TL rank update

[blazing anchor]

F is the lowest.

[cerulean sigil]

which way western man (kind of a serious poll)

[haughty isle]

literally this

[digital axle]

no way

[cerulean sigil]

i have a pretty decent process to make the icons

so theoretically i could do the whole alphabet

[cerulean sigil]

also oh my god this is literally my galaxy s10's bootup screen

[dim vessel]

middle drawing is giving this

[primal peak]

could it have the same design as X+'s or is it too banger compared to X

[shy flicker]

H rank above X rank lmao

[stark trench]

@ ba-

[cerulean sigil]

H doesn't sound that threatening compared to U and X

[digital axle]

[cerulean sigil]

my potential candidates for new potential ranks are Y V and O

[tiny furnace]

what if we change x rank to u+ and x+ rank to x

[digital axle]

why would we do that

[tiny furnace]

mom said it was my turn to shitpost

[digital axle]

i mean a primary concern was that wasn't "taking away X rank from people"

[cerulean sigil]

if i suddenly gained control of the ranks id probably delete SS and have it go S+ U V X instead of S+ SS U X

if we wanna go and re add the H rank in spirit from the tetra league first drafts then you can probably add Y below X

[haughty isle]

@roadtohrank

[cerulean sigil]

U V Y X seems like a pretty logical progression to me

more and more pointy until the most pointy and edgy letter (X)

[digital axle]

but V rank is the best rank on vividlope

[cerulean sigil]

two banan

[haughty isle]

gm rank when

[glass raptor]

now i want a texture pack with all the ranks in TGM1 style...

pls tell me that it isn't just that one and that all ranks have been drawn in that style

[glass raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-ice-water-i-dont-need-it-gif-14272849

[cerulean sigil]

i tell you this with great sorrow

i made the A- one just for fun/a proof of concept

[graceful bronze]

guys lets make an f rank but make no one f rank so the noobies dont get discouraged

[digital axle]

made

[graceful bronze]

and also make xx rank but make it impossible to get to so the pros are always striving for an impossible goal

[graceful bronze]

yayy 😄

[magic pewter]

how about replace z/? rank with F rank to encourage people to stay ranked

[ivory sphinx]

I mean I could try, I just don't know the source (tgm1 huuuuhhh? pic pls 🥺)

[cerulean sigil]

it's tetr.io ranks in the style of tgm 1 grades

https://www.spriters-resource.com/arcade/tetristhegrandmaster/sheet/135291/

[ivory sphinx]

oh I could totally do this tomorrow

[cerulean sigil]

it's a little small because it's a big image containing every grade in every color

[ivory sphinx]

they also look like 32x32 sprites

[graceful bronze]

yeah

but z rank sounds cool

[stark trench]

Making a custom set of rank icons? That sounds like a cool graphic practice/challenge.

[stark trench]

Make it so you get it when the float precision breaks and forces your TR to EXACTLY 25000.

Which should now happen at even higher Glicko than in S1.

[graceful bronze]

yuh

[glass raptor]

oh :<

[glass raptor]

i actually already did it once

[haughty isle]

wow that's cool

kinda gives flash games vibe

[glass raptor]

:3

[ivory sphinx]

i agree!! looks pretty good

as a cool project you should like

remake them

to see if you can make em better

:3

[glass raptor]

yeah, might try :D

[ivory sphinx]

my first suggestion is making them all the same resolution

probably 32x32 would be best for the style

[glass raptor]

my logic when i first made them was "better rank, better resolution" and i think it looks good, but yeah i can do that

[ivory sphinx]

yeah i understand that but keeping it all the same makes it feel more connected :)

[glass raptor]

true

[glass raptor]

i'll be impatiently waiting for this xd

(yeah i play TGM and i love the grade design of the first game)

[glass raptor]

and i also made the z rank

[cerulean sigil]

oh that's pretty fun

[robust flame]

rank O

omega

real

[lavish anvil]

so true

[robust flame]

aint no way LOL

what a nice coincidence

[dim oxide]

me when I pass level 999 and still stays on S9:

[dim oxide]

Now try making transitions when you get promoted/demoted

[glass raptor]

i no longer have access to the original animations tho :<

the phone i made them with has the screen broken

[olive ember]

i know this discussion has long since ended but i feel like this would possibly make a little more sense for a couple reasons

1 - it would compress newer players with minimal skill difference down into just a couple ranks instead of several
2 - gets rid of the discouraging feel someone might get upon achieving D rank
3 - splits up the wide skill range of U and X players
4 - better consistency, every rank except C has a + and - variant (honestly could keep C- as well)

feel like an idiot for keeping this winded discussion going but it's 5am and i'm bored lmao

[cerulean sigil]

fellow SS hater

🤝

[indigo stag]

Whatever the bottom rank is people will feel the same
Best way to approach it is to know that you're meeting other players like you

[distant monolith]

????????????????????

as someone who used to be D rank then climbed to A+ in s1:
no

[elder kettle]

D ranks will top themselves out. A ranks will at least downstack if you give them enough time

[distant monolith]

Exactly

[magic pewter]

Stat's wise the jump between ranks on the lower end is basically nothing.

Then from around A and hnigher, each rank increase have way more difference in stats on average

that's the idea/reasoning to consolidate the lower ranks

but i also feel like giving a rise in rank is a good incenitive

to keep playing

so idk

B is a maybe on fusing together into 1 rank, but i do like how C and D fuses together in this regard

[idle stream]

Difference from D to A is still like 20 apm

[magic pewter]

for this image atleast

[distant monolith]

Does the gap between 5 apm and 30 apm feel the same as the gap between 100 apm and 125 apm?

It's numerically the same gap, but at lower APM it's way more one-sided.

For a reason.

[idle stream]

yeah it kinda does

[distant monolith]

I ask anyone who genuinely thinks there isn't much of a difference between D and A to match up a D rank against an A rank player.

[elder kettle]

imo raw stats aren't enough when it comes to judging the win chance of a lower-rated player. Mostly due to the fact that their core stacking skills aren't refined enough to handle attacks, get out of bad situations, keep their own stack clean, etc.

[magic pewter]

no i meant fusing the Ds together, and Cs together not D to A all into 1

/shrug

[distant monolith]

yeah ik

but still, the gap between e.g. low D and high D+ is actually bigger than most people seem to think

let alone the gap between D/C+

[distant monolith]

(those are average stats)

[idle stream]

They have a point though D and D+ are not far apart

I often see people move through the B's pretty quickly without much change back and forth as well

[magic pewter]

Not same gap, such a gap difference at the lower end is easier to make up

whiel the higher end , usually know how to stack cleanly its more limited by pure speed

5->30 apm achieved via knowing to skim less and actively going for quads

while 100->125, already goign for quads, have to do it faster without messing up

latter is harder imo

and its more than just quads at that point

a 1 apm diff from D and D+ is literalyl just doing 1 more double in a minute that seems like pure luck

the level of skill between the two is basically the same

so having 1 rank telling their skill level will make no difference

but like i siad before i know having a sesne of progression is a good motivator

so it's not just all about a rank representing a skill level

[distant monolith]

low D vs. mid-high D+

[magic pewter]

? looks like you picked a season 1 stat and season 2 stat

oh wait im blind

[distant monolith]

nope

[magic pewter]

You're not really showing any thing different.

not really sure if you're cherry picking or not tbh

[idle stream]

Looking at this seems pretty clear

They're averages for a reason

[magic pewter]

cause like the gap you show is larger than the avgs overall for other ranks

well image is for season 1 stats, but like that gap

seems realyl cherry picked

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[distant monolith]

my point is that if D and D+ get merged we're putting these two in the same rank despite how far away they are

[magic pewter]

yeah even using the season 2 avgs

you picked one lwoer than teh avg and one higehr than teh avg for both ranks

[idle stream]

our point is that they aren't that far away, these two would be at the top and bottom of the respective rank anyways just like how it is now

if they were merged

[magic pewter]

im trying to not use season 2 stats, cause season 2 TL ranks are not even at the intended targets tr

yet

to these stat avgs are from U ranks being pushed to SS, SS ranks pushed to S+ etc

all the way down

[distant monolith]

picking two semi-extreme examples was the point

[magic pewter]

not really. You're skewing it instead of talking about average skill level teh rank lettering is suppose to represent

In my eyes there's literally no difference in levle of skill

and that's from watching replays of rounds

not from looking at stat numbers only

[idle stream]

There's always going to be a skill difference in ranks, is a 6 apm difference between the top and bottom of a rank really that much?

At extremes no less

[distant monolith]

the difference between D and D+ is that D rank is mostly that D ranks can't stack offensively at all while D+ are able to at least try to be offensive without instantly turning their own stack into cheese, which is why imo we should let the two be separate. let D be "the people who can't stack" and let D+ be "the people who kinda can"

I get that "the numbers aren't that far away" but there's a fundamental difference between 3 apm (=> can't stack offensively and/or can't ds) and 10 apm (=> can be offensive but not efficiently, most likely still bad at dsing but not as bad)

[idle stream]

I feel like the difference you're talking about is more from D to C

[magic pewter]

^

like i said Season 2 stats are not at the norm rn

currently playerbase for ranked is not even half the size

And all of them have not reach teh target TR yet

[idle stream]

Another example, this time with the usa and a larger pool of players from the middle of D and the middle of D+

[distant monolith]

disagree

[idle stream]

C ranks are the players with more consistent 10+ apm, D and D+ ranks are usually below that unless they're inflated with openers or something

[stark trench]

Point 2 is the reason why there's no F rank.

[ivory sphinx]

the "compressing lower ranks to make space for pros (because low ranks have low difference)" idea

is

ONLY pro friendly

the difference in players is multiplicative

that's the whole point of the rating systems like elo and glicko

the reason it seems small is because it's multiplicative

and exponential

ideas like this should be pro friendly AND noob friendly AND all inbetween

[cerulean sigil]

i dont think any of them will hit the target tr

inflation/deflation zones in last season were a thing for a long time and they didnt hit them

it probably helped a lot but it doesnt pinpoint the trs

[cerulean sigil]

why is that 25 apm bro in D+

opener main?

[ivory sphinx]

thrower

[frigid comet]

inflation zones in U and X ranks definitely helped combat TR inflation, but the inflation is unavoidable because of the upward pressure on TR generated from new players always joining and adding TR to the pool and then leaving and stuff

so i think we will definitely reach the target TR for high ranks

[ivory sphinx]

slash smurf

[frigid comet]

wouldn't be surprised if we go over

[frigid comet]

this is so cherry picked lol

[frigid comet]

there is no fundamental difference between D and D+ ranks

there is a border only because osk decided to arbitrarily place one there

[ivory sphinx]

they threw a lot of their rounds, but as soon as they got their D rank, they started blazing with 2 pps

they have a 1:07 40l, and 1.3k qp

they're a good player, trolling lower ranks

[ivory sphinx]

to YOU there's no fundamental difference

remember it's an exponential skill curve

(mostly)

3 to 6 is a doubling, and that's significant on THAT skill level even though they're both very low and it's only +3

and every rank is a similar gap

[sly crater]

1 is infintely more than 0 yet its no difference at all independent of the rank

[ivory sphinx]

each is like around 5 to 7 %ile

but like

if you remove all the ranks

making it a larger %ile bracket

that means that everyone who's far enough below average

just gets put in "the bad rank"

[sly crater]

also the diff from 150 to 170 is massive even though its only 20 apm and its a small difference percentage wise

[ivory sphinx]

if you're under some arbitrary level of skill then it doesn't even matter the difference between you and someone several times worse; you're too low, doesn't matter, you get the bad rank

every rank signifies an even step

until the high ranks where the steps get tiny

[sly crater]

its not an even step imo like, the step from u rank to x rank is absurd and some people take years and the step from d to d+ is pretty small and any new player that takes a few minutes to practice can get it

[ivory sphinx]

but

it's percentile

[ivory sphinx]

this isn't even true

everyone progresses at a different rate

[sly crater]

yeah but statistically most u ranks take several months to get to x and most d ranks take an hour or two to get to d+

[ivory sphinx]

I'm not against splitting U and X into more brackets necessarily

but MERGING lower ones is a bad idea imo

[sly crater]

well i also see in tetra league channel a problem that people that play tl frequently constantly keep jumping between ranks

like going from s+ to s- all the time

and stuff like that

[ivory sphinx]

maybe evening these out would be better

(it then goes 7 6 6 4)

[sly crater]

wait what do the numbers mean

[magic pewter]

i assume hte percentile per rank

like how D D+ and C- represent bottom 5% and U X X+ represent top 5%

[hushed star]

who made that

[magic pewter]

#tetra·league message

opps like like i saved the older version

[frigid comet]

wdym there is a fundamental difference lol

it's literally an arbitrarily set border

how can you say D ranks are fundamentally different to D+ ranks

that makes no sense

[digital axle]

• why the heck is the big example TR 12345 in the first sheet it was the median (12500TR. now it's 10000TR)
• why is the example glicko so unrealistic icly didn't even crack 4500 glicko after winning playing 1075 games
• why the hell was ±01 chosen as an example people don't even go below 58
• it repeats what counts as unranked twice

[ivory sphinx]

numbers spell 12345678901

smh my head

but yeah a bit weird

[ivory sphinx]

alright I suppose for D and D+ you're right

maybe part of that is that

d to d+, and d+ to c-, are both a 2.5 %ile difference, making them the smallest brackets apart from x+

but

in general

there's still differences at lower levels

EVEN IF the differences at higher levels are much bigger

[ivory sphinx]

the current tl overview shows about a 50% vs/apm change, but I'm not confident in the current stats for the lowest brackets because it isn't a true representation of the skill floor, and some people throw to troll lower ranks

the reason it isn't a representation of the skill floor is because, as has been repeated over and over so far, the majority of casuals and noobs aren't really playing yet

the main point I'm making:

skill gaps occur at all points in progression. that's how it will be for nearly every game, but you can't just undermine the lower level gaps with higher ones, because you probably just got too good to see it (congrats)

and, re: removing/compressing lower tl ranks, it takes away from the FEELING of progression. promoting your rank is a sign that you've improved and achieved, and each rank (until U, and excluding the Ds) is a mostly uniform step quantitatively; every rank signifies that you've gotten past another 6-8% of the playerbase

all in all, pros and noobs should be treated fairly lol

although, Ds and Cs could probably be just D and C (or maybe I'm also blind to the differences, who's to say)

[ivory sphinx]

I'll ask a D player

[frigid comet]

i feel like it usually takes not that long to go from D to D+

a lot of people describe flying from D rank to A rank in a few weeks and then when they reach SS they get stuck there for like a year

[frigid comet]

is that the feeling of progression we want? like surely not

I think it is much better to have a more balanced progression

[ivory sphinx]

maybe maybe

i asked a D/D+ player:

as a D/D+ player, do you feel like there are tangible differences between the lowest ranks (e.g. D+ vs C-)?
how difficult is it to progress in the ranks; do you practice sometimes or wing it?
if lower ranks were to be compressed into only a couple, would this throw you off or would the challenge be similar?
and we will see what the answers are
(i am confident that their rank accurately (enough) represents their skill level)

are there any other questions i should ask

[distant monolith]

picks highest d+ vs lowest d on french lb, with no prior knowledge of their stats
"oh you cherry picked those two players to make a point"

[frigid comet]

How many hours does this player have

[distant monolith]

I would like you to explain how you came to the "an hour or two" conclusion with me getting stuck in low d for actual months

[frigid comet]

He said most

[ivory sphinx]

joined 3 months ago, was D in s1, is currently D+ (peak D+) with 25 hours
their stats for modes check out (223m, 3:09, 12k), and I checked the Tetra League replays, showing they were certainly trying, and the skill level was consistent

I played against them one time and it was the same story, I think i also duod with them?

but

the one thing I don't understand

is their 27m score in Expert Quick Play

do scores count toward expert if you're duoing with an expert player and/or does playing in a duo with someone who has it unlocked allow you to enable it

I mean it has to be one of those two

because they couldn't have unlocked it themselves

point is

they're a D player

[distant monolith]

getting higher than your pb with a duo unlocks mods without increasing your pb, which is probably how they unlocked expert mode

[sly crater]

depends on how much you were playing if you barely played that would explain it if you played the game a lot and after months were still d rank thats very surprising lol, i let a friend of mine after playing for 30 mins alrdy got to c-
and also 1 hour or 2 is not that short its still a huge amount of time invested considering some full fletched games only last about that, maybe u think its so short because so many people drown thousands of hours into this game

[cerulean sigil]

how possible is it to mod the game to use custom rules for assigning ranks

[frigid comet]

It’s unavoidable for all intents and purposes

Because no way this would be healthy

[ivory sphinx]

yea i do see a differense between d+ and c- and its pretty diffcult to rank up i practice i usually still lose and lastly if they were compressed i would prob be confused

Real D Player Reveals Feelings About Low Ranks (You Won't Believe What They Said!)

[idle stream]

It's kinda how there's a skill difference between the bottom and top of SS imo

[elder kettle]

I've yet to see how S2 ranks will look like once the ranks are no longer deflated though for S1 I can definitely say that SS, U and X held far too broad a skill level to be accurately representative of the rank.

For all three ranks the chances of a lower ranked player winning vs a high ranked player were next to none. Even middle ranked vs higher ranked would be a concerningly low chance of victory

[indigo stag]

This isn't a fault of the ranks. Sometimes you get stomped sometimes you crush your opponent, this only means the player hasn't arrived at their equilibrium yet. Adding a bunch of ranks isn't going to solve this.

[elder kettle]

I'm not talking about things like edge-cases, playstyle strengths/weaknesses/etc though. I'm on about the average of players who belong at a specific TR vs the same at another TR.

Like, if I grabbed someone who (S1 example here) belonged at high 21k and pit them vs someone who belonged at low 23k, the 21k player would get beaten pretty hard despite both players being within the threshold for SS.

Do the same for U or X and the differential becomes even worse.

[elder kettle]

The range that would have covered SS imo could be resolved with just two ranks. U and X on the other hand would likely be a bit more problematic

[idle stream]

especially X imo there were like 5 different ranks in there

[stark trench]

At that point we're talking about specific positions on the leaderboard.

Whhy do you think top 100 has its own distinction?

[ruby swallow]

Three proposed ranks:
U+: top 2.5% or top 2%
X++: top 0.05%
XX: top 0.01%

Don’t know if we need X++ or XX quite yet. Maybe in S3 with more players

[sly crater]

x++ and xx is a bit of a stretch xd

[stark trench]

I imagine a system where after S+ there's no SS, but U-, U, U+, X-, X, X+ and XX.

[tepid grove]

and XXX in season 4

[ivory sphinx]

i asked them to elaborate:

d+ is just worse at downstacking then c- and i'd prob be confused because i was used to the old ranking system and if the randomly changed it then it would be pretty counfusing

i agree with it being confusing

but if it had a reason itd be fine

but the reason of "the skill is too similar in those ranks" is not a good one

[olive ember]

yall make some pretty cool and style-accurate rank designs even if they shouldn't be in the game

[olive ember]

though a quick tip, make the A on top/front cast a faint shadow onto the A on the bottom/back and it'll make this look quite nicer

[cerulean sigil]

SS doesn't do it :woom

[thin geode]

but it does, its just faint

[cerulean sigil]

ooh like an actual shadow

i was looking for an outline like shadow

oops

[dim oxide]

I think it's better to think about it as ratios
30 is 6 times 5, which is huge
125 is 1.25 times 100, which is kinda more like meh

[sly crater]

i dont think ratio matters much because the difference from 5 apm to 15 apm is nonexistent even though its 3x increase while the difference from 15 to 30 is huge and is just 2x increase (and the difference from 100 to 150 is extremely huge even if its 1.5x increase)

maybe a combination of both is most accurate

[ivory sphinx]

probably yeah

and what you consider a "big" change probably depends on what level you're at

[ruby swallow]

That’s kind of the point. A rank for the very best of the very best

[ivory sphinx]

yeah but like

at that point its

pointless

at that point just use the raw rank

rank as in placement*

[graceful bronze]

how tf do they have 0.72 pps

[ivory sphinx]

cause the s2 playerbase rn is skewed towards higher skill

casuals aren't in yet for the most part

[magic pewter]

screenshot is season 1 stats . . .

not sure if cat is joking how d to d+ having a .01 pps increase is meangingful or not

.71->.72 so worth a new rank

[graceful bronze]

0.01 is NOT worth a new rank

[ivory sphinx]

oh wait whar

I mean like

D and D+ are pretty close

they're the smallest brackets except for X(+)

[dim vessel]

This whole thread

is a meme

Making more and more ranks is going to do jack squat with the amount of players tetrio has

ATP just make a rank for every player will ya

[graceful bronze]

guys this is why we should just remove ranks and make people match based on aps

[cerulean sigil]

i agree because opener mains would get shafted

[elder kettle]

infds meta lesgooo

[glossy notch]

Super late reply to this. Make all of them.

[cerulean sigil]

ill do them when i get home

take a look at flowerling's ones if you want too

[ivory sphinx]

(#tetrio·general message)

[cerulean sigil]

i was gonna originally link it but I Gorgor...

[tight herald]

F- is kinda most offensive

[odd niche]

I see it's a very heated debate here...

[digital axle]

not really

[idle stream]

mostly memes lol

[olive ember]

memes and some people designing cool ranks

[lament cedar]

late reply but d- looks really cook

[silk prism]

the D- is corrupted

[inland hill]

woah animations

[cerulean sigil]

testing the colors

[haughty isle]

cool

[olive ember]

very awesome
i also use paint.net for graphic design lol

[keen nova]

not using hard drop

[glass raptor]

the D- is broken (cracked)

[glass raptor]

same

[silk prism]

it has a special meaning

hmm...

[ivory sphinx]

youre def doing it better than me (pls finish this looks really cool)

[cerulean sigil]

these 2 are kinda in progress

i forgort the black background on the C- fuck

[digital axle]

🕺

[cerulean sigil]

🕺 rank

[cerulean sigil]

hey wait one second

i forgot to trim the sides of the +

oh balls

[ivory sphinx]

i feel like silver should start at A

and gold at SS

oh wait

unless

its based off of tl round count

nvm then

[cerulean sigil]

yeah it is based off of ft count

ft3 = bronze

ft5 = silver

ft7 = gold

[ivory sphinx]

alr alr

[cerulean sigil]

although i could remove bronze and have the ranks at U and above have a cooler color

whatever one that might be

[glass raptor]

:0

[ivory sphinx]

if you mean cooler not in the temperature way

[digital axle]

windup rank

[ivory sphinx]

whar

[ivory sphinx]

iunno what this is a reference to,

[digital axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917098364787650590/1277920824774627339/guess-193.mp4?ex=66df66c3&is=66de1543&hm=16c32042a819eacec3ac2dc18a54e7f27171281d7785988b71c3b0039f7ebc6a&

[cerulean sigil]

i was thinking of a diamond blue but i thought that'd look off

but an iridescent rainbow seems cool too

[ivory sphinx]

yeah

the images I showed are part of my badge set, which also needed stuff above gold

so I chose Diamond, obviously
then a pink-red colour that I named the "Champion" badge tier
then (later, when I reused the badge system), a rainbow listed as the "Perfect" tier

WAIT

for TETRIO

platinum and diamond

the achievement tiers

duh

[cerulean sigil]

what do we think chat

U rank is also gonna get iridescent if we go with this

because ft7

then anything S becomes gold

and all else is silver

bronze is Died!

[glass raptor]

woah!

[cerulean sigil]

so we like this design, chat?

[olive ember]

i quite like it yes

[lament ingot]

It's quite interesting

the only question is — why + and - signs are laying on the floor?

[digital axle]

they just look like that

[lament ingot]

i see

[glass raptor]

i don't know which ones to use
should i keep using flowerling's ones or these ones?

[digital axle]

did flowerling ever post any?

[cerulean sigil]

ill fully finish mine after i get home

after i update the colors of the metal

[blazing anchor]

I like your design!

[haughty isle]

the - being on the lower side makes it look like underscore than minus

can move a bit upward

[ivory sphinx]

yes, and I posted a link to it in this thread

[digital axle]

oh it was a link

[ivory sphinx]

I'd say "zyrixias are better" but the factual side of me is urging me to say that we just have different styles

[cerulean sigil]

need to know how to exactly make the crystal texture...

all i know so far is

• inkscape

• voronoi diagram

[digital axle]

pretty sure paint.net is integral to that

riiiiight

i'm so sure https://tetr.io/res/crystal.png wasn't just glitchy saying "fuck it we ball"

[ivory sphinx]

I mean like

this doesn't really look like the X+ crystal pattern to me

[digital axle]

there's at least a similarity right

[ivory sphinx]

any crystal looking thing would have "at least a similarity"

[digital axle]

yeah but crystal texturing has been a staple of any TL design since release (even before release)

[cerulean sigil]

oh this will probably do for now

[ivory sphinx]

so thats its use then lmao

[cerulean sigil]

and yeah my ass is NOT drawing the texture by hand

ill probably just

[ivory sphinx]

if ill be honest

the X+ does look hand made

cause it is just

less than 50 small simple solidly coloured shapes

like osk could have literally drawn random lines and used that to make the crystal pattern

oh wait the <50 number doesnt include the core of the x+ which has a more subtle crystal pattern

[cerulean sigil]

yeah my X+ recreation kinda halted at the crystal pattern

hence the "smooth" 🕺

[ivory sphinx]

X+ if tetrio went minimalist

i wonder if osk has higher resolution images for the ranks

in theory..!

[digital axle]

they aren't SVGs so i would hesitate to believe so

in fact X+ is the odd ball one sized 512×512 (the others are 256×256)

[ivory sphinx]

yeah but like it could just be they were downscaled and/or converted FROM svg for the game

[ivory sphinx]

this is partly why i said what if theres bigger images

[digital axle]

considering when they were made osk vehemently hated inkscape i seriously doubt it

[cerulean sigil]

i could mabye just get the silhouettes done in inkscape for later use

if i tried

[ivory sphinx]

i had made a sihouette of X+

its the only one i actually bothered to like clean up on my rank set

because X+ glows too much

all the other ranks i didnt bother

[cerulean sigil]

Human... i remember youre

X+

[ivory sphinx]

huh??

[ivory sphinx]

there's also a sprite in the resource files that has all the silhouettes at a whopping 64x64 resolution

[ivory sphinx]

oh

[cerulean sigil]

yeah i found those too

not exactly. Useful for anything other than displaying it on a website

[ivory sphinx]

yeah

but yuh theres an X+

the only one i have sorry

[cerulean sigil]

i kinda also had to make the silhouettes from scratch for everything here too

so no worries lol

[ivory sphinx]

seems unnecessary for everything below like

the S tiers

cause they dont have flow

glow*

lmao

[cerulean sigil]

the silhouettes are used in my mildly fucked up procedure of doing the metallic texture

[ivory sphinx]

which was what

[cerulean sigil]

1. paste in the texture gradient as a layer from another .pdn
2. magic wand the silhouette + the frame
3. invert the selection
4. use that selection to delete the negative image of the metallic texture
5. hide the silhouette below (doesnt really matter because the metallic one is above it but whatever)
6. apply an emboss to the metallic layer
7. then a drop shadow to it
   *8. use a duplicate of the metallic layer without the shadows and guassian blur it
   *9. do a glow on that if the glow isnt glow enogh
   *10. push it down below the original layer

if you're worried about the jagged aliasing from the magic wand then that goes away when you scale it down to a reasonable size for use in tetr.io so not a problem !

[ivory sphinx]

most of that sounds so unnecessary

my steps (which dont include shadow or blur or whatever)

1. import gradient as a PNG which i created from a website
2. resize image so that it snugly covers the relevant object
3. turn on Clipping

by the way, this didnt need a silhouette

i clipped it directly onto the raw image

[cerulean sigil]

if it works it works 🥲 ❤️‍🩹

[ivory sphinx]

yeah but my way also worked :p

[cerulean sigil]

the big 3

i couldnt get the color of the shine on the X+ so i jsut gave up and went with white

i can easily iterate through pretty much every detail so i can fix it if yall dont like something in it

[magic pewter]

too shiny

I think either the border or the rank letter should contrast more

[magic pewter]

X+ one contrast well at the center

[cerulean sigil]

old | new

this should contrast better

slightly more vibrant pink + deeper shadow

[robust flame]

this is peak

[glass raptor]

yeah i'm definitely gonna use these
sorry flowerling, you did a great job with yours anyways

[olive ember]

as a fellow graphic designer i say these are super cool

[ivory sphinx]

no you're correct lol

I'd use them too

[ivory sphinx]

X+ being purple makes sense but I really like the deep jam-coloured core has

[glass raptor]

also, we're missing golden frames now

[digital axle]

this guy knows his resolutions

[cerulean sigil]

i have the core implemented

its jsut that it kinda blended in too much with the background

[ivory sphinx]

nuh i mean like i really like the colour of it in general, im imagining it as a secondary colour for the background entirely

[cerulean sigil]

ohh

[ivory sphinx]

errrm the S- colour isnt ugly enough 🤓

eh wait nvm

but still

[ivory sphinx]

like purple AND the deep red yk

its such a good colour omg why am i obsessing over it so much

look at that..

[cerulean sigil]

yeah it's a fun design

matching the prestige of the top .2%...

my .55% ass could never 🥲

[ivory sphinx]

my 48% ass could never 🥲

[ivory sphinx]

my s1 peak is ~30-27% so hopefully i beat that this season

[cerulean sigil]

and the best rank of them all

[cerulean sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/917098364787650590/1283436991936991325/TETR.IO_tyWteoPtgg.mp4?ex=66e2fd57&is=66e1abd7&hm=603cabbbb146d04115daa7d89ddcc20a7d0b4dd50ae8e1a6367585ca9a7d1105& looks really neat ingame

hell yeah

here's the tetr.io plus import

do mind: you'll need a nightly build of tetr.io plus

[cinder quiver]

a what

[glass raptor]

:D

[silk prism]

it's cool

[hardy hedge]

baba is rank

[cinder quiver]

player is SS

baba is player

[idle stream]

player is hardstuck and sad

[pine frost]

[cerulean sigil]

being hardstuck X is a real sentence you can say now

[clear lotus]

poor E bro

[clear lotus]

ngl D- is ok but F? thats literally 1 TR lmao

[idle stream]

[glass raptor]

baba is tetraleague

[ivory sphinx]

zyrixia you should make an alt SS where its like S+/S- but with an S at the bottom right

[cerulean sigil]

seems fine?

what do you not like about it

too small?>

[idle stream]

kinda hard to read maybe, not much contrast on the lower half and the minus sign is difficult to make out

[cerulean sigil]

ok ill probably add a deeper shadown to the ranks

and make an alt version where the signs are in the middle

and size them up to fit the full square instead of having some invisible padding on the outside

that's used for the glow past S+ but you i make it work

[cerulean sigil]

and do this SS alt too

the ranks are one color on purpose

like they are in tgm1

tetris the grandmaster (1)

a really old arcade game

https://youtu.be/fRArOdhwUjE

look at this video for reference

yeah

that's why it isn't just like the normal tetr.io colors

alright ill normalize the background colors' darknesses atleast

they're kinda all over the place

[cerulean sigil]

paint.net

with 2 plugin packs i forgot the names of

and yeah i have the project files fo all the rnaks too

uhhh they're on my pc

and it might be a while until i get home

but yeah, absolutely

yup, absolutely no problem

!!

[cerulean sigil]

im just about getting home by bus

[cerulean sigil]

the ones below S- are bronze because i just applied a monochrome effect to it

[clear lotus]

@cerulean sigil wtf

[cerulean sigil]

it's just because it's a zip file

there's literally nothing else but the project files

[elder kettle]

Yeah it gives that for every .zip file

[clear lotus]

ok

[shrewd aspen]

to reduce the zip atomic bomb ig

[glass raptor]

There's almost as much ranks in T.io as grades in TGM

i was thinking of making a pack where each rank is an actual TGM grade, but there's not enough ranks

unless we count "unranked"

[ivory sphinx]

sure

? as 9

!!

[glass raptor]

so a GM player could become a 9 player by not playing for a while

xD

[elder kettle]

Hey sometimes it feels they way

[glass raptor]

yeah, but that's if you don't play for a looooong time

[glass raptor]

plssssssssssss tell me which ones are they 🙏

how did you do theseeeee

[cerulean sigil]

a plugin called gradients galore

didn't find the plugin on its own directly so just installed the pack it was in

the other pack was something called bucketbolt's plugin pack or sumn

[glass raptor]

ok

i'll look for them

[glass raptor]

if you're willing to do it i can send these so you draw the grade on top
(i just edited the projects that Zyrixia sent)

[ivory sphinx]

no sorry

[glass raptor]

ok

guess i'm doing it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

fortunately, i have an ace up my sleeve

[ivory sphinx]

tf?

where the fuck did this come from

[digital axle]

Tetr.io

[ivory sphinx]

:/

[glass raptor]

osk :0

[glass raptor]

turns out i already have that one
it's boltbait

[glass raptor]

it's been around for quite a while already

now onto the S grades

[pine frost]

where do i find one

[digital axle]

it's just https://gitlab.com/UniQMG/tetrio-plus/builds/artifacts/master/browse?job=build

usually

(https://gitlab.com/UniQMG/tetrio-plus/-/jobs/7770293431/artifacts/browse)

[cerulean sigil]

well glad zap got that

i did not want to go through the gitlab in a packed bus

[cerulean sigil]

oh cool

glad yall are having fun with my stuff lol

[glass raptor]

thank you so much for posting the projects :D

[cerulean sigil]

ctrl t

go down into the import settings thing again

and then find the *export* as tpse button

select the correct layer

and select the select tool

cover the + with the selection and switch to the move tool

yeah that's why i said you need a nightly release of tetr.io plus

[cerulean sigil]

grab em here

[cerulean sigil]

wtfg

wait did i not update the tpse

[cerulean sigil]

oh fuck i totally didn't

yes?

sure

if i get time

[cerulean sigil]

i go to uni y'know

[digital axle]

uniqmg

[ivory sphinx]

true he would never and still hasn't (not a circle :netd: 🤓 :ndrd:)

[glass raptor]

upgrade to grades S6 to GM

[reef tartan]

Gm looks cool

[shrewd aspen]

poor Zyrixia, he got ping every time vert texting

[pine frost]

hum

[digital axle]

�

please consult the URL directly below

[pine frost]

okok

was slightly confused since it was 16kib

[glass raptor]

this kinda just became a "TetraLeague-Related Art channel" so...
here are some TI/Heboris inspired medals in a Tetr.io-ish style that imo wouldn't be bad to have in-game if it wasn't because of mihara

All Clear
Finish Time
SKill
Back-2-Back
REcovery

[glass raptor]

requirements

[frigid comet]

so basically achievements

[cerulean sigil]

these would probably be tied to achievements

[cerulean sigil]

man

SS should become U

and current U turns into U+

...S, S+, U, U+, X, X+

seems so much more neater

[somber pelican]

I agree with that

Maybe have the U+ get a similar treatment the X+ has?

[glass raptor]

kinda, for every TL match

[cinder quiver]

this is cool

but maybe skill should be based on like uhh attack per piece or whatever its called

[cinder quiver]

i get its based on that medal that looks at tetrises(?) but i think this would be better

[glass raptor]

you mean attack per minute?

[cinder quiver]

yeah

[glass raptor]

yeah maybe

[shy flicker]

this has probably been said already BUT I think the problem of "how many ranks" kind of boils down to milestones -
moving up the ranks is important since it gives players a goal to reach; too many ranks and the milestones become too close together and don't feel as rewarding for each rank. Too few means the ranks are too far apart and become too distant to be worth it.
also I think part of it is representation - the addition of the rank kind of separates the rest of X rank (the very very good players) from the top (the world's best players, championship players, etc), so really, I think, the question of "should we add more ranks?" is more of "what group of players is not quite represented as it should be?"

thanks for listening to my ted talk lmfao

[ivory sphinx]

YES

KEEP COOKING

[glossy notch]

These are awesome

[cerulean sigil]

no i think there should be 10 different X ranks because i want to feel SPECIAL!!!!!

okay joking aside

i think it wouldn't hurt if there was extra subdivisions for the big 3

(SS and above)

[hidden bane]

i mean we dont have to use X

there are definitely symbols too

[cerulean sigil]

that can get messy real quick

[hidden bane]

oh how

[digital axle]

🨇

rank

[hidden bane]

tofu

crazy

[digital axle]

⟴ rank

[hidden bane]

𒈔 rank (real)

[digital axle]

⅍ rank (????????)

[hidden bane]

𒉛 rank (real!!!!1!1!!!1!)

[digital axle]

ꨜ rank

(welcome to funny unicode thread)

[hidden bane]

tofu block rank is crazy

𒀰 rank

𒉹 rank (top -1%)

definitely does not look weird at all ' v '

[digital axle]

[shy flicker]

" " rank goes hard (bottom i*pi percent)

[untold parrot]

alternative versions

big fat wall of images oops

[digital axle]

wtf

why is 1% lol

[untold parrot]

i dont want another diamond badge

also it looks cool

i can make one with diamond

[cerulean sigil]

what the color

[ivory sphinx]

tetrio but without personality

[cerulean sigil]

when i get time, ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[haughty isle]

tetrio if it was a generic rythm game

[autumn pollen]

i love asterisk-rank

[atomic sentinel]

I worked on Splatoon styled rank letters before Season 2 began and finally after much delay i made X+ and it looks so much better than the rest cuz i found a new way to style them

Im gonna redo all of them to fit the new style i found

[cerulean sigil]

oh right splatoon has an X rank too right

[vague atlas]

grand master

master

[blazing anchor]

GM

[ivory sphinx]

8.6% and 3.2%?

[frigid comet]

That seems correct

[olive ember]

these are not tetrio related but i made these not too long ago
gotta join the pool of rank art lmao

[stark trench]

@bac-

[ivory sphinx]

s- gone 😔

g gone 😔

[silk prism]

o gone 😔

[untold parrot]

completely throw out the focus on beginner ranks and give more attention to professional placements

[blazing anchor]

H is honored. Bro

[inland hill]

Infinite rank???

[ivory sphinx]

?

[inland hill]

i think what they meant was the good old “difference between beginner ranks is small” and “low X and high X is too far apart”

[ivory sphinx]

it's literally the opposite in.the one they replied to tho

the bottom HALF has a whopping TWO brackets which is way too far apart

[blazing anchor]

Puyo Puyo 15th Anniversary ranks

[tepid grove]

HQ

[tepid grove]

[haughty isle]

should've made it bold and have a background

[ivory sphinx]

just replace the rank icons with solid colours obviously

[untold parrot]

screw ranks

percentile borders

[ancient grove]

Just so you know, I hate these!

[digital axle]

ok i know it's a preview but you guys really have to zip these up lol

decently sure with the filenames as-is you can then just drag that .zip file into the tetrio+ main window and it will bulk import everything without you smashing your head against the other skins importer

[untold parrot]

you probably want to pin this

[digital axle]

pinning instructions for an unofficial mod in the official feature request form

[thin geode]

tbh this alongside many other of these threads that just get bumped w/ random discussion of "what ifs" should prob be closed

[digital axle]

[ivory sphinx]

we could make a thread in #tetrio·general or something for "custom sprites"

[haughty isle]

or like visit tetrio plus discord

[ivory sphinx]

I'm not joining t+ discord just to share my spritesets

[haughty isle]

[ancient grove]

You do you I guess

[storm plover]

Guys look at this

[opal lava]

in retrospect, Divsions is not a bad idea.

You can make 4 Groups

Rookie
Good
Special
Pro
Master

You could also combine Rookie and Good, and Pro & master even if they are nothing alike.

and then make Subdivisions in them, being more akin to what there is now.

This would end up mimicking ranks from other games, and seem familiar to seasoned gamers.

helpful and missleading in a way.

I'm very sorry if someone else already Suggested this.

exactly this but, the current ranks are the subdivision themselves.

[indigo stag]

the more i keep looking at this thread the more I think "what we have is fine"

[digital axle]

i'm still somewhat interested in axing earlier ranks

[cerulean sigil]

im fine with the current system too

except i just only wanna axe SS

just SS in particular. nothing else

[indigo stag]

I just don't feel like that accomplishes anything. Being at the bottom is demoralizing no matter how granular the ranks are. At least the way it is now it wouldn't take the same level of effort to see progress if one were to work at improving their game

[digital axle]

[cerulean sigil]

i feel like having more ranks at the bottom is essential, even

[indigo stag]

More ranks may seem cluttered but I think it makes it easier to see progress

[cerulean sigil]

more rank ups means you're seeing direct improvement, so you're actually motivated to play the game further

[indigo stag]

I suppose one alternative might be to remove the + and - ranks and replace them with divisions. But i think it's important for people to easily be able to see any progress they're making

[cerulean sigil]

aren't +es and -es just... divisions?

[brisk narwhal]

reminds me of whatever tf this is
https://geometry-dash-fan-ideas.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Difficulties

genuinely we do not need more ranks

or a change in ranks

or any ranks, for that matter

[elder kettle]

This is how I see it tbh.

[elder kettle]

imo the mass of early ranks does serve a purpose. Albeit a small one. Having a bunch of ranks early could help motivate new players to continue playing and improving. Which considering they likely got demolished just to get ranked in the first place..

[indigo stag]

Well no, they're seperate ranks

i would suggest more than that many divisions but rank wise, it would just show DCBAS

I mean like how league and other games do it

Bronze 5 4 3 2 1 silver 5 4 3 2 1 etc

but keep the letter names

[ivory sphinx]

also, getting rid of lower ranks would kinda ruin the divisions

most ranks hold 8% of the userbase

that's true until nearing the top and nearing the bottom

and 8% is a significant amount

if you clump, say, all the Ds and Cs for example

you're arbitrarily deciding that the bottom 22% of players just don't deserve distinction

but.. why? cause they're too bad? cause the skill level is too similar? skill level is different at all stages

like zyrixia said, having these divisions shows tangible improvement

[opal lava]

Having played other ranked games that generally group anything between D and A+, it would be horrible for newer players.

[frigid comet]

i agree with zap

i feel like for most D ranks it takes like a few days to rank up to D+ and then to C- and so on

it's not like they aren't making progress by gaining tons of TR, i just don't see the point in having a distinction between D and D+ when the skill level is so similar

[frigid comet]

check out their rank distribution

they have 11 ranks for the top 8% of players

2 ranks for the bottom 8% of players

because at lower ranks the distinction between skills is so little

you can go from top 100% to top 99% in a few days but going from top 2% to top 1% actually takes forever

[ivory sphinx]

this is true for a lot of games

e.g. in Infinitode, i went from 0th %ile to 50th, 60th, 70th just by Play More

but getting to top 10% (my goal, because top 10% got badges) was so hard and i ended up failing

D and D+ in tetrio are just uncharacteristically small tho imo

like they just randomly split the bottom 5% between them

[ivory sphinx]

btw this table sucks 😭 what are the numbers

rank % jumps around

[digital axle]

yeah i'm mainly attacking the problem from this angle

i wonder if tetradle or whatever would have interesting statistics here because if it's not a S rank replay really what can you base your observations on

[ivory sphinx]

OH is it "percentage of playerbase"

[ivory sphinx]

yeah fair

[magic pewter]

Yeah in a scenario where there's a maximum amount of ranks, I would prefer the ranks be more top heavy to differentiate skill level more accurately.

That said I also don't see why there can't be more ranks at the top while keeping how things are already.

[ivory sphinx]

my opinion is that ranks should be uniform

UNTIL

the top level

rather than a kind of exponential distribution

where lower is sparse and higher is dense

it should be the same, except for the higher levels where more distinguishing is needed

[digital axle]

yeah i know i'm ignoring how good it feels for those players and looking at the ranks as a very mechanical and unfeeling "they should be used to distinguish players"
when you look at it from that perspective it doesn't really matter that you're B- to a U rank coach, they probably already condemned the lower half of the leaderboard to be one skill already (even though the reality is more varied)

[ivory sphinx]

its probably that: to a pro, the lower ranks all look nearly the same

perhaps because skill is so varied up there?

idk

[brisk narwhal]

i mean while there definitely are differences within the bottom half of the ranks, i feel like it doesnt warrant 10 entire ranks within it. its kinda evident by how people tilt down 2 entire ranks or have a good session and pass multiple ranks entirely

[digital axle]

yeah that's what i mean, i don't mean delete everything but B rank and just make the top 100%→48% B rank

[brisk narwhal]

ah

abolish the rank system...

i still feel like removing ranks would solve many problems but idk if its in the spirit of the game or whatever

at the same time though this is probably not great as it reintroduces the problem of not enough change

what if ranks were only unlocked once you got to a certain point

[digital axle]

also like if rating is visible at all (i think it should be, it's important for transparency in a lot of faucets) it'll still be grating for people

sure there'll no longer be "i lost on my promotion game" malding but there will still be malding

[brisk narwhal]

true

maybe something like this where

eh idk

[digital axle]

🔗

[brisk narwhal]

[ivory sphinx]

entire bottom half???

[digital axle]

i'm exaggerating lol

but i do genuinely think if you visited MMC there would be people who don't consider A- rank to be different from C+

[ivory sphinx]

lmao thats funny

[frigid comet]

rank distribution vs cumulative distribution

table is fine

[frigid comet]

oh yea you realised

[frigid comet]

i think ranks should roughly uniformly follow the skill distribution

i know people who went from D to S+ in like 2 months and then spent 2 months to get to SS alone

like that just doesn't seem right, it's not really fun to be rapidly improving and then suddenly get stuck right

[ivory sphinx]

well you can climb lower divisions quickly in a lot of games

because a main factor is just

playtime

if you play more, youll improve more (generally)

and then that improvement curve eventually levels out

[frigid comet]

well i pose the question: is it right to be able to climb from D to D+, C-, C, C+, B-, B, B+, A-, A, A+, S-, S+ (up 12 ranks) in about 2 months (so more than a rank a week) and then suddenly take maybe a month to get to SS and then another 4 months to get to U?

i don't see the point of having a distinction between D and D+ and then D+ to C- if it takes literal days for most players to climb out of

[ivory sphinx]

depends what the true skill level of this person was

like were they D level SKILL wise

[frigid comet]

i guess they were if they reached it

[ivory sphinx]

hm

fair

[frigid comet]

anyways similar to zap, i'm not saying remove D to B ranks

i'm asking if we really need D+ and C- and C+ and whatever

[magic pewter]

i feel like the ranks are somewhat uniform until like s- or s rank, it mostly goes

3,1,2,1,2,3,2,4,4,4,5,6,9,14,23,31,38 for APM diff and goes out of control

[ivory sphinx]

skill is generally like

nvm i dont know what my point was gonna be

my personal experience is that

i spent half of season 1 in A+, because i just didnt play regularly

and im still BARELY s- skill

despite being promoted to S today

of my friends, they span several skill levels

two of them had never played tetris before

one was as bad as possible, and the other at least knew that topping out is bad

and then i have another friend whos spent a couple months climbing from i think about C? to now B

thats 20%ile

your friend climbed 80%ile

which

i dont even know how anyone does that

so what im saying is:
skill improvement depends on several things, like previous experience, effort in playtime, or natural learning ability. i have seen, in many games, that i climb the bottom half quite quickly, perhaps because i play more, or maybe i do just naturally progress well. however, skill still varies in that bottom half, and condensing it would be to ignore those differences, just based on some examples of some people going through them quickly, instead of looking at the twenty four thousand people that ARE STILL there. keeping the divisions uniform, as they are right now, is for the best, i would say, because there is genuine skill difference, and genuine improvement that needs to happen to traverse the ranks.

like why is it BAD to have uniform ranks

5% (D/D+ combined), 5%, 6%, then 8-8-8-8-8-8-8
this is a natural progression. its mostly linear in terms of placement to rank, which seems the most sensical to me

D and D+ are still outliers

hell, their combined 5% could be redistributed to make 8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8-8

maybe that would be more sensical

[indigo stag]

It's by design. I'm not saying copy that too lol

[ivory sphinx]

we also don't have the playercount to have tiers of this distribution lol

but i get the point

[magic pewter]

I never considered looking at as % rate increases, but even then i dont think that's uniform. 14-16% increases while the top is doubled at 34,36,31% still kinda shows there should be more ranks at the top end

[ivory sphinx]

yea the top is outliers

as always

[ivory sphinx]

square root of 1.3 is 1.14

hm

[magic pewter]

looks good to me. Personally think low SS and high SS is big enough difference in skill that the rank doesn't have much meaning. Same with low U and high U. I just feel like a rank should represent similar skill levels.

So breaking them up in half seems good to me

[glossy notch]

Epic I'm worse than a Class D player

[ruby swallow]

This is serious: there should be a U+ rank for top 2%.
This is because gap from SS to U is like 10 wins, but U to X is like 30 wins.
U+ should make sense as something in the middle as a goal for U ranks to aim for. Since let's admit it: 80% of U ranks will probably not become X rank.

[cerulean sigil]

honestly

yeah

[haughty isle]

u rank
v rank (<-u+ rank)
w rank (<-x rank)
x rank (<- x+ rank)

[torpid knoll]

This no. Would make it more complicated. Just keep X and X+

[feral yacht]

guys we should just make the entire alphabet of ranks, A is lowest Z is highest

[sly crater]

we need to add the sigma ohio skibid rizz rank

[ruby swallow]

Top ranks will be like:
SS: Top 11%
U: Top 5%
U+: Top 2%
X: Top 1%
X+: Top 0.2%
X++ (stylized as an X centered between two +'s): Top 0.05%
XX: Top 0.01%

But we should aim at about 100-200 players in the very top ranks

[terse gale]

I tend to consider top 2% as high U so that U+ percentile is reasonable

[cerulean sigil]

X+ is already just 100 players

XX would be 5 players

[ivory sphinx]

adding more topmost ranks is most likely unviable until there's a larger playerbase

"aiming for 100-200 players in [xx]" would mean 1 to 2 million total ranked players

[cerulean sigil]

100 players is probably the logical lower limit of the amount of people in a rank

[ivory sphinx]

agree

[cerulean sigil]

from there you can pretty much use the global placements as distinguishment

[ivory sphinx]

any lower and you're just slicing crumbs at that point

whats the actual phrase for that

there's gotta be a real one

[cerulean sigil]

X+ is probably gonna grow to like 200 players max

so it's a fair division

[ivory sphinx]

not enough tetrio playerbase 😔

[brisk narwhal]

stare

there is a larger rank disparity but tetrio is not at the point of having like a million tl players

it could work if there were many players, but at the same time i just dont like having multiple ++ or that many x ranks

[cerulean sigil]

yeah

i still like U+

[opal lava]

Chat, this is a W

sorry I couldn't hold it

[storm plover]

Here's what ranks would look like if [F-, F, F+, D-, SS-, SS+, X-, XX, XXXX / XXXXX] were added and I drew them.
Make sure to see the very first postbefore looking at this.

[tepid grove]

[ruby swallow]

X++ would look like +X+

[whole torrent]

Where’s XXX rank for #1

[blazing anchor]

How about X1, X2, X3...?

[cerulean sigil]

🪟

[storm plover]

Back when this post was made, there really wasn't an X++. is the max you can go this season. I hope Tetra League Season III adds [F-, F, F+, D-, SS-, SS+, X-, XX, XXXX] in the game soon.

[ruby swallow]

I thought of Roman Numeral Ranks. Each rank from 1 to 4 is 20% of players, but after 5 then having rank N means being in the top 1/N of the playerbase.

Parenthesis is the corresponding tetrio rank:

I = bottom 20% (D)
II = second 20% (C)
III = third 20% (B)
IV = fourth 20% (A)
V = top 20% (S)
X = top 10% (SS)
XX = top 5% (U)
L = top 2% (high U)
C = top 1% (X)
CC = top 0.5% (high X)
D = top 0.2% (X+)

Therefore, D rank is the highest rank as only 1/500 people get it

[cerulean sigil]

too many

[ivory sphinx]

20% is too granular

there's huge skill differences in 20%ile

[clear lotus]

@storm plover sadly or not no

[clear lotus]

yes but

having 2000 ranks won't help that much...

[ruby swallow]

Would you say the SS U X X+ sequence is also too granular?

[ivory sphinx]

I'm not in that bracket so I wouldn't know the differences

but in the normal portion of the skill scale, I think brackets should be spaced to have a balance

big enough that there's tangible differences, and that it feels like an ACCOMPLISHMENT to get to the next level
but small enough that there isn't huge jumps, and so it doesn't feel like a gargantuan task to promote

the current 8% seems pretty good for that
10% would probably be fine too to be honest, and would cut down a few ranks

[versed vigil]

maybe simplify it

it should be based on 5 major ranks numbered 1 to 5

each major rank split into - neutral and +

so rank 1 can be split into 1-, 1 and 1+

and rank 1 lowest, rank 5 highest

idk refine this however u want bcs i only thought of this in like 0.2 seconds

scrap that um

rank I+, top 10%
rank I, next 10%
rank II+, third 10%
rank II, fourth 10%
rank III+, 50%
rank III, 60%
rank IV+, 70%
rank IV, 80%
rank V+, 90%
rank V, 100%

rank I and I+ ft7
rank II and II+ ft5
others ft3

[ruby swallow]

Problem: Too granular at the higher ranks. There’s a huge difference between top 10% SS and top 0.2% X+

[versed vigil]

good point

um then we can add like rank T for top 5%
and then rank X for top 1%

[ivory sphinx]

agree

like

10%iles are fine UNTIL the top is what i meant

[ruby swallow]

I just want U+

[opal lava]

It's based of %

[granite sable]

I've acknowledged the entire thread before this and would like to say that the U- and U+ ranks look really nice

now that X+ is an actual thing tho, I think there is a lot of room for design improvement above it in the concept

[ruby swallow]

Why U-?

S+: 17%
SS: 11%
U: 5%
U+: 2%
X: 1%
X+: 0.2%
XX: 0.01% ??

[ivory sphinx]

they said they liked how it looked in the op

they do look pretty nice I agree

[frigid comet]

number of people in XX: 5 💀

[ivory sphinx]

zyrixia's benchmark of 100 players per bracket minimum is great imo

[clear lotus]

tbh a rank that barely 10 would achieve would make the lower rank to feel like its not enough

x+ with only 100 is already little enoughtbh

[untold parrot]

yes we need a trillion ranks

keep making more

[ruby swallow]

There should be very few ranks

D: Tetris Prison
CBA,S-: Tetris Noob
S/SS: Tetris Pro
U, low X: Tetris Master
X (top 0.5%): Tetris Elite
XX: Tetris Champion

[ivory sphinx]

[haughty isle]

tetris civilization be like

[blazing anchor]

E-D is actually noob

[ivory sphinx]

napoppu in the future where they have E rank already

[ivory sphinx]

OH MY GOD I DIDNT NOTICE

[clear lotus]

also maybe sometimes ranking up feels good but if you have so many ranks you just like rank up every 2 matches i feel like it can become less exciting because the jump between one and another isnt that big

[ivory sphinx]

yeah, what i said here ^

[spice lance]

here's an idea:
tier I: top 100%
tier II: top 80%
tier III: top 64%
tier IV: top 51.2%
tier V: top 40.96%
etc.

[brisk narwhal]

??? ????? ????

[versed vigil]

so 10 ranks?

ig that could work

it goes from big brackets slowly down to little brackets at the top

[ivory sphinx]

wtf dont say "etc" i have literally no idea how that pattern continues

oh i see it

uhhh

thats a weird pattern i dont like it

and three brackets for entire bottom half might be pushing it