#Sin master race general

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blissful harbor
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we get another non atk 11m stun 3.4

ivory lance
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Oh, no runes needed?

blissful harbor
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Explosive burst becomes instant cast and u can slot it without needing stigma before it

ivory lance
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Cool

ancient gate
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Nah you need a solid Macc set

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My character isn't that old tbh, I'm lacking of almost everything

blissful harbor
ancient gate
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I have them as well

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But even with them sometimes runes are resisted

blissful harbor
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i also get random resistsπŸ˜‚

warped raptor
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Even if you had aether hold or stumble or spin pene, it will not work in todays remove shock. It is 2k instead of 1k.

warped raptor
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Only application of it is for UD temp/glad, so you have 2x 50% stun on rune/ambush, so as for enchantment mantra vs chant and vs boon of sorc 50% 2x stuns chances

blissful harbor
warped raptor
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Yes, however from 4.0

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Getting stun on 3.0 still decent, if you take in cosnideration how good sin can be with new set swaps, which was not available in old aions

blissful harbor
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swap sets was garbo back then, cced in swapping and u where naked

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only thing thats really bad for us imo is now when Msup is a thing, and when 2nd 60 set come and ppl have it, they will roughly cut our mb with 350

warped raptor
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You should not rely on mb 3.0 that much anywyas

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Mb is more like a bonus nowdays, you got amazing phys burst

blissful harbor
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ik, it just to bad thats all

warped raptor
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MA is more of a value from those set swaps, if you access your control, dmg is not and should not be a problem

blissful harbor
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but 177% more rune dmg is quite alot

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i dont devalue ma, i have both ma and mb set

warped raptor
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In 1 pain rune control you can easily burst 10k HP anyway. Mb dmg is a small bonus for me. I rathwr enjoy MA which can guarantee the control

blissful harbor
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i agree, but anything thats aint chain, i never fail anyway on hitting pain

warped raptor
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Maybe in open world

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On arenas vs full mr glads on defence preparation. Or water spirit full mr sm, or elemental ward sorc. You will fail a lot

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And if you do, you wont be forgiven

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I speak about top of the list players i got experience to figbt against.

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But on open world MB has 10 times more value vs randoms i agree

blissful harbor
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yy i know what top ppl that use mr xD

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that just smal% anyways xD

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u swap ma for throw dagger too?

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ambush?

warped raptor
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Trow only

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I dont enjoy swapping on ambush for various reasons

blissful harbor
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y i need to fix my macros

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still working on 1 sec macros

blissful harbor
ancient gate
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I think ambush has like +600 Macc iirc

blissful harbor
spark forum
spark forum
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I tried both: ingame with 1 sec Delay between swaps and synapse.

Both leave me naked 50% of the times

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They work flawless on Test dummies, but in real combat it is chaos

blissful harbor
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think u need to work on delays more

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sound weird, i atm just have 1 sec working fine, sometimes it stays on mb but not so often that i care

solemn atlas
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Happy new year my friendly Assassins! πŸ₯‚

primal garden
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Happy new years fellow sins

warped raptor
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Sin 4.0 Korea, is by far N1 class RN, changes they did is amazing. finally the class is getting some love

icy dome
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Sin even with the changes ain't reaching that absurd retardneds that's Lumine

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And until i see a sin solo PvE or solo whole grps in PvP.. that ain't gonna change

warped raptor
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who cares about PVE, in PVP sin is 1 shotting everything today

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on Korea

icy dome
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And Lumine is one shotting whole groups

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Soooo

warped raptor
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let it 1 shot grps, in 1v1 he dies vs sin, for sure

icy dome
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And since when does 1v1 truly matter in an MMO

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Also gl getting through its immunities...

warped raptor
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your typing in Sin channel rn

icy dome
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Before u die

warped raptor
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for us thats all it matters

prisma kiln
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Got a video or stream u can link?

warped raptor
prisma kiln
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... at like 2:10 he fights a Lumine, which Lumi kills like 2-3 ppl, then it takes 3 others + the sin to kill said Lumine

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But u say sin wins 1v1 πŸ˜‚

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Chanter got folded in record time

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But that Lumine would have eaten the sin like cake 1 on 1

warped raptor
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only thing lumines has is 4 sec def where you cant kill it, if you ambush lumines in OW he wont even use it, 1 shot potential of sin is crazy in 4.0, thats all im saying

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don't want to go in the deep rabbit hole now, rambo is better or terminator talks

prisma kiln
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Yeah but still as Rospet said ability to 1 shot a whole grp >>>>>> ability to 1 shot a single person

warped raptor
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i dont care what lumines does to x100 ppl mate, sin sees him in OW , lumines gets 1 shotted

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thats my point

prisma kiln
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sin gets folded

warped raptor
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right after using all his cds vs ranger, and he is not even in hide for surprise effect

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u mean that fold?

icy dome
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wvs lumine that didnt use half its cd's or its complete 100% immunity either

prisma kiln
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^

warped raptor
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yea you guys are right, lets not continue this converastion

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i am wrong

icy dome
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Which if memory serves me right lumine can reset to end up having x2 immunities or smth

warped raptor
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yea im wrong

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thank you very much, lets move on

blissful harbor
lime badger
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BTW, are they planning to nerf lumitard?

icy dome
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Instead they seem to be trying to turn most (if not every) other class to similar levels of retarded as Lumine

spark forum
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3.7 in Q2 according to Roadmap....wow

blissful harbor
lime badger
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I don't get it, so we skip 3.0 part 2, 3.2 and 3.4?

tough portal
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guys does throw dagger remove bodyguard too?

blissful harbor
solemn atlas
ancient gate
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Probably more but I don't know

icy dome
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2k DP as well

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and if we wanna be technical Rage too

icy dome
blissful harbor
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puts every non used shield skill cd on cd to 🀑

icy dome
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BG, Unyielding, Nezekan/Zikel, Safeguard, Divine Curtain, Cler RS shield, immortal shroud, hell Siege boss 50% dmg reduction even

blissful harbor
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anti shock scroll, stone skin, boic

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spirit sub

icy dome
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Literally any skill that lowers recieved dmg by X/% or straight up blocks dmg or redirects recieved dmg

blissful harbor
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been killing a few, excet those who pops every cd in the book

icy dome
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There wont be many ppl to kill in 4.0 if things dont change

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Patch looks beyond retarded

blissful harbor
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retarded glacial got nerf

icy dome
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Glacial aint even close to as dumb as the 4.0 changes

blissful harbor
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even if its a bit retarded ow now as it is .. 7k crits

icy dome
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u cant even compare

blissful harbor
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the direction is fritening yes, but seen alot of streams and arenas, outside immunitys if u shutdown and cc they die like paper

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worse then paper

icy dome
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u dont get the chance to cc them when they have the power to 1 shot whole groups dude

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And imagine all the clips and shit were just x1 lumine vs grps

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Now imagine x3-4 in a grp buffed up by chanter

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Good fucking luck without an alliance

primal garden
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freeze classic pre 4.0

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xd

blissful harbor
warped raptor
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i really enjoy this tbh

blissful harbor
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with QD rank 2, that shit gona hurt

primal garden
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qd goat

primal garden
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have you seen the new sin changes?

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this shit is cracked

languid steeple
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Nerf sin

blissful harbor
languid steeple
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When class change event comes im actually seriously thinking change from my sorc to a sin?
Never played sin, is it hard to master it?

random nova
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Would try it out on a privat server

lime badger
lime badger
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Anyway they can still nerf sin in Korea. For example they have make changes with chanter 2 times.

blissful harbor
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both pve and pvp

languid steeple
blissful harbor
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but u gona struggle really hard in arena or group ow if they even look at u xD

brazen shadow
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I used to main sin and like to check this thread - now with class change soon available im thinking of swapping back (from sorc since 2.7). Whats sets and weaps would you do with whats available, can change manastones ofc:

Full cav set w/ MA14
Full e55 set w/ MB27
Full e50 still in boxes from dredg
Abg accs + wings

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Wep; Legion commander tome +12 para gs
ABG wep +13 silence gs

blissful harbor
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50e is better for MB

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cav cloth is obviously best ma

brazen shadow
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I see, I mean all gear listed above is for my sorc and ill swap it around, but idk what to get as the main pvp gear, if its worth to keep the cloth cav for the MA or make it the main dps set

blissful harbor
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oh u wana awap

brazen shadow
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Yeye, im currently sorc and all above is my sorc gear

blissful harbor
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legion commander dagger, agb sword( when swap comes only highest pvp atk applys no stacking)

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swap every abg except 1 ring 1 earring

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if u want to swap using other things then preset set macros

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1 swap is free

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includes:
1 weap
7 accesorys
5 armors

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300 Quna per item more

brazen shadow
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ye, ill swap whatever is neccessary

blissful harbor
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u dont need any swap tbf

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only weaps

brazen shadow
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all gear is cloth atm

blissful harbor
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cav cloth ma
cav cloth/50e mb
cav leather acc
2 cav +3 smal gbg atk
gbg mr
gbg/55e evasion

this is current best combo sets

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atk set turns into 2nd 60 set avaliable in eu next patch

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tbh i would just use cloth 55e mb at this point, no use getting anything else as its roughly same mb

brazen shadow
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hmmm oke i see.. the question is then what do i make my atk set if i keep the cav as MA

blissful harbor
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no manastones gets turned

brazen shadow
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i know i have alot of manastones np swapping any

blissful harbor
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manastones, storm skill, dropable skillbooks

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i would prob farm medals and buy 60 shit instant when swap comes

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151x5 medalsπŸ˜‚

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and just keep gbg accs , u have everything else! just for happy medium best solution

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u like sin more then sorc?

brazen shadow
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hahah ye i guess thats the play, i just dunno if i do maybe the e50 or e55 with atk/crit since patch is later than the class swap

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i love sin and a bit bored overall feels nice w a swap

blissful harbor
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50e atk is okay but u glass cannon

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55e is good start but lacks a little πŸ™‚ same evasion values as gbg so its good there

brazen shadow
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ah ye, thanks man! feels a bit "waste" using the only eternal set i have as MA but maybe its key anyways

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
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rotate oath+ slayer in 1. and slayer in 2nd just extends your ma a value even mr cant do anything about

icy dome
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@brazen shadow Don't forget only Eternal gear L55+ can get swapped

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U cannot swap golds or lower than L55 items

brazen shadow
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ahh trueee

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still have the e50 in boxes worst case

blissful harbor
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tbf he does not even need swapping gear except accs xD

brazen shadow
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mb need to swap the cav gloves for aspd leather?

blissful harbor
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u need magic accs to

blissful harbor
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no biggie, could use 50e for that tho, -10 mb less then full cav

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but full cav is +160 more ma then 50e

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~600k ap to fit new meta greater stigmas for 1 additional 11m stun when swap comes

brazen shadow
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thanks for the input, ill try to figure it out πŸ™‚

blissful harbor
brazen shadow
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hahah alright xD

blissful harbor
spark forum
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Anyone using Synapse?

blissful harbor
spark forum
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Aye....it is working so far....but .... every time when i think i got the perfect delay, something changes and in a fight it starts to bug

primal garden
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worked for me

spark forum
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btw @blissful harbor changed my gear a bit and now its 1850 Macc without buffs πŸ™‚ Getting there slowly but surely πŸ˜„

spark forum
primal garden
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depends on what you're using

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are you using ingame macro?

spark forum
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I use ingame Gear switch + rune, then the rest synapse to get my gear back

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At the moment i use my first delay after Ingame Macro, then synapse switches back gear

blissful harbor
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most use atleast gear swap + rune - delay 1 sec - swap back full set

primal garden
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idk your software but the synapse macro should most likely have an option to delay between keys

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ye

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gear swap into swap full set

blissful harbor
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advanced non legal per definition way is swap + rune - swap bar - 12345678890 binds to swap gear back - swap back to main skillbar

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with decent stable ping, u can reduce the swap back from 1 sec to 0.5 or lower sec to swap

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but most u winning is 1 auto right after swap

spark forum
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I got all of this.....just havent found the perfect delay yet, since it seems to vary

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Well, i keep trying and testing πŸ™‚

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btw...best Set for Macc is Cav right?
And best Set for Mboost is Gbg, right?

primal garden
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I had quite a bit of trial and error to find the right delay for every circumstance

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Excluding like sieges or wb

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Where the lag is insane

blissful harbor
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10+ mb after 50e

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and u have +160 base Macc from 50e

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im using 50e and its enough for me

spark forum
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And which is the best Macc Set at the moment?

primal garden
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E50 is good ye

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Macc is cav set

blissful harbor
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cavalier is best +160 from 50e

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but getting 50e macc set is also good, with oath or slayer 2 up, i will most likely have around 2.4k ma

blissful harbor
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both is really good 50e and cavalier, 50e beeing budget is really good using

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if u curious

spark forum
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Is there a list what new gear we will get with 3.2/3.7?

blissful harbor
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upgradeable accs
weapons
new better L60 armor

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meta stigmas

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new pve weaps
new pve armor
new L58 extendable

spark forum
blissful harbor
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10kk ap and like 800 medals

spark forum
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New medals or mithril needed?

blissful harbor
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mithril

spark forum
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So why i m getting the 60 AP Armor right now? πŸ˜›

blissful harbor
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xD idk

languid steeple
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Ok i decide when class change comes i reroll sorc to sin
Is a huge and so different style and all but idk
Especially gonna be hard to get ussed to it at high lvl swap.
But overall is not hard class nowaday right?
Gave me few good starter tips πŸ˜„

languid steeple
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So idea gbg weap if i swap sorc i get it from start
Primus accs too
50e set too

So maybe 50e i leave as macc/mb set
And i focus gbg set as dps atk set?
2nd weap maybe to take pve one idk.
Since in new patches dual pvp dmg will get 11% pvp dmg anyway 1 weap

grizzled current
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cav is best for macc and mb due its base macc xd

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i did buy 3x small 60 pieces for att already to have some msub but i wont buy more now and get the chest pants with on hit procc

grizzled current
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our crit spell doesnt matter vs geared players

solemn atlas
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130 crit spell

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Atm

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With cav

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It matter

grizzled current
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and spell resist

icy dome
ancient gate
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Well relying on Crit for runes is kinda useless

grizzled current
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ye only works vs undergeared

ancient gate
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It helps but I dont pay attention

solemn atlas
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I'm not saying it specifically for nothing, just that it reaches 130 crits.

grizzled current
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but spell resist is also there

blissful harbor
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just give us mace in mh pls

ancient gate
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Quick question

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last stage of illusion's tower

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What are we supposed to do ?

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Hit cristals ?

rocky cloak
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Heard smth about killing small crystals

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Didnt test it since im not doing it anymore after i killed it once :x
(I just bursted it)

ancient gate
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I see

primal garden
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my max has been floor 10

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but i can't get there consistently because of floor 4

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that cunt

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sometimes he just kills me

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idgi

blissful harbor
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i hate that shit

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i save every cd in the book for it πŸ˜‚

rocky cloak
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Floor 4 is easy

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After every corrupting symbol or whatever that skill is called just wait 1 sec and move a few steps to the right

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(Or left, whatever u prefer)

ancient gate
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@primal garden

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When he does corrupt symbol or whatever it's called in english you wait 0,5s then move a little bit

blissful harbor
solemn atlas
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@ancient gate OMG that dmg of cleric broo t.t

ancient gate
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?

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Mrking ?

solemn atlas
ancient gate
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Yeah insane dmg xd

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He dealt 4-5k without cast

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whatever

solemn atlas
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Yea broo instant dmg insane on my opinion

blissful harbor
ancient gate
blissful harbor
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they cant be offensive xD

ancient gate
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servants (idk if it's called like that) can easily break your evasions

blissful harbor
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they need to heal + rs during opener

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then u just have to hide 7 sec xD and win

ancient gate
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what about tiamat stigma that allows another RS ?

blissful harbor
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na they wont have it

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thats 7 min cd

ancient gate
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Well that time he had it πŸ‘Ί

blissful harbor
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xD

ancient gate
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But I was surprised by the dmg he dealt

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With RS phase 2

blissful harbor
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still no resist after so

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best way to play cleric that patch is prob totally turtle 100% support build

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and wind slash someone to deathπŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

vapid gyro
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Why are those purple stains not showing for some people? If not for the videos I would have never guessed what happened to me

rocky cloak
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it doesnt show on classic

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the gif is from retail

ancient gate
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^

vapid gyro
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I mean I saw some classic videos on Youtube with the effect shown πŸ€”

ancient gate
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Are you sure it was classic ? Because spaller's one aren't shown

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or maybe not europe, idk

vapid gyro
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Yeah, it shows in other regions but not in EU and RU as I could see

icy dome
rocky cloak
primal garden
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pain.

ancient gate
rocky cloak
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yes i know :c

vapid gyro
lime badger
blissful harbor
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QD 4k, 4k rune, beast, weaves

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dont need 100% crit but for shure a few

rocky cloak
blissful harbor
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yea i havent had a resist yet on thatπŸ˜‚

patent kelp
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what type of damage runes are? fire?

ancient gate
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fire

worldly spear
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What is the goal to do the last set pvp or 60 accessories ? if the next patch out soon ?

blissful harbor
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upgradeable accesorys max except 1 ring and 1 earring IF u wana have skillbar gearswaps

new 60 pvp set for atk in next patch

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rest is still the same

spark forum
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Weapon first, but this is easy to get

blissful harbor
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pve weap mh, pvp oh

spark forum
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Need new pve weapon first πŸ˜„

blissful harbor
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pvp mh pve sword oh for ma πŸ˜‚

spark forum
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Which PvE weapon you are looking for?

blissful harbor
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burning salvation dagger

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and sword for 70+ ma

spark forum
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Need to check stats for this weapon...guess its slightly better than Doomed Legion

lime badger
blissful harbor
lime badger
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What you mean by upgrade πŸ˜…

blissful harbor
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u feet it ap somwhow and get a upgraded item, basicat a new name item for 30-80k ap each time

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can lvl 4 times

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max lvl hat

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what u buy for medals+ap

lime badger
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I see, ty

icy dome
spark forum
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Yep, "slightly" better πŸ˜„

blissful harbor
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pvp sword ftw

icy dome
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"only" for swaps as if swapping isn't basically the entirety of sin's CC

blissful harbor
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u only swap ma for 4 ccs🀣

random nova
spark forum
random nova
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and you can go for pvp dagger + pve sword, so you stay on doomed legion till you get salvation, if you get all new accessoires later you can switch to salvation dagger for the extra atk, since all accessoires combined will make up for the loss of accuration from pvp dagger

blissful harbor
random nova
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you play what you feel like πŸ™‚

neat mulch
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Better combo is Flaming salvation dagger for max flat atk + 55 gbg sword. With this dual, you have atk + Crit on 2 weapons and you can socket more atk+5 manastones.

random nova
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Now you are trolling

neat mulch
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Pvp dagger and pve sword is just dumbest combo ever. Pvp dagger atk is lower than pve. Flaming salvation + ap sword is top tier, and 60 ap sword doesn't have Crit. If u play 55 gbg, you can socket 4 atk+5 more

random nova
blissful harbor
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u will want 60 pvp sword too for the acc

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patch after next we will gain 100 crit too from passives so then its almost back to full atk againπŸ˜‚

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pvp dag + pve sword is best for Ma swap, pvp dag have higher base ma

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just troll for them not giving us Ma on dagger, just some useless parryπŸ˜‚

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evasion would be ok too

neat mulch
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For main atk set i dont care about MA

blissful harbor
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salv + pvp 60

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and swap pvp 60 when salv atleast +13 is my go toπŸ˜‹

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and +15 dag when my sword is +13

random nova
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your gbg will go crazy

blissful harbor
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but useless imoπŸ˜‚

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+280 acc vs +65 critπŸ˜‚

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having gbg oh does not cut it tbfπŸ₯Ή

rocky cloak
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just wondering why not double salvation?

ancient gate
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Double salvation's sword

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+140 macc

blissful harbor
rocky cloak
blissful harbor
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pls guys checkπŸ˜‚πŸ‘

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if motion speed is same, we can double sword rune swaps for massive +ma

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u too @random nova i see u try typingπŸ₯Έ

ancient gate
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Losing for example 8% atk speed on gloces (50e) is slightly slower

random nova
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you can use 40e for 7% atkspeed

blissful harbor
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u dont know that for shuure, clerics insta skills for example mace/staff does not matter

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i want confirmation on motion speed on myaπŸ˜‚

random nova
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its just the auto atk after switching, feels slow without extra atkspeed on gloves

blissful harbor
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without skillbar swap( synapse) u still hit with either set u swapped anyway

random nova
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but slower

blissful harbor
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yea no biggie

random nova
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it is^^

blissful harbor
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i cant say anything im rocking double D and 50e for both ma and mb atm πŸ˜‚

random nova
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one of them have 19% atkspeed?

blissful harbor
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ofc

grizzled current
lime badger
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Reflect or capture? πŸ˜‚

blissful harbor
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both are legit

rocky cloak
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reflect for group, pull for solo imo

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pull is almost always a kill, felt really good last time. reflect sounds fun in group if youre being focused :x

blissful harbor
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u immune

rocky cloak
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ye its strong, but i do think 1v1 it loses to pull

lime badger
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With reflect you don't need to care about opponents rs, it's deadly in 1v1 as well.

patent kelp
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reflect works for everything or only physical

icy dome
rocky cloak
spark forum
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I dont like this Season Pass at all

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Free Admiral Armor piece

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Okay you have to wait for the second pass.....so 30+ days, but still

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meh

random nova
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they forgot to add the other fragments, you get 1 piece in this pass

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it shows 5, but its 10

patent kelp
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Its either 5 morΔ™ next pass or 15

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Like guaranteed 5

random nova
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every event infos are wrong.. it shows first 5, then you buy the pass and its 10, but when you count all its 15

spark forum
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Aye....i see

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So you get 1 Piece for free anyway with 1 pass

blissful harbor
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better wait for next

spark forum
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yeah but its for free

blissful harbor
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indeed

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idk what i would pick tbf

spark forum
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Chest, Pants are obvious choices

primal garden
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i prob won't use the piece xd

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even if it's free

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just chilling with my e50 until next patch

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πŸ’€

blissful harbor
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xD

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gbg still good remake mr setπŸ˜‚

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making my cavalier 100% acc set to later

spark forum
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Btw....are there any news about Aion 2?

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I mean they said they want to release it 2025

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but no ingame footage yet

blissful harbor
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fk

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pull good

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reflect only 4 sec

lime badger
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Guys, does any1 know if we can exchange more than 1 weapon for 60 lvl admiral weapon tokens?

dense shadow
lime badger
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So if I have 3x gbg +13/15 I can instantly get 2x admiral weapons?

blissful harbor
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best is buy 3 chests

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open 1 at a time

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and then sacrifice weap for 100%

lime badger
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What chests? Sorry, I don't know how it works in Na :/

blissful harbor
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discounted price rng box

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either weap fragment or 60 weap

lime badger
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I see, so we can buy only 3 of those boxes right? What is price for it?

blissful harbor
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for "rng" chance for full weap

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buy max X amount and scrap gbg +13 for full fragment needed for weap

lime badger
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Anyway I have to stick to my gbg sword +15 and use it together with admirals dagger. Until I will get burning salvation + admirals sword

dense shadow
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boxes are 21 miths and 193k ap for a 15% chance of weapon selection box or 85% chance for a token

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10 tokens gets you a weapon, 100%

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you can also turn in +13 or better gbg weapons for 7 tokens (shields for 5)

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so yes you can turn in 3 weapons for 21 tokens then spend 20 on 2 weapons

lime badger
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Ty man! πŸ™‚

blissful harbor
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@dense shadow u always come in like this with info, similar to gold cheat in wc3 πŸ˜‰

random nova
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Hello I have question how can i kill templar with same gear Even i used silence blind and so on this class don’t die

rocky cloak
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double para godstone :^)

grizzled current
blissful harbor
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any elyos sins wana do dino ranger zergs from hide?

grizzled current
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FtdEdnnvBk as example this vid, senju got tog silenced with ud at start (before the recording)

Yes, if templar uses Block + MR set and I deal 4 to 20 damage on weave, I will use the tools assassin has and hide out and not risk fighting into 4k DP shield, Iron Skin, Aether Armor, Holy Shield and Empyrean Armor later, especially on flight map! :)
I literally deal more damage to myself than to templar while hitting on Holy Shield (30 sec dur...

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prisma kiln
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on equal gear/skill without insane luck Temp absolutely destroys sin 1v1 in any and all possible scenarios

grizzled current
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ye

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classic has alot of handless temps

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but some you just dont even see a single kill

blissful harbor
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if not for the UD II changes

grizzled current
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nah

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temp using all tools there is no chance without luck

primal garden
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anyeon got tips for floor 12 of towe?

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with the double titans

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i killed one, thenit respawned whilst i was killing the other

prisma kiln
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U have about 15 seconds to kill the 2nd before 1st re spawns

primal garden
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ah ok

prisma kiln
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and mind any aoes, u only get x3 artefacts total, dont waste em

primal garden
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also question, they're always going towards the middle, is that another mechanic?

prisma kiln
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they're going towards you

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Not the middle

primal garden
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ah ok

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that's good to know, just got to weaken the first one

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ty for info

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i went from 7th to 12th with a couple of weeks

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this one feels hard

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and the 13th seems even crazier

blissful harbor
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would been great if not 2kud

grizzled current
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you havent fought enough temps using 2k dp yet

blissful harbor
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they need dmg nerf

ancient gate
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There is no way that a templar lose to a sin

blissful harbor
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wish we have better Dp skills πŸ˜‚

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4kdp dash stun cant be resisted
windwalk <5min cd would be cool

prisma kiln
#

Any templar with a brain would just use Stance while u have those buffs up

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UD combined with Stance is even now 2k Res, so good luck

ancient gate
#

One hit and you're not in hide anymore is stupid especially with DP

blissful harbor
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our dp kit prob the worst out of all classes

rocky cloak
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except brawler :^)

blissful harbor
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brawler is a joke xD

random nova
blissful harbor
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i wish we had more stun penetrationπŸ˜‚ and better dp

warped raptor
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in Open world when temp is not buffed/has no idea you comming you can shadowfall bug abuse+surprise effect can play a factor, and maybe you kill(but its a big maybe,+ you need to be,absolutelly flawless on sin, which is decades of practise worth), or you kill 1-2 times in arena as well if you proc para first inc/auto, but in general, lets say when temp knows that your incoming, all buffs allowed(no tournament rules) and you dont proc para in his UD, u wont win, and even if you proc para, your DPS must be Extremely high and spot on to burn him down,until he is out of para.

blissful harbor
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buff sin

brazen shadow
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anyone have ss of standard pve sin build?

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stigma build i should say

lime badger
lime badger
brazen shadow
lime badger
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Yw

ancient gate
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For pve I just take deadly abandon, apply deadly powder smth (the superior stigma) and rune burst, rest are pvp ones

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And for siege runes are useless

ancient gate
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Got it boys

blissful harbor
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i would personally slapp full acc +27🫣

ancient gate
blissful harbor
ancient gate
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Yea, I'm tired of preparing for future patches

grizzled current
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they just up the stats that they have a little

blissful harbor
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not that they gona be super mandarory with slayer +2m but

random nova
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its even more op with slayer +2m

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how far was it? 6-7m?

ancient gate
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With extend 4m - early 5m so 6- early 7m

blissful harbor
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my goal is just for chase and carves 🫣

primal garden
#

extend slayer is next patch right?

blissful harbor
#

yea

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we have +2m air only atm

primal garden
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i only have trioran sword rn

blissful harbor
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hoping good price for extendy next patch xD

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dagg/sword prob cheapesr overall anyway

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due to slayer 2m+

primal garden
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bro no way dagger is cheaper

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i saw a dagger go for like half a billion last saturday

grizzled current
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eternal dagger will cost alot, at least the 1st few

primal garden
#

prob cheaper than extend though

grizzled current
#

ye

primal garden
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i wanted to have 1 billion for next patch

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prob doable with like 3-4 months

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my sin is done, just gonna replace some pvp parts with the free e60

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flooding in event stones so it will be essentially free to upgrade it

grizzled current
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next pass ill have full 60 set xd

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enough stones to enchant last piece and the new weapons

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so ye im also saving kinah atm

primal garden
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ye

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i didn't buy any e60, will only use free ones

grizzled current
#

i just hope the glads behave on the dagger bidding

primal garden
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you know they won't

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i still see wol daggers oing for crazy prices

grizzled current
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well thats not rly a weapon for sins

primal garden
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i know but i mean that they always go hard for daggers

grizzled current
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@hollow frigate are we gonna have a bidding war for the 1st eternal dagger next patch bla

primal garden
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even between themselves, the prices go high

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when you add sins to the situation

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inflation as fuck

grizzled current
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from the current pace of medel and relic income i will be able to instantly buy both pvp weapons and full accs and have like 1kk ap to upgrade the accs (didnt math the upgrade costs)

hollow frigate
grizzled current
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ill have to talk to golden too

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hes gotta wait

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πŸ˜‚

primal garden
#

i'll prob be able to get them too

grizzled current
#

stats will be insane

hollow frigate
grizzled current
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phys: pve dagger pvp sword
mboost: pvp dagger pve sword

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atm i have full mb cav cloth
and chest pants macc cav cloth, 3p 50e macc

blissful harbor
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why extend dagger expensive

grizzled current
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will buy the missing macc cav pieces instant next patch

grizzled current
#

gonna switch to perma att macc food

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
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and resocket atk back in 4.0 if needed

grizzled current
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the new accs pretty much allow the food change

blissful harbor
#

new accs/gear does not increase strike resist?

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atm its like 880 preferable?

hollow frigate
grizzled current
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strike res on my +13 admira will be 441

primal garden
blissful harbor
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incl wings and max lvled accs?

grizzled current
primal garden
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glads always have money

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somehow

grizzled current
blissful harbor
blissful harbor
hollow frigate
grizzled current
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idk exact

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like between 410-420

grizzled current
hollow frigate
grizzled current
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3.x retail the elite pvp weaps had att crit acc

primal garden
blissful harbor
grizzled current
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not that many have +13 set

blissful harbor
primal garden
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ah

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extend i have no idea

grizzled current
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ill play with like 915 crit +-

primal garden
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just that it will cost my cock

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just need extend dagger

blissful harbor
#

my goal is extendya and eternal dag

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prob can make everything +13 already

primal garden
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i got extend sword and never used it xd

blissful harbor
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yea save it

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good! isint it 19%?

primal garden
#

also, for sins to use extends, do both dagger and sword need to be extend?

blissful harbor
#

yes

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thats why its ble xD

primal garden
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ok

primal garden
blissful harbor
#

never felt the need for extends tbh

primal garden
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it's triroan

blissful harbor
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and with 4.0 2 dash 2 blinks + stormskill

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closing in just a breeze

blissful harbor
hollow frigate
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Extendies are op af

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Sadly the ones we have atm are dog

blissful harbor
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just lose 30% dmg atm

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with L58s maby better

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5+2m gona be nice to FINALLY cuck wintry

primal garden
hollow frigate
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Both triorans are 15%

blissful harbor
primal garden
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then fuck me

blissful harbor
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not that i had it on classic

grizzled current
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so far i never dropped something that i need myself, maybe ill just get lucky next patch cope

hollow frigate
primal garden
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but it doesn't matter if dagger is +19% speed anyways

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just need proper extend dagger

blissful harbor
# hollow frigate This !

like was literally broken, so having 7m is insane! and 4.0 slayer i 1min duration tooπŸ˜‚πŸ‘

blissful harbor
primal garden
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then what extend dagger has +19%

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there's none?

grizzled current
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none

hollow frigate
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Anyone remember on retail the skill, it was an instant x3 repeater, was like throw dagger x3

primal garden
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fuck me

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so the best dagger is +15% speed

blissful harbor
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no 19%

primal garden
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i just asked if there was 19% speed

grizzled current
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thats why you need both extends next patch

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chaos dagger doesnt count

blissful harbor
#

there is atm 1 19% extend sword+ dag

primal garden
#

what's the 19% dagger

blissful harbor
#

next patch its 1 dagg 2 swords that have 19%

primal garden
#

ok

blissful harbor
#

alukina L45πŸ˜‚

primal garden
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so we need dagger from next patch

grizzled current
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and sword ye

primal garden
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i'll just use triroan until get money for ext sword

blissful harbor
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wonder avg atk diff on extnd vs eternal

grizzled current
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buffed extend dagger 166

blissful harbor
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avg how much atk i lose

grizzled current
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eternal 206

blissful harbor
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topend?

grizzled current
#

ye

blissful harbor
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20% dmg not including pvp atk

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thats decent in certain situations

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now its prob around 45%πŸ˜‚

primal garden
#

ye you only use it for some situations

grizzled current
#

unbuffed and buffed

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eternal

blissful harbor
#

so avg 196 vs 160

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19% dmg loss

grizzled current
#

and pvp dmg from offhand

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and auto dmg from offhand

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and crit loss xd

blissful harbor
#

yea that one prob same compariaon sword vs pvp sword ?

grizzled current
#

less base att diff but ye

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
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either way, i have 2-3b budget so. i prob get it until 4.0

grizzled current
primal garden
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2b budget xd

blissful harbor
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3b if i include all my quna too and my savinga interms of investment xD

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but im extrem cheapskateπŸ˜‚

random nova
#

Maybe not since ecraze beat him to the extend

blissful harbor
#

checka black amex user?😏πŸ₯Έ

grizzled current
#

i mean that extend is just worse

blissful harbor
#

L58?

grizzled current
#

current

blissful harbor
#

ye

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worst prob is no enchant bonus

random nova
blissful harbor
#

khimaar isint he a sm?

grizzled current
#

meh he barely plays atm

blissful harbor
#

ppl who is wanabe degenerates does not belong in sin master raceπŸ˜‚

random nova
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But yeah most classes atm have only one, maybe two players that are willing to whale

blissful harbor
#

i saving plats to catchup my casual gaming with cavalier cloth for 148 extra ma setπŸ˜‚

random nova
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Except perhaps cleric and glad

blissful harbor
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i like to whale on good value

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not like 967x L115 stone whalingπŸ˜‚

primal garden
blissful harbor
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thats 64 accounts

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with L50 minimum char

grizzled current
grizzled current
blissful harbor
primal garden
#

ah?

blissful harbor
#

or did prices tank??

grizzled current
#

action house

primal garden
#

ah

grizzled current
#

no he just bought all

blissful harbor
#

lol

primal garden
#

how the fuck did he buy ALL though

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the amount of kinah required

random nova
#

And its was long before deathbringer event where alot got their +15

blissful harbor
#

i wonder what prices gona stagnate on?

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first couple gona be nasty, thats for shure

primal garden
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hope i drop it xd

blissful harbor
#

300kk is good

primal garden
#

got premade but idk how we're gonna tackle that situation

blissful harbor
#

new weaps 65 in 4.0?

grizzled current
primal garden
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idk if farm until everyone geared or full sell

primal garden
#

holy fuck

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i want 1% of that kinah

random nova
#

It also depends heavily on drop rate

primal garden
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i heard it's ass πŸ’€

random nova
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Korea complained about extends i heard, so they had to up TL/bakarma level

blissful harbor
#

how much better ia L65 weaps is, if there is any later?

random nova
#

So extends in the new one are prob very very rare

primal garden
hollow frigate
primal garden
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they're fucking disgusting

hollow frigate
blissful harbor
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no retail is w/e xD

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i stopped 3.0 xD so im new waters with skill and swaps since classic xD

grizzled current
hollow frigate
grizzled current
#

a week later the elyos ah was perma empty

primal garden
#

but event or tradeable?

grizzled current
#

tradeables

primal garden
#

ah auction

blissful harbor
primal garden
#

purchased at the right time

grizzled current
#

ye

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now the 110s are at 20kk+

primal garden
#

i need to stock up as well but looking bleak

blissful harbor
#

save

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good deals will come

primal garden
#

deala?

hollow frigate
blissful harbor
#

yea those i saw xD

primal garden
#

ah deals

grizzled current
#

so far i did my admiral pieces with 110s 10-12 and 115 to 13

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110s are still 45%

blissful harbor
#

im skipping admiral xD

hollow frigate
blissful harbor
#

prob stack freebies tho

grizzled current
#

i wanted to skill chest pants

hollow frigate
grizzled current
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i bought the 3 small and wanted to stop

primal garden
grizzled current
#

now the pass happened xd

primal garden
#

that's what i'm doing

grizzled current
#

so free chest pants

hollow frigate
grizzled current
#

its 1.5 per pass

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and they confirmed we get it again

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at least 1 more

blissful harbor
primal garden
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you're gonna get 3 parts ye

blissful harbor
#

and new set after that

primal garden
#

fair

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i use e50

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so i'm def upgrading with the free e60's

grizzled current
#

i can always turn this admiral into msub set at some point

primal garden
#

i'm a walking noodle

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need more sustain

blissful harbor
#

how much worse msup is admiral vs fleet admiral?

grizzled current
#

but ill be medal blank instantly next patch anyway

primal garden
#

these free pieces will be epic

grizzled current
blissful harbor
#

specially with sensory buff 4.0

grizzled current
#

also admiral allowed me to finally have mr set xD

blissful harbor
#

xD

grizzled current
#

ill prob socket my old mb daggers to mr next patch

blissful harbor
#

i need ~1000 plats to catchup older sets xD

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already got 500 xD

grizzled current
#

i have enough plats for 1 more gbg weapon ( if needed) and 3 small cav pieces

blissful harbor
#

im making 3 smal for acc

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so cavalier turns into fullt acc set later

grizzled current
#

im gonna struggle with relic storage again soon

blissful harbor
#

xD

grizzled current
#

i dont want to runn around high rank for 2 month

blissful harbor
#

im not even in a rush πŸ˜‚

grizzled current
#

if i turn everything i have into ap, like everything including radiant and the new ones, i have around 7kk to turn in

blissful harbor
#

50e prob gona be my mb set if nothing major changes, and i just make new ma ser cavalier when i get thereπŸ˜‚

primal garden
#

same

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just going for ma cav now

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e50 for mb is fine

blissful harbor
#

swapping mostly ma in pvp anyway

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i just have mb for bloodrune and needle

grizzled current
#

im mostly switching to mb (if i have buffs) πŸ˜‚

blissful harbor
#

xD

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well tbf, with slayer 1 min downtime

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and 2min cd on oath

grizzled current
#

oath to 3 min already helps alot

blissful harbor
#

ye but 2 min gona be huge

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maby full mb cavalier with 60 pvp + 60 pve sword is enough ma xD

tough portal
#

guys after i finnish admiral set, what should i do with my egbg ? acc/eva?

ancient gate
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Prepare a lot of platinum medals

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And wait next patch

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Buy full cloth cava

tough portal
#

platinum not ebony?

ancient gate
#

Since ebony is almost impossible to have this patch unless you sacrifice your mithrils yes

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From what I've heard next patch ebony will be platinum

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So stacking them would be a good idea

tough portal
#

so thbey change ebony to plat cool

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i got around 400 ebony atm

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outside of weeklies theres no other way to farm platinum medals right?

ancient gate
#

You can convert some azure blue (I think it's called like that in english) into platinum in inggison/gelk fortress

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But it's you and your luck

tough portal
#

azure will convert into silver gold

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or is htere anothe nhpc to convert to plat?

ancient gate
#

Doing weeklies with alt could be a good idea

ancient gate
tough portal
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lol

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cuz i got 418 azure

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cool i ll look for a fountain

ancient gate
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It's your choice, either you try or you sell

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It's worth around 160k/ea

tough portal
#

hmm you know location of fountain?

ancient gate
#

I think it's down somewhere here

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I won't lie, I'm not even sure

tough portal
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found it thx

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so next patch ebony will be plat

ancient gate
#

Yes

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Having a cloth cavalier provides a lot of magical accuracy

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Best would be to have 2 set to MB and Macc but it's a lot of investment

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Also having low leather cava parts for an accuracy switch can be useful against evasion

tough portal
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i see thx

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and witth my egbg/cava set only oiption is acc or eva i guess?

ancient gate
#

Evasion is great with primus set

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the fabled 55 elite

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No need to invest more

tough portal
#

ok cool

blissful harbor
blissful harbor
#

this is my route

tough portal
#

thx man

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wait so next patch admiral is not end game pvp set?

blissful harbor
#

comes another really expensive one

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~151x5 medals +10kk ap total

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with special pvp star procc buffs

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under AP60 armor buffs

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u can get any of those buffs on any piece, just comes with a certain one when buying

grizzled current
#

like 3 down there and everywhere up the ramp

primal garden
#

so, i just recently found out that weaving whilst moving seems to increase your attack speed

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how known is this

blissful harbor
#

that sounds bs?

primal garden
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i started applying it mid phaistos and kept stealing aggro from people i never managed before

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and the numbers seems to come out faster

blissful harbor
#

define moving?:p

primal garden
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like, moving sideways, it's way it works best for me

blissful harbor
#

smal yukeing

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like pshyco?

primal garden
#

try moving sideways whilst weaving between skills

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try it on a dummy

blissful harbor
#

as long its not side strafe buffπŸ˜‚

primal garden
#

no

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it's just slight tilt movements

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not enough for the movement buffs

blissful harbor
#

oh so smal phsyco strafe pushed with animation?

primal garden
#

prob that ye

blissful harbor
#

sounds more like a tick πŸ˜‚

primal garden
#

idk man

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me stealing aggro whenver i did it

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and how fast the damage was piling up

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i told you, i was stealing aggro once i did that

blissful harbor
#

well i have no idea, gona dumt test dps duration i guess

primal garden
#

it kind of feels like some sort of cancel animation

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because skills seem to come out fast and you're already weaving in that time

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def feels faster than the normal process whilst standing still

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anyone else noticed this?

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from the other sins we have here

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but ye test it eric

ancient gate
#

When you're in combat, moving affects your stats

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While running forward you increase your dmg by 10%
side -> increase dodge, reduce atk by (I don't remember how many)
backward -> increase parry and block but reduce atk by 10% (not sure)

icy dome
blissful harbor
#

but u need to have directional arrow to get corresponding buff x) he talks about micro moving sideways between every atk and he feels he weaves faster or animation cancels

icy dome
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@ancient gate

blissful harbor
ancient gate
#

I wonder if Ricardo was talking about that honestly

primal garden
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nah, no movement buffs

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trying to upload a vid but too big for disc

ancient gate
#

I think I got what you're trying to say

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Sorry if I'm not clear because I don't know spells name in english

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But when I do sigil strike + the spell right after (or is it already the 2nd idk xd)

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I move a bit because I feel like animation is faster

primal garden
#

ye

icy dome
primal garden
#

on attacks that you can do while moving

ancient gate
primal garden
#

slight movement between weaving seems to be faster than standing still

ancient gate
#

I always thought it was a personal preference, it seems faster for me though, never heard anyone saying the same thing so far

primal garden
#

ye i think it comes out faster

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because i started to steal aggro from people in which i wasn't doing before

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in the same instance

ancient gate
#

You can easily tank every dungeon with pvp gear honestly

icy dome
#

For that to happen you'd need to have over 20% higher dps

ancient gate
#

"every" I should've say

icy dome
#

there's no chance that u get that much dmg just from moving

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So its not related

primal garden
icy dome
#

its more likely ur rota is just getting better while the other tank is slacking more

primal garden
icy dome
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Than ur dps getting so much higher that u steal agro

primal garden
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ye but it was same rotation, same strat, same boss

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and again, it wasn't a plate

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so the aggro disparity isn't as much

blissful harbor
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that half movment smal ajusting could be the smal frame needed for perfect aac between abilitys tbh

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i prefer smal movments in some cases , but mostly because of retard ticks from other mmo

primal garden
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ye

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i still can't do it perfectly but it def seems to have an impact when i'm more consistent with it

grizzled current
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its cap

solemn atlas
worldly spear
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Some critical with magic set πŸ™‚

lime badger
neat mulch
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they will give a free 60 ap part ?

blissful harbor
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1.5 pieces if u buy premium

grizzled current
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and same again next pass

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so 3 total

blissful harbor
neat mulch
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juste a little part ?

blissful harbor
grizzled current
empty bronze
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best amor set for sin right now pvp wise?

blissful harbor
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currently available best atk set is admiral but that shit not worth due to next patch( if u havent farmed since start of 3.0)

empty bronze
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thanks mate

tough portal
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guys how can good sins weave wihtout jumping while chasing ? im trying on dummy at 0m distance i get target to far away or just skill registers but no auto?

blissful harbor
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u have auto appoarch on atk? and binded atk on some button?

tough portal
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y on my mouse i have auto atk

blissful harbor
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should not be a problem tbf, stable good enough ping? ~=<50

tough portal
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40-50

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its just auto wont register only if i stop for like 0.5s then auto goes through

blissful harbor
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seems wierd, i had that happend to targets that running and totally decsynced

tough portal
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some ppl say theres a distance bug

blissful harbor
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there is

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but mostly desyncing shit xD

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u have atk on mouse button

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u have it to smash button when u have it pressed?

tough portal
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no iset it to repeart while holding

blissful harbor
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u keep it hold on and use skills?

tough portal
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y

blissful harbor
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there is your prob

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try tap it in between and u see it working

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i still use on repeat while press xD

tough portal
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i see i ll try it out