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Archerfish or Shikishima?
-# (This is probably gonna be biased against Archer lol) 
spin a wheel
10 bucks says FDR (trust)
Barbiano
RNG, got it
Z-42
trust me, I spun a wheel for my steel ship and got mecklenburger
is mecklenburger fun
dammit
She's fun, until Bremen came around
lol
come on
don't be a coward and put all steel ships you don't own there
i bet hes gonna get willem
@unique hemlock don't be a coward and put all steel ships on the wheel
Nah imagine Colombo but worse
mmmm almost done with my season overview noice 
oh no
not that bad
you don't have hydro but you do have smoke radar
nah 
no its fully bad
i will explode playing it
coward
Now you can yell at me about all the mistakes I made during the season 
roll again then
lmao
the wheel has spoken
its the cooler duncan
now go buy archerfish
Get Z-42 instead
aight I'ma be a sub dog 
bro im not playing ts ๐ญ
I gotta save like 1.7k steel first
wait for the coupon
I wouldn't as well
thats what im doing
yeah that's 1.7k steel to reach coupon price
FDR in today's e sex dominance

Nah being dirty sub, being spit on and insulted, you want that? 
but if if you hit the jackpot and get matched with a malta in fdr
you can unleash misery to all bbs
How i do keep going?
chat feast or famine
feast if repub spawns on your flank
he didnt
too bad
nobody's playing flank for you huh
can't feast like that ngl
Keep saving steel for Steel Fleet
the last feast
alright goddamnit
Valpa, Hawaii, Bremen and Aki have all been worthwhile investments for me in theory
yay
I have like a million EXP on some of them already
i need to start feasting with my RI
Alright Incomparable, there ya go
I ain't getting her though lol
not bad
508s are pretty good and you get better than heavy cruiser conceal
Only reason I called her "flimsy" is because EVERY DAMN TIME I get matched with or against an Incomparable, they send an all chat message complaining about their shell dispersion.
bad aim
seems fitting for na
and skill issue
bruh I spun it and got Incomp again lol
the force begins
if the shells land short then sure, arty bug
it's telling you
Austin
And then they got an absolute best of a salvo against an unsuspecting Jinan

why even spin the wheel if you're not going to get the bote
Do it
Get Incomp
Kill Libertad (via torps and bow citadel)
(You're never gonna get the side citadel)
i barely see a libertad nowdays
This is hard-earned stuff and I really don't wanna repeat goofing up with Shinano 

asian meta is the opposite of libertad
They used to be around when I went off hiatus but I think the good ones went to comp/ranked and the bad ones got tired of dying with 50k damage every match
Also people have no real attachment to such a ship
I'm frankly worried because this steel took forever to get.
honestly, I wouldn't care bout it either way since whatever I spin is whatever I spin
???????
im still running low on steel
what the fuck
IDK
you weren't losing in the last ss
Lepanto gaming so hard she transcended off the map 
back to playing crappy visual novels while EU is ded
could be anywhere tbh
drop tactical nuke
back when my clan ran MM monitor more often, id classify their MM as "curry" if the players are terrible
(sea of red and orange)
with some variations depending on actual color
full-on red: tomato juice, butter chicken
I called Pioneer "aggressivelyBrit" in this because I forgot she wasn't actually 
yellow: lentil curry
who tf are you
On seeing that everything was solid red upon my return, I just got rid of MM monitor
Not worth the depression
How may this be so bad???
idk
I see the comedic value in it tbh, its randoms after all
I made like 6 things in Google Slides and drop in on random conversations
our split lost a gunfight to a la pampa
no theres "who tf are you" ship
wth
Vallejo lol
I finally saw another blue DD yesterday and he ate torps from a literal 40%er and died
Then my team rushed mid anyway
I get more enjoyment playing with no expectations
we are getting BB DIFFED AGAIN
Z-42 I couldn't come up with anything since I literally don't know that ship at all.
oh
My only other loss was in a T8 match where our 3 T8 BBs couldn't stop a single Vladivostok rushing our spawn
And the Vladi was a 48%er too
This playerbase is so bad that you can't write off any match since people are just actively trying to lose on both sides
we're comparing it to Serie A now 
you always have paid actors on each team
you just have to figure out who ( not difficult )
Calling them paid actors implies they gain something other than loss rate (they don't) or that they're only pretending to be this bad (they aren't)
I have no mods to figure that out, so by the time I realize, they're dead already or I'm dead already.
what the hell happened now
shouldn't he be sleeping
Permanent mute

i think it was bcuz of a thing he said about unicum in game discussy
And yet when I look at my stats in the long-ish term I am indeed low unicum at worst and winning high 50-mid 60% solo
oh yea it was
It's just
i flagged it
Everyone else is bad so I don't know if I've gotten better
What was once blue
Today is purple
I'm a flat 50-51%er at this point, which is barely above average on NA
Its avg
Recent win rate is a disaster though 
great no more hen gif too
or that yari slop
๐
at least you're aware
you can climb out of it eventually
part of being an improving WoWs player is watching your old gameplay and going "how was I this stupid"
did you win? :)
and then you play the very same ships you've made mistakes long ago
or in live gameplay "Why the fuck did I do that"
๐ฅ
we just lose cuz theres a ksc krem
I strike blue and purple pretty easily in Iowa and Montana which makes my red stats look like a nuclear wasteland
:(
NA is alive?
NA is undead
Two of the Boises I was fighting are bots
The third is so bad that he looks like a bot but he is human
Though this is a bit more forgivable because he is probably new
bots can have clans
I met a Riga that doesnt fire but still radars, same thing, rushes in cap and sit there to radar
No but this guy is an actual human I checked his stats
He's not blindly spamming he just sucks
Skill issue
I genuinely gunned him down in the open with a DD
di
The other two are bots though
icecreams level?
The tier of "can't aim yet and defaults to trying to chase the nearest enemy"
But they're human, definitely
I do find it funny that we can say someone's skill level is equivalent to icecreams_ and everyone gets it immediately
icecreams_ was sub coop bot somehow
I don't know how
The issue was not starting out that bad but doubling down on it
it's a discord inside joke
nobody outside of discord will get it
what'd they do now
You cant say that word around here
Nothing
icecreams hasn't played wows in 3 days
nvm, she did 12 hours ago
Icecreams is not that bad
NA supersoldiers Footgoo and Cash1942 make her or him look fine
She's on their level of skill roughly
Have to div with her to compare
I'm having a hard time figuring out Zara, How am I meant to play this ship?
who?
So far my time with the Zara has been horrible
might get better when she gets heals
Hope so because man
are u getting citadeled?
I forget there are coop mains in wows
ocean better than malta?
Coop mains are valid
maybe
what does this mean
whats with coop mains 
As in
I'm fine with people being coop mains or PVE mains if it's what they feel they can enjoy/manage
As opposed to them going to randoms to rush mid
ok so their opinion is only relevant in a pve context
is malta even good still?
If they give an opinion on the game in a PVE context whatever
If they argue with people as if they're experts not really, but people self-aware enough to consign themselves to PVE generally are not an issue
You should ask in #1464319983390556292
Do you like easy to play CVs
Do you like the idea of getting outpaced on strikes, people sniping you every match and all 23 other players reporting you
Not after the update
idk i got malta because it looked nice
Ocean gonna be the worst T10 CV in a sec
i wouldnt say worst
What would be worse?
is oceans specialty just having jets?
hm
didnt midway use to have jets?
perhaps midway
at least in the cv tutorial vid it did
Noo
the main nerf is to its torpedo bombers
nakhimov?
if i recall the jets didnt get affected
what was the change?
That is your main source of damage
Ocean as it is now
true
Genuinely feels like it's on the verge of being deplaned if you misplay even once
You lose that torp squad then you're going to be sitting around a lot
And with the nerf
It's even moreso
fair point
is audacious good now?
The jets are cool but you can't cycle them like Essex can
Nor do you start with them as Essex does
No
not really an advantage though, audacious is just better
Well
Good morning guys.
It can be
Hey NoBrainZao.
Hi
you have to wait for jets to regen, audacious constantly has access to its rockets and dive bombs
Hey AFKaveman.
it's definitely better than ocean post-nerf
Hey Alice_Zhag.
The torps doing less damage than Audacious torps now
Hey Swifacid.
hi
If you lose a full squad of torp planes be it to fighters or just high tier AA then you're just kind of gimped for a good portion of the match
when do we get the coal discounts back?
hello andrea
God forbid we have a CV that does exactly that
Essex being the most popular CV
And got buffed due to fighter changes
indomitable?
Mornin' lads
If you play Ocean into Essex I meant.
You lose your torp squad and you will be literally unable to play the game
Not only do you have less of them now, but you do an even worse alpha strike than Audacious which doesnt even have a high alpha strike on torps to begin with.
Morning
Hey Arden and Good morning.
Asyms aren't showing as a viable gamemode for dockyard....did they nerf this
no, they didnt. some missions were not meant to be for asym.
The ones that I have been working on this entire time in Asyms now don't show as a option. Just wondering if I just got shadowed nerfed
some missions you can't even complete in asymm
It was ones I was already completing
No mission in the Dockyard is allowing Asyms
at least for me
Hey Snorti_Boi.
Nice.
praise yourself. your aiming skills have improved due to experience.
No no. He just finally realised that leftclicking means fireing.. thats all
main gun build on Bismarck seems OK for the current random games
bismarck is meant for main gun build
Yeah I agree.
the german bb main line is main guns baiting you to build secondaries
no no please build for secondaries so we could farm you
while the actual secondaries line is the alternate line
Hey celerio.
hi andrea
imagine playing schlieffen
I honestly built my Preussen following the Tank build.
when Libertad exists
Hey Polish.
Valparaiso
imagine grinding for schlieffen
sniffens have terrible side armor
just prem schlieffen, the final money printer
I obliterate them with marseille
@honest silo btw, it took me 4 games to go from the cachalot to the salmon 
anyone else excited for super columbo?
Ok god
Kinda i just dont have cc
only supership i'll be excited for will be a japanese ca or cl every nation has a cruiser ss
Good news
super zao cool
does super zao have elbing dispersion
does super zao have 50% fire chance
will it have 10km sub radar
zao has dd dispersion, so naturally super zao has to have improved dd dispersion
oh god it sounds like a sniper
looks like it from the guns
16,8km range
Five exciting ships approaching, including a historical famous Japanese destroyer and a Canadian warship!
nice sap irresistible now
what tier
t7-t10 maybe
okay
Nice.
T8: Baltimore (especially when it gets heals), Vladivostok, Ipiranga
T9: Manteuffel, Los Andes (tbh you don't really want to be anything else in the current T9 environment given how fixed the T9 meta is AKA Valpa)
t7- gneisenau or KGV
t8- Bismarck
t9- rupprecht
t10-libertard
I have scharnhorst 43 is that better?
no
scharnhorst 43 is way better
its not
not even close
the best ship for t7 ranked
gneisenau's guns couldn't hit a dd from 4km
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but triple mounts perform better because more volume
what should be my minimum captain level for ranked ๐
18
when there is a nelson or something easy to cit in front of you you'll wish you were in scharnhorst
otherwiser get ready to gamble
you can't
me when I lie
are you really that dumb
maybe not overmatch but you can get funny cit angles
Scharn has no improved pen angles either
as if you're gonna hit someones bow with gneis
is german bb main synonymous with brain degradation?
so at whatever angle you cit a Nelson with Scharn you do the same with Gneisenau
no because the shells will miss
Gneiseanau dispersion is the second best at the tier FFS

is this a case of less shells = bad?
you're tripping balls
Just telling your lying ass the truth
NO ONE has better dispersion outside BCs
or Russians if you are really close
gneisenau is a battleship
Your experience means nothing when you look at actual statistics
show me statistics
I just did
it has standard dispersion
Technically...there are BB's at the tier with better dispersion
What are we talking about?
you didn't show me anything
you just told me
yes Battlecruiser dispersion
and Russians close range
I said that already
gneisenau having good disp I think
Gneisenau has normal BB disp
pot calling kettle black
Are you counting battlecruisers or also bb's with bc dispersion
I include Arkhangelsk in the BC bracket
since its the only IRL BB that has BC dispersion
Ok, because that thing is deffo not a bc
Doesn't make it a battlecruiser

Good morning
Speed is literally THE most important aspect of a battlecruiser
because BC isn't even clearly defined IRL
Ok, so what is tennessee then
Wisconsin
ahh yes the T7 Wisconsin
a Battleship with cruiser dispersion
since it has BB plating
When Yari?
isn't bc defined by cruiser level armor and bb level guns?
10 I see is a BB
i didn't think speed was important
And high speed
Yari counter +1 month
+1 month
How are you doing?
Hey CastorTolagi.
Iโm fine, thank you
Hey Barkond and good morning, how are you?
I have better question : When Imperator Nikolai will come back (not in Santa boxes) 
michel B when
Hello ๐
I'm okay, just figuring out morning tasks.
And how are you?
It won't
I need a div mate that speaks english bro
The only ship more broken than nikolai at the tier is the ark beta
Itโs not even in Satan boxes
no T2-4 drop from santa boxes
One of the most broken ships tier for tier, nobody plays that tier
I'm fine thanks and going in office of my dead to work and help them.
Hello there Mr. Barkond 
Hey DinhTuan.
Hey Andrea
Hello ๐
most broken T4
Have your coffee yet, sir?
Very nice, I hope you will have fun
Not yet ๐
And I prefer green tea in general.
And how is your day going?
dihtuan
Thanks I'm also excited and can 't wait for 15.4 to arrive in 2 days.
I see
It's been pretty smooth sailing so far - apart from some sudden downpour here and there
lucky you get rain
Me too, a lot of T8 cruisers to play with heals ๐
Did your insomnia go away?
Yeah and also Dallas, Helena and other ships.
Happy for you ๐
Battle cruiser is just fast battleship
Iowa:

25mm
It was ones,year or two ago
25
aka improved cruiser plating for that tier
BB plating is 26
me n my friends keep noticing that torpedos are just kinda appearing out of nowhere? do they have a detection distance or sum
Which means 380s overmatch you, so most BBs in your MM spread
It was more than 4 years ago
Aka Pensacola plating smh
ye, US and german CA are the ones with improved plating
No
Again, no
its classified as a fast battleship, not battlecruiser
DIHTUAN
Yes.
Most torpedoes are detected between ~1.4-1.8km from your ship
Deepwater torps can get as close as ~0.6km before being spotted
Hydro, 5th upgrade slot Torpedo detection system, and 2pt vigilance captain skill will increase the distance you spot the torps
Tbh the classification of a battlecruiser in the game is funky at best. But i would never call the arkh a battlecruiser btw
Amagi and Tosa beg to differ
Novorossiysk
Arkhangelsk?
Ye
Yeah nah that's a BB through and through
Castor here calls it a bc
She's a revenge class Battleship
no no wait hear me out
@sweet latch is Novorossiysk a BC
yamato is a battlecuriser if i believe hard enough 
it has improved dispersion and thin plating and zero hp
does it have BC dispersion AND BC plating then yes - In game
Calling Iowa a BC irl and in game is plain wrong
Hey its more fitting irl than calling a scharnhorst a BC and ppl do that
Calling a revenge class a BC is also wrong since BY DEFINITIION bc's were supposed to go fast
Scharnhorst is a larger Pocket Battleship 
And the revenges were anything but
#naval-history if you want to talk irl
ingame doesn't care for what they were called IRL
^
Graf Zeppelin is a battlecruiser 
Regolussy
FFS Barbiano is a DD
witherer with just 4 fires? didnt know it was possible
Capitani Romani class
pocket bbs should be able to fit in your pocket 
as long as the ppl who got set on doesnt dcp it
Kongo is a BB
so is Amagi
and Myogi
again the only definition ingame is Plating AND Dispersion
yes GC has standard 19mm BB plating and traditional Italian/French Dispersion
yall should i buy wyoming battleship or myogi battleship? im new to battleship
if you are new stay with the Japanese BBs first
and if you want a second line start the russians
I sensed a discussion.
owh not usa bbs?
not for new players no
Bait
we have ended 
so i stick with japan bbs?
IJN BBs are good teachers of the general BB playstyles.
Japanese and Russians are best to learn BBs
Hey _Kowatori.
Horrendous to use from my time with them as a new player
alright
Oh and we mean the line that ends with Yamato.
The Bungo line is more suited as your 3rd or 4th BB line
Hey andrea
not the yamato line?
yeah the Bungo branch is a good follow up
Thats te one you want
alright i though yamato line was good
It is
Yamato Branch first
then Kremlin
then Bungo
sounds like a good start in your BB live
still is
We meant not to go for Bungo as 1st
owh i though bungo branch first then yamato
When Yari?
+1 month
Russian BBs are more or less consistent compared to the Japanese BBs
Since Kongo to Fuso is a bit jarring
when yari
The IJN BBs change enough to teach you all the general BB playstyles.
yeah the Russians are very one dimensional in the progression
Alright Thanks Yall
You're quite welcome
Izumo to Yamato is a slug progression though, as first line it takes forever
The Russians are one dimensional because its all paper

easy to create a line when you are making shit up
inb4 soyuz is more real than montana
yeah that totally completed soyuz
indeed
Alright someone get the photos.....
Hyper specialised to grief cruiser players of course.
They know their crimes.
wait yall one last question what should i use my skill commanders on japans bbs
American line could have ended at the Iowa...should have put the SoDaks in the tree
y not
The test turret still exists btw
Her sister captured by the Germans
Interesting take, I know it was the case many many many moons ago in the game's alpha. But Iowa never really was a match for Yamato, hence the team adjusted the line to drop Iowa to 9 and add Montana in at 10. Since it gave the US a ship in the same weight class as Yamato.
whats that supposed to meant?
Montana is cool though
But then they also put an yamato at tier 9...so you can balance them against each other
And frankly there's very little in when comparing North Cal and SoDak. They're both pretty similar in overall specs.
with how people complained about iowa not being good enough, her at t10 would be even more chaotic
Which means "Yes, you should"
god I want to see that lol
North Cal a little faster, SoDak a little better protected.
SoDak is slightly shorter too iirc
@dusky moth
Yes
To increase protection while limiting displacement the SoDaks are the shortest of the USN's Fast BBs.
Comically short even when compared to the Iowas.
Shorter, better armored, and squished
Bulldogs of a BB
wait I misread lmao
Punch right on the nose
I get why they did what they did. The short ranges and the arcade nature of the game means you had to have something to compete with the Yamato
Made up?
Which the Iowa's would have
I just wanted the SoDaks in the tree to have another one that wasn't paper
Weโre only missing USS New Jersey at this point.
Iowa is over 200ft longer
but NJ is a copy of Iowa so they're not adding her
I thought people don't like copy paste ships
chuckles
That doesn't stop them
Tab the sign
Easy money

fun fact - one of the turrets still exists.
Thats a turret from Stalingrad
yeah man...soviet navy, best navy
There's quite a bit of old BBs around the place
Vanguard's turret armour is used in a Radiology Lab
Hard to blame them when the focus shifted from artillery to plane launching and getting invaded by someone, which completely ruined their plan
some steel from tirpitz is used for roads
Killerbin, castor here calls the arkh a battlecruiser due to the dispersion and plating
Parts of Richelieues guns are used as pressure chambers to build artillery shells IIRC
its the only relevant metric all BC ingame have in common
As in the Tier 7 Soviet 21kt BB?
Yes
imagine if they announce NJ in a devblog, but leave her in dev hell for 5 years
If H class is considered real enough, and also never laid down montana, soyuz is more real than both
Of course she's not a Battlecruiser, she's a Revenge Class BB
That's what i tried telling him as well
ingame its a BC
See
Since when speed defined bcs in game
But its not?
Also, they got screwed over by the Germans for getting an incomplete Hipper class, while they were promised to get a finished one
But its a real ship, and that ship was a Battleship.
oh boy
Tallinn?
Tromps one of those wierd borderline ships.
Lรผtzow
Destroyer Leader is probably a better term for her.
Yeah, but I mean the Soviet name they gived her.
Nah its just a DD
Giussano class were cruisers
Barbiano:
yet Barbiano is a DD
We didnt really split off to destroyer leaders in game in any way
Oh thats simply a way of getting that fascinating design into the game.
Petropavlovsk as for Lรผtzow
Later to Tallinn
Oh, ok I see.
Once we are game discussying the irl classifications stop mattering
Aside from the historical blurbs of trivia in descriptions
Personally i think common sense applies better here. I mean,a bb that goes 21 knots, a battlecruiser?
IRL Eritrea and Black Swan were Sloops
Oh boy, lets define a Sloop
Slop
Not inaccurate
Castilla needs the alvaro burst ngl
Is Champagne a battlecruiser troll
Yes
She has Battlecruiser traits.
clearly because it goes fast
and as we have learned all BBs that go fast are BC and slow ones are BB
Not really
Castilla would lowkey be worth playing if it had like -5% disp on the burst, something minor
Ok, is Gascogne a battlecruiser the ship Champagne is 95% copied off one
No
so Anhalt = BB
Bismarck = BC
Gascogne is a Richelieu-Class and sister ship of Richelieu and Jean Bart.
Battlecruisers per definition are ships that mount battleship grade weapons, sacrificing armour protection for cruiser-like speed. However once the armor starts becoming battleship levels,we start to talk about fast battleships
Nah they by definition are ships that drop plating thickness
the brits called Vanguard a Battlecruiser
And change disp
and the Scharnhorsts
Hence why there is discussion about hood being a battlecruiser since she has armor somewhat equivalent to a contemporary BB
Scharnhorst would be a better example.
in fact they called Nelson a "Fast Battleship"
Hood was called a battlecruiser by the royal navy
Scharnhorst having battleship armor yet having very small caliber guns.
The brits are weird though, i think killerbin can agree
Standard BB bow normal dispersion
Scharnhorst is reverse battlecruiser, small guns on big armour instead of small armour with big guns
Classifications are meaningless anyways
Idd
Given how different navies have whatever convenient definition they want for classifying
vyazma had only one line it was a cruiser trust
Classification of Scharnhorst has been a debating thing for like decades.
Is it a large cruiser?
Battlecroooser in wows is just anything that goes fast
we should use the german approach
Germans call it a battleship
So, CV planes are battlecruisers?

But the guns were small
Thats why we pay no mind to them, and go by the game
Well officially by the germans it was a bb
Scharnhorst is a Linienschiff
battlecroozer
I mean ones wit the bb icon and go fast
yea and we won so were right ๐
Marseille?
Think those are called supercrooosers
This is hertha
But what about TXI cruisers
Interesting

we should call Baden and with that Bayern a Linienschiff because thats what the germans called them
What are those
what in oblivion is that?! lol
Battlecruisers
it looks like a croozer liner with turrets on top
the star ones
This is Hindenburg. The ship replacing Hertha
go ahead
YOu mean the big balloon that blew up?
Clearly same ship class
What is Scharnhorst, a battlecruiser or a battleship? 
Of course
thos fwench dreadnauts were amazingly hilarious.
German classification was as BS as everyone's
Scharnhorst is a heavy armoured hull with small guns... its a hawaii
For a short period, and Churchill called the Scharns BCs, not the Navy.
teh carrot and teh hochie
its funny that the ingame classification what is a BC and whats not works 100% for every ship.
While IRL you can't even agree on two ships.
uhm, include Commander Geoffrey Bennett, RN

No he called them it, because if they were BCs then they could be countered by our BCs and he could justify adjusting construction priorities away from the Lions.
yea idk wtf da fwench was smoking when they came up with them... looks like some final fantasy villain empire ships or some sht XD
I read Commander Goofery
But some dude 100 years ago called a boat something diff so it must be that in world of warship!!!!
The Scharns are simply lightly armed for their size, they are true BBs.
They're built to the correct standards
how dare the germans are limited by treaty
Ye they got standard BB plating and dispersion
Rather simple

Well the guns were not limited by treaty. They were limited because they were what Germany could build at the time without freaking out France and the UK.
teh dunton oui oui ouiiiii

what tier would thos be in game? tier 1? lol
if we belive some dude from 80 years ago
Bismarck were 35.000t displacement with 4 ships in the class
Last gen pre Dreads? T2-3
Turenne is alr III ingame?
and its a sister to Danton, look for the funnels
i think the mikasa woulda beat the bricks off them but yea maybe t2 i guess lol.
USN and RN Intel thought the IJN already had 12'' armed cruiser killers in service when the war started. Naval Intelligence is not an easy job.
KGV had even more armor. guns and ofc speed play factor. so for my part i can understand Geoffrey Bennett fully
would be nice if Repub got GK'd/Khaba'd
Plus Bismarck and Tirptiz were built under the terms of the Anglo-German Naval Agreement and so were declared as 35,000t ships.
nahh - Richelieu is the black sheep in the line
but Repub makes no sense in the line either
sudden 30mm ovm in a line with small caliber guns
Repub makes sense now that there is Patrie
why didnt they just google it? are they stupid?
12 406mm T10-> 12 431mm T11
duh
Repub has 431
H and J famously being Bismarck class xd
I'd rather not anger the French people by removing their historical BBs and replacing them with a never finished one. They can organise.
yes yes, but if we were to hypothetically replace Repub with a 12 gun 406mm design
Fun fact the Inventor of the Gulliotine was opposed to the Death penalty.
oh the iorny
i mean Robespierre was so fanatic and for the revolution and in the end was himself accused of being against it and sent to the gulliotine.
you can even keep Gas as a Premium.
The new TT just should follow the Gas layout
there is also Clemenceau, and Jean Bart as laid down
Correct he was the sponsor for it's builder.
But he served in the National Assembly so his name was attached to it.
To the gulliotine
And unlike new jersey clemencau would not be a copy and paste! Bin you have no power here!
Clemenceau will be the T10 CV
and, very ironically, another man named Guillotin, Dr. J.M.V. Guillotin, died to one
It's possible.
Clem could certainly work, although she's a tad small for a Tier 10 Fleet CV.
Colossus class ships not withstanding.
funny fact, wt seems to have alr added Clemenceau
The French had a few Midway scale CV concepts
Plus there's always the Jean Bart conversion.
i do hope the french CV line builds on the ideas with Bearn
don't you have to give spain, france, dutch and Europe a colossus anyway?
Spain no
Spain no.
They get an Essex
Oh right, they had the independence
And also tried to convert an Italian CA
Plus the Canaris conversion
So Spain could be a pure Light Carrier line.
plus a fully converted Dedalo
First spanish line then without "we are neutral, please no hurt us" marking?
But we love the flag
citadel indicator you mean
Its a great flag
its a great marker of where i should shoot my guns
I mean several ships have a 'Shoot here' camo
spain is the only country where every ship has it
Gotta make sure everyone knows it's spanish cruiser, not italian even though it technically is
Paid off, and they were the fascist state not clubbed into surrender
spain is a unique case because fascism kinda died on its own there
that is extremely rare
usually it requires.... help.
Armed help.
They were not smooth brained enough trying to take Gibraltar
can i render it using my new bot? :O :D
give me a sec
ill send it in irs
but Baleares wasn't an italian design

hence im with josy. not all ships need thoose neutrality indicator. as in later years not even Canarias had this
Of course they removed them post war
make Canarias 1950s 
I'd need to check what they changed in her later years.
they made 2 funnels again, but i dunno when exactly
Right they did do the funnel change
So she ends basically as just another County Class
Morning
the A-shape funnel is more preferrable though imo
You came after me in DMs after the match even tho I never pursued you
We've no plans for any SSN
which is the reason, why i got both Canarias and Baleares in the first place
I would like to know as to why you'd do such a thing
Shame, allows for some neat CI's
Bob, lets not use Game Discussion as an Arena alright?
Sorry boss, he just called me out for 2 shotting the Tromp and then trying to defend our only cap
In later years the german and japanese ships were removed from the sea surface yet we still have them in game smh
All because as a lighthouse Venezia I was sitting comfortable behind an island (I was still spotted btw) but no one was shooting me so I had free farm on their Vincent
just use dms
You are supposed to stop when asked to stop
Yes I won't pursue it anymore in public
Not continue
according to WoWS the germans and Japanese cease to exist after 45
it is what it is
I had a poor Petro in the Wisconsin game
welp, just got spawned on the sub flank







