Turn based mode

[zinc bone]

sounds like fun gamemode w/ friends cannot even lie

[past gust]

There's already a tetris clone like that: King Of Stackers. (But it's 7 pieces a turn, so it's not exactly what you described)

[indigo sapphire]

uhhh wouldn't the gamemode kinda suck when its 1 pieces per turn because it's too slow

[faint acorn]

well not only that, but it kinda ruins stacking freedom/choice in how to accept garbage

[solid merlin]

Okay, this concept has been proposed on at least twenty different occasions including the archi— wait, where'd the old feature request channel go?

Anyways, people have talked about this idea in length, and a lot of length. Around 3~5 pieces was the sweet spot, 7 pushes it a bit too far, and 1 is just... no

[faint acorn]

it still exists, but it's just hidden for everyone now

[solid merlin]

Ah, okay

Guess I can't go in there and yoink old convos though

[faint acorn]

well, here's the thread you made about this then:

[quick shadow]

It would be cool if its 1 piece per turn but we can premove

and you can place a piece if you are ≤ than your opponent, so if you placed 23 and your opponent 24, you can go 24 then 25, but next is your opponent turn

[royal wave]

1 piece turns aren't as slow as people think, really just depends on the players

[sonic dust]

you can literally just copy your opponent

king of stackers does it right

[solid merlin]

KoS gets away with a full bag because of its modified combotable. Turn-based as a TETR.IO request entails using one of TETR.IO's supported combotable rules, and so unless the KoS table gets adapted as well I can't say I'm a fan of going hard KoS

At least, that's what I think about it

The modified TETR.IO table might actually do just as much nerfing to non-B2B combos, especially if using only T-Spins

[north glen]

ive played some chesstris public lobbies and i think i enjoy being able to place more pieces at once rather than less

feels like you can complete a train of thought rahter than it being super choppy n stuff

[low viper]

1 piece is optimal against bots, 2 piece is optimal against other people. people should stop thinking about this as tetris but both players go same speed by force, this is tetris but completely different in all aspects of decisionmaking

[copper crane]

Turn based mode is actually a good idea imo

[hearty sail]

Anyone interested?

[hearty sail]

Also kos has no clock and is meant to be played over the course of days weeks or months

[tawdry basalt]

Isn’t Kos separate queues

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[quaint smelt]

okey

[rose kite]

Probably one that doesn't exist anymore

[quaint smelt]

ik but we really needed it
most ofthe players there couldn’t even count a bag’s worth of pieces

[rose kite]

I mean chesstris is definitely one of the more popular unofficial modes out there

It's quite fun

[faint acorn]

you sure about that

maybe i'm a little unfair

[hybrid loom]

tetrio no caps

[hybrid loom]

you searched only in usa

[rose kite]

Lmao

Bad wording on my end I suppose

[faint acorn]

i mean the crux of the demonstration doesn't really change, especially since all you get is percentages lol

[scenic dagger]

opener mains:

[lean trellis]

Make it 20G and decrease lock delay as it goes on

[empty dew]

doesnt king of stackers does that already

or something named like this

[faint acorn]

yes, but that's not exactly a reason to never implement it

[empty dew]

says the same for team mode

[humble tundra]

Also there is no time limit in KoS (unless the other player claims a win) which is not something everyone likes

[solid merlin]

That's a pretty shallow take given about two platforms really support turn-based to begin with while there's a lot more iterations to team modes across other clients

(And King of Stackers is dead lmao)

[tawdry basalt]

I think i would play turnbased a lot more often if it was a mode on tetrio

KOS just isn't as fun for a lot of reasons, like the client and ui is kind of weird a lot of the times

i mean the website itself is pretty old right

and also I just prefer tetr.io attack table and other rules

[neon basin]

Actually, it has, 7 days
but only when you exceed the time limit and your opponent claims victory

here
my opponent already exceeded the time limit
and now I could click "Claim Victory by Default" for the win
(but I won't cause it's non-rated)

[humble tundra]

yeah but still

i want to play games that last few minutes/tens of minutes, not few days/weeks/months

[neon basin]

ye I know

the problem for kos is it could took very very long time

(that tournament in kos server)

[quaint smelt]

techmino has the same thing

[faint acorn]

uhhuh

[faint acorn]

yes i'm aware i could have gotten some sort of result
but either way that's still blatantly misleading and incorrect

[inland swallow]

Compared to other Tetris-like games:

[faint acorn]

i mean look if you wanna start getting stats off techmino clearly google trends isn't gonna get you anywhere

(compared to tetr.io)

but at this point i don't really see any benefit to comparing stats
techmino is much more than turnbased modes, and tetr.io would also not focus alot on that
king of stackers is expressly turnbased, by default. that's why the comparison matters there

[quaint smelt]

can’t sign in ):

[rose kite]

I mean... It's broken what did you expect

[neon basin]

The problem on techmino is the piece sequence is the same

And I don't think it is very good actually cause I thought the sequence shouldn't be the same one

[faint acorn]

that's how it is in KOS is it not? if the sequences weren't the same, then people could be at unfair advantages beyond their control

[solid merlin]

KOS also operates with a different combotable and spin system. 7-piece turn on Guideline rules is what would make it a disaster (source: me vs Daggers)

[tawdry basalt]

Wait what’s so bad about 7 piece

[neon basin]

it isn't in kos

but it is in techmino

[neon basin]

you vs dagger?
which round, I remember it but forgot which replay is...

[solid merlin]

God it's been too long for me to remember the exact game lol
I just remember Getting absolutely clobbered by 4W and persisting combo

[solid merlin]

When you're playing Guideline rules you have way too much of a buffer to just REN stack. KOS's combotable nerfs the middle of it so it's not as busted as Guideline

[inland swallow]

TIO is a bit different and rewards difficult clears at large combos, not Singles

Or - singles do cheesy damage, while finishing a combo with some Quads or T-spins will deal a big/finishing blow

[neon basin]

for the T-only rule, the combo table used in kos is the same as the classic guideline's table in tetr.io
0,1,1,2,2,3,3,4......
that let the 4w is too strong
T-only? no, Combo-only

[neon basin]

well I think it wouldn't be like that if using 7 piece rule with the multiplier
(ye I'm also thinking about how would it be if using the multiplier combo table in KOS though)

[quaint smelt]

uhh…highest chances of th most fair game is with the same piece sequence

the other got four Is with a well that can hold all four (one in hold, the active one, and the two in the next queue) and you have none, how much more unfair can it get if both sequences are the same?

[neon basin]

But

Think it more

example: A vs B, A takes first
After the player A placed all 7 pieces, how many next piece had the player B seen actually if the sequence is the same?

The number is 14, player B's mext and player A's next turns sequence could also be B's next

(thanks for Techmino so I could show the example)
here

In Techmino the piece sequence is the same one, and the bot's current piece is J but it wouldn't display after the turn ends in Techmino
so how many next piece I could seen here actually?

include my sequence (IZLTSJO), and the bot's sequence(TJZSILOJ) I could know fully 15 next pieces here actually, but if it is 5 next then I couldn't know the J piece in the 3rd bag so it would be 14

this is 7 piece per turn, not 1 piece per turn
yes it should be the same one if it's 1 piece per turn

[neon basin]

no wonder
the player in kos is so less now

[quaint smelt]

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[dawn wadi]

if tetrio had a turn-based mode, i'd play it more often than TL

the garbage multiplier should probably be increased to make KOing feasable

might also let the players see the garbage queue to increase complexity

and make games less RNG dependent

[dawn wadi]

the game can hide the queue from the other player

a bigger problem i see is that right now, there's nothing to prevent players from copying each other

whatever the fix of this issue is, i hope it isn't too unnatural

[tawdry basalt]

Turnbased isn’t symmetrical because of garbage

Like a garbage spawn sent from player 1 might make player 2 unable to copy

[humble tundra]

wouldn't you just cancel everything?

NEVERMIND

[neon basin]

Ye that's also a good choice

[neon basin]

That's why I said it should start with different sequence(expect 1 piece per turn) , or it's able to copy the opponent's board

[tawdry basalt]

I mind

[dawn wadi]

Isn't the garbage queue the same for both players
People use this to predict garbage lines for the first few bags in TL

[dawn wadi]

That could work
But personally, I prefer something like chess, where both players have the same queue and copying puts you at a disadvantage

[brittle hedge]

Imagine semi turn based, each player places however many pieces then at the end their garbage "clashes" and they do the next turn of x pieces

[tawdry basalt]

So like you can’t see their placements until after the turn is over right

[brittle hedge]

idk how itd work out just thought it was a fun idea

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[fossil raven]

this sounds really useful for efficiency practice against bots

beta 1.9.0 update pleaaaase-

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[lean trellis]

garbage is seeded as well

so it means the 1st garbage column for both players is the same, so is the 2nd, the 3rd, etc

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