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boreal fable
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Goodluck

tawdry turret
rustic hearth
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asdf

whole meteor
unique hemlock
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Archerfish or Shikishima?

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-# (This is probably gonna be biased against Archer lol) Dashaha

untold thistle
rustic hearth
vague cedar
unique hemlock
light harbor
rustic hearth
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ragnar

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nayterii would be loving this
Vallejo

untold thistle
rustic hearth
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is mecklenburger fun

vague cedar
unique hemlock
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dammit

vague cedar
rustic hearth
untold thistle
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don't be a coward and put all steel ships you don't own there

rustic hearth
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i bet hes gonna get willem

untold thistle
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@unique hemlock don't be a coward and put all steel ships on the wheel

hexed escarp
lament birch
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mmmm almost done with my season overview noice ssrna

rustic hearth
lucid wagon
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jager player using guns>

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impossible!

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time for me to gamble which T10 i play

untold thistle
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you don't have hydro but you do have smoke radar

rustic hearth
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no its fully bad
i will explode playing it

untold thistle
light harbor
untold thistle
rustic hearth
untold thistle
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lmao

rustic hearth
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the wheel has spoken

untold thistle
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32mm bow plating so yeah

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better than duncan

rustic hearth
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its the cooler duncan

unique hemlock
rustic hearth
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now go buy archerfish

light harbor
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Get Z-42 instead

unique hemlock
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aight I'ma be a sub dog Dashaha

lucid wagon
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bro im not playing ts ๐Ÿ˜ญ

unique hemlock
rustic hearth
untold thistle
rustic hearth
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thats what im doing

unique hemlock
untold thistle
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FDR in today's e sex dominance

unique hemlock
untold thistle
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too bad

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you get dunked on by fighter drops

muted eagle
rustic hearth
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but if if you hit the jackpot and get matched with a malta in fdr

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you can unleash misery to all bbs

lucid wagon
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yes i just gotta hope one of the 8 malta players

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are online

rustic hearth
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just hire a paid actor

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shrimple

muted eagle
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How i do keep going?

whole meteor
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chat feast or famine

untold thistle
whole meteor
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he didnt

untold thistle
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too bad

whole meteor
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guh

untold thistle
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nobody's playing flank for you huh

whole meteor
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i pull the craziest 10 line push

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watch me cook

untold thistle
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can't feast like that ngl

eager pumice
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Keep saving steel for Steel Fleet

rustic hearth
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the last feast

whole meteor
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i force the feast

unique hemlock
eager pumice
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Valpa, Hawaii, Bremen and Aki have all been worthwhile investments for me in theory

untold thistle
eager pumice
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I have like a million EXP on some of them already

rustic hearth
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i need to start feasting with my RI

unique hemlock
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I ain't getting her though lol

untold thistle
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508s are pretty good and you get better than heavy cruiser conceal

unique hemlock
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Only reason I called her "flimsy" is because EVERY DAMN TIME I get matched with or against an Incomparable, they send an all chat message complaining about their shell dispersion.

rustic hearth
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seems fitting for na

untold thistle
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and skill issue

whole meteor
unique hemlock
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bruh I spun it and got Incomp again lol

whole meteor
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the force begins

untold thistle
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if the shells land short then sure, arty bug

untold thistle
unique hemlock
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Austin

vague cedar
untold thistle
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why even spin the wheel if you're not going to get the bote

eager pumice
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(You're never gonna get the side citadel)

rustic hearth
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i barely see a libertad nowdays

unique hemlock
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This is hard-earned stuff and I really don't wanna repeat goofing up with Shinano Dashaha

whole meteor
untold thistle
eager pumice
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Also people have no real attachment to such a ship

unique hemlock
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I'm frankly worried because this steel took forever to get.

untold thistle
whole meteor
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???????

tawdry turret
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im still running low on steel

untold thistle
whole meteor
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IDK

untold thistle
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you weren't losing in the last ss

whole meteor
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IM A ONE MAN ARMY ON THIS FLANK

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AND WE ARE LOSING

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????

unique hemlock
rustic hearth
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that looks oddly asia

untold thistle
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afk jb

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anyways

whole meteor
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i need to retake D

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anyways

untold thistle
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back to playing crappy visual novels while EU is ded

tiny radish
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could be anywhere tbh

pliant relic
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drop tactical nuke

tiny radish
# whole meteor ???????

back when my clan ran MM monitor more often, id classify their MM as "curry" if the players are terrible

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(sea of red and orange)

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with some variations depending on actual color

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full-on red: tomato juice, butter chicken

unique hemlock
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I called Pioneer "aggressivelyBrit" in this because I forgot she wasn't actually Dashaha

tiny radish
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yellow: lentil curry

eager pumice
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On seeing that everything was solid red upon my return, I just got rid of MM monitor

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Not worth the depression

scenic osprey
whole meteor
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idk

tiny radish
unique hemlock
whole meteor
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our split lost a gunfight to a la pampa

tawdry turret
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wth

unique hemlock
eager pumice
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I get more enjoyment playing with no expectations

whole meteor
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we are getting BB DIFFED AGAIN

unique hemlock
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Z-42 I couldn't come up with anything since I literally don't know that ship at all.

whole meteor
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WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE BB DIFF

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??????????????

unique hemlock
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just kill them harder

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like, come on man

naive olive
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oh

eager pumice
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My only other loss was in a T8 match where our 3 T8 BBs couldn't stop a single Vladivostok rushing our spawn

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And the Vladi was a 48%er too

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This playerbase is so bad that you can't write off any match since people are just actively trying to lose on both sides

tawdry turret
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we're comparing it to Serie A now lmao

tawdry turret
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you just have to figure out who ( not difficult )

eager pumice
unique hemlock
jolly shard
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wha what

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@trail salmon is muted

unique hemlock
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what the hell happened now

tawdry turret
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shouldn't he be sleeping

lucid wagon
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Permanent mute

tawdry turret
whole meteor
jolly shard
eager pumice
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And yet when I look at my stats in the long-ish term I am indeed low unicum at worst and winning high 50-mid 60% solo

jolly shard
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oh yea it was

eager pumice
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It's just

jolly shard
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i flagged it

eager pumice
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Everyone else is bad so I don't know if I've gotten better

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What was once blue
Today is purple

unique hemlock
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I'm a flat 50-51%er at this point, which is barely above average on NA

lucid wagon
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Its avg

unique hemlock
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Recent win rate is a disaster though Dashaha

lucid wagon
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52% is good

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55% is very good or smth

tawdry turret
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i'm 46% ovr Stronge

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am so bad redsDamn

jolly shard
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great no more hen gif too
or that yari slop

whole meteor
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๐Ÿ’€

untold thistle
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you can climb out of it eventually

eager pumice
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part of being an improving WoWs player is watching your old gameplay and going "how was I this stupid"

unique hemlock
tawdry turret
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and then you play the very same ships you've made mistakes long ago

whole meteor
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its cooked

untold thistle
tawdry turret
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๐Ÿฅ€

whole meteor
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we just lose cuz theres a ksc krem

unique hemlock
unique hemlock
untold thistle
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NA is alive?

tawdry turret
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no

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actually

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maybe

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its their midnight rn

light harbor
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NA is undead

eager pumice
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Two of the Boises I was fighting are bots

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The third is so bad that he looks like a bot but he is human

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Though this is a bit more forgivable because he is probably new

tawdry turret
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I met a Riga that doesnt fire but still radars, same thing, rushes in cap and sit there to radar

whole meteor
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im being farmed by the double haru smoke div

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skull

eager pumice
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He's not blindly spamming he just sucks

light harbor
eager pumice
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I genuinely gunned him down in the open with a DD

whole meteor
eager pumice
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The other two are bots though

untold thistle
eager pumice
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But they're human, definitely

light harbor
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I do find it funny that we can say someone's skill level is equivalent to icecreams_ and everyone gets it immediately

eager pumice
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icecreams_ was sub coop bot somehow

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I don't know how

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The issue was not starting out that bad but doubling down on it

untold thistle
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nobody outside of discord will get it

untold thistle
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i'm liking the french cruisers

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nothing like speed

hybrid whale
light harbor
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Nothing

untold thistle
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icecreams hasn't played wows in 3 days

light harbor
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They've not said anything for 4(?) days now

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Eh, close enough for government work

untold thistle
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nvm, she did 12 hours ago

tawdry turret
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no longer our thing

lucid wagon
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Icecreams is not that bad

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NA supersoldiers Footgoo and Cash1942 make her or him look fine

light harbor
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She's on their level of skill roughly

tawdry turret
lofty gorge
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I'm having a hard time figuring out Zara, How am I meant to play this ship?

whole meteor
whole meteor
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:]

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๐Ÿค‘

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ok ive had my wows today

lofty gorge
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So far my time with the Zara has been horrible

untold thistle
whole meteor
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zara

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:[

lofty gorge
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Hope so because man

sleek igloo
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cherbourg

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๐Ÿ—ฟ

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30 sec reload

rare schoonerBOT
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Found 1 build for Alliance!

Source Document: wo.ws/builds

sleek igloo
untold thistle
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I forget there are coop mains in wows

minor merlin
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ocean better than malta?

eager pumice
untold thistle
whole meteor
tawdry turret
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whats with coop mains ruh

eager pumice
# whole meteor what does this mean

As in
I'm fine with people being coop mains or PVE mains if it's what they feel they can enjoy/manage

As opposed to them going to randoms to rush mid

whole meteor
minor merlin
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is malta even good still?

eager pumice
hybrid whale
eager pumice
cunning lichen
minor merlin
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idk i got malta because it looked nice

cunning lichen
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Ocean gonna be the worst T10 CV in a sec

rustic hearth
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i wouldnt say worst

cunning lichen
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What would be worse?

minor merlin
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is oceans specialty just having jets?

rustic hearth
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hm

minor merlin
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didnt midway use to have jets?

rustic hearth
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perhaps midway

minor merlin
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at least in the cv tutorial vid it did

rustic hearth
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its still in a more sorry spot

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ocean still has the advantage of jets

cunning lichen
rustic hearth
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the main nerf is to its torpedo bombers

minor merlin
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nakhimov?

rustic hearth
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if i recall the jets didnt get affected

minor merlin
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what was the change?

cunning lichen
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Ocean as it is now

rustic hearth
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true

cunning lichen
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Genuinely feels like it's on the verge of being deplaned if you misplay even once

minor merlin
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#nerfshinano

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actually

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just ban anyone who plays shinano

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problem solved

cunning lichen
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You lose that torp squad then you're going to be sitting around a lot

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And with the nerf

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It's even moreso

rustic hearth
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fair point

minor merlin
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is audacious good now?

cunning lichen
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The jets are cool but you can't cycle them like Essex can

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Nor do you start with them as Essex does

cunning lichen
river dune
cunning lichen
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Well

honest silo
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Good morning guys.

cunning lichen
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It can be

honest silo
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Hey NoBrainZao.

cunning lichen
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Hi

river dune
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you have to wait for jets to regen, audacious constantly has access to its rockets and dive bombs

honest silo
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Hey AFKaveman.

river dune
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it's definitely better than ocean post-nerf

honest silo
cunning lichen
honest silo
cunning lichen
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Your alpha strike is worse than Audacious

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Yes

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Truly a smart plan

rustic hearth
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welp

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time to invest in audacious

rustic hearth
cunning lichen
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If you lose a full squad of torp planes be it to fighters or just high tier AA then you're just kind of gimped for a good portion of the match

minor merlin
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when do we get the coal discounts back?

minor merlin
cunning lichen
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God forbid we have a CV that does exactly that

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Essex being the most popular CV

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And got buffed due to fighter changes

radiant olive
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Mornin' lads

cunning lichen
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You lose your torp squad and you will be literally unable to play the game

minor merlin
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ah

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idk but ocean looks really easy for the enemy cv to nuke

cunning lichen
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Not only do you have less of them now, but you do an even worse alpha strike than Audacious which doesnt even have a high alpha strike on torps to begin with.

hybrid whale
honest silo
vital jay
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Asyms aren't showing as a viable gamemode for dockyard....did they nerf this

cedar raft
honest silo
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I did finish different Mission in Asymmetrics with no problems.

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Hey amelia_kaho.

vital jay
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The ones that I have been working on this entire time in Asyms now don't show as a option. Just wondering if I just got shadowed nerfed

severe plank
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some missions you can't even complete in asymm

vital jay
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It was ones I was already completing

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No mission in the Dockyard is allowing Asyms

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at least for me

honest silo
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Hey Snorti_Boi.

rough oriole
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not sure why, but the main guns feel more accurate lately cryes

honest silo
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Nice.

cedar raft
prisma dagger
rough oriole
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main gun build on Bismarck seems OK for the current random games

severe plank
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bismarck is meant for main gun build

honest silo
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Yeah I agree.

sick cargo
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the german bb main line is main guns baiting you to build secondaries

rough oriole
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if they could give it 1.9 sigma that would be perfect

severe plank
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no no please build for secondaries so we could farm you

sick cargo
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while the actual secondaries line is the alternate line

sick cargo
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hi andrea

wheat cobalt
honest silo
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I honestly built my Preussen following the Tank build.

wheat cobalt
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when Libertad exists

honest silo
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Hey Polish.

wheat cobalt
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and Adalbert even

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alo

radiant olive
sick cargo
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imagine grinding for schlieffen

rough oriole
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well, I got the premium schiliffen and use it to farm in operations XDDD

severe plank
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sniffens have terrible side armor

sick cargo
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just prem schlieffen, the final money printer

severe plank
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I obliterate them with marseille

radiant olive
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@honest silo btw, it took me 4 games to go from the cachalot to the salmon Halsey

onyx sundial
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anyone else excited for super columbo?

hybrid whale
zenith sun
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only supership i'll be excited for will be a japanese ca or cl every nation has a cruiser ss

severe plank
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super zao cool

sick cargo
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does super zao have elbing dispersion

severe plank
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does super zao have 50% fire chance

zenith sun
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will it have 10km sub radar

radiant olive
sick cargo
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zao has dd dispersion, so naturally super zao has to have improved dd dispersion

sweet latch
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you know super Zao is already in dev
Kurama

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literally just a copy Zao

sick cargo
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oh god it sounds like a sniper

zenith sun
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looks like it from the guns

sweet latch
radiant olive
sweet latch
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11km range in alternative fire mode

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when you get outranged by secondaries

zenith sun
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nice sap irresistible now

wheat cobalt
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oooz

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test ship yap

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my fav

sleek igloo
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guys do you have tech tree suggestion

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for ranked

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I play cruisers and bb

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๐Ÿฅบ

river dune
sleek igloo
wheat cobalt
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soviet bbs

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pan american bbs

sleek igloo
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okay

wheat cobalt
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maybe german bbs

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but idk

eager pumice
# sleek igloo t7-t10 maybe

T8: Baltimore (especially when it gets heals), Vladivostok, Ipiranga

T9: Manteuffel, Los Andes (tbh you don't really want to be anything else in the current T9 environment given how fixed the T9 meta is AKA Valpa)

west scaffold
sleek igloo
sweet latch
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no

west scaffold
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scharnhorst 43 is way better

sweet latch
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its not

sleek igloo
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two ansers

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๐Ÿ’€ ๐Ÿ’€

sweet latch
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not even close

west scaffold
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the best ship for t7 ranked

sweet latch
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is Gneisenau

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the END

west scaffold
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gneisenau's guns couldn't hit a dd from 4km

sleek igloo
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๐Ÿคฃ

sweet latch
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its the same dispersion you moron

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what are you coping

west scaffold
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but triple mounts perform better because more volume

sleek igloo
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what should be my minimum captain level for ranked ๐Ÿ’€

severe plank
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18

west scaffold
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when there is a nelson or something easy to cit in front of you you'll wish you were in scharnhorst

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otherwiser get ready to gamble

sweet latch
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you can overmatch Nelson with Gneisenau

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you can't with Scharn

west scaffold
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you can

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i did it

sweet latch
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you can't

severe plank
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me when I lie

sweet latch
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are you really that dumb

west scaffold
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maybe not overmatch but you can get funny cit angles

sweet latch
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Scharn has no improved pen angles either

west scaffold
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as if you're gonna hit someones bow with gneis

severe plank
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is german bb main synonymous with brain degradation?

sweet latch
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so at whatever angle you cit a Nelson with Scharn you do the same with Gneisenau

west scaffold
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no because the shells will miss

sweet latch
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Gneiseanau dispersion is the second best at the tier FFS

tawdry turret
sweet latch
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only BCs have better dispersion

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holy fuck man

severe plank
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is this a case of less shells = bad?

west scaffold
sweet latch
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Just telling your lying ass the truth

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NO ONE has better dispersion outside BCs

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or Russians if you are really close

west scaffold
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gneisenau is a battleship

sweet latch
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yes

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with standard dispersion

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which is the best dispersion outside BC dispersion

tawdry turret
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the more or less sigma you'll be more accurate

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i furgur Thinkge

west scaffold
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not in my experience

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gneisen au dispersion is like lazy eye

woven marsh
sweet latch
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maybe GIT GUT

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because facts are facts

west scaffold
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show me statistics

sweet latch
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I just did
it has standard dispersion

radiant olive
woven marsh
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What are we talking about?

west scaffold
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you just told me

sweet latch
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and Russians close range

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I said that already

severe plank
woven marsh
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Gneisenau has normal BB disp

west scaffold
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having an argument on here is like talking to brick

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"you're wrong so git gud"

severe plank
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pot calling kettle black

radiant olive
sweet latch
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I include Arkhangelsk in the BC bracket

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since its the only IRL BB that has BC dispersion

radiant olive
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Ok, because that thing is deffo not a bc

sweet latch
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its ingame

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it has BC plating

radiant olive
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Doesn't make it a battlecruiser

sweet latch
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ingame it does

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a BC ingame is defined by its dispersion and armor

radiant olive
sweet latch
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nothing else

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IRL definition don't matter ingame

blazing palm
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Good morning

radiant olive
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Speed is literally THE most important aspect of a battlecruiser

sweet latch
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because BC isn't even clearly defined IRL

radiant olive
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Ok, so what is tennessee then

hexed escarp
sweet latch
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ahh yes the T7 Wisconsin

sweet latch
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since it has BB plating

raw skiff
west scaffold
woven marsh
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10 I see is a BB

west scaffold
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i didn't think speed was important

radiant olive
molten summit
blazing palm
honest silo
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Hey CastorTolagi.

raw skiff
honest silo
molten summit
severe plank
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michel B when

blazing palm
boreal fable
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I need a div mate that speaks english bro

radiant olive
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The only ship more broken than nikolai at the tier is the ark beta

raw skiff
sweet latch
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no T2-4 drop from santa boxes

river dune
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yes but nikolai used to

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and i'm pretty sure albert did too

sweet latch
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a long time ago

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yes

opaque latch
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One of the most broken ships tier for tier, nobody plays that tier

honest silo
vague cedar
honest silo
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Hey DinhTuan.

vague cedar
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Hey Andrea

blazing palm
sweet latch
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most broken T4

vague cedar
blazing palm
blazing palm
viscid pier
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dihtuan

honest silo
vague cedar
severe plank
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lucky you get rain

blazing palm
honest silo
vague cedar
blazing palm
radiant olive
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Someone please tell me

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What is florida's plating

blazing palm
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I don't know for sure, but for T7 it's usually 26

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Will check when I get to PC ๐Ÿ™‚

serene chasm
vague cedar
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Iowa:

serene chasm
gaunt saddle
serene chasm
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Montana is the battle ship

molten summit
sweet latch
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aka improved cruiser plating for that tier

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BB plating is 26

frigid steeple
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me n my friends keep noticing that torpedos are just kinda appearing out of nowhere? do they have a detection distance or sum

opal quarry
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Which means 380s overmatch you, so most BBs in your MM spread

raw skiff
opal quarry
sweet latch
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ye, US and german CA are the ones with improved plating

untold thistle
untold thistle
rustic hearth
gaunt saddle
radiant olive
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Tbh the classification of a battlecruiser in the game is funky at best. But i would never call the arkh a battlecruiser btw

sweet latch
viscid pier
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Novorossiysk

radiant olive
vague cedar
radiant olive
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Castor here calls it a bc

untold thistle
rustic hearth
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no no wait hear me out

viscid pier
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@sweet latch is Novorossiysk a BC

rustic hearth
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yamato is a battlecuriser if i believe hard enough Dashaha

viscid pier
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it has improved dispersion and thin plating and zero hp

sweet latch
viscid pier
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thats what i thought

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idc about irl

untold thistle
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Calling Iowa a BC irl and in game is plain wrong

severe plank
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call iowa by her real classification

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big CV escort

livid bridge
radiant olive
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Calling a revenge class a BC is also wrong since BY DEFINITIION bc's were supposed to go fast

untold thistle
radiant olive
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And the revenges were anything but

livid bridge
sweet latch
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ingame doesn't care for what they were called IRL

viscid pier
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^

sweet latch
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ingame Tromp is a DD

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IRL it was anything but

gaunt saddle
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Graf Zeppelin is a battlecruiser Dashaha

viscid pier
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Regolussy

sweet latch
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FFS Barbiano is a DD

ashen pond
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witherer with just 4 fires? didnt know it was possible

untold thistle
rustic hearth
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pocket bbs should be able to fit in your pocket Dashaha

tawdry turret
sweet latch
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so is Amagi

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and Myogi

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again the only definition ingame is Plating AND Dispersion

viscid pier
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i mean imo the best demonstration is Novorossiysk

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GC has normal everything right?

sweet latch
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yes GC has standard 19mm BB plating and traditional Italian/French Dispersion

dusky moth
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yall should i buy wyoming battleship or myogi battleship? im new to battleship

sweet latch
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if you are new stay with the Japanese BBs first

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and if you want a second line start the russians

hidden bay
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I sensed a discussion.

dusky moth
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owh not usa bbs?

sweet latch
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not for new players no

untold thistle
tawdry turret
dusky moth
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so i stick with japan bbs?

hidden bay
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IJN BBs are good teachers of the general BB playstyles.

sweet latch
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Japanese and Russians are best to learn BBs

honest silo
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Hey _Kowatori.

untold thistle
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Horrendous to use from my time with them as a new player

honest silo
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Hey Killerbin.

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Hey mehfia.

dusky moth
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alright

hidden bay
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Oh and we mean the line that ends with Yamato.

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The Bungo line is more suited as your 3rd or 4th BB line

untold thistle
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Hey andrea

dusky moth
sweet latch
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yeah the Bungo branch is a good follow up

hidden bay
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Thats te one you want

dusky moth
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alright i though yamato line was good

hidden bay
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It is

tawdry turret
sweet latch
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Yamato Branch first
then Kremlin
then Bungo
sounds like a good start in your BB live

severe plank
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still is

tawdry turret
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We meant not to go for Bungo as 1st

dusky moth
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owh i though bungo branch first then yamato

hidden bay
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nono

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Bungo line is a branch of hyper specialised Snipers.

raw skiff
hidden bay
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+1 month

untold thistle
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Russian BBs are more or less consistent compared to the Japanese BBs

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Since Kongo to Fuso is a bit jarring

severe plank
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when yari

untold thistle
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Then you have Nagato to Amagi

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And Amagi to Izumo

hidden bay
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The IJN BBs change enough to teach you all the general BB playstyles.

sweet latch
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yeah the Russians are very one dimensional in the progression

dusky moth
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Alright Thanks Yall

hidden bay
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You're quite welcome

ancient monolith
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Izumo to Yamato is a slug progression though, as first line it takes forever

vital jay
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The Russians are one dimensional because its all paper

tawdry turret
vital jay
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easy to create a line when you are making shit up

sweet latch
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Soyuz isn't

severe plank
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inb4 soyuz is more real than montana

vital jay
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yeah that totally completed soyuz

sweet latch
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indeed

hidden bay
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Alright someone get the photos.....

cunning lichen
hidden bay
torn spindle
dusky moth
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wait yall one last question what should i use my skill commanders on japans bbs

vital jay
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American line could have ended at the Iowa...should have put the SoDaks in the tree

torn spindle
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The test turret still exists btw

broken estuary
hidden bay
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Interesting take, I know it was the case many many many moons ago in the game's alpha. But Iowa never really was a match for Yamato, hence the team adjusted the line to drop Iowa to 9 and add Montana in at 10. Since it gave the US a ship in the same weight class as Yamato.

dusky moth
rare schoonerBOT
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Found 1 build for Yamato!

Source Document: wo.ws/builds

torn spindle
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But then they also put an yamato at tier 9...so you can balance them against each other

hidden bay
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And frankly there's very little in when comparing North Cal and SoDak. They're both pretty similar in overall specs.

severe plank
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with how people complained about iowa not being good enough, her at t10 would be even more chaotic

tawdry turret
severe plank
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god I want to see that lol

hidden bay
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North Cal a little faster, SoDak a little better protected.

untold thistle
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SoDak is slightly shorter too iirc

sweet latch
hidden bay
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Yes

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To increase protection while limiting displacement the SoDaks are the shortest of the USN's Fast BBs.

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Comically short even when compared to the Iowas.

torn spindle
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Shorter, better armored, and squished

hidden bay
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Bulldogs of a BB

tawdry turret
hidden bay
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Punch right on the nose

tawdry turret
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yea the docs upthere

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use it and search for Yamato build

vital jay
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I get why they did what they did. The short ranges and the arcade nature of the game means you had to have something to compete with the Yamato

broken estuary
vital jay
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Which the Iowa's would have

hidden bay
broken estuary
vital jay
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I just wanted the SoDaks in the tree to have another one that wasn't paper

unique hemlock
hidden bay
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Iowa is over 200ft longer

severe plank
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but NJ is a copy of Iowa so they're not adding her

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I thought people don't like copy paste ships

hidden bay
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chuckles

vital jay
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That doesn't stop them

torn spindle
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Tab the sign

broken estuary
vital jay
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Easy money

unique hemlock
sweet latch
vital jay
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yeah man...soviet navy, best navy

hidden bay
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There's quite a bit of old BBs around the place

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Vanguard's turret armour is used in a Radiology Lab

broken estuary
severe plank
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some steel from tirpitz is used for roads

radiant olive
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Killerbin, castor here calls the arkh a battlecruiser due to the dispersion and plating

sweet latch
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Parts of Richelieues guns are used as pressure chambers to build artillery shells IIRC

radiant olive
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As in that is the ingame definition

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Would you agree to that statement?

sweet latch
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its the only relevant metric all BC ingame have in common

hidden bay
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As in the Tier 7 Soviet 21kt BB?

radiant olive
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Yes

severe plank
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imagine if they announce NJ in a devblog, but leave her in dev hell for 5 years

torn spindle
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If H class is considered real enough, and also never laid down montana, soyuz is more real than both

hidden bay
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Of course she's not a Battlecruiser, she's a Revenge Class BB

radiant olive
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That's what i tried telling him as well

sweet latch
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ingame its a BC

radiant olive
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See

livid bridge
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Since when speed defined bcs in game

hidden bay
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But its not?

broken estuary
sweet latch
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it has BC plating and BC dispersion --> BC

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every other BC also follows that rule

hidden bay
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But its a real ship, and that ship was a Battleship.

severe plank
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oh boy

sweet latch
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and Tromp was a real cruiser

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yet its a DD ingame

hidden bay
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Tromps one of those wierd borderline ships.

broken estuary
hidden bay
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Destroyer Leader is probably a better term for her.

honest silo
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Yeah, but I mean the Soviet name they gived her.

livid bridge
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Nah its just a DD

sweet latch
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Giussano class were cruisers

broken estuary
sweet latch
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yet Barbiano is a DD

livid bridge
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We didnt really split off to destroyer leaders in game in any way

hidden bay
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Oh thats simply a way of getting that fascinating design into the game.

broken estuary
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Later to Tallinn

honest silo
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Oh, ok I see.

livid bridge
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Once we are game discussying the irl classifications stop mattering

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Aside from the historical blurbs of trivia in descriptions

radiant olive
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Personally i think common sense applies better here. I mean,a bb that goes 21 knots, a battlecruiser?

sweet latch
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IRL Eritrea and Black Swan were Sloops

hidden bay
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Oh boy, lets define a Sloop

livid bridge
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Slop

radiant olive
boreal fable
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Castilla needs the alvaro burst ngl

torn spindle
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Is Champagne a battlecruiser troll

livid bridge
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Yes

hidden bay
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She has Battlecruiser traits.

sweet latch
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clearly because it goes fast

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and as we have learned all BBs that go fast are BC and slow ones are BB

radiant olive
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Not really

boreal fable
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Castilla would lowkey be worth playing if it had like -5% disp on the burst, something minor

torn spindle
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Ok, is Gascogne a battlecruiser the ship Champagne is 95% copied off one

livid bridge
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No

sweet latch
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so Anhalt = BB
Bismarck = BC

honest silo
radiant olive
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Battlecruisers per definition are ships that mount battleship grade weapons, sacrificing armour protection for cruiser-like speed. However once the armor starts becoming battleship levels,we start to talk about fast battleships

livid bridge
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Nah they by definition are ships that drop plating thickness

sweet latch
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the brits called Vanguard a Battlecruiser

livid bridge
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And change disp

sweet latch
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and the Scharnhorsts

radiant olive
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Hence why there is discussion about hood being a battlecruiser since she has armor somewhat equivalent to a contemporary BB

cunning lichen
sweet latch
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in fact they called Nelson a "Fast Battleship"

boreal fable
cunning lichen
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Scharnhorst having battleship armor yet having very small caliber guns.

livid bridge
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Hood is quite clearly a BB

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So is Scharn

radiant olive
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The brits are weird though, i think killerbin can agree

livid bridge
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Standard BB bow normal dispersion

boreal fable
edgy marten
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Classifications are meaningless anyways

livid bridge
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Idd

edgy marten
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Given how different navies have whatever convenient definition they want for classifying

boreal fable
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vyazma had only one line it was a cruiser trust

cunning lichen
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Is it a large cruiser?

junior osprey
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Battlecroooser in wows is just anything that goes fast

cunning lichen
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Is it a battlecruiser?

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Is it a battleship?

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We dont know

sweet latch
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we should use the german approach

cunning lichen
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Germans call it a battleship

edgy marten
cunning lichen
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But the guns were small

livid bridge
boreal fable
sweet latch
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Scharnhorst is a Linienschiff

radiant olive
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Ok

mint bluff
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battlecroozer

cunning lichen
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Brits call it a Battlecruiser

junior osprey
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I mean ones wit the bb icon and go fast

mint bluff
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yea and we won so were right ๐Ÿ™‚

boreal fable
radiant olive
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Battlecruiser

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Must be

junior osprey
torn spindle
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This is hertha

edgy marten
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But what about TXI cruisers

boreal fable
edgy marten
sweet latch
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we should call Baden and with that Bayern a Linienschiff because thats what the germans called them

edgy marten
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What are those

mint bluff
radiant olive
mint bluff
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it looks like a croozer liner with turrets on top

boreal fable
torn spindle
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This is Hindenburg. The ship replacing Hertha

steel pier
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go ahead

boreal fable
torn spindle
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Clearly same ship class

cunning lichen
boreal fable
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Of course

mint bluff
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thos fwench dreadnauts were amazingly hilarious.

torn spindle
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German classification was as BS as everyone's

boreal fable
hidden bay
mint bluff
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teh carrot and teh hochie

sweet latch
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its funny that the ingame classification what is a BC and whats not works 100% for every ship.
While IRL you can't even agree on two ships.

edgy marten
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so, Churchill lied

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๐Ÿ˜”

steel pier
cunning lichen
hidden bay
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No he called them it, because if they were BCs then they could be countered by our BCs and he could justify adjusting construction priorities away from the Lions.

mint bluff
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yea idk wtf da fwench was smoking when they came up with them... looks like some final fantasy villain empire ships or some sht XD

cunning lichen
livid bridge
hidden bay
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The Scharns are simply lightly armed for their size, they are true BBs.

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They're built to the correct standards

sweet latch
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how dare the germans are limited by treaty

livid bridge
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Rather simple

steel pier
hidden bay
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Well the guns were not limited by treaty. They were limited because they were what Germany could build at the time without freaking out France and the UK.

mint bluff
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teh dunton oui oui ouiiiii

cunning lichen
mint bluff
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what tier would thos be in game? tier 1? lol

sweet latch
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if we belive some dude from 80 years ago
Bismarck were 35.000t displacement with 4 ships in the class

hidden bay
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Last gen pre Dreads? T2-3

steel pier
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and its a sister to Danton, look for the funnels

mint bluff
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i think the mikasa woulda beat the bricks off them but yea maybe t2 i guess lol.

hidden bay
steel pier
edgy marten
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would be nice if Repub got GK'd/Khaba'd

hidden bay
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Plus Bismarck and Tirptiz were built under the terms of the Anglo-German Naval Agreement and so were declared as 35,000t ships.

edgy marten
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and we had a new 16 gun Alsace design with 406mm

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or 380mm

sweet latch
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nahh - Richelieu is the black sheep in the line

hidden bay
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But no one's 30s era BB was treaty compliant

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Not even the KGVs.

edgy marten
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but Repub makes no sense in the line either

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sudden 30mm ovm in a line with small caliber guns

sweet latch
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Repub makes sense now that there is Patrie

viscid pier
sweet latch
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Richelieu makes zero sense

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Should be replaced with Gascone

edgy marten
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duh

sweet latch
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Repub has 431

torn spindle
hidden bay
edgy marten
sweet latch
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nahh

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Repub is fine

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Rich should become the Premium and Gas the TT

rustic hearth
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oh the iorny

sweet latch
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IDK - I would be happy about a Premium Rich

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whats bad about getting a free Premium?

steel pier
sweet latch
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you can even keep Gas as a Premium.
The new TT just should follow the Gas layout

torn spindle
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there is also Clemenceau, and Jean Bart as laid down

edgy marten
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the guillotine was not invented by Mr Guillotin

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odd as it sounds

hidden bay
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Correct he was the sponsor for it's builder.

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But he served in the National Assembly so his name was attached to it.

torn spindle
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And unlike new jersey clemencau would not be a copy and paste! Bin you have no power here!

sweet latch
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Clemenceau will be the T10 CV

cold geyser
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and, very ironically, another man named Guillotin, Dr. J.M.V. Guillotin, died to one

hidden bay
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It's possible.

cold geyser
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but not the Guillotin that it was named after

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a different one

hidden bay
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Clem could certainly work, although she's a tad small for a Tier 10 Fleet CV.

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Colossus class ships not withstanding.

steel pier
hidden bay
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The French had a few Midway scale CV concepts

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Plus there's always the Jean Bart conversion.

cold geyser
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i do hope the french CV line builds on the ideas with Bearn

torn spindle
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don't you have to give spain, france, dutch and Europe a colossus anyway?

hidden bay
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Spain no

sweet latch
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Spain no.
They get an Essex

hidden bay
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And Europe no

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But Dutch yes

torn spindle
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Oh right, they had the independence

hidden bay
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And also tried to convert an Italian CA

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Plus the Canaris conversion

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So Spain could be a pure Light Carrier line.

sweet latch
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plus a fully converted Dedalo

torn spindle
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First spanish line then without "we are neutral, please no hurt us" marking?

hidden bay
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But we love the flag

sweet latch
cold geyser
hidden bay
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Its a great flag

cold geyser
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its a great marker of where i should shoot my guns

hidden bay
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I mean several ships have a 'Shoot here' camo

cold geyser
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spain is the only country where every ship has it

hidden bay
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Well Spain did paint it on a lot of ships

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Not being shot at was pretty important.

cold geyser
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why make a bunch of warships if u dont want to be shot at

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thats no fun

coral herald
# sweet latch

Gotta make sure everyone knows it's spanish cruiser, not italian even though it technically is

torn spindle
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Paid off, and they were the fascist state not clubbed into surrender

cold geyser
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spain is a unique case because fascism kinda died on its own there

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that is extremely rare

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usually it requires.... help.

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Armed help.

untold thistle
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๐Ÿ˜ญ

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this isn't even a replay

torn spindle
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They were not smooth brained enough trying to take Gibraltar

cold geyser
untold thistle
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ill send it in irs

cold geyser
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okiii

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excite

sweet latch
steel pier
hidden bay
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Of course they removed them post war

steel pier
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make Canarias 1950s florkRUN

hidden bay
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I'd need to check what they changed in her later years.

sweet latch
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not much

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just a few AA guns

steel pier
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they made 2 funnels again, but i dunno when exactly

hidden bay
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Right they did do the funnel change

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So she ends basically as just another County Class

opal quarry
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Morning

woven marsh
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@echo zinc

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Hello Sir

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You were in my Venezia game

steel pier
radiant olive
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Speaking of the 1950's, when can we expect the USS Nautilus (the ssn model)

woven marsh
hidden bay
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We've no plans for any SSN

steel pier
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which is the reason, why i got both Canarias and Baleares in the first place

woven marsh
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I would like to know as to why you'd do such a thing

radiant olive
hidden bay
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Bob, lets not use Game Discussion as an Arena alright?

woven marsh
livid bridge
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In later years the german and japanese ships were removed from the sea surface yet we still have them in game smh

woven marsh
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All because as a lighthouse Venezia I was sitting comfortable behind an island (I was still spotted btw) but no one was shooting me so I had free farm on their Vincent

opal quarry
woven marsh
opal quarry
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Not continue

sweet latch
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according to WoWS the germans and Japanese cease to exist after 45

woven marsh
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I had a horrible Wisconsin game before

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I played so badly

untold thistle
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it is what it is

cold geyser
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more sleep time

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tired

woven marsh
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I had a poor Petro in the Wisconsin game

untold thistle
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welp, just got spawned on the sub flank