TL rank update

[plucky harbor]

A suggest for a rank update in tetra league. More ranks = more fun am i right or am i right?
Introducing new ranks such as Double X and Ultima X reseved only for the best of the best.
Also making +/- rank for X, U and SS is a good choice here.
Don't forget about lower ranks tho. They have a new ranks aswell such as whole new Tier "F"
Here's a little cheat sheet on how percentages could work with this ranking system.
- 0.01% or only #1
- 0.05% or places #2-#10
- 0.1% or places #11-#50
- 0.5% or places #51-#100
- 1%
- 4%
- 8%
- 12%
- 19%
- 25%
- 30%
- 35%
- 40%
- 45%
- 50%
- 54%
- 58%
- 62%
- 66%
- 70%
- 75%
- 78%
- 83%
- 87%
- 90%
- 93%
- 95%
- 97%
- 100%

The matches in this could work like this:
- ft3
- ft5
- ft7
- ft9

Its all my random idea and im just throwing it out here cuz why not. Maybe someone will like it.

[digital axle]

changes are planned to come alongside the character system update and tetr.io's beta release, but there's no ETA for that
here's some of osk's opinions about adding more ranks nonetheless

he's clarified further in the past to make clear that the changes are going to put much less focus on lower ranks, because at the end of the day, there's really no difference between a player and a player, especially when you compare a player to a one (same two-rank gap if you look at it generically enough)

⇒more density at higher ranks

see also: this legacy thread from #legacy·feature·request https://discord.com/channels/673303546107658242/985787185460576266

[elder kettle]

Yeah I'm happy to wait for the character update though SS and higher definitely have very wide skill variations that even cause one-sided matches within the same rank.

[lament ingot]

I think we should get rid out of + and - ranks and only have D, C, B,A, S, SS, U and X

[primal creek]

is there even a need for d to c rank

good effort though

and if there is SS and XX wheres the UU

[plucky harbor]

W rank

[digital axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/847031509894692902.webp

[plucky harbor]

Banger

[runic plover]

I think the rank system should be something like this:
FT7 zone
Top 500: Their position in the rankings (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.)
501st-2%: U+
2%-5%: U
5%-8%: U-
FT5 zone
8%-12%: S+
12%-17%: S
17%-23%: S-
23%-30%: A+
30%-37%: A
37%-45%: A-
FT3 zone
45%-55%: B+
55%-68%: B
68%-80%: B-
80%-90%: C+
90% and below: C

Over 100 RD: D

[plucky harbor]

I guess he's thinking more like to even up that density in high tiers
Thats why i made up my idea to get more ranks in higher tiers from 3 originally there are 11 possible. Also if osk doesn't want to put some more time in lower tiers ig he can get rid of +/- ranks in them

[ebon bear]

Hell no. It's already difficult enough with the current letter system

[swift maple]

honestly i dont think creating more arbitrary barriers of skill is a good thing

although it can be satisfying to reach a new rank

but if you really want to be more specific just use tr

[digital axle]

when there's so many that you're getting them in two games it can lose its spunk i think lol

[primal creek]

what even is the character system

[digital axle]

https://github.com/ZaptorZap/tetriofaq/wiki/Mechanics#character-system

[primal creek]

NOO NOT THAT WORD

spunk means something else in britain

[digital axle]

i mean it works in that sense too

[primal creek]

nah

Ok..

[digital axle]

yeah why not

[autumn pollen]

for the original post, having F rank(s) can be really discouraging lol, it doesnt feel good when the game itself is making fun of you

i guess D rank is a similar story, but this might be the reason there's no D- rank

[robust monolith]

tbh the wide skill range between U to X rank is insane, maybe add more ranks in between? cus like some people finds ranking up really rewarding i think any ranks below that is fine tho

[robust monolith]

but to be fair it's pretty hard for ranks to shift around since everyone's already used to what a U rank's skill to have so i think this idea is not doable at all

[raw vector]

this is kinda crazy like if you get f- rank youll get really discouraged and the game really seems to be mocking you

and the more ranks the harder it'll be so people might give up?

[crimson wren]

S- for a Top 45% player seems too unbalanced for me

I actually like the current system, but I personally suggest
S: 24%
C+: 83%
C: 88%
C-: 92%
D+: 96%
D: 100%
(Everything else stays the same)

[elder kettle]

That suggestion hardly changes the ranks tbh. Skill-wise I'd say the the bottom 1/3 of the ranks ( to ) could be compressed as the skill variance is very little between the ranks compared to the top 1/6 to ) where there are massive skill swings in the same rank.

and the skill variance becomes even more apparent when players' improvement in skill is the fastest at the beginning of their journey

[winter horizon]

This is probably a terrible idea but that’s some cool art for the new ranks

[gleaming trout]

(this is really stupid) what if we beheaded the ranks at a point and just made it like a master class sorta thing (please tell me why this idea is stupid)

[swift maple]

dont even know what you mean

👍

[glossy notch]

Tbh the div system would make more sense anyways.

[terse zephyr]

so for f- on 100% does that mean you only get it if youre literally the single worst player in the ladder (ok i guess not, but its still funny to think about)

i find that funny as hell

[forest root]

W moment

[raw vector]

game be like saying to f- players: "L BOZO GET OUT"

i dont think we should add f-

[tepid grove]

[cerulean sigil]

D rank is humiliating enough

[quartz jay]

Lower ranks should be compressed

If more ranks between U and X would be interesting

But definitely getting rid of some lower ranks would be nice

[rustic comet]

I'm all for the the silly F rank because I'd get to use an extra letter emote for memes then

[plain roost]

add these ranks only as emotes and nothing else

[reef tartan]

We can use some more X ranks
But we don't need them placement based

[torpid knoll]

Where e rank

[digital axle]

[tepid grove]

whta is practice mode

in custom games

[digital axle]

(https://tetr.io/about/patchnotes/#chlog_6_3_1)

➔ Selectable under Game Type in custom rooms, this will allow you to undo/redo and even retry in multiplayer. Useful for coaching.
　➔ Available for 1v1s only.
aside from that it's pretty much normal

[brisk narwhal]

we should get rid of ALL ranks and instead just use numbers

[elder kettle]

Tbf I already do this to an extent. Though that's more to do with the higher end skill differentials.

[brisk narwhal]

i like the different x divisions but they need a different name, like imagine xxxx rank lol

also i feel like (at least right now) the ranks dont need as many divisions as other games because tetr.io is small compared to like LoL or valorant or overwatch

[elder kettle]

Imo the ranks should reflect the skill group of the player instead of how many players are in said group. As it would be an indicator of how well they play so even outside of matchmaking players can find people around their own skill level to go up against.

The TR number system itself allows for a more accurate result yet the ranks themselves can act as a goal to work towards. Like the badges.

Using your LoL comparison as an example, the top 1% of players in TETR.IO are grouped into one rank ( ) whereas the top 1% of players in LoL are grouped into 6 ranks (Diamond 3, 2, 1, Master, Grandmaster and Challenger.)

[swift maple]

i dont think tetrio has the playerbase for that tbh

like it wouldnt really make sense to me if there was like, 50 people in a rank

unless its a very elite rank

[crimson wren]

Do you have more of them

[primal creek]

need j rank

[crimson wren]

If the ranks were based on TR:
X: 24750-25000
U: 23750-24750
SS: 22250-23750
S+: 20750-22250
S: 19250-20750
S-: 17500-19250
A+: 15500-17500
A: 13500-15500
A-: 11500-13500
B+: 9500-11500
B: 7500-9500
B-: 5500-7500
C+: 4000-5500
C: 2500-4000
C-: 1250-2500
D+: 625-1250
D: 0-625

(Just for fun, not a suggestion)

[digital axle]

[tepid grove]

codeforces has this type of system: https://codeforces.com/ratings

im not even sure how this system works, honestly, but only about ~50-55 people at a time hold the "legendary grandmaster" title which is the deep red

similarly to tetr.io, the rating disparity even within the top 50 is absolutely mind-bogglingly large

[crimson wren]

Lowercase x, u, s, a, b, c, d ranks

[plain roost]

💀 bruh that makes me s-

[crimson wren]

@plain roost What's your TR and rank?

[plain roost]

19161

bruh

[crimson wren]

Oh-

[plain roost]

im like halfway to s+

but due to inflation tr went down

[crimson wren]

Well, if it really was based on that, I would be at a low B instead of a high B

[plain roost]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/763146093655359488/1034300673564618872/ranks.png?width=971&height=606

[crimson wren]

Differences between the ones based on TR:
X: 24750 (+141)
U: 23750 (+460)
SS: 22250 (+661)
S+: 20750 (+776)
S: 19250 (+841)
S-: 17500 (+752)
A+: 15500 (+968)
A: 13500 (+1103)
A-: 11500 (+1142)
B+: 9500 (+1279)
B: 7500 (+1346)
B-: 5500 (+1133)
C+: 4000 (+1039)
C: 2500 (+692)
C-: 1250 (+170)
D+: 625 (-82)
D: 0 (0)

Yeah, totally would've fucked up

[plain roost]

yeah, and a lot of angry people near the borders or when they just got that rank

you literally, maybe? pushed the inflation back when tetrio was at its infancy

[cerulean sigil]

you gave me an idea

[fossil hollow]

yikes

[crimson wren]

I was just joking tho lol

[digital axle]

[hearty girder]

I support the idea to take D+ away and add something like U-

At the end of the day I still can’t beat a 24.3k

[plain roost]

april fools idea: make the ranks reversed, for example, D rank -> X rank, and X rank -> D rank

[digital axle]

you can do that yourself with tetr.io plus if you want

[plain roost]

not committed to downloading it so either someone has to send a video of it

btw anons -> z rank

[crimson wren]

X: 100%, U: 99%, SS: 95%, S+: 89%, S: 83%, S-: 77%, A+: 70%, A: 62%, A-: 54%, B+: 46%, B: 38%, B-: 30%, C+: 22%, C: 16%, C-: 10%, D+: 5%, D: 2.5%

[plain roost]

so true

[terse gale]

voila

[plain roost]

noice

[tepid grove]

The system before X work same. But X rank was now assign to a different league where only X rank is allowed. X rank is now separate to α(0.5~1%), β(0.25%~0.5%), and γ (Top 100). γ rank change color based on rank (change from X- to QX by 1% for every rank up, change X rank color to U+ color)

[abstract kettle]

people who get to x rank on a lucky streak will lose an overwhelming majority of their matches and maybe become permanently discouraged in tl when they are probably core players of the game, not to mention queue time issues (sometimes top players queue for 10 minutes to get U ranks; imagine if U ranks were gone?)

having an exclusive ladder is just bad lol

[viral lichen]

ngl yea i agree with this

exclusive ladders will just never work

[tepid grove]

if that happened there would probs be a grindfest for F-

[abstract kettle]

legendary grandmaster corresponds to a fixed rating of 3000+

honestly that rating system is pretty accurate though

partially due to mass contests just having way less variance than 1v1s if you take enough of them

[rose bluff]

I'm not on my computer right now so I can't really write a long response, but here's what I think: if the direction is to have less ranks, then what I think should be done first and foremost (at least, as a stopgap solution until CharSys) would be to abolish the +/- padding of all ranks A to D. Having padding ranks in those places doesn't really make much sense.

However, if possible, a few more ranks for the upper part of TL. Namely, padding for SS and U would be nice to consider. I'm against more ranks for X though, simply because for those cases, the world #n badge speaks for itself.

[tepid grove]

Recomendation: The color of X become closer from the color of :XMRANK: to the color of :QXRANK: for every rank increase. (There are 400 X rank players now, so the color will change by 1/399 for every rank increase/ decrease.)

[cold bloom]

how d'yall make those fancy shmancy letters?

[elder kettle]

Emotes from other servers. A lot of tournament servers that do Tetrio have them

Example being TAWS. Though this is slightly off-topic

[reef tartan]

i agree to color changes depending how close you are, but the "ranks that are based solely on rank and not percentile" i disagree with

[mild thorn]

character update go brr

[digital axle]

[reef tartan]

Make sweep gain more on wins, but not lose more on losses

Cuz rn sweeps are pretty worthless

And makes it better against lower ranks

(altho that won't matter if ranks gone)

[abstract kettle]

whats the difference between like 7-0 and 7-1 lol

throwing a game or 2 versus someone way worse shoudlnt matter

[glossy notch]

Div system > Current system

[reef tartan]

not much, but there is a coolness factor with it

[abstract kettle]

wdym

[swift maple]

i assume by div system they mean having less ranks but each rank has divisions

[somber pelican]

So here is my interpretation of what will the ranks be when they are redone. The Bronze to Platinum ranks are separated into divisions, which are as follows, from lowest to highest:

Bronze II - top 100%
Bronze I - top 90%
Silver II - top 80%
Silver I - top 65%
Gold III - top 54%
Gold II - top 42%
Gold I - top 32%
Platinum III - top 24%
Platinum II - top 15%
Platinum I - top 10%
Master - top 5%
Grand Master - top 1%

As for the match types, these are:
FT3 - Bronze II-Gold III
FT5 - Gold II-Platinum
FT7 - Master & Grand Master

[robust monolith]

isn't this basically a rename for the current teto ranks

[somber pelican]

It's not just that

This has less focus on lower ranks

Currently, there are 17 ranks, which is way too many for me

But here, there are 12

[inland hill]

how about just

get rid of ranks

[robust monolith]

That would probably make the game less competitive and rewarding

[inland hill]

is it though? like you can always say "im top 100" instead of "im X rank"

[digital axle]

besides, ranks are incredibly important for tournament championships like the underdogs cup tournament or tetr.io ametures weekly

simply using percentiles instead could work, but osk is specifically skewing TR gain/loss according to rank to make things more balanced by hand

this becomes a gargantuan task if nobody agrees where "professional" borders are (as of now, that's definitively defined)

[inland hill]

unrelated but does anyone knows why U and X specifically? like S and SS, maybe it's super and super super, but idk what U and X could stand for

[robust monolith]

I understand x but i personally dont know why u exists

[digital axle]

yeah splatoon right?

[robust monolith]

U rank*

[digital axle]

oh, well i'm not entirely sure if it's a splatoon reference, but X rank there is the highest rank one can achieve

[somber pelican]

I think X means eXtreme

U means Ultra

[robust monolith]

like its kinda the odd one out of all ranks

[inland hill]

hmm
kinda makese sense
but that raise the question
why the +- ends with SS
actually, why SS when you could have done S- and S+
/unrelated feel free to ignore

[digital axle]

philosophical questions

[elder kettle]

Imo those tournaments could continue even without ranks. You could just display a player's top rating somewhere on their profile and a tournament like TAWS could just say "all players up to 23,000TR."

[digital axle]

ranks aren't based on TR cutoffs, they're based on percentile cutoffs

[inland hill]

how about all players up to top 10%

[elder kettle]

It's an arbitrary cutoff regardless.

[robust monolith]

Yea but theyre talking about removing the ranks

[digital axle]

and as an alternative, that falls flat

nobody really questions the ubiquitous of rank cutoffs—it's clear what counts and what doesn't

consider that they also count lifetime rank
without ranks, such a stat doesn't exist, and tetr.io doesn't officially track max glicko, let alone what your percentile was in relation to everyone else's at the time

[digital axle]

on the other hand, if you were to try hosting a skill-regulated tournament in jstris where only those with sprint times above 45 seconds could join, i bet your bum people would doubt the limit tenfold

(ignoring how easy it is to forge single player records in jstris of course)

[fervent basin]

The thing is that ranks have been exaggerated too much. The a rank is meant to be the skill in school report cards, but now it’s just a mere ‘above average’

[elder kettle]

They only partially mean something. Which is why this thread existed in the first place. As the ranks from onwards have such a wide skill margin that you can have unfair matches within the same rank.

What I'm saying is that regardless of what you use to determine skill there will be an arbitrary cutoff point when you begin ranking people.

Again using TAWS as an example, the cutoff for their usual event is . Yet what is the factor that determines a top 5.01% player is allowed yet a top 4.99% player is not despite both players being practically the same skill? The answer is an arbitrary cutoff. Which is fine because that line has to be drawn somewhere.

What I'm saying is that if ranks are to be used then they should be useful metrics to determine player skill and badges of honour to work towards. Having too many makes obtaining each rank rather fruitless yet having too few causes frustration when trying to group players for matches. Which is why people say things such as "low U" and "high U" because the gap is so wide they need to specify a certain part of that rank for better skill context.

Sorry for the late reply. At work atm

[digital axle]

precisely, that's why people are suggesting changes to the ranks such that they're more useful for applications like these. they're an addition, not an augmentation, so if you're dedicated to only using glicko, you're more than welcome to

completely removing ranks? simply counterproductive and damaging, particularly to partnered events such as those. a letter grade system is universal and easy to understand(putting aside and being the top ranks—you'll still know a rank is going to be good at the game, and a rank is going to be near the bottom, if not the bottom). 0-25000 magic internet points? that's going to take some explaining. -∞ to positive ∞ glicko? have fun reading

they seek to only display information in a more convenient, easy to understand way

[reef tartan]

ranks bases on stats

[runic plover]

Opener mains after being forced to play against people who are better than them:

[terse gale]

efficient people who mega-thrive in matches against opener mains at their apm:

[cerulean sigil]

feels like SS is the odd one

it either feels like an extension of the S ranks or a separate entire thing from the S ranks

[robust monolith]

SS is something u usually see on other games so its normal for me

[torpid knoll]

Its better if bronze II till gold II will be FT3 and

Gold I to platinum gets ft5

[somber pelican]

I may think of it

[mild thorn]

ty fam i wanted to know what that equation was lookin like but didnt feel like thinking about it ;)

[lilac reef]

i'd still really like to see more divisions from U rank and up

if they were split up into top 5%, 2.5%, 1%, and 0.5% (or something similar), it'd be cool

though i suppose fewer lower ranks achieves the same thing with less clutter, so eh

[somber pelican]

How about this?

Bronze II - top 100%
Bronze I - top 90%
Silver II - top 80%
Silver I - top 65%
Gold III - top 54%
Gold II - top 42%
Gold I - top 32%
Platinum III - top 24%
Platinum II - top 15%
Platinum I - top 10%
Master - top 5%
Grand Master - top 2.5%
Legendary Grand Master - top 1%
Demi-Champion - top 0.5%

For the match types:
FT3 - Bronze II-Gold III
FT5 - Gold II-Platinum
FT7 - Master and above

For the global #1 player, it will be Champion instead of Demi-Champion

[lilac reef]

i like it

[swift maple]

imo it would make more sense for top 0.5 to be champion and global no 1 be grand champion

[lilac reef]

well, in matt's defense, the #1 does get this banner

so "champion" would indeed be consistent

[swift maple]

fair

[cerulean sigil]

what would the hypothetical design of this be

would the ranks have the same design as current rank letters

or will it just be similar to the other games with such ranks

[somber pelican]

The latter

[untold parrot]

sdf so many ranks
plus F rank seems like a harsh rank to be in

[tepid grove]

i mean

[topaz mortar]

imagine first time playing the game, getting traumatized after hopping in rank and seeing the game calling you a F

[cinder kettle]

d rank isn't much better to be honest

[elder kettle]

I mean it's the same reason as to why and are actually about average. It looks good because people associate 'A' with a good assessment (like getting an A on your test.)

And so many games place their average players either in or close to 'gold' because getting gold in something usually means you're good.

It only exists to let lesser players feel like they're better than what they really are

(which also makes me wonder if this trend also contributes towards the Dunning Kruger effect and it's increased toxicity. )

[lilac reef]

dr. archina out here with the sociology thesis

[slim holly]

if a few ranks had to go I would get rid of s- and s+

just seems like the easiest to remove and would make a & a+ actually above average

[tepid grove]

there is no need for a #1 rank when you already have #1 global on your profile
everyone knows who you are, the extra rank is pointless

in general, I don't think more ranks is a good idea

[topaz mortar]

a & a+ isn't above average
if the percentiles aren't changed
it won't change anything

[tepid grove]

notably, 12500 TR (which is supposed to be the median afaik) is actually the 55th percentile

[ebon swan]

probably cuz the lowest TR isn't close to 0

while the highest is 24999

[digital axle]

nah that's not why

the average player simply loses more than they win, you can see the average global winrate on http://tetrio.team2xh.net/?

the average skill is really inflated, so a lot of new stackers find tetr.io off googling "tetris io", get totally pounded by people who won't top out of their own volition, and end up leaving i suppose

[somber pelican]

TETR.IO is described as the free-to-win online stacker game in the same genre as Tetris due to new people finding it through searching "tetris io" online, as ZaptorZap said

[digital axle]

[somber pelican]

There is a chance that some players who discovered TETR.IO after having played Tetris games before have called the game by either "TETRIS.IO" or "tetris io"

[digital axle]

oh people do often

[weary merlin]

need xxx rank

need :rankX: :rankX: :rankX: rank

[lament ingot]

need E rank

[brave hazel]

where did you get the emotes from

:URANK:

[elder kettle]

They're on all sorts of servers. An example being TAWS as they have all the official ranks ( to .)

[sick berry]

Top 500: Their position in the rankings (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.)
I'm suprised that there wasn't more discussion on something like this, percentile ranks are dope but will always be a bit innacurate, which will also assist in the rank climbing since currently upper rank climbing looks the same anyways (as in rank can be ignored)

[lilac reef]

oh, to be a demi-champion...

[tepid grove]

platinum I sounds much better than SS

this system crosses over to a lot of different games

[reef tartan]

Can't wait to be GM rank

[quartz jay]

I propose we name all the ranks after a food item

Like bread rank

Or like spaghetti rank

[fossil hollow]

I still want a temporary L rank for banned players who can’t access tetra league

[untold parrot]

at that extent that's shaming

tl ranks also shouldn't repeat Xs countless times since it would look boring

[fossil hollow]

Well if you’ve done something so severe to get banned from EVEN FROM TL you kinda had it coming

Plus it’s more funny that shaming

Or I think it is

Maybe a bad take

[digital axle]

honestly just idealizes getting banned even more

[fossil hollow]

Oh

Yeah true

Actaliakly that’s a very good point

[digital axle]

i'm already sick and tired of people heading straight into #quick·play·link with slurs to get

[fossil hollow]

I did not think of that

Even I would be tempted to get the l rank atleast once

[digital axle]

[fossil hollow]

[digital axle]

the worst part is nobody even does

[fossil hollow]

Tbf qp only consists of the newest of players and 2 random x ranks that keep dominating

For the x ranks this is just another day in tetrio and the new folks don’t even know how to report

[digital axle]

this doesn't happen daily lol

especially not since anons and those under level 3 were completely banned from chatting in #quick·play·link

[untold parrot]

you can always use T+

plus isn't the bad standing thing already enough

[fossil hollow]

Yes but the funny L rank

[untold parrot]

use T+

and don't report T+ issues here

[reef tartan]

for...what?

[digital axle]

for the bad standing banner "because it looks so cool"

[reef tartan]

"dude look i could face temporary unability to play, im 2 cool 4 school"

[untold parrot]

"look at how big my profile is"

[tepid grove]

if you think the bad standing banner looks so cool, wait until you see the B& profile look

[lilac reef]

just wait till you see https://a-lined.osk.sh/

[tepid grove]

You were automatically blacklisted from this service. If this seems wrong, ask an admin?

[somber pelican]

IIRC there is an a-lined ban dialog in TETR.IO itself

[lilac reef]

(it looks like that)

[reef tartan]

rude

thats cool tho

[somber pelican]

e automatically blacklisted

[digital axle]

e automatically blacklisted

[sick berry]

I didnt realize that tetrio already does this to an extent

[digital axle]

@tepid grove duplicated

[reef tartan]

Huh

[digital axle]

(they submitted a duplicate request)

[serene lion]

i like the ranking system now already no change plz 😭

[digital axle]

honestly this whole thread is a meme lol

[serene lion]

so true

[crimson wren]

Same here tbh

[serene lion]

ikrikrikr

[crimson wren]

It's very balanced

[cerulean sigil]

new rank

X⁵⁰

it's X rank but Fifty

[serene lion]

n o

no more ranks 😭

[crimson wren]

X⁶⁹⁴²⁰

[serene lion]

nO

[reef tartan]

Less lower and more high ranks

we lhave 9 tiers in X already

Low low tpo high high

[serene lion]

keep rank how it is xD

[brisk narwhal]

well the problem is that high players go through hell

personally i don't really like the ranks where they are right now

[neon igloo]

what about omitting the rank letter in the first place and either implementing a new system or just using tr?

honestly i do like the graphic that umbreowon posted for the top ranks because i only increase like 5 tr when i win a tl game, and i feel like im not improving as much when im just going from x rank to x rank every single time

[elder kettle]

either implementing a new system
Already planned for charsys

[frozen galleon]

I think they should just shame the really bad players and have an F rank players

No minus, or plus, just F

[reef tartan]

F rank for you in that case

[frozen galleon]

:(

[neon igloo]

i think that the existence of ranks below a rank like b and c makes players in those tiers feel like noobs that are below average and horrible at the game, therefore i suggest having only A- A, A+ S- S, S+, SS, U, X, Double X, and Ultima X as outlined at the start of this post

[frozen galleon]

No we just need F rank, the others are just made way over done and we just only need the players who can send 1 attack per minute to be shamed

[tepid grove]

e

[neat vessel]

cant agree more lmao

[neon igloo]

b- b- but this discriminates against lower ranked players soooo much and generally makes them feel rlly bad like "ha ha ha ur only f rank" and also considering that everyone starts out as f rank this would rlly discourage new players from continuing to play

imagine if u enter tetrio and are like "oh whats this tetra league thing" and try it and then u get f rank and then ur like "ooh im proud of my f rank i wanna enter a room" so you do and then everyone is like "lmao an f rank" "u suck" "ur so bad" "u are a noob" and then u say "i hate this game" and delete ur account

i mean its just not welcoming to new players

makes people feel bad

[crimson wren]

That makes sense...

Even just the D rank might be humiliating to some people

Well, the lowest rank is always humiliating enough

[digital axle]

rank was actually planned but it was scrapped by osk for the same reason

[crimson wren]

Oh

"F and E are just dumb lol"

[terse gale]

lol

[brisk narwhal]

osu route:

everyone ranked by standings

[untold parrot]

ew

[digital axle]

@tropic thicket new rank discussion goes here

[tepid grove]

when no rank

[tropic thicket]

ok

[tropic thicket]

wut

ok what abt have F rank and E and some rank above X

like....... maybe have a U- U U+ and X- X X+ and maybe double X

since there is SS rank maybe there is a double U and X too

or how abt when the person reaches a certent no. of TR the rank become the Tetr.io logo which symbolise legendary?....... idk

@neat vessel do u have any idea as i can see u trying to type out some stuff

its ok

u can just tell me

[neat vessel]

if anything i ought not to suggest E rank due to there being 5 standard grades
Failure to meet expectations
Does pass, but barely
Can pass
Better
Acceptable
historically E as a grade was the first F but it was recieved as excellent rather than fail
and having the modifiers for U and X ranks is kinda a good idea but also quite controversial

[tropic thicket]

hmmmmmm no bad

[neat vessel]

heh?

[tropic thicket]

eh.....

[neat vessel]

drew that as a joke
but in all seriousness no, just maybe have modifiers for U and X and maybe call it a day

[ebon blade]

How about f rank for players over 200 rd

I know that's not really the thing about ranks but why not

[tropic thicket]

cuz rank is very competitive so people will find it fun to climb the rank

well me and my friend do

[tepid grove]

like come on just add f and z rank otherwise its just kinda (discription goes here)

[ebon blade]

My idea is to keep people playing bec for some people ? rank is fine but they might feel like f rank is a huge F
Also wumbo

[ebon blade]

Theres already z rank (? rank)

[tepid grove]

no

that ? rank

[ebon blade]

Well idk

Maybe it's just icly

[tepid grove]

z rank = top 100

[ebon blade]

Ok

[tropic thicket]

oh wait nice

[tepid grove]

idk

it only makes sensd

e

e

[tropic thicket]

thats good

[crimson wren]

Z rank doesn't fit for the best rank in my opinion tho :/

[tepid grove]

what does

a rank lmao

H

O

Z

T

Y

idk

I

the only ones that make sense

are y and z

so idk y rank for top 100 and z rank for top 1

or top 1

idk

no top 10

[crimson wren]

Z rank fits for the worst rank in my opinion, the rest don't even fit for ranks lmao

[tropic thicket]

how abt the tetr.io logo

i mean it looks cool and good right

have the legendary tetr.io player feel

[untold parrot]

having double Xs feels pointless

[robust monolith]

idk but its more suitable for a moderator to have a tetrio badge instead

also that idea would make new players unsure where that rank even places

either probably high or unranked or unregistered

[untold parrot]

i like dynamic rank cutoffs

EX rank where

[cerulean sigil]

letters of other alphabets:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[digital axle]

periodic table of elements:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[untold parrot]

extended periodic table of elements

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[tropic thicket]

ohhhhh wait

i got an idea

[digital axle]

[tropic thicket]

u guys know that in some game like val

they rank themself in terms of metallic object

how abt we take some short form from the periodic table of element

[digital axle]

you mean have a gold rank and a platinum rank?? GENIUS

[tropic thicket]

yes

[untold parrot]

not the valorant ranks
anything like bronze or gold is ok

[tropic thicket]

ik

we r not gonna copy

[untold parrot]

if i hear radiant in tetrio I'll scream

[tropic thicket]

imagine

[untold parrot]

I'll make a t+ shit for it

[tropic thicket]

lol

[untold parrot]

who knows how many people here do play valorant

[tropic thicket]

idk

how abt we take some element that is recently created

Flerovium

Moscovium

[untold parrot]

https://youtu.be/k11ZizyQ5F4

real

[tropic thicket]

hmmmmm

since they dont have any properties yet y dont we use them

Somewhat like giving them value

[untold parrot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i know there are less ranks in valorant than in tetrio

[tropic thicket]

@digital axle what do u think

[digital axle]

GENIUS

[untold parrot]

uggggggggghhjhhh

gotta include more shit to fill gaps in

[tropic thicket]

as in u mean it?

[digital axle]

[tropic thicket]

...

soooooo how we gonna do it

[digital axle]

well we just have to wait for osk to review the proposition and decide for himself

[tropic thicket]

ok

[dim osprey]

That thing is the scariest shit ever

[tepid grove]

@tropic thicket the only issue I have with ranks is how wide in skill U and X are, I think lower ranks are fine

no need for D-, E, F, or any of that

no only is there barely any skill difference in that region, imagine how demoralizing it feels to find a new game, start playing, and see the game call you a failure

the difference in skill between the very worst player in D and your average A- player is less than the difference between a 23.2k U rank and a 24.2k U rank

for X and upwards the skill gap gets staggeringly huge

on the other hand, I think the current percentile system (SS = top 11%, U = top 5%, X = top 1%) is intuitive and there’s not too much of a point splitting up X rank since there’s only 400 players there to begin with, and everyone north of 24.4 doesn’t need an arbitrary rank to judge the true skill of a given X rank

like the one big problem I have is that somewhere around 60% of U rank is in the inflation zone, which makes it frustrating to climb past 24k, but maybe that’s not an issue that should be addressed with an extra rank

[brisk narwhal]

valorant has 4 ranks for the top 1% of players

within the top 400 players is really a lot of skill difference

the flex of top rank can range from best player to sweepable

[tepid grove]

valorant also has like 11 million players

ranked players

[brisk narwhal]

1 million

ranked

qait no

but its not 11 million players

[tepid grove]

oh is it like tetrio which has 6 million players but 45k ranked

1 mil is still a ton

[untold parrot]

imagine tetrio with 10,000,000 ranked players

rank cutoffs be going📈📉📈📉📈📉

would take weeks or months to stabilize

[tropic thicket]

...

idk

but then what happen if more player play TL?

like more people will be in X rank right

idk maybe 10 yrs later

also when there is a higher ranking it is more exciting

@digital axle how come i cannot chat at any community chat?

[ebon blade]

e

[neon igloo]

i rlly think we should use the model presented at the start of this post for splitting of x rank (normal x, double x, and then ultima x)

[untold parrot]

stop with the X's it's getting pointless

Triple Xs are bad

so don't bother even thinking of it

[brisk narwhal]

^

[fossil hollow]

this is so dumb

XXX RANK REAL????

Osk confirmided xxx rank comign to tetraios

[brisk narwhal]

how about

NO ranks

[tepid grove]

if we get so many people as to cause a problem then maybe add more ranks

but for now the playerbase is not exactly exponentially growing

[dim osprey]

We should just use TR maybe and no ranks at all?

[tepid grove]

not a bad idea

[untold parrot]

it's like having the burger without the extra toppings

[ebon blade]

...

how about

noob rank and pro rank and nothing else

[crimson wren]

That's too dumb tbh

The gap in just one rank will be way too wide

(Honestly, I like the current one)

[elder kettle]

Noob rank: 1-24998 TR
Pro rank: 24999 TR

Though on-topic is it worth keeping this discussion open? I feel like everything that can be said about ranks has already been done so and it's kind of devolved into suggestions.

[digital axle]

it really is the most suggestion for sure

[ebon blade]

Wheres my 0tr
Def beyond pro rank

[ebon blade]

‎

[tropic thicket]

E

TF

[ebon blade]

also then all guests will be pro and unranked will be... e or f rank ig

[untold parrot]

E rank is to be confused with "Excellent"
F rank is utter shame

[crimson wren]

Both are humiliating

[untold parrot]

yeah

[tepid grove]

I’ve said this before but I think the current rank system is fine overall

It’s not so riddled with problems that a rework of some sort is inevitable

U rank inflation and X rank skill gap are the only potential issues, but I’m not sure adding/removing/renaming ranks arbitrarily would help

[ebon blade]

eeeee rank then

[tepid grove]

if there were any changes the only things that should be added are z rank cuase any less and its kinda insulting

[haughty isle]

unironically the most popular thread

[digital axle]

[haughty isle]

almost feels like this should be on the guideline 'don't request us to make more tl rank or we'll ban your tetrio account'

[untold parrot]

🤔

[tropic thicket]

ok...

[crimson wren]

lmao

[torpid knoll]

I remember someone asking for bronze to platinum ranks and it will make the rankings much cleaner

Like bronze 2 will be all D-C- ranks (since the differences are super low) and bronze 1 will be C-C+ ranks and then there is iron 2-1 (A- to A+ ranks) Gold (S- to SS Ranks) and platinum are for U and X ranks

Gold will have 3 divisions since the skill differences are alot

[elder kettle]

I dunno i'd have 2 divisions for SS alone. Low SS players struggle against high SS.

Hell, even mid SS don't get it easy

[crimson wren]

What about U and X then

They struggle even more

[elder kettle]

That's basically my whole point way up in the thread. higher ranks are far too heavily compressed

if someone far into a rank can wipe the floor with someone not too far into said rank, said rank isn't a good distinction of skill.

with the opposite ofc being that if two players of a different rank can have an equal match, are two ranks really needed to distinguish skill levels?

[untold parrot]

if you guys complained about the ranks being off
get t+ and change it there (that is if you dont want to add or remove a existing rank cutoff)

[ebon blade]

My B ranks DD:

[torpid knoll]

Guess silver 1-2 is B- to B+

[neon igloo]

what about uh

q rank

questionable whether you are even human

[lament ingot]

What if we just nuke ranks and just have a number

[brisk narwhal]

thats what im sayin

go the osu route

[tepid grove]

Just have 5 ranks C B A S X

Sounds simpler

[brisk narwhal]

ew

[dim osprey]

Your tetra league win/loss ratio is your rating 🧌

wrong emoji lmaooo

[hoary briar]

that is bad i . veto this idea

i play osu and the number becomes arbitrary

[untold parrot]

NOT this pp route

[tepid grove]

ahh yes the best player is now a random d mf who played two games

[dim osprey]

:woah:

[neat vessel]

oh yeah, totally

either way i feel like this suggestion is between controversial and situational

[brisk narwhal]

so does x rank

[tropic thicket]

but uk

i think we should have a rank with the tetr.io logo

like this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats da point

when u will not see it on ur profile

so y dont make it a rank that is higher than X

[crimson wren]

Should belong to osk and him only

[digital axle]

rank

[tepid grove]

rank

[dry sluice]

is this design official

the percentiles are cursedd

[digital axle]

it's not

[dry sluice]

you guys literally have emotes for every rank transformation

that's 153 emotes

[digital axle]

nah i don't lol

usually just adjacent ranks

[brisk narwhal]

> whats your tetrio rank?
> tetrio
> yeah tetrio
> no like tetrio rank
> yeah? i mean tetrio rank
> no i mean im tetrio in tetrio

[crimson wren]

Lmao

[abstract kettle]

make them t i o s z j l ranks

so people with l rank feel especially sad

[trail galleon]

I would suggest remove + and - for ranks under S

So it goes D C B A S- S S+ SS U X

[plain roost]

why are there 55 people in this feature request and my april fools idea is still somehow relevant

[tropic thicket]

OH u make that? i love it tho

[tropic thicket]

nah

i think we should make this higher than X other than making it for no ranker

[tepid grove]

Nah blaarg bout to become tetr rank

[tropic thicket]

but it look good

like when u get the tetr.io logo

[tepid grove]

I know, but what percentile would it be

[plain roost]

unranked is also Z rank

[tepid grove]

Z ranks lmao

[plain roost]

like the "?"

[tepid grove]

? Only appears when you have a tr

What if tetr rank is during your first ten matches

[plain roost]

Here is your proof

as you can see, I have 171 rd

wait 171???

[digital axle]

yeah the API responds Z rank if you're still in your placement games

in fact it does it even if you haven't played any TL at all

[plain roost]

then wtf is anons

anons?

[digital axle]

same

[brisk narwhal]

no, i would rather have the x

[reef tartan]

New server, zaps secret rank transformation server

[digital axle]

you're in it lol

[reef tartan]

No, ANOTHER server for them

[tropic thicket]

...

come one guys im the one that come up with this idea bro

[reef tartan]

Yeah so?

We're expending on it

[brisk narwhal]

bruh if its your idea and you dont want people using it just keep it to yourself

what do you think youre going to benefit from by saying this

[tropic thicket]

bruh i tot u guy like dump me bro chill lah

[neat vessel]

z

[tropic thicket]

huh

[neon igloo]

yes, it is your idea, but surely you don’t mind other people building on your idea if it rewards us as a community, right?

[neon igloo]

the whole point of throwing ideas out there is that people can collaborate and help make them better

[tropic thicket]

but i tot u guys not gonna do anything abt it?

[neon igloo]

if you don’t mind my saying so, it’s kinda unreasonable to expect that every suggestion you make will be accepted

it’s still the feature request channel

[tropic thicket]

ok can just stop

[trail galleon]

How is that related to my suggestion..?

[tropic thicket]

i mean the tetr.io logo

[violet ore]

W+ 79.999 pps range 5.19-4.99 apm range 403.12 - 390.59
WW 64.502 pps range 4.79- 4.59 apm range 360.52- 330.74
W- 59.582 pps range 4.30- 4.14 apm range 310.41- 290
LL 54.100
L+ 49.163
L-45.271
II 39.381
I+ 35.571
I- 31.291
XX 26.791
X+ 25.000
X-24.100

gg

i put in rest of information later

[violet ore]

gn

[stark trench]

Imo F is bad, because it carries the connotation of "failing" at the game, like falling below a specific pass threshold. (Which btw, what would the pass threshold be for?)

E would be better, it is officially used in some places AFAIK.

[stark trench]

This is not unranked, this is the whole ranked playerbase combined.

Also if anything, the highest rank should correspond to top 10 or lower imo, just for the distinction, but that is already done by displaying the numeric rank of the top 100 in that special way.

So we could just include the players' top numeric ranks (for top 100) alongside the regular top ranks.

[stark trench]

And don't the +/- symbols kinda work like divisions already, like carrying the same meaning?

[digital axle]

sure, but then they stop existing at SS rank which makes zero sense

[stark trench]

Do they have to?

But if we do that for SS, say. SS spans the same percentile range as S+, so we would suddenly have a 3x range shrink from S+ to the hypothetical SS-.

[digital axle]

the point is U rank → X rank is a huge hop, but B- and B ranked players are practically identical—the rank difference doesn't make sense at lower ranks

but a hypothetical rank and rank would be a lot more easily compared

[stark trench]

Well yes, it's just that the percentiles would have to be moved around to even out the rank ranges.

[whole torrent]

Dear god we do NOT need 29 ranks

[trail galleon]

why not

X - top 5%

U - top 11% or whatever it is

SS

S+

S-

A

B

C

D

actually abolish D there's no difference between D rank and C+

[reef tartan]

Death

[elder kettle]

Imo a good ranking system covers two roles (which tend to go hand in hand with each other):

1. A player should be able to determine the rough skill of an opponent based on a quick glance at their rank.

2. Two players of the same rank should be able to have a decent match against each other.

Our current system already shows issues with the highest three ranks due to the massive variance in skill between the low and high ends. The system you suggested only exacerbates that issue.

[reef tartan]

Based replu

[trail galleon]

actually you raise a good point there

[glossy pebble]

ranks
Ranked - Top 100%

[untold parrot]

just make the percentile range bigger

[cloud turtle]

nice rank art tbh

the colors actually have a nice progression, they look cooler

as it goes up

[untold parrot]

its a rainbow

[formal vine]

I agree
Honestly I think higher ranks should have more division, and lower ranks should have none.
There's less difference between C- and A+ than X to high X

Although I do see how lower ranks need it more to feel progress

[ebon blade]

So just more division with higher ranks and no need to touch the lower ranks?

It does feel a bit too many ranks tho

[magic pewter]

Some lower ranks are literally just 1 apm diff or .1 pps diff

they can be somewhat consolidated kinda

though idk how that would effect the progression experience which should be considered

nothing is fun about being stuck longer at a low rank if you play for a while

[long badger]

I think just focus on higher ranks

I feel like anything more than 10% cutoffs for lower ranks is gonna be a lot for new players

especially with how little u gain at bottom ranks

[reef tartan]

Not really

You gain more at the bottom than the top

[long badger]

Still very little compared to most ranks

So if u make the bottom rank 0-20th percentile or smth similar it’s gonna be demotivating

[ebon blade]

So would you need to change the glicko to tr curve to make the bottom ranks more equal in a sense

[untold parrot]

[digital axle]

(https://discord.com/channels/673303546107658242/1181993431728394301)

[warm linden]

My idea:

• Consolidate D, C and B ranks
• Potentially merging A- into A as well
• Add a Glicko and top player based subdivision system; the top player is in subdivision 0, and for every even arbitrary amount of Glicko lower than the top, rounded down, the subdivision number increments by 1. The subdivision is displayed for X, U and potentially SS rank but hidden for all else.
• Alternatively, display Glicko instead of TR for U and X, with TR relegated as a secondary rank stat

The resulting rank spectrum:
D < C < B < A < A+ < S- < S < S+ < SS < U21 < U20 < ... < U17 < X17 < X16 < ... < X0

[reef tartan]

Wanna visualise?

[warm linden]

Examples using the state as of around Dec 7 2023 12:00 UTC, with the subdivision constant s being 100:

• The Glicko of czsmall0402 (X) is 4366.45±88.99. As he is the top player, cz's subdivision rank is floor((4366.45 - 4366.45) / s) = floor(0 / 100) = 0, and his rank would be X0.

• The Glicko of Doremy (X) is 3675.94±67.10. His subdivision rank is the the top player's Glicko rating subtracted from his own Glicko, divided by 100 and rounded down. Thus, his subdivision rank is floor((4366.45 - 3675.94) / s) = floor(690.51 / 100) = floor(6.9051) = 6, so his rank would be X6.

• The Glicko of Kuroshiki, currently the lowest ranked X player, is 2644.64±61.25. His subdivision rank is floor((4366.45 - 2644.64) / s) = floor(1721.81 / 100) = floor(17.2181) = 17, so his rank would be X17.

• The Glicko of Izzy (U) is 2568.93±62.83. His subdivision rank is floor((4366.45 - 2568.93) / s) = floor(1797.52 / 100) = floor(17.9752) = 17, so his rank would be U17. Note that the best U rank's Glicko is not used in the subdivision calculations and thus U17 is the highest subrank of U.

• The SS rank with the highest TR is currently Toadidy, whose Glicko is 2193.98±60.66. Their subdivision rank is floor((4366.45 - 2193.98) / s) = floor(2172.47 / 100) = 21. If subdivision would be displayed for SS, their rank would become SS21. As SS's subdivision currently only ranges from 23 to 21 however, it might not be necessary to display the subdivision of SS.

[warm linden]

Speaking of Glicko - maybe we can replace the precentage cutoffs with Glicko cutoffs?

[reef tartan]

nah

percentage is simple and always stays the same

and it stops ranks from overflowing

[elder kettle]

% based ranks are a nice way of denoting what players are what though it would feel better if the ranks were actual metrics people would work towards (like if the ranks were instead top 1, 5, 10, 25% etc

Close to what they already are yet it just evens things out a touch

[brave hazel]

How about this
Unranked (the ? rank)
Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Diamond with 3-5 Divisions (worst is I, best is V [or III if 3 divisions])
Master-
Master
Master+
Grandmaster-
Grandmaster
Grandmaster+

[idle stream]

• and - for non-grade ranks just doesnt feel right

[robust monolith]

remove the -, + is okay

[dim vessel]

+/- just feels, off

[rapid vault]

The ss ranks are just the middle child then

[dim vessel]

We have sooo many ranks as of now that it doesn't really seem feasible to add in more

[tranquil citrus]

i agree guys

[dim vessel]

To what lol

[digital axle]

yeah fellas, i agree with The Statement

[dim vessel]

https://www.housepetscomic.com/comic/2011/09/30/talking-points/ Vibes

[keen helm]

i disagree with the agreements

[hushed star]

17 in fact

[keen helm]

I like the ranks, but we should add divisions in U and X (U-, U, U+), and same for X

and maybe remove SS because whats special about S (so turn SS into U-)

XX could be special, where its the top 50/100, anyone below that is X+

[crystal glacier]

a rank just for windowsfan2009

[idle stream]

that guy says some strange stuff

[dim vessel]

Divisions just

Overcomplicates things for how many players tetrio even has

50kish ranked players divided into 17 divisions just

Doesn't work well

[robust monolith]

why is this thread still alive

[digital axle]

that's a funny question

[indigo stag]

the story is likely even funnier

so osk and ICLY walked into a bar....

[distant monolith]

my entire tl record would disagree

[distant monolith]

d rank basically means you're new and/or haven't improved at tl too much (like me)

[indigo stag]

Honestly I'd feel a bit less down about being iron or bronze than I would be at having a letter grade of D

Could always use distinct names too. PPT uses rank names that suit the game

[terse gale]

D rank is the definition of playing tl immediately after reaching lv10 without spending enough time actually improving in solo

[distant monolith]

Me, having reached level 90+ and still being low d rank:

[dim vessel]

Going by that logic

Stqrm should be the number 1 player

[digital axle]

they are though (at XP)

[dim vessel]

But guess what?

He's hardstuck U rank

I mean technicalities aside

There's a good reason why there are separate leaderboards for level and ranked tr

I admire the confidence by reacting with though

Aight to put it in another way, level basically indicates how much you play this game

And ranked tr is essentially a way to indicate an approximate skill level

[indigo stag]

it rather depends on how much prior experience you have with these games

[stark trench]

And he's not the only one! Just look at the other top XP players' ranks, especially S0fa's.

[keen helm]

and whats wrong with this

not everyone cares about being X

[indigo stag]

the point of a ranked mode is to see how you stack up, it doesn't mean you're specifically trying to be #.1

[worn nimbus]

#1227570192066936874 (3 messages) was moved here.

[rapid vault]

Kagari

[cerulean sigil]

ratio

[crystal glacier]

the guys wants XXX lol

[worn nimbus]

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[paper sun]

real

[tawdry frigate]

br

[digital axle]

i know i'm bypassing the request to make the maximum 50,000TR but honestly these are all empty requests

[untold parrot]

we should make it 1,001,000 tr

[reef tartan]

but whats the need for 50k

it'd just be the same again

[hushed star]

It wouldn’t really help with like, any general states of the game… it’d just scale everything and only really prevent the multiple people within the same tr at the very peak of the leaderboard, and then again glicko exists

[stark trench]

Not saying we should change it, but why did we go with 25000 in the first place?

[reef tartan]

It's arbitrary I believe

[dim vessel]

It's just a number

No specific reason really

[digital axle]

small enough for legibility, nice and round

[tawdry frigate]

it should go to 1

so

0.001 is D rank

[digital axle]

we should just use percentile

[tawdry frigate]

while 0.99 is X totally

[indigo stag]

I mean don't you pretty much do that already? each rank corresponds to a percentile

[digital axle]

i mean like

[paper sun]

there should be mods that change it to this lmao

[reef tartan]

That looks a lot better than I thought it would

@spiral haven for verge when

[stark trench]

Isn't that kinda achievable with displaying the current global rank (which we already have) and the total number of ranked players?

[digital axle]

yeah but who's gonna remember the latter

[indigo stag]

oh you mean instead of TR

[indigo stag]

tbh if I look at that it feels like a bigger accomplishment than the abritrary number lol

[blazing anchor]

This is gonna be a new season

[worn nimbus]

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[paper sun]

yet another

[feral yacht]

How come only s rank has a ss variation and ss, u, and X have no + or - ranks? I want to be xx- rank

[neat vessel]

ah yes

more ranks solves problems

[feral yacht]

No rank should have more than 15 players imo

We need more ranks!!!

[indigo stag]

SS U X could have easily been called X - X and X+

they just wanted them to sound cooler... I guess?

I suppose the reason they aren't grouped like the other ranks is there's more variance between the bottom and top of that range

[digital axle]

honestly i see it as more of an oversight than anything else

[stark trench]

Now that I think of it, if I were to make a similar rank system, all ranks except the highest would have +/- partitions.

So like after S+ could be U- U U+ X- X X+ XX.

But then again, I understand the point of reducing the number of ranks in the mid to low range (say up to S-ish).

[elder kettle]

The two things I've always thought about the would be:

1. Does this rank accurately represent the person's skill level? If I pit two people of the same rank against each other, would it be a fair matchup?

2. If the amount of ranks on the lower end were reduced, would it demoralise lower-skilled players due to them seeing less merit along their journey?

I'll use LoL as an example not only as it's a popular competitive game yet also because it's a system I know:

Doing a comparison on the bottom 50% of players, LoL has approx 12 ranks to fit half of their playerbase in (the four divisions for the Iron, Bronze and Silver ranks) whereas TETR.IO only has approx 10 (D rank to high A.) this would mean that lower-skilled players would likely see a similar amount of "accomplishment" whilst climbing through the ranks although the accuracy of these ranks' skill levels may be up for debate.

At the highest percentile (X rank), we see a massive discrepancy in skill where the lower X ranked players would get absolutely demolished by highest in the same tier. This is despite X rank only covering about 1.2% of the TR range. LoL on the other hand has approx 4 ranks spanning the top percentile (Diamond 1, Master, Grandmaster and Challenger) which allows a far greater distinction between top-ranking players and those who may be taking podium spots in major events.

[tawdry frigate]

tetrio does have the #100-#1

[graceful bronze]

there should be sub letters under x showing the rank

and its only for top 50 tho

[haughty isle]

being X_D would make you feel like fake X
(which maybe is true)

number grade would feel better imo

like tgm

[brave hazel]

Where to get the extra rank emojis and icons?

[indigo stag]

the flaw in making a comparison with LoL is their ranks aren't based directly on a rating system like that of TETR.IO

those ranks don't directly line up with a percentile like T.IO's do

LoL"s system is designed to favor making the player feel like they're making progress so it's biased a little bit towards promoting the player

[elder kettle]

yes and no. LoL uses a hidden matchmaking rating that has a direct impact on how hard your wins/losses swing your visible gains.

Back in the older seasons they directly used ELO yet that has been swept under the rug a little

[indigo stag]

You can get into say diamond on a big win streak but your MMR that isn't shown is still lower than the normal range

[elder kettle]

it's usually the opposite. if you go on a big win streak your MMR will actually get ahead of your rank.

so you'll end up in a situation where you're being pit vs diamond ranks whilst still visibly being in gold

[indigo stag]

the main point though is you can't precisely say someone in Silver 3 is this percentile and someone in plat 2 is in that percentile

whereas the ranks in tetr.io are straight up percentile cutoffs

[elder kettle]

Wonky cut-offs, yet still. With all the data you can get off of the LoL API you can get rough data on where each rank lies though

Just as an example, here's some data gathered about a month ago from esportstales showing the cumulative pertentile of each rank:

As I used in the example above, Diamond 1 is the top 0.96% of players. Which I compared to X as it's pretty much the mark of the top 1%

I also know that Riot does actively work to make each rank represent a specific percentile of the playerbase to make it something to achieve (Like how the first Diamond rank is approx top 5% or how the first Gold rank is approx top 50%)

[indigo stag]

there's also the issue with traditional rating systems not being very good at assessing performance in a group setting

elo/glicko etc were designed for one vs one

(or one team vs one team, rather than multiple individual ratings vs multiple individual ratings)

[elder kettle]

That would be correct in an isolated instance, though over a long period of time it still works fine (and even ELO itself it rather useless without a large amount of data; as the NES community learned.)

[gusty arrow]

While adding too many ranks might not be a good idea, I feel like the skill range within U and X ranks are quite big compared to other ranks

[dusty mango]

Where are all these rank emotes-

[digital axle]

[dusty mango]

WHERE

I WANT THESE

[dusty mango]

Where are all these emotes

[digital axle]

dam, left the server

[dusty mango]

I need the w rank. :(

[paper sun]

@dusty mango

[dusty mango]

:D

Yey

[graceful bronze]

guys how about we just don't do ranking so x ranks can go against b ranks

[elder kettle]

That's called Quick Pla- oh wait.

[ruby swallow]

I think ranks should be a higher density at the top of the skill tier. Also prune D rank.

F: Optional rank. Anyone can call themselves F rank if they want.
C: 100%
C+: 90%
B-: 80%
B: 70%
B+: 60%
A-: 50%
A: 40%
A+: 30%
S-: 25%
S: 20%
S+: 15%
SS: 10%
U-: 7%
U: 5%
U+: 3%
UU: 2%
X-: 1%
X: 0.5%
X+: 0.2%
XX: 0.1%
D: 0.004%

D stands for “Diao rank” and requires 24999+ TR

[carmine steeple]

Missed chance to call UU rankUWU rank /s

[digital axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/847028170963157012.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[carmine steeple]

Of course you have an image for that

[digital axle]

i didn't make it

[carmine steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[cerulean sigil]

i say SS as "double S" so this would wreak havoc on my ability to communicate

"double U rank? they made a W rank??"

[stark trench]

TAWS tournament staffers:

[austere sparrow]

dont add ranks above x 🥺 let me impress people by saying im the highest rank in the game

[ruby swallow]

But there’s a difference between low X and high X. Climbing that is like climbing 20 D to U mountains

So how about:
XD: Top 1%
XC: Top 0.5%
XB: Top 0.2%
XA: Top 0.1%
XS: Top 0.05%
XU: Top 0.02%
XX: Top 0.01%

But I wonder, what exactly should XX be?

And why is there even an ultima X for #1?

[blazing anchor]

Man, should have P rank after SS rank.

[blazing anchor]

Maybe raise the rank by filling the bar when it's full.

Like Splatoon or F zero

There have D C B A S

The highest ranks will have number

SS 1-5
P 1-7
U 1-9

X rank will be keep on going

Rank promotion when you reached amount of points.

For D - B+ : 250

A- - S+ : 300

SS1 - SS5 : 400

P1 - P3: 450

P4 - P7 : 500

U1 - U4 : 600

U5 - U9 : 700

The battle must be balanced. The ranks must be same between player and opponent.

Like rank P3 VS P3

Sometimes opponent's higher than one rank when you almost promotion. Like more than 85% of amount of points.

[blazing anchor]

If amount of points is less than 15%, your opponent is less than one rank sometimes.

[primal peak]

current rank system doesn't account for insane scaling at high tr levels
like, D to U is almost the same as low X to high X (i might be wrong)
tr is also weh, like you only get decimals for just a single match at high X but get like +1000 when winning at D, probably cause of how tr works though

[stark trench]

The biggest change per match is around 12500 TR. D ranks have the same changes as mid-high U.

[frigid comet]

Yea also wdym doesn’t account for

Ranks are based on percentiles

[primal peak]

ah i see

[autumn pollen]

man i cant wait to get my ASS rank

[indigo stag]

this system is extremely biased towards increasing rank

which is wh y those games have a stupid number of ranks, and really what happens is higher level players reach higher ranks faster

but basically everyone progresses over time, making the system extremely top heavy

[graceful bronze]

how about

D
C
B
A
S
SS
U
X
D+
C+

or its like a triangle

and I think d rank looks better so we should replace x and d rank

[thin geode]

what

[ruby swallow]

C: Top 100%
B: Top 75%
A: Top 50%
S-: Top 25%
S: Top 20%
S+: Top 15%
SS: Top 10%
U-: Top 6%
U: Top 4%
U+: Top 2%
X: Top 1%
XC: Top 0.5%
XB: Top 0.2%
XA: Top 0.1%
XS: Top 0.05%
XU: Top 0.02%
XX: Top 0.01%
D: Reserved for #1

[rustic plaza]

What about a triangle symbol, like osk and his staff for #1

[digital axle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombus

[dim vessel]

I feel like we're emphasising on adding more and more ranks

When the problem (in my opinion) is the gap between the averages of ranks being too miniscule

Taken from a >tetoranks that ran a month or so ago

2-6 Apm for anything S- and below is... barely any different lol

The stat increase between ranks seems to be like an exponential

[rustic plaza]

Shi, my bad bro

[graceful bronze]

guys how about we just keep the ranking the same cuz there is no reason to change it

[whole torrent]

*Splatoon 2

Splatoon 1/3 use different systems

[stark trench]

Ain't that the most recent >tetoranks?

[autumn pollen]

from what i remember, you could get from the bottom of a rank to the top in roughly 10 wins, but for U/X its way more

good chance im off on that but if any ranks are to be added, they should be where going up/down ranks take way longer

[glossy notch]

It would make more sense to drop the + and - versions of each rank. This way D, C, B, A, and S are all squished together making the gap between ranks much more significant.

Despite the fact a lot of games can get away with many ranks TETRIO is too small for a bunch of ranks. Plus in the future as TETRIO gets larger a division system could be introduced to help break up the ranks a bit.

[ruby swallow]

What if TETRIO becomes a huge game with 25 million active league players and 1000 of them have TR above 24999

[glossy notch]

Highly unlikely as 25 million people there is no chance that everyone will be X rank. The rank spread will balance TR

[ruby swallow]

If there are 25 million players, there are 1000 players at a given integer TR level

So we should expect 250,000 X ranks

[glossy notch]

X rank is roughly 1.3% of players

So realistically at 25m there would be ~325000

[glossy notch]

This is assuming that all new players are evenly distributed between ranks as this references

So, there are still 24675000 people below in this scenario

Now if we combine all of the players in each rank (so B- + B + B+)

[ruby swallow]

There would be millions in a single rank…

[glossy notch]

23% of people are in the B ranks

So that's like

5750000 people

[digital axle]

one rank for each person

[ruby swallow]

What exact purpose are ranks trying to achieve

[glossy notch]

Ranked systems are meant to show how you perform globally.

Higher rank = better player (typically, if you exclude smurfs)

[ruby swallow]

So I think there should be a ton or little ranks

[glossy notch]

I think very few makes more sense

[ruby swallow]

Not like there are significant differences between D and A rank

[digital axle]

ok that's a stretch lol

[glossy notch]

Just like how in overwatch there isn't much of a difference between bronze and silver
fortnite with bronze and silver

[digital axle]

D ranks can't beat 40 lines consistently

[glossy notch]

Like the low ranks don't seem like there's a big gap, but in reality with such low skill levels every difference is a huge difference

[ruby swallow]

If you measure by APM, the APM difference is not that much compared to the APM difference of Diao and CZ.

At least absolute terms

[glossy notch]

APM isn't evrything and you can't just go off of that. You can tank a bunch and send nothing. You're still alive but your apm is low.

[ruby swallow]

Should use VS score. But still. The values grow exponentially with higher ranks

[glossy notch]

You can still win with lower vs

You'd need to pick a specific player and jusdge based off EVERY skill

[digital axle]

well yes i would consider 1.6APM to be a significant difference to ~32APM

[glossy notch]

You can feel the difference between 20 apm and 25 apm despite both of them being fairly low

[digital axle]

i mean i'm not an advocate for every low rank having eight variants but this is still woefully inaccurate and kind of offensive lol

[glossy notch]

Yeah

Plus being C-, B-, A-, S- seems weird

Like oh yeah you're worse than those above you avan if you fit in there

[ruby swallow]

Ok. Sorry about that. Just get rid of D rank. It is too demotivating

[graceful bronze]

Guys!!!

original idea

Bronze (I, II, III)
Silver (I, II, III)
Gold (I, II, III)
Platinum (I, II, III)
Diamond (I, II, III)
Elite.
Champion.
Unreal.

Crafting ranks necessitates an immense investment of effort and intellectual rigor. I immerse myself in exhaustive research, meticulous analysis, and iterative refinement to ensure each rank is both equitable and precise. My unwavering dedication compels me to continuously recalibrate and enhance the ranks, ensuring they remain both pertinent and robust.

[hushed star]

why is that such a GPT type response

[graceful bronze]

they are catching on

[graceful bronze]

wow It sounds like you put a lot of heart and hard work into creating rankings. You dive deep into research, analyze things carefully, and keep refining your approach to make sure everything is fair and accurate. Your commitment to continuously improving the ranks shows just how dedicated you are to making sure they stay relevant and reliable. It’s impressive to see such passion for getting things right! Is there a specific area you're focusing on with these rankings?

[tiny furnace]

can we keep the same ranks but change percentiles so we get more division at the top level and less at the lower levels

[graceful bronze]

i think difference between c and d is rlly big tho

[ruby swallow]

The extremes always have heavy tails

S = Super
SS = Super Super
U = Ultra
X = X

[elder kettle]

It's not much, yet at the lower end of the ranks just a slight increase is enough to give players a huge edge against their opponents.

I'd say below A rank even just the ability to not make as many holes is enough to decide a win

I'd say comparing each rank at the lower end would show some lines being blurred yet it could also be a good thing to have "too many" ranks at that point as it encourages people to keep trying. Which is important when someone is new to a game.

[reef tartan]

i expect the ranks to change based on the achievement tiers

maybe with - and + respectively

[blazing anchor]

S is satisfactory

[reef tartan]

satisfactory <3

[thin geode]

this was 58 months ago tho

[digital axle]

[graceful bronze]

oh my gyat bro i feel old now

[rose bluff]

💀

[ruby swallow]

New Ranks (joke):

X = Extremely bad
U = Underperforming
SS = Sub-satisfactory
S = Satisfactory
A = Awesome
B = Better than Awesome
C = Crazy good
D = Diao level

[graceful bronze]

Diao is incredibly good at the game due to his insane vision and his consistency. Diao can keep up 4.5 even 5 pps for such a long time especially during lst moment. And his downstack is still very fast, even if it's not as efficient as other people.

Diao has the power to burst at basically anytime he wants, and he can make use of any piece on the board.

[lunar herald]

[ruby swallow]

I feel like D rank is too discouraging for players. We should make the lowest rank C in season 2.

[digital axle]

i feel like we should ask the D ranks if this is the case first

[ruby swallow]

One thing is if we do this, in Season 3, we get rid of C rank since it will be the lowest rank

And in Season 8, everyone will be ❌ rank

[elder kettle]

Is it just me or is 90% of the conversation in here basically shitposting at this point lol

[digital axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/396705147172028430/985812571238068224/orly_overflow.gif

(also this suggestion is just https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVlzBHqTnic )

i should pin this

[ruby swallow]

But actually, I think we should get rid of D rank. We should simplify and have C be the bottom quartile, B be the next, and A is the third quartile. And each rank gets subdivided into three -/0/+ equally

[whole torrent]

I’m used to E being “bad” since I play Sonic an all that: is very bad

[stark trench]

I don't think that's the reason they don't use E. Some systems actually do.

It's just that the passing grades were given A-D and the F stands for "fail".

[cerulean sigil]

new rank idea

X+

there'll be no X- because i don't want too much division

[digital axle]

no i think we should have gnorpy rank

[cerulean sigil]

but X+ will be for like really really good peiple

[digital axle]

gnorpy rank is for stinky people

[cerulean sigil]

like top 0.2% or something

maybe the design can look something like

[cerulean sigil]

looking into this 🎯

[digital axle]

Crazy

same day lol

[pine frost]

we did actually get a tl rank update :x+:

[blazing anchor]

Hmm... Should have an effect when you promoted

Like glowing light when you are promote to D-A+

Fliping rank and glowing light when you are promoted to S-SS

U-X+ are fliping and smashing to break the last rank

[rustic plaza]

Should been a ZaptorZap rank

With a cat icon

[blazing anchor]

X+ is just like Super X

[cerulean sigil]

(in the rhythm of SUPERHOT) SUPER X SUPER X SUPER X

[pine frost]

"super x super x super x super x" and then you start abbreviating it (regret)

[somber pelican]

For season 3, I think these would be the ranks:

FT3

• C - top 100%
• B - top 70%
• A - top 45%

FT5

• S - top 27%
• SS - top 12%
• SS+ - top 8.6%

FT 7

• U - top 5%
• U+ - top 3.2%
• X - top 1%
• X+ - top 0.2%

Provided we still stick to the letter ranks, that is

[magic pewter]

X+ and maybe x should be more than ft7

[digital axle]

seriously? if you think so this isn't the thread to suggest that idea

[magic pewter]

opps mb, didnt bother scrolling all the way up to see the OP, just thought it was about TL ranks in general

[digital axle]

[magic pewter]

actually . . . its in there

but i more or less see its more about rank names themselves

[blazing anchor]

Season 3 will coming in 2028 I guess

[digital axle]

well either way it isn't serious and i don't think any good ideas have actually came from this post

[glass raptor]

TL's matchmaking should also get updated

[ruby swallow]

I don't like U- and X-. It doesn't feel like the minus goes well with the "high rank U/X"

I like the current ranking system as it in. We can always add more ranks later

[whole torrent]

“Interesting interesting interesting”

[digital axle]

🔍 looking into it

[whole torrent]

Is that an “XXX” rank?

[digital axle]

no, XXXX rank

[whole torrent]

No sex rank

Yes, I do have intrusive thoughts

[digital axle]

is it even intrusive if it's the only logical conclusion

[whole torrent]

“Top 10 ranks too raunchy for TTC”

[small rock]

Tetrio chromosome ranks update

[blazing anchor]

Super X or X+

Mega X

Ultra X

Hyper X

Giga X

I'd like to add prefixes rank

[whole torrent]

I wonder: should and be combined?

Or any of the super low ranks?

[haughty isle]

d- rank which is only given to the worst 0.2%

[blazing anchor]

Even F rank is the lowest.

[small rock]

Not if you add g rank