game-discussion

[proven gyro]

tier 9 premium ships

and economic bonuses

ur also playing brawls so those missions give you an additional 750k (i think there are 3-4 of them)

[honest silo]

Hey WGPlsBuffSchlieffen.

[eager pumice]

some thought is required when 2 of your teammates (one of them a DD) is a bot every match

[proven gyro]

good morning

[lavish elbow]

absolutely agree

[eager pumice]

and you have to cautiously insert yourself into a 4v1 to not lose

[proven gyro]

ong. secondary reload needs to be cut down to 0.5 seconds

[minor merlin]

lmao

[lavish elbow]

gonna play some battlefield see ya in some mins chat

[eager pumice]

are you in 1v1 brawls lol

[minor merlin]

yes

[eager pumice]

you can exceed 100 defend ribbons with secondaries

[proven gyro]

wait it's 1v1s again?

[eager pumice]

it's comedic

[lavish elbow]

wrong. they gotta buff them to 0.00011111 sec reload

[minor merlin]

ah

[eager pumice]

uhhh
yes has been this whole week and you have about 30 hours more to enjoy it

[proven gyro]

that's probably better but we got to be realistic fr

[proven gyro]

oh shit

[eager pumice]

unfortunately 1v1 brawls is

all valp

[proven gyro]

i got to start playing the game again 🤣

[lavish elbow]

yeah

[eager pumice]

since it's t9

[lavish elbow]

ok see ya chat

[eager pumice]

you're not missing much in this regard

[honest silo]

For sure I will try to complete some Dockyard Mission.

[proven gyro]

yeah idk abt t9 brawls this time 🤣

[eager pumice]

Cambridge

Anti-Valp

[proven gyro]

mm

will try it

got to make sure not to expose that broadside though

[digital locust]

Why would Cambridge be anti valp

[eager pumice]

has an improved heal for the initial engagement
can cit valp at mid-close range so it can force valp to not use all guns/secondaries
27mm doesn't get OVM by Valp

also the typical anti-valp strat is Paolo so Cambridge + hydro is workable against that too

Still will lose to Valp if the Valp is passive enough and can draw the engagement out so you kind of need to run them down though

[digital locust]

Still eats pens like anything else

[proven gyro]

haven't encountered a valp yet

german ships 😭

[eager pumice]

well there's not a lot of options in this regard

manteu and rupprecht will be
an issue for cambridge

(meanwhile Valp smacks them)

or if you run into too many of those maybe the play is Georgia

[ancient monolith]

imagine playing colombo and missing most of your shots, wtf just happened. this one is on me

[tardy tree]

"nerf" not even arrived yet

[proven gyro]

mk

[eager pumice]

in the end we cannot pretend Valpa isn't basically decisively the meta for T9 brawls

like everyone else will be building whole strats around beating Valp while having contingencies for other ships and any good Valp will still be cruising with like a 70% WR

[digital locust]

I mean Valp is what makes ranked a breeze instead of a mental breakdown

You just click battle and chill to 80% wr

[eager pumice]

I play on Asia
Ranked with Valp is a mental breakdown because you need to 2v1 the enemy Valps while also having bot tier players on your team

Ranked with anything else is unserious

[digital locust]

You just trick them to push into you

And grief torpedo ships with temu hydro

[eager pumice]

I basically let them come and then pincer them between me and whatever ally I still have left

and like 1/4 games is 200k

[ancient monolith]

yeah, I'll shoot only within 10km with the new version, just to be safe

[proven gyro]

except for the people playing against it

[shell temple]

adatara in 1v1 brawls here we go

[digital locust]

Skill issue

[proven gyro]

i think the plan here should be: kite away and just overmatch him everywhere

[eager pumice]

are you brave, or foolish

[proven gyro]

or mad*

[shell temple]

cant it be both?

[lucid wagon]

Honestly at this point bringing anything but Valparaiso is unfortunately just griefing

For ranked

[eager pumice]

yes and this is why I hate T9 ranked

[shell temple]

this is why we dont touch ranked at all 😎

[digital locust]

Cant wait for new season of t9 ranked

[eager pumice]

you (in valp) fighting 2 other tryhards (in valps) as your teammates (not valps) are basically a bunch of afks or midrushers

hard to lose stars, I'll say that

[digital locust]

Considering how many opponent valps cannot into pressing FRT on cooldown...

[shell temple]

why dont they just...ban valapariso from ranked?

[eager pumice]

and you'll get wins where you have more BXP than half your teammates

[digital locust]

Keep calm and abuse star system

[shell temple]

WG bans ships from CB why not from ranked aswell

[digital locust]

No better feeling than making sure nobody on your team gets to save a star while you don't care because you're there only to farm wins

[proven gyro]

ez

why would you turn broadside to ohio guns in a rupprecht

[wheat cobalt]

sniffen line

🥀

[shell temple]

[proven gyro]

he thought "press w to win"

[rustic hearth]

what do with this

[proven gyro]

i thought "press W and D to win"

[shell temple]

he must use the torpedoes (trust)

[proven gyro]

sell it

[shell temple]

is that AL Shinano or the regular

[proven gyro]

wait i thought it was sekiryu

[rustic hearth]

awh...

[shell temple]

eh I guess I can kinda see where the confusion would come from

[rustic hearth]

how does shinano resemble sekiryu

[proven gyro]

superstructure

kind of

[rustic hearth]

？？？？？？？

[rustic hearth]

fair enouf

[proven gyro]

[rustic hearth]

sekiryu is clearly prettier

[shell temple]

I do like the look of Sekiryu tbf

[rustic hearth]

so pretty in fact, if i had the money, id build one and get arrested for building a warship without government approval

[proven gyro]

she looks much more "modern"

[rustic hearth]

that she does

to be fair shinano is a battleship converted to carrier, so it explains

[proven gyro]

eagle is the most based aircraft carrier in terms of apperance though

[rustic hearth]

Plus it was a genuine cv as well

[proven gyro]

though i may be biased due to the fact that I am indeed 🇬🇧

[proven gyro]

exactly, audacious class

2nd i believe, after ark royal

[ancient monolith]

today is 80% loss, a great day

I think I will lose on purpose with sibir until I get to 30% wr

[proven gyro]

😭

[ancient monolith]

then it can only go up from there

[fringe crow]

Eagle was the first of the two to commission by a few years

[ancient monolith]

the better I get at aiming with sibir the worse I get with colombo

how does it work?

[radiant olive]

ok, yeah, i'm done

understood game

that's 4 games in a row i get the absolute worst team imaginable

[river dune]

this is a good message to see when im about to hop on

[radiant olive]

depends on how much matchmaking wants to ruin your day

tbh

[mystic birch]

Quick question: I am sort of new to the game. For Tier 11 ships do I need 3 Tier 10 from the tech tree or do premium ships count as well?

[radiant olive]

tech tree ships

[mystic birch]

Thank you ❤️

[ancient monolith]

weekends are a wg tactic to make us lose wr so we have to play during the week to correct

[light harbor]

Perhaps div?

[rare schooner]

Found 3 builds for Hannover!

Source Document: wo.ws/builds

Click the button(s) to open a build.

[cold geyser]

don't buy

they aren't worth the money

they have exorbitant maintenance costs, they provide less of a reward than tier 10 ships during fleet events, and they aren't that muc h better than their tier 10 counterparts. you should save purchasing them for when you have nothing else to spend credits on

[ancient monolith]

this weekend is really ass

like worst than ass even

[cold geyser]

the "end game" is tier 10. super ships are a curiosity, nothing more

[steel pier]

superships arent worth. money gain is in the negative. only good to look at. or to be played, when you got 50 Bajillion credits at hand

[rustic hearth]

or unless your rich enough to buy economic boosters for them

which i do plan on

[cold geyser]

if you have mastered the underlying concepts of the tier 10 version of the ship

like, you can consistantly win more than 60% of games with more than 2k PR

and you're willing to burn boosters on it

then, maybe its worth it

and they super aren't worth it if you only play PvE

thats another consideration

[steel pier]

even with boosters, gain is still negative, till almost nothing at best

[cold geyser]

anyway, we're just trying to save this guy the shit feeling of buying the ship and then realizing how shit it is and just having it as a port queen. the benefit of experience, passed on from the people who have actually done that

if he wants to waste his money obviously he is free to do so

[rustic hearth]

surely its a good investment

[steel pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/no-bugs-bunny-fXnRObM8Q0RkOmR5nf

[light harbor]

I was just sitting in port

[cold geyser]

not same. prob just your shard

[light harbor]

Or my wifi might be on the fritz again

[cold geyser]

tru

[light harbor]

Both are equally likely

[cold geyser]

someone tell me why NAVAL BATTLE ATTEMPTS, of all things, are the only thing that resets at midnight local time

missed out on 2 attempts

actually it might be EU reset

now that i think about it

thats fucking cursed tho

its probably because naval battles are cross server

[rustic hearth]

probably that

[coral herald]

Prinz heinrich needs to be nerfed

Obnoxious overpowered crap

[ancient monolith]

new sleep mode for people who sit doing nothing in port

[light harbor]

Looks at Teng She

Not the worst anymore

[trim halo]

hi guys, recently started playing mostly because of collab with azur lane 😄 question, if I have opened multiple containers and got multiple commanders for the same ship, what should I do with duplicates? Is there any system where I can feed them into the main one for any form of upgrade?

[light harbor]

I'd just come out of an asym

[blazing palm]

Of course. Sorry for the late reply, got a bit busy.

Hello

[coral herald]

Duplicates just stay there until you decide to assign them to any other ship

Or you can dismiss them

[blazing palm]

You can dismiss them for credits to get some commander XP to then train the main one. Or you can assign them to other ships.

[trim halo]

ok got it thnnk you guys!

[cold geyser]

brawls btw

xD

[lucid wagon]

Tent she is really rare tho

I have not seen one in forever

[untold thistle]

I saw one when I divved with icecreams and _kowatari

[lucid wagon]

How was ice creams

I have not seen them here

[cold geyser]

?

how

[lucid wagon]

I mean

I have not seen them speak here in awhile

[cold geyser]

did they leave the server

o.O

nah

3 days

[untold thistle]

prob quit wows

she's playing MC and Roblox a lot

[light harbor]

...probably for the best

[untold thistle]

yep

she's clearly not enjoying wows

[plush smelt]

the ragebait person?

[lucid wagon]

Do people generally quit that fast

[light harbor]

A lot of new people do

[ancient monolith]

the depressed one?

[untold thistle]

the one that spammed yuri gifs

[light harbor]

WoWS is unintuitive and mechanically challenging; I know at least a couple people who quit in under 10 hours

[plush smelt]

dopamine receptors so fried that low tier feels so slow paced

[untold thistle]

the game teaches you the bare minimum

[light harbor]

Play a low tier destroyer

[fringe crow]

If even that

[lucid wagon]

I mean maybe that is why most adults like this game

[light harbor]

It feels like you're a bowling ball aimed at the enemy bowling pins

[plush smelt]

is it really unintuitive i felt like it was pretty easy to grasp cuz of how slow paced it is

[untold thistle]

you actually have to play by years of experience or watch YT videos to even know how to play properly

[lucid wagon]

Years of experience who are we lying too

[light harbor]

It took me 3 IRL years to figure out the basics

So yes

[plush smelt]

hmm ok

[tawdry turret]

she's still playing

she just hasn't been chatting

[lucid wagon]

I feel like it took me 1 year to actually figure out what I am doing and 8 years of me just fucking around

[untold thistle]

were you playing blind without any guides?

[lucid wagon]

Considering I went from like 52% solo to 62% solo in a year and a half

[lucid wagon]

For the first 5 years yeah

I was 10 when I started

[untold thistle]

you're an outlier huh

[plush smelt]

i was fucking around for like a 1000 battles then i somehow figured it out

[fringe crow]

They really should have something like the Gran Turismo license tests that walks players through gameplay mechanics

[light harbor]

The problem is less going from 52% to unicum and more going from 46% to 52%

[untold thistle]

also, if you're young, you tend to make worse mistakes at first then get better exponentially faster than if you were an adult

[tawdry turret]

i did 2k games for the first 3-4 years before I moved into my training arc

[plush smelt]

i mean

[light harbor]

Because going above a "good" winrate is just a case of extrapolation

[lucid wagon]

Maybe this is why I suddenly got Gud so fast

After I turn like 16 I suddenly skyrocket in skill

Lel

[untold thistle]

pretty much

[plush smelt]

46 to 52 is pretty much a given if you're actually trying to learn

imo

[untold thistle]

the younger you are, the easier it is to pick up a game, hobby or skill and get better

[light harbor]

Something like that would be nice to have

[light harbor]

It's also a case of prior experience leading you the wrong way in some respects

If you've played a normal shooter before, you'll yolo in because you're expecting the game to be quick

If you've played a normal naval game before, this game has absolutely nothing to do with them mechanically

[untold thistle]

yeah

[plush smelt]

my skill is so stagnant now

idk how to improve anymore

[lusty lagoon]

how the hell

[light harbor]

I'm not exactly deep in the land of competitive shooters but I know a friend who is, and he bounced off hard from this game precisely because it shares no similarities with other 'tactical shooters'

[plush smelt]

im guessing they dont have a lot of total games

[vague cedar]

Little bit late on the reply, eh
Anything interesting to share, sir?

[plush smelt]

so winrate improved fast once they figured it out

[lucid wagon]

62% is my solo recents

[honest silo]

Hey Cirzoo.

Hey DinhTuan.

[lucid wagon]

Overall I’m basically 58%

[plush smelt]

hello

[light harbor]

I suppose in that respect, I've gone from a 55% player to a 61% player in a year-ish

[lucid wagon]

62% is over my last 3,200 games tho becsuse apparently I played ONE THIRD OF MY TOTAL GAMES in only a year

[honest silo]

Hey MrOrangeJuice.

[lusty lagoon]

sup andrea

[lucid wagon]

I feel like once you get to 55% you can start to drastically improve a lot and a lot

Until a certain point

[light harbor]

Although I'm counting my recent games as in the last 90 days

[wheat cobalt]

skibidi rizzler

[lusty lagoon]

oh lmao i thought that was overall

[light harbor]

A lot of people don't is the funny thing

[honest silo]

I'm for the major and also currently learning quite a lot of things and seeing things I didn't saw in the past tbh guys.

[lucid wagon]

I mean 58% overall isnt bad right

[lusty lagoon]

58% is good

[light harbor]

...although to be fair I'm a 56% overall

[plush smelt]

it isnt

[untold thistle]

honestly, I should graph the learning curves in wows

[honest silo]

Hey mehfia.

[lusty lagoon]

i'm at 52 rn cuz i fucked around for too long

[light harbor]

I wouldn't

[lusty lagoon]

44% at 2k battles

[light harbor]

It'll just make you sad

[honest silo]

I'm sure at 100% that I'm still in the learning curve.

[untold thistle]

yeah

[light harbor]

There are people with 10s of thousands of games with no idea what they're doing

[honest silo]

I'm not at 52%, but yeah did too many mistakes in the past.

[honest silo]

True.

[plush smelt]

if ur at 62% over the last 3000 games being unicum is just a matter of spamming games atp

[untold thistle]

sub 44% wr with 30k games

[proven gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[untold thistle]

I've seen a few in EU but I still can't believe they exist

[tawdry turret]

[plush smelt]

do you think the playerbase would improve if they removed german ships from the game

[tawdry turret]

i mean my first 2k was like 45

[lucid wagon]

My main drive to learn the game is just the fact it feels really good to be able to carry some games by yourself

[light harbor]

I've had something of a dip recently

[lucid wagon]

Yo dude

[ripe falcon]

oh look even more subs no one asked for

[tawdry turret]

because im dumbass

[lucid wagon]

Go on wowsnumbers NA

[honest silo]

I think probably.

[proven gyro]

i found someone with a 36% wr with like 10k games 😭

[lucid wagon]

And search up footgoo and cash1942

these are REAL people

Not bots.

[light harbor]

Oh hey I know those people

[lucid wagon]

They’re getting worse btw

[plush smelt]

try running MM monitor you'll find that they exist in abundance

[light harbor]

Arden was complaining about them sometime in the past

[lucid wagon]

They’re the worst players I’ve seen in the entire game no joke thst I think are actual humans

[proven gyro]

brawling a benham 😭

[untold thistle]

I already do

[proven gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-platoon-vietnam-war-gif-19289153

vietnam ahh

[honest silo]

But yeah I'm pretty motivated in getting better and learning to play WoWs guys.

[lucid wagon]

Very good

Usually I am fine with like 46-51% if theyre just playing for fun

Its like whatever

[tawdry turret]

[lucid wagon]

But god do I hate the “I’m playing for fun” 43% wr warrior

That has not shown a single ounce of improvement

[honest silo]

Yeah I agree.

[proven gyro]

I WIN

[plush smelt]

they're not playing for fun they're just handicapped

[honest silo]

I also hate the suicide rush tbh.

[lucid wagon]

If you’re improving but you’re at like 43% it’s like, you’re still trying, so it’s still good

But if you’re not improving and you’re not trying it’s like what are we doing

[proven gyro]

fucking cracked secondaries

[honest silo]

I'm currently at 46%.

[tawdry turret]

the problem is that they're getting worse

[honest silo]

But yeah I should focus on doing one thing at time for sure.

[lusty lagoon]

holy shit

my eyes

[plush smelt]

dude the worst is when someone does some stupid shit and plays like an idiot and then i check mm monitor and he's like 52%

[lucid wagon]

But improving right?

[honest silo]

I mean like currently with Aircraft Carriers.

[light harbor]

Everyone has bad days

[honest silo]

Yep, correct.

[lucid wagon]

This reminds me of when I witnessed John the ruthless get devstruck in Colbert

LOL

that was quite a scene

[lusty lagoon]

ig someone really loves nurnberg

[proven gyro]

😭

[plush smelt]

that's a cannon event

if ur not blowing up ur not playing colbert

[light harbor]

I got myself devstruck like an idiot a couple days back because I greeded in my smoke even though I knew there were Shima torps coming

[lusty lagoon]

...that sounds like me

[lucid wagon]

You know this reminds me

[jolly shard]

shld have known smog is torp magnet

[plush smelt]

yea but like it is annoying

[jolly shard]

at least in pvp

[severe plank]

you know what it's probably not a good idea to bring halland to finish the torp hits mission

[lucid wagon]

When I play Smaland 2 weeks ago I was like “man I know the Kushiro fired his torpedoes at my area” and I was despite knowing that

[light harbor]

I still ended up with unicum PR because Kitakaze is hilariously misplayed but yeah

[lucid wagon]

I just stood still and kept farming

[plush smelt]

like if ur playing that bad it's less tilting when ur like 44%

[lucid wagon]

So guess what happened like a minute later LOL

[jolly shard]

bots in pve dont know how to blindfire/torp smog

[light harbor]

Yeah that's basically the same event

[jolly shard]

but they can radar you

[light harbor]

Maybe we're the same person secretly

[lucid wagon]

Real

[lucid wagon]

Honestly when a ‘good’ player plays bad

You have to check their tiers

[plush smelt]

i think i ran into a bought account the other day

[lucid wagon]

I witnessed a 65% wr player try to FARM in fucking HALFORD and then it turned out he was just a reroll Gulio cesare warrior

[plush smelt]

60% overall winrate over like 20k games

but like 49% on hinden

[lucid wagon]

Buying accounts for wr what are we doing

[honest silo]

One of my recent battle with Aircraft Carriers while I'm still learning them SymboliRudolf.

[plush smelt]

the only time ill defend that big of a winrate delta is if ur playing a shimakaze

[jolly shard]

sealclubber moment

[lucid wagon]

Oh wow you definitely improved a lot! Good job. I feel like 3-4 days ago I saw picture of you at only 15-20k dmg

[bronze flame]

My torpedo is bigger than urs

[jolly shard]

worthless wr

[honest silo]

Yeah, true and thanks.

[plush smelt]

how people manage >50% WR in a shima is beyond me

[lusty lagoon]

hmm those aren't bad games

[light harbor]

It is I, sealclubber

[honest silo]

I agree.

[junior osprey]

Tbh isn't it hard to farm PR with Cesare?

[plush smelt]

bbs must love you

[jolly shard]

duh

[light harbor]

They do

[lucid wagon]

I’m not too sure but the man had like 2/3rds of his game on Gulio and Repulse

His PR was like great I think

[light harbor]

I've been repairing my Moskva stats though

[plush smelt]

honestly id be unicum already if I knew how to check the minimap

[junior osprey]

Yeah getting dark purple on ceasare isn't that easy, it takes like what 100k 2 kills or so

[honest silo]

But yeah for sure I will keep working on improving with Aircraft Carriers.

[junior osprey]

Which idk if is so easy to do every game on low tiers

[light harbor]

Repulse is probably a lot easier to get PR in

[lucid wagon]

Have you seen my Utrecht stats

[honest silo]

But also with Battleships, Cruiser, Destroyers and also sub.

[lucid wagon]

I hate them si much

[light harbor]

She's one of those that are criminally misplayed

[light harbor]

I have not

[lucid wagon]

It is like Unicum dmg avg unicum or

[light harbor]

Oh wait

[lucid wagon]

0% winrate over 20 games

LOL

[plush smelt]

i am seal clubbing in reverse

[light harbor]

Yeah I remember

On the other hand though

[lucid wagon]

Still relatively easy to farm wr tho

[tawdry turret]

Utrecht

[honest silo]

I need to fix my Rhode Island for sure.

[lucid wagon]

And also if you need to farm PR just play Tirpitz

I feel like Tirpitz is the best pr farmer

[plush smelt]

if you do NOT wanna farm PR play rhode island B

[livid shadow]

anyone else having like half their mods not working anymore?

[lucid wagon]

It is hilariously easy to get obscene pr

[light harbor]

It's not that hard

[honest silo]

I don't have ther Black Friday one.

[light harbor]

It's a lot harder with St. Vincent

[honest silo]

Tbh.

[lucid wagon]

Nobody plays it + the ship is cracked

[open yarrow]

I got shima 🙂

[plush smelt]

to get good PR?

[honest silo]

Hey CaptainHelix.

[light harbor]

Vincent has absurdly inflated PR from back when she was the most OP ship in the game

[light harbor]

Yup

[plush smelt]

it's my second best ship after DM and I lose PR every game cuz of it

[lucid wagon]

Still among the top imo

[light harbor]

Oh yeah absolutely

[plush smelt]

what mods?

[lucid wagon]

I feel like St Vincent is somehow slept on now

[honest silo]

One question guys as I'm curious.

[lucid wagon]

Because I just NEVER see her

[light harbor]

But not the best battleship in the game anymore

[junior osprey]

Yea that's piss easy

[open yarrow]

St Vincent is still a very strong ship

[livid shadow]

consumable mod, radar mod, smoke mod etc

[light harbor]

Probably because she's cursed

[untold thistle]

I can't see ally consumables, build viewer isn't working too

[lucid wagon]

The question is how do you even have fun repetitively doing that. It makes no sense to me.

[untold thistle]

I can't even see radar and hydro radius

[plush smelt]

they were working when I played yesterday maybe something broke since then

[honest silo]

While I play doing Randoms also for learn, doing pratice and improving I usually always listen to music for help myself, it's a good thing to do?

Or no?

[light harbor]

Whatever works for you

[livid shadow]

guess i am not alone then

[livid shadow]

plenty hp to spare

[light harbor]

I don't because I stop paying attention to the minimap

[tardy tree]

new sticker for server

[light harbor]

Oh yeah I noticed that as well

[honest silo]

I see.

[tardy tree]

exactly

[lucid wagon]

I’m gonna be honest as much as people stress look at the minimap.. I do not look at the minimap much

Maybe I am doing it unconcious

But I dont like actively stare it down

[livid shadow]

i dont even have one

[plush smelt]

lmaoo im on the duncan max damage leaderboard with dogshit stats

[livid shadow]

minimap overrated

ngl

[untold thistle]

I can't believe the enemy cv is named hentai_lover69, how was this allowed

[honest silo]

I see.

[plush smelt]

i dont either

[lucid wagon]

Not saying dont look at the minimap u should

[plush smelt]

but i should

[honest silo]

I honestly look at the Minimap, but I don't stare at it also.

[lucid wagon]

I just dont really focus on it

[plush smelt]

cuz it gets me killed and puts me in bad positions

[lusty lagoon]

i mean it's just weird

[honest silo]

I look at the minimap, but I just don't focus stare to it.

[lusty lagoon]

i guess?

[lucid wagon]

I also dont get people who memorize every arming threshold and armor value and all this technical bullshit stat known to mankind

Maybe that is preventing me from becoming 65% supercoomer

But like

[light harbor]

[livid shadow]

it aint that hard

[plush smelt]

no one is memorizing shit they just get familiar with them over time

[lucid wagon]

I know some dude who memorized the conning tower armor on Kremlin

And the turret face armor

Tf are you using that info for

[severe plank]

damn that's one brave kleber

brave or stupid

[honest silo]

And thanks for the answer average_atlanta_enjoyer and SymboliRudolf.

[lucid wagon]

Like obviously you gotta know 1/4 he pen and all that stuff

[west scaffold]

isn't that what memorizing thing is

[honest silo]

Hey Snorti_Boi.

[lucid wagon]

Ya

[severe plank]

this guy thought it would be a good idea to gunfight

a hawaii

[lucid wagon]

Bro?

[west scaffold]

what ship was he in

[plush smelt]

i guess but i dont think that's what they meant

[severe plank]

kleber

[west scaffold]

[lucid wagon]

Too be fair one time I tried to fight a 15k health Des Moines in my Groningen as a last ditch attempt

It sort of worked… I guess

I died but I got him down to like 1k health so he got oneshot by some random sub torpedo

[honest silo]

Nice.

[west scaffold]

one time I destroyed a colb as a marceau

out baguetted

[lucid wagon]

This reminds me of hull shenanigans

I was playing Minotaur and got jumped by 2 hulls in a div

I hated that

[honest silo]

In one battle as it was at random while using Mahan I blinded shot my torpedo and one lucky torpedo hit and I had sunk a Jager SymboliRudolf.

[west scaffold]

two sentence horror story

[dim bridge]

well well well gentlemen

Just got back from work

[topaz coyote]

Go back to work

[lucid wagon]

I love moments like these honestly. Every time I grind up Japanese lines or Italian line I like to fire off my torpedoes randomly and just hope

And every once and awhile it works

[dim bridge]

n o

[lucid wagon]

One time I hit a submarine with 2 brindisi torpedoes fired eons ago

[plush smelt]

t8 cruisers kinda goated?

[honest silo]

True and I agree.

[lucid wagon]

Lmao

[honest silo]

Nice.

[plush smelt]

when is the heal change coming?

[dim bridge]

next update

[honest silo]

15.4 if not wrong?

[untold thistle]

san diego gets a heal so that's a bonus for t8 cruisers

[lucid wagon]

Sometimes when I play submarine I surface at the worst possible moment

[light harbor]

Next patch

[dim bridge]

5 days from now

I believe

[honest silo]

Hey Artillerist.

[lucid wagon]

One time I surfaced strsight into a Shimakaze salvo

[topaz coyote]

Your belief is correct

[light harbor]

Martel with heal is going to be insane

[dim bridge]

yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yoyo

[iron eagle]

FREE KILL!

[untold thistle]

so you just suck in subs

[lusty lagoon]

what the hell

[topaz coyote]

Can't wait for the DD heal change

[plush smelt]

martel dpm felt crazy for a t8

[lucid wagon]

It was one time

[lusty lagoon]

i only remember general armor values

of ships t8+

most of them

[plush smelt]

tho it was inflated cuz i was running lighthouse

[dim bridge]

I like to bounce 508mm gun AP with the conning tower

[lucid wagon]

Guys I know how to angle to bounce 510mm in Des Moines

It’s really simple

[dim bridge]

Use children as a shield

[plush smelt]

lighthouse might not be for everyone but man it does shit out damage

[dim bridge]

those little shits are dense

[topaz coyote]

Get on your knees and pray

[honest silo]

Hey Gl4ss_Heart.

[topaz coyote]

Hi

[lucid wagon]

You know this reminds me

When I was playing yesterday

I saw an Iwami and was like “it’s an Iwami wtf is an Iwami gonna do to me I’m in Des Moines”

[honest silo]

But yeah for sure guys I will keep working on getting better, watching G4ng videa and so on.

[lucid wagon]

And suspiciously 50 seconds later I was at 18k from full

LOL

[topaz coyote]

Tsk tsk

Your hubris was your undoing

[lucid wagon]

Bow in as well

[dim bridge]

27mm nose

lol

[lucid wagon]

Yeah

[topaz coyote]

Should be 30mm tbh

[lucid wagon]

I know he can overmatch me but I did not expect him to pull the greatest dispersion ever

[dim bridge]

Should be but that would involve cruisers getting any form of actual amor

[plush smelt]

just dodge lil vro

[austere mango]

Allways expect the worse from enemy ships - that way you only can be positively surprised...

[honest silo]

I had done that in Big Wisky and survived, farmed and sunk a Satsuma.

[light harbor]

Main gun Iwami jumpscare

[austere mango]

BTW, same goes from friendly ships on your team 😄

[topaz coyote]

Tbh as much as I hate it overmatch is a necessary evil, cruisers would be insanely oppressive otherwise

[plush smelt]

fr half of those people run secondary

[lucid wagon]

Yeah thats true

[dim bridge]

Hes right I like to ram light cruisers in my team out from island cover and in front of BBs for fun

[lucid wagon]

I just think that overmatch like

Idk in a way does too much damage?

[topaz coyote]

Yea

[light harbor]

I'd rather there be a different solution personally

[topaz coyote]

Full pen damage is a bit goofy

[lucid wagon]

Getting rid of overmatch is bad becsuse then cruisers just free reign kill

[open yarrow]

First game in Shima, not a bad ship tbh. But too reliant on those torp hits

[light harbor]

Especially now with shit like Bungo

[severe plank]

I just watched this Kleber get closer and closer to the Hawaii like

“Does he know” is what I was thinking

[plush smelt]

keep playing you'll realize how shit it is soon enough

[open yarrow]

Torp dd's in general

But she has a role

[plush smelt]

i also thought it was really good after i dev struck 3 ships in three torpedo volleys

[lucid wagon]

Bruh why does your stories remind me of my divmates so much. My friend wanted to take a gamble on Hawaii not being on B Cap in the middle. He was on B cap in the middle.. (sunset isles)

[topaz coyote]

My idea would to rework the overmatch formula so it works with relative armor thickness

[dim bridge]

Torp dds in this meta good god

[open yarrow]

screening and spotting

[honest silo]

Yep, found the screenshot of that battle in witch I had done 200k and done 133k damage at Satsuma.

[open yarrow]

I was in a game with 3 radar ships on the enemy team

[light harbor]

So something like the partial overmatch system in WoT?

[topaz coyote]

But that would invited a lot of violence on ships with thin plating overall

[open yarrow]

was radared a few times, but very doable when hiding behind islands

[lucid wagon]

Guys when we play DDs dont we all love when the enemy team has 5 radars and your team ahs none

[topaz coyote]

Yea

[lucid wagon]

Because that hapoened to me once

[plush smelt]

genuinely tanking my PR with battleships

it's a good thing i dont care about PR

[topaz coyote]

Das what I'm sayin

[quick pendant]

The quiz says i am this guy. Share yours too.

[lucid wagon]

12km radar was made by the devil

[tardy tree]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-he-just-like-he-just-like-me-fr-meme-gif-573734217303447410

[proven gyro]

cunningham was giga based where is this

[topaz coyote]

You don't understand, you sitting nose in 18km away and taking 37k is very fair

[austere mango]

Would be much better with a Partial Intelligence System in WoWS.,.. Instead of the current where your team either has NO intelligence or so much intelligence that you end up with only 30 K damage, and they swiped the floor with the enmy before you got in range...

[proven gyro]

exactly

makes it less arcadey

[quick pendant]

Some quiz the game gave me (within game's client) What means giga-based?

[proven gyro]

he was extremely cool

that's what it means

[light harbor]

Looks at the bow-in Bremen I clicked 3 times for all their HP

Very fair, yes

[topaz coyote]

Best thing is when there's a Moskva locking down your flank and the middle so you can't do shit

[plush smelt]

it's a bremen they deserve it

[analog jackal]

Moskva mentioned

[lucid wagon]

What do you mean? The Minotaur I devstrike in Vermont because he showed like one too many pixel of broadside at an island totally deserved it (this dude was a O7 member btw)

Was playing like a god as well

[proven gyro]

extremely true

[light harbor]

Nevsky is a lot worse than Moskva against destroyers

[quick pendant]

So what other results are possible? What other captains can you be? I guess the other legendaries right?

[light harbor]

At least Moskva is spotted from the moon

[topaz coyote]

Dear god we need to do away with the stepped cit bs

[plush smelt]

yea but who tf plays nevsky

[proven gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/fact-check-british-cromwell-lord-protector-gif-15617269048567986389

[light harbor]

Looks at next clan battle season

Who indeed

[lucid wagon]

When I play Nevsky with Kowatari

It was so angering for no reason

Like I farmed 178k dmg but the guns anger me

They anger me so much

It feels like I am firing inaccurate pea shooters that go like Mach 50000

[light harbor]

Meanwhile, legmod Moskva:

[plush smelt]

the dpm is just kinda meh

[topaz coyote]

True but in randoms Nevsky is usually less common and is way farther away than a Moskva tends to be. But if it gets to its favorite hiding spot or in modes like Ranked...

[plush smelt]

but i did play one of the best games ive ever played in it

[topaz coyote]

It's just ass

[lucid wagon]

I love Stalingrad

[light harbor]

In randoms, Nevsky isn't as big a deal yes

[topaz coyote]

Or even when it gets smoked

[lucid wagon]

Why dont we talk about Stalingrad

[plush smelt]

it was my previous damage record and i carried the shit out of my team with a super unicum submarine

[lucid wagon]

Yeah but it it’s a well played kiting Nevsky you might as well just kill yourself

[plush smelt]

i think it was erazer

[honest silo]

Oh, yeah true.

[topaz coyote]

Moskva tends to do the job better

[light harbor]

In a destroyer, yes

[lucid wagon]

Die

[honest silo]

Sorry for the late reply SymboliRudolf.

[topaz coyote]

[honest silo]

I was eating lunch.

[lucid wagon]

Its fine

I love Stalingrad!!

[plush smelt]

you dont gotta type out the name word for word every time 😭

[lucid wagon]

Hes formal like that

You dont get it.l

[topaz coyote]

Yea

[plush smelt]

[lucid wagon]

Also when I play Worcester (which I love) I feel like crying

[plush smelt]

should I seal club on some kids in a sinop

[lucid wagon]

Because Worcester is the only ship I get devstruck in so much

[plush smelt]

or will i run into a valpa

[light harbor]

Seal club in a Teng She instead

[plush smelt]

i dont know what that is nor do I have it

[lucid wagon]

Like I don’t think I get devstruck as much in Hector or Colbert as I do in Worcester

And idk why

[topaz coyote]

Same, it struggles too much against BBs at ranges her shells have reasonable flight times

[light harbor]

Sinop with Bungo spotter plane

It's as dumb as it sounds

[plush smelt]

wait actually i kinda like having dogshit stats in a sinop

[steel pier]

if by any dark voices telling me us DDs, which line would be good?

[lucid wagon]

Gdansk

[light harbor]

For randoms?

[steel pier]

us =/= eu

[steel pier]

ofc not

[light harbor]

Harugumo

[lucid wagon]

I’m not a US player

What

[plush smelt]

RU BBs were my first line so it lowkey feels like history

gotta preserve it

[topaz coyote]

Not for Gerhard (no offense)

[lucid wagon]

Well I play in NA but I live in Taiwan

[steel pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179482944700698785/1437133247237591082/caption.gif

[topaz coyote]

Hello

[steel pier]

long finished. i said us

[light harbor]

Oh

[lucid wagon]

Blatantly strong DD is actually bad????

[light harbor]

Probably neither then

Burrows if you're forced to play one

[analog jackal]

Thats cuz ur smart and recognize NA is the best server

[honest silo]

One question guys.

[topaz coyote]

My thoughts exactly

[lucid wagon]

Why do you make it sound bad

Burrows is pretty good

[steel pier]

i wouldnt call this dark voice forcing, but demanding rather

[plush smelt]

daring

[steel pier]

daring is uk

[topaz coyote]

USS Daring

[honest silo]

If one day I should do a Imperial Japanese Navy Tech Tree line which one you would suggest? Outside of the Yamato one as I'm already at IJN Yamato.

[steel pier]

us

[plush smelt]

oh US

mb

[light harbor]

Not in PvE

[topaz coyote]

Sus

[plush smelt]

US is british tho

[lucid wagon]

USS Cossack when

[honest silo]

USS Prinz Eugen.

[analog jackal]

Burrows is a DD in the game

[topaz coyote]

Burrows kiting angles tho 🤢

[lucid wagon]

Honestly Burrows isnt bad but I’d rather play A. Regolo if I’m gonna play smth with sap

[topaz coyote]

Imagine getting outkited by fucking Druid

[lucid wagon]

And I jsut pretend f Sherman doesn’t exist becsuse I hate Sherman players

[plush smelt]

is mahan lowkey the best t7 dd?

the dpm is kinda nuts

[topaz coyote]

Uh

[honest silo]

Yeah.

She is a good dd as I used her.

[topaz coyote]

It is pretty strong

[light harbor]

Looks at Hughes SAP DPM

[lucid wagon]

I think everyone should be forced to grind the A Regolo line becsuse genuinely whoever made it is evil

At low tier your range is lesser then your concealment.

[analog jackal]

Its good its just feels bad to play imo

[plush smelt]

best dpm and it's not even close

[lucid wagon]

Low tier a Regolo line is an actual meme

[topaz coyote]

• Signed Musolini

[plush smelt]

the only downside is that shit concealment

[honest silo]

But yeah what you would suggest SymboliRudolf, average_atlanta_enjoyer and Cirzoo?

[lucid wagon]

Bungo, Harugumo, Zao.

[steel pier]

Channel Dash camo
prinz eugen after surrender:

[light harbor]

SAP DPM

[plush smelt]

bungo

the rest are all ass

[lucid wagon]

Yamato is not ass

Zao is not ass

Harugumo is not ass

[steel pier]

Zao HE smacks

[plush smelt]

who is playing zao in 2026

💀

[steel pier]

Harugumo spams

[lucid wagon]

Me

[steel pier]

many ppl it seems

[honest silo]

So no IJN Aircraft Carriers?

[topaz coyote]

Zao is still nice

[lucid wagon]

Zao is actually pretty fine now since they gave it the 5,000 buffs

[plush smelt]

harugumo only exists to farm RB points too

[light harbor]

Since when is Harugumo considered bad?

[dim bridge]

Zao is really really good as a heavy cruiser

[honest silo]

As I have IJN Shinano.

[dim bridge]

Highly accurate

[light harbor]

Haru is unironically really strong after they randomly buffed her ballistics

[topaz coyote]

You be hating on Haru, it's great

[plush smelt]

i mean it is yeah

[lucid wagon]

How Wargaming feels after giving the most random unneeded buffs

[plush smelt]

but like are we really playing harugumo

[dim bridge]

Its just that its playstyle has changed a lot from its prime

[steel pier]

1 pt captain Clemson in random trust 💀

[plush smelt]

😭

[lucid wagon]

Sete de Setembro reference

[light harbor]

...yes?

[topaz coyote]

I am

[lucid wagon]

Bro harugumo is like one of the most common DDs

What are we talking about atp

[proven gyro]

USS prince eugene

[dim bridge]

Harugumo is a nice gunboat destoyer but its difficult to play

Great HE

[light harbor]

Also legmod Haru is the best smokebot in the game

[topaz coyote]

Granted I did reset the line but it's also because the ships are really comfy to play

[eager pumice]

Harugumo has effective DPM
Effective DPM solves a lot of problems in WoWs

[plush smelt]

lmao i have 0 games in harugumo even though ive obtained it like 5 times now

[lucid wagon]

Difficult to play my ass 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[light harbor]

...why is Harugumo hard to play?

[dim bridge]

non maneuverable as shit

[proven gyro]

what

[lucid wagon]

Harugumo gets so much handholding it’s crazy

[light harbor]

Smoking up and farming isn't exactly hard

[proven gyro]

you sit in smoke and just shit on things

it's rather simple

[plush smelt]

i hate long smokes

[topaz coyote]

That issue is exaggerated

[plush smelt]

i lowkey get 0 value out of them

[proven gyro]

^

[lucid wagon]

SOMEONE MENTIONED SMOKES. I HATE VAMPIRE 2 SMOKE.

[light harbor]

The meme about Haru is that she eats torps in the smoke because she's a long girl

[lucid wagon]

I LOVE HAVING SMOKE BUT I HATE HAVING MY LOCATION LEAKED 24/7

[dim bridge]

Its a massive destoyer and has issue with maneuverability

[eager pumice]

Harugumo's manuverability is an issue if you're fighting the enemy DD or being torped by the enemy DD

[honest silo]

Oh and thanks guys for the suggestion on Bungo, Harugumo and Zao.

[light harbor]

Just anticipate torpedoes and you'll be fine

[eager pumice]

there are ways to avoid or mitigate this situation

[topaz coyote]

If I would take people at their word I would deadass assume Haru is the second coming of Khaba's rudder shift

[plush smelt]

ass ship

daring mogs

[proven gyro]

ong

[topaz coyote]

[eager pumice]

(namely you can actually murder people in haru by not going for the DDs first, enemy DD will kill himself on his own)

[dim bridge]

If you need to avoid a gunfight with another destoryer as harugumo then you need to get in a fucking cruiser

[honest silo]

I see.

[plush smelt]

who was that vampire defender i was talking to before

[lucid wagon]

Or just play Barbiano

Lel

[light harbor]

?

[honest silo]

Is this line good or no?

[dim bridge]

Someone mentioned that its difficult to fight other DDs in harugumo and that avoiding it is better

[topaz coyote]

People will avoid you by default because of how deadly you are

[light harbor]

Other than maybe Smaland, Marceau and Kleber, what destroyer does Haru actively run from?

[livid shadow]

no

[proven gyro]

no it's trash

[lucid wagon]

The great La Pampa.

[proven gyro]

trust

[dim bridge]

I cant imagine a dd that would run from haru other than maybe jager and the torp boats

[light harbor]

Haru counters a lot of the big gunbote destroyers too

[plush smelt]

gdansk

[light harbor]

Ragnar gets mogged

[eager pumice]

you don't avoid gunfights with enemy DDs in Harugumo, in fact you shred most of them
you avoid them until the opportunity is convenient (as opposed to fumbling around being spot locked and fired on with a DD that in the relative sense turns like a brick, or eating torps because you rushed the cap first)

[honest silo]

I see, so no IJN Aircraft Carriers?

[plush smelt]

dont play CVs

they suck

trust

[lucid wagon]

Get the Essex line

[dim bridge]

ya think?

[proven gyro]

cvs in general are bad

[steel pier]

go for Zao or maybe Harugumo

[lucid wagon]

Or if you like farming idiots Nakhimov

[proven gyro]

that's arguably the worst one

[proven gyro]

2nd worst one

[lucid wagon]

Arguably wtf we spouting

[proven gyro]

it is

[plush smelt]

it is

the worst

[topaz coyote]

Also who be hating Vamp II all of the sudden, it literally is one of the best randoms DD ever made

[proven gyro]

^

[dim bridge]

Who the fuck would hate Vamp 2

[honest silo]

I will SymboliRudolf and thanks.

[dim bridge]

That thing is a fucking beast

[light harbor]

This is truely a game discussion moment

[lucid wagon]

Np

[plush smelt]

gets mogged by a tech tree ship

[light harbor]

Ohio gets murderized by Libertad

What's your point exactly?

[proven gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-what-you've-done-reginald-hargreeves-the-umbrella-academy-are-you-aware-of-the-consequences-do-you-realize-what-you've-caused-gif-12279445932268167902

[lucid wagon]

What doesnt

[topaz coyote]

I can tell you by how many it gets mogged by and that is precisely 1

[plush smelt]

ohio isnt a reskinned libertad

[light harbor]

That's my point

[proven gyro]

sorry but no

when i compare ships i take into account the average player

[topaz coyote]

Lib farms all your plating with his eyes closed

[proven gyro]

libertad is played but a lot of idiots who think they can go broadside because "HURR DURR 51MM BELT"

[lucid wagon]

Oh yeah and just strsight up avoid getting midway

[proven gyro]

gets citadelled to shit

[lucid wagon]

It is complete dogshit

[lucid wagon]

Top 10 greatest lies ever told?

[light harbor]

How are you citadelling a Libertad

[proven gyro]

if played correctly yes

[light harbor]

I want to know for science

[topaz coyote]

*if played

[proven gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[lucid wagon]

Generally you can citadel them very easily through the cheek and stern

[light harbor]

I think this is ragebait

[proven gyro]

quite factual because i've done it myself

[lucid wagon]

But Idfk about main belt

[topaz coyote]

No, bro is serious

Proven by last time

[dim bridge]

If a mf can citadel a flat libertad that mf needs to get on Slava like yesterday

[light harbor]

I've gotten a full broadside volley on a Libertad as a Vermont at 13km and gotten no cits

[proven gyro]

yes thank you for bringing that up

[proven gyro]

because there is something i would like to correct

[lucid wagon]

I devstruck Bourgogne once in Willem de Eerste, does this mean Bourgogne had a citadel that is very easy to hit?

[proven gyro]

particularly on your argument

[honest silo]

Not good?

[lucid wagon]

It is complete trash

[eager pumice]

If any ship can citadel Libertad it's actually Yamato / Shiki / Incomp through the bow

You CAN citadel Libertad when it's broad (remember the cit is above water by half a deck) but it's not gonna happen super often because the armor is just so thick and sloped lol

[honest silo]

I see, so not for collection?

[topaz coyote]

I kinda don't care bro

[eager pumice]

so you have to be very close to get that broadside delete

[proven gyro]

"obsessive"

[proven gyro]

HM. INTERESTING

[analog jackal]

Sherman boost is right around the corner!

[dim bridge]

flat not bow

[proven gyro]

anyway

[lucid wagon]

If you care about collecting then go ahead and get it, midway is a very cool ship historically. But it isn’t a good Cv for.. actual playability.

[proven gyro]

libertad can be citadelled at range if it goes broadside.

[eager pumice]

because 18" of broadside armor at like an effective 35 degree angle is totally reasonable

[proven gyro]

12-15km iirc?

[honest silo]

I see and thanks SymboliRudolf.

[eager pumice]

(well it's 2" + 16" but you get the idea)

[dim bridge]

yeah plunging fire but in close range within its secondary range

[proven gyro]

(used to be a good cv)

(sadge)

[eager pumice]

(and that convenient deep void that eats tds pens)

(because)

[analog jackal]

Ur either a bad CV or ur essex

[topaz coyote]

Ok, there's a difference between how it is defined and how people use it. Today it is just a synonym for "people that watch/like anime" and that is how you used it yourself, because I doubt I showed any signs of obsession.

[lucid wagon]

Genuinely how it feels to fight German shit with the exception of Schlieffen

Wait no

Tds

Nvm

[light harbor]

Schlieffen is also pretty hard to cit outside of close ranges

[proven gyro]

no i'm rather certain i brought up the obsession factor. but fair enough, i did incorrectly call you a weeb.

[light harbor]

Not impossible but the cit is layered

[honest silo]

True.

[eager pumice]

honestly you can cit the KM BCs
Even Rupprecht I find can be citadelled if broad when closeish

[untold thistle]

you can't cit her if she's not turning in close range

[topaz coyote]

Sniffen cit 😋

[proven gyro]

but regardless the term "weeb" refers to people who obsess over such material.

[topaz coyote]

A fourth of your HP gone

[lucid wagon]

If you get close enough it is really easy though

Yummy 40k Alaska salvo on schlieffen

Get Gud

[eager pumice]

hmmm I gotta study this wait

I know Schlieffen can be deleted

I don't have it so I've just delivered it

[light harbor]

I mean even if you don't eat cits, Schlieffen has so many random shell catchers

[proven gyro]

therefore it is generally not perceived to be a "good" trait. hence why i condemn quite a lot of such material

[analog jackal]

sclieffen when I click its upper bow with a battleship

[lucid wagon]

I like schlieffen becsuse it prints damage so easily

But like

[honest silo]

Also one question guys releated to trade-in.

[lucid wagon]

Playing the schlieffen into anything above 406mm is awful

[honest silo]

Should I get USS Indianapolis CA-35 at the place of HMS Vanguard?

[lucid wagon]

Yes

[meager bridge]

I mean thats everything it faces. Everything that doesnt have 406 is just gonna shoot HE

[lucid wagon]

Vanguard is another cool ship but like it just isn’t good. Apart from having super maneuverability it really isn’t good,

[plush smelt]

certainly a team of all time

[lucid wagon]

Indianapolis will be very strong soon

Even stronger

[proven gyro]

@topaz coyote thy argument hath been invalidated. however i do believe that it is now the time to put this matter to rest.

[honest silo]

I see and nice.

[dim bridge]

I wish they'd buff vanguard

[meager bridge]

pov: your playin schlieffen before 14.8 against a conqueror and shinano

[dim bridge]

that ship needs some love

[honest silo]

Tbh guys.

[proven gyro]

MMMMMMMM CONQKEK

I LOVE CONQKEK

[plush smelt]

they did it's called a valparaiso

[topaz coyote]

Ok you do you, mr political though leader

[honest silo]

I was thinking of also getting USS Texas BB-35 guys.

And thanks SymboliRudolf.

[dim bridge]

I don't remember Vanguard being a secondary ship

[lucid wagon]

Np

[light harbor]

Don't do that

[plush smelt]

that's the buff

[light harbor]

Except for collection reasons I guess

[dim bridge]

or losing its HE

[topaz coyote]

You just keep coping you got called out and had to retroactively rectify everything you said

[lucid wagon]

When it had literal god tier AA

[proven gyro]

cope

[lucid wagon]

then it got taken away immediately

[proven gyro]

your initial argument is null and void

[plush smelt]

who?

[topaz coyote]

BuffSniffen guy

[plush smelt]

is this not common knowledge?

[proven gyro]

and you brought it up anyway 🤣

[proven gyro]

apparently it isn't

[plush smelt]

what we arguing about tho

[topaz coyote]

It's a pattern of behavior

[honest silo]

For Texas?

[light harbor]

Yes

[lucid wagon]

Ya

[proven gyro]

again: you brought this argument up

you only have yourself to blame

[eager pumice]

Schlieffen cit

[topaz coyote]

Oh no

Terrible

[eager pumice]

can you stop it please

[proven gyro]

"OH OH, LIBERTAD CANNOT BE CITADELLED BY OHIO!!"

[honest silo]

Why? Just for know SymboliRudolf and average_atlanta_enjoyer.

[analog jackal]

The odds of this happening in game

[lucid wagon]

I think it’s fairly obvious literally anything fucking citadels if you’re at literal kissing lengths

[light harbor]

Texas is just really bad

[eager pumice]

Rupprecht is actually the same, just a bit lower

[lucid wagon]

Main gimmick got nerfed instantly

[light harbor]

Also if you're in a training room and can aim and position perfectly

[proven gyro]

i am the one who just said it is time for the matter to be put to rest. unfortunately for himself, he is the one who brought up the matter. regardless i acquiesce to your request.

[topaz coyote]

Son 😭

[honest silo]

Oh, ok I see.

[eager pumice]

this is Zieten btw

[proven gyro]

there we go again

[eager pumice]

it's not waterline it's a bit above waterline

[dim bridge]

9 km on a flat libertad within its secondary range

[proven gyro]

ZIETEN MENTIONED

[steel pier]

there we go again, in a training session

[light harbor]

Practically speaking that is basically waterline

[proven gyro]

yes, that is precisely what i claimed.

[lucid wagon]

You’re literally at 9km (when in the fuck are you doing this realistically) with a non moving non reactive bot.

Even if possible in theory it really is never gonna be used lol

[topaz coyote]

Scholar doesn't know what a statistical outlier is

Cherry picks and then assumes that everyone else is lying

[proven gyro]

okay then

[light harbor]

?

[proven gyro]

let's go back

[untold thistle]

damn, i forgot how invisible jinan torps are

[eager pumice]

I think it matters, just... marginally
as I understand it when you cit broad Montana your shells enter the belt at that point above water but ovm the inner deck
you're never going to cit the KM BCs through the deck but you don't need to, the shells go straight into the torpedo bulkhead

[proven gyro]

give me 5 minutes to make distance

[proven gyro]

"if i remember correctly" btw

[topaz coyote]

Oh here we go again