game-discussion

[hallow cosmos]

Theyre

Air-crafts

[obsidian oriole]

And torpedo bombers make skimming approaches

[wheat cobalt]

lesson learned from bombing sushi

[ancient monolith]

yamato never used her main guns in battle, only her AA and secondaries

that's the sad part

[livid bridge]

garbage ship vs good ship

[hallow cosmos]

They did fire some type 3s

[obsidian oriole]

She did

[livid bridge]

the Nurnberg was even stock

[hallow cosmos]

Gawdamn

[obsidian oriole]

They loaded type 3 shells and were trying to use them against planes

[ancient monolith]

haha

did they hit anything?

[obsidian oriole]

No

[hallow cosmos]

No

[ancient monolith]

yeah well, with her traverse speed, she couldn't even have hit a zeppelin

[obsidian oriole]

Type 3 shells are basically giant shotgun shells. The 460s either under or overshot

[hallow cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/henry-danger-computer-gif-gif-7628543750344360850

[obsidian oriole]

US pilots remarked that they just looked like a firework show

[bronze flame]

Denancues

[undone mesa]

luckiest i've ever gotten in a t9 tech tree probably

[ancient monolith]

so when do we get new T10 ships?

like T10 BBs?

[steel pier]

doubt, they are slow AF

[ancient monolith]

a T10 valpa?

[steel pier]

had the best salt session ever in Asym. it was hilarious

[dusk dagger]

When do we get T10 BBL's

[steel pier]

and the best fact, he in his Smolensk performed so bad, lower rank them my Moskva

[ancient monolith]

what could be the next gimmick though? Cause now T10s come with gimmicks

manual AA?

[obsidian oriole]

We are not getting anything Latina for awhile

[steel pier]

well, the upcoming italian sub comes not only with smoke, but also deck gun hits trigger an F key, which activates auto and makes ship go faster and torpedo reload less

[ancient monolith]

so maybe the next T10 BB is like in one year or so

I'll have to be content with sibir lauria and colombo then

I wish there was more choice of T10 BB coal ships

kurfurst is still the only one

[livid bridge]

neat, 2 games, 1 red 1 blue booster

Nurnberg regrinded

both nurnberg games resulted in more damage than bismark41 lmao

[steel pier]

geezus, Moskva just cit an Enigheten

[grim portal]

Yeah that things armor is not great

[steel pier]

but Moskva is one helluva nice CA

[real meadow]

every time i go into colbert game my game decides that it doesnt work anymore so my leaderboard spots dropping 😭

i tried after patchday

it froze

gg

i tried 20mins ago it froze again

has to be related to the boat there is no way

[white shale]

launch in safe mode

[real meadow]

i did I was put in port

so yh its jover

[white shale]

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-pouring-alcohol-respect-gif-9283896756814937503

[white shale]

is it every game mode in colbert?

[real meadow]

i had the game reinstalled after the first incident

and played coop with it since i was sentenced there cuz of afk

then i havent played it since

played like most of my tier 10s since or something and no issues

now i play 1 game in the ship the screen freezes and gg

[white shale]

did you check bug reports to see if anyone else is having same issue?

[real meadow]

yeah at the beginning of patch some people did

but im just not gonna use mods and not play mostly

I have exams anyway

maybe next patch 🙏

[livid bridge]

Yorck gaming 🥹

[tawdry turret]

morni

[steel pier]

evenin

[brisk fulcrum]

What are the best cruisers for ops at t7-8 now

[livid bridge]

cant go wrong with Yorck/Hipper

depends tbh, we premiuming or just techtree

[grim portal]

with the hp flag kron has 75k hp lmfao

[steel pier]

if you like SAP, Gorizia is also a choice

both her normal form, aswell as the AL Gorizia

[livid bridge]

the torps spam of the german line is preety gud supplement

[brisk fulcrum]

Any that now have a heal compared to before

[livid bridge]

well, Yorck Hipper

or ig Weimar/Munchen/Mainz for same thing but more dpm less big gun

I am not sure I had a sub 2k bxp game in yorck yet in my recent regrinds

propably could've been more if I wasn't just sending it cuz heal funni

[steel pier]

most of them, who had no heal before got one now. among them also Tokachi, AL Montpelier, Gorizia
München and Weimar (iirc)

[livid bridge]

Harbin is preety fire, but that already had a heal

ultimately huh, idk chief, all of them vibe

[steel pier]

ontop, AL Harbin, if one wants to gamba

[livid bridge]

Numancia 🔥

oh ye Numancia prep

[tall geyser]

numancia is ugly

[livid bridge]

since spanish captain inc

[tall geyser]

i think

[livid bridge]

oh ye Nottingham might pop off since despite you getting only 2 heals

you can get SI + Cunningham proc

[analog jackal]

Numunica is goated

[livid bridge]

it it's the year of the croozer all of them are goated

Cleveland sweep still ofc

[analog jackal]

bridgeport feels lacking ever since balti and wichita got heals

[ashen kettle]

Trying out Breman in Co-op to get a feel for it, know this is not the best damage stats anyone got some good tips, this thing is a damn good HE spitter. Will play randoms sooon before moving onto ranked eventually

[topaz coyote]

Bridgeport is awsum

[analog jackal]

its okay

for 80 seconds its the most goated tier 8 cruiser

for the rest of the game tho

[topaz coyote]

You get to feel like a pseudo DM #

[livid bridge]

yeh that 80s plus the buffs you can get now ig

much better for PVP compared to ops

which are on avarege like 15min

[analog jackal]

baltimore is so much better

[topaz coyote]

ye

[analog jackal]

if bridgeport didnt have nerfed shells

it would be wicked

[ashen kettle]

Also have they added new maps, there was an awesome sunsent one I played today which I didn't recognize. I took a small break

[topaz coyote]

They're nerfed?

[honest silo]

Of what you guys are talking about?

[cold geyser]

no

[livid bridge]

they did 15 billion changes to the baltimore shell

to end up with baltimore shell

among

[topaz coyote]

Sunset Isles is a new one, they reworked Okinawa and Mountain Range

[livid bridge]

they do 450 less damage per shell

so preety significant like 9%

[ashen kettle]

Ohhh ok thanks, much appreciated!

[topaz coyote]

Yeah hmmge, they're standard

[white socket]

touching the marco polo was the WORST mistake of my life

that shit SUCKS ASS

eben a fucking chios can outplay it

[livid bridge]

the changes are really minor that you wonder why they were changed

[lament birch]

bridge just happens to get the "non" heavy ap damage of Wichita/new Orleans etc....-50 damage lmfao

[livid bridge]

cuz its like a single digit krupp dif

0,015 drag diff

[honest silo]

For sure tomorrow I will try to do better then today.

[warm pier]

is preussen secondary build still viable?

(usable i mean)

[topaz coyote]

Nah

[warm pier]

completely?

or just mediocre

[analog jackal]

the fire chance on bridgeport is nerfd

its like 11% or smth

[topaz coyote]

Very mediocre

You might as well play Schlieffen or Libertad, it's just so bad

Preussen either full main guns or a hybrid-ish thing

[little abyss]

why the hell would a coop match queue up with all t10 players

and randomly add 3 supershit bots

[warm pier]

can i use same build as scharn 40

43

(full secondary)

[topaz coyote]

Yea

I think the build is pretty much the same

Just know it's kinda sucky these days

[livid bridge]

to boost supership popularity ofc

[warm pier]

just mediocre?

i mean i dont like schlieffen

and libertad is a bit too disgusting

[lament birch]

i mean vs other sec cars of the same tier you are just free food

[topaz coyote]

Yea

[warm pier]

so maybe you have to play a bit like napoli?

(aggro later)

[topaz coyote]

That is how you should play them anyways yes

[steel pier]

so nice, playin Numancia now

[warm pier]

hm

[topaz coyote]

Unfortunately you are not as tanky as your armor and HP pool would lead you to assume

[warm pier]

libertad and schlieffen seem to exploit every oppourtunity they get and walk out alive

[steel pier]

just as Valpappers does 🥀

[topaz coyote]

Hardcore brawlers gonna brawl

[warm pier]

the former two require you to be careful to stay alive

i mean in scharnhorst...

in non-uptiered i still push every gap i can exploit

idk about preussen prob not

[steel pier]

sadly. all 3 are equally annoying, but do not equally heal.

[warm pier]

schlieffen i think has high skill floor & ceiling

but i main cruiser so im not sure

also next cruiser line to grind any tips pls 🙏

[austere mango]

huh ?

[warm pier]

idk i dont play bb al ot

[steel pier]

HE? then Zao could be for you

[warm pier]

any other tips?

lines wise

[honest silo]

Hey Germany.

[steel pier]

Amalfi. if you are for SAP like theirs

[warm pier]

hoi

[cunning lichen]

after the heal change for cruisers, grinding up the line feels a whole lot better than ever before

[warm pier]

is that venezia line?

[cunning lichen]

the only time you'll feel held back is when you reach T9

Ibuki is pretty meh

[steel pier]

[honest silo]

I hope tomorrow to do better in Battle.

[warm pier]

any reason to pick it over hindy?

just wondering

affects the priority of which lines first

[cunning lichen]

Grinding to Zao is infinitely better than grinding to Hindenburg

[warm pier]

pls explain

i mean i got myoko clone thingy

quite enjoyable

(that was before the heal btw)

[cunning lichen]

Even though Hinden is arguably better than Zao, the grind to Hinden is painful because of the the ships before Hinden are quite bad

[lament birch]

Perma engine broke simulator

[cunning lichen]

Zao line however has some really strong boats in the mid tiers

like Furutaka can overmatch cruisers of it's tier since it has 203mm guns

[warm pier]

nice

[cunning lichen]

Aoba and Myoko are pretty good at their tier because they have decent armor and now a heal

[honest silo]

Nice.

[warm pier]

myoko was good without heal

[cunning lichen]

Mogami got an insane buff because of the heal too. It can pump out a ton of damage with the 155mm guns and IFHE.

[warm pier]

nice

oh.

ifhe?

[ivory gale]

I sure do hope cruisers won't receive a firepower nerf due to now increased survivability

[warm pier]

ok uhhhhh

[warm pier]

so i should grind up to aoba (alr have myoko)

[ivory gale]

Cause I'll be real ships like Myoko and Mogami were quite fine in hands of cautious players

[honest silo]

I still need to improve with cruiser.

[warm pier]

very good

[cunning lichen]

You can get Zao

Still can be quite fun

[livid bridge]

T6-T8 of Hinden line is goated

T9 is ok

so idk

[cunning lichen]

Insane accuracy on the whole line

[ivory gale]

Hipper is goated?

[honest silo]

I don't know if grind Zao line one day.

[ivory gale]

I have ptsd from that thing

[warm pier]

low tiers get improved disper too?

t5-t6 of hinden line are straight up op

[cunning lichen]

Mogami can also pen 38mm with IFHE btw

[warm pier]

t7-t8 are alright

t9 is different

t10 is excellent

[steel pier]

Hipper is alright

[cunning lichen]

Also Im pretty sure the whole line received Zao's dispersion back in the day

[warm pier]

one thing about zao is low pen unfortunate.

[cunning lichen]

34mm is enough ig

[warm pier]

no 40mm :(

[livid bridge]

ye

[cunning lichen]

Mogami can reach 38mm on it's 155mm guns using IFHE but the fire chance drops to like 7% if you have demo and fire flags.

[livid bridge]

that torp spam sweep for ops

is gucci

[cunning lichen]

But

[warm pier]

i enjoyed hipper a lot

[cunning lichen]

Mogami shoots 15 shells

So you can still get fires

[warm pier]

interesting

yeah maybe ill consider zao line sometime

[ivory gale]

Every ship with 203s did, yes
Mogami-155 didn't, 203 did, but 203 still inferior my a large margin

[warm pier]

so 1. venezia 2. zao

any other recommendations pls

[livid bridge]

155 is just too annoying to play for me

[ivory gale]

I honestly don't even know what's the point of Ibuki when Mogami has a heal now

[livid bridge]

glacial turrets

garbo angles on turrets

[cunning lichen]

None

Should give Ibuki 155mm option

Oh wait

[livid bridge]

if I want to play 155 mogami I will just queue Cleve instead

[cunning lichen]

That's just Suzuya.

[livid bridge]

or Shimanto

[cunning lichen]

Why..?

[cunning lichen]

?????

[ivory gale]

Same applies to Cleveland/Seattle and Charles Martel/Saint-Louis

[livid bridge]

cuz I can't stand the glacial turrets on 155s

abysmal

[honest silo]

You guys suggest to grind Zao line?

[cunning lichen]

Cleveland nor Shimanto can pen 38mm like Mogami can nor do they have the decent shell velocity that Mogami has

[steel pier]

[livid bridge]

i dont really care about 38mm pen

[honest silo]

I'm currently grinding the Worcester line.

[warm pier]

is mogami better than mainz?

[cunning lichen]

Honestly, Mogami has more effective DPM over range than Cleveland.

[warm pier]

in oyur opinion

[livid bridge]

not like I will respec a commander randomly for ifhe

[ivory gale]

Two very different ships, one is a swift kiter capable of supporting ally destroyer, the other is island lover terrorizing destroyers with radar all on her own
You're playing operations though so I'd assume Cleveland could be just better there

[honest silo]

What you say Chanderlin and NoBrainZao?

[cunning lichen]

Mmmm, in a vacuum. If you put these two against each other then Mogami might win. It's just that Mogami has pretty bad firing angles but it has the 2nd highest HE DPM only 2nd to Cleveland by only like 9k difference

[livid bridge]

I mean yeah, the torps are a good asset but then Mogami torp angles are dogshit so if I want to also torp I will just pick Shimanto

[ivory gale]

Is ok line, Ibuki quite underwhelming, but it is what it is

[warm pier]

overall performance in randoms tho?

[ivory gale]

Yeah I only look at them from pvp perspective

[livid bridge]

speaking of, I accidentally regrinded this as well unfort

[ivory gale]

So torps are quite irrelevant outside of very niche scenarios

[livid bridge]

Yorck gameplay is great

[livid bridge]

well, I don't?

[ivory gale]

And Shimanto guns just suck compared to the goat

[cunning lichen]

Mainz can farm over islands better, Mogami does more damage and has better shell velocity as well as better torps and concealment.

[ivory gale]

I'm merely explaining myslef

[steel pier]

also, as said before. you wanne have Mogamers with her 15,5cm

[livid bridge]

I will take Shimanto's speen turrets over the glacial 155s

[warm pier]

better shell velocity?

[honest silo]

Why 155mm?

[livid bridge]

at basically any cost of dpm

[untold talon]

More fire

[cunning lichen]

Mogami has better shell velocity, yes.

[steel pier]

DPM

[honest silo]

I see and thanks.

[warm pier]

hmm

[warm pier]

so about even?

[cunning lichen]

Ehhh

[honest silo]

Ok, if the 203mm does more damage if not wrong?

[cunning lichen]

Well

I think Mogami is better

[warm pier]

hmmm

[cunning lichen]

But others are free to disagree

[warm pier]

i like that mainz can pen 38

[steel pier]

i mean, i also played Mogamers with 20,3cm guns first, then went back to 15,5cm guns

[cunning lichen]

Mogami is more punishing if you show broadside

[warm pier]

but i think it needs ifhe to pen 40...

true

[livid bridge]

oh ye Hipper trades the survivability a bit over Yorck

but you get rudder slot 5

[cunning lichen]

Mogami can just pump out a lot of damage

[hallow cosmos]

I just have to say, you guys are so much better of an community than the guys on the legends dc

[steel pier]

and after playing Mikuma in early setup in WT, i felt more comfortable with having thoose guns

[cunning lichen]

But it can be blown up

[ivory gale]

Mogami can also use heavy HE shells

[livid bridge]

quick regrind to Tier8

[honest silo]

Like her sister ship, IJN Suzuya?

[livid bridge]

I had to do a pallete clenser

after the GARBAGE that is BIs41

holy

[ivory gale]

Maybe
Sadly I don't own Suzuya

[livid bridge]

actually playing good ships for 5 games instead of that turd

feelsgud

[steel pier]

Suzuya is pretty similar. same guns, but also spams alot

comfortable cruiser

[cunning lichen]

What..?

[ivory gale]

...what?

[warm pier]

rn im running legmod full lh hindy..

[upbeat berry]

Hey
Can anyone help me? Why can’t I play Brawl. It doesn’t show in my Gamemode list. Currently I am Level 15 but I can see Tasks for Brawl.

[cunning lichen]

Heavy HE requires 149mm or lower

[livid bridge]

heavy HE is not just 155 only

[ivory gale]

Does it now?

[livid bridge]

so all can run it

well it doesn't

[cunning lichen]

If you arent going light house

[livid bridge]

it buffs all HE

just debuffs conceal for 150+

[cunning lichen]

Lighthouse Mogami

[ivory gale]

I wouldn't suggest heavy HE on Shimanto cause it's shit, on Mainz cause concealment is already depresso or on Cleveland cause concealment/radar range diff is too valuable to sacrifice

[warm pier]

me with my 17.9km hind :)

[ivory gale]

But Mogami's 10.9 km detection range always felt comfortable to me

[untold talon]

That turret traverse though 🤮 D

[livid bridge]

hmmge

I don't have heavy HE on cleve

clue

[honest silo]

I see and thanks guys and good night see you all tomorrow and have fun.

[ivory gale]

Good night Andrea

[warm pier]

so verdict is grind zao line to mogami or so?

[honest silo]

Thanks, I had quite a rought time today while doing Battle with all honesty.

[livid bridge]

oh and a random 19 pointer with 10 points speced also for cleve

[cunning lichen]

You can still get Zao. It's not a bad cruiser.

[warm pier]

btw you play hoi4 rightttt

🙏

[warm pier]

hm ok mayb

[honest silo]

As I went quite hard on myself for have done 30k damage and feeling like I wasn't helping my team.

[untold talon]

Most of the OG lines aren’t the ones people are crying foul over iirc(or any of them to be completely honest)

[honest silo]

Yeah I do.

[warm pier]

a lot?

[upbeat berry]

Anyone has a clue?

[honest silo]

Yep.

[ivory gale]

wait what was I cooking, where's my IFHE

[eternal jacinth]

i am curious are there any stealth radar cruisers at T9? I would've thought Neptune was but its concealment is horrendous for a british cruiser

[warm pier]

can you help me with my hoi4 game when you have time later 🙏

[honest silo]

I will.

[warm pier]

ty

[honest silo]

You are welcome.

[warm pier]

so 1. venezia line 2. zao line any tipssssssssssssss pwease 🙏

[steel pier]

i would assume, you need to reach a higher lvl yet?

[honest silo]

But yeah I have a lot to learn and improve.

[warm pier]

for more crooooozer lines

[ivory gale]

Venezia fun

[warm pier]

i believe i have about uhhhh

[ivory gale]

Bonking destroyers

[warm pier]

uhhhhhh

200 hours or so

[honest silo]

But yeah good night guys see you all tomorrow.

[eternal jacinth]

i am curious are there any stealth radar cruisers at T9? I would've thought Neptune was but its concealment is horrendous for a british cruiser

[steel pier]

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Access_Levels#Access_Level_17
@upbeat berry here is all you need to read

[honest silo]

I was refering at WoWs.

[warm pier]

oh.

hoi4 also 200 hours :(

so far i got uhhh

[honest silo]

Cya Chanderlin, WandererJester, Germany, NoBrainZao, Nyteri and Gerhard.

[warm pier]

bye

[eternal jacinth]

guys are there any stealth radar cruisers at T9?

[honest silo]

And Chromehounds also.

[warm pier]

check shiptool ig

[livid bridge]

there arent any btw

[upbeat berry]

Which Warship Line would you lads recommend? Currently playing Gneisenau but it feels not good to me.
Same for Cruiser, currently running Tier 6 German one and I am doing alright but not rly good. I get so often annoyed of people being able to shoot over islands and I can’t

[minor harbor]

gp1

[warm pier]

i did hindenburg first

which is the german cruiser line

quite decent line

my favourite persoanlly but.

[untold talon]

Don’t play German votes, they smelly.

Pan America/Europe gets all the bs in universe with a side of bacon

[eternal jacinth]

im kinda surprised tbh. i get why they made Neptune concealment worse than Mino and Edin. the ship is larger but isn't the gimick for those 3 suppose to have stealth radar or smoke?

[upbeat berry]

Sound reasonable, what about Warships?

[livid bridge]

Neptune is the closest to stealth radar with 10,3km vs 10km radar

second is Aberdeen with 9,4km vs 9km

[untold talon]

Buffalo is about the same btw

[warm pier]

the warship in particular?

[eternal jacinth]

10.7 vs 10

[livid bridge]

waint no nvm

Riga

[untold talon]

Funny thing is that is about what the Indianapolis runs 😄

[eternal jacinth]

by 0.1 sadly still not stealth

[livid bridge]

yeh

Riga is the closest tho

[upbeat berry]

Which Battle Warship Line would you say is strongest and easiest to learn?
Since me playing Gneisenau just feels weird… I manly get shells that drop away or only small dmg output even when aiming straight for citadels and so

[untold talon]

Tbf at that point, after you get detected wait 5s and pop radar

[untold talon]

Get closer

[warm pier]

battleships are easiest to learn obviously uhhh

unpopular opinion but i'd say kremlin teaches you the best if you endure the process

otherwise maybe montana or yamato

[upbeat berry]

Isn’t it able to get good shots at around 15km?

[untold talon]

No

Eh, if you aren’t liking it the question is what playstyle are you looking for in your battleships.

[warm pier]

in theory. but 6 guns = inconsistent

[untold talon]

German battleships arent snipers

That’s Japan

[upbeat berry]

I wanna be able to have high dmg output with good chance to stay alive but with ability to get closer if required

[livid bridge]

1,2mil CXP just to move around Lutjens for a regrind

[upbeat berry]

Colombo from italy wouldn’t be wise either?

[warm pier]

try montana

[warm pier]

colombo is...

[livid bridge]

colombo is still a crazy ship

[warm pier]

good i suppose.

[livid bridge]

but you need to get to it

[warm pier]

i just dont like it

pretty boring

[livid bridge]

which might be debatable

[untold talon]

Or French

[livid bridge]

mid tiers should be preety funny ig with new dispersion

as you shoot closer on avarege

[upbeat berry]

So try American way. If this feels wrong, Japanese and if that is not my playstyle Italian?
Especially since I don’t think that Preussen will be good in the endrun

[lime locust]

ok who tf thought it would be a smart idea to give sherman a engine boost
car went from broken to hyper broken

[upbeat berry]

What type of ship is Sherman?

[lime locust]

dd

[warm pier]

destryoer

[upbeat berry]

Probably premium I guess

[warm pier]

yamato and montana are the easiest to play

doesn't teach you much though

[untold talon]

Or France

[untold talon]

Disagree

[livid bridge]

Oh yea that also happend

Shermogging

[untold talon]

On the it doesn’t teach you much part

[upbeat berry]

Well I first want to have a good money machine running to the upgrade all the other ships.

[lime locust]

just open water farmed for 12min straight without using a single smoke

2026 balance department sucks

[warm pier]

premium tier 9 best for those uhhh

try izumo or iowa

[warm pier]

only the basics

not much more

[upbeat berry]

Alrighty lads
Thanks for the time and help

[lucid wagon]

when you incap someones torpedoes

[livid bridge]

my brainrot becomes reality

[lucid wagon]

shouldnt there be a delay

of around 5s

[lucid wagon]

even with DCP

[livid bridge]

nope

well depends what you mean by should

mechanically once you press DCP it now returns to previous state

[warm pier]

no actually

[lucid wagon]

was fighting a pommern and disabled both of his back turrets and his torp tubes to try and get a ram on him in Nelson but ah nah

[livid bridge]

without restarting reload nowdays

[warm pier]

the torpedoes most likely explode if loaded

[lucid wagon]

dude fuckin repaired it in 0.2s

[livid bridge]

fastest R key in the west

[warm pier]

(midway)

[lucid wagon]

fr tho

[warm pier]

but also if wows was realistic

[lucid wagon]

like you coouldnt even tell i incapped it

literally 0 delay

[warm pier]

cvs would be off-map

[livid bridge]

almost as fast as BBs DCPing a single fire

[tall geyser]

heh thats me

[lucid wagon]

Nelson is just so depressing in uptiers

[lime locust]

i outplayed some bourg which tried to rush me at 9km
but he just couldnt hit me cuz i was dodging with engine boost active

[untold talon]

Like I said, disagree.

They teach you basically everything about BBs.

Gimmick shits get in the way of that learning

[livid bridge]

yeh there is 0 delay

[tawdry turret]

we can play t10 if u want

[livid bridge]

wether there should be one is another matter

[lucid wagon]

honestly tho

i was expecting a 1-2s delay between this dude getting incapped + DCP

[warm pier]

krem teaches you better about dcp use for example

[lucid wagon]

but nah

dude got it holstered up

ready to go

[livid bridge]

well if the torps get blacked then he cant DCP

at least there is that

[lucid wagon]

thats what i was hoping for

since i kept turbonuking his modules with Nelson HE a bit

[tall geyser]

kremlin is one of the best BB

[livid bridge]

I farmed 2 compliments today

[lucid wagon]

"Better DCP use" (just dont dcp single fires)

i think Kremlin does not teach it because Kremlin (And Germany) have a unique DCP that is both fast paced in terms of cooldown and limited in quantity and like no other countries actually have that

[warm pier]

cant really intuitively learn that if dcps aren't limited

[lime locust]

how?
im even getting reported for breathing

[warm pier]

so they learn dcp usage faster

[lime locust]

im stuck at 97

[warm pier]

because stuff goes wrong fast if they dont

[lucid wagon]

or just like idk teach someone how to manage like, actual DCPs on ships that dont tank literally everything

[lucid wagon]

Kremlin is like the most unlikely to actually go wrong

[warm pier]

if they use their dcp in first quarter/half...

really?

[lucid wagon]

I mean.. yeah

[balmy spruce]

What kind of ships are you using? Some people will hate certain types and will report you for using it 😁

[lucid wagon]

• the most uparmored scheme that is literally just anti-cruiser anti-bb anti-punishment

• large health pool

• large 457mm guns

like lmao

[lime locust]

everything but CVs and subs
ppl just hating on me cuz im better 🥀

[warm pier]

above-water citadel

so teaches them to not broadside

rewards for angling and punishes for broadsiding

[livid bridge]

I was a nice person and kindly flamed a dude in ops

[lime locust]

😭

[livid bridge]

and he course corrected and we won

[lucid wagon]

bro the Kremlin citadel dont even get hit above 12-14km 😭

[lime locust]

pro coach

[warm pier]

isnt it same thickness as yam?

[balmy spruce]

I ran into karma hate because I used Radar Cruisers against their DDs.
BB players are notorious in their hatred for island campers and DDs + torps

[lucid wagon]

not even nearly as exposed as yamato

[lime locust]

got reported once for using the torps of my kleber 🥀

[balmy spruce]

They had it coming

[warm pier]

i mena

[balmy spruce]

Hell, I remember carrying my team to a win and I still lost karma

[warm pier]

the ppl aiming at the players arent beginners

[warm pier]

me when i lose a 7 kill 12v12 randoms

[lime locust]

what ya arguing about im to lazy to read

[warm pier]

whether montana/yamato teaches uhhh

one sec

a lot

[lime locust]

both suck

[warm pier]

ok uh

@lucid wagon yo.

someone slandering

[lime locust]

play real ships
like shima

or halland

[warm pier]

yamato was a real ship...

[lime locust]

thats not what i meant with real

[warm pier]

and most ships in usn are real

[lime locust]

nah but fr why would u play montana or yamato in 2026

[warm pier]

still strong

[untold talon]

Karma system is a joke na na ba

[untold talon]

Because not everyone needs all the gimmicks in the world to make a battleship good?

[warm pier]

montana is good at everything

not great at anything unfortuante

[untold talon]

Welcome to USN design 101

[vague cedar]

If it ain't enough - just slap more firepower onto it

[warm pier]

yeah american ships look ehhh

and feel ehhh

bridgeport's turrets look like a fridge

factory probably got converted from a civ to mil in 1942

maybe thats why the turret traverse sucks

[lime locust]

ayo WG since we're getting shit like sherman buffed
when do i get my 40mm side DM

[lucid wagon]

gotta love shitty teams nuking my PR

[warm pier]

why dm get better armor than hind

[lime locust]

still 30mm side

[lucid wagon]

genuinely confirmation bias but i swear to god this entire patch has just been mediocre team after mediocre team

[lime locust]

gets overmatched by 2/3 of the t10 bbs

[warm pier]

so does hind.

[lime locust]

who cares about hinden
kite slop

[void relic]

https://tenor.com/view/i-asked-i-care-gif-25860024

[warm pier]

literally able to push better than dm.

[untold talon]

PR is a pretty garbage metric due to kills being important tbf

[lime locust]

must be ragebait

[warm pier]

true

just take average of position on team or so

[lucid wagon]

lmao

now we got into a mastch where me and kowatari are a duo

[warm pier]

xp wise

[lucid wagon]

and on the other side is like fucking 9 divved people

omg super mega good mm

[warm pier]

and adjust by win rate to find contribution

[tall geyser]

i was reported for saying I was in MENSA

[lime locust]

deserved

[trail salmon]

without me

[mental sundial]

what happened to TNG

[vague cedar]

TNG?

[mental sundial]

NA clan

[mortal scarab]

Hang on a minute..

[lucid wagon]

i am so close

to getting off right now

its actually fucking crazy

[tawdry turret]

that was cruel

[vague cedar]

...Yeah i have no clue

[lucid wagon]

its genuinely like your teammates are so fucking lobotomized

theyre actually incapable of even playing the game

i wonder how the fuck you get devstruck by a torpedo in FUCKING COSSACK

YOURE IN FUCKING COSSACK

[lucid wagon]

THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN???

HOW DO YOU GET DEVSTRUCK IN COSSACK BY COSSACK TORPEDOES

[untold talon]

watches the teams only flank BB 'slow run' off to the other side of the fucking map for some reason

[lucid wagon]

THAT IS LITERALLY A WHOLE NEW LEVEL OF IDIOCY

[untold talon]

no, that is childs play

[tawdry turret]

mf went in cap

gets torped out by their Cossa

thats it

Thats literally it

[lucid wagon]

like it literally has fucking HYDRO

[tawdry turret]

shit was too fast even the CV asked

[lucid wagon]

HOW ARE YOU GETTING TORPED OUT IN A SHIP THAT HAS HYDRO AND THE MANUEVERABILITY TO DODGE ALL TORPEDOES

AND THEN THIS FUCKING CV HAS THE AUDACITY TO HOVER ME THE ENTIRE FUCKING G AME

[untold talon]

expecting your premiums to do what they are supposed to is a bit of a stupid perpective.

you should be lucky if they have objective permenance

[lucid wagon]

@trail salmon can you get on

[blazing dock]

come on man how is this bug still alive

[lucid wagon]

@tawdry turret oh yeah yk the best part

i was permalit the entire game

like i was never actually undetected because we legitimately just had nobody capable to even try and counter the DDs so the entire time i had Republique, Ognevoi, Christopher, Manfred Von Richtofen, and occassionally the Kearsarge all trying to farm me which is pretty cool

[tawdry turret]

didnt we lost both DDs first

[lucid wagon]

yeah

[tawdry turret]

before anything else?

[lucid wagon]

Cossack and Jager to fucking torpedoes

Cossack getting torped out is a major skissue, sure, but stuff happens

[tawdry turret]

after that it's just playing with their food

[lucid wagon]

but getting torped out in jager which is not only like 40 fucking knots + but is also like the worlds smallest target is truly an achievement

[lucid wagon]

for a second i thought there was hope of a comeback too

considering i killed Austin and nearly oneshot Fort Worth because he went broadside to a Marseille (???)

[tawdry turret]

My flank winning actually gave us hope

[tawdry turret]

that was dope

2k left was a bit

[rustic hearth]

[tawdry turret]

anyway Rep found the shot to blow me so

[lucid wagon]

how long is this dudes battle

[untold talon]

jager is for the dumbest of the dumb DD playersd btw

[lucid wagon]

honestly the position i got myself into wasnt good at all but like

it was literally the only play i could make

[tawdry turret]

@trail salmon

[lucid wagon]

that even gave us a chance at winning

and obviously it didnt work out either way

[tawdry turret]

because cv

And they gave you 3 fires and another 2 after dcp

meanwhile our Enigheten got stuck in an island

[trail salmon]

im uhh

running div stars

with my clan

[lucid wagon]

oh

[trail salmon]

ill hop on later

with yall

[lucid wagon]

alr

[trail salmon]

when they are dedge

[kindred fog]

Great for getting those 'Get X number of torpedo hits in a single round' missions though.

[untold talon]

use a sub 😄

or a CV

[kindred fog]

Those work too... but they make me feel dirty if I play them.

[untold talon]

because the bs that is the Jager is better somehow?

[viscid pier]

fym somehow

[untold talon]

I didn't studder

[viscid pier]

its a one trick pony for the worst source of damage in the game, and like the 4th best torpboat at T9 at that

[untold talon]

playing an ultra low detection DD that is just a torp spam machine isn't any better than playing a Sub

if you think otherwise you are lying to yourself

Pot, Kettle.

[viscid pier]

more like ur just a team burden

[tough shale]

Is it bad luck that I bought 6 azur crate and got 0 manzuu crates

[viscid pier]

a sub can go way further than an equally well played jager

mostly because jager is pretty shit

[topaz coyote]

It is different because at least radar and hydro affect you

And planes

[viscid pier]

and you get zoned out by everything

jager cant do jackshit once there is a DD with higher dpm in the vicinity, which is like all of them

[mental sundial]

does elgerussy goon

[viscid pier]

does jesus goon

[mental sundial]

probably at least once

[topaz coyote]

Jesus never goon 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[mental sundial]

when is the next update

[topaz coyote]

Ask Victor Kislyi

[bronze flame]

Was just in a game where both teams had jagers and both where being hated on. #valid

Annoying ah ship

[lucid wagon]

@tawdry turret btw my completely suicidal push had me on fire

a total of 15 times

lmao

somehow didnt get fireproof

which is bs

[tawdry turret]

incom?

[lucid wagon]

yea

[lucid wagon]

kinda worth it tho

Night of Ushant pot mission is like so much closer to being done

[rare schooner]

Found 1 build for Álvaro de Bazán!

Source Document: wo.ws/builds

Click the button(s) to open a build.

[tawdry turret]

we play again later to get it done then

[untold talon]

somewhat tempted to try the rochester as a secondary build

[topaz coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/daitaku-helios-uma-musume-helios-gif-3464731491912373770

[untold talon]

because you can stealth secondary

[lament birch]

Gonna act like i did not read that

https://tenor.com/view/forget-it-flash-men-in-black-will-smith-gif-19235596

[topaz coyote]

You are gonna be spotted tho, you are aware right?

[untold talon]

not in the smoke no I won't 😄

[topaz coyote]

True that

[lucid wagon]

OMG ALL WEEBS ARE WEIRD

ALL WEEBS SHOULD BE ANNIHILATED FROM PLANET EARTH

[trail salmon]

uhh

help

[topaz coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[untold talon]

that being said, I'm just a menace with it as it is 😄

[mental sundial]

Get bred lil bro

[topaz coyote]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-de0xIgxhZgAXJbKGNd

What is blud saying

[tawdry turret]

arent u one?

[lucid wagon]

wha

[topaz coyote]

I will use my ST powers to get you banned grrr

[lucid wagon]

I am ST (unofifical) of Wows and i can confirm that newest boat, super strong Fuyutsuki has a new consumable claled

"Anti-radar"

Radar jams and spots everyone for team

trust

[topaz coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/nba-gif-15687325833433865178

[lucid wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-uma-grass-wonder-tm-opera-o-narita-taishin-gif-10036542427187214223

[lucid wagon]

ALL WEEBS ARE VIOLENT

OBLITERATE ALL WEEEEBSSSSS!

[topaz coyote]

[Swear words and threats of violence]

[tawdry turret]

self-report is crazy

[lucid wagon]

Nuh uh no self report

no anime profile = NOT A WEEB!!

[tawdry turret]

[topaz coyote]

Fish is weeb

[lucid wagon]

yes

[rustic hearth]

[topaz coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-mighty-omega-gif-22253898

[mental sundial]

grr I HATE sts grr

[topaz coyote]

One billion buffs to the newest submarine line

[lucid skiff]

ik the ship got many nerfs, but is FDR still a bully cv?

[mental sundial]

grr I hate weebs grr

[topaz coyote]

It bullies BBs and that's about it

[untold talon]

grr grr they are a closet weeb just watch

[topaz coyote]

Gets kinda screwed over in today's meta

[lucid wagon]

this is why you never play goliath children (not name shaming)

[untold talon]

looks at Goliath in port Yep, that tracks

The British CA line ends with the Cheshire.

[tawdry turret]

I still dont know how to play it

And I don't want to

[topaz coyote]

You don't

[untold talon]

It's good for one thing

[topaz coyote]

Free cits

[untold talon]

getting really good at Kite-Cruiser gameplay.

[topaz coyote]

Hindenburg mogs

[tawdry turret]

The Surrey too, right?

Right?

[lucid skiff]

well considering bbs are the most played class...

[untold talon]

Shimakaze is still the most played ship of all time >.>

[topaz coyote]

More free food for gunboats

[untold talon]

Sorry, I touched grass and ran laps.

[untold talon]

Yeah, the British CAs are just good for kiting, and are overall...not great

[tawdry turret]

old and weeb

and people love to spam torpedoes and see them hit

I guess

[untold talon]

tbf, Watching someone eat a volley of torps is preem

[eternal jacinth]

why dont they just ban certain ships from ranked like they do CBs?

[untold talon]

similar to watching a Thunderer delete a Smol from existing at 18km in a single go.

[warm pier]

what about hindy

[topaz coyote]

Still can do the work

Especially with all that armor powercreep that keeps happening

[warm pier]

what about hindy............

[topaz coyote]

She's hot

[tawdry turret]

[untold talon]

They disagree

[topaz coyote]

Hindenboob

[warm pier]

with whatt

with whatttttttttttttttttttttttt

[untold talon]

underbewb

[topaz coyote]

Underburg

[frozen vortex]

Boobs

[topaz coyote]

Best starting kiting cruiser, especially after the whole line got heals now

[frozen vortex]

What?

I'm a simple man

I like boobs

[topaz coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/daitaku-helios-uma-musume-umamusume-helios-gif-4827450492192167787

[untold talon]

I think I prefer Roon or Bismarck honestly

[topaz coyote]

You like em crazy, huh

[untold talon]

don't know about the personality to be clear

Also, maybe

[lucid skiff]

"who does?"

[topaz coyote]

Let's say

[frozen vortex]

Bismarck is also insane???

[topaz coyote]

Roon is fucking batshit crazy

[warm pier]

i mean yeah....

it can kite

[topaz coyote]

Nah, Bismarck is chill af

[frozen vortex]

Roon I understand is a lunatic

[warm pier]

wait isn't zao better for kiting ahh

[untold talon]

but also, this is my preference

[untold talon]

want to say I'm surprised that they are. Don't play that much Azur lane honestly

not exactly SFW

[topaz coyote]

Zao is pretty accurate but I would say Hindenburg is just better overall

[warm pier]

ehhh

i run my hindy quite aggro

so not so kiting

[topaz coyote]

Just much more consistent damage output

And Hindy is tanky

[topaz coyote]

Yeah...

Not enough wholesomeness and too much goon

[warm pier]

yuh uhhhh

first line i grinded

[topaz coyote]

Also Hindenburg AP DPM is fucking batshit insane

[warm pier]

yuh uh

[frozen vortex]

Idk shit about Azur Lane

Other than the anime, which was... Bleh

But anything other than the generic voice in my battles is better than nothing

[untold talon]

Watched the animu, played teh game a bit shrug. The VA's are nice to listen to

[topaz coyote]

Azur lane anime 🛌

[eternal jacinth]

i forget does sun yat sen get special dispersion?

[topaz coyote]

Anyways gn chat

[vague cedar]

BC dispersion, so yeah

[mental sundial]

EmpressCheshire is evil, do not trust anything she says

[analog jackal]

I should play more bridgeport

[lucid wagon]

holy moly

[analog jackal]

Cambridge wasnt giving me magical games today

[lucid wagon]

i just got my first utrecht win chat

took 27 games lmao and sacrificing like

100k avg dmg

[tawdry turret]

omedetou~

[lucid wagon]

bro that game was so stupid

[analog jackal]

the teams today

diabolical

[lucid wagon]

fr tho

[analog jackal]

I gave up after there was a rhode island with sub 200 battles on my team

[lucid wagon]

are we toxic?

[analog jackal]

with like 40% WR

[boreal fable]

Well what do I do now...

[tawdry turret]

only u guys

I'm going to be blown

[warm pier]

not enough

either full toxic or not toxic at all

[analog jackal]

I might need to get baltimore

[tawdry turret]

become a radar

before

[analog jackal]

its like bridgeport but 10x better

[warm pier]

true

[boreal fable]

Agaisnt what 😭

[warm pier]

bridgeport sucks

[analog jackal]

erm actually

[tawdry turret]

go and rd that Shima

[analog jackal]

its like the best tier 8 cruiser

for 80 seconds

[boreal fable]

I'm jsut giga throttleduking everything

[analog jackal]

smh

[boreal fable]

Lowkey cooking

Give san martin 18km and nevsky shell arcs it'll be balanced trust

[trail salmon]

giga gaming'

[boreal fable]

But the game impact is game impacting

[warm pier]

bad for the rest

[analog jackal]

yeah

I hope they buff it

(they wont)

[warm pier]

it was buffed

you can increase consumable time now with captain etc

[analog jackal]

extra 6 SECONDS

huge

[warm pier]

yay you get an extra 10s

or so

[analog jackal]

mega.

[warm pier]

totally

one more salvo

[boreal fable]

Ahhh dont need heals aaah

[warm pier]

about 10k at max

[analog jackal]

give me more oregon city class ships

drop albany

[boreal fable]

I remember Oregon...

[analog jackal]

I played 1 game in oregon

[boreal fable]

Pure pure aids

[radiant olive]

man what is up with these teams right now

they just evaporate

[analog jackal]

theyve been really bad

all day

[boreal fable]

Well vyazma was way worse

[radiant olive]

5 straight losses, i can't even carry

[analog jackal]

i NUKED my cambridge WR

the struggle was real

[boreal fable]

Ahh tell m,e about it bro, WR is 100% luck based

[radiant olive]

no it isn't

[boreal fable]

It is

[radiant olive]

but sometimes matchmaker will just decide that you do not get to play

[warm pier]

what you playing..

[radiant olive]

balao

[boreal fable]

I've gotten so many games where I did 200k with 4 kills but it was a 7v2 after

teams just gone

[lament birch]

I love when i get the diabolical 44% team against 58%

[radiant olive]

what ship?

[boreal fable]

conq, minotaur and imcomp

It has happened

[radiant olive]

conq isn't a carry ship

it's a low impact damage farmer

[analog jackal]

conq has impact if u can bait people to farm it

[boreal fable]

Also a game where I soloed a minotaur and a dd in my elbing and my team still lost on that flank

[analog jackal]

since it has so much effective HP

[boreal fable]

Yeah that's what I usually do

[warm pier]

is balao a carry ship?

[boreal fable]

Get in their mouth and make them shoot me

[tiny radish]

good players make their own luck to an extent

[analog jackal]

cambridge

[boreal fable]

No they simply do not

[analog jackal]

😍

[warm pier]

radar mino has most effective game impact (for standard build ofc)

[boreal fable]

For every good player on our team, we have 3 turbo ass players to compensate. For every turbo ass player on red they have 3 good players to compensate

[analog jackal]

lowk

id rather a moskva or des moine before radar mino

[boreal fable]

I think any cv has more game impact than mino

[boreal fable]

Mino is the most survivable radar cruiser if you know how to use your british accel, if not it's the least survivable

[warm pier]

oh i meant for cruisers

[boreal fable]

I see

[warm pier]

much more game impact than most bbs actually

and some dds

[boreal fable]

Well depending on the game radar mino could be the hardest carry or literally utterly useless

Then Moskva or san martin would be good in basically all games

But not as good as mino in the specific MM type where it carries

The problem with radar mino is it does one specific thing, giga turbo dump dds, really well. Then everything else is kinda eh

[warm pier]

yeah.

[lucid wagon]

why are these teams

[warm pier]

pretty useful

[lucid wagon]

just so bad

[analog jackal]

mino turbo dumps stupid DD players

[lucid wagon]

it is actually diabolical how many blowouts ive had in a row

[boreal fable]

But then you get games with no dds, the dd is on the other flank, submarines or one of those kiting spam dds. Then radar mino is useless

Like in elbing a radar mino is genuine free citadells and no threat

[analog jackal]

all day

[boreal fable]

In this match radar mino would go crazy

[lucid wagon]

likes its crazy

they're like the most extreme blowouts as well

they arent even "maybe this can be recovered" its just OVER

[boreal fable]

yup, sounds about right

I went down 3% WR because I got that many losing blowouts in a row

[analog jackal]

this is going to be a spicy AS FUCK take

[warm pier]

not really

it can still farm bbs etc

[analog jackal]

mino only has higher game impact over other radar ships when fighting stupid people

[boreal fable]

Maybe if you find a nice mountain ig

Openwater anything approaching slava shell velocity shits on you

[tawdry turret]

which what you can also do in smoke

[cunning lichen]

I might just actually reset my Zao lime so I can regrind it again

[analog jackal]

i had like 45% average today cuz of all the blowouts

[cunning lichen]

Seem fun

[tawdry turret]

radar mino in such games would make the radar a less utility tool but still workable towards smokas and playmakers

[radiant olive]

it can be

if the flank doesn't just go "poof"

[tawdry turret]

I mean we had a La Pampa supposed to be spotted but smh he went through mid with everyone there, even knew he's there and still flanked us

[warm pier]

"just dodge"

i mean it does have a superheal

[analog jackal]

I dunno if I should get marceau or alvaro next

[lucid wagon]

NoBrainZaoMain grinds the Zao, because he's a Zao main

honestly after the Zao's arsenal of buffs shes pretty good now

[warm pier]

was never bad

[lucid wagon]

debatable lmao

[cunning lichen]

well mainly to experience the line again since it was my first cruiser line

now

updated with heals

[warm pier]

nothing can replace zao experience except hindy probably

[warm pier]

my first was hinden

[lucid wagon]

I love Zao but i hate the fact that i have to play with like 5 monitors for the 360 omnipotence experience to not blow up

[warm pier]

yorck and hipper was a bit pain cuz no heals rip

[lucid wagon]

i think i legitimately dodge more shells in Zao then i do Colbert

because irrationally fear getting annihilated in Zao

[warm pier]

you would hate lh builds no?

[lucid wagon]

no i love them

i just find it funny for some reason i am especially sweaty on Zao

[boreal fable]

In such a scenario you basically have one

[warm pier]

why only zao?

zao vs hindy has been a debate for a few years i believe

it happens that me and nobrainzaomain are on opposite sides

[lucid wagon]

For me i've had bad experiences on the armor with Zao

so i just automatically move to dodge AS MUCH as possible

[analog jackal]

cambridge the only cruiser I need

[lucid wagon]

Kronkek

[analog jackal]

i pride myself on being the biggest fan of USS cambridge

[pure sky]

what about for real ships, what's your favorite?

[analog jackal]

probably sherman

I like oregon city

but they havent added her

[pure sky]

at least Cambridge was a real blueprint ship which is nice

Heavy cruiser scheme 3

[lament birch]

except the one we have doesn't exist in any format and is just an asset flip lol

[pure sky]

WG modified her obviously

[pure sky]

yes

[lusty lagoon]

well its armor isn't very great nowadays

[warm pier]

including experimental?

or prototype

etc

[pure sky]

just real

[tawdry turret]

random citadels, go

[warm pier]

ah ok

landkreuzer p1000 ratte

its a ship

land "cruiser"

[analog jackal]

even tho shes an asset flip. cambridge is still my goat

[lusty lagoon]

30mm armor moment

[pure sky]

no lol

[warm pier]

its a cruiser

[pure sky]

no lol

[warm pier]

it has heavy cruiser guns

[pure sky]

it's not a cruiser

it's not on water

[warm pier]

it could be