[Neo] A buildcraft remake and port with new textures, quality of life improvements, some new features and most important of all, the original feeling!
https://github.com/Thepigcat76/Buildcraft-Legacy
https://youtu.be/id7kDlHstBk
#Buildcraft Legacy
mortal pawn
plush kelp
[Neo] A buildcraft remake and port with new textures, quality of life improvemen...
were the pipes really that slow in bc?
i always used gold (?) pipes
mortal pawn
no i dont think so, I will still tweak the values
plush kelp
still, very cool :3
mortal pawn
thanks ❤️
mortal pawn
wooden pipes for extracting
wintry hull
noway
queen notch
were the pipes really that slow in bc?
I think stonepipes are supposed to be slower than that actually
mortal pawn
really? I tested them a bit and i feel like the old bc ones were actually faster
queen notch
I can go try wait
I gotta say I do like your textures but they do feel a bit busy
too noisy
but I also prefer the old bc textures with solid colors
I don't even know maybe those are official textures
I think you actually got it pretty spot on
wintry hull
The "basic" tier pipes were so slow XD
queen notch
I don't know why the framerate is so weird
mortal pawn
I gotta say I do like your textures but they do feel a bit busy
yea thats fair. I already tried to only use 2 colors each. I might look into making them a bit less noisy 👍
queen notch
I think if there was more of pattern to it it would be fine even with more colors
for stone and wood it's actually not too bad cause it's obviously rough materials
maybe tone down the contrast a bit
I really like the arrow on the wood showing what it's doing
mortal pawn
decided to add these bad boys. Although technically they were part of factorization i think they fit with the buildcraft style
queen notch
yes i love factorization barrels every "better barrel" mod has been worse
queen notch
ive been wanting to revive every tekkit/ftb mod from back then
queen notch
we gotta team up sometime im remaking older mystcraft for the fest
queen notch
its going great but i havent tackled dimension writing yet
mortal pawn
oh yea i can imagine that this is pain
mortal pawn
tried to reduce the amount of contrast a bit
queen notch
thats great actually
wintry hull
ive been wanting to revive every tekkit/ftb mod from back then
Samee
wintry hull
i wanna recreate ftb ultimate
That would be lots of fun
mortal pawn
crate rendering done
queen notch
is it going to show the total number instead of stacks ?
mortal pawn
yea
glad adder
out of curiosity, are you using framebuffers to render the item stack?
mortal pawn
out of curiosity, are you using framebuffers to render the item stack?
i dont think so... what do those do?
glad adder
they are also called render textures
mortal pawn
i am just calling ItemRenderer#renderItem
queen notch
btw I guess it's related to this is FE still a 1:1 of MJs
mortal pawn
yea and then i scale the item on the z-axis so its flat
glad adder
that always ruins the shading for me though :c
it doesn't seem like that happened to you though, so I'm wondering what did I do wrong
mortal pawn
i set the light level to fullbright and translated it by 0.01 so its not in the block
queen notch
are you scaling it to 0 ?
glad adder
no no I don't mean the lighting, I mean the shading
where one horizontal axis is shaded darker than the other
normally if you flatten the block model its sides would end up facing the same direction, and thus receive the same shading
mortal pawn
are you scaling it to 0 ?
no, 0.0001
queen notch
yeah that's what I thought
mortal pawn
normally if you flatten the block model its sides would end up facing the same d...
hmmm weird...
queen notch
I'd assume chai you're scaling it to 0 instead of leaving some thickness for the lighting to render correctly
glad adder
no, but that also doesn't change it
the sides should be perpendicular to each other, and scaling it down by any factor makes it more parallel, and thus have a closer directional shading
queen notch
no clue then
glad adder
I'll just have to experiment more
queen notch
you're on fabric right ? maybe something's just different
glad adder
i am just calling ItemRenderer#renderItem
is this a neoforge function then?
it does look different cause I use a draw context object
mortal pawn
i have an ItemDisplayContext
wintry hull
ive been wanting to revive every tekkit/ftb mod from back then
i just thought about this more and suddently want to recreate tekkit desperately-
mortal pawn
yea i asked the ftb devs for permission to port ftbic but they haven’t gotten back to me yet
i dont wanna use my own ic2 port, cuz that is very different from the original mod
sinful depot
tried to reduce the amount of contrast a bit
what if the texture is made to have larger clusters instead?
mortal pawn
hmmm i can try that
mortal pawn
okiiiii
lets get back to this
me needs to fix pipe routing
and then maybe engines and oil?
queen notch
what's wrong with the pipe routing ?
mortal pawn
there is some stuff that needs to be implemented like itemstacks merging, itemstacks not being inserted in itemhandler if they are not matching... so not really routing, but itemhandler stuff
mortal pawn
yea
queen notch
simple and convenient for splitting stacks
mortal pawn
I do intend to rework routing so the item pipes dont tick (hopefully i can manage to pull that off) but that is post-modfest
ember dustBOT
This mod would go great in the #1290871220589428847 mall
Do you want to build a section in the mall for it or do you mind if we make one there?
mortal pawn
oooh I would love to build a section there, yes
mortal pawn
we are so back boys 'n girls
mortal pawn
tanks can now be joined
ember dustBOT
since i'm adding my own void fluid, is there anything i could do to make integration smoother?
jovial goblet
since i'm adding my own void fluid, is there anything i could do to make integra...
the only other mod i know of that adds "void fluid" would be Yttr
mortal pawn
since i'm adding my own void fluid, is there anything i could do to make integra...
what does your void fluid do?
ember dustBOT
right now it just makes your screen extremely dark when submerged and doesn't drown you, and I'm not really sure what to do with it next
thepigcat ↩️
queen notch
teleports you to -65 below it when you enter it
ember dustBOT
I admit that my mods are inspired by Yttr
unilock ↩️
Well I wanted to make it so players and mobs that touch it go invisible and silent (including footsteps and block breaking) as if they didn't exist, but only for others
MyNamesRaph ↩️
and it kills all items except ones tagged as #legacy_landscape:void_invulnerable which Dust of Decay would have
I love Yttr. It feels a lot like an old 1.7 mod
Sarah [it/fae/she] | Sylv: The Wrath of The Fae ↩️
and I love the void
which is what Yttr is about
I'm not gonna lie the decaying chunks were also somewhat taken from Yttr, but these are player-made rather than biomes or structures
I'm playing along with Minecraft's idea of player-induced catastrophe
like how Dust of Decay (created when Jappa's Wand breaks) is unstackable and invulnerable to all damage
it's permanent waste
queen notch
I do not know what a yttr is
ember dustBOT
and decaying chunks are permanent waste too
#1-21-screenshots message here's an example of the effects of the void fluid
it doesn't do any damage btw, that was me
jovial goblet
I do not know what a yttr is
eccentric mod
https://modrinth.com/mod/yttr
queen notch
looks cool
mortal pawn
gears
queen notch
gold gear's got a friend now
mortal pawn
thanks. i read the buildcraft guidebook and it said that gold gears were small and intricate
so i made them that way
mortal pawn
should gears require the previous tier to be crafted?
queen notch
yes
it's annoying but I think the cost is more balanced and I like to craft stacks of the lower tiers to craft the higher ones when I need
also keeps them always relevant
you don't end up with useless gears laying around that way
mortal pawn
kk, thats fair
queen notch
of course use tags so that if people want cheaper gears they can get them elsewhere
ember dustBOT
another way to do this is to make them have specific uses that other gears don't have
MyNamesRaph ↩️
e.g. gold gears turn can transfer energy more efficiently but break quicker
queen notch
they're crafting components
and while there are definitely lower tier things you'll keep crafting you're probably not gonna go back and make the base engine once you have the better ones
queen notch
make it flammable please
mortal pawn
if i dont forget to xD
queen notch
make it burn really fast too
sinful depot
I don't think the oil should have any transparency in the tank
queen notch
oh yeah that looks weird
glad adder
mortal pawn
I don't think the oil should have any transparency in the tank
yea, the texture is temporary
but fluid textures are annoying ._.
ember dustBOT
that looks extremely similar to void fluid
thepigcat ↩️
is there any way you could differentiate it
like maybe add rainbow-y texture
mortal pawn
is there any way you could differentiate it
texture is temporary, I will add a proper one
queen notch
crude oil is black
mortal pawn
fluid tanks now save their contents when broken!
wintry hull
Oh so now two of us have oil-
Just to make sure compat exists, is yours tagged with c:oil?
mortal pawn
nope not yet, will do so now!
wintry hull
Awesome, ty!
mortal pawn
no worries :3
glad adder
drinking compat when :3
wintry hull
:D
wintry hull
drinking compat when :3
I think that my straw checks by tag :3
ember dustBOT
void fluid tanks :o
thepigcat ↩️
wintry hull
So in theory, BuildCraft Oil should be drinkable via my straw XD
glad adder
ember dustBOT
what is this
EmmaTheAlchemist ↩️
ember dustBOT
you should make it so drinking void fluid gives you evanescence
queen notch
would be nice to have a config to have the tanks not retain fluid
ember dustBOT
it'd have to be direct interop though
Nicky [he/she] | Sylv: The Wrath of The Fae ↩️
glad adder
wintry hull
Lemme find the video of me drinking oil
#1290874742223536190 message
I need to tweak the oil colour in my mod lol
mortal pawn
would be nice to have a config to have the tanks not retain fluid
you think so? I think giving the player an option to empty the tank would be better
glad adder
I can't stop drinking oil!
wintry hull
It's so tasty :>
queen notch
you think so? I think giving the player an option to empty the tank would be bet...
so you can have the old mechanic back if you want to
queen notch
but yeah should definitely have a way to empty them
wintry hull
whats a wawa
wintry hull
but yeah should definitely have a way to empty them
Agreed
glad adder
~~whats a wawa~~
only the best gas station convenience store ever
wawa is practically a cult
mortal pawn
so you can have the old mechanic back if you want to
hmmmm I just dont know if people would actually want to have the old mechanic... but I guess it doesnt hurt to add a config option
wintry hull
Using a straw on a tank could be a great way of emptying it
...if you ignore the side-effects
wintry hull
I don't live in a state that has a wawa >o<
I've never seen it before so probably same
glad adder
oh would you look at the day, it's wawa wednesday!!
wintry hull
XD
queen notch
hmmmm I just dont know if people would actually want to have the old mechanic......
if I put it in a remake pack I'd definitely want it to be like the old ones
queen notch
QOL is nice but making it so fluids are harder to move around makes for nice challenges
glad adder
challenge is underrated versus QOL
you could make QOL be a reward for progression which gets the best of both worlds
queen notch
it's like when you choose if you want backpacks or not
glad adder
it's like those QOL Create addons that just add the perfect gear block you need, but then you don't have to think creatively how to solve the challenge without it
wintry hull
I dislike some of those addons so much 😭
glad adder
for the record it's valid to want to play with those addons
wintry hull
I feel like they take away from Create's fun a lot
glad adder
mhm, I agree
wintry hull
for the record it's valid to want to play with those addons
Oh 100%, I just personally dislike them
I like my chaotic gears that are miles worse than spaghetti-cabling
lusty mauve
hoagie 
ember dustBOT
@wintry hull what would need to be done on your side and my side to get void fluid interop working? perhaps you could implement a datapack or programmatic interface that i could add custom effects to?
wintry hull
Right now it's hardcoded but I want to make it use a data map or something. Although an interface would definitely be easier for now. After the modfest I can look into a data map solution though
mortal pawn
pwogwess!
mortal pawn
not yet functional, but they got a model :3
glad adder
nice!
queen notch
does it animate ?
wintry hull
<@647812268159008769> what would need to be done on your side and my side to ge...
I implemented this :P
wintry hull
not yet functional, but they got a model :3
Oooo!
wintry hull
It's not a datapack system yet
Atm it's just a List<IStrawAction> that I iterate through when a player drinks something
I think it'll work okay enough for now
ember dustBOT
is there a registry callback or should i inject
EmmaTheAlchemist ↩️
mortal pawn
does it animate ?
not yet functional but will be, hopefully today :3
wintry hull
is there a registry callback or should i inject
Neither, you just make a check for if my mod is present and if so call those functions
ember dustBOT
when?
EmmaTheAlchemist ↩️
wintry hull
Technically wherever but somewhere in your mod's init/constructor would probably be best
mortal pawn
TODO: Extracting items from crate, Engines 💀
livid nest
uh oh
I was going to suggest quarries but this seems more important
good luck! you can drop an ask in participants chat if you want help, sometimes people are free since they're done with their own mods
livid nest
good luck!!! looking forward to this
I want to make yellow cheese, and I can also make bars of soap, so I can be clean
queen notch
if you need quarry examples QuarryPlus is still up to date and open source
mortal pawn
if you need quarry examples QuarryPlus is still up to date and open source
yea, thats why i delayed the quarry to a later point
mortal pawn
piston rendering as entity model 🎉
mortal pawn
engine moving
wintry hull
🔥
mortal pawn
actually outputs energy now!
mortal pawn
gui fluid rendering, no custom recipes for combustion engine yet, it's based on tags for now
wintry hull
Gui fluid rendering was NOT fun for me 😭
I ended up adapting code from Create's FluidRenderer
mortal pawn
i stole jei's fluid renderer :p
wintry hull
Lol
mortal pawn
oki i am done 🎉
crude canopy
dunno why it renders black as an item, will fix it next week 🤷♂️
the creative mod tab name is good
itemGroup.examplemod
mortal pawn
fixed the lighting issue
mortal pawn
rotations 😭
mortal pawn
oki, engines should hopefully be done for now...
lusty mauve
mortal pawn
ooooh very cool! i willl definitely do that!
lusty mauve
mortal pawn
TODO: Engines can take in energy
lusty mauve
@mortal pawn since this is a very legacy mod, would you be interested in showing something off on the Timeless Island #1304258884508057700? It doesn't have to be your main booth if you don't want it to be.
wintry hull
My booth is really close to the timeless island (as in, right across the river). Maybe we could have underwater BC Legacy pipes to and from the island cycling different items
mortal pawn
yep sounds good!
queen notch
@mortal pawn this normal ?
queen notch
kk
mortal pawn
will publish a new version this evening
queen notch
love how the engines look
mortal pawn
thanks :3
tho currently the pipes dont require the engines cuz i wasnt able to implement that in time 🤷♂️
mortal pawn
yea still need to do balancing
the extraction/transfer speed is also hardcoded rn cuz there is only one tier of pipe
queen notch
would be nice if they were configurable/data driven
queen notch
like if you have some higher tier metal you could define a new pipe that goes faster than gold
mortal pawn
yeeeee
queen notch
and you could balance it how you want for large packs
could also maybe directly include additional pipes
glad adder
crate rendering done
I don't get it, I'm trying to do it exactly like you and the shading is totally flat :/
...what, it renders differently on neoforge?
glad adder
mhm, it's what pigcat did, I copied the code exactly
they just render differently on fabric and neoforge .w.
fabric is technically the correct one, but neoforge is the desirable one...
livid nest
what was the fix?
glad adder
scaling only the position matrix instead of the whole matrix, which would affect the normals
there's some more stuff that needs to be done to get the lighting right though
glad adder
Forge makes source patches to fix bugs in vanilla, so it wouldn't be unusual for them to change the behavior of matrix transformations to suit their idea of what they think it should be