game-discussion

[light harbor]

for a T5 cruiser
That's the keyword there

[viscid pier]

yeah how many people talk about Celebes other than to mention its horrible ss?

[steel pier]

see. celebes v prem, since irrelevant ship

[light harbor]

Being devstruck by an Atlanta with guns isn't exactly what I would consider worth playing

[shell temple]

Oh yeah bab

[tawdry turret]

lmao what

[shell temple]

we are ready for Sete

😎

[viscid pier]

yeah Tromp would be so shit as a T5 CL

[light harbor]

I've devstruck tier 5 cruisers as an Atlanta with guns

It's super dumb

[eager pumice]

but is Sete ready for you

what if it never comes

[silent forge]

You can devstrike tier 9 cruisers with Atlanta if you want

[shell temple]

Sete will be ready for me :>

[blazing palm]

there are dockyard missions still and AL 🙂

[light harbor]

Yes, because she has torpedoes

[steel pier]

so is yahagi currently and as i alr mentioned: it wouldnt matter for the majority, just as yahagi doesnt. only for the ppl, who cherish her

[light harbor]

Not because the AP has lots of pen

[honest silo]

Nice!

[silent forge]

Enough against a Neptune if the range is close enough

[light harbor]

What is Neptune belt?

[shell temple]

102?

[light harbor]

105mm?

[shell temple]

yes its 102

[light harbor]

Would have to be super close then

<5km kind of close

[honest silo]

Neptune Is a Heavy Cruiser?

[steel pier]

CL

[silent forge]

It is not

Size wise might as well be

[sweet latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/1186520400960684062/nt.gif

[silent forge]

Fucking gigantic silhouette

[shell temple]

Bugno

[topaz coyote]

Bungo CL

[silent forge]

A heavy cruiser is anything with 155mm of gun calibre plus by official designations

[shell temple]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-slamming-card-on-table-gif-21126320

[steel pier]

same standard british CL guns. even Edniburgh has the same amount. she only looks bigger

[shell temple]

400k credits

[jolly shard]

@blazing palm will the 1 dupe=1 token duplicate rule for the 39-45 chronicles change when the containers becomes available for coal/dubs?

[shell temple]

whats happeneing there

[steel pier]

would go above 15,5cm. since Oyodo had 15,5cm triples

[sweet latch]

Neptune is like 20m larger and 5000t heaver than Edin

[hidden bay]

Neptune is a Light Cruiser, however to fit all the lessons and new kit from wartime experience and the automatic triple 6'' turrets the design grew considerably.

[silent forge]

Yes, 155mm plus, as with the Mogamis in their original config

[honest silo]

Oh, ok and thanks Gerhard, where_salt and CastorTolagi.

[muted eagle]

Where the "VeryExplosiveNuptune" (or something like that) term comes from that community use?

[honest silo]

I see and that's interessing.

[hidden bay]

Oh she's got a large citadel, not the best belt armour and is sluggish compared to Eddy and Mino

So Neptunes tend to be popped

[silent forge]

Stupid stepped citadel as well so haha easy cit through any angle

[muted eagle]

Makes sense.

[honest silo]

So easy to explode?

[hidden bay]

Yes

[opal quarry]

Also worse concealment than Edin iirc

[hidden bay]

Correct

[honest silo]

I see.

[silent forge]

10.3km at max

[hidden bay]

She's the only RN CL with radar that can not stealth radar

[opal quarry]

That's sad

[silent forge]

technically Belfast can’t

[honest silo]

Wow.

[silent forge]

Lemme get my nerf glasses on

[opal quarry]

But she is one of the very few ships I have skipped with fxp half way though the grind

[muted eagle]

Reminds me on Florida: "its all made of citadel? Yes."

[honest silo]

Florida can be easily devstruck.

[silent forge]

AKSHULLY WarGaming staff member, a few of the non tech tree CLs don’t have stealth radar

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-silence-crab-gif-17525038274389172494

[tawdry turret]

RN CL

[muted eagle]

Great, now Killerbin gonna delete yoir account.

[silent forge]

Yeah actually I’m being that pedantic that that is a valid point

[tawdry turret]

bro's getting 100 Airstrike dump next game

[frosty cedar]

bye salt was nice to play with you

[opal quarry]

Does plymussy stealth radar?

I never see that one

[silent forge]

That ends my suffering, a better idea is to press the big red button that gives me worse MM that increases my suffering

[tawdry turret]

no i think

Plymouth is 9km

[steel pier]

makes me performing well in her in my only random battle in her even more surprising

[tawdry turret]

rd

[muted eagle]

All 1pixel precize on his weakpon on deck.

[silent forge]

Go away Clan Battles season 32 winner

[honest silo]

Plymouth right?

[blazing palm]

I think that if it wasn't deliberately stated in the devblog or update article, then the collection rules should not change.

[frosty cedar]

hmm its only 9 right? so it shouldn't

[tawdry turret]

yes radar is 9km

[vague cedar]

When i first see Neptune's citadel form, my first question was "Why does this thing has the same silhouette as the UK Parliament? 🥀 "

[frosty cedar]

33*

[silent forge]

I think you also won 32

[frosty cedar]

32 i was technically still with you

[silent forge]

Oh really

[opal quarry]

So Plymussy and budget Posseidon can't stealth radar

[silent forge]

I thought you left in 32

[frosty cedar]

at least clan base wise

[silent forge]

Mentally already abandoned us

[sweet latch]

Belfast (the T7)
Aberdeen
Neptune
Plymouth
cant stealth radar

[silent forge]

See Killerbin, you were wrong, there’s so many RN CLs that can’t stealth radar

[honest silo]

I'm just curious you can grind Royal Navy cruiser?

[tawdry turret]

[silent forge]

Obviously

[tawdry turret]

its okay-ish tho

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/babylon5-londo-gif-27642657

[silent forge]

Like any other line you can grind it

[tawdry turret]

to good of course

[opal quarry]

I hear bin in the MM console

[tawdry turret]

just lead all shells to his citadel in the next 10 games

[honest silo]

I see and thanks guys.

[light harbor]

Huh, Salem can devstrike certain cruisers

The more you know

[opal quarry]

Yes

[hidden bay]

Well Dev strikes are not single volley strikes

[silent forge]

Yeah, when I go back to leaderboarding Jacksonville watch killerbin be responsible for my failure

[sweet latch]

certain - like pretty much all cruiser

[opal quarry]

There are very few cruisers that cannot devstrike anything

[hidden bay]

Just do x damage in a short time

[frosty cedar]

now its nerfed anyways, wont compensate that anymore

[opal quarry]

Salem full citadel volley is enough to devstrike some

9*5600

[silent forge]

Hey I’m still currently on track to be first by a large margin

[sweet latch]

with Reload mod you can get two salvos off - since dev strike triggers even with a bit delay between hits

[frosty cedar]

its 10 sec without fire or flood, fire and flood counts diffrent, but somehow also not always, is there actually a official forumular bin?

[light harbor]

I meant in a single volley

But yeah fair enough

Just have to get lucky

[sweet latch]

with one salvo Salem has 45k AP Alpha - so enough for one Zao

[light harbor]

In this case it was a Vallejo in ops

Okay I needed to have gotten all 9 cits for that to work

[frosty cedar]

how many games are left?

[silent forge]

20

[frosty cedar]

@silent forge

ah

[sweet latch]

was it a T10 Ops game?

[light harbor]

Yup

[sweet latch]

because remember then the Bots have buffed Shells/damage

[frosty cedar]

yea than gl

[light harbor]

...do you mean buffed HP?

[wheat cobalt]

maybe not that one

vallejo 🥀

just put it for coal alr

[light harbor]

Because yes I'm aware they have buffed damage but that has nothing to do with HP pool

[light harbor]

?

I'm not planning on grabbing her or anything

[wheat cobalt]

idk

I see vallejo

[grizzled relic]

insane gameplay gaming

[wheat cobalt]

and I feel sharp pain

in my chest

[light harbor]

I devstruck one in a op

Maybe that's why

[lusty lagoon]

hallo

[boreal fable]

Would anyone like to div, I want to dev dds with castilla

[vestal oyster]

you know normally i like to err on the side of the destroyer when conflicts arise but i just had 4 DDs get completely gapped by the enemy DDs

with support and everything

[honest silo]

Yeah.

[eager pumice]

@rustic hearth I carried you

you're welcome

)))

[light harbor]

My last two games, an enemy torpedo bote has just walked into me twice (I was in a Lushun)

[rustic hearth]

oh hey

[light harbor]

That's just how it goes sometimes

[rustic hearth]

nice

[vestal oyster]

two japanese DDs on my team tried to have a gunfight with one Benson and they both lost

[eager pumice]

another silly midrushing asia team

[rustic hearth]

i was dragged to randoms by a friend

[vestal oyster]

despite me hitting the benson for over half his health

[rustic hearth]

im sorry for me underperforming

[light harbor]

Japanese destroyers are torpedo destroyers and therefore have no guns

[rustic hearth]

im still learning randoms

[light harbor]

[vestal oyster]

exactly

i don't know why they were acting like gunboats

[honest silo]

Is HMS Hood still good? I'm curious.

[eager pumice]

you need to not get caught bow in to a whole enemy flank
that's all

[sweet latch]

surely they should never use guns

[eager pumice]

patience wins games

[sweet latch]

TRUST

[light harbor]

Surely

[steel pier]

names ?

[light harbor]

Surely the 2k HE alpha per shell is useless

[rustic hearth]

icic

[sweet latch]

so bad

[vestal oyster]

obviously they should use their guns but like... they were just shooting and getting themselves detected

[honest silo]

I agree.

[vestal oyster]

i don't name and shame

[steel pier]

the destroyer names

[eager pumice]

also can you +1 me or something I got reported for that match

[steel pier]

not players, obv

[eager pumice]

typical Asians

beat them up and they cry

[vestal oyster]

oh it was an akizuki and shiratsuyu

[rustic hearth]

i can try, game crashed the moment i died

[honest silo]

Or no?

[steel pier]

well, akizuki is a gun DD

[light harbor]

Nah

[steel pier]

thats surprising me

[light harbor]

Akizuki guns are useless

Trust

[vestal oyster]

what's funny is the akizuki was playing like a torp boat

[honest silo]

Of what line is Akizuki?

[vestal oyster]

and got torped

by the benson

[steel pier]

[vestal oyster]

and the shiratsuyu was playing like a gunboat

[sweet latch]

Akizuki is the T8 of the Harugumo line

[vestal oyster]

and got shot to death by the benson

[sweet latch]

Akazuki is the T7 of the Shima line

[light harbor]

I'd say Akizuki is just that clunky but that's Benson torpedoes

They deserved to die

[honest silo]

I see and thanks CastorTolagi.

[rustic hearth]

gg

[steel pier]

i generally only trust my experience and instincts, no diss. but thats what it is

[honest silo]

What?

[sweet latch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669133945375555584/1361646789576622192/ezgif-61a20d2c7ccb8e.gif

[verbal widget]

uhhhh

[honest silo]

Rip.

[eager pumice]

chucks another at my pile
"this will make a fine addition to my collection"

[steel pier]

you're not even in this convo, so ye

[vestal oyster]

that's basicalyl what it was like in my game except it was a destroyer

the benson had 138 health left

a fucking wahnsinn had to cross the map and kill it with secondaries

[sweet latch]

well good Benson then

[honest silo]

I'm in as I'm Reading it.

[sweet latch]

+1 for a good DD player

[livid bridge]

Play torp boat line, go from shiratsuyu to Akizuki, your guns get even SMALLER than before, ofc they are useless

[honest silo]

Yeah I agree on that.

[livid bridge]

[eager pumice]

So Asia randoms to have the cruisers rush the caps

banzaaaai

and then they die and get mad at you

[steel pier]

then neither "?" nor the "what" would have been neccessary. its easy.

[eager pumice]

Asia always gotta push mid

[tiny radish]

...any particular demographic?

[honest silo]

It is necessary if I didn't understood what you mean.

[livid bridge]

They should add Epicenter back on Asia then

[vestal oyster]

i thought the whole point of the Harugumo line was fast reloading guns not high caliber guns

[livid bridge]

Big w

[light harbor]

Yup

Cruiser DPM on a destroyer basically

[honest silo]

Yeah it is.

[vestal oyster]

like they absolutely shred enemy DDs

[honest silo]

Wait really?

[hidden bay]

I will now be the pedantic one. If you look at the Tech Tree in game, you will see the Gunboats start at Akizuki.

[vestal oyster]

yes

[eager pumice]

@tiny radish you should have seen the Bearn in our last match
he spent the first half of the game flying over me nonstop and the second half trying to snipe our Ranger

I actually got the kill on him

[vestal oyster]

i just found it very odd that the people playing them played them in reverse roles

[eager pumice]

absolutely cathartic

[vestal oyster]

the shiratsuyu playing as a gunboat and the akizuki playing as a torp boat

[livid bridge]

If you happen to hover over that tiny "(i)" icon, yes

[vestal oyster]

i hover over the tiny i all the time

[honest silo]

Oh, ok I see.

[sweet latch]

Akazuki should lead to Akizuki and Akazuki should be more gun focused

Change my mind

[rustic hearth]

the only ever E ive gotten was on my ise 😔

[steel pier]

it is ez. thoose are gun DDs, obvious. if you only got on torpedo launcher, then they arent torp boats. and you can gunfight in an Akizuki, just do it right. so saying to me "trust, guns are useless" is smthn i will always counter with "i trust my experience and instincts" as i grinded all the way to the Harugumo and the guns are essential. as torps spread further apart and dont decide a fight for me

[eager pumice]

and of course cruisers rushed the cap on both teams
in true Asia fashion

hell yeah Asia rush mid

[jolly shard]

thx
42k coal left to sandy next update then

[unique hemlock]

She's such a stupid boat at her tier, so kinda makes sense

[hidden bay]

Given the number of times players mix the names of ships that sound similar its probably for the best, they don't.

[jolly shard]

9/16 completed

[honest silo]

I see and now I understood it.

[eager pumice]

oh I have Osborne researched now

[rustic hearth]

i await the day i get an E in rhode island

[eager pumice]

now what

[light harbor]

Maybe have them split at tier 8 and make Akatsuki a premium

[unique hemlock]

I still find it funny Riga and Agir exist.

[tiny radish]

that sounds like most CVs though

totally inept

[honest silo]

If not wrong the Super Akizuki-Class was planned by IJN?

[hidden bay]

Sort of?

Late war IJN plans are a bit of a mess

[steel pier]

thats Harugumo, kinda.

a Super Duck

[tiny radish]

isnt super aki the kitakaze

it still had 4 turrets

[cold geyser]

hey

[steel pier]

Haru has 5

[eager pumice]

are you familiar with the new USN DD gunboat line
it has a time based smoke consumable you can toggle freely

absolutely hilarious at messing with bad CVs but you get reported a fair amount

[honest silo]

I see, because I was pretty much looking on Wikipedia After the Shimakaze-Class there are the Super Shimakaze-Class and Super Akizuki-Class.

[honest silo]

Hey Brandon0sh.

[hidden bay]

Kita is closer to the 'Super-Aki' as far as info on the class goes

[livid bridge]

Akatsuki into Akazuki into Akizuki tree when

[tiny radish]

no, you mean like a set total time thats lower than normal DDs but can be toggled at will?

[honest silo]

Yeah it's one of the name.

[livid bridge]

What about Amagiri into Amagi

[steel pier]

at least, its one way

[eager pumice]

it's a set time of like
well the T7 gets 2min20
it goes up as you go up the tiers and you can toggle it like 25s at a time at will

[vestal oyster]

so a devblog in the past about the upcoming update mentioned that people who played historical ships for the hunt for the bismarck would get extra rewards

which ships does that include? bc most of these are premiums iirc

[eager pumice]

I don't think they're great ships for comp but for screwing with the usual threats in Randoms that smoke is a godsend

[honest silo]

I see.

[unique hemlock]

well there's regular Bismarck.

[eager pumice]

NOT THAT I AM A GOOD DD PLAYER

[steel pier]

at least one. as she is listed as the first of them

[unique hemlock]

That's GOTTA be there, no?

[tiny radish]

smoke IS a godsend

[steel pier]

so again, we can have both as super Ducks

[tiny radish]

one of the reasons I feel smoke + heal is an OP combo

speaking of smokes

[light harbor]

Daring smoke is less effective, but I feel like Daring can have a lot more impact since Burrows is kind of spotted from the moon

[steel pier]

but ijn designs are indeed quite abit of a pickle

[tiny radish]

perth and huanghe are getting heals

oh goody-goody

[light harbor]

Atlanta with heal

[eager pumice]

Daring kind of has the same effect yeah

[tiny radish]

flint with heal too

[unique hemlock]

Flint with heal

[eager pumice]

a little more rigid but also a more competitive ship

[honest silo]

I'm just curious guys.

[jolly shard]

thats why wg put sandy in collection

[eager pumice]

that being said for purely gunning down people
Burrows line

[honest silo]

But IJN Hayate is more a Super Shimakaze-Class or Super Akizuki-Class?

[eager pumice]

the more I play Hughes the more I vibe with it

[light harbor]

I'm not too fond of Osborne having played it

Something about the guns just don't feel good

[sweet latch]

what does the heal matter on Lolanta when you get dev struck with one salvo

[eager pumice]

I mean I just got to Osborne
I

will give it a go and judge it then

[light harbor]

Fair enough

[steel pier]

would say, lack of any visuals, Yamagiri fits quite well

[light harbor]

The ship is fine, but she really doesn't feel as flexible as Hughes does

[steel pier]

Hayate is more a traditional DD, given her normal 12,7cm DD guns

[honest silo]

Hughes is a Sims-Class right?

[light harbor]

Yup

Huh

The more you know

[honest silo]

It's also the second one of the class?

If not wrong.

[honest silo]

I see.

[steel pier]

and Hayate has one launcher less compared to Shima

[sweet latch]

Hayate is when Shima and Gearing have a child and its good

[steel pier]

but since i dont find any drawing of super shima, all i can is speculate abt Yamagiri

[honest silo]

That's interessing.

[light harbor]

What does Gearing have to do with the child of Shimakaze and Harugumo?

[steel pier]

its not abt the ingame stats, its abt how she would have looked

[sweet latch]

Hayate has nothing to do with Harugumo

[honest silo]

That's a good question.

[zealous spoke]

Why have the Carriers become so downgraded or is it something new way to play it?

[eager pumice]

Hmmm
What's a cruiser I seriously don't care about

I want to play something boring

ok actually let me try Nachi

[honest silo]

I see.

[steel pier]

and Hayate looks like an even further designed Yugumo or Kagero, but on a more shima like hull. her bow gives it away

[radiant olive]

hayate is not a bad bote

[steel pier]

and Hayate has not 2 funnels, but one A-shaped, so her torp launchers can sit behind the funnel and not inbetween like previous

[rare schooner]

Randoms

Arden\_Elenduil's Hayate (NA)

Battles: 18
Wins: 72.22% (13/5/0)
Survival: 50.00% (9/9)

Averages

Base EXP: 1 452
Damage: 67 109
Kills: 1.28
Aircraft: 1.00
Spotted: 2.06
Scouting: 71 346
Potential: 540 767

Records

Base EXP: 2 587
Damage: 144 767
Kills: 4
Aircraft: 4
Spotted: 6
Scouting: 272 447
Potential: 2 228 099

Armaments (Kills/Record/Accuracy)

Main Battery: (10/2/53.63%)
Secondaries: (0/0/-)
Torpedoes: (10/3/6.92%)
Depth Charges: (0/0/-)
Aircraft: (0/0/-)
Rams: (0/0/-)

[steel pier]

didnt say that

[sweet latch]

the only real part about Hayate are the guns

[eager pumice]

I realise it's actually been a while since I just played like
a normal T7 cruiser with no gimmick

[light harbor]

No, Hayate has nothing to do with Gearing

[steel pier]

i analyze her design aspects, compared to standard DDs of the IJN

[sweet latch]

Hayate has everything to do with Gearing

[eager pumice]

I basically have been tryharding with the win ships

I used to suck so bad

[steel pier]

and the torpedo tubes. the same as shima basically

[honest silo]

That's nice Arden.

[light harbor]

Hayate is either

• Japanese Gearing or
• Shimakaze and Harugumo blend

She's not a combination of Shimakaze and Gearing in any universe

[muted eagle]

Yeah and Provorny is pure soviet development.

[sweet latch]

its exactly a merge of Gearing and Shima

[steel pier]

and Hayate also has one -to me- unknown radar on her foremast. as opposed to Shimakaze, who has the classic Type 22 Surface Radar

[honest silo]

🤔

[sweet latch]

you get the gun power of Gearing and parts of Shima torps

[light harbor]

Nah

[sweet latch]

Yes

100%

I know the truth hurts

[light harbor]

Hurst?

I can agree that Hayate is a Japanese Gearing but she's not a combination of Shima and Gearing in the slightest

[steel pier]

Lakehurst

[sweet latch]

therer is NOTHING in common Hayate has with Harugumo

ZERO

and I'm not talking about the aircraft

[light harbor]

I know the truth hurts, it's okay to admit you're wrong

[sweet latch]

okday

then tell us

what has Hayate in common with Harugumo

if you know so well

[light harbor]

Size, handling, concealment

[sweet latch]

wrong

wrong

and again wrong

[radiant olive]

the fact that it's japanese 😄

[light harbor]

That too

[sweet latch]

the flag is all it has in common

nothing else

[wraith cape]

Can you explain me where I can do this?

[radiant olive]

it's not active yet

next patch will bring the trade in event

[wraith cape]

Where?

[radiant olive]

or actually hang on

what ship are you talking about

[wind pine]

is bismarck 41 available for public testing?

[radiant olive]

define public testing

[sweet latch]

its out of testing

[wind pine]

as in anyone can test / try it out in the testing env

[radiant olive]

no

[light harbor]

No

[sweet latch]

you buy it then you can test it

[wind pine]

ah i wanted to try it out before buying itt

[tawdry turret]

Bris

[radiant olive]

it'll become available next patch

[tawdry turret]

but its different rarity

[shadow rose]

just play matufel and img if it were fatter

[tawdry turret]

so it doesnt matter

[shadow rose]

and somehow less accurate

[honest silo]

Hey Bremerton.

[shadow rose]

hi andrea

[sweet latch]

just play normal Bisko

[wind pine]

is it good or is it shit like other german bbs

[radiant olive]

those that know can't tell and those that don't, don't

[sweet latch]

Reviews are out

[radiant olive]

oh they are?

[sweet latch]

so those that know already can talk about it

[shadow rose]

uhhhhhhh

[radiant olive]

some that know

not all

[wind pine]

there's an NDA on a fking public test ship?

[sweet latch]

Spoiler - its not gud

[wind pine]

aw rip

[sweet latch]

unlike most german BBs

[opal quarry]

What even is a public test ship?

[radiant olive]

there is no such thing

[wind pine]

something thats already been tested in test realms idk

or do only select ppl get to test them?

[wraith cape]

My game just did an update, and now my Dockyard is gone???

[blazing palm]

The feature will be available from the 4th of June in the Armory

[sweet latch]

only Players part of the ST, CST or CC Programm get access to test ships

[honest silo]

When I play Germam ships in a way or another I end Bismarck'd.

[livid bridge]

Look up CC vids on yt

Thats as much as you will get

[brisk fulcrum]

and privateers such as moderators

[unique hemlock]

They seem fairly similar in size, but Hayate's a bit shorter I think...

(EDIT) No, Hayate's longer than Shimakaze by 9m.

[livid bridge]

Ohio incident highlights why no info on test car

Rah

[radiant olive]

what happened with that?

[shadow rose]

@wind pine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p7PclGIVzo

[opal quarry]

More people

[unique hemlock]

interesting

[shadow rose]

olb is like the only cc i can tolerate anymore

[unique hemlock]

I'll admit this comparison's a bit flawed since I don't have Hayate

[cold geyser]

also the ships might be scaled incorrectly

or something might be taken at an angle

[livid bridge]

WG swapped guns between Ohio and Thunderer just before release and it took like a month before people noticed on live

[radiant olive]

oic

[unique hemlock]

Oh definitely I could have messed up with angle.

[livid bridge]

Thats why Ohio gets warspite dispersion

[sweet latch]

Hayate sits between Khaba and Grozoboy in terms of size

[honest silo]

Hey stevemc.

[unique hemlock]

edited and fixed, thanks for that correction. I didn't know Shiptool had that...

[steel pier]

i do it my way. if i simply put both next to each other. i come to the conclusion its simply a further development. you take all wartime expertise and maybe a shima hull, to have more streamlined design and maybe also more speed. you place the boiler rooms next to each other, so you dont have "funnel-torp-funnel-torp" like previously on Yugumo. then both torpedo launchers are also placed next to each other, while the 2 boiler room uptakes are merged in a typical IJN A-Shape Funnel. guns are the same as with most DDs basically. and yep. so for me, its just the next step in DD evolution. but with experience built into it. and maybe the shima hull, since its maybe sleeker and gives better speed. who knows. this is simply my idea aboot this. i too, dont think Haru and Hayate are really related

[livid bridge]

CC makes version 1 video on test car, that video gets the most views cuz initial hype, if any further correction vid is made, its burried by the algorithm cuz the more views video is recommended first

Ggs

[shadow rose]

biz 41 gets a speed boost

[sweet latch]

yes - in terms of Ship model ist an evolution of the Shima

[shadow rose]

so i may position poorly that much faster

[steel pier]

but also -for me at least- the most logic next evolution step after Yugumo

since Yugumo is the last class, with the standard design. Akizuki has DP guns and Shima was a single ship, for a not completed class

[honest silo]

Tbh outside of Bismarck 1941 I find interessing HMS Prince of Wales.

[sweet latch]

and in terms of Gameplay it mirrors that of Gearing in most parts.
Literally Zero Harugumo infuence in Hayate

[cold geyser]

time to play some shiggy

and probably explode like a shima player 😭

[steel pier]

well. i mostly analyse designs and how IJN DDs evolved, less abt ingame performance

[livid bridge]

🔥

[shadow rose]

what is FBOTO

[sweet latch]

no one tell him about Preussen

which is Ohio just good

FaceBook Odero Terni Orlando

[eager pumice]

And I ended up topping the team

that round was not average enough

I also died weirdly

[sweet latch]

worrying

[eager pumice]

(Context: I'm trying to play a NORMAL T7 cruiser match where I don't carry and get a totally AVERAGE result)

[shadow rose]

fat booty on the ostrich

[eager pumice]

(But I keep getting odd tryhard matches)

ok
T9 game
cool

let's play
super patiently

[sweet latch]

maybe play a more average ship

[cold geyser]

i hate this game

[ancient monolith]

the slumber zombie meta is so boring

I could die of cringe

[cold geyser]

no divs but i in a shigure have to 1v1 a grozovoi on my flank

😭

its literally just a ship diff

[steel pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463427839729733674/1494721233135337482/babymetal-headbang-ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[sweet latch]

vision control the Grozoboy and hope your team does something besides sucking

[shadow rose]

https://tenor.com/view/ratata-baby-metal-babymetal-electriccallboy-ベビーメタル-gif-7416260065688337583

[steel pier]

hoping

thats a big wish you got there

[steel pier]

https://tenor.com/view/babymetal-megitsune-su-metal-yuimetal-moametal-gif-14247103855543042859

[shadow rose]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-gene-wilder-you-must-be-new-here-gif-3545114

[steel pier]

[sweet latch]

clearly everyone would shoot the spotted DD right

RIGHT!

[tawdry turret]

[sweet latch]

[steel pier]

ofc they do.........after you are dead for spotting him

like always

[sweet latch]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-angry-why-so-serious-nimi-z23-gif-19918542

[steel pier]

teammates are enemies in blue/cyan

[vestal oyster]

[sweet latch]

[honest silo]

Not always they are enemy.

Outside if they are sucide rushing.

[steel pier]

you dont get it

[sweet latch]

yeah, maybe you have the W Valpa on your flank

[honest silo]

No.

[shadow rose]

bro i got carried by a valp the other day

it just kept healing

killed everyone

[steel pier]

i rather loose. but i dont need Valpapper help

or better. I dont need Valpapper one-man-show

[sweet latch]

sometimes you win.
Sometimes the red team has the Valpa player

[silver matrix]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rakhi-rakhilukky-rakhivol1-VxrwsCe8gEV9vbhJjx

[steel pier]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fish-ai-cat-ai-gif-gif-12752290148466324996

[plush smelt]

is this real?

[boreal fable]

holy rare matchmaker, no cv, no sub and no dd IN ASIA

[plush smelt]

🥹

no dd is not good

[silver matrix]

any way to know when ships are free on steam ?

[tawdry turret]

ASIA

[plush smelt]

should I create an NA alt

[tawdry turret]

look for discord bots

[sweet latch]

you just missed the last one

[muted ice]

Hey guys, could you recommend any Spanish cruises? I'm still learning

[steel pier]

the rel Strawberry Bongo Cat

[tawdry turret]

Spanish line?

[sweet latch]

since there is only one spanish cruiser line and they are all fine ships just play them

[muted ice]

Yeah

[tawdry turret]

that's the Castilla line

[plush smelt]

you could play them but they're nothing special

[honest silo]

True.

[muted ice]

Ok, merci

[untold thistle]

Honestly, I'm just disappointed in the spanish line

[honest silo]

Hey Cirzoo.

[muted ice]

Well, I just like them

[untold thistle]

Could have been more interesting

[plush smelt]

hello

[plush oxide]

you won't

[muted ice]

It's a bit simple

[untold thistle]

They could be better in all honesty

[muted ice]

Jajajaja, thanks Ig

[untold thistle]

The burst is underwhelming

[sweet latch]

just ignore the burst for like 90% of the times

[scenic osprey]

But this is asia

😔

[untold thistle]

The burst serves 0 purpose

[plush oxide]

gets kind of difficult to justify atp

[sweet latch]

and play them like normal heavy cruiser

[plush oxide]

ignore the main gimmick of the line

[sweet latch]

the guns are fine without

[untold thistle]

There's 0 tangible benefit to using the burst

[light harbor]

I mean at that point you might as well play Henri

Reload booster does the same thing as burst with no downsides

[untold thistle]

You get longer reload if you do

[plush oxide]

hence why the line isn't good

[untold thistle]

Nothing improved

[plush oxide]

and you're better off playing a better line

[untold thistle]

Only just an extra volley

[sweet latch]

Henri line (so far) has no heal at mid tier

[light harbor]

Soon™

[plush oxide]

if you're told off the bat that the main gimmick of the line you want to grind should be avoided in most cases

[minor merlin]

best t9 coal ships?

[plush oxide]

then that line isn't worth playing

[untold thistle]

They're still fine either way

At least from my experience

[light harbor]

You basically only use the burst either when you're disengaging or the enemy is disengaging

Or you can kill the enemy in one burst but that's more rare

[honest silo]

Yeah.

[untold thistle]

The French CA's box of gimmicks work well enough to where you can do well without heals

[sweet latch]

so are the spanish - there is nothing really wrong with them. They are just unwhelming since they are your bog standard heavy cruiser line

[boreal fable]

Okay so I found why asia is so passive... With no cv or sub everybody jsut turbo pushed it was funny

[untold thistle]

I'd honestly get castilla if the burst increased pen or something

[light harbor]

That was her original gimmick

[severe plank]

It used to do that

It made BB players cry so it was removed

[boreal fable]

Get the asia accoutn running bro

[light harbor]

With the burst you could citadel battleships out to max range IIRC

[untold thistle]

And who complained about it?

[plush oxide]

people have proposed that castilla get a slight buff to her burst and some armour improvements since it is a napoli hull but not as dramatic

[honest silo]

What is your opinion guys of HMS Prince of Wales?

[light harbor]

Gee I wonder who

[boreal fable]

Overpriced

[severe plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1347766553516572719/1496896374317383871/true_bbaby_gif.gif

[light harbor]

Whoever decided that we should have a tier 8 KGV with BC dispersion deserves to be fired

KGV already works fine uptiered

[sweet latch]

and cruiser range

[untold thistle]

I wouldn't have minded it as a BB player, hell I'd actually like to see cruisers being a threat with guns that don't rely on fires

[light harbor]

Buffing her was only going to end one way

[minor merlin]

groningen any good?

[boreal fable]

Planes are a big issue and I don't even play bb

[boreal fable]

Best coal premium no diff

[severe plank]

Gron is meh

[plush oxide]

your bog standard DD smoke farmer at tier 9

[boreal fable]

tier 10 isnt premium btw

[minor merlin]

azuma or groningen?

[severe plank]

No torps is a super hard sell

[boreal fable]

gronigen, it's legit peak bro

[light harbor]

There's a couple you tend to respect the AP at mid to close range but they aren't exactly common

[untold thistle]

You have the best dpm in class and you have smoke hydro, that's it really

[plush oxide]

pick what class you play more

there's nothing specifically wrong with either

[boreal fable]

anybody that copes that groningen is bad with the "ooh bad detect, or ooh no torps. is jsut a dog shit player"

[light harbor]

You don't exactly see Marseille in randoms too much

[muted ice]

I'm debating whether or not to get the Spanish line because you don't seem to be giving me very good reasons to do so. Maybe I should try another one

[light harbor]

I mean, if you understand that you have zero counterplay to a bigger ship just walking at you, then you understand why having no torpedoes is a problem

Detect is whatever considering her DPM is so high

[untold thistle]

What do you want, first of all

[boreal fable]

castilla is peak bro

[plush oxide]

trust me my issue with gron is not the lack of torpedoes

that might be one of the last problems with it

very rarely does that get me into trouble

[untold thistle]

Since if you want a spanish ship, the only thing we can recommend is alvaro which costs coal

[light harbor]

Sherman works fine with practically no torpedoes because the SAP can do massive damage to everything

[plush oxide]

it's primarily the concealment and speed

[light harbor]

Groningen is reliant on fires

[plush oxide]

that bugs me

[honest silo]

Oh, ok I see.

[muted ice]

I only want that one cus I'm spanish, nothing special, I've only been for playing two weeks

[sweet latch]

why would you need speed in Grön
you just sit in smoke anyway

[light harbor]

Get Alvaro

[plush oxide]

why would you need speed in a destroyer

[boreal fable]

castilla? its genuine pretty good

[plush oxide]

I wonder

[light harbor]

She's a good pick to learn how to play destroyers on top of being pretty solid otherwise

[plush oxide]

??

hard disagree

[light harbor]

?

[plush oxide]

Alvaro is not a beginner friendly destroyer

[sweet latch]

yeah a 2 week old player should get a T10 coal DD

[severe plank]

There’s also a new Spanish commander coming out and you might want to put him on Alvaro

[sweet latch]

Brilliant

[untold thistle]

A gimmick you rarely use is a ship not worth using imo

[plush oxide]

also he's a new player

[honest silo]

And thanks for before average_atlanta_enjoyer.

[plush oxide]

he needs to learn the game mechanics first

[boreal fable]

I use the gimmick very often and get dev strikes often with it, however even with no burst castilla would be a good solid tier 9 🙏

[sweet latch]

if you are new play the spanish line to t6, see if you like Baleares and then decide if you want to continiue

easiest way

[plush oxide]

I cannot in good conscience recommend the spanish line to anyone much less a new player

[honest silo]

Daring is a good line to learn if not wrong?

[sweet latch]

up to T6 they are normal cruisers with no gimmicks

[severe plank]

Baleares felt like ass to play ngl

[tawdry turret]

jsut let what he want to do

[plush oxide]

note how I said recommend

he can do what he wants

[muted ice]

Well, I'm actually playing with the Galicia, cus I have also practiced with the Italian line, I'll try it

[plush oxide]

but if he wants the best experience

he shouldn't get it

not at least until he's learned the game in and out

and has gotten a few lines

[tawdry turret]

he just wants the Spanish so yea

[muted ice]

If I'm here is because you all know more than me, so it's ok to say what you think, Ig

[sweet latch]

as I said - play till Baleares.

[muted ice]

Okk, mercii

[sweet latch]

then stop and maybe try another line in between

[plush oxide]

that's what I think since you're taking on bulky cruisers with little defensive tools in exchange for a gimmick that is barely usable

[boreal fable]

Personally, as a person that enjoys underrated ships. I think the spanish cruiser line is pure dog shit until the tier 10 which is a genuine solid and good ship

The burst fire gimmick ahs its moments but I jsut wish it had something else like improved ap angles or improved disp when bursting... would be cool

[plush oxide]

castilla isn't a good ship but it can work occasionally

napoli hull without the armour is the trouble however

[hexed escarp]

The one that should get nuked is anyone who pings random people for petty reasons

[little abyss]

Castilla line was nice to grind for having low tier heals

[light harbor]

Also if you're a new player, use IMPACTFORCE if you haven't already

[severe plank]

Won’t be unique anymore

[little abyss]

Sadly will no longer be the case

[boreal fable]

Going 39 kts with flag and decent manouverability along with good guns is pretty good in my opinion

[tawdry turret]

they've been p;aying for 2 weeks iirc

[severe plank]

But playing Asturias was pretty goated

[little abyss]

I will say the burst isn’t as situational as it looks and the high top speed is often overlooked

[light harbor]

Ah

[severe plank]

Even if it was just the heal

[light harbor]

[tawdry turret]

[light harbor]

The tier 9 has Hipper engine syndrome though

[boreal fable]

What is this

[untold thistle]

I enjoyed the pan-ams more in honesty

[edgy marten]

[untold thistle]

Ap only but

[light harbor]

Invite code with a ton of goodies

[muted ice]

I'll, merci

[boreal fable]

COmpletely valid take, san amrtin best crooooser in the game negative diff

[severe plank]

New player only code where they get a bunch of resources and a free boise

[tawdry turret]

it's outdated for you

[untold thistle]

They're nice to use with the f key

[tawdry turret]

because you've played for 2 weeks

[little abyss]

Pan Ams are kinda rough early tbh

[light harbor]

SM line's tier 7 is garbage

[plush oxide]

mmm

[silver matrix]

whcih one ?

[livid bridge]

T6 is goated, T7 is ew

[honest silo]

I honestly would never grind the Pan American ships.

[tawdry turret]

Marblehead

[plush oxide]

pan ams are good dont get me wrong but i wouldnt give them to a new player

[livid bridge]

Rest is gud

[sweet latch]

Marblehead

[little abyss]

Radar isn’t conceal matching, the F key doesn’t actually get you to your next heal, you don’t have usable torps earlier either

[livid bridge]

T7 of the Pan Am line very 🥀

[tawdry turret]

its good but its not newbie-friendly

not at all

[little abyss]

Dpm is lacking

[muted ice]

chst

[little abyss]

San Martin is ridiculously comfortable though

[severe plank]

Also teaches new players very bad habits if they pick them as the first line

[plush oxide]

recommending a new player to play ships without one of the primary ammo types and a giant citadel expecting them to learn the f key gimmick is not what I would do

[sweet latch]

the only Pan Am I kinda enjoyed was the T6

[honest silo]

I'm just curious guys.

[sweet latch]

everything else was crap

[honest silo]

Are soviet cruiser good?

[light harbor]

The tier 8 and 9 are alright

I wish the conceal on them was better but they were playable

[untold thistle]

The petro line is very good

[sweet latch]

zero dpm, the angels suck the gimmick is just to stay alive and suffer more

[blazing palm]

Which ones are you interested in?

[sweet latch]

worst line by far

[boreal fable]

If you play the ship how it wants to be played and find those broadsides, it's genuine not bad at allll

[lusty lagoon]

feels like everything teaches me bad habits atp

xd

[honest silo]

Both tbh.

[boreal fable]

literally the best cruiser line in the game negative diff

[severe plank]

Yeah because everything coming out is a gimmicked out boat

[honest silo]

I see and thanks.

[plush oxide]

neither is true

[muted ice]

Well guys, I have to go, thanks to you all for the recommendations, see ya!!

[boreal fable]

Is true

[sweet latch]

if you enjoy playing the damage sponge more power to you

[boreal fable]

best = funnest, san amrtin is the funnest ship

[sweet latch]

my expectation of a cruiser line is something else

[eager pumice]

Can't
Get
A
Normal
T7 GAME

[plush oxide]

the more I played san martin the more I felt powerless to do things

[boreal fable]

but its genuine GOOD as well

[plush oxide]

switched to Moskva and had a grandiose time

[eager pumice]

I win, again
but this time there's a weird enemy Hood who seems highly mechanically competent but only shoots at me

[untold thistle]

That sucks yeah, been there in NA servers

[boreal fable]

How? you can comfortably 1v1 some bbs

just because of the funky gimmick

[plush smelt]

you can?

[sweet latch]

no you can't

[blazing palm]

They are both good lines, just Nevsky is more damage focused, and the Petro line is about the map control and positioning

[boreal fable]

I have

[honest silo]

I honestly think I will never grind Pan American ships.

[severe plank]

Longest 1v1 ever in that case

[plush oxide]

you're not 1v1ing anyone anyway

[plush smelt]

it's a stalemate

u dont kill him he doesnt kill you

[honest silo]

I see and thanks.

[eager pumice]

Oh I'm performing fine, if not a bit above average
It's more that I can't get a match that showcases a normal way to play a damage cruiser (aka most basic gameplay)

[plush smelt]

ig if u land some torps but like no fires

[boreal fable]

If you kite and just spam you can beat even something like a yamato (not bungo you die to bungo in two salvoes)

[shadow rose]

ill 1v1 ur mum (shes a bb)

[untold thistle]

Fair

[plush oxide]

first thing you do in san martin is get spotted radar the DD do like 2000 damage to them and then they leave and then you get lit up by every ship in the vicinity and have to make the decision to shoot back or go undetected

[plush smelt]

switch to EU

[honest silo]

And I think this would be the only 3 Pan American ships I would only have in game.

[boreal fable]

Why are you only doing 2000 dmg to the dd... are we playing the same san martin?

[plush oxide]

its a constant balance act

[plush oxide]

oh yeah i'm playing against competent DDs

don't know which ones you are fighting

[untold thistle]

Asian

[boreal fable]

when is taht tier 8 premium pan am crooser coming back to store

[untold thistle]

He's fighting asia players

[boreal fable]

with the wannabe austin gimmick

[tawdry turret]

grau?

in a few patches

[honest silo]

Nueve de Julio?

[tawdry turret]

t8 is grau

[sweet latch]

you overpen DDs
you bounce everything else - such a fun line

[boreal fable]

ah so... it'll take a while

[honest silo]

Ah, ok.

[tawdry turret]

i got it right just before it left

was fun

[round valley]

I am kinda sad they are taking away Assym battles for a while. It was the only way a CV driver like myself could get anywhere with carriers. AA is overpowered - a T8 cv at least had a chance at decent XP/Credits/etc.

[plush oxide]

while you are busy richocheting or overpenning DDs enemy battleships will already have citadeled you twice

[plush smelt]

im 2% away from golden clasp man it's so close

[honest silo]

But yeah I would just keep those 3 Pan American ships I have and never get another one also of the Tech Tree.

[plush oxide]

oh my god pop the heal and that health is gonna last you less time than it would if you had better survivability

[sweet latch]

and then you miss a few salvos and your F-Key progression is lost

[little abyss]

You get like one salvo where the dd is angled as it’s turning away where your shells will fuse

[plush smelt]

and i immediately get ocean in a salem

ggs

[tawdry turret]

try the funny button on the grau

[honest silo]

Nah.

[little abyss]

Rest is overpens

[plush oxide]

it's woefully insufficient

[silver matrix]

i got it , but i dont use USA ships so its sitting there, 🫠 , what discord bots ping for free steam ships ?

[little abyss]

You do have dd dispersion though so missing tends to be Skissue

[honest silo]

I don't really like that much Pan American ships.

[tawdry turret]

idek

[little abyss]

Especially in SM

[plush oxide]

san martin has near perfect stealth radar just to spite DDs

[honest silo]

And the Nueve de Julio I have is a port queen from years that I never used tbh _Kowatori.

[boreal fable]

Okay but realistically if you shoot like pretty low you're only overpenning shimas

[honest silo]

A part also my Valparaiso is for the major a Port Queen.

[sweet latch]

and too flat ballsitics to farm from island cover

[boreal fable]

I genuine don't know what you guys are talking about I always smash the dds

[tawdry turret]

Nueve is actually Boise clone

[honest silo]

Yeah, I know.

[plush oxide]

you're fighting the worst DD players in the history of DD players if what you're saying is true

because it doesnt take half a brain to negate 95% of the damage SM does

[little abyss]

Face checking a dd and they immediately start turning out

They’re already 5 seconds into their turn by the time they’re spotted

[tawdry turret]

you'll probably going to get around 5k-6k before the DD actually leaves

so yes

[little abyss]

Another 3 seconds for shell travel time

[plush oxide]

that's being generous

[boreal fable]

The thing is that I always push alongside a dd, and they get spotted by the dd and turn out, then I radar then and they're broadside

[tawdry turret]

maybe even an early kill

[tawdry turret]

i know

[boreal fable]

???

[plush oxide]

that's gonna get you killed very fast by enemy battleships

[little abyss]

I’d say I average 6-8k when face checking a DD

[plush oxide]

you're risking a cruiser for radaring a DD you wouldn't be able to damage effectively

[tawdry turret]

sometimes being a masochist gets you things

[honest silo]

But I prefer much more Pan European, Commonwealth, Japan, Pan-Asia, Italy, United Kingdom, Germany, France, Netherlands and Spain shps over Pan American ships tbh _Kowatori.

[plush oxide]

now imagine you have a torp boat on your flank

[sonic onyx]

ur just wrong btw

[plush oxide]

what is that radar gonna do except give your DD info

[sonic onyx]

actual skill issue self report

[boreal fable]

What.

[tawdry turret]

i mean use the detect radius

to spot their DD after they spot you

[plush oxide]

listen

[tawdry turret]

with the radar

[plush oxide]

I can confidently tell you

if SM had 9.5 conceal

it would be completely shit

[tawdry turret]

but it has 9.1

[plush oxide]

they needed to give it stealth radar

[honest silo]

I'm just curious guys.

[tawdry turret]

and her radar is 9

[plush oxide]

because of how poor the balancing is it's on a knifes edge

[honest silo]

What the Pan American ships have of good over the other nation tech tree and premium ships?

[plush oxide]

if it had even 0.2km worse than that it wouldnt be playable

[wheat cobalt]

San Martan peak cruiser

one of my all time fav

🛐

[tawdry turret]

SM the CL that can be a sub-tank

[plush oxide]

I used to like playing SM until recently when I learned that playing a glorified damage sponge wasnt fun

[tawdry turret]

Libertad the 2ndary brawler

both has funny buttons

[sonic onyx]

just play better

[wheat cobalt]

SM is fun if you know where to find broadsides

dmg goes brrrr

• ppl struggle to kill you

[tawdry turret]

yea it can generate a lot of dmg

[wheat cobalt]

if you don't mismanage your F key

[sonic onyx]

if i can crank out 125k avg its not that bad of a damage output

[wheat cobalt]

me when

what was it

80% pen/cit recovery

[sweet latch]

and even if you do a lot of damage it just doesn't feel rewarding

[sweet latch]

I wish I would be wrong

[sonic onyx]

i know you arent doing any damage

[plush oxide]

if only they could properly balance pan am ships

[sonic onyx]

mr red ops player

[unique hemlock]

I just find the thing so weird I deadass want one.

[sonic onyx]

ur wrong because you dont know how to use islands properly

[sweet latch]

sure cutie

[boreal fable]

So we're comparing all the bad shell arcs together to determine san amrtin has better shell arcs than a boat with terrible shell arcs... cool

nice

[sonic onyx]

the shell arc difference is not that drastic that it makes islands unusable

learn to position

[unique hemlock]

I have Ignacio Allende rn (Tier VIII)

[livid bridge]

Who cares about 9,1km conceal tbh, rudder slot 5 🔥

[sonic onyx]

its not a nevsky

[honest silo]

I see, so nothing of special?

[plush oxide]

they're SM players

[tawdry turret]

they have the funny button

[honest silo]

Alright.

[tawdry turret]

that makes them stupid

[honest silo]

Yeah, not for me for sure.

[livid bridge]

True, they are very handsome

And propably succesful in life

[boreal fable]

oh my guh bottom 20% of cruisers for flight time, no ways

[wheat cobalt]

the line has the worst consumable reload of all cruisers
but with combat instructions active it has the best consumable reload
they also heal a lot of dmg dealt to them

[livid bridge]

The avarege San Martin player is at like at least 200k a year income

[sweet latch]

yeah - flatter shells then you would have on other 6"

[sonic onyx]

I'm unemployed but thanks for the compliment

[boreal fable]

I wish this were true

[plush oxide]

must be why everyone plays it

[livid bridge]

A fake one smh

[honest silo]

I see.

But yeah I think they wouldn't work for me.

[boreal fable]

bremen, yodo

[wheat cobalt]

the line also has only AP only

[sonic onyx]

so how does this make it bad at island farming

[honest silo]

Ah, didn't know that.

[sonic onyx]

i can find plenty of island spots

that are perfectly usable for sm

[plush oxide]

ships with 1 ammo type only are just poorly designed ships

[boreal fable]

Minotaur is poor designed :(

[river dune]

the humble radar ambush minotaur deleting your dd at the start of the game:

[plush oxide]

naming possibly the only one ship that might be the slightest exception

[sonic onyx]

allegedly according to some guy on this discord radar mino is broken and it shouldn't get stealth radar

[livid bridge]

Wows techtree releases honestly peaked with San Martin

We didnt have anything better since

[shell temple]

Thor is the greatest addition to wows

[light harbor]

Mino is actually broken because GP__1 plays it

We should nerf GP__1

[river dune]

the humble i56 with SAP only

[plush smelt]

is radar mino actually good

[unique hemlock]

San Martin gets probably the most powerful 6” AP shell in the game with a good ballistic and penetration, but also a pretty long fuse meaning you’re gonna be overpenning some ships more than other 6” guns (such as destroyers). She also loses out on DPM her “”sister”” gets (notably longer reload than Worcester).

Oh and also improved pen angles even beating Des Moines.

[honest silo]

For the rest you guys don't suggest Pan American ships?

[light harbor]

...are you just quoting Yuro's video?

[unique hemlock]

Bruh you’re kidding me he made a San Martin video

[light harbor]

That's almost word-for-word what he says in the video

[boreal fable]

the only thing san martin gets countered by is bungo... on multiple ocassions, oh and cvs

cvs coutner everything

god I ahte cvs

[sonic onyx]

do you have hands

actually

[light harbor]

san martin gets countered by is bungo
Eh, she blows up to any 30mm overmatch battleship

[sonic onyx]

if you dont have hands just dont play mino

[shell temple]

what are hands

[boreal fable]

yes but any 30mm overmatch bb doesnt get elbing disp

[shell temple]

I play wows by rolling my face across my keyboard

[light harbor]

This is true

[sonic onyx]

the purpose designed cruiser deleter will smash a cruiser? who coild have seen that coming

[boreal fable]

san marty is ncie bcs its so thin so bow tanking is lowkey just nice to reduce shell volume, however bungo stacking 8/10 on that 4 pixel wide bow isnt funny bruh

[shell temple]

:()

Bungo fuzing 10 overmatching shells on some poor cruiser

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[boreal fable]

I know right, waht has this world come to

[shell temple]

Cruisers are so weak

trust

[boreal fable]

I jsut nearly dev struck a minotaur in my san marty

However before I could a bungo stacked 7 shells on my bow and left me on 1000 hp

so yeah... thats nice

[shell temple]

[boreal fable]

I hit him for 12k

[eager pumice]

AVERAGE
ASIA
T9
SUICIDE RUSHERS

[boreal fable]

twice

[honest silo]

Wow nice.

[shell temple]

Actually I take back my earlier statement that cruisers are weak

[eager pumice]

This is what I mean

[unique hemlock]

I swear I didn’t know. I was just looking at stats last week and researching how the line worked after getting Allende and failing my way through Colonel Bolognesi.

[eager pumice]

I can't play a normal T7 cruiser game on Asia

[shell temple]

Cruisers are actually very strong because we need a line of BBs tailor made to counter them

[eager pumice]

I end up averaging like 80k damage or something idiotic

[boreal fable]

hey thats true

[light harbor]

Huh

[unique hemlock]

-# Dammit subway WiFi

[eager pumice]

because it's impossible to get an Asia team that isn't suicide rush crazy

[light harbor]

Reality do be that way sometimes I suppose

[eager pumice]

and every game is tryhard

[unique hemlock]

Let’s just say I kept blowing up in Bolognesi and crashed out.

[light harbor]

Understandable

She's a piece of junk

[unique hemlock]

So I did rage research like “HOW DO YOU WORK THIS DAMN LINE”

[boreal fable]

I'm pretty srue there's loads actually... vermont, bungo, montana, colombo, colombo, colombo

[boreal fable]

The pan am croooosers?

[unique hemlock]

Yamato?

[unique hemlock]

Yeah.

[light harbor]

Monty?

[boreal fable]

Nah yamato is built for gutting other bbs

[light harbor]

Since when does Monty hard-counter cruisers?

[unique hemlock]

I got Ipiranga already

[boreal fable]

I happen to really lvoe that ling, basically you...

iparanga?

Hmm

That's not a croooser

[serene chasm]

What do yall to be considered poaching when it comes to plants

[unique hemlock]

I honestly like the dodging playstyle with Allende more than the secondary spam of Ipiranga.

[shell temple]

Montana hard counters everything

[plush smelt]

another day of getting fucked by a sub

[unique hemlock]

I never really liked secondary ships honestly…

[shell temple]

[unique hemlock]

They’re fun to play, sure, but I would rather something like Alabama over Ipiranga.

[shell temple]

I will buy myself a sub for steel now 😎

[serene chasm]

Vincent

[boreal fable]

Same brother, with the san martussy line you just rush in spot dd, SMASH HIM for like 5k honestly then ktie and lsoe all your hp and just turbo farm the enemies until you get your f key and get all your hp back

[unique hemlock]

Because Main Battery guns and big-ass damage numbers.

[honest silo]

Hey miles.

[serene chasm]

Vincent kinda just melts bbs and massacres cruisers

[shell temple]

poor vincent being forgotten despite still being so stupid 😭

[serene chasm]

Hi

[serene chasm]

Fr

[boreal fable]

lowkey anti bb boat more than anti crooser

at least the way people HE spam in it, despite the short fuse ap

[plush smelt]

cuz it got nerfed to shit

[unique hemlock]

• walk in
• spot DD
• bully DD
• get melted
• unmelt, literally
• repeat

[serene chasm]

Use the AP

[honest silo]

For the rest better I keep Rio de Jainero, Nueve de Julio and Valparaiso as Port Queen?

[boreal fable]

exactly

[light harbor]

You do need to HE spam against enemy battleships in her usually

[boreal fable]

you get it

[light harbor]

The AP mostly murderizes cruisers

[serene chasm]

I run SHAP furious and it basically hard counters he spam cruisers