creature — Human Druid
Whenever you cast a multicolored spell, scry 1. If that spell was all colors, create a 4/4 white Angel creature token with flying and vigilance.
, : Add .
He was born with the crescent-moon Mark of the Elder Druid, tying his fate to the druids of the Juniper Order.
2/2
severe bane
Hey all, I'm a total beginner here, so I would like some input from more seasoned players
A friend of mine learned a game I like, and I'm trying to learn this game, specifically this format
So far, I really like playing with Green and Blue cards (maybe a bit of White too)
So would a Deck with Aesi be a good starting point for someone like me who doesn't intend to go to big tournaments?
Specifically, I have a budget list from the Commander's Quarters
On CardMarket, with shipping included, it costs about about 62€ (about 25€ is shipping) but I'm willing to spend about 100€ since I'm used to spending that much on cardboard to have a decent Deck that can win most of the time.
Any recommendations if the list I posted is good enough or what would a good list with a bigger budget look like?
graceful knot
It's important to bear in mind that Aesi is a strong commander simply by virtue of being a complete resource engine (gets you both mana and cards, the two resources every deck needs.) So the deck should always at least function.
I think this list is a strong engine but I struggle to see it closing out games. I would think about some other "big threats" like Avenger of Zendikar, Multani, or something like Retreat to Kazandu to make your smaller creatures bigger and get some powerful lifegain in a pinch.
I would maybe also take out a land or two to fit those big threats in. Landfall decks need a lot of land but this one can probably sit pretty at 40 and not experience issues.
I know you're new, but are you looking for anything specific out of this other than just "it functions and can win games"? @severe bane
severe bane
Not really, as I said, from quickly learning the game and trying all the colours, the general design of blue and green captivated me the most, and researching further, Aesi seems like a good combo of both
So I would like to get a deck on the 70€ range that focuses on Aesi (it'll most likely amount to 100€ due to shipping)
So I would like to go to my friend's locals to play Commander with him with this one card I like
If he was able to do that for me and my game (fyi, YuGiOh Edison format), I can do that for him as well and I do like the game from what I played
graceful knot
Then I pretty much stand by what I said. I think there's a lot of "getting land into play" cards in this deck and not quite enough "actually doing things with all that mana" cards. If you put the name of a card into square brackets you can show cards here also, in case you hadn't seen.
I would cut two lands, and Journey of Discovery, minimum.
Add in [[Avenger of zendikar]] (or frankly any big green/blue guy you like the look of, but Avenger is a classic landfall card.) A [[Rite of replication]] can also swing games something crazy by copying an opponents best thing, and then something big and tramply like [[multani, yavimaya]] who will also recur himself and get you more land triggers.
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Sorcery
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Create a token that's a copy of target creature. If this spell was kicked, create five of those tokens instead.
Legendary Creature — Elemental Avatar
Reach, trample
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar gets +1/+1 for each land you control and each land card in your graveyard.
, Return two lands you control to their owner's hand: Return Multani from your graveyard to your hand.
0/0
severe bane
Would you say the Deck has enough removal options?
graceful knot
For creatures yeah, a lot of them are late game drops like the island=bounce spell and creature but that doesn't matter much since you should be accelerating into them quite fast. Maybe worth something like [[bane of progress]] instead of the Aether Gale in the list. Having a body attached to your big removal is always a good thing.
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severe bane
Thank you, big help! Btw are there any online simulators (manual or automated) to try the Deck out before buying?
graceful knot
Moxfield is a deckbuilding/collection website with an excellent playtesting tool.
Learning to use it now will work wonders for any future endeavours.
Some people play their games just screen sharing the site through discord
severe bane
Good to know! So basically, I should be fine if I implement your changes to the list?
graceful knot
I mean you'll be fine as it is but those are my recommendations for making it a bit more consistently threatening.
In short; yes but I feel anxious taking responsibility for future game experiences if things go bad lol
There's definitely room to go up from there but best to test it first
severe bane
Naah, don't think I'll hold any grudgeds against you just because I will lose
It's natural to lose, but we need to keep improving
Thank you for the tips and have a nice day!
reef yacht
I’m trying to add Avacyn and Serra Emissary to this deck. IDK what to cut so I’d like some feedback.
tardy pebble
https://archidekt.com/decks/5129525/miniature_giant_hamster_from_space
need help with the last 6 cuts, anyone? ❤️
rotund forge
I’m trying to add Avacyn and Serra Emissary to this deck. IDK what to cut so I’d...
8 mana avacyn?
I feel like Loyal Guardian is standing out like a sore thumb
While it does one of the sub themes you have built into your deck it's not a human or an angel which seems a stronger theme.
reef yacht
8 mana avacyn?
Yes. Also Serra Emissary. So i can, If I get a chance, be invincible XD. I doubt I’ll ever get there but yeah
rotund forge
Is having all 3 sigardas just a thematic thing?
reef yacht
Yes
rotund forge
Arcus Acolyte is a card I found really awkward
reef yacht
It is. Its just one of those cards there for extra support but I’ll admit that it has sat close to being cut.
rotund forge
[[Biophagus]]
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Creature — Human Tyranid Wizard
Genomic Enhancement — : Add one mana of any color. If this mana is spent to cast a creature spell, that creature enters the battlefield with an additional +1/+1 counter on it.
"We guarantee you that within a week, you will feel like a new man." —Galaxos Klynesmith, biophagus
1/3
reef yacht
I think that’s in my Atraxa deck
rotund forge
[[Tribute to the world tree]]
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reef yacht
Same issue. Its fine. Im not that really attached to Arcus Acolyte.
Most of the new stuff for plus one counters is in Atraxa
i’ve considered also cutting Archangel Elspeth, and Mirran Crusader and adding [[Fiendslayer Paladin]], both mono-white odrics, and [[Everdawn Champion]]
rotund forge
huh
reef yacht
I also have a [[Keeper of the Accord]] i think I’ll add for arcus
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sterile mantle
Considering getting the Planeswalker Precon and turning it into a superfriends/polymorph deck. Mainly adding polymorph spells/beaters/planeswalkers that either create tokens or copy spells (and polymorph Lukka). Just going from that, how many beaters should one usually run in a polymorph deck?
rotund forge
I'm used to there being at most 2 (Tidespout + Hullbreaker) I'm trying to think what the difference is in this case where you aren't running as many instants.
You're basically only running creatures that you want to be polymorph hits.
sterile mantle
The question for me is where is the sweet spot between:
And just going with 2-3 beaters won't usually be enough to win in a combat meta and i don't want to polymorph into nothing just because i caught a few removal spells
rotund forge
I'd put creatures that shuffle back into your library in then.
queen ivy
Shuffle titans have entered the chat
rotund forge
Or [[Guile]]
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rotund forge
[[Purity]] and [[Hostility]] are the other two of that cycle
rotund forge
original [[Yidaro|IKO]] helps a bit on it too just because you can cycle it
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Legendary Creature — Dinosaur Turtle
Trample, haste
Cycling
When you cycle Yidaro, Wandering Monster, shuffle it into your library from your graveyard. If you've cycled a card named Yidaro, Wandering Monster four or more times this game, put it onto the battlefield from your graveyard instead. (Do this before you draw.)
8/8
rotund forge
So this is more of a general discussion than one to put in my deck brewing thread. I'm struggling trying to finish [[Narci|CMM]]
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rotund forge
And I'm not sure where to go with it at this point
queen ivy
She’s got 2 of the 4 fundamentals you need for a commander deck, so it can’t be that bad
Card draw, way to end the game
Sagas can do quite a bit as well
I’m interested to see where you’re struggling
rotund forge
That's part of the problem I bet.
But, scope creep is probably the main one.
I had to take the average list on edhrec and work from there to not be like 30 over.
If you're wondering [[Vizkopa Guildmage]] creates a delayed trigger so you can activate it on your upkeep and stack multiple times for Narci's trigger
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Creature — Human Wizard
: Target creature gains lifelink until end of turn.
: Whenever you gain life this turn, each opponent loses that much life.
2/2
rotund forge
So even just once it doubles the amount of life each opponent loses for one saga.
queen ivy
Are you doing sagas or generic enchantments?
rotund forge
I think it's ending up weighing more heavily towards sagas.
queen ivy
[[Abzan Ascendancy]] does nothing for you then
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queen ivy
[[Daxos Returned]] is just kinda cute
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Soldier
Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, you get an experience counter.
: Create a white and black Spirit enchantment creature token. It has "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of experience counters you have."
2/2
rotund forge
And the spirit part is one I'm having issues ignoring I think.
queen ivy
They’re not enchantments, let alone sagas
rotund forge
[[Spirit Sister's Call]] is one I keep going back and forth on too.
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rotund forge
I also still don't love [[Battle at the Hell Vault]]
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queen ivy
Exile one thing for two turns, two things for one turn, then make a fat 8/8
For 6 mana that’s kinda cheeks
I’d rather just use [[Austere command]] naming artifacts and creatures that don’t include your commander
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rotund forge
[[Duneblast]]
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queen ivy
Right
rotund forge
I couldn't remember how much it got
queen ivy
[[Promise of Bunrei]]? I don’t even run that in spirit tribal
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rotund forge
It sacrifices itself and makes 4 bodies
queen ivy
I mean, eh
rotund forge
Maybe [[Angelic Renewal]] instead
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rotund forge
My problem with hellvault is probably the 8/8 -_- I don't like creatures that are too big.
rotund forge
But you can see if you look in I've managed to scope creep again even while making cuts
I keep running into the problem of also seeing Anikthea.
And they're different decks and there's overlap
queen ivy
Yea, there is unfortunately going to be a lot of the precon effect
rotund forge
And enchantress in general
rotund forge
FWIW, this is the draft I came up with last night https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NbPcn1dmL0-FYpRyzmaYDA
rotund forge
Cutting [[Satyr Enchanter]] actually felt good. It was the only enchantress that wasn't an enchantment or a human.
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final orchid
Someone tell me I don’t need this cause lord help me for mono black
rotund forge
I mean, it depends on the level you're playing
If you're doing cEDH Krrick then it's a different answer.
reef yacht
It looks pretty and I want it just because of that tbh*
rotund forge
[[Liberated Dwarf]]?
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Creature — Dwarf
, Sacrifice Liberated Dwarf: Target green creature gets +1/+0 and gains first strike until end of turn.
Freed from their chains, these dwarves are bound only by honor.
1/1
rotund forge
It just feels like the one that has the highest chance of being dead, even playing cEDH.
In terms of activated abilities.
tribal jetty
Both Liberated and Enslaved are pretty bad in this deck since it's mono-red, but I just use them to tap them down for treasures
rotund forge
I don't know, transmogrant?
tribal jetty
What about [[Maskwood Nexus]]?
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Artifact
Creatures you control are every creature type. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield.
, : Create a 2/2 blue Shapeshifter creature token with changeling. (It is every creature type.)
queen ivy
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/lvUgdNhinU6UlpXWD2OXHw
ROCKITY ROCK AND STONE!
rotund forge
Azorius enchantments with or that care about flash https://scryfall.com/search?q=commander%3Aazorius+t%3Aenchantment+o%3Aflash+format%3Acommander&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
young patrol
Deck idea: Every creature and spell can be done twice. Encore, Unearth, Flashback, Aftermath, Aventures
Is it concievable that there would be enough cards?
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rotund forge
or [[Ghost Ark]]
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Artifact — Vehicle
Flying
Repair Barge — Whenever Ghost Ark becomes crewed, each artifact creature card in your graveyard gains unearth until end of turn.
Crew 2 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 2 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
3/3
queen ivy
Deck idea: Every creature and spell can be done twice. Encore, Unearth, Flashbac...
It's very possible
royal pewter
Not sure what power level this would be but I made a list for me and my friends to play. We all agreed for our table no infinites so I’m not playing All Will Be One
Any suggestions would be appreciated since I’m not so good at deck building
queen ivy
Any suggestions would be appreciated since I’m not so good at deck building
I'd recommend you make a post through the #1020353936592470147 forum options for a detailed look into the deck
You're in the "General Deckbuilding questions" section
royal pewter
My bad I’ll go do that
queen ivy
No prob!
young patrol
Suppose you're going to play [[Park Map]].
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Artifact
, Sacrifice Park Map: Search your library for a land card that doesn't have the same art as a permanent you control, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
It's always up-to-date, so visitors know what rides are open, how long the lines are, and which areas are closed due to gremlins.
young patrol
Do you
A: actively choose to play matching basics so it has downside from Expedition Map?
B: Minmax and find mismatched basics?
C: Play matching basics because not doing so would bother you too much?
raw token
I would play Matching basics I think, especially as its primarily going to be used to get a nonbasic
queen ivy
It’s fetching a non basic 99% of the time anyway
rotund forge
@queen ivy to pull the Nashi thing here, I realized it because of Spice8Racks rat deck from Shuffle Up and play.
That Nashi can run [[Bloodbond March
[[Bloodbond March]]
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queen ivy
Oh yea lol, I had a friend that was trying to make that work
They were trying to pull off some 11 card combo with it and rats
rotund forge
_<
queen ivy
It’s a pretty sweet card
OOH
I just had an idea
That enchantment in a [[Muldrotha]] [[Persistent Petitioners]] deck
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Creature — Human Advisor
, : Target player mills a card.
Tap four untapped Advisors you control: Target player mills twelve cards.
A deck can have any number of cards named Persistent Petitioners.
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rotund forge
😆
queen ivy
Mill, sac your petitioners, cast a petitioner, reanimate
Over and over
You could even mill yourself the first few times so it’s more effective
rotund forge
I'd think you'd end up always milling yourself unless you run Bruvac
queen ivy
Well, perhaps if you’re going the thoracle strategy
I always feel like that’s a pretty cheap way to win, even if you do it manually
rotund forge
😅
I have pretty versions of tainted pact, demonic consultation and thoracle that I want to run in a deck but then I keep getting cold feet because I don't have a regular cEDH group.
[[!tainted pact|sta]] [[!demonic consultation|sld]] [[!Thassa's Oracle|SLD]]
rotund forge
And, honestly, the feelings about them are such that even in that context people would probably heavily sigh.
queen ivy
I have pretty versions of tainted pact, demonic consultation and thoracle that I...
Just run them as tutors ez
I have tainted pact in my cedh winconless stax list and it’s pretty useful
rotund forge
I wish that worked psychologically.
queen ivy
I’m not sure what that means
rotund forge
People have reactions to cards when they're played and there are ones that are viewed only as worst case scenario
Like if [[Gravecrawler]] turns up.
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queen ivy
True, but when you show them you’re legit using it for what you say it’s not bad
I usually bring it up in rule zero if it’s egregious
rotund forge
😅
I just need a playgroup where I can play the decks I want to. That's a separate issue.
vivid pulsar
[[Bloodbond March]]
I love that card, though I've never had an excuse to run it in commander
vivid pulsar
I just need a playgroup where I can play the decks I want to. That's a separate ...
Tell me about it 😭
rotund forge
Have you watched that Shuffle Up and Play episode?
Spice8Rack was playing a Guillaume deck and it did a lot of work. Having the cast being tacked to the commander feels like a good idea
Gyome
Especially when it can use something like [[Perplexing test]] and not get rid of the tokens made with Nashi
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rotund forge
@queen ivy Brenard would bring the Mycosynth Golem back as a 1/1 and then everything would have affinity.
Even if it died right away to the flash.
rotund forge
But, even without that, I have so many bad deck ideas for this
rotund forge
[[Encroaching Mycosynth]], Mycosynth Golem, [[Eternal Scourge]], mana positive altar
rotund forge
Eternal scourge's cost is reduced by 3 and can be cast from exile, etc.
rotund forge
OK so. There's a card I need convincing on
[[Precursor Golem]] I've never been whelmed by it but everyone seems to view it as essential to any deck with golems
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queen ivy
[[Precursor Golem]] I've never been whelmed by it but everyone seems to view it ...
Specifically with ich-tekkik, golem etbs are great
That’s basically it
queen ivy
More golems to sac?
rotund forge
I have an ich-tekik/akiri deck and it's been a point of contention between myself and my husband since I built the deck 😅
queen ivy
Usually you’re slamming the golems into the yard so one card making three golems is pretty sweet
rotund forge
I tend to sac other things somehow.
They'll fight things
If I sac something usually it was made by Feldon
Or a rock
mossy marsh
Am I reading things wrong or is
[[Totentanz, swarm piper]] + ashnods altar + [[nim deathmantle]] + 1 existing token = infinite sac/death triggers???
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Legendary Creature — Human Warlock Bard
Whenever Totentanz, Swarm Piper or another nontoken creature you control dies, create a 1/1 black Rat creature token with "This creature can't block."
: Target attacking Rat you control gains deathtouch until end of turn.
Among the rats, he found the acceptance the human world never gave him.
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2, has intimidate, and is a black Zombie. (A creature with intimidate can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or creatures that share a color with it.)
Whenever a nontoken creature is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, you may pay . If you do, return that card to the battlefield and attach Nim Deathmantle to it.
Equip
mossy marsh
Okay so nothing new just my brain just clicking
royal pewter
Is it possible to get [[pokukranos unchained]] to escape twice in a turn as your commander in order to make a super big guy who can kill with commander damage
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Hydra
Polukranos enters the battlefield with six +1/+1 counters on it. It escapes with twelve +1/+1 counters on it instead.
If damage would be dealt to Polukranos while it has a +1/+1 counter on it, prevent that damage and remove that many +1/+1 counters from it.
: Polukranos fights another target creature.
Escape—, Exile six other cards from your graveyard.
0/0
graceful knot
I mean yes it can escape twice, but it has to die in inbetween, and each time will get 12 counters. It will never, without the aid of other cards that double or otherwise increase the number of counters, come in from the grave via escape with any more or less than 12 counters.
royal pewter
So if I used a card that let me destroy it would it also go to grave?
graceful knot
if you want it to
opal roost
Can someone help me make 5 cuts to this Smeagol birthing pod list?
rotund forge
Can someone help me make 5 cuts to this Smeagol birthing pod list?
https://www....
I'm not sure about Rotten Reunion in this list.
I'm usually in favor of graveyard hate and sac fodder but I don't know that it does enough, even at 1 mana
Also, I just looked, it looks like you made the 5 cuts?
Or at least it shows it at 100 cards
rotund forge
So I'm updating my Narci list and I'm wondering what people think of [[Knight of Doves]]
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pale monolith
So for new deck should I play thalia and gitrog or just gitrog for my commander and pros and cons
raw token
Before we can answer that, what kind of deck do you want? What kind of games do you play? How powerfull are your regular opponent's? What is the usual social contract?
We need to know what kind of environment you plan to build for
pale monolith
Before we can answer that, what kind of deck do you want? What kind of games do ...
I have one veteran player that I usually have to keep in check while the other 4 are relatively newer or less knowledgeable about older cards most of the time everyone okay as long as cedh style decks come out
One of the newer players has multiple borderline cedh but he lacks the knowledge to tweak to make take them to that level
raw token
So both are strong cards that are definitely more for tables that are cool with combo and stax type decks.
Gitrog is a very high power at minimum, if not cEDH combo deck, and generally pretty much nothing else.
Thalia and the Gitrog are a weird lands deck for high end casual play
pale monolith
Ok thanks
Got ideas for some lower end casual style commanders as I've built pioneer boros commander and was able to successfully combat with them and hold off 4 players lost to a green black land saporling pinger
gray nest
Bad casual commanders you say?
What type of deck are you thinking?
pale monolith
I'm open to anything as long as not the orginal vanilla legendaries for legends
Even restrictions like pioneer don't bother me trying to show them that it's not all bout the rares and mythics
gray nest
That's a really wide net
graceful knot
Lower end casual has a great slew of signpost legends from various standard sets
pale monolith
My big problem is used to playing pro tour level
raw token
When you say though that one of the folks has borderline cEDH decks, and theres a veteran player who needs to be in check, that sounds like a great meta for Thalia and the Gitrog to me
A weird lands deck that can hold someone back but isn't as... direct as Gitrog combo seems cool
graceful knot
Thaila and Gitrog can be a very powerful deck! That light stax effect and powerful keywords and draw really does make a complete package.
gray nest
[[Vega, the watcher]], [[argus kos, eternal soldier]], [[Kelsien the plague]] would all be on my list for lower end casual
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Legendary Creature — Spirit Soldier
Vigilance
Whenever Agrus Kos, Eternal Soldier becomes the target of an ability that targets only it, you may pay 
. If you do, copy that ability for each other creature you control that ability could target. Each copy targets a different one of those creatures. ( can be paid with either or .)
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Legendary Creature — Human Assassin
Vigilance, haste
Kelsien, the Plague gets +1/+1 for each experience counter you have.
: Kelsien deals 1 damage to target creature you don't control. When that creature dies this turn, you get an experience counter.
"Aim for an eye. Better they never see you."
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graceful knot
We have one in our group who switches to kamahl/ravos if we want a less crazy game
queen ivy
[[Vega, the watcher]], [[argus kos, eternal soldier]], [[Kelsien the plague]] wo...
The most recent episode of Quest for the Janklord had me hyped up like crazy because of [[Gallia of the endless dance]]
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queen ivy
Love myself some great aggro strategies
gray nest
Love Gallia
One day she'll be a bard and I can have her lead a party deck
queen ivy
I’ve been on an aggro kick building Subira, Ognis, [[Garna, Bloodfist of Keld]], and I’m thinking of doing Gallia too but she would likely have the same problem as Ognis
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queen ivy
My problem with Ognis is that once the board gets even a little gummed up there’s nothing you can do to get through but board wipe and start over
And it’s really, really easy to draw the wrong half of your deck which I’m famous for doing
rotund forge
Mm
I think you could do pseudo-typal with Gallia right now
The good fauns that exist care about enchantments (auras), the graveyard and clones.
ex: [[Loamcrafter Faun]]
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rotund forge
Clones of that get the same etb
